Honestly a “Mars simulation” in the middle of the arctic doesn’t sound like a bad project. If you can’t build your shelter or get your new indoor farming methods to work then we can immediately rule out them working on another planet.
Frankly speaking, carefully chosen part of Sahara or high up Chile at night could be better approximation. Thermals we understand. Dust, terrain and impact on mechanisms.... that's whole different story. In another words: I would not send to Antarctica anything that didn't make cut on Iceland, Sahara and Chile.
@@espenha Toxic soil, toxic atmosphere, deadly radiation, lack of sunlight, you'll need a perfectly contained inside environment, low gravity will have terrible effects on the human body.
I usually don't like Bezos, but his statement about Mars is 100% correct. Heck, even South Pole is tropical paradise compared to Mars or Moon or any other planet. Even the Mariana trench is more livable than other planets
Bezos is an arse but you have to give him credit for everything he has achieved because everything he has achieved is the real deal and not stolen like Musk.
@Bonjour Yep, and then he used that money to become literally the largest business magnate on the planet. That argument works sometimes, but not in this case, it’s still pretty impressive.
Muskers are just capitalists finding an excuse to boom our way to autodestruction. Colonizing other planets instead of cheaply exploring with probes while we keep the planet we have habitable.
Anyone that has truly considered how difficult and dangerous attempting a colony outside of our planet will end up truly appreciating just how lucky we are to live on this planet in the first place. We're protected by the atmosphere, magnetosphere, have copious amounts of water, environmental stability and have everything we need to live long, peaceful, prosperous lives right HERE. Those looking to MARS because they think "Earth is too screwed up"? Good - get the hell off my planet. I love this place. Just wish we took better care of it.
It' crazy to think that despite all we have due to civilization, we could basically go out in the wild anytime and live there with enough knowledge and a small community. No tech needed at all despite your clothes depending on region, you can just cut down trees to build a hut and make fires, go fishing at a nearby river, etc. Nature provides us with everything once we know how to use it. The fact that you can't have that on Mars even with billion dollar high-tech speaks volumes.
@@theultimatereductionist7592 I'm aware of the fallacy in general, but disgree with the statement that I used it here. I just pointed out how few efforts we need to put in in order to survive on Earth compared to Mars. I mean... yes, nature can kill you. But if you think about every single thing humans need to survive, Earth in ridiculously habitable and truly a paradise for humans, even if the worst climate changes come true. Compared to Mars at least.
@@constantinethecataphract5949 Develop the tech and have Mckendree cylinders as well! (BOTH would be INFINITELY more habitable than trying to do anything with Mars)
@@commonsenseskeptic, yup. And as the video goes on,, I'm starting to wonder if this guy has ever ventured further than few miles from the nearest gas station/grocery store.
These YT futurologists are almost as annoyning as anti-science crowd and in many cases they are worse. They make outright false claims and actually manage to sound like their hype is based on engineering and scientific facts, while it actually is just nonsense.
I am in arguments on other videos where Musk fanboys say stuff like "lunar starship can do X and lunar starship can do Y" One guy asked my how many test flights the Dyanetics lander has had and I told him exactly as many as 'lunar starship', its all so surreal
Something else that is often forgotten when talking about colonizing Mars is the tiny little issue of the continent sized to globe spanning sandstorms that tend to rage across the planet for weeks to months at a time.
@@NoTengoIdeaGuey They also produce unbelievable amounts of static electricity which makes the dust stick to everything. Simply cleaning the dust off of exo-suits would be a near insurmountable task.
Humanity can't come together to terraform Earth to preindustrial CO2 levels, but somehow we're totally gonna terraform Mars and make it habitable. Totally 😌👌
@@The-Evil-Pangolin Then Musk might be in the shortlist. He isn't crazy enough to board his thing but is narcissist enough to be close by when it launches. Still, the japanese dude seems a better bet for now
My friend signed up for Mars One years ago... I asked him would you "live in Antartica for 1 year, then live in sahara for 1 year, then move to Mt Everest for 1 year and then live next to Chernoybl for a year, wearing a clunky suit outside at all times and eating military rations, and every 18 months you get a drop of new supplies no matter what happens to your current supplies" - he said no, I said that was only for 4 years... now you want to go for the rest of your life? the novelty would wear off very fucking soon
Which is why I've stuck to repeating the same thing. No sane, well-informed, self-respecting human actually wants to give up their life savings, their friends and all the creature comforts of Earth in order to suffer isolation, deprivation and a shortened lifespan. There is precisely zero rational self interest in that. So where are all these fare paying passengers that Elon's "business case" depend on? Pisses off Muskrats and Mars colonisation nutters in no time flat.. p.s. The charitable version is your friend failed the "well-informed" test..
@@commonsenseskeptic It would have been even more accurate to ask him if he wanted to live out the rest of his years in Antarctica, Everest, the Sahara & at Chernobyl’s core AT THE SAME TIME. Also, MREs would likely be a luxury item. 😉
@@remo27 Mars One was idiotic. Elon's plans for Mars are merely misguided and impractical by comparison. Lets pop some bubbles here. Firstly, we're not talking billions. We're talking hundreds of billions and that's a charitable estimate of the cost of establishing the basic infrastructure Elon is talking about. Secondly, Elon doesn't have the money to fund this. There's a limit to what he can squeeze out of "investors" and Starlink isn't the cash cow that the Muskrats think it is. Its true market is a few millions of users, not hundreds of millions. Its not going to fund Mars. Nor are fare paying colonists. Think about it for a moment - what is the rational self interest in handing over your life savings in order to suffer loss, deprivation and most likely early death? Once reality sinks it, it will become apparent that there just aren't enough people who are both wealthy and self-destructive enough to pay for it. So, Mars isn't happening. At least not the colonisation nonsense. Lives of luxury? That's laughable.
Step 1: Visionaries/artists/designers/architects -> Step 2: engineers/scientists -> Step 3: reality AI Spacefactory (and SpaceX Starship) is a typical example of what happens when you try to simply skip step 2. (though AI Spacefactory may in fact be a straight up fundraising scam, more than anything else). Fanboys like Angry fall for the flashy presentations and then wonder why nobody takes them seriously. I'm glad CSS is here to do some good old-fashioned debunking. Keep up the great work.
Gotta laugh - The Angry Astronaut came to watch, and announced his arrival thusly: "The Angry Astronaut Man how bad do you man crush on me like you need me in your life I am the Lex to your Clark the joker to your bat this mini thunderf00t act is getting old you need a new hobby." Two minutes later: The Angry Astronaut You know Jordan is too busy right? this is his business associate. Sure, it is...
@@animatewithdermot haha yea, a veiled plea for a critical eye to be cast elsewhere. People who are either delusional or scammers have this type of response. I think for this angry astronaut guy it’s the former (delusional / wishful thinker).
These exactly are the arguments you would expect in a scientific debate - especially the ToYourClarkTheJoker - thing. Maybe he should switch back to his Marvel comics collection, I bet it's Musk's inspiration, too.
Like that cartoon of one scientist showing another scientist a 3 step chain of reasoning at a blackboard with step 2 being “and then a miracle occurs” to which the second scientist replies “I think you need to be more explicit in step 2”.
Everyone knows the martian atmosphere is dense in self assembling plastics. You just have to put the magnets in the right place and the electron envelope will take care of the rest... its called the vaun braun method
Looks goofy but 3D printing structures is available now. Wildly not practical yet as neither time nor money is saved in construction but it will get better. Probably automated and shot off to build the first interplanetary barn. It literally works like a mud dobber wasp. Tons of thin balls of shit inter arching creating thousands of air voids for R-factor. Still no plan on doors or windows yet.
@@MrTi8et Guess the glass is just full of koolaid for you, because it’s pretty easy to distinguish between fact and fiction once you start breaking the number down.
@@commonsenseskeptic You could try to make your video's more clickbaity. Veritasium actually made a very interesting video a couple month's back on how a more captivating titles and thumbnail on video's can work miracles on viewership, even on older video's: ruclips.net/video/S2xHZPH5Sng/видео.html
There's a lot of science to be done there. A human can probably do in a few hours what takes a rover a month to do. But, of course, to do research, you don't need a colony with a million random people with nothing to do except try to survive. Instead, what works best is a small temporary or regularly supplied research outpost manned by a handful of carefully picked experts who have trained for years for their trip to Mars. A bit like the research stations that exist on Antarctica right now. There is a reason we have outposts there, but no one is trying to build a city in the frozen wasteland.
If water is all we need to survive on Mars, why not go to Ganymede, Titan, Callisto or Europa? Earth is a desert planet compared to the large icy moons.
If I recall correctly, the moon Europa is so close to Jupiter that it lies in the Jovian Van Allen belt, which unlike Earths stores far more radiation and would kill you within 24 hours, unless you were deep under the surface
Mars has a number of unique features worth mentioning: * It has a substantial atmosphere. That includes Nitrogen, Argon, and other gasses that can be useful. * It has substantial gravity. While less than the Earth, gravity on Mars is stronger than any other place you mention. That may be important. * It has a 24 hour day. This is coincidence but a useful one that makes adjusting to Martian cycles much easier. I could go on, but Mars is by far the most "Earth like" planet or world that can be used for human settlement that we know about. That even includes any exoplanet discovered so far. Those other places may be useful but have many other challenges because of how different they are.
However, more delta v is required to get to the outer solar system, and the mass ratio of a spacecraft increases exponentially with delta v, thus the amount of fuel required increases significantly. Also, it takes way longer to travel to Jupiter and its moons compared to travelling to Mars, which significantly increases the health risks of space travel to the astronauts.
when they start offering free rides to Mars as a one way trip and a cool vacation but it's actually something else entirely ...this would make a great horror story
I think Blade Runner has this as a premise - the "off world colonies" are billed as a paradise compared to the hell of the dystopia on Earth, but in reality the one way trips there are because anyone who goes is worked to death in the even worse conditions on the colony plqnets
@@remo27 it is inside Van Allen belts. Radiation on ISS is much lower than on Mars. Also, the original comment stated listen to NASA, and NASA doesn't state it is impossible to live on ISS for months, they actually sent people to live a year there.
This is Funny. Sad, but funny. It's funny that some fools think they know all about rocket science just because they bought a Tesla. I wonder if Angry is reading these comments, and how he is coming up with his counter-arguments. BTW, I have some friends who do have Teslas and who are not fools, so it's not all of them. :)
they believe because they want to believe they will be able to go to mars one day and it's going to solve all of humanity's problems not because they own a tesla or are less inteligent
I think people should be trying to go to Mars and attempting to terraform it. I think they should be setting up mines and habitats on the moon too along with trying to create little independent biospheres down here on Earth. That said, there's a lot more other things I think people should be doing with regards to increasing the quality of life of everyone here on Earth but people don't seem to want to bother with that and it's not like I have influence on any of their actions so I'm just glad people are trying to do some of the things I think will help humanity in the long run.
Wait until they need repairs to those teslas, and find out that no one can do them but Tesla because they don't sell parts to independent shops, and in doing so Tesla can charge like 4X as much, if they even have parts themselves, as Tesla practices in planned obsolescence, and you may be screwed for something like a suspension part that should only cost $50 + $120 in labor, but you have to buy a whole new car! They are the Apple of the car industry, and how does that help the environment? It doesn't, it's a terrible con and has huge environmental impact for the worse! So that also makes Elon Musk a liar! He's a vaporwear salesman, nothing more!
