Good call bud...have suggested going to oil since your first incident....glad the idea finally took!! It's something else you have to check on....but it should be alot more user friendly and less stress.
@@JustTruckin And you'll have it...one more thing to do on pre/post trip....but you'll have the peace of mind knowing it's all good...or catch something before it gets bad.
Hey Justin, the spindle damage came AFTER the bearings went bad. The weight of the trailer presses down on the spindle. The bottom of the spindle, the part facing the ground, is where the threads were worn off. The spindle was resting on the bottom of the hub. That is how the threads got worn off. The thread damage was the last damage to occur. Another thing is that a prolonged hard turn to the right would cause the front set of wheels to push outward. The snap ring may have not been snapped in completely. The nut backing off would allow the spindle to move outboard and that would definitely chew up the bearings. It may be possible that the a bearing failed and it chewed up the rest of them in that race. Bearing material may have caused the nut to back off. Humongous lesson learned here - Check your hubs every time you stop. Enjoy your videos.
Came here to say this. Probably a cheap knockoff bearing installed before is why it failed. You were lucky, another 100 miles and you would have had a fire or lost the wheels.
I told him the same thing the first video on when they found the nut off. As well as he had a video before on his trailer getting work done on bearings. Then the guy doing the work on was a rookie and the head mechanic was on vacation. Rookie was not sure what he was doing was on a video. I said he probably didn’t get the lock ring on right 🤷🏻♂️
I think you made the right move switching to oil. I have ran both and in my experience I have had far more issues and failures running grease. My thinking is that the structure of heavy duty bearings used on big trucks and trailers are better designed for oil by being a more open structure to allow oil to properly move through the bearing which in turn means it doesn't hold grease properly in the bearing causing inadequate lubrication. Hopefully you are back on the road soon. Thank you for being out there doing what you do and taking us along!
Saw more than one car that had the windshield/ roof stove in from truck tire hits. Never pretty when it happens. Sometime around 2003 was running my pickup southbound on the NJ turnpike up by exit 14. Truck in the northbound lanes lost a wheel. Saw it bouncing and coming my general direction across the median and tried to lay down on the seat to duck/ no room to swerve... Before I could move, the runaway wheel bounced over me (taking out my CB antenna on the roof above). The magnet mount base and mast was all bent up in the bed of the truck when I got home. Never forgot the near miss. Pretty sure I almost died that day and have never forgotten it.
This happen to me in New Jersey on 295 . Tell u the very first thing u do forget the fire extinguisher it will never put out a grease or oil fire , call 911 then drop the landing gear & disconnect the tractor . I've seen people wait to long and realize it's too hot and too late to save the tractor
I just wanted to say man what you did for that driver Dave last week was awesome Justin...you a good husband and father bro...Merry Christmas to you and your family 👪🎄🎁
Duke, from Anaheim,CA while running OTR back east in 1977, I did drop n hook late at nite, and did not chk Hub Oiler, next afternoon I see smoke coming from trlr rt hub as i drove past trk stop on interstate. Hiked back 1\2 mile to trk stop and had road service come remove wheel and drive back to shop and replace bearing and race, luckily spindle ok. Always chk oil level every trip for any leakage. I learned the hard way when you dont chk stuff my rookie year driving.
When you're backing into a dock, or a spot at a truck stop, the front-drivers side hub on the trailer takes all the stress of the trailer swing, and there's never enough room, so it's always a hard turn. That's why it wears out faster, and the drivers side will generally wear out quicker. ( no one likes doing blind backups) Hope that helps ...
@@JustTruckin Yep ... heavy loads on that really course asphalt will make the trailer "hop" ... That's when you tear chunks out of your tires, and pop threads on axles ... Seriously ... that's why the threads were missing on the bottom ... where all the weight is ...
Oil is the way to go. You should see a reduction in the temperature of the spindles. Make sure to check them often, especially now that everything is new. This will set the baseline. Then if you see things starting to change you will know how much and will be able to address any issues before they fail. Good luck and thanks for sharing.
When I was a kid a big rig went to pass our school bus and a set of tandem from the trailer got loose & slammed into the back of our school bus it went all the way under the big blue bird bus knocking the bus rear axle tandem about 3 foot further under the bus. He'll of of a hit too., like a bomb going off under our bus! Luckily no one was hurt.
One thing to remember with oil when you do your pre and post trip check the inside of tires to see if it’s leaking at least with oil you will catch if your seals are bad with oil spat on the inside of tires
One positive thing has come out of this is you’ll have fully confidence in your trailer now for sure!!!! Hopefully you’ll be able to get some good loads before Xmas!!!! You’ve definitely earned it!!!
Turning sharp U-turns in a parking lot causing lateral pressure rather than linear motion that an axle is accustomed and designed to do. Pressure is against the axle and the bearings don’t work as designed.
