Dude....not sure if anyone already commented and told you this, but the reason your Decimator is suppressing the noise in your rig way faster than the NS2 is because you don't have the NS2's decay time set to match that of the Decimator's 🙈. The decimator doesn't have a decay knob....instead the decay is defaulted to "minimum". You have the NS2's set to "maximum". If you want it to gate as quickly as your Decimator, crank the "threshold" knob all the way to the right (which you already have) and crank the "envelope" knob all the way to the left (which you have not). With that said I think it's fair to mention this is a very misleading review and for those of you watching this video and lucky enough to catch my comment, take it from someone who knows how to use both pedals....they're both great but if you need more than just a lightning quick noise gate then the NS2 is way more versatile.
Hi man! Im using a NS-2 and i don't know if you tried to MAX the threshold and MIN the decay, it will cut the noise much faster then it does with both on MAX :) I am though interested in the Decimator since it seems like you can set it up much tighter then the NS-2.
I found a lot of Boss NS2s go for about 45-60 bucks on reverb. Some even for 60 bucks even with free shipping. Insane, but I noticed... Lots of people are selling them... I am going to guess they probably bought a ISP Decimator...
this video is the best example of a guitar player who is not able to understand anything of guitar and fx basics and that's why he keeps telling "oh the boss cuts your sound and sustain... the ISP is waaay better"... you know what? you simply can't handle the NS2 because you don't understand how it works... oh I am wrong? no I ain't wrong because all you said about it was just bullshit... if you have the correct setting (every piece of a mm is important with this knobs) it works as a charm
jedivolt agreed, however its generally accepted that the Decimator is the best on the market, nothing gets past that thing lol. I have the Boss and yes, works great!!
Yeah bro, I usually get this "Decimator has so much sustain" and maybe they have a point, but I do not like the fact it doesn't include send/return. Perhaps BOSS NS2 vs. TC SENTRY would be a better comparison? I've never touched a sentry though
Does the isp suck a little tone like the boss does? I have the cheap behringer and it is modeled after the boss I'm pretty sure and it sucks a bit of tone. But other than that it works good.
you're using the ns-2 wrong. you need to turn the decay to min to activate the suppression quicker. not the other way around. then you can turn the threshold down a bit.
+Christopher Martlin you are right, that's why when Eric used his NS-2 the sound in this video seems to be sucked ... the decay should stay at zero level ... :)
Hy man ! What is the efect from just right the begining of your video on your guitar , clean or what ? Cos I like it and thats the exacly effect who I need for befining song 'Boot camp' from Soundgarden ! Thanks !
This is a great video. Shame more people haven't watched it yet. I could have done with this before I dropped for the NS-2. Looks like I'll be saving for the Decimator too.
Have you used the Boss NS-2 where you run some effects into Input, the used Send into Input of amp, amp effect loop Send into Return of Boss NS-2 then out with delay and reverb that goes into the return. First try the Boss NS-2 guitar into Input, send into Input of amp, send effect loop of amp into return and out into the return of the effect loops.
I'm wondering if the NS2 would clean up the noisy repeats when I use delay with high gain? I have the Decimator II, and it doesn't seem to help that at all.
I have never used a noise suppressor live or otherwise. I like to play with dynamics and play some things softer and others louder based on how I pick the strings.
@@EricShreds using this method, how would I connect my modulation and time effects? If I wanted all my noise through the gate going in front of the amp, the does modulation and time go amp effects send to 1st modulation to last , then from the last modulation to amp return?
Try turning the decay back, the pedal wil work waay better then, because it cuts the noise out faster, and not böends them out slowly.. I think the Boss is perfect for metal and stuff lik this :)
Eric have you ever played on a ibanez 150h head? I'd love for you to give a review on it since one it's not expensive for what it is and two I think it is so underrated and would love for you to bring light to it since you've played other high gain amps. it's only 200$ used probably less with the way you get stuff but I'd love to see a video! :)
Yeah it don't matter what you're running if you like a lot of gain ,,, you're going to be getting some noise ... Yup ,,, definitely going to get one of these gizmos ... yeah ,, yeah I'm a sound guy and everybody's like single coil Strat and you know how those things like that make noise ... yeah most of the time it's just the standard rig guitar ,, amp a cord ,,, so I'll put it on the effects Loop of my own equipment ... got a few Johnny guitarz ,,, I work with ,,, got the huge paddle board ... I'm not hating but they just can't seem to get that thing together ,,, love your work ... thanks ... D
Yeah that's the second peddle ... I've seen that sweet ass Chrome ,,, but I'll probably go with you the boss just so I can figure out the switches ... D
Thanks for posting this Eric... I'd like to see the aholes with negative comments about you on this vid provide a recorded, meaningful compairson of their own like you have, instead of slingin' their f'ed up mental crap on the net.
