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Its actually my wallet thats scared of saltwater not me
Feel you bro
@A M you couldn't own a fish tank in a communist one🤷♂️
joey please keep away from the copper banded butterfly fish they are almost impossible to keep in aquariums and they tend to starve if they dont have any aiptasia in your tank and if you dont get any coral you're not goin to get any aiptasia so i would'nt recommend that
Melwin Magnusson Agreed, they always waste away....
Every time I watch one of Joey's salt water videos I am less and less afraid to make the switch. Very encouraging.
I love my Coral I could never 100% go back to freshwater
@@J-O-H-N I've just been so intimidated because I would never want anything I did to kill a fish, and I heard it's very complicated to balance until now. All I've kept for years and years is cichlids. Time to believe in myself and branch out! :)
@@NO-ve4tb the biological filtration is still the same converting ammonia to nitrite to nitrate.. fish only fresh or salt.
The hard part is with coral controlling alkalinity pH salinity calcium magnesium phosphorus and more important now temperature
@@NO-ve4tb I'd say make the switch take your time most important be very patient starting up for example properly curing your rock for 3 months... Good stuff happened slow bad stuff happens fast
@@J-O-H-N I think I should definitely start with fish only and go from there! I have a ton of research to do now.
I understand the point you're trying to make, but a 500ish GPH canister filter on a 120g tank with 0 live rock and using well water doesn't seem like a great idea for long term. Either way, still curious how this turns out.
Without adding anything to make up the additional water flow he's going to have a hard time with certain corals.. fish only he should be okay just as long as he doesn't have an ammonia spike
pH will also be pretty low too without surface agitation and a protein skimmer
J O H N I don’t think he mentioned adding coral.
Dave S Where did I mention coral?
That floating rock up top looks so good.
Please don’t get a copper banded butterfly. They have such a poor survival rate and generally die quickly. It’s cruel to take these ones from the ocean!
Or do your research
100% agree. Unless they're captive bred (not sure if anyone has successfully bred them in captivity) they shouldn't be kept, they don't live long in captivity...It's wrong to take wild fish from their natural habitat so they can live shorter, less quality lives in a tank.
Especially not this guy he switches tanks like he changes underwear, just imagine how many fish have died on his watch all to keep his channel alive
@@sportsbro2220 He changes the fish and scapes but he's not killing them he rehomes them or something along the lines of that. AND he could most definitely keep copper banded butterflies correctly if he wanted to
Get rid of the hydrometer and get a refractometer.
True...i hate those things. You have to clean them very good after every dip or the results will be wrong because of the incrusted salt.
I use both. and have always. i have shown them both in many videos and how they work.
Did anyone else think for the first 5 minutes after the aquarium was up and running that there were two fish swimming around the tank? Turns out it was just light reflecting off the glass from the camera! 😂😂😂
Guilty
Please do coral at some point. I’m really interested into getting into it.
You already got a tank set up?
If ur interested in coral or any reef tank please do not follow his advise look up a real reefer fishofhex he is extremely knowledgeable
he has done coral before
Took me 7 years to get good at it, definitely a marathon not a sprint type of hobby
Ummmm…. Do you think there’s no one else on RUclips? This guy is just a band wagon boy who decided to get into saltwater for the views. Not because he knows much of anything on his own.
I can understand why people think the common salty tank is the "pile o' rocks" style, but the best salty tanks are the ones with rocks that are thoughtfully planned out for maximum filtration, and fish safety and comfortability. Maverick Tide, here on RUclips has/had a beautiful 10 gal pico tank on his channel years ago.
deadeye4047 I love saltwater but a lot of saltwater tanks have very similar scapes just a pile of rocks and maybe some coral. I Rarely see tanks that look different and I don’t know why. Like in fresh water you can see a lot of thanks that look very different from each other
You said in the last goldfish update, you're gonna get them back. It's been 3 years
That's totally not the way I would like my saltwater tank to be. Feels a lot like something I saw in zoos when I was a kid when saltwater was just algae rocks and colorful fish. I get the feeling you just don't want to read into the modern way of saltwater aquariums and stay with deprecated knowledge. Maybe you just don't have the time but for me this is not very attractive :-/
Nils Neumaier opinionated much?
