There's so many lost texts I'd love to read. Manetho is probably at the top of my list. Also the lost Mayan writings. Or the quipu knot writing system of the Inca, Rongo-Rongo of Easter island, the writing system used at Mohengo Daro, and Linear A. So much history is lost and it drives me a little crazy imagining all those ancient people crying out to us from the past in languages we just don't understand.
Those Rongo-Rongo characters/glyphs have always interested me. As you will know, there are only a few surviving pieces of wood with them on. Apparently, when westerners got there the people of Easter Island were burning them as fire wood as they didn't know what they said either...but a few were saved. Nice little selection Andrew.
Much history isn't really lost it's just mishandled by pseudo jewdo historians such as this dud. Manetho , for instance , calls Osarseph PETI-SET, one of many renderings of Sanskrit BODHISATTVA. Just as Hebrew JOSAPHAT. The Prakrit form BOSAT is rendered differently as JOSEPH/ AESOP / HOTEP / GUISEPPE. The Indian lotus was imported to Egypt and used to by the MOORish COPTS to adorn images of OSIRIS-PTAH just as the MAURYA GUPTAS worshipped ACHARYAS- BUDHA with the pink Lotus. Several ancient writers not aware of each other systems that the Ethiopians were a priestly class expelled expelled from India for killing their king. It is said that the second Ptolemy (Philadelphus), whose name is inscribed on Ashoka's edicts as being a willing recipient of Buddhism, helped the Ethiopian king Arkmenes or Ergamenes stop his class of priests from ritualistically trying to assassinate their king.
I do writeups and help some history/archeology channels on Mesoamerica: I have mixed opinions about Aztec, Maya, etc codices in these conversations: a LOT was lost, but there's still loads to read/learn too! On one hand, the general public at large really doesn't know much about Mesoamerica, and often are surprised to learn they had books at all, so stressing how much was lost due to the Spanish is important: Even amongst people who bring up the burning of Maya codices, they may not be aware that there were also large libraries in the Aztec cities of Tenochtitlan and Texcoco, for example (and realistically all large Aztec, Maya, Mixtec, Zapotec, Totonac, etc cities likely had some amount of texts: the relative obscurity of those non-Aztec/Maya civilizations is an issue too), and when you consider how much people mourn over the Library of Alexandria when that's a single library and we still have huge amounts of Classical records, it really highlights the absolute travesty that is the destruction of eveyr library across Mesoamerica (which was far more densely populated then most people realize, 20 to 30 million+ people, comparably densely populated to parts of Europe at the time) and the relative lack of surviving sources So while the general public may drastically undestimate the amount we've lost, I think often the conversations about that also paradoxically underestimate the amount that survives: While there's only 4 surviving Maya books/codices, there's thousands of surviving inscriptions in stone, which gives us a pretty large amount of information about the political history of the cities that the inscriptions are from or describe, especially when you cross-refference them from multiple cities. Granted, this is usually pretty dry, "On X Date Y happened" records, but it means that for certain sites or kings or officials, we have at least a semi-exhaustive set of bullet points of major events and history. And if people want more qualitative information then when it comes to the Aztec, there's many sources (believe I saw a stat once of over a hundred) written during the early colonial period by Spanish friars or indigenous nobles, scribes, etc (or often a combination of the two) which can go pretty in depth on history or information about culture and society: The Florentine Codex/A General History of the Things of New Spain for example is a 13 volume set totaling thousands of pages about Aztec ceremonies, deities, festivals, calendrics, astrology, society and class, merchantry, artistry, courts and judiciary, daily life, royal courts, medicine, botany, naturalism, speeches, adages, riddles, etc. Duran's "A History of the Indies of New Spain" is hundreds of pages of in depth history for the Aztec of Tenochtitlan (and is very affordable/accessible, you can get the whole thinng for like 20$), and so on (of course, since these were written by or under Spanish supervision/decades or centuries after the fact, reliability can be an issue, but self-glorifying, rival-demonizing, romanticizing, etc bias is an issue with all historical records: That's what we have modern academic historians, books, and annotations for!) When you look past the Aztec and Maya, and to a lesser extent the Mixtec and Zapotec (the 8 surviving Oaxacan codices give us similar information that Maya inscriptions do as far as political histories, giving us a pretty good generalized overview of 800 years of political history for the valley they cover), then yes, stuff is much more scarce, and there are very little sources for many groups but there's still some works like the above like the Relacion de Michoacan for the Purepecha; many towns have Relacion de Geograficas etc. And of course archeology can tell us quite a bit even when we lack textual sources. We have only tiny amount of scattered inscriptions from Teotihuacan which are mostly just contextless dates (or characters we can't read yet), but there are many, many gigantic books written about the city. I guess in conclusion I worry that when we focus so much on how much is lost we may end up discouraging people from checking out or being aware of what sources DO exist. There is still SO much to learn and read about, especially for the Aztec and Maya, and so little of what we do have or what's out there is taught or is generally known in popular culture/understanding, and I think improving education for what we DO have left really needs to be the focus. When we have dozens of centuries old sources that go into detail on things like the Florentine Codex or Duran's history there's really no excuse that most World History textbooks even in High school and colleges only spend like half a page on Mesoamerica as a whole. To an extent, the fact that a lot of sources only got English translations recently which are still in copyright is part of it (and the majority of sources STILl don't have english translations), but that only excuses so much and as far as I understand it even in Mexico much of this isn't really taught either outside of archeology classes. Anyways, I know you likely already know all/some of this, but wanted to say it for other viewers who may not. I found your channel recently, and I really respect how often you feature Pre-Columbian societies and sites, almost as much as Eurasian ones, most channels don't do that. Haven't had time to watch many of them yet, but you'll probably see me leave some giant comments on some of your Mesoamerican videos, or maybe even shoot you an email offering some resources. Let me know if you'd be interested!
For me a huuuuge one (maybe) is whatever else the Shang may have been writing besides oracle bones. The earliest Chinese script that we have is written on bones that were used for divination - a diviner would write a question on the bone, then apply heat to make the bone crack. The diviner would then interpret the crack to answer the question. The thing is that the script used for the oracle bones is complex enough that it was almost certainly in use for a while on other mediums, and certain signs are interpreted as referring to those mediums (for example the character ce 册 is thought to be a pictographs of bamboo slips held together with string). Unfortunately those other mediums were probably perishable, and none have ever been recovered. Who knows what they wrote about? A history from so long ago would have been fascinating. Maybe one was miraculously preserved and is waiting to be found somewhere.
@@WorldofAntiquity ahh that’s really exciting! Looking forward to it. Maybe this is a section in that video so I don’t want to trouble you if it’s already planned. It sounds like there may not yet be enough evidence to say anything concrete about what that other writing was used for, but do you know of any reasonable speculations or do you have any yourself? How would historians speculate about such a thing, or is it better to leave it until evidence is found?
The one I want to read is emperor Claudius 1's 'History of the Etruscans'. It would also have included an etruscan grammar and vocabulary, which would allow us to decrypt the language of this people.
BritainsHiddenHistory Ross Cymroglyphics 01 Overview…. In 30 minutes, learn how to read ‘Egyptian’ hieroglyphs. See also this YT channel to find out how to read the ‘Coelbren’ alphabet. (Etruscan / Rhaetian / Cymraeg). Caesar said that the Greeks got their alphabet from the Britons…. The Brutus story, etc…, etc., etc.
The one which peaks my interest, is a lost book written by Suetonius, he wrote a book on the history and play of board games within the Roman Empire, including some Ancient Greek games.
There is an ancient Sassanid book that is lost to history called the “Khwaday-Namag”, which means Book of Kings. It was commissioned by the Sassanid king Khusrow I Anurshiwan (Khusrow the immortal soul) in around 500 AD. At that time, there was a library in Ctesiphon, the capital, which was a capital city of both the Parthians and the Sassanids for about 900 years until it was replaced by Baghdad after the Muslim conquest in the 640’s. Now this book was written in the medieval persian language of Pahlavi or Parsig/Parsik, the predecessor to the modern language of Farsi. Around the year 1000 AD, a famous poet by the name Fedrowsi wrote the persian national epic the Shahnameh, which also means “Book of Kings”, except this is written in Early Modern Farsi. There is very little information in this book about the Achaemenids, and their fall to “Alexander the Accursed”, which was the Persian name for what westerners called Alexander the Great. It is believed that by that time, the persians had largely forgotten about their early ancestors from antiquity, and the ruins of the ancient capital cities such as Persepolis were attributed to mythological kings that are spoken of in the Shahnameh. For instance, they called Persepolis, the city build by Darius and Xerxes, “takhteh jamshid”, which means “Throne of Jamshid”, a mythological ancient king. If the more ancient Khwaday-Namag is ever found, it would shed light on just how much the Sassanids remembered about their Achaemenid ancestors and what else they may have known about them that is now lost to history. Today, there are only references to it in several Arab works, but who knows, maybe there’s a copy somewhere in some ancient ruin that has also withstood the test of time.