Mars colonisation advocates do not do so to eventually 'live' there themselves. They want a place to send the people to they do not want on Earth. A penal 'colony'.
@@FungalumisBush I can comprehend the idea of colonising Mars. Its a pointless activity. How does making yourself far worse off ever amount to rational behaviour?
Anyone with an ounce of common sense would understand that everything, and I mean every single thing is more difficult to do in space. To get a drink of water on Earth you just go down to the stream and cup your hand and take a sip. On Mars you either run a machine that will take your piss and recycle it or you have to dig thousands of tons of rock to sift out the ice and then purify it. A simple task becomes an enormous technical problem. And that's only one example.
Even if we get all of this right: Mars' gravity is just 38% of that on Earth, and I'm 100% SURE that our Earthly human bodies will adapt just fine to living in that situation....
@@remo27 The problem is that there has been zero research on biology in Martian conditions. The truth is....we don't know what will happen with people on Mars. Any statements like you have made is pure conjecture. It lacks data to even form a reliable theory, which is not science at all. The amount of speculation on this topic just astounds me, even by supposedly competent scientists.
@@remo27 Even what you just said is still just speculation. Perhaps well reasoned speculation and something to consider for genuine research, but nothing more than that. And admit at least you might be wrong when that data comes back. I makes me upset to think some of this could have been studied too. Congress in its infinite wisdom cancelled a module on the ISS to study this, a module that was nearly complete and flightworthy and needing just a shuttle mission to make it functional. That ISS module is now in a museum in Japan instead of answering these important questions...important since policy decisions and budgets are being drafted based on incomplete information which could exist and billions at stake as well as life's of astronauts on the line.
@@GlanderBrondurg from what I know, astronauts do have to make certain excercises to keep their bones in good shape during long periods of low "experienced" gravity, meaning during their stay at the iss, so we should expect something weird to happen if we were to have colonies of people living there for decades
@@emilmullerv3519 You, nor anybody else, knows what happens in a reduced gravity environment. It is at this point pure speculation and it is disingenuous to suggest otherwise. Yes, those on the ISS are in freefall and not experiencing more than the most insignificant acceleration do have some problems with bone loss and other health problems. Looking for those issues and being aware that it may be a problem is prudent. But let's do science on these issues and find out if it really is a problem and don't make things up. There may be other health problems that have not even been discovered on the ISS too. I would speculate that the issues won't be as severe and that the gravity of the Moon much less Mars will make a huge difference. But I am willing to acknowledge I may be wrong and will have an open mind about these topics. In 1957 when people first started going into space, all sorts of crazy ideas about human health abounded. Some speculated people could not eat in space or perform other tasks which are now routinely done. You should see drawings of what people thought the Moon surface looked like when rendered in the 1950s. And that wasn't so long ago. This speculation is just as ignorant from what will be known in just a decade or two.
There is a striking comparative scientific literacy between the content creators at this channel and the Mars Utopians. This is precisely the kind of content I want from a scientific RUclips channel.
Actually, Angry doesn't annoy me nearly as much as all the other YT channels that feed off Elon. Stuff like "SpaceX fans" and "Great SpaceX". Plus there's a million other channels that bought into Hyperloop etc.
My thoughts are as follows: 1. People stick to their opinions/beliefs regardless of the evidence, because they tie it to their self worth. 2. To challenge their beliefs is a personal attack due to the pressure/fear of being wrong created by themselves (many reasons this could be). 3. To be a skeptic is to tie your self worth to your ability to change your opinion for the better in light of presented evidence and to think critically of the evidence presented in regards to your opinions. So i just think many people are just hopeful and blind of choice in hopes to see some significant changes in their lifetime.
Amusingly, I wouldn't consider it a living hell because you couldn't actually just live on it without an artificially created safe environment. I'd just call it a hell. I still think people should try to go there, even if just to advance our ability to create artificial habitats. While we really should be doing that over here and using the advancements achieved for space exploration, the adventure of space exploration is what seems to inspire attempts to make such habitats, the technology of which will then be used back here on Earth.
@@niccosalonga9009 Distance is indeed an issue, only real solutions are artificial gravitational rotation and a means of combating GCR's. Besides that why Titan? Well, Titan has water, and fertilization compounds for crops (amonia and nitrogen) as well as protection from the vacuum of space and radiation thanks to saturns magnetic field. Mars has none of those things.
To anyone who wants to go to Mars on Starship: Research the failures of Biosphere 2 Fix the problems and live there for a decade Discuss the additional challenges of surviving the trip to Mars and then setting up Biosphere 3
@@remo27 what does the ISS have to do with Biosphere 2? ISS is a bubble in space that requires constant resupply of food water and oxygen. The point of Biosphere 2 was to be a self sustaining colony that does not require constant resupply because it grows its own food and recycles water and nutrients.
@@remo27 yes and needs constant resupply , 90% recycle rate on water ,and 40% on oxygen ....cannot even wash their own clothes and just grow a few lettuce leaves all for 150 bill. bargain .
Anyone who thinks it's easier to live on Mars then Mt. Everest or Antarctica probably would fall for one of those "I got a bridge in Brooklyn I can sell you " scams.
The concept of the house is cool... as a cabin in the woods, I dig that. On Mars, I'd rather get a bunker :D. Don't need to stretch... but need to pee... thanks for the reminder! :D
No , you are thinking of cigarettes and alcohol and fast food . Total worldwide death toll just from cigarettes and it's effects are around 1 MILLION per YEAR . I won't even go into alcohol and the trillions in medical costs dealing with obesity related health issues and deaths . We don't need suicide booths . You can already shorten your life quite easily .
Interior designer here. Circular rooms are the absolute worst rooms. No furniture fits properly, and even if they're all custom-made, the human body is simply not built to fit on a radial sofa. 90 deg angles is the way to go.
@@FizzleFX except that curves are not scalable so you can't make a modular system based on curves. Also, your argument FOR curves is basically "don't follow curves and stick to squares".
Good lord, how in the hell did he make it out of high school alive? He is as smart as DSP is a valedictorian. Blame the schools, this one slipped through. Oh "no child left behind" Okay, makes sense now.
If you’ve seen Mythbusters you’ll know that steal candy from a baby is harder than it looks. This more like smothering a toddler, which is much easier. Or so I’ve heard.
Its not proven and its highly likely that the low gravity alone will be enough to make people unhealthy and have no long term viability .If you watch any life form it really only thrives in a very narrow set of conditions .Anything other than that and stuff just adapts through lots of dying or dies out completely . I cannot see why we think were different , especially when you look where we live on Earth , the very best places only .
Who cares for atmospheric nitrogen? You do realize that without water nitrate salts are not washing out of the regulith so there is far more in the upper layers than here on earth. Mars had an atmosphere comparable to earth in the early stages so nitrogen was abundant and was sequestered in form of nitrate salts and other compounds. On earth we still mine for nitrates and I don't see why we can't do the same on Mars.
Fish on Mars? I'm barely safe with aquariums here on Earth. I had one burst leaking down to my basement and it is no fun neither for me or the fish in there. And it was by no means a big one. And anyone who had fish knows how easy it is for them to die just from bringing them home from the pet shop. Good luck in creating a full system aquarium than can hold the take-off and landing Gs, and good luck to those fishies surviving those and zero gravity as well. Don't forget to pack extra body bags for them. Oh, and grilled fish on Mars... Not gonna happen! :D
@@theultimatereductionist7592 especially considering tardigrades have better chance to survive in Mars than on Earth, because on Earth they will be likely eaten in 5 minutes by some larger creature, while on Mars in anabiosis, they will live, I mean, sleep, for millenia.
I only ever watched one of angry’s video’s (well not all of it) and it was clear as soon as I saw the shades & heard the monologue that it was a channel to avoid. Watched a few of your to-date and they are impressive IMO
@@grahamstrouse1165 I used Stark for Musk because of the contrast between them. Musk plays the role of Stark, but it's not at all that brilliant, and Bezos plays the part of Luthor, but he is not that evil.
That's not a perfect fit but close enough. Neither is anywhere near Stark or Luthor In terms of brilliance but, then again, Stark and Luthor aren't real. I've always thought of Elon as something of a supervillain, though I hope his tech visions actually work out somehow in a way that doesn't endanger humanity. He seems quite brilliant at getting what he wants.
I would like to see humanity go back to the moon and on to Mars, but the only thing even remotely feasible is a small return mission ( 4 people ) which could possibly make some return fuel on the surface of Mars. The problems and cost is an enormous challenge. Any sort of colonization is far, far off and I believe would require autonomous robots to get there and setup a lot of things first, so far future. Maybe we can get back to the moon this decade if nasa smartens up, but I'm not optimistic after awarding 'starship' the lunar lander contract :(
I agree that we should aim for a sensible, limited, exploratory mission to Mars. We already have the technology needed, in a sense. But we haven't developed and proven it. As for the cost, my view is it has to be an international, cooperative effort. And this ties in with the main reason why we should go to Mars. Its not just the science, its bringing humanity together and renewing the message that cooperative behaviour and science/technology are the way forward. All this rubbish about colonisation is actually motivated by baser motives and that's the main reason I don't like it. Competition, selfishness, the privileges of the few. As for the mechanics, all you really need (and it doesn't matter how) is a means to loft a lot of fuel into Earth orbit, cheaply enough. Fuel is the overwhelming majority of the mass needed. Once you've gained the ability to put hundreds, or thousands of tonnes of fuel into Earth orbit, its pretty straightforward figuring out how to get hundreds of tonnes of fuel into Mars orbit. And once you've done that, you've solved the "return fuel" problem. Have a vehicle whose sole purpose is to get (a few) humans safely from Earth orbit to Mars orbit and return. A vehicle that only ever lives in space, so it can be optimised to be robust, reliable, serviceable and has a decent mass budget for radiation protection. Also, having a space-only vehicle gives you the flexibility to design for spin-gravity in a way that you cannot get with a one-sized-fits-all vehicle that has to survive atmospheric entry. Have a minimalist Mars lander/ascent vehicle. One that lands fully propulsively so as to subject said humans to the minimum g forces. This way all you actually need to make on Mars itself is under 20 tonnes of Oxygen (the methane can be landed along with all the other one-way cargo). Having an indirect return to Earth and a minimalist purpose built Mars lander/ascent vehicle vastly reduces the problem of Mars based propellant production. You only need to make Oxygen and not a whole lot of it either. Since you have a store of fuel in Mars orbit, it makes it a lot easier to return to Earth. And that fuel, along with all the necessary one-way cargo can be delivered separately to humans, thus allowing you to use (slow) minimal energy ballistic capture trajectories. This way you maximise the fuel stored in Mars orbit and you minimise the return trip time.