He already kept a reef tank successfully for a few years on his channel using all of the bells and whistles.
The entire point of this is to show the simpler side.
ANOTHER saltwater aquarium he will take it down within the month watch
Wouldn't be the slightest bit surprised.
What was this tank last week?
I was screaming inside with this video, he literally just showed everything you shouldn't do when setting up a salty, 100% agree it won't last a month, the real time it takes to break in a salt tank is a couple of months, he's not in tune like he used to be
@@corzahazard444 i can show youlow tech reef tanks that are run on a hob
anyone who says saltwater is hardewr than fresh is tryng to scare people
thya can both be hard and easy depending on your setup
@@SK-sq5bk I find them easier than fresh in a way, my first was a low tech with only an internal filter that I changed the original media, never had a problem, I just wasn't happy with his info if someone was just getting into salt water
haven't done a water change on my reef tank in over a year. I just change my RO filters when I notice algae is starting to grow. I also slowly add salt solution when my salinity starts getting low, and necessary minerals like kalkwasser, etc . My skimmer keeps my water clean enough. My clean up crew and beneficial bacteria takes care of the rest with the help of NO3:PO4-X. Reef tank isn't hard. Just need more patience starting one. Most people run into trouble when they can't wait for the complete cycle to finish. The only thing you should throw in first into a saltwater tank is a skinned shrimp. Allow your ammonia levels to rise, and wait till the system can bring it down and keep it down.
I want a copperband so bad but I hear so many horror stories about them dying within a few months no matter how good the aquarium is established. Would love you to prove this wrong to give me the confidence to buy one! 😊
If I had that background you can bet your ass all my fish would find a way to get behind it.
the corals bug me. it looks liike they just put this together just to tap into salt water. compare there freshwater background to this. it just looks like they put more effort into the freshwater. jmo but im not saying looks bad.
Saltwater pro tip: Use rodi/distilled water to clean off the salt residue on the front of your tank with a clean towel.
Mandarin goby pretty please :) I think you may need live rock though! Royal gramma :) coral beauty is a stunning fish!
Crushed coral can injure mandarins skin. They need a really fine sand or bare bottom with an established live rock scape full of copepods.
Rubymoon286 thanks for the explanation :) my sister is into saltwater, that’s where I saw one. I just thought they were gorgeous but he shouldn’t get one if his set up isn’t going to be what it needs. I do know my sisters tank had alot of live rock as well as coral and a thriving copepod colony. 😁
You will have to keep it up and running and successful for at leaat 2-3 years to prove it works.
There's many many skimmerless tanks running on canisters that have ran for years
Hated the background out of the tank! Loved it in the tank!!! Lools great!!
Me too i was like eww no thats never gna look natural in a bizilion years but in and finished it looked proper. Xx
Joey I've followed you for ages on the tropical side of fish and recently started salt water just before you so I love that your now doing salt also 😁 top work fella UK here
Can you please get into corals, they make saltwater tanks way cooler
I honestly prefer my freshwater hobby over the salt. 40g salt, but I have 200g of freshwater overall.
How come? I find salt to have more variety
Copperband are hard to keep. They are very picky eaters. I know forsure if anyone can do it The King can. If you want to enjoy it more and "father" it less, consider different stocking. Can't wait to see what you do.
Dose amphipods and copepods, rubble behind background for habitat, and some holes to let pods move in and out?
Joey. Just do coral please! They are beautiful and not replicable by plastic. I promise you’ll fall in love with them it’s right down your alley
He's kept a reef tank before on the channel.
@@NeptuneRjo it was to difficult for him
@@Sativa098 Dont remember him mentioning that when he said there was no more space in the room it was in
@@Sativa098 na he just didnt have enough space
Not a fan of the floating rock looks out of place
Hah! I love how you were totally put off by the background, because it looks great! Has a total saltwater vibe.
I sat up my first saltwater aquarium a few months ago. What I’ve learned is you NEED an auto top off, bite the bullet and get at least an RO system, the cycling process is different compared to freshwater, corals and fish need dipped to remove parasites, and don’t impulse buy!!!!!