Famed 19th century poet and thinker Matthew Arnold,whose father was the principal of the Rugby school -actually at the very time when the famous football game named after the town was invented -wrote a narrative poem called "Sohrab and Rustem" which is based on an episode in the Firdausi epic.When I was at high school the poem by Arnold was in the English language syllabus in many areas of my state
It is known that in the Arabian Peninsula more than 30 civilizations, perhaps many do not know .. But the greatest of them was the civilization of Aad, which was sought by Arab travelers and orientalists The last of the Arab travelers who searched for this civilization was Dr. Eid Al-Yahya, who searched for it in the deserts of the Empty Quarter, as it was believed based on the words of some historians, and he found nothing in cooperation with Aramco He found a village called Qusairat Ad, and based on the name and its location near the Empty Quarter desert, Dr. Eid Al-Yahya believed that it belonged to the Aad civilization after radiocarbon analysis. The site is still a great opportunity for archaeologists to discover its secrets. For those who want to know the importance of this civilization to the Arabs, watch the story of Prophet Hud with his people and the characteristics of the people of Aad. Dr. Eid Al-Hayyi produced a documentary film about his discovery and a great opportunity to watch and criticize it, and it is translated into English and available on RUclips under the title: قصيرات عاد
I would love to have Deuxippus’ history of the goth invasion of Greece, Claudius’ history of the etruscans, and Berossus’ Mesopotamian history. Maybe we get something we don’t even expect in those Pompeii papyruses. Here’s hoping
"It is testified by Herdotus, Plato, Salon, Pythagoras, and Philostratus that the religion of Egypt proceeded from India. -- It is testified by Neibuhr, Valentia, Champollian and Weddington that the temples of upper Egypt are of greater antiquity than those of lower Egypt...that consequently the religion of Egypt, according to the testimony of those monuments....came from India. -- The chronicles found in the temples of Abydos and Sais and which have been transmitted by Josephus, Julius Africanus, and Eusebius, all testify that the religious system of the Egyptians proceeded from India." Greek author and philosopher Philostratus. -- Philostratus says that the gymnosophists ( Hindu sect ) of Ethiopia, who settled near the sources of the Nile, descended from the Brahmins of India. Eustathius states that the Ethiopians came from India, Appolonius states that the Ethiopians were sent from India and in the journal of Alexander the great it says "India as a whole beginning from the north and embracing what of it is subject to Persia, is a continuation of Egypt and the Ethiopians ". Godfrey Higgins - Anacalypsis. -- “By the pictorial hieroglyphic inscription found on the walls of the temple of the Queen Haslitop (Hatshepsut) at Der-el-babri, we see that this Punt can be no other than India. For many ages the Egyptians traded with their old homes, and the reference here made by them to the names of the Princes of Punt and its fauna and flora, especially the nomenclature of various precious woods to be found but in India, leave us scarcely room for the smallest doubt that the old civilisation of Egypt is the direct outcome of that of the older India.” - Col. Henry Steel Olcott. ~ " The land of punt in the Egyptian ethnological traditions has been identified by the scholars as the Malabar coast of Deccan ( India ). From this land ebony and other rich woods, incense, balsam, precious metals, ect, used to be imported into Egypt ". German Egyptologist - Friedrich Wilhelm. ~ "At the mouth of the Indus river dwell a sea faring people, active, ingenious and enterprising as when, ages subsequent to this great movement, these people coast along the shores of Mekran, traverse the mouth of the Persian gulf and again adhering to the sea board of Oman, Hadramant and Yemen, they sail up the Red sea, and again ascending that mighty stream which fertilises a land of wonders found the Kingdom of Egypt, Nubia and Abyssinia. These are the same stock that centuries subsequently to this colonisation, spread the blessings of civilisation over Hellas ( Greece ) and her islands". Edward G Pococke - India In Greece. -- The discoveries herein recorded should therefore appeal to the hearts and stir the religious and patriotic feelings of all educated Hindus who desire to know the first-found scientific proofs for the veracity of their Vedas and Ancient Epics (the Puranas), and to learn that their ancestral Vedic kings and sages were famous historical emperors, kings and priest-kings in Mesopotamia with multitudinous monuments still existing there to the present day. It must also be gratifying to the modern Hindus to find that the Vedic and Epic tradition which their ancestors preserved and handed down through the centuries, and in which they have steadfastly believed, is now proven substantially true, and has become a chief means of identifying as Aryans, the Sumerians, Phoenicians and Britons. " Indo-Sumerian Seals Deciphered - L.A. Waddell. ~ "The Greeks were always speaking of India as the sacred territory of Dionysus and historians working under Alexander the Greek clearly mentions chronicles of the Puranas as sources of the myth of Dionysus." Alain Danielou - 1907-1994. ~ " In the Vedic language we have the foundation, not only of the glowing legends of Hellas (Greece), but of the dark and sombre mythology of the Scandinavian and the Teuton" (Professor Cox, Mythology of the Aryan Nations, I., 52, 53). ~ "The oldest Greek writers, observes Sir William Jones, allow that their mythologies were not their own invention (As. Res. III. 467) ; and it is now certain that the early divinities and legends of Greece were the same that were possessed by their brethren in India. If Hegel calls the discovery of the common origin of Greek and Sanskrit the discovery of a new world, the same may be said with regard to the common origin of Greek and Sanskrit mythology “ The legends of the Old Testament - Thomas Lumisden Strange.
I'd like to have access to the rest of the Trojan Cycle. Also the rest of Sappho's poetry. Her work's loss is especially tragic, since it survived until the late Medieval period, but the Greeks stopped maintaining it because Greek itself had changed so much that her poetry was becoming nearly unreadable from linguistic drift.
As a Brit, I’d love to Pytheas’s travel account of his travels to Britain circa 325 BC, sadly lost. At present, no written sources exist for Britain prior to Caesar’s ‘Bello Gallico’ so this would extend our knowledge back some 300 years.
A cool question that led to a very interesting answer. As always, I had never heard about these lost authors. I would like this to become a topic: great ancient works that are lost. It would be awesome!
We both called out Sakunyatan (Sanchuntiathon), although I apparently botched up the pronunciation starting after minute 1 of this presentation - ruclips.net/video/RhmozcK92No/видео.html
This is actually a topic that fascinates me quite a bit. Because I don't know about any. The stories you tell of what we do know of the lost histories makes it so much more intriguing & mysterious. This might be a great thing to cover more lost history topics.
I love your questions and your thoughtful answers. This is not historiography, but I'm fascinated by Coptic and Greek apocryphal writings, and I'd give a pretty penny to read the now largely lost Apocalypse of Zephaniah.
Well makes sense its easy read História Augusta Especialy in comparison to Giant multi part series of books on " Boring subjact" Like Claudius 12 book s on Etrascans
I would love to read On the Ocean by Pytheas of Massalia. We would learn so much about Britain and perhaps Ireland and much about the lands of North Atlantic and North Sea, perhaps even Iceland (though it is unlikely he ever got there). And Hanno's periplus so we can learn how far he explored the West African coastline and what he saw there.
I would add to your list Berossus' Babyloniaca. Which was written like Mantheo's work in three parts. Even worst than Mantheo's work Berossus' book was horribly mangled, distorted etc., in antiquity and the fragments we have are a mess. We might have had a much better idea of the chronology of ancient Babylonian history if the work had survived intact. What has survived indicates that Berossus had access to ancient records and could read Sumerian etc. Sadly like with Mantheo the Ancient Greeks and Romans didn't seem to have much interest in the real history of these societies. I find it almost astounding that despite Egypt with its vast store of temple inscriptions and temple archives / libraries wasn't thoroughly investigated and studied by scholars learning, copying and studying the inscriptions and records. And in the Hellenistic period in Babylonia there were the archives and libraries of those ancient cities and again little interest it seems by Greeks and Romans in that learning. Instead the Greeks and Romans seemed to be content to repeat fantasies of Egyptian and Babylonian / Near Eastern History written about by Greek and later Roman authors rather than learn from the actual surviving records at the time. Regarding other historians whose writings i wish had survived. Well I would like to read the complete Annals of Imperial Rome and Histories by Tacitus. We only have incomplete versions of each. I would like to read a proper real history of the Roman Empire during the Third Century Crisis rather than the more or less crap that survived. I would also like to read a proper history of the Eastern part of the Seleucid Empire including the Bactrian Greek Kingdom for the period c. 320 - 50 B.C.E. Oh and I would love to read the Oxyrhynchus Historian.
Great question! I just recently learned about Sanchuniathon from Donnely's book. He claims that his histories corroborate Plato's kings of Atlantis like Autochthon, Atlas, Mestor, Mneseus, etc. But I didn't yet investigate what's the real story (because I don't believe Donnely a bit). But it's very interesting to see how many Phoenician stories appears in Greek mythology.
0:12 got excited there for a second since my name is Blake, but I had to remind myself that I haven’t left any response worthy comments (or voicemails) 😂 Love this channel, please keep the content coming Sir!
@@WorldofAntiquity thank you, i enjoyed it. even tough iam more interested now wether this library had really this kind of "humanities most valuable knowledge" focused or concentrated in this one library. i know it sounds kinda stupid (for explanation , see below) but the one real reason i got intrigued by this is that naval map of "piri reis", as far as i heard: historians are not interested in his particular map but rather the sources he used, because most of them can not be found nowadays, so they kind of try to find those informations on the map of piri reis.. for the library tho: on the other hand i begin to realize, that thing with "humanity lost so much knowledge, that we even dont know what kind of knowledge we lost" might be a myth..because i can imagine that people would have some kind of copies (specially) from important works/books and would kind of keep them on seperate places in the world, right? Rather than having everything at one place and risking to loose that knowledge once and for all , in case of a fire or some other reason. so in the end: i guess i gave the myth too much of a value. that was quite long, sorry . but i thank you for your time to reply to my previous comment!
Berossus was a Hellenistic-era Babylonian writer, a priest of Bel Marduk and astronomer who wrote in the Koine Greek language, and who was active at the beginning of the 3rd century BC. Versions of two excerpts of his writings survive, at several removes from the original. Using ancient Babylonian records and texts that are now lost, Berossus published the Babyloniaca (hereafter, History of Babylonia) in three books some time around 290-278 BC, by the patronage of the Macedonian/Seleucid king Antiochus I Soter (during the third year of his reign, according to Diodorus Siculus).
The two that have captured my imagination - as well as the contents of the library of Alexandria (slices from several different times) and the Library (libraries?) of the Maya and the lost writings of Easter Island - are the Chronicles of the Kings of Judah and the Chronicles of the Kings of Israel. On the one hand, from today's perspective, they could all turn out to be nonsense... but then, maybe not...
I would add the Book of Jasher(the real one, not the fake written in the 18th century) mentioned in Joshua - if it confirmed somehow the Joshua account, and possibly more, it would be most interesting
Yeah. Would be fascinating to have what seem to be source texts for parts of the OT. Even if they're nonsense, they could still be revealing about what Jews of the day thought. From a somewhat later date, if we're willing to include hypothesized texts: the Q source for the Gospels.
I would like to read eight of Mani's religious work because not only do we currently have them in fragments but also since most of his sources were made by polemics against his religion. Also, it might give us a glimpse of the transition from the Parthian to Sassanid Empire. Additionally, reading Augustine's work prior to his conversion from Manichaeism might give us another puzzle of his life.