I dont play metal with my band but my setup its quite for metal, and playing live with a solid state amp never needed the noise suppressor but for only one of my guitars. Anyway, its a usefull pedal for guitars with noisy pick ups or noisy amps.
Having experience with both pedals, the ISP kicks the Boss's ass! Period. And I love certain Boss pedals. I think I know why you say "Something about this pedal just.. is perfect for me." Unlike the Boss, it squashes the initial sound you want. So while you are playing, it's already being used. The ISP lets you dial it in to EXACTLY after your done playing, and the tone you have while playing is totally unaffected. You may pay out the ass for the Decimator G-String which is what I own, but you pay for for quality sometimes.
This is the normal decimator though. Not the G string. The G string may possibly be better than the NS2, but normal decimator/decimatorII... I doubt it. The fact it doesn't have a "loop send/return" already makes it inferior in features.
Had to pause this vid, to figure out where/when that barking dog was ... ... Thanks you for setting up the NS-2 properly - most demo videos don't do that ... ...
You do realize for like $10 bucks you could have installed a dummy coil and gotten these same results on any setup anywhere without the need for looping any signal.
The ISP is garbage for cleans and medium gain. The only thing it decimates is your dynamics. Overpriced junk. This video isn't even a proper comparison. The Boss NF-1 Noise Gate compares with the Decimator. The NS-2 Noise Suppressor compares with the G-string.
Wow, he doesn't know how to setup the Boss pedal. I play with mine with thresh at 4 o'clock and decay to the minimum and I can get sustain even into feedback easily. All I have is a Crate XT120R with a Danelectro Fab OD pedal on the crunch channel for a good rhythm tone.
this is the second noise pedal youtube I have seen which has an absolutely dreadful background of metal type dross. I would giggle at the irony but it is way too irritating to be funny.
Good tone, like good music, is subjective. This guy likes what sounds good to him and is trying to share that. If it doesn't sound good to you, simply don't follow his advice. I knew as soon as I saw the Metal Zone pedal that his tone wouldn't be great but it's still nice to see videos comparing different pedals under different circumstances.
Dude....not sure if anyone already commented and told you this, but the reason your Decimator is suppressing the noise in your rig way faster than the NS2 is because you don't have the NS2's decay time set to match that of the Decimator's 🙈. The decimator doesn't have a decay knob....instead the decay is defaulted to "minimum". You have the NS2's set to "maximum". If you want it to gate as quickly as your Decimator, crank the "threshold" knob all the way to the right (which you already have) and crank the "envelope" knob all the way to the left (which you have not). With that said I think it's fair to mention this is a very misleading review and for those of you watching this video and lucky enough to catch my comment, take it from someone who knows how to use both pedals....they're both great but if you need more than just a lightning quick noise gate then the NS2 is way more versatile.
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I didn't see a side chain other than on the boss.
Does your boss suck a little tone?
Thank you man
Hi man!
Im using a NS-2 and i don't know if you tried to MAX the threshold and MIN the decay, it will cut the noise much faster then it does with both on MAX :)
I am though interested in the Decimator since it seems like you can set it up much tighter then the NS-2.
Appreciate all effort you put into your vids man. Nice, thanks :-)
Thank you Tommy! Much respect for the kind people on youtube!
Thanks for all the vids man, super helpful and you're a beast with guitar keep it up brotha!
On the ns-2 try leaving the threshold around 3/4 and the decay at 0 to 1/4.
I found a lot of Boss NS2s go for about 45-60 bucks on reverb. Some even for 60 bucks even with free shipping. Insane, but I noticed... Lots of people are selling them... I am going to guess they probably bought a ISP Decimator...
this video is the best example of a guitar player who is not able to understand anything of guitar and fx basics and that's why he keeps telling "oh the boss cuts your sound and sustain... the ISP is waaay better"... you know what? you simply can't handle the NS2 because you don't understand how it works... oh I am wrong? no I ain't wrong because all you said about it was just bullshit... if you have the correct setting (every piece of a mm is important with this knobs) it works as a charm
jedivolt agreed, however its generally accepted that the Decimator is the best on the market, nothing gets past that thing lol. I have the Boss and yes, works great!!
Personally I prefer the boss, it's more versatile.
I see no side chain on that. Big deal breaker for me. I like to use some echo effects and not have them cut off.