DON'T do butterfly fish please! They are so hard to keep and require a lot of attention. It will be the wrong signal to starters in the saltwater hobby. The average butterfly only lives a few months once it's taken out of the ocean.
I really hate bare bottom tanks, to me it looks unfinished. No hate just my opinion!
For me they always look like quarantine or seller tanks.
Kevin1993 I completely agree
thank you Joey. I'm nervous about salt and I appreciate the lesson
I actually really like the background I would maybe position the foreground rocks differently so it didn’t look so evenly measured out but I like it! I can’t afford salt tanks so I will live through you!
I really like this tank Joey, like 10/10. That blue background and the top piece u put in really does the trick
What happened to solid gold aquatics?where is jennie?Is she dead
Osvaldo and the turtle and kitty I was wondering too...
@@fathomthefishy-5701 same
The saltwater vs freshwater discussion centers around keeping a reef aquarium, not necessarily just a saltwater fish only systems. In my experience, keeping a reef system is the most difficult, requires the most time and patience, and is my personal favorite. To each his own, I love the aquarium hobby.
I do agree fish only systems are easier to maintain but an aquascaped aquarium is just as difficult to maintain as a reef aquarium don't you think?
By aquascaped tanks, I’m assuming you mean planted tanks. While it is time consuming, not necessarily difficult - with corals you have to have the right parameters with salinity, calcium, phosphate, lighting, flow...amongst many things. This is why reef tanks use sumps to house equipment like skimmers, reactors, refugiums, and much much more. It’s a whole other ballgame.
@@g_the_status1474 No, an aquascaped tank is not just a planted tank.
Technically aquascaping refers to the scaping of the tank (salt or fresh) with gravel, sand, rocks, wood, plant, corals, etc. I’m trying to understand what you meant by aquascape being harder to maintain than a reef tank.
@Pigpen Deluxe not neseserly a soft coral tank is going to be easier than a high tech iwagumi tank with a diffucult to keep carpeting plant and sensitive fish.
and coral and plants are 2 diffrent things. coral have diffrent requirements than plants
The butter fly fish you were looking at last a couple months in captivity max and 10 years in the wild but they are pretty
This, please don't do a Copperband. They are very pretty but have an unreasonably high mortality rate.
Joey don't make the mistake most hobbyist do and be overconfident in your keeping.
Copperbands are very delicate fish which need a REAL REEFTANK for their long term survival.
Plus the tank has to be atleast 2 years old better 3, for them to pick on stones and get the small crustations they need.
Such sterile tanks like you have will offer nothing for them.
Well copperbands can be kept in a fowlr but I get what your saying. Especially if not 100% sure will eat Frozen or even other prepared foods. But if only eating pods then yea a reef or constant orders for more pods lol. But agreed in general idea
Anybody else want to see an anemone, coral reef and clownfish aquarium?
He's already done that setup though a few years ago
I am super excited to see this tank setup. I've been wanting to try saltwater but was worried about using a canister filter for it as everyone online says it's a bad idea. It's nice to see how you are doing this setup so that people like me who want to try saltwater have some ideas to go off of.
Copperbands are not for beginners.
Free Vegan tbh the mortality rate is that poor they’re not for anyone and should be left in the ocean
@@marksmith566 I agree
I actually thought the same thing about that background, but it does look great! Maybe 3 too many "rocks" on the substrate. Less is more
Copper bands are sooooo cool but their survival rate in captivity is extremely low... even for experienced hobbyists.. maybe look into something more likely to live? Love the videos!
Brayden Torp yea especially for him, he is a noob at saltwater reef tanks
@@sportsbro2220 He’s been doing it for years. He literally said he has had the equipment for 3 years now.