One extremely interesting largely lost ancient text is the "Ora Maritima" of Pytheas of Massalia - a Greek geographer and astronomer. He flourished around 320 - 306 BCE and made an important exploratory voyage in 325 BCE up around the British and Irish archipelago. The eminent archaeologist Prof. Barry Cunliffe wrote about this in his "The Extraordinary Voyage of Pytheas the Greek" (Penguin 2002). He also draws on Pytheas's fragments in his authoritative work, "Ancient Celts" (OUP 1997). Pytheas appears to have ventured very far north as he describes Arctic ice and the midnight sun. Pytheas also has passages on the Celtic and Germanic cultures of NW Europe. His work consists of fragments in other peoples' texts. It would seem to have been rich in information. If we had the whole thing that would be really revealing about Iron Age cultures in NW Europe and also would expand our understanding of what the Mediterranean world knew about this far edge of the world.
"It is testified by Herdotus, Plato, Salon, Pythagoras, and Philostratus that the religion of Egypt proceeded from India. -- It is testified by Neibuhr, Valentia, Champollian and Weddington that the temples of upper Egypt are of greater antiquity than those of lower Egypt...that consequently the religion of Egypt, according to the testimony of those monuments....came from India. -- The chronicles found in the temples of Abydos and Sais and which have been transmitted by Josephus, Julius Africanus, and Eusebius, all testify that the religious system of the Egyptians proceeded from India." Greek author and philosopher Philostratus. -- Philostratus says that the gymnosophists ( Hindu sect ) of Ethiopia, who settled near the sources of the Nile, descended from the Brahmins of India. Eustathius states that the Ethiopians came from India, Appolonius states that the Ethiopians were sent from India and in the journal of Alexander the great it says "India as a whole beginning from the north and embracing what of it is subject to Persia, is a continuation of Egypt and the Ethiopians ". Godfrey Higgins - Anacalypsis. -- “By the pictorial hieroglyphic inscription found on the walls of the temple of the Queen Haslitop (Hatshepsut) at Der-el-babri, we see that this Punt can be no other than India. For many ages the Egyptians traded with their old homes, and the reference here made by them to the names of the Princes of Punt and its fauna and flora, especially the nomenclature of various precious woods to be found but in India, leave us scarcely room for the smallest doubt that the old civilisation of Egypt is the direct outcome of that of the older India.” - Col. Henry Steel Olcott. ~ " The land of punt in the Egyptian ethnological traditions has been identified by the scholars as the Malabar coast of Deccan ( India ). From this land ebony and other rich woods, incense, balsam, precious metals, ect, used to be imported into Egypt ". German Egyptologist - Friedrich Wilhelm. ~ "At the mouth of the Indus river dwell a sea faring people, active, ingenious and enterprising as when, ages subsequent to this great movement, these people coast along the shores of Mekran, traverse the mouth of the Persian gulf and again adhering to the sea board of Oman, Hadramant and Yemen, they sail up the Red sea, and again ascending that mighty stream which fertilises a land of wonders found the Kingdom of Egypt, Nubia and Abyssinia. These are the same stock that centuries subsequently to this colonisation, spread the blessings of civilisation over Hellas ( Greece ) and her islands". Edward G Pococke - India In Greece. -- The discoveries herein recorded should therefore appeal to the hearts and stir the religious and patriotic feelings of all educated Hindus who desire to know the first-found scientific proofs for the veracity of their Vedas and Ancient Epics (the Puranas), and to learn that their ancestral Vedic kings and sages were famous historical emperors, kings and priest-kings in Mesopotamia with multitudinous monuments still existing there to the present day. It must also be gratifying to the modern Hindus to find that the Vedic and Epic tradition which their ancestors preserved and handed down through the centuries, and in which they have steadfastly believed, is now proven substantially true, and has become a chief means of identifying as Aryans, the Sumerians, Phoenicians and Britons. " Indo-Sumerian Seals Deciphered - L.A. Waddell. ~ "The Greeks were always speaking of India as the sacred territory of Dionysus and historians working under Alexander the Greek clearly mentions chronicles of the Puranas as sources of the myth of Dionysus." Alain Danielou - 1907-1994. ~ " In the Vedic language we have the foundation, not only of the glowing legends of Hellas (Greece), but of the dark and sombre mythology of the Scandinavian and the Teuton" (Professor Cox, Mythology of the Aryan Nations, I., 52, 53). ~ "The oldest Greek writers, observes Sir William Jones, allow that their mythologies were not their own invention (As. Res. III. 467) ; and it is now certain that the early divinities and legends of Greece were the same that were possessed by their brethren in India. If Hegel calls the discovery of the common origin of Greek and Sanskrit the discovery of a new world, the same may be said with regard to the common origin of Greek and Sanskrit mythology “ The legends of the Old Testament - Thomas Lumisden Strange.
Two works I can think of that I'd like to see resurrected are Claudius' history of the Etruscans, and his book about the game of Alea. As an ancient board game enthusiast I'd love to see how some of these lost board and dice games were really played, fun as the reconstructions are.
There's a bunch, but I'd like to read Aristarchus of Samos's texts where he outlines his heliocentric theory. Clietarchus' History of Alexander is another one that I would like to read. Same with Eudemus' lost histories - History of Astronomy, History of Geometry, and History of Arithmetic. The Catalog of Women would be an interesting read, since Ancient Greece isn't really known for its heroines; Pollio's histories is another one. I'd like to read Zoticus' "The Story of Atlantis", but I can't help but wonder how that would affect the writings of, say, Igantius Donnelly and the rest of the crackpots. Really, anything by Anaximander, any of Aeschylus' missing 80+ plays, any by Diogenes of Sinope, Enoch, really any primary Gnostic text rather than the writings by the heresiologists, and others. Although those aren't necessarily about history. It is enough to make you wonder how any of these persisting into the present would have changed history.
I've always held out hope that technological advances would enable us to read the charred remains of the scrolls from the library of Herculaneum. Perhaps in that mess there are contemporary sources for early Empirical Rome, and the late Republican era. And maybe some of the "lost" sources we know from reference exist there. I hope they hurry, I'm getting old.
They are actually working on such tech. Some type of laser was used to decipher an ancient text that was rolled up & hardened that way (if I recall correctly). That wouldn’t work on fully burned scrolls, but should work on other scrolls too delicate/hardened to unroll.
Not a single work. But I would love to see a large selection of books and scrolls from the library of Alexandria that had been successfully hidden and preserved by ancient librarians.
I would like a first Tenakh, a first version of the 27 books of New Testament and a first version of the Qur'an, from before it was completely rewritten.
I'd go for something like the Pnakotic Manuscripts, but I'm late and a similar joke has already been made... (I actually thought Manetho's work had survived, as he seems to have been quoted a lot; that shows my ignorance of all those topics). Apart from ancient histories, but keeping it classical, I certainly would have hoped that the works of the great Greek sophists weren't lost...
Thank you for this explanations. But naming Manetho, you should also refer to Berossos. He wrote the Sumerian history. And naming these two men, we should also refer to the unbelievable datas that are mentioned in their kingslists. 68 kings reigned 432.000 years before the flood.
Hey David! Would love to hear an artifacts video about the stone spheres of Costa Rica. Haven't researched them much myself but I learned of them last night and I think it might be interesting to look in to as they could be certainly considered "megaliths" though I'm uncertain of the time period in which they were made.
I love your enthusiasm!! As an amateur history buff, i find your knowledge & happy willingness to share said knowledge with us... very exhillerating 😁 Thank you 💕
Such great questions... I keep on going to leave a voicemail and then decide it's not up to standard. Although this one is a bit frustrating, it's literally great works which have crumbled into dust. Especially after Cumae, I mean, a significant proportion of the Roman population died in that single battle, two Consuls died, it came after a string of humiliating defeats - that's some "spin" I'd have wanted to hear!
👍 This brings to mind one passage of Sagan's "Cosmos" that refers some lost texts from Alexandria, including - if I remember correctly - a History of the World.
Hola! Firstly, thank you for being a beacon of light among all the channels that more that giving light in truth, further confuse us (those of us who want to learn the truth about history.) As for the book I would love to read and hopefully somehow is recovered, is the third book that Plato wrote about Atlantis. Perhaps that one will give us the final say on the topic. What do you think? I would love to hear your thoughts. Thank you and have a fantastic day 😊
One of the things that always stunned me is the lack of internal histories from Achaemenid Persia. Are there any posited to have existed that we know to have been lost? Such a text would be a huge discovery to see the Persian state from the inside rather than from Babylonian or Greek sources.
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Sanchuniathon and Manetho are great choices! I would love if they rediscovered "The Telegony", the story after the odyssey and what happened to Telegonos Odysseus's son. And the writings of Pytheas of Massalia and his adventures around Britain all the way up to the arctic.
I would love to have the rest of Livy's History of Rome. On a more literary front it would be cool to have the Epic Poem about Heracles that actually codified the 12 labors.
We only have kings for like the past 3000, maybe at most some tribal kings and chieftains from 3,500-3,700 years ago. I don't even remember if the Indus Valley Civilization was even a thing 5,000 years ago.
Wow David another fantastic video maybe the lost history books that have been mentioned here were lost in the fire at the Alexandria library. Now there is something you could do a video on the library of Alexandria. Sorry but I don't have a lost history book that I would like to read.
Great subject! Think of how many texts must have been lost to time and the elements. I'd love to read an eye witness's journal of the Teutoburg conflict with Varos, assuming a journal existed.
There are quite a few Documentaries concerning the Council of Nycea. Finding one historically accurate when everyone involved had a dog in the fight..... A lot of politics going on in Rome had a lot of influence.
The Alexanders of Egypt. A Rick and powerful Greek family in expanding. Hence it being written in Greek. Along with input from the Roman's. Hence the lost scrolls being so important. The warrior messiah was re-written to be a priestly type instead of a warrior type. The Flavians had just come back from destroying the druids and their resistance and did the same to the Jewish people and their offshoot cult of christo("christianity"). This is what I've read and it seems very plausible. There are some good youtube videos about it. How Rome created "christianity" etc. Talks about how the father/son worship was already in practice and the priests of Rome became "christian" priests...hence the Pope still being called Potifex Maximus etc.
