I have been driving a forester for the last 10 years, when the time comes for me to purchase again I will be going with the ascent. I dont think I would ever buy anything other than a Subaru again. I love them.
I drive an outback, and recently purchased a Honda odyssey. Itll be cool for subaru to have a minivan in the competition vs Chrysler pacifica toyota sienna and honda odyssey
In all fairness, I did not try the Honda Pilot, but I was incredibly impressed with the Ascent (I'm coming from a 2010 Chevy Traverse, which I loved). I hadn't even heard of the Ascent and it wasn't even on my list to test drive. My long time car guy suggested it to me and I really never liked Subaru. Either too small or ugly. Ever. But wow, this completely changed my mind. The turbo gives it some immediate pep, I love the dash and console arrangement, Android Auto and Apple Auto. It drives really nice, feels roomy (I'm 6'3.5") and impressed with the third row even for me, but not for super long road trips for me. I had about 5 other cars on my list to look at, all 2019s (Hyundai Santa Fe, Kia Sorento, Honda CRV, even the Toyota Tundra truck for kicks) I put off driving the Ascent because I just don't like Subarus, but now this is probably the one I will buy! It has a ton of luxury items that come standard, fantastic safety features, large rear camera. This completely changed my mind about Subarus. BTW, this is also larger than all the other cars I mentioned except for the Tundra obviously, but having a third row was important to me and this really works out. Well done, Subaru.
Ascent owner here, do some reading on the Ascent forums and you’ll see a good size sample of low mileage owners (mine included) that require new transmissions. Commenting here as Alex on Auto viewers do their research 👍🏼
I drove both and bought the Honda Pilot EXL, I like the v6 no turbo and the regular 6 speed automatic transmission, I’m getting 28 mpg freeway and 22 mpg combined so far I like my choice.
We chose the Subaru Ascent. The practicality, AWD and room were exactly what we needed. I actually find I like the CVT in the Ascent as the transmission lets the engine sit at peak torque around 2500 RPM and lets the car take off. Great for normal driving around town. And it has exceeded the mpg rating in our mixed driving.
CVT DONT LAST LONG ENOUGH FOR ME. I PERFER MY ENGINES AND TRANSMISSIONS TO LIVE FOR 250K MILES OR GREATER, THERES NO PROVEN CVT THAT CAN OFFER THOSE DEMANDS, ILL STICK TO TOYOTA FOR NOW.
We have owned 2019 Ascent for 6 months and 11000 miles. we could not be happier. we previous owned a 2015 Subaru Outback and a 2010 Honda Odyssey. The power is amazing. The stability in high speed curves is unmatched. Just drove 1800 Miles from Tucson to Indiana in 2 days, 4000 in 3 weeks. Drivers seat most comfortable of anything I have ever driven. Fuel economy great if you keep it under 80. CVT not a concern if you don't tow over 5000 pounds, doesn't feel any different than conventional automatic. Subaru has not had any issues with CVT unlike Nissan.
I recently made a real life decision between these two vehicles and chose the Subaru Ascent Limited with package #23 and tow package. As you have noted, there are some pros and cons with each. I liked the look of the interior on the Ascent with the two toned trim (ivory and black ). I carry a hitch mount bike carrier and like the hidden hitch which was already installed on the Ascent (this was, of course, an accessory but was already on this particular vehicle. My biggest struggle was accepting the 4 cylinder in this relatively large vehicle. So far, this has not been a real problem for me in real life. I was looking at a Touring model Pilot, so I compared the 9 speed to the CVT. If you like the feel and sound of the shift change, then you may prefer the Pilot. However, this was not a big concern to me looking for a crossover SUV. In the end, it came down to overall appearance and novelty of the Ascent. I enjoy having something new and different. Honda Pilots are everywhere (for good reason - they are great vehicles and I owned a 2004 once upon a time). For now, my Blue Abyss Ascent has turned a few heads (not like a Ferrari, but still). I don't think you can go wrong with either. If you are in the market, check them both out and make your own decision.
Happy New Year. We bought a Subaru Ascent 8 passenger Limited Metallic Brown last Black Friday in Southern California and I was so Happy that it had a factory installed trailer hitch (a $499 added option). We drove from Las Vegas to pick it up. The dealer internet sales manager extended me a $3000 below MSRP and added our $500 Subaru Owner Loyalty Rewards certificate. We're in South Korea now eagerly awaiting the arrival of our Subaru Ascent. I imagine we'll be the first to have it here. Congratulations to your Subaru Ascent.
I got my grey subaru limited with package #23 in January..i love it. The only downside not the car itself is Subrau doesn't offer 8 passengers seat in touring trim or I will definitely take it...
With regards to the active safety systems: We recently found out that Heavy snow and slush will disable the sensor on my wife's Accord, which is the same as on the Accord. While it disables the Subaru Eyesight, you can clear it by turning on a defroster. Hopefully Honda develops some sort of defroster to mitigate this
Interesting how the Honda Pilot and Subaru Ascent both seem to have left the Toyota Highlander and Nissan Pathfinder behind. Being able to comfortably sit both your toddlers, adults, and grand parents in all rows. The all important third row is where the Pilot gets the edge. Having the superior handling vehicle with an actual V6 helps as well too. Glad Honda refuses to put a CVT in the Pilot while offering an amazing iVTM4 AWD system.
Subaru was an easy choice for me as I prefer the 2nd row captains chairs. Pilot will only give you that at the high trims, Subaru gives that option to you at one above the base trim. On another note, really wish people wouldn't bash the CVT so much. Everyone's acting like the Ascent is already having CVT problems off the lot. Unless it starts having major problems stop bashing it.
In the Ascent, I like the captain chairs too in the ascent. I like the option to auto brake if it detects something in the rear. I also like the higher ground clearance. I did test drive the pilot and the handling is nice but in all honesty, I will be driving my family around. So handling will not amount to much unless I am by myself and decide go fast.
@@tubemember21 my 18' 3.6 r cvt is like wow...smooth power and it goes. My previous 2.5 cvt...not so much but great on mileage. But I didn't hate it. Just use the paddle shifters for more oomph. I love my cvt subaru.
wurly164 but have you driven the Ascent? I’m not a fan of CVTs by any means and probably will be leaving the Subaru family because of their now devotion to it (we have a WRX and Tribeca) but I have driven the Ascent and found it responsive and the transmission behavior was fine. The 9 speed in the Honda is problematic to say the least. Needless to say both vehicles are bigger than what we want.
I have owned 5 Subaru cars...I drive a 2016 Forester Diesel nowadays. After driving a Pilot for two year as a company car and I can say Pilot is an amazing great SUV. One of the best engines I have driven and the interior quality is better than Subaru. In this segment I take the Pilot.
Why is everyone bashing these vehicles as if one is better than the other? Their both great rides. Do your research, test drive and find what works for you.
I have had both and I’ll take the Subaru any day. The Honda Pilot left me stranded more than enough times, it would brake when there was nothing there, my phone would never connect properly, it has more recalls than I care to list.. I traded it in for the Subaru Ascent and have had zero problems. The 2.4L turbo is quicker than my Pilot ever was, the Apple play works great, the eyesight is spot on. I will never go back to Honda. At one point the dealer had my Honda for almost 2 months and could t figure out how to fix a safety problem. The dealer would t buy the car back and Honda corporate wouldn’t do anything either. We were an all Honda famil - 5 cars. No longer. We all have Subaru or Jeep and have had no problems at all.
There is a pretty substantial difference in ground clearence between the two (8.7 inch Ascent, 7.3 inch pilot). I think ground clearence will be a major factor limiting where you can take these things. The low profile tires on the upper trim levels of the Ascent are not ideal.
I was choosing between these two over the summer and bought a new Pilot Touring. I use the third row daily so access and roominess was key and the Pilot was better on both accounts. As you mentioned in the review, I liked that the Pilot doesn't feel as big while driving. Also the built in DVD player was a better choice than iPads for me. I previously had a Subaru Tribeca that I loved.
Among these options, I would get the Pilot in one of the lower trims, with AWD added in. I personally don't like CVTs, which is the reason why I would rule out the Forester and the Outback too, since they don't have a 6MT or any other option, other than CVT.
I really appreciate how you do your reviews. The consistency between them has been a real help as I look to get a newer vehicle in the coming months. With the decision coming down to a Pilot, Pathfinder or CX9 I'll be watching each of those videos again! Many thanks!
That Pallisade looks very good - it will be an upgrade to either the Pilot or the Ascent because of its features and luxury. Glad Hyundai brought it to the Hyundai lineup rather than the Genesis lineup for which it was originally intended.
The palisade will have crappy resale value and be cheaply made. The Subaru Ascent is the clear choice for at least now and near future. It’s the only real AWD car in the segment.
@@Startingbetterfutures Have you seen the Palisade online? It is definitely not cheaply made. Resale value might be lower than the Ascent, but I would definitely throw it into the mix of vehicles to look at. That 10 yr/100K mile warranty will be an added benefit.. It's looking more and more like Subaru will need to extend the transmission warranty on the Ascent, if they ever figure out what is wrong with it. The AWD system in the Pilot SH-AWD is actually comparable or even superior to the Ascent.