That floating rock is so freaking cool 😎 I love ❤️ that tank! I’m not familiar with saltwater fish so I’m excited to watch and learn. My fiancé may not agree Lol 😂 I now have a 6 gallon Bio-Orb guppy tank on my nightstand, a 29 gallon and a 40 gallon in the pet room. Those are filled with more guppies and goldfish 😍 but... I want a BIG show tank in the foyer! My dream fish 🐟 is a Pima but my house isn’t big enough Lol 😝 Thanks for bringing us along your journey 😎
If you get a cooperbanded butterfly make sure it’s eating at the LFS first before you grab it. Other than that you should get a Pakistan butterflyfish because it’s not your typical yellow fish, it’s dark brown with a unique pattern. Also should get a yellow longnose butterfly fish because it doesn’t look like your typical butterfly due to its long beak.
Keep coral will be more challenge..🤣
Don’t get a Copper band butterfly. It will must likely die and you our encouraging others to get the fish. It is extremely hard to keep.
Hey Joey I've always wanted to start a saltwater tank but would like you to do a full series on what equipment can be used and what it does from start to finish so if for instance I wanted to do a sump set up how would I set up a sump, I always find the way you explain it all seems to sink in and it's hard to keep my attention 🤣😂 thanks for all the hard work you do and taking us all on your journey 👑
You have the equipment to do a saltwater set up the right way. Stop setting people up for failure. Also use a refractometer not those unreliable swing arm meters. Smh
Golden Semilarvatus, saddleback, longnose, pearscsle, pyramid, heinochus are my favorite butterflies
FLAME ANGEL!!
Heinechus butterfly fish !
I agree that background looked pretty bad outside the tank. Inside the tank and with it all setup I like it alot.
Hey joey!! I’m just wondering if you could do a step by step process for saltwater water change ? Thinking of starting a saltwater tank for predators and want to learn as much as possible before I start one up and then potentially kill all my fish accidentally. Thanks Joey love your videos ♥️ keep it up 🔥
Ah you hawe fallen in to the dar-salt* side
If you are not going to have corals then you are not teaching anything significant. Keeping fish is almost the same but keeping a reef is the real deal.
I'm not a huge fan of the hollow background/rocks over dry rock/live rock. It looks kinda cool, but the hollow background/hollow rocks seems like a perfect storm to catch algae and waste, and doesn't give the same benefit as reef rock a far as biological filtration.
That aside, as far as fish go, coral beauty angels and flame angels are beautiful beginner fish. I'm also a big fan of copper banded butterflies and thread fin butterflies
Joey, that canister filter is common. I used those before getting an fx6. A common problem I had with that was the hose attaching to the in and out ports constantly slipping of even being pushed all the way on and tightened as much as I could. Keep a wet floor censor nearby just in case it starts draining your tank on the floor
The original salt water tanks had no filtration. Just flow, macro algae and clean up crew.
Also. Fresh vs Salt. It's all in what you like and what you can afford. I'm in winnipeg. Salt water stuff isn't cheap here.
My dad always had some amazing salt water tanks and he said the same thing. Salt water is pretty easy if you're attentive because you almost always start with RO water, where freshwater that's not very common.
Of all the tanks to-date, I’m prob most interested with this project. Not BC I don’t massively appreciate the other projects but because of the animal selection specifically butterflies. They can be challenging to keep healthy...looking forward to it and the continued evolutions to the gallery as a whole.
Man Braddah J... I love this build simple and economical I love it!! This is definitely an inspiring video for me to get into salt much mahalo 🤙🏽🐠🤙🏽
That background tho. Looks so much better in the tank with water. If only the blue back transitioned darker in the center.
Maybe someone has said this already not sure. Corals & Anemones are hard saltwater fish easy. I'm a saltwater noob haven't had any problems with my fish... Corals & anemones are a total different story. Show me an easy way to keep coral and anemones and you will be my king lol. Hell would LOVE diy stuff for saltwater. have $1,000 in a 20 gal! figured better equipment would make it easier i was wrong.