"The book of wars" which is mentioned in deuteronomy and other places in the Tanak AKA the Old Testament would be my pick. Or Marcion's evangelikon and apostlikon
Great idea! Here are my favorite two lost works: The first ever written commentary on Plato's Timaeus, by Crantor, and the work about the opinions of natural philosophers, by Theophrastus, the successor of Aristotle. Crantor is said to have believed in Plato's Atlantis, but we have no direct word by himself, and from Theophrastus we even have a direct citation of his work in favour of Plato's Atlantis, handed down to us by Philo (of Alexandria ...), which is really not liked by Atlantis sceptics because they have no good arguments to dispute it (therefore they often hide Theophrastus' opinion about Atlantis in footnotes!). Would be interesting, of course, to see these works in the original! -- Sanchuniathon is abused by certain Atlantis believers to have written about Atlantis, but this is not true.
During the fall of the Abbasid Caliphate in Baghdad, the Tatars flooded and burned its libraries and threw them into the river until it changed its color to the color of inks, which in its time was the core of science, in which there were many books and sciences that completely disappeared. Even during the period of the Inquisition and the killing of the Muslims of Andalusia, many important sciences were burned and they benefited from some of them These two periods had the effect of delaying scientific and civilized progress after the fall of Baghdad and Andalusia
I would love to see something found regarding the history of Teotihuacan. Perhaps their writing system? I imagine it was similar to Mayan writing. More evidence now shows more trade and political connections with the ancient Maya so perhaps there will be more discovered either under Teotihuacan or in the ruins of ancient Maya cities now either underground or covered in jungle.
@@WorldofAntiquity I really enjoy the level headed and academic approach to your analyses and explications. How you focus on the facts and arguments - rather than as most of the internet does (and a lot of publish scientific discourse - unfortunately) personal attacks or drama. There is a worrying dearth of such content out there, which makes it difficult for laypersons such as myself to find satisfactory and RELIABLE sources and experts who can guide me towards the most likely truths. So thank you!
@@WorldofAntiquity for example, your video rebutting Randall Carlson is possibly the only example I've managed to find that focused on his claims, rather than on him. I would love to see more rebuttals (as well as what he may, if anything, be getting right). Since it's very hard to be able to draw a line between the facts and the wild speculation he interweaves in his content. This makes it really hard to parse what is and is not realible information - when he presents data I've no way of knowing if it's real, and if the interpretations have any merit to them, so I end up disregarding everything - but I recognise that's probably swinging tok far to the other side. But lacking a barometer, it's impossible for me to stay sceptical and keep my biases at bay. And the fact that most content out there is focused not on debunking his claims, but on knocking on the man himself, it makes it no easier. I know you're busy and would never presume to dictate your uploads, and understand it's not really within the preview of Antiquity, but I would personally love to put a vote in to more videos in that vain. Specifically focussing on the catastrophism claims and the geologic evidence (?) as these are very widespread claims - thanks in no small part to Joe Rogan - and if be greatful to be able to sift out the misinformation. Wouldn't hurt your SEO, either haha!
Berosssus and Manethon original works about the History of Mesopotamia and Egypt could be very interesting. Just to think that parts of these works survived to the middle ages and are lost today is a tragic. A Byzantine monk like George Syncellus (8th century AD) had acess to some content of Babylonaica and Berossus' version of the deluge myth that is identical to Ziusudra/Atrahasis/Utnapishitin myths (rediscovered almost a a millenia after Syncellus time) and filled the gap of some obscure passages. It is the only version that preserved a tradition that the deluge hero and his wife were not the only ones who received immortality.His daughter and the ark steersman too had the same fate and were all separeted from mankind. That passage could well explain the origin of a obscure and amazing character from the epic of Gilgamesh: the maid Siduri who gave a carpe die advice to the hero.
Have you kept up to date with research into palimpsests? Within the last few years, a trickle of lost texts have been rediscovered including some fragments by Dexippus to name an example. Pertaining Dexippus, who wrote during 3rd century the Goths besieged Thessalonica unsuccessfully, then when to fight local Greeks at Thermopylae (unknown outcome) as the Goths were bound for Athens.
Im an aspiring/wannabe history buff. What would be your advice to someone that wants to form a rough outline of history between the Sumerians to year 0. Mediterranean to Iran. I wanna learn about the important kingdoms and event. I'm not ready for detail yet before I have the general overview. To make matters worse I don't read books but would rather see documentaries or audiobooks.
well, for the romans the peak of egypt was as ancient to them as rome is ancient to us now and what we know as greek civilization today, only rose a 500 years after the collapse of minoan, and mycenaean greeks so probably something on those lines I think
A very interesting question. Wikipedia has an interesting section on the origin and role of "ancient museums" in the "Museum" article. Apparently the earliest known museum dates back to 530 BCE, in Ur, and there were several other later on.
For me it would absolutely be the Aztec Codices that were burned or otherwise destroyed by the Spanish conquistadors. More early modern period than ancient history but it makes it sting even more that an entire people's meticulously recorded history and culture was wiped out by a conquering, genocidal force for basically no logical reason at all. It would tell us so much about pre colonial mesoamerica and would give the millions of native people still living in latin America a chunk of their stolen history back
It’s not quite the same, but a number of Central American peoples quickly adopted the Spanish script and used it to write histories of the Spanish Conquest, histories of their people and the region as a whole, and histories of their own villages and communities. They wrote in both Spanish and Nahuatl. A really great recent book that makes extensive use of these sources is called The Fifth Sun by Camilla Townsend :)
Can you make a video on south india , maybe in the future or when you are planning to do a video on india ..when talking history in india , most people ignore south and northeastern history ,it would be great if you can talk on the ancient south and spread the knowledge to a wider audience. I would like to see you talk on topics like trade in muziris Sangam era Chola military campaigns in the south east south indian linguistics kalaripayattu(one of the oldest surviving martialarts) similarities between tamil and korean And also it was interesting hearing about manetho , hope they do rediscover the texts
What about the book that is mentioned by carl sagan in that documentary about the library of alexandria!? Berberos of sumer,about the history of the human kind. Supposed to be three books that are lost.
Excellent video!! I have a question: could these works or any ancient works for that matter actually exist in copies that are kept in private collections? Is there any hope that they may actually exist somewhere now?
As I discovered your channel from watching you debunk some of my favourite ancient mysteries, I would like to ask... Are there any ancient mysteries that you truly find to be unexplained and intrigue you? I know there must be thousands of examples but I'm specifically asking about any Indiana Jones style artefacts or manuscripts. Thank you for your videos. Needs more aliens.
We ALL wish we could hear Eminem's first take on Stan back in the booth in the 90's. During the recording the booth sound engineer accidentally recorded over part of it so it was lost forever. Eminem went at it again and the words were changed considering he had not even written it down yet.
Somewhat germane here as a matter of an FYI. If people have a Kindle then one can find a lot of older period history available online = often free. Old books dating to say early 20th Century and before having been scanned into digital form by various historical groups are available. Thus for "history nerds" it is interesting say to read a book written in the 19th Century about say the American Revolution or the US Civil War - when those events were still "living memory" for the writer = to compare that to more modern accounts. It can give you insight which may or may not have been "lost" or overlooked in the more modern renditions of history. Of course one must always be mindful that an account of say the war written by someone who participated in it might not be entirely "objective" - but context is still informative and better understanding can be achieved by considering all possible viewpoints. 🤔
I'd really like to read Claudius' history of the Etruscans and Agrippina's autobiography.
Yep! Claudius's stuff!
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Tacitus. Son-in-law of Gnaeus Julius Agricola. The Scots cannot stand the fella.
When of knowing what he claimed.
@@kaarlimakela3413 "Yep?" Don't you mean "Aye, Claudius!"?
(I hear the autobio that Caveman also mention is a grippin' read as well...)
There's so many lost texts I'd love to read. Manetho is probably at the top of my list. Also the lost Mayan writings. Or the quipu knot writing system of the Inca, Rongo-Rongo of Easter island, the writing system used at Mohengo Daro, and Linear A. So much history is lost and it drives me a little crazy imagining all those ancient people crying out to us from the past in languages we just don't understand.
Those Rongo-Rongo characters/glyphs have always interested me. As you will know, there are only a few surviving pieces of wood with them on. Apparently, when westerners got there the people of Easter Island were burning them as fire wood as they didn't know what they said either...but a few were saved. Nice little selection Andrew.
Pretty sure quipu have been "translated" as agricultural records and keeping track of tributes.
quipu is not lost, there a lot of surviving examples and it has been mostly translated as record keeping
@@razzmatazz1974 ruclips.net/video/HrfKOQKyffE/видео.html for example...
Much history isn't really lost it's just mishandled by pseudo jewdo historians such as this dud.
Manetho , for instance , calls Osarseph PETI-SET, one of many renderings of Sanskrit BODHISATTVA. Just as Hebrew JOSAPHAT. The Prakrit form BOSAT is rendered differently as JOSEPH/ AESOP / HOTEP / GUISEPPE. The Indian lotus was imported to Egypt and used to by the MOORish COPTS to adorn images of OSIRIS-PTAH just as the MAURYA GUPTAS worshipped ACHARYAS- BUDHA with the pink Lotus.
Several ancient writers not aware of each other systems that the Ethiopians were a priestly class expelled expelled from India for killing their king. It is said that the second Ptolemy (Philadelphus), whose name is inscribed on Ashoka's edicts as being a willing recipient of Buddhism, helped the Ethiopian king Arkmenes or Ergamenes stop his class of priests from ritualistically trying to assassinate their king.