I have road tested both cars and did not like the Pilot. While I liked the interior amenities I felt that the steering wheel was large making it feel like I was driving a large SUV. Perhaps that's why I didn't like the way it drove. The Ascent felt very much like a nice, tight, sedan, handling well on both city roads and the highway. It felt as good as a rental Outback that we drove down the west coast. We did not know about the pro/cons of the Ascent's all wheel drive or safety features.The pilot was deeply discounted, but we chose the Ascent, mainly because I liked the handling and the interior comfort. I hope we made the right choice.
Note the Ascent in this comparo is the Limited with the moonroof, which is under $43k. The Honda is the Elite, which costs over $49k. More than $6000 handicap for the Ascent. The Touring has more content, including extra cameras front and rear.
@@HiveofFive Hey! I saw your snow video on your Ascent a few days ago and I loved it! You should do more snow videos on your Ascent since no other car youtubers have tested it on snow yet
Wife and I went shopping for a 3 row crossover earlier this year. Neither the 2019 Pilot nor the Ascent were available on dealer lots at that point but we did look at the 2018 Pilot. Both the refreshed Pilot and the Ascent look to be strong entries in the category. Overall, if I were still shopping I think I'd go with the Pilot over the Ascent for several reasons. First and foremost, while I'm a fan of 4 cylinder turbo engines, I think a V6, especially one with a proven track record, is a better, more durable, and more reliable choice in this particular category. Second, though I'm not a fanatic about it, I just don't like CVT transmissions and adding paddle shifters simply adds insult to injury. I understand why manufacturers are increasingly relying on CVT's for fuel efficiency and I'll grant that they're improving the annoying behavior of CVT's but saving a single mpg simply doesn't make it worth it, at least for me. All in all, I can see a reasonable argument for either vehicle depending on one's priorities and brand preference. Here in the Pacific Northwest Subarites are a militant group and I'm sure they'll love the Ascent. And for the heavy drinkers 19(!) cupholders may be appealing. :) Having owned several Hondas over the years, I have a considerable confidence in the brand and the updates in the form of torque vectoring are appealing. For our family (2 adults, a 14 y/o daughter, and a big dog) the KIA 2018 Sorento was a near ideal choice. And if we were shopping for a 2019 model I think it would still be the top pick with a more convenient overall size, more efficient allocation of space, a better warranty, and (in the top trim) a more luxurious interior than either the Honda or the Ascent. Others, no doubt, will have other priorities.
For me it boiled down to the Honda Pilot and the Subaru Ascent. I ended up going with the Ascent but sometimes I second guess myself. I had a Honda Element and I loved that car. No real issues and it lasted me 15 years. The Ascent's smooth ride and Subaru's great reputation for handling in the snow pushed me towards the Ascent, plus my wife wanted to go with a Subaru. The one thing that Alex failed to mention about the AWD systems is Subaru always has at least 20% of the power going towards the rear tires. The Pilot might be more capable in some instances but that initial slippage, where it takes the computer a moment to adjust, you at least have some power in the Ascent in place and that might be just enough to avoid a slide where the Honda might be better at correcting it once you are in it. Anyway I think both SUVs are great cars and I'd by happy to own either, as a mostly grocery getter we ended up with an Ascent Premium. A reason to go with the Honda though, if you are less risk averse, is the Ascent is a first year model, and there is always a risk there, where the Honda Pilot is pretty well proven save the 9 speed automatic transmission. If you are an Ascent fan at this point you might want to wait a few more months and get the 2020 model as there might be some bugs worked out. So far I haven't had any real issues with my Ascent though. Lastly on my invoice is said 50% of the parts of the Ascent were made in the USA, but not the drive train. Honda even though an Asian brand also builds and assembles a lot of their components here in the USA so I bet that over 50% of the Pilot is made in the USA, though I'd double check. Just pointing that out. Overall I think Alex's comparison of both great vehicles was very fair.
Had a 2013 Pilot Touring. Loved it. Traded in for a 2016 Pilot Touring. HATED IT. Just traded in on Saturday for the 2020 Ascent Limited. Had to give Subaru a shot.
I wanted to thank you for this video and others you made. I was able to see the Ascent for the first time. I am a die hard Subaru fan. I was so excited for the Ascent to come out. But with a family of four and two requiring car seats the vehicles out there were slim. Here are the requirements handed down by my wife. 1. Must not be a mini van 2. Must have AWD 3. Must have 8 passengers 4. Must have the capability of two car seats sitting side by side while being able to access the rear seats traditionally and not through the hatch. Also wanted to add the Britax was the only “safest” and “slimmest” car seat available although pricey it was well worth it. So in 2013 ran with and came up with the Honda Pilot, and Dodge Durango. As you could imagine dealerships weren’t keen to having an infant, toddler and two 7 year olds running around. Let alone trying out our numerous car seats. We ended going with the Durango. Seemed to be the right choice for value, styling and her requirements. After leasing Durango twice now the Ascent was making its debut in 2018 right in line with our trade in. But Subaru at this time had no test models and she wasn’t going to just jump into it without seeing it. Considering it was much different that the Durango. But in the end we went with the 2018 Durango GT with Black Top trim. Sharp looking vehicle but for me not the Subaru. Edit: Also VW Atlas was a possibility in 2018
hi! so i’m wondering if you ever ended up getting the ascent and also how has your experience with the durango? i have a family of 5, 2 of which use car seats, i was looking into the durango but i’m worried i’d end up paying more money for the hauling capacity and the “all american muscle” exterior since the interior looks kinda bland- this subaru is an option and with the 2021 model coming out i’m sure some flaws have been fixed by now
2019 Pilot EX here. Haven’t driven the Subaru but I can say that Pilot AWD is amazing on the snow with its traction control. Also, the radar is very important because there are many times in the snow that lane keep and road departure mitigation can’t work because the camera gets snow over it but the adaptive cruise control does.
Very nice Head to Head Review of the family haulers. I have the Subaru Ascent Limited on Order for delivery in January. I never really considered the Honda Pilot. My comparable’s were The Ford Explorer, Chevy Traverse and the Mazda CX-9. I think the Subaru gives me the best value of all of them with AWD being standard in all trims. An absolute must have for cold weather states. Too many people just see “CVT” and 4 cylinder and instantly jump to the conclusion that it’s underpowered and unreliable. I think this is the way more gasoline powered vehicles will be moving in the future.
Haven't driven the Ascent so can't really comment on which is better (my limited experience with Subaru makes me think it should also be a great choice), but as a recent Pilot buyer (EX-L AWD) I can say that it is a solid choice. The only things I've found to criticize so far are 1) the seats, which aren't as comfortable on long rides as my '13 Altima, 2) the ride is actually a little stiffer than I was expecting (again, as compared to my Altima), and 3) the computer-calculated MPG is way off. On the third point; I know most vehicle's computers will over-estimate the MPG, but in the first chance I had to do a real MPG calculation I found the real MPG was about 3.5 less than what the computer was telling me. On the plus side, the real MPG was very close to the EPA estimate - my actual was around 20.4 in mixed driving - but the computer was showing 23.9 as the average. On the plus side, the stiffer suspension makes for a better handling vehicle than I was expecting, the third row is actually big enough for an adult, and the seats fold to make a nice flat cargo area if you need to haul large objects. The selling points for me were the third row (which I will use) and the AWD system (which I also will use), which in all reviews seems to be one the best of the crossover SUVs. I do have a couple of gripes with the review here too - I personally don't see that a 1-2 MPG difference makes the Subaru the "clear winner" in that department. When you are talking about cars that are in the low 20s in MPG, I don't see that as a big difference. Also, the thing with getting into the third row with a child seat in place - as far as I'm concerned, there is no difference between the two there; both make it (virtually) impossible to do so. I would much rather know how much, if any, difference there is getting to the third row with no child seat in place.
If only given the choice between the two, I would select the Honda primarily because I've seen the long term effect of running a small displacement turbocharged engine in a large, heavy vehicle. That little 4 banger has to work significantly harder to accomplish its job than the v6. Then throw in a truly awful CVT which when it fails (not IF) will have to be completely replaced because the things are nearly impossible to repair. I honestly believe that is why most Subarus are underpowered- to increase the lifespan of their brittle CVTs. As for Subaru EyeSight; it gets defeated by weather far too easily. Alex says run the defogger, but what about the muddy slush that splatters the windscreen and is not removed by the wipers because they don't actually hit where the cameras are?
The wipers do clear the eyesight cameras. I recently tested a 2019 RDX. There was a little bit of snow on the radar sensor, not enough to cover even half of it, and not even a thick layer. The driver assist systems were disabled because of that little bit of snow.
Seriously, I sadly accept this. So is there a way to inspect the CVT and know when it is time to replace it, and do so before losing all power on a busy highway? I didn't enjoy having my Odyssey transmission completely fail in the middle of the road, and don't really want a repeat of this experience.
i am really Glad that we bought Honda pilot AWD. driving this pilot almost six month, Really a great vehicle. New AWD system works also great. i don't have any idea about the previous pilot but this one is perfect for me. I Love my Pilot.