The bearings are tapered to accommodate lateral/ axial loads. Yes, turns do impart lateral loads on things. But not quite right to say that the axel and bearings are not designed for lateral loads. Many trailers get multiple millions of miles on similar designed bearings and axel sets while routinely having made making sharp turns over that lifespan. Probably shouldn't get drivers worried about turning their trucks around at slow speeds.
Guys one tip an experienced guy taught me is that when you stop, occasionally touch the hubs on your vehicle like where the hub cap bolts to it. The hubs should never be so hot that you cannot hold your hand on it continuously. If you can't hold your hand on it because it's too hot, it's telling you there is excessive friction inside and needs attention. (Except for maybe after a long long downhill run of course). I have even been able to tell on one trailer some hubs with the bearing preload set too tight vs proper bearing adjustment this way. If the preload is set too tight, that will ruin your bearings prematurely also. You could have has a previous person set the bearings too tight on you, or even got dirt inside the grease during a previous service and didn't properly wash out the bearings and repack, or just plain worn out. I always try to set my preloads with a torque wrench following Stemco specs just trying to get them all repeatable and the same all the way around.
Learn something every day! neat to see how the air system works, Justin! appreciate you taking us along for the journey! Any update on David and his truck? I hope he gets back on the road again soon! STM and HAGGAI are the best people around for the trucking injury in SC and Georgia.
God Bless you J’🙏🇺🇸, whenever you think of a Family going down the hwy and the thought of a tire or an axel flying through the air I’ll think of people like you who took the time, effort and spent the funds to make it safer all drivers, thanks 🙏 J’ 👍.
It's called PRE TRIP for a reason. And it amounts to more than just thumping the tires. Over 39 years and 5.3 Million miles. NEVER a maintenance related shut down away from the Home Shop.
I’m hoping that the brokers are watching this and see what it takes to keep the goods safe!!!! I think you hit it just right for no catastrophic incident to happen your timing was impeccable!!!!!
Justin, I sincerely hope for your sake that you don't have issues down the road by switching to oil bath but you're getting way too far ahead of yourself if you think that you're not going to have anymore issues in the future after switching. You've had a few issues happen with various break downs after thinking that you had them solved so I think it would be a better suggestion to not get so confident in your repairs and be more skeptical in the future. This would be for your benefit from a safety standpoint because if you think that your problems are solved because you did a certain type of repair, you may get a little careless with your pre, post, and in trip checks to find issues. And an example of this is probably going back to when you had a different spindle put on when your other one went bad (almost catching on fire I believe) but then you had to replace that one right away because the one that was welded on by that mobile mechanic wasn't done properly either. (At least I think you had to replace it again if I remember correctly. I don't watch every single video of yours so I can't remember for sure now But also, it doesn't make you eat your words in the future. Also, you keep talking about the situation as if it was a bearing that "let go" or went bad but why aren't you considering that this was possibly and even likely a problem with the way the nut was installed at the shop? Are you purposely trying to be nice about the situation? You mention that this place "does good work" but as others have pointed out, they are potentially the reason why this happened. Since this just happened and they were just recently the ones that were doing work on these axles, how are you not considering that they are likely the ones that missed this? Unless there is some sort of proof that the bearing did actually give out BEFORE the threads on the spindle went bad, I think you have to consider what others have mentioned which is that this whole situation likely happened due to improper work done from the previous "repack" of the bearings at this shop. This is likely from the nut being put on wrong or tightened improperly. Others have pointed this out as well. For those that have their preference of oil bath compared to greased hubs, you need to consider some things here when it comes to whether one is "better" than the other. Sure, oil bath is "supposed" to be a better solution when it comes to overall cooling BUT THE PROBLEM IS, WHEN AN OIL BATH SEAL GOES OUT, THERE ARE ALMOST INSTANTANEOUS PROBLEMS OR CATOSTROPHIC FAILURES. A greased wheel hub setup will typically give you more time to have that "oops" moment to deal with. Another problem is, the majority of people simply won't do their pre, post, or in trip checks for their equipment so they don't even bother to check out their wheel hub assemblies, brakes, and so on. Or, if they did look at things, they don't even know what to look for in the first place so they wouldn't even notice if something was bad to begin with. And as such, if an oil bath seal goes out, a person can head down the road and it will go bad right away and cause problems almost instantly. Meanwhile, if it's a greased set up, a person has time to "limp" to somewhere. In short, it's a way of trying to minimize the problem from the equation which is the owner/driver since they won't typically take the time to do what they are supposed to with their inspections. For this reason, I think you made a poor choice in switching to oil bath. I know there are a lot of people that claim oil bath is the way to go but there's a reason why greased hubs are still around. They just plain work. One thing that is different with you is that you will likely (or hopefully anyway) catch a problem if it does start because you seem to do a lot of pre, post, and in trip inspections. So, if you do have an issue, it won't get worse. But, you're the exception to the rule. Again, I hope for your sake this is true. And I hope I'm wrong. But just reconsider switching back if you start to have issues. I'm sorry to bust your chops so much on this but I'm just sitting here shaking my head because you're such a smart and capable guy that I just don't get why you aren't fixing these things yourself so this doesn't happen. $4166.50 for this work? What the hell? I understand you couldn't probably weld a new spindle on yourself but outside of that, you could have done the rest of the work yourself.