@@espenha Is this a joke ? You're utterly delusional and I can tell you knew nothing about space flight before Musk came on the scene. How is 'lunar starship', more proven technology? We will return to the moon using the same methods as got us there in the first place. A Mars trip by anyone is highly unlikely by 2030, we will be lucky to return to the moon by then
@@espenha Its not vastly more capable of ferrying X amount of mass to the lunar surface. Not if you compare it to the obvious alternative - using Starship as a lunar orbit tanker and then sending a smaller reusable lander/ascent vehicle (like the Dynetics one) on multiple sorties. You see the price you're paying is getting something that massive (Starship) into the lunar gravity well and then back out of it. that bit of physics doesn't add up. What you need are minimalist vehicles that have a higher ratio of tankage and landed mass to fixed vehicle mass. Starship is forever a compromise because it also has to endure launch from Earth and return to Earth. That adds a lot of mass you don't need on a lunar lander.
@@espenha Sure you are, 'lunar starship' is nothing more than a CGI rendering and I'm sorry if you lack the common sense to understand that we're not going to land on the moon with a super tall 1950's style rocket where a bloody crane is needed 100 feet off the ground to get to the surface. Good grief, aerospace engineer my ass. And yes, I have an advanced science degree, so please don't try to bullshit me.
Another great vid pointing out the flaming obvious that was being studiously ignored. Angry is rather ignorant, but confident in his opinion. Always a dangerous combination. Believing cool looking CGI equals solid engineering, is sadly becoming increasingly common, even in major programs (was on one contract where the government auditors admitted the contractor who won a track vehicle contract .I was in, won it because their VR presentation looked so good.) I’ve also run into space advocates who insist if you have ice, you can make air ... wait for it ... we can learn to live without nitrogen. I point out the protean in our bodies is built largely out of it. They weren’t convinced it was nessisary.
They believe entropy ran in reverse and life created itself on the early earth too without one single shred of evidence other than we are here proves it happened. Their materialism is all the proof they need even though materialism is not science, it is a philosophical worldview no different than a religion.
@@MountainFisher Life doesn’t reverse entropy, though it does create local order. But then so does ice and snowflakes. Nothing magical about that. Not that any of that relates in anyway to what Angry was tripping himself up on, or what materialism is about.
9:08 wind doesn't electrocute you if you piss into it... -this fan, might. 15:24 lets take another piss: I think the bottom left is a better design. Dust storms on mars can reach 100km/h. Enough to snap trees. Do you really want 2+ story tall building WITHOUT FUNDATION printed on NON-COMPACTED ground. That thing, if it doesn't tip on its own, will do so the moment the storm starts. Kinda like in the Marsian. Just tilting it a few degree could tear a hole or weaken the structure to the point there is explosive decompression (possible while ur in your fancy space bed) ... I'd say that would make for a rough nights sleep. Just in case you thought bad windows get drafty, try closing a fist sized hole on Mars while you rapidly run out of air and the temperature drops double if not 3x digits :)
Musk fans: "We'll need to leave Earth because it may become a few degrees warmer." Also Musk fans: "I can't wait to spend the rest of my life on a freezing desert planet sitting in a barrel made from fish poo."
Lets say ppl make it to mars.They can build a base and make a life. No on talks about the mental health issues. Ppl can't spend 6 months in the antarctica research base. They stab each other over games of chess and spoilers of books in the library....
@ 4:55 Nitrogen makes up about 3% of the martian atmosphere. Though thin, it is probably enough to produce ammonium nitrate via the Haber process. This would need to be prioritized though along with O2 and H2O production..
Take Earth’s atmosphere. Remove 99.4% of it to get to Martian atmospheric pressure. Then remove 97% of what remains to get to Martian nitrogen levels. Good luck collecting enough N2 to do anything useful with.
@@commonsenseskeptic I think you're making this a bigger problem than it is. Compress martian air 165 times to bring it to earth pressure. Simple pumps will do it. Distill off N2 and compress it further for optimum yield under the Haber process. Will be a lower yield than on earth say 1/26th for an equal mass of atmosphere but with the entire martian atmosphere should certainly be enough for a colony.
@@jemussi7842 The numbers don’t lie, though. And the energy required to pump a near-vacuum clean of the gasses that remain will be extreme. That’s what the Martian atmosphere is, at 0.6% of Earth’s. A near vacuum. Then, you’re trying to harvest 3% of that near vacuum? No, we’re not exaggerating that difficulty.
@@commonsenseskeptic No you are exaggerating. Compressor pmps operate on a simple pressure differential. From high school science see: www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/guides/zxy9ng8/revision/5 , the Haber process requires a pressure of 200 atmospheres for optimum yield. Pumps on earth manage this easily and would on mars. It's just that you have more steps in the process. It's not the absolute pressure that's the issue here but the relative pressure. Once you have compressed the martian air to a suitable pressure you are not 'harvesting a vacuum' as you have compressed it already. In fact the distillation process might even be more efficient than on earth because of the reduced gravity and boiling point of the distillate depending on what pressure you chose for this.
Angry wants Humans to colonize Mars, so he argues for it. You argue against it, and I really enjoy listening to both perspectives. Looking forward to Pt 2 and I hope Angry responds
Bezos comment is exactly right. I've always suggested Siberia instead. It's so easy to live there in comparison to Mars and it's nearly impossible to do so for most humans.
Angry astronaut is just one of many SpaceX shrill channels, people who will make videos about the landing legs on the 'lunar starship' and other such non-existant vapourware. The real problem is that there is a market for these channels of SpaceX fan boys who can't seem to distinguish CGI from reality. For the record SpaceX has done some good things, but they aren't the mythical heros the fanboys make them out to be, so many seem overawed by the rockets landing back on earth, but that in itself only matters how it affects the price, otherwise its' just a giminic
Fun fact: Originally, NASA's Space Shuttle had a two-stage fully-reusable winged flyback design. However, that was cancelled due to being too expensive to develop. #FundNASA
Well someone HAD to get on with it. Rather Musk than Bezos. Didn't see Gates doing anything about it. Gov wanted private sector to do it, well what did we expect? It to not be sensationalized?
I'm not his biggest fan but to be fair to him he criticizes SpaceX a lot and makes a lot of content with enthusiasm towards many other companies. Oooh I can't stand his intros minutes in though.
That's what I'm thinking. Of course to make it work, you'd need to perfect a robotic Martian version of a roadheader and skid steer loader. Doable I guess, but not easy. However, if you did have that capability then a lot of your problems (like radiation) go away, since you can put as much rock as you like between you and the sky. Perhaps you would also need to put your hab, or hab modules, onto tracks to make it easier to robotically place them inside your "cave". But that's a handy capability too. To be honest, having windows is too much of a liability. Screens and cameras would do the trick.
@@saumyacow4435 There are some things that real windows have that simply can't be copied by videoscreens. Depth perception for one - images on a screen are flat. If your habitat is in a cave or a lava tube, you could have windows looking into the cave combined with screens showing the surface.
@@HalNordmann You'll get your share of staring off into the distance when you get your hour a day allowance outside the habitat, probably from within a rover.
All other things being equal, our crappy propulsion systems are the ultimate barrier. So long as we’re stuck relying on mid-twentieth chemical rocket technology we’re not going very far. If there’s some sort of breakthrough technology (Nuclear fusion? Warp Drive?) that enables us to move more a lot more mass much more quickly and economically than we can start looking at the other problems. There are plenty of those, too, but we could at least start looking at them then.
@@espenha This is a mature technology. Saying that there’s untapped potential in chemical rockets is like saying it’s possible to beat Usain Bolt’s 100 meter world record by 2 seconds.
@@espenha We need a technology that’s orders of magnitude more powerful & efficient than chemical rockets. That’s not happening. Give it a rest, Elonian. You’re done, son.
Build me a self-sustaining arcology on Antarctica which is entirely autonomous for at least 2 years (meaning it is sealed off from the surrounding environment and requires ZERO inputs from the environment once it is built and residency starts). Lets say you have at least 4 maybe 8 people living there. You've now demonstrated mastery of the basic principles of a true self-contained arcology that is resilient in an environment with low temperatures and "no atmosphere," and presumably with a living experience inside where the residents do not go insane. This is only the first step in a process involving probably 50+ steps required just to be READY to begin designing human habitats for Mars. But before you do any of that: explain to me WHY would anyone ever actually NEED to visit, much less live on Mars? Robots can achieve most of the science we might hope to achieve there. There are no resources available on Mars which cannot be more readily acquired from asteroids which have much weaker gravity wells and better prospects of acting as host bodies for rotating habitats which might offer artificial gravity more suited to human well-being than the paltry 3.7 m/s^2, which is about 38% of the gravitational acceleration on Earth. We have plenty of reason to suspect that protracted exposure to that gravity will be harmful (along with the various other environmental hazards such as radiation and toxins). Not only is Mars a hell hole, that is centuries beyond our basic scientific and technological capacity for safe and sustainable human habitation, there is effectively zero legitimate reason to even conceive of human beings visiting the place, except for foolish and misplaced notions about the romance of the novelty of being at the place.
'Science Insider' just released a short talking about the space homes being designed. I'm glad I watched this video before seeing that. I could have easily brought into the hype.
"Horrifying" is probably a good adjective for the summit of Mount Everest - when considering how easy it is to live there and the frozen corpses strewn along the route. Of course they weren't killed by avalanches - where would the snow slide down from? - and the extreme risk of death is due to the temperature and the wind, combined with the reduced oxygen, and, probably, exhaustion. Thanks to the virtual lack of atmosphere on Mars, neither the temperature nor the wind is much of a problem... But the complete lack of oxygen is, well, problematic... The really bizarre thing is, that people like Angry get angry at the suggestion that they should try it out in an inhospitable environment on Earth before paying hundreds of billions to try it in a certainly more inhospitable environment on a different planet. That's not saying it will never ever happen, it's really just doing it the systematic way, one step at a time. I guess the real problem is, they want to think they can move to Mars within their own lifetime (whether they would actually do it or not), and being presented with a much simpler, but real practical task that they can see will take years and years (at least) and lots of money, brings it into too sharp relief how unrealistic that hope is.
Angry has suprised me. He had covered the juice mission without bashing esa/arianespace. The juice mission is one of the most important missions this decade and the biggest standalone esa mission ever. Therefore it is a great tool to distinguish between the spacex/elon weirdos and the space enthusiast that have at least some geniune interest in space.
Congratulations on your 15K subscribers. I'm sure your videos will be noticed by many more people in a short time. The amount of research and the production quality are top notch. Your interaction with the audience is also worthy of praise. And thank you for introducing Pressure-Fed Astronaut, I enjoyed his videos a lot.
The more I look at it, the more I'm thinking we're never getting out of this rock. And the nearest star is a million times further than Mars. It might as well turn out that some things are really physically impossible, or at least not worthwhile.
Look at the the Expanse. This is a book series/show set ~200+ years in the future whose author (well, one-half of the writing duo, anyway) is an actual physicist & he’s making some optimistic assumptions about what we might be doing with fusion in the 23rd century and even there, in a hard sci-fi universe, Martians are still living spartan lives in underground cities and Belters...man, you don’t want to be a Belter.