Nice video concept. I enjoyed seeing both vehicles side-by-side while hearing your thoughts on the strengths and weaknesses of each. I like both cars. If I were in the market I would probably go with the Honda. I neither spend a lot of time off-road nor do I anticipate needing to test the limits of the vehicles AWD systems. I do, however, spend a lot of time on pavement and I figure that the torque vectoring of the Honda and its more engaging feel (plus the Honda's historical reliability) would have me leaning toward the Pilot. But, in the long run, I think I would be happy with either crossover.
Subarus awd, fuel economy and more luxurious(smoother) driving characteristics win it for me. Some people have to get to work no matter what and dont want to spend it on a rougher ride. I love my legacy and would love another subaru but I am not a fan that they scrapped the naturally aspirated and manual combos. They were extremely reliable. However I do have a 3.6r legacy with a 5 speed and I have never had a single problem. I think they get bad raps cause people dont take care of them right.
If you want an Ascent, lemme advise you to get a Limited or above purely for the sake of the driver lumbar support. Lower trims are uncomfortable, but those are great.
I'm torn between the two. I've had two Pilots, and love them, ultra-reliability. My wife has a Forester, I like the way it handles. My big sticking point is the reliability of a turbo-4 in the Subie. That's a small engine pushing around a big vehicle and I have to think a turbo that fails is pricey to repair. I may wait a couple model years .
Both are great vehicles. However, the fold down arm rests on the driver and passenger seats of the Pilot are a none starters; they look and feel cheap. The large centre storage area and centre arm rest on the Subaru is very practical and much, much more comfortable.
Glad to see a video that doesn't become a fan boy over the new Subaru Ascent. I prefer critical videos that give their honest opinion on both vehicles. Great review On a personal note, we own both a Honda Accord and a Subaru Tribeca. I like both companies and would buy from either. I love my Tribeca and my wife wife loves her Accord. My Tribeca is nearing the end of its life but for an 11 year old vehicle it is still running great. The Ascent and the Pilot are top on my list to replace it. I am still not sure which will replace it. Both vehicles have things I like and dislike. In the end it might just come down to how comfortable I feel in the car. I think it's pointless to be a blind fan of any company.
Subaru any day. I have a 2015 Forrester with CVT and love it. Awesome AWD system. Great gas mileage. Honda does have great vehicles, so not knocking them Just prefer Subaru
Just purchased a 2021 Ascent. If we didn’t do off-roading, I think Pilot would have a chance of being our third row of choice. It’s definitely good competition.... but we are loving our 2021 Ascent Touring!
First of, I like your review on these vehicle. What is interesting is that you concluded that the Pilot have a better AWD system than the Ascent. It would be nice if you could show us how they are compare in real world because some of us is curious to see how the SH-AWD take on X-Mode system? I know that in some condition the Pilot more power to outside wheels helps it corner better, but Ascent torque vectoring is somewhat like vehicle dynamic control but putting power that have grip instead of just brakes is (I think) better on slippery surface.
I personally would buy the Subaru Ascent. Like you said, the Ascent gets better fuel economy, and more cargo space. I still won't deny that the Honda Pilot is a good car, though. The Pilot does have cool features like the cargo floor that can be flipped over, and have a plastic surface which is easier to clean than fabric.
Ive had a pilot since 2013 and love it. I have 5 kids and try to decide if er should go with ascent (i love the design and features) or the very reliable awesome to drive pilot again. I think Pilot it is. Its truly a pleasure to drive. I have the basic with added AWD.
Great review, Alex. One suggestion, when comparing safety systems (5:45), try showing a table of features (rows) with a column for each car model and series of check boxes and blank spaces to distinguish which model includes which feature. It would be more clear as a comparison and require less screen real estate.
Thank you for a very comprehensive and informative comparison. We are happy Pilot owners looking for a newer SUV. Was pretty sold on the Ascent before your video. Hmm? Now we're looking at the Pilot again. Our old model has awesome rear air conditioning. This is a big plus as we haul show dogs in hot Southern California climate. We've noticed the AC in the Pilot blows the competition way in both the front and the separately controlled rear zone. Separate rear zone controls are important. Would like to see some climate control comparison. Perhaps not just AC but heat and seat control as well. My new Ford has heated and cooled seats. Love em. Keep up the good work. Your reviews are helpful, thank you
substring zero Honda pilots awd can send power side to side in the rear without brakes. Something Subaru can’t do. Subaru went the cheap rout and used brake torque vectoring which is way slower to react
mountainhobo the current pilot awd is better than the Subaru system. Subaru used the budget method of brake vectoring in the rear wheels instead of actually have a differential that can send power left and right. The brake vectoring is way slower to respond.
I test drove the Pilot, Elite, with the 9 speed. In stop and go traffic it was rough shifting, but overall torque and handling was good. Honda offers full LED headlights, the Subaru did not for 2019. What surprised me the most was the lack of leg/foot room on the drivers side with the Pilot. That was the reason why the Subaru was the clear choice for my purchase, comfort. Too many negative reviews on the Honda 9 speed, which is sad because of their reputation for quality.
I owned both brand. Ascent was I was waiting for replacement for Tribeca. I like the look of the Ascent, AWD system in snow, wider opening at the rear door open; cargo volume and fuel efficiency for AWD but I'm not a fun of TURBO LAG. With Honda reliability and linear power distribution - This time I'm leaning towards the Pilot. Time will tell when I'm ready to part with my current folks hauler.
i HAVE A SUBARU OUTBACK. I love it; if I required additional Seating , I'd go with the Ascent, The Subaru is an Off Road car and also can be switched to Manual Shift , using paddle controls vice shift levers, recommended practice to get use to the paddle system. Honda is a great Car - had one for 9 years, but the Subaru handles better, more comfortable, and fantastic Gas Mileage, particularly on the open road.
i disagree about the Honda AWD being a better system. the honda system is still a reactive system where it will be FWD the majority of the time. just watch the recent TFLC roller slip tests. The pilot spins the front wheels way more before it can transfer power to the rear. I know they used an outback, but all new subaru's with xmode are the same. the wheel spin of the outback is minimal compared to the pilot. also you will notice in the roller tests, the torque steer of the pilot, because of the unequal front axles. although the new subaru's lack the rear limited diff compared to the older subaru's, the symmetrical awd layout is still there, so naturally it's going to put down power more evenly to all 4 wheels compared to the competition.
Im own a 16’ Pilot trust me beautiful truck and fast but i fell in love with the ascent just because the safety many good tech and the chassis one of the best , sym.AWD and captain chair
Having owned both, the Ascent is the clear choice. The handling you espouse with the Honda was not good in mine. Paired with a substandard gas consumption ratio and the higher cost in fuel over time, the Ascent wins again. The Honda is a many years established vehicle, and if the Ascent is toe-to-toe with it, it says a lot about what Honda is and isn't doing. Love my Hondas...love the Ascent even more.
Bought a Subaru Ascent Touring recently and even though not perfect, it is an incredible value as you can get them in some cases even under invoice. I personally didn't like the idea of a push button shifter on the Pilot and thought the short front end sometimes made it look a little like a mini-van front end. Nothing wrong with either vehicle but coming from a luxury sports sedan, I was realistic when it came to the way a SUV would handle.
In principle I have nothing wrong with these vehicles being based on cars / mini-vans. The percentage of time these types of vehicles will be performing pickup truck type duties is minimal. There are trade offs any way you decide to go and no vehicle is perfect, so its just a matter of personal preference. My comment regarding the mini-van front end was purely from a style perspective, but the Odyssey is a very good mini-van.
Subaru was a clear winner for my family. We bought the ascent Touring. My wife could care less about driving dynamic or sporty feel. It's all about comfort, practicality and fuel economy. And, objectively, the pilot is hideous. The ascent limited and touring looks much nicer, IMO. We love the ascent! The CVT was odd at first but you seriously don't notice it, especially on long hauls where this vehicle shines
Felt power will be better with a turbo in higher elevation, which is why I like the turbo over a V6, but both seem like good options. Overall, I'm very happy with mmt Ascent
Alex, the work you do is extraordinary. I'm a fan. I want to provide my feedback and comments. I admire both brands. Had Hondas in the past. Have a Crosstrek today. Both brands have my respect. However, in my 6 cil Accord I had some serious problems with the VCM. The reliability I was looking for was not there. It was very disappointing for two reasons: (1) I could feel the vibrations pattern changing when the engine moved from 6 to 4 and then to 3 cylinders. That was annoying but I guess tolerable (I mean, barely. I got a 6 cylinder, was looking for the smooth 6 cylinder ride and there I was, on the highway, with a 3 cylinders Accord. So yes, *barely* tolerable). Anyway, the real problem came when (2) the reliability started to suffer due to VCM, and then the class action suit, high oil consumption, plug and valve fouling, shudder and vibration. It was very disappointing. I understand the current 6 cil Hondas still use VCM and I question their ability to go 150k miles (even 100k miles maybe) without major pains. Now, if you're the type of person that trades your car every 3, 4 or 5 years then you're probably fine. Or if you're willing to use devices like VCM Muzzler (to kill the VCM) you're probably also ok. So based just on that I would chose the Subaru - knowing perfectly well that we still don't know if that 2.4 Turbo can go the distance. Too early to tell. At the end of the day, I guess, give me a 6 cil Toyota with a modern media system, Car play and Android Auto, and I'm done. Or add a button to the Honda to defeat VCM the same way we can kill idle start-stop. That would also work. I hope that this makes sense. Congrats again. Your work sets the bar for everyone else on RUclips.