Yeah bro, I usually get this "Decimator has so much sustain" and maybe they have a point, but I do not like the fact it doesn't include send/return. Perhaps BOSS NS2 vs. TC SENTRY would be a better comparison? I've never touched a sentry though
They make a decimator that does that too..... for me the decimator shits on NS2.... I've had both and kept the decimators.
Does the isp suck a little tone like the boss does? I have the cheap behringer and it is modeled after the boss I'm pretty sure and it sucks a bit of tone. But other than that it works good.
what do you think of the boss feedbacker pedal? the idea of a noise suppressor is unappealing to me, ya need some of those raw amp squeals and Hum imo
you're using the ns-2 wrong. you need to turn the decay to min to activate the suppression quicker. not the other way around. then you can turn the threshold down a bit.
+Christopher Martlin you are right, that's why when Eric used his NS-2 the sound in this video seems to be sucked ... the decay should stay at zero level ... :)
you make the best metalcore videos on youtube especially demoing gear that's used by so many metalcore players I wish you'd make more lol
Hy man ! What is the efect from just right the begining of your video on your guitar , clean or what ? Cos I like it and thats the exacly effect who I need for befining song 'Boot camp' from Soundgarden ! Thanks !
no send/return jacks as well though, so why pay more for less?
That's a beautiful SG in the background
The NS-2 is very good with the 4 way cable method but it still sucks some of the high end out
Would these prevent feedback during a practice in a small space with 3 cabs and a pa?
This is a great video. Shame more people haven't watched it yet. I could have done with this before I dropped for the NS-2. Looks like I'll be saving for the Decimator too.
Have you used the Boss NS-2 where you run some effects into Input, the used Send into Input of amp, amp effect loop Send into Return of Boss NS-2 then out with delay and reverb that goes into the return. First try the Boss NS-2 guitar into Input, send into Input of amp, send effect loop of amp into return and out into the return of the effect loops.
Great Video. Thanks for comparing these 2 pedals and helping me choose the correct on to purchase. ISP Decimator is the way to go for sure.
I'm wondering if the NS2 would clean up the noisy repeats when I use delay with high gain? I have the Decimator II, and it doesn't seem to help that at all.
bttw use ns2 in effects loop, and isp decimator in front of guitar and use a tube screamer through a 6505 with a mesa cab and ull have perfect tone
I have never used a noise suppressor live or otherwise.
I like to play with dynamics and play some things softer and others louder based on how I pick the strings.
Agree i do both, sometimes i need this kind stuff tho with metal
you can still do that... just set the threshold to lower than your quietest, it just knocks out the hum of noise guitars and pedals...
Loving all the uploads!
Thanks!
@@EricShreds using this method, how would I connect my modulation and time effects? If I wanted all my noise through the gate going in front of the amp, the does modulation and time go amp effects send to 1st modulation to last , then from the last modulation to amp return?
Try turning the decay back, the pedal wil work waay better then, because it cuts the noise out faster, and not böends them out slowly.. I think the Boss is perfect for metal and stuff lik this :)
Boss intended you to just put noisy high gain pedals into the loop to prevent it affecting subtle reverb etc. great video though really helpful.
What? That doesn't even have a side chain loop. The ns2 does. Good luck using any timming effects like echo and reverb through that.
You can clearly see that the Boss NS-2 although less expensive is much better than the Decimator.
Eric have you ever played on a ibanez 150h head? I'd love for you to give a review on it since one it's not expensive for what it is and two I think it is so underrated and would love for you to bring light to it since you've played other high gain amps. it's only 200$ used probably less with the way you get stuff but I'd love to see a video! :)
Great video brotha!! Keep it up!
How does it do on EMI's ?
Yeah it don't matter what you're running if you like a lot of gain ,,, you're going to be getting some noise ... Yup ,,, definitely going to get one of these gizmos ... yeah ,, yeah I'm a sound guy and everybody's like single coil Strat and you know how those things like that make noise ... yeah most of the time it's just the standard rig guitar ,, amp a cord ,,, so I'll put it on the effects Loop of my own equipment ... got a few Johnny guitarz ,,, I work with ,,, got the huge paddle board ... I'm not hating but they just can't seem to get that thing together ,,, love your work ... thanks ... D
Yeah that's the second peddle ... I've seen that sweet ass Chrome ,,, but I'll probably go with you the boss just so I can figure out the switches ... D
Plug into an analogue pedal right?
Thanks for posting this Eric... I'd like to see the aholes with negative comments about you on this vid provide a recorded, meaningful compairson of their own like you have, instead of slingin' their f'ed up mental crap on the net.