@@grahamstrouse1165 yeah, I like the expanse, but the authors are not biologists, I think, in real world someone born on asteroid wouldn't even survive to adulthood. Martians are more realistic, but the population size on Mars in billions while it is not yet terraformed, is not. Even the idea that Earth population will be 30 billions is nonsense, considering the facts of both demographics and ecology
Here's the thing, every heard of a book called "The Millennial Project"? It's subtitled "Colonizing the Galaxy in Eight Easy Steps" and the one thing that always impressed me about it, (other than the authors ability to synergize various concepts into a pretty self supporting "plan"... Too bad it didn't make it to step one but :) ) was the author makes a very good case that colonizing the surface of the ocean on Earth as a 'prequal' to colonizing space. Why? Number one it's vastly more benign than anywhere is space BUT the difficulty and requirements are very similar to the effort needed to colonize anywhere in space. Yes trying to 'colonize' someplace like Antarctica from scratch could be argued to be a bit more similar but in context you essentially INITTIALLY have to bring your support and resources extraction equipment WITH you and build a "area" to live in from local and imported materials. Yes having a 'surface' to work with/on helps some but frankly if you START without that bias things are actually easier in the long run. And no one 'lives' there now nor is it restricted by government regulation beyond some safety and environmental stipulations. Still it would be difficult and expensive, (bonus points for the TMP working out how to make it not only 'pay' for itself but being a generator to 'pay' for space colonization later and issue none of current "colonize space now" crowd are bothering with beyond "hoping" Starlink pays for it all) to do BUT in context it would be a lot LESS than anywhere in space. So why is no on doing or suggesting doing so? Because it's NOT space and "space advocates" well, it's in the name is it not? Space is not like Earth in any form except the most basic analogy and like all analogies the more detailed look you take the less they compare. Details: 09:00: You are incorrect. When you step outside your shelter on Everest something DOES happen. You get cold. Pretty damn quick but yes, on Mars you get dead even faster :) 09:45: Could do without the "ruptured lung" bit, ti assumes far to much and adds nothing really to the point. Incapacitated in 20 seconds isn't actually true either because you can function a bit longer with some preparation, but the longer you're exposed the more damage is done. C'mon guys keep in real and don't fall into the hyperbole trap. 22:12-ish:Actually that's a WONDERFUL idea from Angry! How about some of the folks that love the concept so much, (looking at you specifically Angry) get a go-fund-me or kickstarter or something campaign to BUILD a couple "Marsha's" at the basecamp level at Everest! Sure it will cost a lot and be hard to do but think about it! Absolute PROOF that it could then be done on Mars and living PROOF that it would work as a habitat and shelter. My word man you can shut EVER denier up with only a little effort. Brilliant! Frankly that 'argument' could be made for any of the concepts or 'plans' for everything from energy production to resource extraction and beyond. It's like so many of these people, while fully understanding that people have been hard at work on these issues for almost half a century, don't understand how difficult the problems are and how equally difficult viable solutions are and how the BIGGEST hurdle is testing the proposals in a manner 'similar' enough to be a credible test. Yes, Earth is not Mars but by the very same argument Mars is not Earth so you can't simply take something that works on Earth and transfer it to Mars and expect it to work. But a major point should be that you should not expect something to work on Mars that has yet to be shown to work on Earth and accept nothing less than a full up test on Earth to begin with.
I really don't understand why they wouldn't jump at the chance to go live in Antarctica in a self-sustaining colony to prove its viable to go to mars. Almost as if they know they're talking complete and utter BS. Sometimes the little sadist in me cannot help but want for us to send people like this ''angry'' fellow to mars only to have their quite expected death broadcast to the world to demonstrate the dangers of space and living on a completely alien world, and to be able to go ''i told you so'' as they die. But only a little, sometimes...
Good video. Has anyone tried to model one of these fancy dancy 3-d printed buildings with respect to heat transfer? Mars is freaking cold. Has anyone tried to operate such a building in Antarctic cold? Suppose the cycling water freezes? HVAC modeling is an integral part of the design of new buildings intended to be operated in the mild climate of North America.
The way he painted Mars is like how my childhood church describe afterlife. I was part of the atheist revolution in the early 2010s, when I was in University. Then I started noticing something, Atheism Plus, and how it sounded eerily like the church I left. Fast forward to leaving university, I noticed that the vacuum of religion was filled with other things. People suddenly become so culty when it comes to politics on a different level than before. And then Tesla and the Musksphere. At this point, I wish these people just go back to religion. Jesus doesn't sound as bad as buying 3 cars with FSD because it will be revenue generating in the future (very green, not that I care that much for someone who lives more than 1000ft above sea level).
After a pretty big amount of discussions around the Internet I have come to some interesting conclusion: all those talks around colonization of %put_any_place_in_the_universe_here% is just another approach of cutting money from people with escapistic dreams. Those people are definitely from first world countries with all that nice stuff (including free time for Internet living) which is given to them with civilization and who are so dependable on it that their consciousness tries to avoid psychological discomfort in a such way. BTW, the same with RUclips videos about living "off grid". Where almost everything "off-grid" is purchased on Amazon and entire video is about how to build your own grid with industrially crafted things identical to those you need to live "in grid". Including Internet connection for video uploading. Meanwhile, there is a philosophical question about colonization out of Earth. If we solve technical and technological problems of human survival and adaptation to out-of-Earth conditions, does that mean we can live literally everywhere?
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Honestly a “Mars simulation” in the middle of the arctic doesn’t sound like a bad project. If you can’t build your shelter or get your new indoor farming methods to work then we can immediately rule out them working on another planet.
Frankly speaking, carefully chosen part of Sahara or high up Chile at night could be better approximation. Thermals we understand. Dust, terrain and impact on mechanisms.... that's whole different story. In another words: I would not send to Antarctica anything that didn't make cut on Iceland, Sahara and Chile.
The low gravity and atmospheric pressure and high radiation still can't be imitated tho.
But its still a good base for demos.
Or, you know, maybe just start by trying it out in an old hanger in Alameda or something.
@@espenha Toxic soil, toxic atmosphere, deadly radiation, lack of sunlight, you'll need a perfectly contained inside environment, low gravity will have terrible effects on the human body.
The Antarctic desert would be an even better place.
I usually don't like Bezos, but his statement about Mars is 100% correct. Heck, even South Pole is tropical paradise compared to Mars or Moon or any other planet. Even the Mariana trench is more livable than other planets
Bezos is an arse but you have to give him credit for everything he has achieved because everything he has achieved is the real deal and not stolen like Musk.
@Bonjour Yep, and then he used that money to become literally the largest business magnate on the planet.
That argument works sometimes, but not in this case, it’s still pretty impressive.
Muskers are just capitalists finding an excuse to boom our way to autodestruction. Colonizing other planets instead of cheaply exploring with probes while we keep the planet we have habitable.
@@theultimatereductionist7592 Who was the driving force?
@Kurapika Giovanna Wow so he just showed up one day and said "right, I'm in charge of this very successful company" and they let him? Nice.
Anyone that has truly considered how difficult and dangerous attempting a colony outside of our planet will end up truly appreciating just how lucky we are to live on this planet in the first place. We're protected by the atmosphere, magnetosphere, have copious amounts of water, environmental stability and have everything we need to live long, peaceful, prosperous lives right HERE. Those looking to MARS because they think "Earth is too screwed up"? Good - get the hell off my planet. I love this place. Just wish we took better care of it.
It' crazy to think that despite all we have due to civilization, we could basically go out in the wild anytime and live there with enough knowledge and a small community. No tech needed at all despite your clothes depending on region, you can just cut down trees to build a hut and make fires, go fishing at a nearby river, etc. Nature provides us with everything once we know how to use it.
The fact that you can't have that on Mars even with billion dollar high-tech speaks volumes.
This is why we need to bring earth with us to space by constructing o'Neill cylinders
@@theultimatereductionist7592 I'm aware of the fallacy in general, but disgree with the statement that I used it here.
I just pointed out how few efforts we need to put in in order to survive on Earth compared to Mars.
I mean... yes, nature can kill you. But if you think about every single thing humans need to survive, Earth in ridiculously habitable and truly a paradise for humans, even if the worst climate changes come true. Compared to Mars at least.
"And take that psychopath Musk with you!" - Happy Earthling
@@constantinethecataphract5949 Develop the tech and have Mckendree cylinders as well! (BOTH would be INFINITELY more habitable than trying to do anything with Mars)
"There's avalanches on Mt Everest, there's none on Mars "
Wow, comparing climbing a mountain on earth to colonizing a place like Mars is just insane.
And there are avalanches on Mars.
@@commonsenseskeptic, yup.
And as the video goes on,, I'm starting to wonder if this guy has ever ventured further than few miles from the nearest gas station/grocery store.
But there are mountains on Mars, why would somebody claim that?
And how does this negate all the other dangers that Mars presents to life?
These YT futurologists are almost as annoyning as anti-science crowd and in many cases they are worse. They make outright false claims and actually manage to sound like their hype is based on engineering and scientific facts, while it actually is just nonsense.
@@commonsenseskeptic
Even if there aren’t avalanches on Mars, at least I wouldn’t be worried about uncontrolled decompression on Everest.
So like always: Don't confuse CGI with reality.
I am in arguments on other videos where Musk fanboys say stuff like "lunar starship can do X and lunar starship can do Y"
One guy asked my how many test flights the Dyanetics lander has had and I told him exactly as many as 'lunar starship', its all so surreal
Are you implying dogs CAN'T TALK and my toys are NOT ALIVE whenever I leave the room?!
This.... Is a revelation
Something else that is often forgotten when talking about colonizing Mars is the tiny little issue of the continent sized to globe spanning sandstorms that tend to rage across the planet for weeks to months at a time.
And either no water it's like talcum power. Shits great on machines
Aren't those storms really thin though?
don't forget those storms are full of martian dust that is contaminates with toxic perchlorate.
@@NoTengoIdeaGuey They also produce unbelievable amounts of static electricity which makes the dust stick to everything. Simply cleaning the dust off of exo-suits would be a near insurmountable task.
One thing CGI does really well is using extremely wide angle lens to make a small space feels like a castle.
CGI - Con the Good Idiots.
Or Con God’s Idiots.
So did my shity realtor
Humanity can't come together to terraform Earth to preindustrial CO2 levels, but somehow we're totally gonna terraform Mars and make it habitable. Totally 😌👌
maybe only for those with the coin to remove themselves from those pesky dirty "peasants" known as normal people. But even then thats a reach.
@@HerrWayne45 thinking of starting a dead pool. Who will be the first billionaire to die in a rocket explosion.
@@The-Evil-Pangolin it counts if the guy is killed without getting inside it?
@@matheuscerqueira7952 hmmmm. As long as it is directly related to a catastrophic RUD..... then YES.
GOOD QUESTION
@@The-Evil-Pangolin Then Musk might be in the shortlist. He isn't crazy enough to board his thing but is narcissist enough to be close by when it launches. Still, the japanese dude seems a better bet for now
My friend signed up for Mars One years ago... I asked him would you "live in Antartica for 1 year, then live in sahara for 1 year, then move to Mt Everest for 1 year and then live next to Chernoybl for a year, wearing a clunky suit outside at all times and eating military rations, and every 18 months you get a drop of new supplies no matter what happens to your current supplies" - he said no, I said that was only for 4 years... now you want to go for the rest of your life? the novelty would wear off very fucking soon
Great way to handle the topic - get them thinking beyond the novelty.
right on
Which is why I've stuck to repeating the same thing. No sane, well-informed, self-respecting human actually wants to give up their life savings, their friends and all the creature comforts of Earth in order to suffer isolation, deprivation and a shortened lifespan. There is precisely zero rational self interest in that. So where are all these fare paying passengers that Elon's "business case" depend on?