I do writeups and help some history/archeology channels on Mesoamerica: I have mixed opinions about Aztec, Maya, etc codices in these conversations: a LOT was lost, but there's still loads to read/learn too! On one hand, the general public at large really doesn't know much about Mesoamerica, and often are surprised to learn they had books at all, so stressing how much was lost due to the Spanish is important: Even amongst people who bring up the burning of Maya codices, they may not be aware that there were also large libraries in the Aztec cities of Tenochtitlan and Texcoco, for example (and realistically all large Aztec, Maya, Mixtec, Zapotec, Totonac, etc cities likely had some amount of texts: the relative obscurity of those non-Aztec/Maya civilizations is an issue too), and when you consider how much people mourn over the Library of Alexandria when that's a single library and we still have huge amounts of Classical records, it really highlights the absolute travesty that is the destruction of eveyr library across Mesoamerica (which was far more densely populated then most people realize, 20 to 30 million+ people, comparably densely populated to parts of Europe at the time) and the relative lack of surviving sources
So while the general public may drastically undestimate the amount we've lost, I think often the conversations about that also paradoxically underestimate the amount that survives: While there's only 4 surviving Maya books/codices, there's thousands of surviving inscriptions in stone, which gives us a pretty large amount of information about the political history of the cities that the inscriptions are from or describe, especially when you cross-refference them from multiple cities. Granted, this is usually pretty dry, "On X Date Y happened" records, but it means that for certain sites or kings or officials, we have at least a semi-exhaustive set of bullet points of major events and history.
And if people want more qualitative information then when it comes to the Aztec, there's many sources (believe I saw a stat once of over a hundred) written during the early colonial period by Spanish friars or indigenous nobles, scribes, etc (or often a combination of the two) which can go pretty in depth on history or information about culture and society: The Florentine Codex/A General History of the Things of New Spain for example is a 13 volume set totaling thousands of pages about Aztec ceremonies, deities, festivals, calendrics, astrology, society and class, merchantry, artistry, courts and judiciary, daily life, royal courts, medicine, botany, naturalism, speeches, adages, riddles, etc. Duran's "A History of the Indies of New Spain" is hundreds of pages of in depth history for the Aztec of Tenochtitlan (and is very affordable/accessible, you can get the whole thinng for like 20$), and so on (of course, since these were written by or under Spanish supervision/decades or centuries after the fact, reliability can be an issue, but self-glorifying, rival-demonizing, romanticizing, etc bias is an issue with all historical records: That's what we have modern academic historians, books, and annotations for!)
When you look past the Aztec and Maya, and to a lesser extent the Mixtec and Zapotec (the 8 surviving Oaxacan codices give us similar information that Maya inscriptions do as far as political histories, giving us a pretty good generalized overview of 800 years of political history for the valley they cover), then yes, stuff is much more scarce, and there are very little sources for many groups but there's still some works like the above like the Relacion de Michoacan for the Purepecha; many towns have Relacion de Geograficas etc. And of course archeology can tell us quite a bit even when we lack textual sources. We have only tiny amount of scattered inscriptions from Teotihuacan which are mostly just contextless dates (or characters we can't read yet), but there are many, many gigantic books written about the city.
I guess in conclusion I worry that when we focus so much on how much is lost we may end up discouraging people from checking out or being aware of what sources DO exist. There is still SO much to learn and read about, especially for the Aztec and Maya, and so little of what we do have or what's out there is taught or is generally known in popular culture/understanding, and I think improving education for what we DO have left really needs to be the focus. When we have dozens of centuries old sources that go into detail on things like the Florentine Codex or Duran's history there's really no excuse that most World History textbooks even in High school and colleges only spend like half a page on Mesoamerica as a whole. To an extent, the fact that a lot of sources only got English translations recently which are still in copyright is part of it (and the majority of sources STILl don't have english translations), but that only excuses so much and as far as I understand it even in Mexico much of this isn't really taught either outside of archeology classes.
Anyways, I know you likely already know all/some of this, but wanted to say it for other viewers who may not. I found your channel recently, and I really respect how often you feature Pre-Columbian societies and sites, almost as much as Eurasian ones, most channels don't do that. Haven't had time to watch many of them yet, but you'll probably see me leave some giant comments on some of your Mesoamerican videos, or maybe even shoot you an email offering some resources. Let me know if you'd be interested!
For me a huuuuge one (maybe) is whatever else the Shang may have been writing besides oracle bones.
The earliest Chinese script that we have is written on bones that were used for divination - a diviner would write a question on the bone, then apply heat to make the bone crack. The diviner would then interpret the crack to answer the question.
The thing is that the script used for the oracle bones is complex enough that it was almost certainly in use for a while on other mediums, and certain signs are interpreted as referring to those mediums (for example the character ce 册 is thought to be a pictographs of bamboo slips held together with string).
Unfortunately those other mediums were probably perishable, and none have ever been recovered. Who knows what they wrote about? A history from so long ago would have been fascinating. Maybe one was miraculously preserved and is waiting to be found somewhere.
I'm working on an oracle bone video for my Artifacts series!
@@WorldofAntiquity ahh that’s really exciting! Looking forward to it.
Maybe this is a section in that video so I don’t want to trouble you if it’s already planned. It sounds like there may not yet be enough evidence to say anything concrete about what that other writing was used for, but do you know of any reasonable speculations or do you have any yourself? How would historians speculate about such a thing, or is it better to leave it until evidence is found?
@@ecta9604 I will tell you what I know when I can.
@@WorldofAntiquity thank you!
The one I want to read is emperor Claudius 1's 'History of the Etruscans'. It would also have included an etruscan grammar and vocabulary, which would allow us to decrypt the language of this people.
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The one which peaks my interest, is a lost book written by Suetonius, he wrote a book on the history and play of board games within the Roman Empire, including some Ancient Greek games.
There is an ancient Sassanid book that is lost to history called the “Khwaday-Namag”, which means Book of Kings. It was commissioned by the Sassanid king Khusrow I Anurshiwan (Khusrow the immortal soul) in around 500 AD. At that time, there was a library in Ctesiphon, the capital, which was a capital city of both the Parthians and the Sassanids for about 900 years until it was replaced by Baghdad after the Muslim conquest in the 640’s. Now this book was written in the medieval persian language of Pahlavi or Parsig/Parsik, the predecessor to the modern language of Farsi. Around the year 1000 AD, a famous poet by the name Fedrowsi wrote the persian national epic the Shahnameh, which also means “Book of Kings”, except this is written in Early Modern Farsi. There is very little information in this book about the Achaemenids, and their fall to “Alexander the Accursed”, which was the Persian name for what westerners called Alexander the Great. It is believed that by that time, the persians had largely forgotten about their early ancestors from antiquity, and the ruins of the ancient capital cities such as Persepolis were attributed to mythological kings that are spoken of in the Shahnameh. For instance, they called Persepolis, the city build by Darius and Xerxes, “takhteh jamshid”, which means “Throne of Jamshid”, a mythological ancient king. If the more ancient Khwaday-Namag is ever found, it would shed light on just how much the Sassanids remembered about their Achaemenid ancestors and what else they may have known about them that is now lost to history. Today, there are only references to it in several Arab works, but who knows, maybe there’s a copy somewhere in some ancient ruin that has also withstood the test of time.
Famed 19th century poet and thinker Matthew Arnold,whose father was the principal of the Rugby school -actually at the very time when the famous football game named after the town was invented -wrote a narrative poem called "Sohrab and Rustem" which is based on an episode in the Firdausi epic.When I was at high school the poem by Arnold was in the English language syllabus in many areas of my state
It is known that in the Arabian Peninsula more than 30 civilizations, perhaps many do not know .. But the greatest of them was the civilization of Aad, which was sought by Arab travelers and orientalists
The last of the Arab travelers who searched for this civilization was Dr. Eid Al-Yahya, who searched for it in the deserts of the Empty Quarter, as it was believed based on the words of some historians, and he found nothing in cooperation with Aramco
He found a village called Qusairat Ad, and based on the name and its location near the Empty Quarter desert, Dr. Eid Al-Yahya believed that it belonged to the Aad civilization after radiocarbon analysis. The site is still a great opportunity for archaeologists to discover its secrets.
For those who want to know the importance of this civilization to the Arabs, watch the story of Prophet Hud with his people and the characteristics of the people of Aad.
Dr. Eid Al-Hayyi produced a documentary film about his discovery and a great opportunity to watch and criticize it, and it is translated into English and available on RUclips under the title:
قصيرات عاد
For me, it's anything from the corpus of pre-Columbian Aztec and Mayan codeces that have been lost.
I would love to have Deuxippus’ history of the goth invasion of Greece, Claudius’ history of the etruscans, and Berossus’ Mesopotamian history. Maybe we get something we don’t even expect in those Pompeii papyruses. Here’s hoping
Great choices!!
"It is testified by Herdotus, Plato, Salon, Pythagoras, and Philostratus that the religion of Egypt proceeded from India.
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It is testified by Neibuhr, Valentia, Champollian and Weddington that the temples of upper Egypt are of greater antiquity than those of lower Egypt...that consequently the religion of Egypt, according to the testimony of those monuments....came from India.
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The chronicles found in the temples of Abydos and Sais and which have been transmitted by Josephus, Julius Africanus, and Eusebius, all testify that the religious system of the Egyptians proceeded from India." Greek author and philosopher Philostratus.
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Philostratus says that the gymnosophists ( Hindu sect ) of Ethiopia, who settled near the sources of the Nile, descended from the Brahmins of India. Eustathius states that the Ethiopians came from India, Appolonius states that the Ethiopians were sent from India and in the journal of Alexander the great it says "India as a whole beginning from the north and embracing what of it is subject to Persia, is a continuation of Egypt and the Ethiopians ". Godfrey Higgins - Anacalypsis.
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“By the pictorial hieroglyphic inscription found on the walls of the temple of the Queen Haslitop (Hatshepsut) at Der-el-babri, we see that this Punt can be no other than India. For many ages the Egyptians traded with their old homes, and the reference here made by them to the names of the Princes of Punt and its fauna and flora, especially the nomenclature of various precious woods to be found but in India, leave us scarcely room for the smallest doubt that the old civilisation of Egypt is the direct outcome of that of the older India.” - Col. Henry Steel Olcott.
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" The land of punt in the Egyptian ethnological traditions has been identified by the scholars as the Malabar coast of Deccan ( India ). From this land ebony and other rich woods, incense, balsam, precious metals, ect, used to be imported into Egypt ". German Egyptologist - Friedrich Wilhelm.