I would be more inclined to think the threads where damaged and repaired they didn’t see the damage when they put it back together. Otherwise you would have seen more metal in the grease when they opened it up. Or as you said manufacturers defect. The axle road on the hub and wore the threads down and then was repaired. I have had both hubs and the oil hubs give the best indicator of problems. If the level starts to drop you see oil on the drums inside or out. If the bearings get hot the level will rise. If the oil starts to boil out that’s a bad indicator. If the plug pops that turkey is done. Good luck god speed.
Are those bearing nuts threaded left/right on opposite sides of the truck? If not, it may be the reason for left-hand bearing problems being more common. When the wheel is turning anti/counter-clockwise, any slack will tend to knock the nut towards backing off if it is a right-hand thread - those on the right will tend to retighten instead with a right-hand thread. Engineering 101. Either oil or grease can be used for bearings, the benefits with oil aren't fully used for wheel bearings, and need oil circulation through a filter so that any residue can be both easily removed (so it doesn't cause more damage) and easily checked and analysed (so you can tell if it is critical).
Also instead of replacing the spindle you'd think they could run a die over it and rethread it. Possibly needing to build it up a little first, or if they made a slightly smaller nut it would seem to be a cheaper / quicker repair.
If you have the means maybe you should order a couple extra pieces to that air system so it doesn't hold you up anymore I believe last time you were waiting on something to do with it as well
Justin I see that happened all the time around Dallas Texas area. Cause drivers don't check out there wheel bearings and brakes. Days ago one of the driver's spotted a Swift driver driving and the engine bay was on fire. And they was trying to get him to stop. The driver fled the scene but was quickly tackled by bystanders. I was like wow hearing about it I was outta the CB range. I heard about it when I got in range in my area. All the driver's semi drivers and dump truck drivers and hot shot drivers they are required to check. They are required to drive for 5 miles and check the temperature on the wheel bearings and brake's. We only had to fire one driver that was to lazy to do anything and I ended up terminating him.
@@JustTruckin sure is and even Jackie and Jessie are stunned seeing the dash camera or video I send them from my cellphone. We are getting ready to head to Branson Missouri. Leaving Thursday Morning and everybody will be ready to head out. Will be staying there until early Sunday Morning.
Need more video and info on the oil bath for the bearings. I don't understand how that works, anyone else not understand that? OK, forget that, I see how it goes. Man, how lucky were you that you were able to catch this and not be out on the road. Good job on that. Gotta have the patience of Joab to be a trucker.
IMHO that bearing locked up, and started spinning which forced the nut to start turning. Similar to how when a bearing fails, it can seize and cause the races to spin in the hub. Essentially mass failure and time for repairs.
@@JustTruckin that's actually kinda why I don't mind when a wheel seal starts leaking. Tells you it's time to replace all of them and inspect the bearings on that particular trailer if you're not sure of it's history 100%. I would just check the temp of the hubs with your hands like I mentioned for the first few trips after you get out at a fuel station or something like that and make sure it's all happy. It's a good thing to check ever so often when you get out of the truck. 👍👍 Merry Christmas to your family buddy
@@nothanx3867 yeah I remember that. I just tell more by feeling it than I do from a number on the thermometer but I know what you're saying. I just have done it for awhile that way I guess. Same way with a fresh rebuilt differential- you should be able to hold on the front housing where the pinion bearings are. If it's too hot, the preload isn't right or something is making it too hot. I know it's not scientific but you can get the hang of it.
Oil bath,is the way to go. I don't understand, why they went back to grease,on newer equipment. Hope you get back, on the road soon brother...stay safe
Oil can be better I think but it also has its own issues. The new Hyundai composite trailers are all oil bath but some reason they blow the seals out all the time.
@@JustTruckin you have someone using your logo and spamming your comments. You can see them posting a phone number above your comments and telling people they would like to ask them a few questions.
True, but I have had brake linings get contaminated from grease leaking just the same as oil and it's a lot more work to clean the bearings out properly with grease compared to oil imho.