Pisses off Muskrats and Mars colonisation nutters in no time flat..
p.s. The charitable version is your friend failed the "well-informed" test..
@@commonsenseskeptic It would have been even more accurate to ask him if he wanted to live out the rest of his years in Antarctica, Everest, the Sahara & at Chernobyl’s core AT THE SAME TIME. Also, MREs would likely be a luxury item. 😉
@@remo27 Mars One was idiotic. Elon's plans for Mars are merely misguided and impractical by comparison. Lets pop some bubbles here. Firstly, we're not talking billions. We're talking hundreds of billions and that's a charitable estimate of the cost of establishing the basic infrastructure Elon is talking about. Secondly, Elon doesn't have the money to fund this. There's a limit to what he can squeeze out of "investors" and Starlink isn't the cash cow that the Muskrats think it is. Its true market is a few millions of users, not hundreds of millions. Its not going to fund Mars. Nor are fare paying colonists. Think about it for a moment - what is the rational self interest in handing over your life savings in order to suffer loss, deprivation and most likely early death? Once reality sinks it, it will become apparent that there just aren't enough people who are both wealthy and self-destructive enough to pay for it. So, Mars isn't happening. At least not the colonisation nonsense. Lives of luxury? That's laughable.
Step 1: Visionaries/artists/designers/architects -> Step 2: engineers/scientists -> Step 3: reality
AI Spacefactory (and SpaceX Starship) is a typical example of what happens when you try to simply skip step 2. (though AI Spacefactory may in fact be a straight up fundraising scam, more than anything else).
Fanboys like Angry fall for the flashy presentations and then wonder why nobody takes them seriously. I'm glad CSS is here to do some good old-fashioned debunking. Keep up the great work.
Gotta laugh - The Angry Astronaut came to watch, and announced his arrival thusly:
"The Angry Astronaut
Man how bad do you man crush on me like you need me in your life I am the Lex to your Clark the joker to your bat this mini thunderf00t act is getting old you need a new hobby."
Two minutes later:
The Angry Astronaut
You know Jordan is too busy right? this is his business associate.
Sure, it is...
Oh no wonder they kept mentioning handling his "brand". I was so confused
It’s funny that the comment “…you need a new hobby.” is just another way of saying:
“go away”.
@@AmexL Or another way of saying "Please leave me alone!"
@@animatewithdermot haha yea, a veiled plea for a critical eye to be cast elsewhere. People who are either delusional or scammers have this type of response. I think for this angry astronaut guy it’s the former (delusional / wishful thinker).
These exactly are the arguments you would expect in a scientific debate - especially the ToYourClarkTheJoker - thing. Maybe he should switch back to his Marvel comics collection, I bet it's Musk's inspiration, too.
I love how the interior structures in that CGI construction rendering simply 'grow' out of thin air.
Like that cartoon of one scientist showing another scientist a 3 step chain of reasoning at a blackboard with step 2 being “and then a miracle occurs” to which the second scientist replies “I think you need to be more explicit in step 2”.
Everyone knows the martian atmosphere is dense in self assembling plastics. You just have to put the magnets in the right place and the electron envelope will take care of the rest... its called the vaun braun method
@@MaestroAlvis It's like...Magic. xD
Looks goofy but 3D printing structures is available now. Wildly not practical yet as neither time nor money is saved in construction but it will get better.
Probably automated and shot off to build the first interplanetary barn.
It literally works like a mud dobber wasp. Tons of thin balls of shit inter arching creating thousands of air voids for R-factor. Still no plan on doors or windows yet.
It's crazy that the completely wrong Syfy delusions get 100s of thousands of views and this deep dive with facts and sources gets barely 10k
Share with your friends and let’s get those numbers bumped up :)
It's because, dream is more comfortable and cool than face the fact that there's no magic.
I guess your guys glasses are always half full and with people like you we will never achieve anything cuz its just syfy for you.
@@MrTi8et Guess the glass is just full of koolaid for you, because it’s pretty easy to distinguish between fact and fiction once you start breaking the number down.
@@commonsenseskeptic You could try to make your video's more clickbaity. Veritasium actually made a very interesting video a couple month's back on how a more captivating titles and thumbnail on video's can work miracles on viewership, even on older video's:
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Angry seems to me the kind of guy who ignore radiation on Mars but is paranoid about 5G cell towers.
But what if there's an ancient alien artifact hidden on Mars that sets up an atmosphere like in Total Recall? Problem solved.
Unfortunately, that seems to be exactly what these hopes and dreams are pinned to.
GET TO THE TESLAAAAAAAAHAHHHAHAA!
@@MightyJabroni "Elon!!!! Give these people (hot) air"
@@lameduck3105 lets be real, elon would be that guy
Or, even better (but not for Mars colonization), one that allows us to discover eezo. =)
Space X, AI factory-thing... looks like NASA has switched from funding a space program, to helping scammer doing fancy CGIs -_-'
Angry needs to go to his local planetarium, they'll be happy to educate him.
I think he'll just go full karen and harass the people working their because their smart enough to know that the conman angry worships is full of shit
There's absolutely nothing for humans to do on Mars other than surviving.
Maybe studying rocks
@@KateeAngel Or studying the effects of radiation and low gravity on humans
@@wmellor87 I would start with bacteria
There's a lot of science to be done there. A human can probably do in a few hours what takes a rover a month to do. But, of course, to do research, you don't need a colony with a million random people with nothing to do except try to survive. Instead, what works best is a small temporary or regularly supplied research outpost manned by a handful of carefully picked experts who have trained for years for their trip to Mars. A bit like the research stations that exist on Antarctica right now. There is a reason we have outposts there, but no one is trying to build a city in the frozen wasteland.
@@ShieldAre I wonder how Elon would name his new idea of a city in the ice. I guess either IceX or Icebase.
As the great comedian Robin Williams about earth.
"We're living in the prime real estate, all the other planets are major fixer-uppers"
If water is all we need to survive on Mars, why not go to Ganymede, Titan, Callisto or Europa? Earth is a desert planet compared to the large icy moons.
Stephen baxter did an ok book Titan , about a scrape together one way trip to Titan with a surprising ending .
If I recall correctly, the moon Europa is so close to Jupiter that it lies in the Jovian Van Allen belt, which unlike Earths stores far more radiation and would kill you within 24 hours, unless you were deep under the surface
Mars has a number of unique features worth mentioning:
* It has a substantial atmosphere. That includes Nitrogen, Argon, and other gasses that can be useful.
* It has substantial gravity. While less than the Earth, gravity on Mars is stronger than any other place you mention. That may be important.
* It has a 24 hour day. This is coincidence but a useful one that makes adjusting to Martian cycles much easier.
I could go on, but Mars is by far the most "Earth like" planet or world that can be used for human settlement that we know about. That even includes any exoplanet discovered so far.
Those other places may be useful but have many other challenges because of how different they are.
However, more delta v is required to get to the outer solar system, and the mass ratio of a spacecraft increases exponentially with delta v, thus the amount of fuel required increases significantly.
Also, it takes way longer to travel to Jupiter and its moons compared to travelling to Mars, which significantly increases the health risks of space travel to the astronauts.
They are all salt moon's so there's that.
when they start offering free rides to Mars as a one way trip and a cool vacation but it's actually something else entirely ...this would make a great horror story
Based on a true story
I think Blade Runner has this as a premise - the "off world colonies" are billed as a paradise compared to the hell of the dystopia on Earth, but in reality the one way trips there are because anyone who goes is worked to death in the even worse conditions on the colony plqnets
I have a suggestion for Angry. If there is contradicting information from what NASA says and Elon Musk says, go with NASA.
Since choice for Artemis lander, I declare your advice officially invalid; NASA seemed to bought in to their pet stand-in company....
@@remo27 it is inside Van Allen belts. Radiation on ISS is much lower than on Mars. Also, the original comment stated listen to NASA, and NASA doesn't state it is impossible to live on ISS for months, they actually sent people to live a year there.
6:19 Perhaps Angry has seen too many images of Mars like this and doesn't really understand how false color imagery works.
This is Funny. Sad, but funny. It's funny that some fools think they know all about rocket science just because they bought a Tesla. I wonder if Angry is reading these comments, and how he is coming up with his counter-arguments. BTW, I have some friends who do have Teslas and who are not fools, so it's not all of them. :)
they believe because they want to believe they will be able to go to mars one day and it's going to solve all of humanity's problems not because they own a tesla or are less inteligent
I think people should be trying to go to Mars and attempting to terraform it. I think they should be setting up mines and habitats on the moon too along with trying to create little independent biospheres down here on Earth. That said, there's a lot more other things I think people should be doing with regards to increasing the quality of life of everyone here on Earth but people don't seem to want to bother with that and it's not like I have influence on any of their actions so I'm just glad people are trying to do some of the things I think will help humanity in the long run.
Wait until they need repairs to those teslas, and find out that no one can do them but Tesla because they don't sell parts to independent shops, and in doing so Tesla can charge like 4X as much, if they even have parts themselves, as Tesla practices in planned obsolescence, and you may be screwed for something like a suspension part that should only cost $50 + $120 in labor, but you have to buy a whole new car! They are the Apple of the car industry, and how does that help the environment? It doesn't, it's a terrible con and has huge environmental impact for the worse! So that also makes Elon Musk a liar! He's a vaporwear salesman, nothing more!
Long story short. There is NO WAY living on Mars is possible.
"If we arm everyone with hairdryers, we can have that Mars ice returned to liquid in no time."
- Elon Musk, probably.
"I swear, it's not that hard" * dumbass giggle *
He did propose to nuke Mars with 10,000 h bomb warheads
Can't imagine why anyone would want to be a irradiated slave miner on Mars when people would complain about an inopportune rain.
Someone already did a movie on this one.. :)
Saumya Cow what movie?
@@neurosp i was thinking of Total Recall
Mars colonisation advocates do not do so to eventually 'live' there themselves. They want a place to send the people to they do not want on Earth. A penal 'colony'.
@@FungalumisBush I can comprehend the idea of colonising Mars. Its a pointless activity. How does making yourself far worse off ever amount to rational behaviour?
Anyone with an ounce of common sense would understand that everything, and I mean every single thing is more difficult to do in space. To get a drink of water on Earth you just go down to the stream and cup your hand and take a sip. On Mars you either run a machine that will take your piss and recycle it or you have to dig thousands of tons of rock to sift out the ice and then purify it. A simple task becomes an enormous technical problem. And that's only one example.
Suicide would be a snap
Even if we get all of this right: Mars' gravity is just 38% of that on Earth, and I'm 100% SURE that our Earthly human bodies will adapt just fine to living in that situation....
@@remo27 The problem is that there has been zero research on biology in Martian conditions. The truth is....we don't know what will happen with people on Mars.