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"At the mouth of the Indus river dwell a sea faring people, active, ingenious and enterprising as when, ages subsequent to this great movement, these people coast along the shores of Mekran, traverse the mouth of the Persian gulf and again adhering to the sea board of Oman, Hadramant and Yemen, they sail up the Red sea, and again ascending that mighty stream which fertilises a land of wonders found the Kingdom of Egypt, Nubia and Abyssinia. These are the same stock that centuries subsequently to this colonisation, spread the blessings of civilisation over Hellas ( Greece ) and her islands". Edward G Pococke - India In Greece.
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The discoveries herein recorded should therefore appeal to the hearts and stir the religious and patriotic feelings of all educated Hindus who desire to know the first-found scientific proofs for the veracity of their Vedas and Ancient Epics (the Puranas), and to learn that their ancestral Vedic kings and sages were famous historical emperors, kings and priest-kings in Mesopotamia with multitudinous monuments still existing there to the present day. It must also be gratifying to the modern Hindus to find that the Vedic and Epic tradition which their ancestors preserved and handed down through the centuries, and in which they have steadfastly believed, is now proven substantially true, and has become a chief means of identifying as Aryans, the Sumerians, Phoenicians and Britons. " Indo-Sumerian Seals Deciphered - L.A. Waddell.
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"The Greeks were always speaking of India as the sacred territory of Dionysus and historians working under Alexander the Greek clearly mentions chronicles of the Puranas as sources of the myth of Dionysus." Alain Danielou - 1907-1994.
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" In the Vedic language we have the foundation, not only of the glowing legends of Hellas (Greece), but of the dark and sombre mythology of the Scandinavian and the Teuton" (Professor Cox, Mythology of the Aryan Nations, I., 52, 53).
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"The oldest Greek writers, observes Sir William Jones, allow that their mythologies were not their own invention (As. Res. III. 467) ; and it is now certain that the early divinities and legends of Greece were the same that were possessed by their brethren in India. If Hegel calls the discovery of the common origin of Greek and Sanskrit the discovery of a new world, the same may be said with regard to the common origin of Greek and Sanskrit mythology “ The legends of the Old Testament - Thomas Lumisden Strange.
@@parmykumar8592 Wait for some Madrasi chauvinist to come along and tell us that the first monkeys to come down from the trees spoke Tamil.
I'd like to have access to the rest of the Trojan Cycle. Also the rest of Sappho's poetry. Her work's loss is especially tragic, since it survived until the late Medieval period, but the Greeks stopped maintaining it because Greek itself had changed so much that her poetry was becoming nearly unreadable from linguistic drift.
As a Brit, I’d love to Pytheas’s travel account of his travels to Britain circa 325 BC, sadly lost.
At present, no written sources exist for Britain prior to Caesar’s ‘Bello Gallico’ so this would extend our knowledge back some 300 years.
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I know it was well over 2000 years ago, but I'm still mourning the loss of the library of Alexandria.
A cool question that led to a very interesting answer. As always, I had never heard about these lost authors. I would like this to become a topic: great ancient works that are lost. It would be awesome!
Love your channel, it's become one of my favorites!
Glad you enjoy it!
We both called out Sakunyatan (Sanchuntiathon), although I apparently botched up the pronunciation starting after minute 1 of this presentation - ruclips.net/video/RhmozcK92No/видео.html
This is actually a topic that fascinates me quite a bit. Because I don't know about any. The stories you tell of what we do know of the lost histories makes it so much more intriguing & mysterious. This might be a great thing to cover more lost history topics.
Not strictly a history, but I’d love to see Pytheas’ “On the ocean” detailing Voyages of exploration in antiquity.
ooh, that is a good one!
I love your questions and your thoughtful answers. This is not historiography, but I'm fascinated by Coptic and Greek apocryphal writings, and I'd give a pretty penny to read the now largely lost Apocalypse of Zephaniah.
Quality channel!!!!!!!!! I cannot unlearn all I've learned watching your content.
My question has been answered, thank you. All these works are lost but the Historia Augusta survived, tragic.
Well makes sense its easy read História Augusta
Especialy in comparison to Giant multi part series of books on " Boring subjact"
Like Claudius 12 book s on Etrascans
The biography of Alexander that Ptolemy I wrote!
The travels of Pytheas of Massalia.
Great question Blake!
This is one of your best videos today!
It's my only video today. 🙂
@@WorldofAntiquity tautological statements are my specialty. I've heard that comments help boost videos, doing my part.
Bless you for being the first history communicator I've ever heard pronounce "Cannae" anything other than "Can-ee"
I would love to read On the Ocean by Pytheas of Massalia. We would learn so much about Britain and perhaps Ireland and much about the lands of North Atlantic and North Sea, perhaps even Iceland (though it is unlikely he ever got there).
And Hanno's periplus so we can learn how far he explored the West African coastline and what he saw there.
I would add to your list Berossus' Babyloniaca. Which was written like Mantheo's work in three parts. Even worst than Mantheo's work Berossus' book was horribly mangled, distorted etc., in antiquity and the fragments we have are a mess. We might have had a much better idea of the chronology of ancient Babylonian history if the work had survived intact. What has survived indicates that Berossus had access to ancient records and could read Sumerian etc.
Sadly like with Mantheo the Ancient Greeks and Romans didn't seem to have much interest in the real history of these societies. I find it almost astounding that despite Egypt with its vast store of temple inscriptions and temple archives / libraries wasn't thoroughly investigated and studied by scholars learning, copying and studying the inscriptions and records. And in the Hellenistic period in Babylonia there were the archives and libraries of those ancient cities and again little interest it seems by Greeks and Romans in that learning. Instead the Greeks and Romans seemed to be content to repeat fantasies of Egyptian and Babylonian / Near Eastern History written about by Greek and later Roman authors rather than learn from the actual surviving records at the time.
Regarding other historians whose writings i wish had survived. Well I would like to read the complete Annals of Imperial Rome and Histories by Tacitus. We only have incomplete versions of each. I would like to read a proper real history of the Roman Empire during the Third Century Crisis rather than the more or less crap that survived. I would also like to read a proper history of the Eastern part of the Seleucid Empire including the Bactrian Greek Kingdom for the period c. 320 - 50 B.C.E. Oh and I would love to read the Oxyrhynchus Historian.
Great question! I just recently learned about Sanchuniathon from Donnely's book. He claims that his histories corroborate Plato's kings of Atlantis like Autochthon, Atlas, Mestor, Mneseus, etc. But I didn't yet investigate what's the real story (because I don't believe Donnely a bit). But it's very interesting to see how many Phoenician stories appears in Greek mythology.
0:12 got excited there for a second since my name is Blake, but I had to remind myself that I haven’t left any response worthy comments (or voicemails) 😂
Love this channel, please keep the content coming Sir!
Great video! Just finished it & this is the EXACT type of content I’m looking for from this channel 😁 thank you Professor!
Great video, new subscriber here, looking forward to watching back-catalog... Thank You!
Welcome to the channel. Make yourself at home!
this is great, you got me hooked. great fluent speaking.
question: do you have videos about the library in alexandria?
Nothing substantial, though it is touched on briefly in this video: ruclips.net/video/D4Ibta-3_F0/видео.html
@@WorldofAntiquity thank you, i enjoyed it.
even tough iam more interested now wether this library had really this kind of "humanities most valuable knowledge" focused or concentrated in this one library. i know it sounds kinda stupid (for explanation , see below) but the one real reason i got intrigued by this is that naval map of "piri reis", as far as i heard: historians are not interested in his particular map but rather the sources he used, because most of them can not be found nowadays, so they kind of try to find those informations on the map of piri reis..
for the library tho: on the other hand i begin to realize, that thing with "humanity lost so much knowledge, that we even dont know what kind of knowledge we lost" might be a myth..because i can imagine that people would have some kind of copies (specially) from important works/books and would kind of keep them on seperate places in the world, right? Rather than having everything at one place and risking to loose that knowledge once and for all , in case of a fire or some other reason.
so in the end: i guess i gave the myth too much of a value.
that was quite long, sorry .
but i thank you for your time to reply to my previous comment!
Thank you Dr Miano
Berossus was a Hellenistic-era Babylonian writer, a priest of Bel Marduk and astronomer who wrote in the Koine Greek language, and who was active at the beginning of the 3rd century BC. Versions of two excerpts of his writings survive, at several removes from the original. Using ancient Babylonian records and texts that are now lost, Berossus published the Babyloniaca (hereafter, History of Babylonia) in three books some time around 290-278 BC, by the patronage of the Macedonian/Seleucid king Antiochus I Soter (during the third year of his reign, according to Diodorus Siculus).
Pytheas’ account of his travels around Britain, Ireland, and Iceland would be my pick.
The two that have captured my imagination - as well as the contents of the library of Alexandria (slices from several different times) and the Library (libraries?) of the Maya and the lost writings of Easter Island - are the Chronicles of the Kings of Judah and the Chronicles of the Kings of Israel. On the one hand, from today's perspective, they could all turn out to be nonsense... but then, maybe not...
I would add the Book of Jasher(the real one, not the fake written in the 18th century) mentioned in Joshua - if it confirmed somehow the Joshua account, and possibly more, it would be most interesting
Oh yes, it would be amazing to have more than just the 4 codexes we have after the Spanish conquest.
Yeah. Would be fascinating to have what seem to be source texts for parts of the OT. Even if they're nonsense, they could still be revealing about what Jews of the day thought.
From a somewhat later date, if we're willing to include hypothesized texts: the Q source for the Gospels.
Great video, great topic.
Thank you for an answer. Makes sense.
I would like to read eight of Mani's religious work because not only do we currently have them in fragments but also since most of his sources were made by polemics against his religion. Also, it might give us a glimpse of the transition from the Parthian to Sassanid Empire.
Additionally, reading Augustine's work prior to his conversion from Manichaeism might give us another puzzle of his life.
One extremely interesting largely lost ancient text is the "Ora Maritima" of Pytheas of Massalia - a Greek geographer and astronomer. He flourished around 320 - 306 BCE and made an important exploratory voyage in 325 BCE up around the British and Irish archipelago. The eminent archaeologist Prof. Barry Cunliffe wrote about this in his "The Extraordinary Voyage of Pytheas the Greek" (Penguin 2002). He also draws on Pytheas's fragments in his authoritative work, "Ancient Celts" (OUP 1997). Pytheas appears to have ventured very far north as he describes Arctic ice and the midnight sun. Pytheas also has passages on the Celtic and Germanic cultures of NW Europe. His work consists of fragments in other peoples' texts. It would seem to have been rich in information. If we had the whole thing that would be really revealing about Iron Age cultures in NW Europe and also would expand our understanding of what the Mediterranean world knew about this far edge of the world.