Alex, please include the VW Atlas in all your stats. I know it is a low volume selling vehicle but I have found mine to be the best overall large 3 row crossover available in North America. I am 6'6" tall and is the only car or truck I have been in where I need to move the driver seat forward a bit in order to reach everything comfortably.
Same here. Not totally fair because our Subaru was a 1988 Turbo 4 wagon, but it was the biggest lemon we've ever owned. My Acura TSX was excellent. I'd prefer the Toyota Highlander most of all but the third row seats are just too small and we need to actually use it.
We had a Pilot Elite with the 9sp and it was junk. Traded it in after 5 months. The transmission was all over the place, the lane keep assist made it nearly impossible to drive cause it was so sensitive, and don't even get me started on the auto start stop.
He forgot to mention that the Ascent has better curb appeal and handling because of the low center of gravity of the engine. I test drove both through a slalom course and the Pilot had so much body lean compared to the Ascent. No other cars can beat Subaru safety and AWD system.
SHAWD!! is amazing. I had it in my Acura RL, 2018 Ridgeline and now in my 2019 Pilot. Fantastic on Canadian winter roads. Never liked CVTs or turbo lag and reliability.
I bought a 2017 Hyundai Santa Fe, but ended up trading it in just a little after a year and a half because of horrible Dealership and customer service from Hyundai. Brought it in for the same problem 9 times in two months. Had to pay for rotors, heat shields, etc. they would never look at powertrain problems and would not reimburse me. So I checked out the Pilot and Ascent. I chose the Ascent because it had a grander interior, and my knees were not shoved into my chest in the Ascent third row, unlike the Pilot. My bro fits in the third row just fine and he’s 5’7-8
Thanks for another great review, Alex. Killer for the Pilot for us was the driver’s seatbelt is inexplicably 12 inches shorter than the passengers’ (and than any other Honda). This is a known issue (not just the one we test drove), but made for an uncomfortable experience (and lost Honda a sale; more than one, from what I have read).
Exactly. These reviews are pretty much short term gratification videos and do not delve into the more complicated comparison of reliability and maintenance as well as the horror stories that accompany ownership of some cars. Buyers should also view mechanics videos such as Scotty Kilmer, after which the choice between vehicles such as these become no-brainers.
With my experience owning both a Honda Pilot and a Subaru Outback, I would run from the Honda as fast as I could get into the Subaru and get out of town. Our 2015 Outback 3.6R with CVT is a dream, while our Pilot's Automatic transmission has been a nightmare, and P.S. Honda has a reputation for defective, unreliable transmissions for decades. The Pilot's transmission 's torque converter is the problem, but the real problem is Honda's egregious disregard and avoidance policy. If you bring your car in to be diagnosed and they can't find or determine the problem, and you follow up with subsequent appointments that don't result in a final determination, Honda strikes (erases) the service history after one year. Are you kidding me? After buying 3 cars from Apple Honda, Riverhead, NY, that was it for me. For many years Honda was the underdog and had good or better products than the competition, but now in my opinion, you can't do any better than Subaru. I certainly hope that Subaru doesn't follow Honda down the hill.
I'd take the Subaru. Better AWD system. Better headlight visibility at night. Better interior material quality. Better and more comfortable seats. Better at absorbing road imperfections. Better looks, the Pilot's fat and bulging profile isn't more me. Better safety system. Overall, the Ascent interior is more upscale and more comfortable to ride in.
Excellent video. Just what I need since I'm right now looking at a Pilot. I would like you to do a video about CVT's. I'm also looking at the CV-R. I'm really nervous about CVT's. I keep my cars for a long time. My current CV-R has 112,000 miles on it. Supposedly, CVT's start having serious and expensive problems as they age. So right now I would avoid the Honda CV-R and the Suburu Ascent. Your comments about the 8-speed transmission in the higher end Pilots are also troubling. My cars have always so very long because I focus on cars with very reliable engines and transmissions. Anyway, many thanks. I will be watching a lot more of your videos.
I own a 2016 Legacy 2.5i Limited that I'm not thrilled with but it's a decent car that gives me extra traction for those few days that I need it. My wife and I looked at an Ascent for her and she had problems seeing over the dash of the Ascent (she's barely 5' 2"). I don't know why because I thought the Pilot had a higher dash and hood. She thought it was a nice car but she chose the Pilot EX-L. Whenever I get to trade in my current Legacy, I'm likely going to get an Ascent Limited with the big sunroof. Those are nice.
Very comprehensive review, thank you. I want to like the Ascent. But I know I'm going to end up test driving that new Ford Explorer. It might have just a little more of what a family of 5 and 2 dogs needs.
Honda all the way, I like the look of the pilot when compared to all 3 rows out on the market. I like my suv with a beefy look and known for their reliability
I didn't catch details about third row seat head and leg room. The pilot has the best third row seats I found. With complex drive lines comes reliability issues and expensive maintenance that more than offset any real mpg gains.
I haven't seen the new 2019 Pilot in person but one reason (of many) I got an Ascent over a 2018 is because the 3rd row in the Pilot was almost at floor level. The Ascent 3rd row is better for bigger kids
just checked out both Ascent and Pilot with my kids who are 12 and 8 since they will be the ones going to the third row when needed. Both complained that the seats in the pilot were too low to the ground and my daughter who has long legs did not feel comfortable and it was easier to get to the third row. In this category the Ascent was the clear winner!
Highlander would be my choice. Waiting to see what the next gen highlander will bring to the table current one is long in the tooth but has aged nicely. The new Toyota have been killing it
I thought the Ascent handled better than the Pilot buy I drove a 18 pilot and it felt floaty at speed. The Ascent was better planted. Also, as far as safety Subaru beats them all especially with the new SGP structure and it does not look like a minivan like the Pilot
I have been driving a forester for the last 10 years, when the time comes for me to purchase again I will be going with the ascent. I dont think I would ever buy anything other than a Subaru again. I love them.
damn straight!
A Subaru drivers next car is 99% subaru. Once I tried my roommates 94 outback... always have a subaru in my garage. Impreza, outback, now ascent.
What kind of trucks do you like?
Correct me if I am wrong but having the boxer engine gives the Ascent better handling right??
I drive an outback, and recently purchased a Honda odyssey. Itll be cool for subaru to have a minivan in the competition vs Chrysler pacifica toyota sienna and honda odyssey
In all fairness, I did not try the Honda Pilot, but I was incredibly impressed with the Ascent (I'm coming from a 2010 Chevy Traverse, which I loved). I hadn't even heard of the Ascent and it wasn't even on my list to test drive. My long time car guy suggested it to me and I really never liked Subaru. Either too small or ugly. Ever. But wow, this completely changed my mind. The turbo gives it some immediate pep, I love the dash and console arrangement, Android Auto and Apple Auto. It drives really nice, feels roomy (I'm 6'3.5") and impressed with the third row even for me, but not for super long road trips for me. I had about 5 other cars on my list to look at, all 2019s (Hyundai Santa Fe, Kia Sorento, Honda CRV, even the Toyota Tundra truck for kicks) I put off driving the Ascent because I just don't like Subarus, but now this is probably the one I will buy! It has a ton of luxury items that come standard, fantastic safety features, large rear camera. This completely changed my mind about Subarus. BTW, this is also larger than all the other cars I mentioned except for the Tundra obviously, but having a third row was important to me and this really works out. Well done, Subaru.
Ascent owner here, do some reading on the Ascent forums and you’ll see a good size sample of low mileage owners (mine included) that require new transmissions. Commenting here as Alex on Auto viewers do their research 👍🏼
Don't forget valve springs and head gaskets
I drove both and bought the Honda Pilot EXL, I like the v6 no turbo and the regular 6 speed automatic transmission, I’m getting 28 mpg freeway and 22 mpg combined so far I like my choice.
We chose the Subaru Ascent. The practicality, AWD and room were exactly what we needed. I actually find I like the CVT in the Ascent as the transmission lets the engine sit at peak torque around 2500 RPM and lets the car take off. Great for normal driving around town. And it has exceeded the mpg rating in our mixed driving.
CVT DONT LAST LONG ENOUGH FOR ME.
I PERFER MY ENGINES AND TRANSMISSIONS TO LIVE FOR 250K MILES OR GREATER,
THERES NO PROVEN CVT THAT CAN OFFER THOSE DEMANDS,
ILL STICK TO TOYOTA FOR NOW.