Any statements like you have made is pure conjecture. It lacks data to even form a reliable theory, which is not science at all.
The amount of speculation on this topic just astounds me, even by supposedly competent scientists.
@@remo27 Even what you just said is still just speculation. Perhaps well reasoned speculation and something to consider for genuine research, but nothing more than that. And admit at least you might be wrong when that data comes back.
I makes me upset to think some of this could have been studied too. Congress in its infinite wisdom cancelled a module on the ISS to study this, a module that was nearly complete and flightworthy and needing just a shuttle mission to make it functional. That ISS module is now in a museum in Japan instead of answering these important questions...important since policy decisions and budgets are being drafted based on incomplete information which could exist and billions at stake as well as life's of astronauts on the line.
I'd say, just make a giant 1g centrifuge. Lol
Supposedly such a device should have at least a 9 meter radius to prevent severe disorientation
@@GlanderBrondurg from what I know, astronauts do have to make certain excercises to keep their bones in good shape during long periods of low "experienced" gravity, meaning during their stay at the iss, so we should expect something weird to happen if we were to have colonies of people living there for decades
@@emilmullerv3519 You, nor anybody else, knows what happens in a reduced gravity environment. It is at this point pure speculation and it is disingenuous to suggest otherwise.
Yes, those on the ISS are in freefall and not experiencing more than the most insignificant acceleration do have some problems with bone loss and other health problems. Looking for those issues and being aware that it may be a problem is prudent. But let's do science on these issues and find out if it really is a problem and don't make things up. There may be other health problems that have not even been discovered on the ISS too.
I would speculate that the issues won't be as severe and that the gravity of the Moon much less Mars will make a huge difference. But I am willing to acknowledge I may be wrong and will have an open mind about these topics.
In 1957 when people first started going into space, all sorts of crazy ideas about human health abounded. Some speculated people could not eat in space or perform other tasks which are now routinely done. You should see drawings of what people thought the Moon surface looked like when rendered in the 1950s. And that wasn't so long ago. This speculation is just as ignorant from what will be known in just a decade or two.
I love this guy. 'Avalanches happen on Earth so Mars is better'. Most people could not be so obtuse on purpose.
There is a striking comparative scientific literacy between the content creators at this channel and the Mars Utopians. This is precisely the kind of content I want from a scientific RUclips channel.
Actually, Angry doesn't annoy me nearly as much as all the other YT channels that feed off Elon. Stuff like "SpaceX fans" and "Great SpaceX". Plus there's a million other channels that bought into Hyperloop etc.
he does me , that fake angry I'm so critical and knowledgeable all backed up with theatrical voice ..puke puke .
This has quickly become my favorite logic/skeptic channel on RUclips. Your videos are amazing, keep up the good work.
My thoughts are as follows:
1. People stick to their opinions/beliefs regardless of the evidence, because they tie it to their self worth.
2. To challenge their beliefs is a personal attack due to the pressure/fear of being wrong created by themselves (many reasons this could be).
3. To be a skeptic is to tie your self worth to your ability to change your opinion for the better in light of presented evidence and to think critically of the evidence presented in regards to your opinions.
So i just think many people are just hopeful and blind of choice in hopes to see some significant changes in their lifetime.
People who stick to beliefs regardless of evidence suffer from cognitive dissonance. Which is not good.
Oh i agree never said it was good i just don't judge ig
Hence, in attacking feasibility of Space colonies, you are committing Heresy.
Half of these people believe they themselves will be picked to go to mars. They are not intelligent people
Self-image carries an immense power that very few care to contemplate outside of interrogation rooms and the wonderful industry of advertising.
"Is mars a living he-" yes, 100% yes absolutely why does that question even need an answer?
Amusingly, I wouldn't consider it a living hell because you couldn't actually just live on it without an artificially created safe environment. I'd just call it a hell.
I still think people should try to go there, even if just to advance our ability to create artificial habitats. While we really should be doing that over here and using the advancements achieved for space exploration, the adventure of space exploration is what seems to inspire attempts to make such habitats, the technology of which will then be used back here on Earth.
@@niccosalonga9009 I'm not against going to Mars, but I think Titan is a more realistic destination.
@@TheSonic1685 Why Titan? Surface liquid? Water presence? Atmospheric pressure?
Distance is the problem though.
@@niccosalonga9009 Distance is indeed an issue, only real solutions are artificial gravitational rotation and a means of combating GCR's. Besides that why Titan? Well, Titan has water, and fertilization compounds for crops (amonia and nitrogen) as well as protection from the vacuum of space and radiation thanks to saturns magnetic field. Mars has none of those things.
Your videos are awesome! Can't get enough of them
To anyone who wants to go to Mars on Starship:
Research the failures of Biosphere 2
Fix the problems and live there for a decade
Discuss the additional challenges of surviving the trip to Mars and then setting up Biosphere 3
@@remo27 what does the ISS have to do with Biosphere 2? ISS is a bubble in space that requires constant resupply of food water and oxygen. The point of Biosphere 2 was to be a self sustaining colony that does not require constant resupply because it grows its own food and recycles water and nutrients.
@@remo27 so? Do you think we're even remotely close to living on Mars?
@@remo27 "but will it scale?"
@@remo27 yes and needs constant resupply , 90% recycle rate on water ,and 40% on oxygen ....cannot even wash their own clothes and just grow a few lettuce leaves all for 150 bill. bargain .
Sounds to me like Angry is volunteering to be the first person to go to mars :)
Frankly speaking, I'd even drop in for ticket for him.
Musk isn't planning on going so it wouldn't surprise me if another Mars colony promoter also doesn't want to go.
I feel Angry would be a danger to the mission. Sorry Angry.
I do believe Mars is actually a Dead Hell. There's no reason for humanity to go there. How about fixing this place first?
Anyone who thinks it's easier to live on Mars then Mt. Everest or Antarctica probably would fall for one of those "I got a bridge in Brooklyn I can sell you " scams.
The concept of the house is cool... as a cabin in the woods, I dig that. On Mars, I'd rather get a bunker :D.
Don't need to stretch... but need to pee... thanks for the reminder! :D
Concept is cool, execution is poor, company is shady. And bunkers on Mars are the way to go.
@@commonsenseskeptic Yep... 100% agree :).
You know those suicide booths in Futurama? That is basically the same thing on Mars.
No , you are thinking of cigarettes and alcohol and fast food .
Total worldwide death toll just from cigarettes and it's effects are around 1 MILLION per YEAR .
I won't even go into alcohol and the trillions in medical costs dealing with obesity related health issues and deaths .
We don't need suicide booths . You can already shorten your life quite easily .
Actually no.
Those fail yo kill you when stepping inside AND when leaving..
Mars always manages at least the ladder
Great video as always. This is probably my favourite channel right now. Thank you for making content like this.
Small correction: there is actually life in the dead sea.
no heart for you sunshine
Yep. There is a lot of life in the Dead Sea, as there is in the dry valleys however it isn’t multicellular large scale visible life.
so, so many good points covered in this ep, that are so hard to get people to look at! thank you!
At least you can breathe the air in Antarctica's Dry Valleys there's no breathing for Muskanauts on Mars.
So what is the ISS then in your big brain mind ?
Interior designer here. Circular rooms are the absolute worst rooms. No furniture fits properly, and even if they're all custom-made, the human body is simply not built to fit on a radial sofa.
90 deg angles is the way to go.
Agreed, unless you need to pressurise the space. I believe 90 def angles don't cope with that very well.
Bro. Doesn't need to follow the curve Mr Designer
Curve to fit. Rest is square.
Just tag a half circle to a square.
You sure you are a designer?
@@FizzleFX except that curves are not scalable so you can't make a modular system based on curves.
Also, your argument FOR curves is basically "don't follow curves and stick to squares".
angry is a perfect demonstration of the dunning krueger effect
Good lord, how in the hell did he make it out of high school alive? He is as smart as DSP is a valedictorian.
Blame the schools, this one slipped through. Oh "no child left behind" Okay, makes sense now.
I would’ve thought someone marketing themselves as the angry astronaut would have even the slightest education about physics
This debunking episode is like stealing candy from a toddler....stay focused on the big scammers not their mouthpieces. Good job nonetheless.
If you’ve seen Mythbusters you’ll know that steal candy from a baby is harder than it looks. This more like smothering a toddler, which is much easier. Or so I’ve heard.
If the guy can't even use a mic properly...come on. He's not even worth responding to.
What a corny criticism.
I am glad this video was made and colonizing Mars was debunked.
The whole idea of living long term on Mars is moot without nitrogen.
@@sycodeathman not enough to feed people without spending money on nitrogen condensers
Its not proven and its highly likely that the low gravity alone will be enough to make people unhealthy and have no long term viability .If you watch any life form it really only thrives in a very narrow set of conditions .Anything other than that and stuff just adapts through lots of dying or dies out completely . I cannot see why we think were different , especially when you look where we live on Earth , the very best places only .
@@MyKharli Cause no one lives in Sahara , Siberia , Tibet or the Amazon right ?
@@alokinzna certainly not in the inhospitable areas there
Who cares for atmospheric nitrogen? You do realize that without water nitrate salts are not washing out of the regulith so there is far more in the upper layers than here on earth. Mars had an atmosphere comparable to earth in the early stages so nitrogen was abundant and was sequestered in form of nitrate salts and other compounds. On earth we still mine for nitrates and I don't see why we can't do the same on Mars.
I want humans going to Mars so badly. I have a list of people to send.
I've got a little list: ruclips.net/video/1NLV24qTnlg/видео.html
Fish on Mars?
I'm barely safe with aquariums here on Earth. I had one burst leaking down to my basement and it is no fun neither for me or the fish in there. And it was by no means a big one.
And anyone who had fish knows how easy it is for them to die just from bringing them home from the pet shop.
Good luck in creating a full system aquarium than can hold the take-off and landing Gs, and good luck to those fishies surviving those and zero gravity as well. Don't forget to pack extra body bags for them.
Oh, and grilled fish on Mars... Not gonna happen! :D
And in mars you are the fish in a tank .
@@neurosp _And in mars you are the fish in a tank_ ... without any water, condemned to die!
@@theultimatereductionist7592 especially considering tardigrades have better chance to survive in Mars than on Earth, because on Earth they will be likely eaten in 5 minutes by some larger creature, while on Mars in anabiosis, they will live, I mean, sleep, for millenia.
@@KateeAngel Source:trust me bro
I only ever watched one of angry’s video’s (well not all of it) and it was clear as soon as I saw the shades & heard the monologue that it was a channel to avoid.
Watched a few of your to-date and they are impressive IMO
Awesome video! And an unpopular opinion: Musk = Deranged Idiot Tony Stark, Bezos = Down to Earth Lex Luthor.
very good comparison. I'm stealing it
Elon Musk is more like Justin Hammer
@@somerandomguy4919 That’s what I’ve been thinking ever since his Cybertruck demo... 😁
@@grahamstrouse1165 I used Stark for Musk because of the contrast between them. Musk plays the role of Stark, but it's not at all that brilliant, and Bezos plays the part of Luthor, but he is not that evil.
That's not a perfect fit but close enough.
Neither is anywhere near Stark or Luthor In terms of brilliance but, then again, Stark and Luthor aren't real.