Your issue is that it's a 20gal get 40gal cube will give you more room to play with for your corals in terms of phosphate, nitrates ect the small the salt tank the harder it is to grow corals your nutrient levels would fluctuate like crazy
@@MyTeaandCrumpets as soon as I get to a different apt I will upgrade. Sadly 20 gal is all I can hide at the moment and even that risks eviction. I know it can be done just not as a noob. But yes in a 20 gal even room temp swing can have detrimental effects even with heaters. I have managed to keep allot alive just haven't got to the thriving point. Still any DIY help or any help other than look what i can do!!! would be very helpful and not many in the salt water community do that. That's why I watch this channel (even though I have no fresh water anything) Joey isn't like look what I can do... He is like look this is how I did it.
even with coral it depends like an sof coral tank with cloenfish would be a lot easier to maintain than iwagumi tank with dwarf baby tears and discus.
not to mention diffrent fish and plants like diffrent water orematers. in sw its pretty much universal.
they can both be easy and hard depending on your setup
Joey: Salt is salt.......
Saltwater tank enthusiasts: What......no.......what.........djdjdjdndebsiwiebeb.........mind explodes!!!
LOL
Also cooper banded butterfly are a tricky little fish with specific care needs, but would like to see it happen
I doubt you’ll see this but if you do... You should do a self sustaining tank. One where all you have to do is water changes and feed them. Keep it up for at least a year just to show everyone it can be done.
Yes me too id love to see how it is done WELL and SAFELY so as to do best by your fish. I think the key is really low stocking but it would be great to have walk through and some inspo xx
I really enjoyed this i have nothing but freshwater an always thought saltwater was going to be so much extra work an a bit too expensive but this has me thinking about giving it a go thanks mr DIY
Looks lush and so realist 😍
the background looks great! and the floating rock is absolutely beautiful! lol
Butterfly fish are super hard to have success with in aquaria. Best of luck!
I remember when you made a comment in the past that all of your freshwater tanks had become almost species-only tanks or with only a few species. I feel like you are falling into a similar pattern here doing only butterflies and with the tang gang in the other tank. Maybe one or two butterflies, but why do all butterflies? You could get more variety and expose people to more species if you did something like a butterfly or two, maybe some clowns, a flame hawk fish, or something like that
I love both, but maybe it’s because I’m a rookie salt keeper. But planted tanks and some freshwater fish care can sure get as complex as saltwater. The only thing I’ve found is saltwater tanks seem to crash harder. I think it’s the abundance of life forms in comparison to fresh. When something dies and is left unmonitored in a small system. The whole system can crash. Same goes for fresh, but I feel it’s a little more forgiving. Dead fish won’t cause plants to die, but dead fish will cause corals to die.
What if you don't have well water. I have city water. I just want fish - not corals. Do I need a reverse osmosis water maker? I am thinking of a 125 gallon tank, which I have.
Ro would be best, declorinated will work for fish only, but the ro system will be a game changer.
I heard butterflies don’t do so good in captivity mate. Around 6 weeks max if your lucky compared to 10 years in the wild.
dolbyblustar “butterflie fish” is a very broad term, comprising of a huge number of species. Yes some don’t do well in captivity, but a number do great and live for years
Oliver A Thanks mate. I was reading about the long nose copperbsnd ones. Is it the case with those ones?
i would never recommend using a canister for a sw setup. you are going to have issues.
@Pigpen Deluxe not true, i ran 90 gallons SW with two SunSuns 2100 litre p/h and at first all was good. The maintainance that you should keep take so much of your time and the constant big water changes cleaning the canisters high posphate big algae problems and that sunsun UV is slowly disolving plastic in the water expanding algae growt further. Not to mention that this canister wont be enough for the media the aquarium needs if it is stocked for its gallons. The Decoration . . always avoid using unatural materials in SW aquarium. The dry rocks used usually provides much more surface for beneficial bacteria and are becoming live rocks at some point which cannot happen with that decoration at teh same point.