We have owned 2019 Ascent for 6 months and 11000 miles. we could not be happier. we previous owned a 2015 Subaru Outback and a 2010 Honda Odyssey. The power is amazing. The stability in high speed curves is unmatched. Just drove 1800 Miles from Tucson to Indiana in 2 days, 4000 in 3 weeks. Drivers seat most comfortable of anything I have ever driven. Fuel economy great if you keep it under 80. CVT not a concern if you don't tow over 5000 pounds, doesn't feel any different than conventional automatic. Subaru has not had any issues with CVT unlike Nissan.
Not true. Subaru ascents are already have issues
I recently made a real life decision between these two vehicles and chose the Subaru Ascent Limited with package #23 and tow package. As you have noted, there are some pros and cons with each. I liked the look of the interior on the Ascent with the two toned trim (ivory and black ). I carry a hitch mount bike carrier and like the hidden hitch which was already installed on the Ascent (this was, of course, an accessory but was already on this particular vehicle. My biggest struggle was accepting the 4 cylinder in this relatively large vehicle. So far, this has not been a real problem for me in real life. I was looking at a Touring model Pilot, so I compared the 9 speed to the CVT. If you like the feel and sound of the shift change, then you may prefer the Pilot. However, this was not a big concern to me looking for a crossover SUV. In the end, it came down to overall appearance and novelty of the Ascent. I enjoy having something new and different. Honda Pilots are everywhere (for good reason - they are great vehicles and I owned a 2004 once upon a time). For now, my Blue Abyss Ascent has turned a few heads (not like a Ferrari, but still). I don't think you can go wrong with either. If you are in the market, check them both out and make your own decision.
We also have a Blue Ascent Limited. Congrats on yours!
Happy New Year. We bought a Subaru Ascent 8 passenger Limited Metallic Brown last Black Friday in Southern California and I was so Happy that it had a factory installed trailer hitch (a $499 added option). We drove from Las Vegas to pick it up. The dealer internet sales manager extended me a $3000 below MSRP and added our $500 Subaru Owner Loyalty Rewards certificate. We're in South Korea now eagerly awaiting the arrival of our Subaru Ascent. I imagine we'll be the first to have it here. Congratulations to your Subaru Ascent.
Russell Delaney Congrats on the buy! Hope it will treat you and your family well!
Was there with you. Our ascent is just hitting 5000k. We like it a lot.
I got my grey subaru limited with package #23 in January..i love it. The only downside not the car itself is Subrau doesn't offer 8 passengers seat in touring trim or I will definitely take it...
With regards to the active safety systems: We recently found out that Heavy snow and slush will disable the sensor on my wife's Accord, which is the same as on the Accord. While it disables the Subaru Eyesight, you can clear it by turning on a defroster. Hopefully Honda develops some sort of defroster to mitigate this
I have had the Honda radar sensor disabled by heavy rainfall also.
Interesting how the Honda Pilot and Subaru Ascent both seem to have left the Toyota Highlander and Nissan Pathfinder behind. Being able to comfortably sit both your toddlers, adults, and grand parents in all rows. The all important third row is where the Pilot gets the edge. Having the superior handling vehicle with an actual V6 helps as well too. Glad Honda refuses to put a CVT in the Pilot while offering an amazing iVTM4 AWD system.
Subaru was an easy choice for me as I prefer the 2nd row captains chairs. Pilot will only give you that at the high trims, Subaru gives that option to you at one above the base trim.
On another note, really wish people wouldn't bash the CVT so much. Everyone's acting like the Ascent is already having CVT problems off the lot. Unless it starts having major problems stop bashing it.
In the Ascent, I like the captain chairs too in the ascent. I like the option to auto brake if it detects something in the rear. I also like the higher ground clearance. I did test drive the pilot and the handling is nice but in all honesty, I will be driving my family around. So handling will not amount to much unless I am by myself and decide go fast.
@Ski Bum I'm referring to the rest of the Scotty Kilmer fanbase who believes CVTs are worse than cancer.
I have driven a Subaru with a cvt and I don’t like it at all. At times it struggles to accelerate and other times it’s fine.
@@tubemember21 my 18' 3.6 r cvt is like wow...smooth power and it goes. My previous 2.5 cvt...not so much but great on mileage. But I didn't hate it. Just use the paddle shifters for more oomph. I love my cvt subaru.
wurly164 but have you driven the Ascent? I’m not a fan of CVTs by any means and probably will be leaving the Subaru family because of their now devotion to it (we have a WRX and Tribeca) but I have driven the Ascent and found it responsive and the transmission behavior was fine. The 9 speed in the Honda is problematic to say the least. Needless to say both vehicles are bigger than what we want.
I have owned 5 Subaru cars...I drive a 2016 Forester Diesel nowadays. After driving a Pilot for two year as a company car and I can say Pilot is an amazing great SUV. One of the best engines I have driven and the interior quality is better than Subaru. In this segment I take the Pilot.
I went for the pilot 2019 and no regrets
After driving both myself, I went with the 2019 Pilot AWD touring. The features and AWD systems did it for me.
Why is everyone bashing these vehicles as if one is better than the other? Their both great rides. Do your research, test drive and find what works for you.
I have had both and I’ll take the Subaru any day. The Honda Pilot left me stranded more than enough times, it would brake when there was nothing there, my phone would never connect properly, it has more recalls than I care to list.. I traded it in for the Subaru Ascent and have had zero problems. The 2.4L turbo is quicker than my Pilot ever was, the Apple play works great, the eyesight is spot on. I will never go back to Honda. At one point the dealer had my Honda for almost 2 months and could t figure out how to fix a safety problem. The dealer would t buy the car back and Honda corporate wouldn’t do anything either. We were an all Honda famil - 5 cars. No longer. We all have Subaru or Jeep and have had no problems at all.
Feel like a naturally-aspirated V6 and a traditional transmission so Honda for me
There is a pretty substantial difference in ground clearence between the two (8.7 inch Ascent, 7.3 inch pilot). I think ground clearence will be a major factor limiting where you can take these things. The low profile tires on the upper trim levels of the Ascent are not ideal.
I was choosing between these two over the summer and bought a new Pilot Touring. I use the third row daily so access and roominess was key and the Pilot was better on both accounts. As you mentioned in the review, I liked that the Pilot doesn't feel as big while driving. Also the built in DVD player was a better choice than iPads for me. I previously had a Subaru Tribeca that I loved.
Gonna trade in my 2016 Tucson for the Subaru!
Among these options, I would get the Pilot in one of the lower trims, with AWD added in. I personally don't like CVTs, which is the reason why I would rule out the Forester and the Outback too, since they don't have a 6MT or any other option, other than CVT.
I bought a Honda Pilot and I love the performance and reliability. I can’t say anything bad with Honda . Thank you Alex for your video
I really appreciate how you do your reviews. The consistency between them has been a real help as I look to get a newer vehicle in the coming months. With the decision coming down to a Pilot, Pathfinder or CX9 I'll be watching each of those videos again! Many thanks!
what car did you go with?
Also, as both Honda and Subaru fanboys, I prefer the Pilot
I can't wait until you throw the new Palisade into this mix some time next year. I eagerly look forward to it.
Competition improves the breed! Bring it on!
And the Kia Telluride
That Pallisade looks very good - it will be an upgrade to either the Pilot or the Ascent because of its features and luxury. Glad Hyundai brought it to the Hyundai lineup rather than the Genesis lineup for which it was originally intended.
The palisade will have crappy resale value and be cheaply made. The Subaru Ascent is the clear choice for at least now and near future. It’s the only real AWD car in the segment.
@@Startingbetterfutures Have you seen the Palisade online? It is definitely not cheaply made. Resale value might be lower than the Ascent, but I would definitely throw it into the mix of vehicles to look at. That 10 yr/100K mile warranty will be an added benefit.. It's looking more and more like Subaru will need to extend the transmission warranty on the Ascent, if they ever figure out what is wrong with it. The AWD system in the Pilot SH-AWD is actually comparable or even superior to the Ascent.
My friend just bought a 2019 Honda Pilot and I just bought a 2021 Subaru Ascent. We both love them for different reasons.
I have road tested both cars and did not like the Pilot. While I liked the interior amenities I felt that the steering wheel was large making it feel like I was driving a large SUV. Perhaps that's why I didn't like the way it drove. The Ascent felt very much like a nice, tight, sedan, handling well on both city roads and the highway. It felt as good as a rental Outback that we drove down the west coast. We did not know about the pro/cons of the Ascent's all wheel drive or safety features.The pilot was deeply discounted, but we chose the Ascent, mainly because I liked the handling and the interior comfort. I hope we made the right choice.
Note the Ascent in this comparo is the Limited with the moonroof, which is under $43k. The Honda is the Elite, which costs over $49k. More than $6000 handicap for the Ascent. The Touring has more content, including extra cameras front and rear.
Both are great choices, but i'd go with the Ascent.
Same
and if the Incredibles were real they would too and 1 reason is because he said incredible when he was talking about the Ascent
Ski Bum Subarus are typically very reliable but i’m still not sure about the new Ascent since it’s a first year new vehicle with a new engine.
We're glad we went with the Ascent!