I've always thought of Elon as something of a supervillain, though I hope his tech visions actually work out somehow in a way that doesn't endanger humanity. He seems quite brilliant at getting what he wants.
I would like to see humanity go back to the moon and on to Mars, but the only thing even remotely feasible is a small return mission ( 4 people ) which could possibly make some return fuel on the surface of Mars. The problems and cost is an enormous challenge. Any sort of colonization is far, far off and I believe would require autonomous robots to get there and setup a lot of things first, so far future. Maybe we can get back to the moon this decade if nasa smartens up, but I'm not optimistic after awarding 'starship' the lunar lander contract :(
I agree that we should aim for a sensible, limited, exploratory mission to Mars. We already have the technology needed, in a sense. But we haven't developed and proven it. As for the cost, my view is it has to be an international, cooperative effort. And this ties in with the main reason why we should go to Mars. Its not just the science, its bringing humanity together and renewing the message that cooperative behaviour and science/technology are the way forward. All this rubbish about colonisation is actually motivated by baser motives and that's the main reason I don't like it. Competition, selfishness, the privileges of the few.
As for the mechanics, all you really need (and it doesn't matter how) is a means to loft a lot of fuel into Earth orbit, cheaply enough. Fuel is the overwhelming majority of the mass needed. Once you've gained the ability to put hundreds, or thousands of tonnes of fuel into Earth orbit, its pretty straightforward figuring out how to get hundreds of tonnes of fuel into Mars orbit. And once you've done that, you've solved the "return fuel" problem.
Have a vehicle whose sole purpose is to get (a few) humans safely from Earth orbit to Mars orbit and return. A vehicle that only ever lives in space, so it can be optimised to be robust, reliable, serviceable and has a decent mass budget for radiation protection. Also, having a space-only vehicle gives you the flexibility to design for spin-gravity in a way that you cannot get with a one-sized-fits-all vehicle that has to survive atmospheric entry.
Have a minimalist Mars lander/ascent vehicle. One that lands fully propulsively so as to subject said humans to the minimum g forces. This way all you actually need to make on Mars itself is under 20 tonnes of Oxygen (the methane can be landed along with all the other one-way cargo). Having an indirect return to Earth and a minimalist purpose built Mars lander/ascent vehicle vastly reduces the problem of Mars based propellant production. You only need to make Oxygen and not a whole lot of it either.
Since you have a store of fuel in Mars orbit, it makes it a lot easier to return to Earth. And that fuel, along with all the necessary one-way cargo can be delivered separately to humans, thus allowing you to use (slow) minimal energy ballistic capture trajectories. This way you maximise the fuel stored in Mars orbit and you minimise the return trip time.
@@saumyacow4435 wow you are very dedicated to write that respond
@@espenha
Is this a joke ?
You're utterly delusional and I can tell you knew nothing about space flight before Musk came on the scene.
How is 'lunar starship', more proven technology? We will return to the moon using the same methods as got us there in the first place.
A Mars trip by anyone is highly unlikely by 2030, we will be lucky to return to the moon by then
@@espenha Its not vastly more capable of ferrying X amount of mass to the lunar surface. Not if you compare it to the obvious alternative - using Starship as a lunar orbit tanker and then sending a smaller reusable lander/ascent vehicle (like the Dynetics one) on multiple sorties. You see the price you're paying is getting something that massive (Starship) into the lunar gravity well and then back out of it. that bit of physics doesn't add up. What you need are minimalist vehicles that have a higher ratio of tankage and landed mass to fixed vehicle mass. Starship is forever a compromise because it also has to endure launch from Earth and return to Earth. That adds a lot of mass you don't need on a lunar lander.
@@espenha
Sure you are, 'lunar starship' is nothing more than a CGI rendering and I'm sorry if you lack the common sense to understand that we're not going to land on the moon with a super tall 1950's style rocket where a bloody crane is needed 100 feet off the ground to get to the surface. Good grief, aerospace engineer my ass.
And yes, I have an advanced science degree, so please don't try to bullshit me.
Angry is about as much an astronaut as musk is an engineer. They can both go to Mars together and report back.
The more in depth we go into the concept of colonizing Mars, the stupider it becomes.
Damn it, why are you making me side with Bezos?
Another great vid pointing out the flaming obvious that was being studiously ignored.
Angry is rather ignorant, but confident in his opinion. Always a dangerous combination. Believing cool looking CGI equals solid engineering, is sadly becoming increasingly common, even in major programs (was on one contract where the government auditors admitted the contractor who won a track vehicle contract .I was in, won it because their VR presentation looked so good.)
I’ve also run into space advocates who insist if you have ice, you can make air ... wait for it ... we can learn to live without nitrogen. I point out the protean in our bodies is built largely out of it. They weren’t convinced it was nessisary.
They believe entropy ran in reverse and life created itself on the early earth too without one single shred of evidence other than we are here proves it happened. Their materialism is all the proof they need even though materialism is not science, it is a philosophical worldview no different than a religion.
@@MountainFisher
Life doesn’t reverse entropy, though it does create local order. But then so does ice and snowflakes. Nothing magical about that.
Not that any of that relates in anyway to what Angry was tripping himself up on, or what materialism is about.
9:08 wind doesn't electrocute you if you piss into it... -this fan, might.
15:24 lets take another piss: I think the bottom left is a better design. Dust storms on mars can reach 100km/h. Enough to snap trees. Do you really want 2+ story tall building WITHOUT FUNDATION printed on NON-COMPACTED ground. That thing, if it doesn't tip on its own, will do so the moment the storm starts. Kinda like in the Marsian. Just tilting it a few degree could tear a hole or weaken the structure to the point there is explosive decompression (possible while ur in your fancy space bed) ... I'd say that would make for a rough nights sleep. Just in case you thought bad windows get drafty, try closing a fist sized hole on Mars while you rapidly run out of air and the temperature drops double if not 3x digits :)
Oh man, i can't wait for this
Musk fans: "We'll need to leave Earth because it may become a few degrees warmer."
Also Musk fans: "I can't wait to spend the rest of my life on a freezing desert planet sitting in a barrel made from fish poo."
Great video! I love these because I get so tired of hearing these youtubers and scam companies taking advantage of unaware people!
Lets say ppl make it to mars.They can build a base and make a life. No on talks about the mental health issues. Ppl can't spend 6 months in the antarctica research base. They stab each other over games of chess and spoilers of books in the library....
@ 4:55 Nitrogen makes up about 3% of the martian atmosphere. Though thin, it is probably enough to produce ammonium nitrate via the Haber process. This would need to be prioritized though along with O2 and H2O production..
Take Earth’s atmosphere.
Remove 99.4% of it to get to Martian atmospheric pressure.
Then remove 97% of what remains to get to Martian nitrogen levels.
Good luck collecting enough N2 to do anything useful with.
@@commonsenseskeptic I think you're making this a bigger problem than it is. Compress martian air 165 times to bring it to earth pressure. Simple pumps will do it. Distill off N2 and compress it further for optimum yield under the Haber process. Will be a lower yield than on earth say 1/26th for an equal mass of atmosphere but with the entire martian atmosphere should certainly be enough for a colony.
@@jemussi7842 The numbers don’t lie, though. And the energy required to pump a near-vacuum clean of the gasses that remain will be extreme. That’s what the Martian atmosphere is, at 0.6% of Earth’s. A near vacuum. Then, you’re trying to harvest 3% of that near vacuum? No, we’re not exaggerating that difficulty.
@@commonsenseskeptic No you are exaggerating. Compressor pmps operate on a simple pressure differential. From high school science see: www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/guides/zxy9ng8/revision/5 , the Haber process requires a pressure of 200 atmospheres for optimum yield. Pumps on earth manage this easily and would on mars. It's just that you have more steps in the process. It's not the absolute pressure that's the issue here but the relative pressure. Once you have compressed the martian air to a suitable pressure you are not 'harvesting a vacuum' as you have compressed it already. In fact the distillation process might even be more efficient than on earth because of the reduced gravity and boiling point of the distillate depending on what pressure you chose for this.
I really appreciate people who wear sunglasses indoors.. so we know they are better than us. Its courtesy, you know?
Angry wants Humans to colonize Mars, so he argues for it. You argue against it, and I really enjoy listening to both perspectives. Looking forward to Pt 2 and I hope Angry responds
Amazing work as ever css, I always look forward to your vids 👍
Thanks a ton!
Bezos comment is exactly right. I've always suggested Siberia instead. It's so easy to live there in comparison to Mars and it's nearly impossible to do so for most humans.
'Angry Astronaut' doesn't seem to be neither an astronaut, nor very angry. Can't we just refer to him as 'imbecile' from now on - for simplicity? 🤔
He made a collaboration video with Jixuan & Sebastian, two of the most dumbest Musk Shills ever. So, yeah, case closed.^^
He's not too much of a "the" too
@@florianhoppe4159 No way ..that's suicide lol
We shouldn’t worry about Mars as long as we’re still using plastic.
Angry astronaut is just one of many SpaceX shrill channels, people who will make videos about the landing legs on the 'lunar starship' and other such non-existant vapourware. The real problem is that there is a market for these channels of SpaceX fan boys who can't seem to distinguish CGI from reality.
For the record SpaceX has done some good things, but they aren't the mythical heros the fanboys make them out to be, so many seem overawed by the rockets landing back on earth, but that in itself only matters how it affects the price, otherwise its' just a giminic
Fun fact: Originally, NASA's Space Shuttle had a two-stage fully-reusable winged flyback design. However, that was cancelled due to being too expensive to develop. #FundNASA
Well someone HAD to get on with it. Rather Musk than Bezos. Didn't see Gates doing anything about it. Gov wanted private sector to do it, well what did we expect? It to not be sensationalized?
I'm not his biggest fan but to be fair to him he criticizes SpaceX a lot and makes a lot of content with enthusiasm towards many other companies. Oooh I can't stand his intros minutes in though.
Why not burrow into the ground for habitats? That seems like it would offer best cheapest protection from radiation
That's what I'm thinking. Of course to make it work, you'd need to perfect a robotic Martian version of a roadheader and skid steer loader. Doable I guess, but not easy. However, if you did have that capability then a lot of your problems (like radiation) go away, since you can put as much rock as you like between you and the sky. Perhaps you would also need to put your hab, or hab modules, onto tracks to make it easier to robotically place them inside your "cave". But that's a handy capability too. To be honest, having windows is too much of a liability. Screens and cameras would do the trick.
@@saumyacow4435 There are some things that real windows have that simply can't be copied by videoscreens. Depth perception for one - images on a screen are flat. If your habitat is in a cave or a lava tube, you could have windows looking into the cave combined with screens showing the surface.
@@HalNordmann You'll get your share of staring off into the distance when you get your hour a day allowance outside the habitat, probably from within a rover.
All other things being equal, our crappy propulsion systems are the ultimate barrier. So long as we’re stuck relying on mid-twentieth chemical rocket technology we’re not going very far. If there’s some sort of breakthrough technology (Nuclear fusion? Warp Drive?) that enables us to move more a lot more mass much more quickly and economically than we can start looking at the other problems. There are plenty of those, too, but we could at least start looking at them then.