@@JustTruckin I changed the Brakes on a 1 tone Ford Wrecker with the exact style of Spindle and Hub assembly and didn’t get the washer that locks into the slotted Spindle Nut like you replaced. I done the brakes and went on a wrecker call as soon as I dropped of the Huge Hoist my bossed owned. Anyway two mile down the road I went around the curve the lead to I-475 south bound and the nut spun so tight as I was driving literally got so hot it the Spindle actually Bent with the weight of the Dully Wheels and Tires. We called The Axel Surgeon as it was called then because the guy actually invented to way to cut the old Spindle off and had a jig setup so he could weld a new spindle on the rear end so it saved having to replace the Whole Rear End Housing. The guy ended up becoming a Millionaire because of his patented Invention for fixing Spindle while still on the Trucks. The Ford F-550 was new I was just actually doing preventative maintenance so I get it down and say well let’s do the rear Brakes because I did the front already. My Boss was the Hardest but Coolest Man I have ever had the pleasure of learning from, I say learning because he taught so much that I still use today in Business. He recognized something in me so he took me aside and thigh to me oh so hard but gentle. Louies Towing which his sons have now taken it over after he Retired as a Local Police Officer/ Towing and Repair Facility. He Dad Before Him Owned it and His Grand Father Built the Building and created The Company years ago so it’s now on the Fourth Generation of Family Owners. But I learn a very valuable lesson (if you can’t find time to do the job right the first time then how are you going to find time the second time).
ok first of all. I love the videos. But I have to chime in here. this failure was not because of it being grease. the failure was because of improper installation of that protorque nut 100%. There is a reason why trailer manufactures give longer wheel end warranties with grease vs oil. because its better. when properly done with a good synthetic grease that hub will last for years with no issues at all. oil does have less rolling resistance and does a better job of cooling. but with oil there is no room for error. if you don't see that the seal went out on an oil hub, that hub is going to burn up instantly and you will either lose the wheel end or have a fire. if you actually do routine maintenance and get your hubs bumped and checked at every service you will notice a bad seal on a grease hub before a catastrophic failure. because grease is thicker and takes a lot longer to come out of a failing seal. and you should never reuse the orange clip when doing a wheel seal with protorque nut. they are one time use. personally the double nut method with locking tabs is the best. on some trailers the protorque nut doesn't thread on all as deep as it should so when you put the orange locking clip in there, it doesn't have a good enough hold on the spindle and then is walks off. in my opinion and from what iv seen in my career grease is better because there is a longer period to catch a problem. oil is good if you are religious about pre-trips and post trips. but we all no drivers say they do there pre-trips and post trips but every morning i watch drivers hook and go. just my opinion from what iv seen in my time in this industry. But keep up the good work and videos and lets hope the rates go back up soon!
@@JustTruckin ask away man. sorry it took a while to respond. im not sure how to DM you to be honest. but i would gladly answer any questions you may have.
Nice to see talk about the trailer what about your tractor wheel hubs when is the last time you check them don't the kids do the funny things and thank tank for making me laugh
Good call bud...have suggested going to oil since your first incident....glad the idea finally took!! It's something else you have to check on....but it should be alot more user friendly and less stress.
Yes I just want peace of mind
@@JustTruckin And you'll have it...one more thing to do on pre/post trip....but you'll have the peace of mind knowing it's all good...or catch something before it gets bad.
I used to LOVE starting the car as a kid. Beware though I also liked to take vehicles for a ride long before I was supposed to ;-)
😑😁
Yeah beware, i backed my parents car down driveway and across the street when i was 4 by releasing hand brake on our 1952 chevrolet
Hey Justin, the spindle damage came AFTER the bearings went bad. The weight of the trailer presses down on the spindle. The bottom of the spindle, the part facing the ground, is where the threads were worn off. The spindle was resting on the bottom of the hub. That is how the threads got worn off. The thread damage was the last damage to occur.
Another thing is that a prolonged hard turn to the right would cause the front set of wheels to push outward. The snap ring may have not been snapped in completely.
The nut backing off would allow the spindle to move outboard and that would definitely chew up the bearings.
It may be possible that the a bearing failed and it chewed up the rest of them in that race. Bearing material may have caused the nut to back off.
Humongous lesson learned here - Check your hubs every time you stop.
Enjoy your videos.
Came here to say this. Probably a cheap knockoff bearing installed before is why it failed. You were lucky, another 100 miles and you would have had a fire or lost the wheels.
I told him the same thing the first video on when they found the nut off. As well as he had a video before on his trailer getting work done on bearings. Then the guy doing the work on was a rookie and the head mechanic was on vacation. Rookie was not sure what he was doing was on a video. I said he probably didn’t get the lock ring on right 🤷🏻♂️
I think you made the right move switching to oil. I have ran both and in my experience I have had far more issues and failures running grease. My thinking is that the structure of heavy duty bearings used on big trucks and trailers are better designed for oil by being a more open structure to allow oil to properly move through the bearing which in turn means it doesn't hold grease properly in the bearing causing inadequate lubrication. Hopefully you are back on the road soon. Thank you for being out there doing what you do and taking us along!
Good call on switching to oil hubs, ran then for years never had a problem.
Learn something everyday! neat to see how the air system works, Justin! appreciate you taking us along for the journey!
Thanks for watching Joey
Saw more than one car that had the windshield/ roof stove in from truck tire hits. Never pretty when it happens.