@@HiveofFive Hey! I saw your snow video on your Ascent a few days ago and I loved it! You should do more snow videos on your Ascent since no other car youtubers have tested it on snow yet
Wife and I went shopping for a 3 row crossover earlier this year. Neither the 2019 Pilot nor the Ascent were available on dealer lots at that point but we did look at the 2018 Pilot. Both the refreshed Pilot and the Ascent look to be strong entries in the category. Overall, if I were still shopping I think I'd go with the Pilot over the Ascent for several reasons. First and foremost, while I'm a fan of 4 cylinder turbo engines, I think a V6, especially one with a proven track record, is a better, more durable, and more reliable choice in this particular category. Second, though I'm not a fanatic about it, I just don't like CVT transmissions and adding paddle shifters simply adds insult to injury. I understand why manufacturers are increasingly relying on CVT's for fuel efficiency and I'll grant that they're improving the annoying behavior of CVT's but saving a single mpg simply doesn't make it worth it, at least for me.
All in all, I can see a reasonable argument for either vehicle depending on one's priorities and brand preference. Here in the Pacific Northwest Subarites are a militant group and I'm sure they'll love the Ascent. And for the heavy drinkers 19(!) cupholders may be appealing. :) Having owned several Hondas over the years, I have a considerable confidence in the brand and the updates in the form of torque vectoring are appealing.
For our family (2 adults, a 14 y/o daughter, and a big dog) the KIA 2018 Sorento was a near ideal choice. And if we were shopping for a 2019 model I think it would still be the top pick with a more convenient overall size, more efficient allocation of space, a better warranty, and (in the top trim) a more luxurious interior than either the Honda or the Ascent. Others, no doubt, will have other priorities.
Looked at most cars in the segment, we went with the Pilot
good choice.
The boxer engine is legendary, give me the Subaru.
For me it boiled down to the Honda Pilot and the Subaru Ascent. I ended up going with the Ascent but sometimes I second guess myself. I had a Honda Element and I loved that car. No real issues and it lasted me 15 years. The Ascent's smooth ride and Subaru's great reputation for handling in the snow pushed me towards the Ascent, plus my wife wanted to go with a Subaru. The one thing that Alex failed to mention about the AWD systems is Subaru always has at least 20% of the power going towards the rear tires. The Pilot might be more capable in some instances but that initial slippage, where it takes the computer a moment to adjust, you at least have some power in the Ascent in place and that might be just enough to avoid a slide where the Honda might be better at correcting it once you are in it. Anyway I think both SUVs are great cars and I'd by happy to own either, as a mostly grocery getter we ended up with an Ascent Premium. A reason to go with the Honda though, if you are less risk averse, is the Ascent is a first year model, and there is always a risk there, where the Honda Pilot is pretty well proven save the 9 speed automatic transmission. If you are an Ascent fan at this point you might want to wait a few more months and get the 2020 model as there might be some bugs worked out. So far I haven't had any real issues with my Ascent though. Lastly on my invoice is said 50% of the parts of the Ascent were made in the USA, but not the drive train. Honda even though an Asian brand also builds and assembles a lot of their components here in the USA so I bet that over 50% of the Pilot is made in the USA, though I'd double check. Just pointing that out. Overall I think Alex's comparison of both great vehicles was very fair.
Had a 2013 Pilot Touring. Loved it. Traded in for a 2016 Pilot Touring. HATED IT. Just traded in on Saturday for the 2020 Ascent Limited. Had to give Subaru a shot.
I wanted to thank you for this video and others you made. I was able to see the Ascent for the first time. I am a die hard Subaru fan. I was so excited for the Ascent to come out. But with a family of four and two requiring car seats the vehicles out there were slim. Here are the requirements handed down by my wife.
1. Must not be a mini van
2. Must have AWD
3. Must have 8 passengers
4. Must have the capability of two car seats sitting side by side while being able to access the rear seats traditionally and not through the hatch. Also wanted to add the Britax was the only “safest” and “slimmest” car seat available although pricey it was well worth it.
So in 2013 ran with and came up with the Honda Pilot, and Dodge Durango. As you could imagine dealerships weren’t keen to having an infant, toddler and two 7 year olds running around. Let alone trying out our numerous car seats. We ended going with the Durango. Seemed to be the right choice for value, styling and her requirements. After leasing Durango twice now the Ascent was making its debut in 2018 right in line with our trade in. But Subaru at this time had no test models and she wasn’t going to just jump into it without seeing it. Considering it was much different that the Durango. But in the end we went with the 2018 Durango GT with Black Top trim. Sharp looking vehicle but for me not the Subaru.
Edit: Also VW Atlas was a possibility in 2018
hi! so i’m wondering if you ever ended up getting the ascent and also how has your experience with the durango? i have a family of 5, 2 of which use car seats, i was looking into the durango but i’m worried i’d end up paying more money for the hauling capacity and the “all american muscle” exterior since the interior looks kinda bland- this subaru is an option and with the 2021 model coming out i’m sure some flaws have been fixed by now
I wonder if they ever made a 8 seater durango❓ 🤔
Subaru all day long. AWD is what Subaru known for and has better resale value and most of all safety.
Don't forge the legendary boxer engine.
2019 Pilot EX here. Haven’t driven the Subaru but I can say that Pilot AWD is amazing on the snow with its traction control. Also, the radar is very important because there are many times in the snow that lane keep and road departure mitigation can’t work because the camera gets snow over it but the adaptive cruise control does.
Very nice Head to Head Review of the family haulers. I have the Subaru Ascent Limited on Order for delivery in January. I never really considered the Honda Pilot. My comparable’s were The Ford Explorer, Chevy Traverse and the Mazda CX-9. I think the Subaru gives me the best value of all of them with AWD being standard in all trims. An absolute must have for cold weather states. Too many people just see “CVT” and 4 cylinder and instantly jump to the conclusion that it’s underpowered and unreliable. I think this is the way more gasoline powered vehicles will be moving in the future.
In all honesty, I really did want the Chrysler Pacifica but I’ve spent way too many years helping to push them in out of snowy driveways
Haven't driven the Ascent so can't really comment on which is better (my limited experience with Subaru makes me think it should also be a great choice), but as a recent Pilot buyer (EX-L AWD) I can say that it is a solid choice. The only things I've found to criticize so far are 1) the seats, which aren't as comfortable on long rides as my '13 Altima, 2) the ride is actually a little stiffer than I was expecting (again, as compared to my Altima), and 3) the computer-calculated MPG is way off. On the third point; I know most vehicle's computers will over-estimate the MPG, but in the first chance I had to do a real MPG calculation I found the real MPG was about 3.5 less than what the computer was telling me. On the plus side, the real MPG was very close to the EPA estimate - my actual was around 20.4 in mixed driving - but the computer was showing 23.9 as the average. On the plus side, the stiffer suspension makes for a better handling vehicle than I was expecting, the third row is actually big enough for an adult, and the seats fold to make a nice flat cargo area if you need to haul large objects. The selling points for me were the third row (which I will use) and the AWD system (which I also will use), which in all reviews seems to be one the best of the crossover SUVs.
I do have a couple of gripes with the review here too - I personally don't see that a 1-2 MPG difference makes the Subaru the "clear winner" in that department. When you are talking about cars that are in the low 20s in MPG, I don't see that as a big difference. Also, the thing with getting into the third row with a child seat in place - as far as I'm concerned, there is no difference between the two there; both make it (virtually) impossible to do so. I would much rather know how much, if any, difference there is getting to the third row with no child seat in place.
If only given the choice between the two, I would select the Honda primarily because I've seen the long term effect of running a small displacement turbocharged engine in a large, heavy vehicle. That little 4 banger has to work significantly harder to accomplish its job than the v6. Then throw in a truly awful CVT which when it fails (not IF) will have to be completely replaced because the things are nearly impossible to repair. I honestly believe that is why most Subarus are underpowered- to increase the lifespan of their brittle CVTs.
As for Subaru EyeSight; it gets defeated by weather far too easily. Alex says run the defogger, but what about the muddy slush that splatters the windscreen and is not removed by the wipers because they don't actually hit where the cameras are?
The wipers do clear the eyesight cameras. I recently tested a 2019 RDX. There was a little bit of snow on the radar sensor, not enough to cover even half of it, and not even a thick layer. The driver assist systems were disabled because of that little bit of snow.
Seriously, I sadly accept this. So is there a way to inspect the CVT and know when it is time to replace it, and do so before losing all power on a busy highway? I didn't enjoy having my Odyssey transmission completely fail in the middle of the road, and don't really want a repeat of this experience.
How about we focus on the road and actual driving than rely on these systems lol Jesus Christ just keep your eyes on the road
I went with the Ascent Touring. Love it, cant even tell it's a Cvt.
Do you still like your Subaru Accent Touring? I'm trying to decide if I should buy one!!
i am really Glad that we bought Honda pilot AWD. driving this pilot almost six month, Really a great vehicle. New AWD system works also great. i don't have any idea about the previous pilot but this one is perfect for me. I Love my Pilot.