@@espenha This is a mature technology. Saying that there’s untapped potential in chemical rockets is like saying it’s possible to beat Usain Bolt’s 100 meter world record by 2 seconds.
@@espenha We need a technology that’s orders of magnitude more powerful & efficient than chemical rockets. That’s not happening. Give it a rest, Elonian. You’re done, son.
Build me a self-sustaining arcology on Antarctica which is entirely autonomous for at least 2 years (meaning it is sealed off from the surrounding environment and requires ZERO inputs from the environment once it is built and residency starts). Lets say you have at least 4 maybe 8 people living there. You've now demonstrated mastery of the basic principles of a true self-contained arcology that is resilient in an environment with low temperatures and "no atmosphere," and presumably with a living experience inside where the residents do not go insane.
This is only the first step in a process involving probably 50+ steps required just to be READY to begin designing human habitats for Mars.
But before you do any of that: explain to me WHY would anyone ever actually NEED to visit, much less live on Mars?
Robots can achieve most of the science we might hope to achieve there. There are no resources available on Mars which cannot be more readily acquired from asteroids which have much weaker gravity wells and better prospects of acting as host bodies for rotating habitats which might offer artificial gravity more suited to human well-being than the paltry 3.7 m/s^2, which is about 38% of the gravitational acceleration on Earth. We have plenty of reason to suspect that protracted exposure to that gravity will be harmful (along with the various other environmental hazards such as radiation and toxins).
Not only is Mars a hell hole, that is centuries beyond our basic scientific and technological capacity for safe and sustainable human habitation, there is effectively zero legitimate reason to even conceive of human beings visiting the place, except for foolish and misplaced notions about the romance of the novelty of being at the place.
'Science Insider' just released a short talking about the space homes being designed. I'm glad I watched this video before seeing that. I could have easily brought into the hype.
Ah, the life of a space farmer is hard work, but honest work.
I think the biggest problem on Mars is gravity. After a year, you won't even be able to lift a Mars bar.
Well, you would be able to lift it on Mars, but not on Earth
thats a good idea though, to bring mars bars to mars, knowing thta no man has ever eaten a mars bar at a more suiting spot
@@mudgatebronn4438 True. How about Milkyway?
@@blameyourself4489 well those are appropriate to eat anywhere in the milkyway, including earth
@@blameyourself4489 Or Moon Pie
"Horrifying" is probably a good adjective for the summit of Mount Everest - when considering how easy it is to live there and the frozen corpses strewn along the route. Of course they weren't killed by avalanches - where would the snow slide down from? - and the extreme risk of death is due to the temperature and the wind, combined with the reduced oxygen, and, probably, exhaustion. Thanks to the virtual lack of atmosphere on Mars, neither the temperature nor the wind is much of a problem... But the complete lack of oxygen is, well, problematic...
The really bizarre thing is, that people like Angry get angry at the suggestion that they should try it out in an inhospitable environment on Earth before paying hundreds of billions to try it in a certainly more inhospitable environment on a different planet. That's not saying it will never ever happen, it's really just doing it the systematic way, one step at a time.
I guess the real problem is, they want to think they can move to Mars within their own lifetime (whether they would actually do it or not), and being presented with a much simpler, but real practical task that they can see will take years and years (at least) and lots of money, brings it into too sharp relief how unrealistic that hope is.
add in the mountain of frozen human poop
Are the Musk fan channels getting compensated by Musk or they just surfing the fan boi algorithm?
Musk = clicks baby
This is truth - if we wanted to start up for a pay check, we would have bought fresh kneepads for the crew. These guys are raking it in.
I'll make a Musk fan video and see what happens.
"10 reasons Thunderf00t is a bad man, number 5 will shock you"
@@IvorMektin1701 That's the formula right there. :)
@@commonsenseskeptic
Developing a script now, I hope he doesn't sue me and just laughs.
Angry has suprised me. He had covered the juice mission without bashing esa/arianespace. The juice mission is one of the most important missions this decade and the biggest standalone esa mission ever. Therefore it is a great tool to distinguish between the spacex/elon weirdos and the space enthusiast that have at least some geniune interest in space.
Congratulations on your 15K subscribers. I'm sure your videos will be noticed by many more people in a short time. The amount of research and the production quality are top notch. Your interaction with the audience is also worthy of praise. And thank you for introducing Pressure-Fed Astronaut, I enjoyed his videos a lot.
The more I look at it, the more I'm thinking we're never getting out of this rock. And the nearest star is a million times further than Mars. It might as well turn out that some things are really physically impossible, or at least not worthwhile.
We're going to need Star Trek level technology to colonize Mars. At the very least, we'll need gravity plating and fusion reactors.
I figured it’s gonna be like that if mars or the moon to colonize it.
Look at the the Expanse. This is a book series/show set ~200+ years in the future whose author (well, one-half of the writing duo, anyway) is an actual physicist & he’s making some optimistic assumptions about what we might be doing with fusion in the 23rd century and even there, in a hard sci-fi universe, Martians are still living spartan lives in underground cities and Belters...man, you don’t want to be a Belter.
No, typical nuclear power would do just fine.
@@grahamstrouse1165 yeah, I like the expanse, but the authors are not biologists, I think, in real world someone born on asteroid wouldn't even survive to adulthood. Martians are more realistic, but the population size on Mars in billions while it is not yet terraformed, is not. Even the idea that Earth population will be 30 billions is nonsense, considering the facts of both demographics and ecology
An O’Neill cylinder would be like a million times more impressive and equally as difficult as colonizing mars IMO.
Thank you so much for starting this channel people need to be shown who musk really is. Women lie men lie but the facts don't lie.
Here's the thing, every heard of a book called "The Millennial Project"? It's subtitled "Colonizing the Galaxy in Eight Easy Steps" and the one thing that always impressed me about it, (other than the authors ability to synergize various concepts into a pretty self supporting "plan"... Too bad it didn't make it to step one but :) ) was the author makes a very good case that colonizing the surface of the ocean on Earth as a 'prequal' to colonizing space. Why? Number one it's vastly more benign than anywhere is space BUT the difficulty and requirements are very similar to the effort needed to colonize anywhere in space. Yes trying to 'colonize' someplace like Antarctica from scratch could be argued to be a bit more similar but in context you essentially INITTIALLY have to bring your support and resources extraction equipment WITH you and build a "area" to live in from local and imported materials. Yes having a 'surface' to work with/on helps some but frankly if you START without that bias things are actually easier in the long run. And no one 'lives' there now nor is it restricted by government regulation beyond some safety and environmental stipulations.
Still it would be difficult and expensive, (bonus points for the TMP working out how to make it not only 'pay' for itself but being a generator to 'pay' for space colonization later and issue none of current "colonize space now" crowd are bothering with beyond "hoping" Starlink pays for it all) to do BUT in context it would be a lot LESS than anywhere in space. So why is no on doing or suggesting doing so? Because it's NOT space and "space advocates" well, it's in the name is it not?
Space is not like Earth in any form except the most basic analogy and like all analogies the more detailed look you take the less they compare.
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09:00: You are incorrect. When you step outside your shelter on Everest something DOES happen. You get cold. Pretty damn quick but yes, on Mars you get dead even faster :)
09:45: Could do without the "ruptured lung" bit, ti assumes far to much and adds nothing really to the point. Incapacitated in 20 seconds isn't actually true either because you can function a bit longer with some preparation, but the longer you're exposed the more damage is done. C'mon guys keep in real and don't fall into the hyperbole trap.
22:12-ish:Actually that's a WONDERFUL idea from Angry! How about some of the folks that love the concept so much, (looking at you specifically Angry) get a go-fund-me or kickstarter or something campaign to BUILD a couple "Marsha's" at the basecamp level at Everest! Sure it will cost a lot and be hard to do but think about it! Absolute PROOF that it could then be done on Mars and living PROOF that it would work as a habitat and shelter. My word man you can shut EVER denier up with only a little effort. Brilliant!
Frankly that 'argument' could be made for any of the concepts or 'plans' for everything from energy production to resource extraction and beyond. It's like so many of these people, while fully understanding that people have been hard at work on these issues for almost half a century, don't understand how difficult the problems are and how equally difficult viable solutions are and how the BIGGEST hurdle is testing the proposals in a manner 'similar' enough to be a credible test. Yes, Earth is not Mars but by the very same argument Mars is not Earth so you can't simply take something that works on Earth and transfer it to Mars and expect it to work. But a major point should be that you should not expect something to work on Mars that has yet to be shown to work on Earth and accept nothing less than a full up test on Earth to begin with.
At 3:42, "Baku" and "The Dead Sea" should have a minus for their elevation.
This channel is going places!
I've been at ME basecamp, discovering I could breathe.
I really don't understand why they wouldn't jump at the chance to go live in Antarctica in a self-sustaining colony to prove its viable to go to mars. Almost as if they know they're talking complete and utter BS.
Sometimes the little sadist in me cannot help but want for us to send people like this ''angry'' fellow to mars only to have their quite expected death broadcast to the world to demonstrate the dangers of space and living on a completely alien world, and to be able to go ''i told you so'' as they die.
But only a little, sometimes...
Good video.
Has anyone tried to model one of these fancy dancy 3-d printed buildings with respect to heat transfer? Mars is freaking cold. Has anyone tried to operate such a building in Antarctic cold? Suppose the cycling water freezes? HVAC modeling is an integral part of the design of new buildings intended to be operated in the mild climate of North America.
The way he painted Mars is like how my childhood church describe afterlife.
I was part of the atheist revolution in the early 2010s, when I was in University. Then I started noticing something, Atheism Plus, and how it sounded eerily like the church I left.
Fast forward to leaving university, I noticed that the vacuum of religion was filled with other things. People suddenly become so culty when it comes to politics on a different level than before. And then Tesla and the Musksphere.
At this point, I wish these people just go back to religion. Jesus doesn't sound as bad as buying 3 cars with FSD because it will be revenue generating in the future (very green, not that I care that much for someone who lives more than 1000ft above sea level).
WHO GAVE A DISLIKE
I THINK ANGRY
Probably. He's a bitter little pill.
"some people are just cancer" - electroboom
After a pretty big amount of discussions around the Internet I have come to some interesting conclusion: all those talks around colonization of %put_any_place_in_the_universe_here% is just another approach of cutting money from people with escapistic dreams.
Those people are definitely from first world countries with all that nice stuff (including free time for Internet living) which is given to them with civilization and who are so dependable on it that their consciousness tries to avoid psychological discomfort in a such way.
BTW, the same with RUclips videos about living "off grid". Where almost everything "off-grid" is purchased on Amazon and entire video is about how to build your own grid with industrially crafted things identical to those you need to live "in grid". Including Internet connection for video uploading.
Meanwhile, there is a philosophical question about colonization out of Earth. If we solve technical and technological problems of human survival and adaptation to out-of-Earth conditions, does that mean we can live literally everywhere?
Time to start a crowd fund to send Angry to Mars in the first landing. He can report back on his findings and cooking up some grits.
Mars has no future, its more possible to terraform venus over a few thousand years than to ever terraform mars 😭😂 mars has no end goal
So good!!!! Amazing content, guys! Keep it up!