Sometime around 2003 was running my pickup southbound on the NJ turnpike up by exit 14. Truck in the northbound lanes lost a wheel. Saw it bouncing and coming my general direction across the median and tried to lay down on the seat to duck/ no room to swerve... Before I could move, the runaway wheel bounced over me (taking out my CB antenna on the roof above). The magnet mount base and mast was all bent up in the bed of the truck when I got home. Never forgot the near miss. Pretty sure I almost died that day and have never forgotten it.
This happen to me in New Jersey on 295 . Tell u the very first thing u do forget the fire extinguisher it will never put out a grease or oil fire , call 911 then drop the landing gear & disconnect the tractor . I've seen people wait to long and realize it's too hot and too late to save the tractor
I just wanted to say man what you did for that driver Dave last week was awesome Justin...you a good husband and father bro...Merry Christmas to you and your family 👪🎄🎁
Thank you Jo
Duke, from Anaheim,CA while running OTR back east in 1977, I did drop n hook late at nite, and did not chk Hub Oiler, next afternoon I see smoke coming from trlr rt hub as i drove past trk stop on interstate. Hiked back 1\2 mile to trk stop and had road service come remove wheel and drive back to shop and replace bearing and race, luckily spindle ok. Always chk oil level every trip for any leakage. I learned the hard way when you dont chk stuff my rookie year driving.
When you're backing into a dock, or a spot at a truck stop, the front-drivers side hub on the trailer takes all the stress of the trailer swing, and there's never enough room, so it's always a hard turn. That's why it wears out faster, and the drivers side will generally wear out quicker. ( no one likes doing blind backups) Hope that helps ...
Thinking the same 🙏🏽
@@JustTruckin Yep ... heavy loads on that really course asphalt will make the trailer "hop" ... That's when you tear chunks out of your tires, and pop threads on axles ... Seriously ... that's why the threads were missing on the bottom ... where all the weight is ...
Oil is the way to go. You should see a reduction in the temperature of the spindles. Make sure to check them often, especially now that everything is new. This will set the baseline. Then if you see things starting to change you will know how much and will be able to address any issues before they fail. Good luck and thanks for sharing.
When I was a kid a big rig went to pass our school bus and a set of tandem from the trailer got loose & slammed into the back of our school bus it went all the way under the big blue bird bus knocking the bus rear axle tandem about 3 foot further under the bus. He'll of of a hit too., like a bomb going off under our bus!
Luckily no one was hurt.
Dang 😑
Since the issue is on left side I would dig deeper and make sure suspension bushings in arms are ok, then check alignment.... TS and PS
Thank you bud
One thing to remember with oil when you do your pre and post trip check the inside of tires to see if it’s leaking at least with oil you will catch if your seals are bad with oil spat on the inside of tires
Gr8 Content 4 many ppl who have NEVER seen this happen!!!!!!😎💯
One positive thing has come out of this is you’ll have fully confidence in your trailer now for sure!!!! Hopefully you’ll be able to get some good loads before Xmas!!!! You’ve definitely earned it!!!
Just had to get the spindle Dr out to replace one of mine axels
Turning sharp U-turns in a parking lot causing lateral pressure rather than linear motion that an axle is accustomed and designed to do. Pressure is against the axle and the bearings don’t work as designed.
The bearings are tapered to accommodate lateral/ axial loads. Yes, turns do impart lateral loads on things. But not quite right to say that the axel and bearings are not designed for lateral loads. Many trailers get multiple millions of miles on similar designed bearings and axel sets while routinely having made making sharp turns over that lifespan. Probably shouldn't get drivers worried about turning their trucks around at slow speeds.
Justin another very instructive video. Tank is growing up so fast. Hug those boys and T Dubbs. Keep doing and teaching. 😊
Remind me to tell you about the year we spent in Valdosta one week while waiting for a driveshaft.
A few years ago,. a Maine state trooper was killed by a set of trailer tires coming off a passing log truck. That maintenance is critical.
Rest Easy 😞🙏🏽
Thanks for the video, It is not fun when things take longer to fix, however sometimes that is what happens, you handled it well
I thought grease bearings on trailers were outdated, we have a few lowboys but they are old!
Guys one tip an experienced guy taught me is that when you stop, occasionally touch the hubs on your vehicle like where the hub cap bolts to it. The hubs should never be so hot that you cannot hold your hand on it continuously. If you can't hold your hand on it because it's too hot, it's telling you there is excessive friction inside and needs attention. (Except for maybe after a long long downhill run of course).
I have even been able to tell on one trailer some hubs with the bearing preload set too tight vs proper bearing adjustment this way. If the preload is set too tight, that will ruin your bearings prematurely also.
You could have has a previous person set the bearings too tight on you, or even got dirt inside the grease during a previous service and didn't properly wash out the bearings and repack, or just plain worn out.