Nice video concept. I enjoyed seeing both vehicles side-by-side while hearing your thoughts on the strengths and weaknesses of each. I like both cars. If I were in the market I would probably go with the Honda. I neither spend a lot of time off-road nor do I anticipate needing to test the limits of the vehicles AWD systems. I do, however, spend a lot of time on pavement and I figure that the torque vectoring of the Honda and its more engaging feel (plus the Honda's historical reliability) would have me leaning toward the Pilot. But, in the long run, I think I would be happy with either crossover.
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Subarus awd, fuel economy and more luxurious(smoother) driving characteristics win it for me. Some people have to get to work no matter what and dont want to spend it on a rougher ride. I love my legacy and would love another subaru but I am not a fan that they scrapped the naturally aspirated and manual combos. They were extremely reliable. However I do have a 3.6r legacy with a 5 speed and I have never had a single problem. I think they get bad raps cause people dont take care of them right.
We chose the Subaru precisely for those reasons you mentioned.
If you want an Ascent, lemme advise you to get a Limited or above purely for the sake of the driver lumbar support. Lower trims are uncomfortable, but those are great.
I'm torn between the two. I've had two Pilots, and love them, ultra-reliability. My wife has a Forester, I like the way it handles. My big sticking point is the reliability of a turbo-4 in the Subie. That's a small engine pushing around a big vehicle and I have to think a turbo that fails is pricey to repair. I may wait a couple model years .
We’re planning on buying a Subaru soon.Thanks for a great review !!!
Both are great vehicles. However, the fold down arm rests on the driver and passenger seats of the Pilot are a none starters; they look and feel cheap. The large centre storage area and centre arm rest on the Subaru is very practical and much, much more comfortable.
Glad to see a video that doesn't become a fan boy over the new Subaru Ascent. I prefer critical videos that give their honest opinion on both vehicles. Great review
On a personal note, we own both a Honda Accord and a Subaru Tribeca. I like both companies and would buy from either. I love my Tribeca and my wife wife loves her Accord. My Tribeca is nearing the end of its life but for an 11 year old vehicle it is still running great. The Ascent and the Pilot are top on my list to replace it. I am still not sure which will replace it. Both vehicles have things I like and dislike. In the end it might just come down to how comfortable I feel in the car. I think it's pointless to be a blind fan of any company.
Subaru any day. I have a 2015 Forrester with CVT and love it. Awesome AWD system. Great gas mileage. Honda does have great vehicles, so not knocking them Just prefer Subaru
Just purchased a 2021 Ascent. If we didn’t do off-roading, I think Pilot would have a chance of being our third row of choice. It’s definitely good competition.... but we are loving our 2021 Ascent Touring!
First of, I like your review on these vehicle. What is interesting is that you concluded that the Pilot have a better AWD system than the Ascent. It would be nice if you could show us how they are compare in real world because some of us is curious to see how the SH-AWD take on X-Mode system? I know that in some condition the Pilot more power to outside wheels helps it corner better, but Ascent torque vectoring is somewhat like vehicle dynamic control but putting power that have grip instead of just brakes is (I think) better on slippery surface.
I’d pick a Highlander BUT since I’ve got to choose between these 2 it’s going to be the.....
SUBARU!!!
Ski Bum Regardless it would still be my choice.
@Ski Bum no its not. No one has gotten stuck in a Highlander
i agree Highlander would be my choose also
Subaru makes the frame for the highlander right?
Stop at the EX-L trim on the Pilot.
I personally would buy the Subaru Ascent. Like you said, the Ascent gets better fuel economy, and more cargo space. I still won't deny that the Honda Pilot is a good car, though. The Pilot does have cool features like the cargo floor that can be flipped over, and have a plastic surface which is easier to clean than fabric.
Ive had a pilot since 2013 and love it. I have 5 kids and try to decide if er should go with ascent (i love the design and features) or the very reliable awesome to drive pilot again. I think Pilot it is. Its truly a pleasure to drive. I have the basic with added AWD.
I like the Ascent!
Great review, Alex. One suggestion, when comparing safety systems (5:45), try showing a table of features (rows) with a column for each car model and series of check boxes and blank spaces to distinguish which model includes which feature. It would be more clear as a comparison and require less screen real estate.
Thank you for a very comprehensive and informative comparison. We are happy Pilot owners looking for a newer SUV. Was pretty sold on the Ascent before your video. Hmm? Now we're looking at the Pilot again. Our old model has awesome rear air conditioning. This is a big plus as we haul show dogs in hot Southern California climate. We've noticed the AC in the Pilot blows the competition way in both the front and the separately controlled rear zone. Separate rear zone controls are important. Would like to see some climate control comparison. Perhaps not just AC but heat and seat control as well. My new Ford has heated and cooled seats. Love em. Keep up the good work. Your reviews are helpful, thank you
Not all AWD are made equal. Subaru's AWD is legendary.
substring zero Honda pilots awd can send power side to side in the rear without brakes. Something Subaru can’t do. Subaru went the cheap rout and used brake torque vectoring which is way slower to react
"Subaru's AWD is legendary" -- You are talking about the past.
mountainhobo the current pilot awd is better than the Subaru system. Subaru used the budget method of brake vectoring in the rear wheels instead of actually have a differential that can send power left and right. The brake vectoring is way slower to respond.
Hmm, but Alex seems to prefer Hondas super awd
@Fadic4 -- Yes, we are in agreement.
I test drove the Pilot, Elite, with the 9 speed. In stop and go traffic it was rough shifting, but overall torque and handling was good. Honda offers full LED headlights, the Subaru did not for 2019. What surprised me the most was the lack of leg/foot room on the drivers side with the Pilot. That was the reason why the Subaru was the clear choice for my purchase, comfort. Too many negative reviews on the Honda 9 speed, which is sad because of their reputation for quality.
The Ascent is my choice
I owned both brand. Ascent was I was waiting for replacement for Tribeca. I like the look of the Ascent, AWD system in snow, wider opening at the rear door open; cargo volume and fuel efficiency for AWD but I'm not a fun of TURBO LAG. With Honda reliability and linear power distribution - This time I'm leaning towards the Pilot. Time will tell when I'm ready to part with my current folks hauler.
Subaru Ascent. Checked both and bought Ascent. Loving it!
i HAVE A SUBARU OUTBACK. I love it; if I required additional Seating , I'd go with the Ascent, The Subaru is an Off Road car and also can be switched to Manual Shift , using paddle controls vice shift levers, recommended practice to get use to the paddle system. Honda is a great Car - had one for 9 years, but the Subaru handles better, more comfortable, and fantastic Gas Mileage, particularly on the open road.
Definitely Subaru 👍
The fact that the CVT in the Ascent doesn't get significantly better MPG is a huge ding in this comparison.
i disagree about the Honda AWD being a better system. the honda system is still a reactive system where it will be FWD the majority of the time. just watch the recent TFLC roller slip tests. The pilot spins the front wheels way more before it can transfer power to the rear. I know they used an outback, but all new subaru's with xmode are the same. the wheel spin of the outback is minimal compared to the pilot. also you will notice in the roller tests, the torque steer of the pilot, because of the unequal front axles. although the new subaru's lack the rear limited diff compared to the older subaru's, the symmetrical awd layout is still there, so naturally it's going to put down power more evenly to all 4 wheels compared to the competition.
I agree, this was overlooked in the comparison.
The Honda is always overdriving the rear, it may take it longer to apply that power to the wheels. It isn’t like the old Honda awd system.
ruclips.net/video/fqtTLSqIiB8/видео.html, it seems pretty reasonable though.
Ascent has been out for a year now but I'm hearing concerns about CVT reliability. Is this true?
After owning both a Turbo Subaru AND a Honda, I’ll take the Honda but with the 6-speed Auto.
Im own a 16’ Pilot trust me beautiful truck and fast but i fell in love with the ascent just because the safety many good tech and the chassis one of the best , sym.AWD and captain chair
Same me here, trading a 16 pilot for an ascent . Pilot has also had a couple major issues.$$$
Having owned both, the Ascent is the clear choice. The handling you espouse with the Honda was not good in mine. Paired with a substandard gas consumption ratio and the higher cost in fuel over time, the Ascent wins again. The Honda is a many years established vehicle, and if the Ascent is toe-to-toe with it, it says a lot about what Honda is and isn't doing. Love my Hondas...love the Ascent even more.
Bought a Subaru Ascent Touring recently and even though not perfect, it is an incredible value as you can get them in some cases even under invoice. I personally didn't like the idea of a push button shifter on the Pilot and thought the short front end sometimes made it look a little like a mini-van front end. Nothing wrong with either vehicle but coming from a luxury sports sedan, I was realistic when it came to the way a SUV would handle.
I'm so glad I'm not the only one that finds push button shifters questionable! And my husband said the exact same thing about it looking minivan-like.
The Pilot and the Ridgeline are now both built on the same parent platform: the Odyssey.
So yeah, minivans of sorts.
@@stephanematis Wait...the Ridgeline is a minivan with a bed?!