I have Cunliffe’s book. It’s excellent.
"It is testified by Herdotus, Plato, Salon, Pythagoras, and Philostratus that the religion of Egypt proceeded from India.
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It is testified by Neibuhr, Valentia, Champollian and Weddington that the temples of upper Egypt are of greater antiquity than those of lower Egypt...that consequently the religion of Egypt, according to the testimony of those monuments....came from India.
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The chronicles found in the temples of Abydos and Sais and which have been transmitted by Josephus, Julius Africanus, and Eusebius, all testify that the religious system of the Egyptians proceeded from India." Greek author and philosopher Philostratus.
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Philostratus says that the gymnosophists ( Hindu sect ) of Ethiopia, who settled near the sources of the Nile, descended from the Brahmins of India. Eustathius states that the Ethiopians came from India, Appolonius states that the Ethiopians were sent from India and in the journal of Alexander the great it says "India as a whole beginning from the north and embracing what of it is subject to Persia, is a continuation of Egypt and the Ethiopians ". Godfrey Higgins - Anacalypsis.
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“By the pictorial hieroglyphic inscription found on the walls of the temple of the Queen Haslitop (Hatshepsut) at Der-el-babri, we see that this Punt can be no other than India. For many ages the Egyptians traded with their old homes, and the reference here made by them to the names of the Princes of Punt and its fauna and flora, especially the nomenclature of various precious woods to be found but in India, leave us scarcely room for the smallest doubt that the old civilisation of Egypt is the direct outcome of that of the older India.” - Col. Henry Steel Olcott.
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" The land of punt in the Egyptian ethnological traditions has been identified by the scholars as the Malabar coast of Deccan ( India ). From this land ebony and other rich woods, incense, balsam, precious metals, ect, used to be imported into Egypt ". German Egyptologist - Friedrich Wilhelm.
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"At the mouth of the Indus river dwell a sea faring people, active, ingenious and enterprising as when, ages subsequent to this great movement, these people coast along the shores of Mekran, traverse the mouth of the Persian gulf and again adhering to the sea board of Oman, Hadramant and Yemen, they sail up the Red sea, and again ascending that mighty stream which fertilises a land of wonders found the Kingdom of Egypt, Nubia and Abyssinia. These are the same stock that centuries subsequently to this colonisation, spread the blessings of civilisation over Hellas ( Greece ) and her islands". Edward G Pococke - India In Greece.
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The discoveries herein recorded should therefore appeal to the hearts and stir the religious and patriotic feelings of all educated Hindus who desire to know the first-found scientific proofs for the veracity of their Vedas and Ancient Epics (the Puranas), and to learn that their ancestral Vedic kings and sages were famous historical emperors, kings and priest-kings in Mesopotamia with multitudinous monuments still existing there to the present day. It must also be gratifying to the modern Hindus to find that the Vedic and Epic tradition which their ancestors preserved and handed down through the centuries, and in which they have steadfastly believed, is now proven substantially true, and has become a chief means of identifying as Aryans, the Sumerians, Phoenicians and Britons. " Indo-Sumerian Seals Deciphered - L.A. Waddell.
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"The Greeks were always speaking of India as the sacred territory of Dionysus and historians working under Alexander the Greek clearly mentions chronicles of the Puranas as sources of the myth of Dionysus." Alain Danielou - 1907-1994.
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" In the Vedic language we have the foundation, not only of the glowing legends of Hellas (Greece), but of the dark and sombre mythology of the Scandinavian and the Teuton" (Professor Cox, Mythology of the Aryan Nations, I., 52, 53).
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"The oldest Greek writers, observes Sir William Jones, allow that their mythologies were not their own invention (As. Res. III. 467) ; and it is now certain that the early divinities and legends of Greece were the same that were possessed by their brethren in India. If Hegel calls the discovery of the common origin of Greek and Sanskrit the discovery of a new world, the same may be said with regard to the common origin of Greek and Sanskrit mythology “ The legends of the Old Testament - Thomas Lumisden Strange.
Claudius's histories of the Etruscans and Carthage, and Criton's "Getica" (apparently the basis for Trajan's "De Bello Dacico", also lost).
My first thought was the Mayan Codices, of which, I think, only two exist.
Two works I can think of that I'd like to see resurrected are Claudius' history of the Etruscans, and his book about the game of Alea. As an ancient board game enthusiast I'd love to see how some of these lost board and dice games were really played, fun as the reconstructions are.
Damn good pick sir. Your last 2 were the first to that came to mind.
I would love to see the lost works of Baron Hieronymus Karl Friedrich von Münchhausen.
There's a bunch, but I'd like to read Aristarchus of Samos's texts where he outlines his heliocentric theory. Clietarchus' History of Alexander is another one that I would like to read. Same with Eudemus' lost histories - History of Astronomy, History of Geometry, and History of Arithmetic. The Catalog of Women would be an interesting read, since Ancient Greece isn't really known for its heroines; Pollio's histories is another one.
I'd like to read Zoticus' "The Story of Atlantis", but I can't help but wonder how that would affect the writings of, say, Igantius Donnelly and the rest of the crackpots.
Really, anything by Anaximander, any of Aeschylus' missing 80+ plays, any by Diogenes of Sinope, Enoch, really any primary Gnostic text rather than the writings by the heresiologists, and others. Although those aren't necessarily about history. It is enough to make you wonder how any of these persisting into the present would have changed history.
I've always held out hope that technological advances would enable us to read the charred remains of the scrolls from the library of Herculaneum. Perhaps in that mess there are contemporary sources for early Empirical Rome, and the late Republican era. And maybe some of the "lost" sources we know from reference exist there. I hope they hurry, I'm getting old.
ha ha ha, because then we'd have.... imperial evidence..... just noticed that wrong word. I've been a sceptic too long.
They are actually working on such tech. Some type of laser was used to decipher an ancient text that was rolled up & hardened that way (if I recall correctly). That wouldn’t work on fully burned scrolls, but should work on other scrolls too delicate/hardened to unroll.
Not a single work. But I would love to see a large selection of books and scrolls from the library of Alexandria that had been successfully hidden and preserved by ancient librarians.
I would like a first Tenakh, a first version of the 27 books of New Testament and a first version of the Qur'an, from before it was completely rewritten.
I'd go for something like the Pnakotic Manuscripts, but I'm late and a similar joke has already been made...
(I actually thought Manetho's work had survived, as he seems to have been quoted a lot; that shows my ignorance of all those topics).
Apart from ancient histories, but keeping it classical, I certainly would have hoped that the works of the great Greek sophists weren't lost...
Thank you for this explanations. But naming Manetho, you should also refer to Berossos. He wrote the Sumerian history. And naming these two men, we should also refer to the unbelievable datas that are mentioned in their kingslists. 68 kings reigned 432.000 years before the flood.
I did a video on the Sumerian King List. Check it out.
Hey David! Would love to hear an artifacts video about the stone spheres of Costa Rica. Haven't researched them much myself but I learned of them last night and I think it might be interesting to look in to as they could be certainly considered "megaliths" though I'm uncertain of the time period in which they were made.
I love your enthusiasm!! As an amateur history buff, i find your knowledge & happy willingness to share said knowledge with us... very exhillerating 😁 Thank you 💕
Such great questions... I keep on going to leave a voicemail and then decide it's not up to standard. Although this one is a bit frustrating, it's literally great works which have crumbled into dust. Especially after Cumae, I mean, a significant proportion of the Roman population died in that single battle, two Consuls died, it came after a string of humiliating defeats - that's some "spin" I'd have wanted to hear!
👍 This brings to mind one passage of Sagan's "Cosmos" that refers some lost texts from Alexandria, including - if I remember correctly - a History of the World.
Hola! Firstly, thank you for being a beacon of light among all the channels that more that giving light in truth, further confuse us (those of us who want to learn the truth about history.) As for the book I would love to read and hopefully somehow is recovered, is the third book that Plato wrote about Atlantis. Perhaps that one will give us the final say on the topic. What do you think? I would love to hear your thoughts. Thank you and have a fantastic day 😊
One of the things that always stunned me is the lack of internal histories from Achaemenid Persia. Are there any posited to have existed that we know to have been lost? Such a text would be a huge discovery to see the Persian state from the inside rather than from Babylonian or Greek sources.
I don't know of any that have been named, but surely there must have been some.
@@WorldofAntiquity Thanks for the reply, I greatly enjoy your channel!
Unadorned history sounds like the best history! I agree with your take on Cicero’s take. Cicero was quite opinionated too.
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Sanchuniathon and Manetho are great choices!
I would love if they rediscovered
"The Telegony", the story after the odyssey and what happened to Telegonos Odysseus's son.
And the writings of Pytheas of Massalia and his adventures around Britain all the way up to the arctic.
Would love to read those too!
Sapho's books of poetry, Petronious' Satyricon (+23 volumes), and Pythagoras complete workings (as none of them has survived).
I was sticking with histories here, but I totally agree!
The lost books of Tacitus would be a gem to read. We don't have all of his books. Nor do we have all the works of Suetonius.
I would love to have the rest of Livy's History of Rome.
On a more literary front it would be cool to have the Epic Poem about Heracles that actually codified the 12 labors.
Along with Sanchuniathon, I'd love to see the rest of Critias.
Can you cover the ancient kings of India for the past 5000 years.
We don't have primary sources that far back. But if you have a specific question about the kings, please leave it at speakpipe.com/DavidMiano.
We only have kings for like the past 3000, maybe at most some tribal kings and chieftains from 3,500-3,700 years ago. I don't even remember if the Indus Valley Civilization was even a thing 5,000 years ago.
Wow David another fantastic video maybe the lost history books that have been mentioned here were lost in the fire at the Alexandria library. Now there is something you could do a video on the library of Alexandria. Sorry but I don't have a lost history book that I would like to read.
Great subject!
Think of how many texts must have been lost to time and the elements.