No water changes arent the only issue. You have to clean the canister filter pretty much weekly. The advantages of just a hang on skimmer are better than a sump. Canister filters just are a bad idea. More work less filtering
@Pigpen Deluxe it's not rocket science but it's not as simple as you want it to be. To be fair I keep coral and water changes alone do not do the trick. Phosphates will kill a tank with a canister filter. And weekly changes on 120 gallon tank isnt always realistic your talking 20-25 gallons a week. Plus cleaning a canister filter weekly. There are just easier ways. Idk why you are arguing that
@Pigpen Deluxe ok mister i want to attack people on the internet. first, you dont get coraline algae from a bad tank. im guessing youve never kept a saltwater tank. if you dont think phosphates are bad for a tank, IDK what to tell you. water changes are not the issue. idk how you are missing this. if you have to do much more maintenance than you usually do, because the method you are using isnt ideal, then why are you using this method? i do biweekly water changes on 150 gallon mixed reef tank. if without a doubt wouldnt run at all on a canister filter. if it was FOWLR. it would run, but would be MUCH more maintenance just to run a canister. this really isnt up for debate. yes, a lot of things worked 20 years ago that isnt practiced anymore.... because better options become available. i get it, youve never kept a real saltwater system and just want to spout things you think you know. but you clearly dont know here.
@Pigpen Deluxe and did i just get called a millennial on a youtube page that is mostly made up of...millennials? oh boy, you are out of your element.
I’m running a FX6 on my 75 gallon reef tank an having 0 issues so far
How long has it been running if you don’t mind me asking?
1 year
Don’t get copperband
Why not?
Michael Hinson they are notoriously harder to get to feed
@@michaelhinson5912 They usually end up starving to death in aquariums
Can you use a HOB filter? Like the Fluval 110
Start keeping corals then you will know the challenges
Thanks Joey for another new addiction! Doing some serious thinking about Salt Water. 😝 Lol
LMFAO! The ego remark " it's already big! " I like a person who clowns on themselves.
I have 3 freshwater tanks and 1 saltwater tank. I enjoy this hobby for 28 years. And i think it's harder to keep freshwater. 😉 Joey go for chaetodon collare. You will enjoy this fish. Keep up the good work 👍
Out of the tank, that backdrop is ugly; in the tank, looks kind of great.
Double Saddle Butterfly fish.
I kinda hate the backdrop :/ it's convenient but looks like a petco display tank scaled up
Hawaiian Butterflyfishies are a really cool species to look into!
It looked like you added 100 gallons worth of salt to about 15 gallons of water. This will cause it to precipitate. Salt should be added slowly and to the correct amount of water.
I’m so glad you made this video I was wondering myself if canister filters were ok for a fish only tank and you showed me it’s possible, I’m not quite ready for a sump yet.
sump is a much better route. or an AIO system that has a sump built in. canister for saltwater just isnt a good idea. look at all in one systems. they come in all sizes and are not are not badly priced.
Andrew Higginbottom ok thanks I’ll do more looking
Is there anyone else here who is subscribed but doesn't even own an aquarium?
Hey Joey, long time follower, love your vidoes. I just set up a saltwater tank. How do you do watrrchanges?
I’ve heard that copperbands are extremely hard to take care of. Also I would like to see a raccoon butterfly
That's cool. I've been following you since you didn't show your face on RUclips...lol. But seriously over the years I've learned so much from you. Thanks
Love butterfly fish!!! Pearlscales are great personally had one and loved it, the longnose is always cute, and dream one would be bluecheek.
Those are my favs
So many comments. Just want to say I'm really concerned about doing saltwater tank. So I'm really happy you're doing all these saltwater setups. As you go along it will allow me to learn...
They really aren't that difficult. I understand the concern, but I think once you dive in you will see its not as complicated as people make it out to be.
Especially if you start with fish and inverts only.
Do a live coral tank
Your going to love it. I have 5 SW tanks going right now 180g being the largest
I have a single reef ita cool
I've got a 300 gallon salt tank with 6 different butterfly fish , 2 Raccoons, 3 Yellow longnose, 2 Atlantic longnose , 1 Pearscale , 3 schooling banners and a big Copperband
They live together with some blue green and red mandarins, few cleaning shrimp's , hermit crabs and sea stars
Sounds nice!
@@jaysreef5721 looks nice to 😉
I think he should get some crosshatch butterflyfish they are so beautiful
Copperbanded butterflies are notorious for dying unexpectedly, there’s a lot of other butterflies with similar body shapes that have a lot higher success rates. Butterflies are super cool though, pearlscales are stunning and longnose butterflies have so much personality.
I’ve been running a budget saltwater tank for over 10yrs with no issues. Regular canister filter no sump or anything.