I always try to set my preloads with a torque wrench following Stemco specs just trying to get them all repeatable and the same all the way around.
Learn something every day! neat to see how the air system works, Justin! appreciate you taking us along for the journey! Any update on David and his truck? I hope he gets back on the road again soon! STM and HAGGAI are the best people around for the trucking injury in SC and Georgia.
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I’ll have to look for those steering wheel guards. The top of the wheel on my 15yr old Tundra is worn out there.
God Bless you J’🙏🇺🇸, whenever you think of a Family going down the hwy and the thought of a tire or an axel flying through the air I’ll think of people like you who took the time, effort and spent the funds to make it safer all drivers, thanks 🙏 J’ 👍.
My husband has a recap tire blow. The whole truck and trailer (load of cardboard! Gone. Just a shell on the side of the road.
Sad 😞
@@JustTruckin but he made it out safe. 2 women saved him. God always does things for a reason.
It's called PRE TRIP for a reason. And it amounts to more than just thumping the tires. Over 39 years and 5.3 Million miles. NEVER a maintenance related shut down away from the Home Shop.
Well it's also called preventive maintenance which for me means fixing things small and big BEFORE it breaks,low fluids, hoses, etc.. etc...
5.3 million 😳
I’m hoping that the brokers are watching this and see what it takes to keep the goods safe!!!! I think you hit it just right for no catastrophic incident to happen your timing was impeccable!!!!!
Agreed Henry
In the good old days we had left hand threads on the left side so what's the chance after time it doesn't just spin the nut off
Justin, I sincerely hope for your sake that you don't have issues down the road by switching to oil bath but you're getting way too far ahead of yourself if you think that you're not going to have anymore issues in the future after switching.
You've had a few issues happen with various break downs after thinking that you had them solved so I think it would be a better suggestion to not get so confident in your repairs and be more skeptical in the future. This would be for your benefit from a safety standpoint because if you think that your problems are solved because you did a certain type of repair, you may get a little careless with your pre, post, and in trip checks to find issues.
And an example of this is probably going back to when you had a different spindle put on when your other one went bad (almost catching on fire I believe) but then you had to replace that one right away because the one that was welded on by that mobile mechanic wasn't done properly either. (At least I think you had to replace it again if I remember correctly. I don't watch every single video of yours so I can't remember for sure now
But also, it doesn't make you eat your words in the future.
Also, you keep talking about the situation as if it was a bearing that "let go" or went bad but why aren't you considering that this was possibly and even likely a problem with the way the nut was installed at the shop? Are you purposely trying to be nice about the situation? You mention that this place "does good work" but as others have pointed out, they are potentially the reason why this happened.
Since this just happened and they were just recently the ones that were doing work on these axles, how are you not considering that they are likely the ones that missed this?
Unless there is some sort of proof that the bearing did actually give out BEFORE the threads on the spindle went bad, I think you have to consider what others have mentioned which is that this whole situation likely happened due to improper work done from the previous "repack" of the bearings at this shop. This is likely from the nut being put on wrong or tightened improperly.
Others have pointed this out as well.
For those that have their preference of oil bath compared to greased hubs, you need to consider some things here when it comes to whether one is "better" than the other.
Sure, oil bath is "supposed" to be a better solution when it comes to overall cooling BUT THE PROBLEM IS, WHEN AN OIL BATH SEAL GOES OUT, THERE ARE ALMOST INSTANTANEOUS PROBLEMS OR CATOSTROPHIC FAILURES.
A greased wheel hub setup will typically give you more time to have that "oops" moment to deal with.
Another problem is, the majority of people simply won't do their pre, post, or in trip checks for their equipment so they don't even bother to check out their wheel hub assemblies, brakes, and so on. Or, if they did look at things, they don't even know what to look for in the first place so they wouldn't even notice if something was bad to begin with.
And as such, if an oil bath seal goes out, a person can head down the road and it will go bad right away and cause problems almost instantly.
Meanwhile, if it's a greased set up, a person has time to "limp" to somewhere.
In short, it's a way of trying to minimize the problem from the equation which is the owner/driver since they won't typically take the time to do what they are supposed to with their inspections.
For this reason, I think you made a poor choice in switching to oil bath. I know there are a lot of people that claim oil bath is the way to go but there's a reason why greased hubs are still around. They just plain work.
One thing that is different with you is that you will likely (or hopefully anyway) catch a problem if it does start because you seem to do a lot of pre, post, and in trip inspections. So, if you do have an issue, it won't get worse. But, you're the exception to the rule.
Again, I hope for your sake this is true. And I hope I'm wrong. But just reconsider switching back if you start to have issues.
I'm sorry to bust your chops so much on this but I'm just sitting here shaking my head because you're such a smart and capable guy that I just don't get why you aren't fixing these things yourself so this doesn't happen.
$4166.50 for this work? What the hell? I understand you couldn't probably weld a new spindle on yourself but outside of that, you could have done the rest of the work yourself.