All that you need is a pair of microphones, one for you and one for your guitar
I have a peavey 6505 and a nosie supressor boss and i still hear the buzz what am i doing wrong ?
+Anthony Canal Most heads have a ground button on the back that will eliminate the 60hz hum if that's the culprit.. worth mentioning.
I dont play metal with my band but my setup its quite for metal, and playing live with a solid state amp never needed the noise suppressor but for only one of my guitars. Anyway, its a usefull pedal for guitars with noisy pick ups or noisy amps.
Having experience with both pedals, the ISP kicks the Boss's ass! Period. And I love certain Boss pedals. I think I know why you say "Something about this pedal just.. is perfect for me." Unlike the Boss, it squashes the initial sound you want. So while you are playing, it's already being used. The ISP lets you dial it in to EXACTLY after your done playing, and the tone you have while playing is totally unaffected. You may pay out the ass for the Decimator G-String which is what I own, but you pay for for quality sometimes.
This is the normal decimator though. Not the G string. The G string may possibly be better than the NS2, but normal decimator/decimatorII... I doubt it. The fact it doesn't have a "loop send/return" already makes it inferior in features.
so i put the noise gate in the fx loop??
Had to pause this vid, to figure out where/when that barking dog was ... ...
Thanks you for setting up the NS-2 properly - most demo videos don't do that ... ...
I remember I was about to buy the ns2 but they were out of stock but they had the decimator and I bought it and so far I'm very pleased with it
You do realize for like $10 bucks you could have installed a dummy coil and gotten these same results on any setup anywhere without the need for looping any signal.
can i use a compresor/sustainer pedal in front of the ns2 to fix the sustain problem?
Yup that can help
Do you know if this pedals works well with a bass?
+Daniel Galindo yup, i have the decimator 2, works like a fricken charm
The ISP is garbage for cleans and medium gain. The only thing it decimates is your dynamics.
Overpriced junk. This video isn't even a proper comparison. The Boss NF-1 Noise Gate compares with the Decimator. The NS-2 Noise Suppressor compares with the G-string.
buddy has the NS2. So far I have found it does two things well: 1) stops some noise, 2) sucks the crap out of the tone
Dude U don't no how to use these pedals do your home work first...
Wow, he doesn't know how to setup the Boss pedal. I play with mine with thresh at 4 o'clock and decay to the minimum and I can get sustain even into feedback easily. All I have is a Crate XT120R with a Danelectro Fab OD pedal on the crunch channel for a good rhythm tone.
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Do they make these for bass?
They are universal, so these could be applied to bass as they are used with guitar.
What is the song in the beginning of this one too? cx
As I lay dying!
new stuff
I feel like the feedback helps the tone
I agree! but somtimes i dont want it but i am that kinda playing to turn it off during some parts
Yeah definitely
+flairfan101 also depends ...alot of hardcore punk loves the squeal ...but in recording (almost) EVERYONE should use them ..
+flairfan101 a lot of people really love the squeal, my whole issue with metal is its SOOO over produced
Had both, still got the Isp d2. Way better at dealing with feedback
I'm sold! I just ordered it.
the 'trigger' of ns2's noise gate is not as good as isp.isp is quick and smart.ns2 is slow or eating notes.
REDUSTION?! WHY IS THE TITLE AND THE DESCRIPTION BOTH WRONG?
James Rogers Because yes
I have the boss pedal got it the same way used for 50 bucks. all try the loop way see how that comes out Thnx Bro! Good video!
The isp decimator can take line level.....the boss ns2 cannot, hence why so many people comment that its a tone suck.......
both good
Good review bro.
Eric use a mic when you talk , because without headphones Almost your reviews bit hard to hear so I hope you do next time ! Cheers
.rip headphone users
As I Lay Dying!
Can you explain the eeeeeeeeeeeeeennnnnhhh part to me?
I see video games cases in the background...
Too bad it doesn't suppresses the dogs barks. :P
HMMM guess I do not need it after all thank you.
I see axl rose
That might be the biggest lip herpe I’ve ever seen
this is the second noise pedal youtube I have seen which has an absolutely dreadful background of metal type dross. I would giggle at the irony but it is way too irritating to be funny.
Shilling so hard.
You post video after video after video yet have ZERO knowledge about tone or achieving tone. What's the deal, bro? Are you ok?
Good tone, like good music, is subjective. This guy likes what sounds good to him and is trying to share that. If it doesn't sound good to you, simply don't follow his advice. I knew as soon as I saw the Metal Zone pedal that his tone wouldn't be great but it's still nice to see videos comparing different pedals under different circumstances.
Decimator is awesome! It works perfectly for me..