Ski Bum no not at all,Ford explorer and Durango are far from
In principle I have nothing wrong with these vehicles being based on cars / mini-vans. The percentage of time these types of vehicles will be performing pickup truck type duties is minimal. There are trade offs any way you decide to go and no vehicle is perfect, so its just a matter of personal preference. My comment regarding the mini-van front end was purely from a style perspective, but the Odyssey is a very good mini-van.
Subaru was a clear winner for my family. We bought the ascent Touring. My wife could care less about driving dynamic or sporty feel. It's all about comfort, practicality and fuel economy. And, objectively, the pilot is hideous. The ascent limited and touring looks much nicer, IMO.
We love the ascent! The CVT was odd at first but you seriously don't notice it, especially on long hauls where this vehicle shines
Felt power will be better with a turbo in higher elevation, which is why I like the turbo over a V6, but both seem like good options. Overall, I'm very happy with mmt Ascent
Can you do a cabin nose level comparison with it's competitors..?
Alex, the work you do is extraordinary. I'm a fan. I want to provide my feedback and comments. I admire both brands. Had Hondas in the past. Have a Crosstrek today. Both brands have my respect. However, in my 6 cil Accord I had some serious problems with the VCM. The reliability I was looking for was not there. It was very disappointing for two reasons: (1) I could feel the vibrations pattern changing when the engine moved from 6 to 4 and then to 3 cylinders. That was annoying but I guess tolerable (I mean, barely. I got a 6 cylinder, was looking for the smooth 6 cylinder ride and there I was, on the highway, with a 3 cylinders Accord. So yes, *barely* tolerable). Anyway, the real problem came when (2) the reliability started to suffer due to VCM, and then the class action suit, high oil consumption, plug and valve fouling, shudder and vibration. It was very disappointing. I understand the current 6 cil Hondas still use VCM and I question their ability to go 150k miles (even 100k miles maybe) without major pains. Now, if you're the type of person that trades your car every 3, 4 or 5 years then you're probably fine. Or if you're willing to use devices like VCM Muzzler (to kill the VCM) you're probably also ok.
So based just on that I would chose the Subaru - knowing perfectly well that we still don't know if that 2.4 Turbo can go the distance. Too early to tell.
At the end of the day, I guess, give me a 6 cil Toyota with a modern media system, Car play and Android Auto, and I'm done. Or add a button to the Honda to defeat VCM the same way we can kill idle start-stop. That would also work.
I hope that this makes sense.
Congrats again. Your work sets the bar for everyone else on RUclips.
VCM can easily be defeated with a proven aftermarket module. I will be putting one on my ODY or Pilot when i pick it up.
Alex, please include the VW Atlas in all your stats. I know it is a low volume selling vehicle but I have found mine to be the best overall large 3 row crossover available in North America. I am 6'6" tall and is the only car or truck I have been in where I need to move the driver seat forward a bit in order to reach everything comfortably.
yup got an atlas myself as well and honestly i'm liking it VERY much
Having previously owned a Subaru and Honda, easy decision for me....Honda Pilot.
Same here. Not totally fair because our Subaru was a 1988 Turbo 4 wagon, but it was the biggest lemon we've ever owned. My Acura TSX was excellent. I'd prefer the Toyota Highlander most of all but the third row seats are just too small and we need to actually use it.
As in Japan... Subaru is the gold standard !!!
We had a Pilot Elite with the 9sp and it was junk. Traded it in after 5 months. The transmission was all over the place, the lane keep assist made it nearly impossible to drive cause it was so sensitive, and don't even get me started on the auto start stop.
He forgot to mention that the Ascent has better curb appeal and handling because of the low center of gravity of the engine. I test drove both through a slalom course and the Pilot had so much body lean compared to the Ascent. No other cars can beat Subaru safety and AWD system.
We purchased the Subaru ascent two weeks ago.
Excellent choice.
SHAWD!! is amazing. I had it in my Acura RL, 2018 Ridgeline and now in my 2019 Pilot. Fantastic on Canadian winter roads. Never liked CVTs or turbo lag and reliability.
I will choose Honda Pilot because it has a good look, good safety features. And who will forget the VTEC kick in
I bought a 2017 Hyundai Santa Fe, but ended up trading it in just a little after a year and a half because of horrible Dealership and customer service from Hyundai. Brought it in for the same problem 9 times in two months. Had to pay for rotors, heat shields, etc. they would never look at powertrain problems and would not reimburse me.
So I checked out the Pilot and Ascent. I chose the Ascent because it had a grander interior, and my knees were not shoved into my chest in the Ascent third row, unlike the Pilot. My bro fits in the third row just fine and he’s 5’7-8
John Tsahalis
- is it too late to lemon-law the Santa Fe? I'm really sorry to hear about the Dealership run-around :-(
Thanks for another great review, Alex. Killer for the Pilot for us was the driver’s seatbelt is inexplicably 12 inches shorter than the passengers’ (and than any other Honda). This is a known issue (not just the one we test drove), but made for an uncomfortable experience (and lost Honda a sale; more than one, from what I have read).
For a sacrifice of 1 mpg, I'll take the more powerful, quieter Pilot v6 any day.
How about life span of their engines, transmissions and drivetrains?
What about short and long term maintenance for both cars?
Exactly. These reviews are pretty much short term gratification videos and do not delve into the more complicated comparison of reliability and maintenance as well as the horror stories that accompany ownership of some cars. Buyers should also view mechanics videos such as Scotty Kilmer, after which the choice between vehicles such as these become no-brainers.
With my experience owning both a Honda Pilot and a Subaru Outback, I would run from the Honda as fast as I could get into the Subaru and get out of town. Our 2015 Outback 3.6R with CVT is a dream, while our Pilot's Automatic transmission has been a nightmare, and P.S. Honda has a reputation for defective, unreliable transmissions for decades. The Pilot's transmission 's torque converter is the problem, but the real problem is Honda's egregious disregard and avoidance policy. If you bring your car in to be diagnosed and they can't find or determine the problem, and you follow up with subsequent appointments that don't result in a final determination, Honda strikes (erases) the service history after one year. Are you kidding me? After buying 3 cars from Apple Honda, Riverhead, NY, that was it for me. For many years Honda was the underdog and had good or better products than the competition, but now in my opinion, you can't do any better than Subaru. I certainly hope that Subaru doesn't follow Honda down the hill.
I'd take the Subaru. Better AWD system. Better headlight visibility at night. Better interior material quality. Better and more comfortable seats. Better at absorbing road imperfections. Better looks, the Pilot's fat and bulging profile isn't more me. Better safety system. Overall, the Ascent interior is more upscale and more comfortable to ride in.
Excellent video. Just what I need since I'm right now looking at a Pilot. I would like you to do a video about CVT's. I'm also looking at the CV-R. I'm really nervous about CVT's. I keep my cars for a long time. My current CV-R has 112,000 miles on it. Supposedly, CVT's start having serious and expensive problems as they age. So right now I would avoid the Honda CV-R and the Suburu Ascent. Your comments about the 8-speed transmission in the higher end Pilots are also troubling. My cars have always so very long because I focus on cars with very reliable engines and transmissions.
Anyway, many thanks. I will be watching a lot more of your videos.
Radar system can clog with mud, snow, etc. eye sight is behind the wind shield.
I own a 2016 Legacy 2.5i Limited that I'm not thrilled with but it's a decent car that gives me extra traction for those few days that I need it. My wife and I looked at an Ascent for her and she had problems seeing over the dash of the Ascent (she's barely 5' 2"). I don't know why because I thought the Pilot had a higher dash and hood. She thought it was a nice car but she chose the Pilot EX-L. Whenever I get to trade in my current Legacy, I'm likely going to get an Ascent Limited with the big sunroof. Those are nice.
Very comprehensive review, thank you. I want to like the Ascent. But I know I'm going to end up test driving that new Ford Explorer. It might have just a little more of what a family of 5 and 2 dogs needs.
Just strap the dogs up on the roof. Lol
Honda all the way, I like the look of the pilot when compared to all 3 rows out on the market. I like my suv with a beefy look and known for their reliability
I didn't catch details about third row seat head and leg room. The pilot has the best third row seats I found. With complex drive lines comes reliability issues and expensive maintenance that more than offset any real mpg gains.
look at Alex's individual videos for each of the vehicles for those details.
I haven't seen the new 2019 Pilot in person but one reason (of many) I got an Ascent over a 2018 is because the 3rd row in the Pilot was almost at floor level. The Ascent 3rd row is better for bigger kids
just checked out both Ascent and Pilot with my kids who are 12 and 8 since they will be the ones going to the third row when needed. Both complained that the seats in the pilot were too low to the ground and my daughter who has long legs did not feel comfortable and it was easier to get to the third row. In this category the Ascent was the clear winner!
Highlander would be my choice. Waiting to see what the next gen highlander will bring to the table current one is long in the tooth but has aged nicely. The new Toyota have been killing it
Planning on going with the ascent
Excellent choice.
I thought the Ascent handled better than the Pilot buy I drove a 18 pilot and it felt floaty at speed. The Ascent was better planted. Also, as far as safety Subaru beats them all especially with the new SGP structure and it does not look like a minivan like the Pilot