I'd love to read an eye witness's journal of the Teutoburg conflict with Varos, assuming a journal existed.
Thank you.
This was a fun video!
I'm sure you would appreciate if the library of Alexandria still existed so my pick would be the entire library of Taxila and Nalanda!
love the channel, I've always been interested in "The church elders" who compiled the Bible. Who are they? Where are their origins?
There are quite a few Documentaries concerning the Council of Nycea. Finding one historically accurate when everyone involved had a dog in the fight.....
A lot of politics going on in Rome had a lot of influence.
The Alexanders of Egypt. A Rick and powerful Greek family in expanding. Hence it being written in Greek. Along with input from the Roman's. Hence the lost scrolls being so important. The warrior messiah was re-written to be a priestly type instead of a warrior type. The Flavians had just come back from destroying the druids and their resistance and did the same to the Jewish people and their offshoot cult of christo("christianity"). This is what I've read and it seems very plausible. There are some good youtube videos about it. How Rome created "christianity" etc. Talks about how the father/son worship was already in practice and the priests of Rome became "christian" priests...hence the Pope still being called Potifex Maximus etc.
A rich and powerful family in Alexandria** stupid autocorrect.
"Caesars messiah" is a good yiutube video. As is "Hard evidence the Roman's created christianity".
Not a history but I would really like to read Diogenes' Republic
"The book of wars" which is mentioned in deuteronomy and other places in the Tanak AKA the Old Testament would be my pick.
Or Marcion's evangelikon and apostlikon
Great idea! Here are my favorite two lost works: The first ever written commentary on Plato's Timaeus, by Crantor, and the work about the opinions of natural philosophers, by Theophrastus, the successor of Aristotle. Crantor is said to have believed in Plato's Atlantis, but we have no direct word by himself, and from Theophrastus we even have a direct citation of his work in favour of Plato's Atlantis, handed down to us by Philo (of Alexandria ...), which is really not liked by Atlantis sceptics because they have no good arguments to dispute it (therefore they often hide Theophrastus' opinion about Atlantis in footnotes!). Would be interesting, of course, to see these works in the original!
-- Sanchuniathon is abused by certain Atlantis believers to have written about Atlantis, but this is not true.
Great picks, though not technically histories. Maybe I should do one on philosophical works!
Excellent choices. How about Asinius Pollio's history of the Civil War?
I'd really like to check Sulpicia's work. ;)
During the fall of the Abbasid Caliphate in Baghdad, the Tatars flooded and burned its libraries and threw them into the river until it changed its color to the color of inks, which in its time was the core of science, in which there were many books and sciences that completely disappeared.
Even during the period of the Inquisition and the killing of the Muslims of Andalusia, many important sciences were burned and they benefited from some of them
These two periods had the effect of delaying scientific and civilized progress after the fall of Baghdad and Andalusia
I would love to see something found regarding the history of Teotihuacan. Perhaps their writing system? I imagine it was similar to Mayan writing. More evidence now shows more trade and political connections with the ancient Maya so perhaps there will be more discovered either under Teotihuacan or in the ruins of ancient Maya cities now either underground or covered in jungle.
ruclips.net/video/Ec4_Gw41BVU/видео.html
Great channel, prof!
Thank you kindly!
@@WorldofAntiquity I really enjoy the level headed and academic approach to your analyses and explications.
How you focus on the facts and arguments - rather than as most of the internet does (and a lot of publish scientific discourse - unfortunately) personal attacks or drama.
There is a worrying dearth of such content out there, which makes it difficult for laypersons such as myself to find satisfactory and RELIABLE sources and experts who can guide me towards the most likely truths.
So thank you!
@@WorldofAntiquity for example, your video rebutting Randall Carlson is possibly the only example I've managed to find that focused on his claims, rather than on him.
I would love to see more rebuttals (as well as what he may, if anything, be getting right). Since it's very hard to be able to draw a line between the facts and the wild speculation he interweaves in his content.
This makes it really hard to parse what is and is not realible information - when he presents data I've no way of knowing if it's real, and if the interpretations have any merit to them, so I end up disregarding everything - but I recognise that's probably swinging tok far to the other side.
But lacking a barometer, it's impossible for me to stay sceptical and keep my biases at bay. And the fact that most content out there is focused not on debunking his claims, but on knocking on the man himself, it makes it no easier.
I know you're busy and would never presume to dictate your uploads, and understand it's not really within the preview of Antiquity, but I would personally love to put a vote in to more videos in that vain.
Specifically focussing on the catastrophism claims and the geologic evidence (?) as these are very widespread claims - thanks in no small part to Joe Rogan - and if be greatful to be able to sift out the misinformation.
Wouldn't hurt your SEO, either haha!
Berosssus and Manethon original works about the History of Mesopotamia and Egypt could be very interesting.
Just to think that parts of these works survived to the middle ages and are lost today is a tragic.
A Byzantine monk like George Syncellus (8th century AD) had acess to some content of Babylonaica and Berossus' version of the deluge myth that is identical to Ziusudra/Atrahasis/Utnapishitin myths (rediscovered almost a a millenia after Syncellus time) and filled the gap of some obscure passages.
It is the only version that preserved a tradition that the deluge hero and his wife were not the only ones who received immortality.His daughter and the ark steersman too had the same fate and were all separeted from mankind.
That passage could well explain the origin of a obscure and amazing character from the epic of Gilgamesh: the maid Siduri who gave a carpe die advice to the hero.
Have you kept up to date with research into palimpsests?
Within the last few years, a trickle of lost texts have been rediscovered including some fragments by Dexippus to name an example. Pertaining Dexippus, who wrote during 3rd century the Goths besieged Thessalonica unsuccessfully, then when to fight local Greeks at Thermopylae (unknown outcome) as the Goths were bound for Athens.
They were the Heruli not the Goths though both were Germanic peoples!
Im an aspiring/wannabe history buff. What would be your advice to someone that wants to form a rough outline of history between the Sumerians to year 0. Mediterranean to Iran. I wanna learn about the important kingdoms and event. I'm not ready for detail yet before I have the general overview. To make matters worse I don't read books but would rather see documentaries or audiobooks.
I have some recommended History channels on my page you can check out.
I would love to be able to watch some of the countless lost plays of the ancient Greek masters.
The question I want to know is did ancient cities have museums. And what would be in them? What would be ancient to the ancients?
well, for the romans the peak of egypt was as ancient to them as rome is ancient to us now
and what we know as greek civilization today, only rose a 500 years after the collapse of minoan, and mycenaean greeks
so probably something on those lines I think
A very interesting question. Wikipedia has an interesting section on the origin and role of "ancient museums" in the "Museum" article. Apparently the earliest known museum dates back to 530 BCE, in Ur, and there were several other later on.
The word Museum comes from the inspiration of the Muses. Yes, Alexandria had a Moseum.
I'm more interested in being able to experience ancient ritual practice, especially those of Germanic peoples and the Eleusinian mysteries.
Them Mayan Codices though 👀
For me it would absolutely be the Aztec Codices that were burned or otherwise destroyed by the Spanish conquistadors. More early modern period than ancient history but it makes it sting even more that an entire people's meticulously recorded history and culture was wiped out by a conquering, genocidal force for basically no logical reason at all. It would tell us so much about pre colonial mesoamerica and would give the millions of native people still living in latin America a chunk of their stolen history back
It’s not quite the same, but a number of Central American peoples quickly adopted the Spanish script and used it to write histories of the Spanish Conquest, histories of their people and the region as a whole, and histories of their own villages and communities. They wrote in both Spanish and Nahuatl.
A really great recent book that makes extensive use of these sources is called The Fifth Sun by Camilla Townsend :)
I would love if we had Varro's _Antiquities of Human and Divine Things._
Can you make a video on south india , maybe in the future or when you are planning to do a video on india ..when talking history in india , most people ignore south and northeastern history ,it would be great if you can talk on the ancient south and spread the knowledge to a wider audience.
I would like to see you talk on topics like
trade in muziris
Sangam era
Chola military campaigns in the south east
south indian linguistics
kalaripayattu(one of the oldest surviving martialarts)
similarities between tamil and korean
And also it was interesting hearing about manetho , hope they do rediscover the texts
It really is amazing anything survives.
Not a historical text, but I hope we find the city of Washukanni in my lifetime. And i hope there are hundreds of tablets there.
What about the book that is mentioned by carl sagan in that documentary about the library of alexandria!? Berberos of sumer,about the history of the human kind. Supposed to be three books that are lost.
Do you mean Berossus? I thought about him.
Very Interesting
I wish We can have back Bourses History of the Universe back also many of the plays and an egyptian epic we still don't know about
Excellent video!! I have a question: could these works or any ancient works for that matter actually exist in copies that are kept in private collections? Is there any hope that they may actually exist somewhere now?
Chances are slim, but it's possible. Sometimes books aren't catalogued properly.
@@WorldofAntiquity thank you very much for your reply!
The world has forgotten more then we’ve ever known.
As I discovered your channel from watching you debunk some of my favourite ancient mysteries, I would like to ask...
Are there any ancient mysteries that you truly find to be unexplained and intrigue you?
I know there must be thousands of examples but I'm specifically asking about any Indiana Jones style artefacts or manuscripts.
Thank you for your videos. Needs more aliens.
We ALL wish we could hear Eminem's first take on Stan back in the booth in the 90's. During the recording the booth sound engineer accidentally recorded over part of it so it was lost forever. Eminem went at it again and the words were changed considering he had not even written it down yet.
Somewhat germane here as a matter of an FYI. If people have a Kindle then one can find a lot of older period history available online = often free. Old books dating to say early 20th Century and before having been scanned into digital form by various historical groups are available. Thus for "history nerds" it is interesting say to read a book written in the 19th Century about say the American Revolution or the US Civil War - when those events were still "living memory" for the writer = to compare that to more modern accounts. It can give you insight which may or may not have been "lost" or overlooked in the more modern renditions of history.
Of course one must always be mindful that an account of say the war written by someone who participated in it might not be entirely "objective" - but context is still informative and better understanding can be achieved by considering all possible viewpoints. 🤔
I really would love to hear izzy stradlin explaining guns n roses songwriting process and how they came up with each song
The missing books of The Satyricon! :)