I would be more inclined to think the threads where damaged and repaired they didn’t see the damage when they put it back together. Otherwise you would have seen more metal in the grease when they opened it up. Or as you said manufacturers defect. The axle road on the hub and wore the threads down and then was repaired. I have had both hubs and the oil hubs give the best indicator of problems. If the level starts to drop you see oil on the drums inside or out. If the bearings get hot the level will rise. If the oil starts to boil out that’s a bad indicator. If the plug pops that turkey is done. Good luck god speed.
Do you need to re-align the tandems now that you had all the work done or do they do that?
Are those bearing nuts threaded left/right on opposite sides of the truck?
If not, it may be the reason for left-hand bearing problems being more common.
When the wheel is turning anti/counter-clockwise, any slack will tend to knock the nut towards backing off if it is a right-hand thread - those on the right will tend to retighten instead with a right-hand thread. Engineering 101.
Either oil or grease can be used for bearings, the benefits with oil aren't fully used for wheel bearings, and need oil circulation through a filter so that any residue can be both easily removed (so it doesn't cause more damage) and easily checked and analysed (so you can tell if it is critical).
Also instead of replacing the spindle you'd think they could run a die over it and rethread it. Possibly needing to build it up a little first, or if they made a slightly smaller nut it would seem to be a cheaper / quicker repair.
If you have the means maybe you should order a couple extra pieces to that air system so it doesn't hold you up anymore I believe last time you were waiting on something to do with it as well
Justin I see that happened all the time around Dallas Texas area. Cause drivers don't check out there wheel bearings and brakes. Days ago one of the driver's spotted a Swift driver driving and the engine bay was on fire. And they was trying to get him to stop. The driver fled the scene but was quickly tackled by bystanders. I was like wow hearing about it I was outta the CB range. I heard about it when I got in range in my area. All the driver's semi drivers and dump truck drivers and hot shot drivers they are required to check. They are required to drive for 5 miles and check the temperature on the wheel bearings and brake's. We only had to fire one driver that was to lazy to do anything and I ended up terminating him.
This is crazy 😯
@@JustTruckin sure is and even Jackie and Jessie are stunned seeing the dash camera or video I send them from my cellphone. We are getting ready to head to Branson Missouri. Leaving Thursday Morning and everybody will be ready to head out. Will be staying there until early Sunday Morning.
when bearing went out the weight of trailer is on the bottom of spindle and it wore off the threads
Need more video and info on the oil bath for the bearings. I don't understand how that works, anyone else not understand that? OK, forget that, I see how it goes. Man, how lucky were you that you were able to catch this and not be out on the road. Good job on that. Gotta have the patience of Joab to be a trucker.
Nice to see Casper has made himself at home lol. Another good teaching video. Appreciate your time making them. Truck it safe brother 😎
IMHO that bearing locked up, and started spinning which forced the nut to start turning. Similar to how when a bearing fails, it can seize and cause the races to spin in the hub. Essentially mass failure and time for repairs.
So lucky we caught it
@@JustTruckin that's actually kinda why I don't mind when a wheel seal starts leaking. Tells you it's time to replace all of them and inspect the bearings on that particular trailer if you're not sure of it's history 100%.
I would just check the temp of the hubs with your hands like I mentioned for the first few trips after you get out at a fuel station or something like that and make sure it's all happy.
It's a good thing to check ever so often when you get out of the truck.
👍👍 Merry Christmas to your family buddy
@@scubasteve7946 He keeps an infrared thermometer on hand since the first spindle failure. He watches the temps like a hawk.
@@nothanx3867 yeah I remember that. I just tell more by feeling it than I do from a number on the thermometer but I know what you're saying. I just have done it for awhile that way I guess. Same way with a fresh rebuilt differential- you should be able to hold on the front housing where the pinion bearings are. If it's too hot, the preload isn't right or something is making it too hot. I know it's not scientific but you can get the hang of it.
Oil bath,is the way to go. I don't understand, why they went back to grease,on newer equipment. Hope you get back, on the road soon brother...stay safe
Would the left side take more of a beating since you do the majority of your backing from the left side?
Oil can be better I think but it also has its own issues. The new Hyundai composite trailers are all oil bath but some reason they blow the seals out all the time.
MOST TRAILERS USED TO BE OIL BATH ,80 TYS AND 90 .
Good beautiful evening brother. Wow crazy
i'm curious what temps the hubs are going to run at with the oil Vs the Grease..
Yeah me too
@@JustTruckin you have someone using your logo and spamming your comments. You can see them posting a phone number above your comments and telling people they would like to ask them a few questions.
I was going to say go to oil your last video. You can keep a eye on the bearings a whole lot better. As well as oil levels and color.
The biggest reason it broke you're using that aweful single nut i would always go with the double nut system WITH A STAR WASHER
I prefer grease for the simple fact oil bath if the seal starts leaking 9/10 you need brake shoes WATCH THEM FRESH SEALS
True, but I have had brake linings get contaminated from grease leaking just the same as oil and it's a lot more work to clean the bearings out properly with grease compared to oil imho.
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Thank you! You too!
I like the James Taylor music at the 12:30 mark.
Now to get red covers for the Dodge and hellcat
A wire brush and acetone will remove the old thread lock.
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Oil bath is for me the only way to go.
if the old line unscrewed and the new one wont go in tells me its the wrong line
HEY JASON WHEN YOU GET A CHANDE SOMETIME COULD DO A VIDEO ON HOW TO GET STARTED FLYING A DRONE THANKS ERIC
I converted all my hubs to grease. Much more maintenance free. But I do all my own work, with all the tools.
Right on
We back on the road yet ?
You won't have problems with oil like you do with grease
Man they sure are milking the clock, I could have done that job in a few days. If all the parts were on hand.
Parts and waiting on Axle Doctor was the issues 😑
@@JustTruckin I changed the Brakes on a 1 tone Ford Wrecker with the exact style of Spindle and Hub assembly and didn’t get the washer that locks into the slotted Spindle Nut like you replaced. I done the brakes and went on a wrecker call as soon as I dropped of the Huge Hoist my bossed owned. Anyway two mile down the road I went around the curve the lead to I-475 south bound and the nut spun so tight as I was driving literally got so hot it the Spindle actually Bent with the weight of the Dully Wheels and Tires. We called The Axel Surgeon as it was called then because the guy actually invented to way to cut the old Spindle off and had a jig setup so he could weld a new spindle on the rear end so it saved having to replace the Whole Rear End Housing. The guy ended up becoming a Millionaire because of his patented Invention for fixing Spindle while still on the Trucks. The Ford F-550 was new I was just actually doing preventative maintenance so I get it down and say well let’s do the rear Brakes because I did the front already. My Boss was the Hardest but Coolest Man I have ever had the pleasure of learning from, I say learning because he taught so much that I still use today in Business. He recognized something in me so he took me aside and thigh to me oh so hard but gentle. Louies Towing which his sons have now taken it over after he Retired as a Local Police Officer/ Towing and Repair Facility. He Dad Before Him Owned it and His Grand Father Built the Building and created The Company years ago so it’s now on the Fourth Generation of Family Owners. But I learn a very valuable lesson (if you can’t find time to do the job right the first time then how are you going to find time the second time).
ok first of all. I love the videos. But I have to chime in here. this failure was not because of it being grease. the failure was because of improper installation of that protorque nut 100%. There is a reason why trailer manufactures give longer wheel end warranties with grease vs oil. because its better. when properly done with a good synthetic grease that hub will last for years with no issues at all. oil does have less rolling resistance and does a better job of cooling. but with oil there is no room for error. if you don't see that the seal went out on an oil hub, that hub is going to burn up instantly and you will either lose the wheel end or have a fire. if you actually do routine maintenance and get your hubs bumped and checked at every service you will notice a bad seal on a grease hub before a catastrophic failure. because grease is thicker and takes a lot longer to come out of a failing seal. and you should never reuse the orange clip when doing a wheel seal with protorque nut. they are one time use. personally the double nut method with locking tabs is the best. on some trailers the protorque nut doesn't thread on all as deep as it should so when you put the orange locking clip in there, it doesn't have a good enough hold on the spindle and then is walks off. in my opinion and from what iv seen in my career grease is better because there is a longer period to catch a problem. oil is good if you are religious about pre-trips and post trips. but we all no drivers say they do there pre-trips and post trips but every morning i watch drivers hook and go. just my opinion from what iv seen in my time in this industry. But keep up the good work and videos and lets hope the rates go back up soon!
Great info bud thank you 🙏🏽
@@JustTruckin ask away man. sorry it took a while to respond. im not sure how to DM you to be honest. but i would gladly answer any questions you may have.
Always something!!
Wooden smooth wheel would be best ! Never gotta worry about it again
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Hey what’s up bro how are you?
Hey Justin I'm sorry about your trailer Justin OMG
Nice to see talk about the trailer what about your tractor wheel hubs when is the last time you check them don't the kids do the funny things and thank tank for making me laugh
Yes they do
@@JustTruckin when was the last time you had it checked
hang on in there jt, no cheap loads. the brokers are trying to punk hard working folks
I like Casper 🎂
OIL IS THE BETTER WAY TO GO GREASE WILL DRY OUT OVER TIME.
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Pretty sure that trailer was not a reefer. 🤨
Grease is better then oil bath you just have to regressed the bearings every 50000 miles bud
a reefer ?? watt a finn wall for a reefer
@Justruckin ask the question
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All these nuts n' bolts need to be TOR1UED to spec.
Great info as always Justin. Btw for someone who's not a douche bag you do have douche bag personal vehicles.