How to win in Lategame against Ghosts?!
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- Опубликовано: 27 сен 2024
- Today i will have a look at one of the best games of ESL Dallas.
I will take a deep dive into what made Serral win in his lategame on oceanborn vs Oliveira.
I am convinced most other Zergs would've lost from his position so i was intrigued by this game and went over alot of small details that lead to Serral's eventual victory!
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Completely love the detail. Don't worry about the length.
Ah, thank you- this long time sc2/Zerg nerd absolutely loves this kind of analysis from pro players’ POV
This is great! Not a lot of this type of content from other content creators. I understand it might not be as widely popular as the more typical casts and stuff but it is greatly appreciated by us who likes the great in-depth insight from a pro
yea remember when we used to have like 4 content creators making deep analysis videos? I miss it.
Yeah, mad respect for Lambo
This is great content Lambo! It's good to see this from a top persepctive about what is setting Serral apart (and just high level strategy in general). I definitively wouldn't mind more of these. This semi final was the best series of the tournament.
More content like these please! Explaining what separates Serral apart from others is also a great idea. 💯
Is it that time of year again already? I'm glad we have Lambo's annual video release to remind me that I'm subscribed to him
Love that format
"You know what's great about being a zerg player watching Serral? you know he's probably going to win so you can just sit back and absorb" - Neuro
Long in-depth videos are always enjoyable on my end🎉
Love this type of content! Good to hear from you again, Lambo, and looking forward to more stuff from you.
Cheers!
Here is what was actually going on in Serral's brain: "Bupy Dup I am Serral I just always know what to do. Look at these zergling wings, how shiny!"
Schön, dass du immer mal wieder ein Video raus haust. Freut mich jedes Mal.
Awesome content! I love this type of long form analysis where we pause and consider the overall situation and how players choose to move armies around and make decisions. I could watch 8 hours straight of this from you! Only thing I'd love even more is something like finding multiple games where Serral is playing the same style and talk about the overarching themes for how he plays the style which are independent from the map or opponent.
I’ve been waiting so long for this, as you’re by far the best analyst for such games and are the only one who can make such a good video too! Hope you can do more if you get the chance
you are very handsome, and also spot on that he does the best analysis.
aww thanks haha
Hey Lambo I personally really liked your series against spirit. Good to see you back!
Love your analysis and content - thanks Lambo!
i love this replay analysis, i only watch serral videos though to be honest
Love the analysis! If you do another one from this series, I hope it is the game on ghost river. That one was crazy to me.
Love this type of replay analysis!
thanks for the video! Really interesting to learn about what kind of information triggers decisions in late game ZvT
This is the only cast/analysis of this map that even pointed out the widow mines and tanks out of position, I legitimately didn't realize Oli had so much just doing nothing all game
Sc is still alive? You are the only sc youtuber I subscribed, and a video once in a while makes me so nostalgia
I'm convinced Serral has a photographic memory.
Very interesting, good format for us who are very into the game, probably not for the casual viewer.
I recall scarlett talking about that point at 10:40 years ago. think it was a stream with noregret. but it was a while back.
Love this content more please!!
I love this kind of content.
Great video! More like this please!
Please more of this!
I also don't mind the length multiple games with reference and referral to a common theme/goal help give context to high level play
NEED MORE!!!
It might be interesting to analyze the same game from Serral's perspective and then from his opponent's perspective. It seems to me that Serral is forcing his opponents into constant decision-making situations that they simply can't always get right.
Fun video! I’m looking for inspiration in my late game ZvT so these videos are very helpful for my moral and hopefully some strategies.
Any thoughts on when to drop the spire(s) to start corrupter upgrades?
Hi lambo! Nice to watch you
very good video, prefer it to a casual cast as its something new that not everyone can do
I find it funny that serral is the first to do it and only so recently with the forward base mining to starve the opponent, as metal leaguers have been saying to do that for years i feel, at least i have.
Also, it feels like oliviera is just maybe a bit too nervous or perhaps just a bit overwhelmed which makes him miss moving the mines and tanks forward? Maybe it's also a conscious decision because serral used to run lings by so often in their scrims? ^^
This was great.
29:30 i somewhat disagree with the analysis that you cannot run in and out again. In the first attack vs. the 4 tanks and the ghost squad, serral knew the first 2 tanks were close to the ramp and he would blinding cloud them almost immediately. If he estimates there are 2 mines and 2 more tanks, he streams his zerglings forward to draw the mine shots out and runs the banes behind to kill the PF. It would've been a big mistake if oliviera had like 2-3 more tanks there or the forward-most tanks farther back. If he saw the entire army hanging out to the right of the base there, he can still back out with most of his army, having killed most workers and 2-3 tanks while only losing lings and banes. I feel only getting the PF is a gamble there, perhaps that's the big point there though...
Similar thing later in the game when he attacks the rightmost base. He runs zerglings forward and can still retreat the rest of the army if the lings encounter too much resistance, at which point he could move the entire army there to the left because that would be open then.
I'm not sure, I know lings beat ghosts in unit testing but maybe in game situations with map limitations and medivacs the ghosts come out ahead. Obviously it's easier to play the ghosts than the zerg. against AI you can just mass ghosts and win without even using snipe lol.
Most of the time sc games are back ground noise for me while I'm doing things... lambo videos I pay attention to... this one particularly
Any chance on zvp videos coming up soon? I'm so lost in zvp
yes, long in depth is the best
A bit embarrassing given how long Ive been playing... but can someone give me the idea on how to rapid fire corrosive biles? Id use Ravagers more if I could use them better
I explained how to setup rapid fire here:
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@@LamboSC2 thank you
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Where discord link?
Here it is: discord.gg/Sm3R5AT :D
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Serral doesn't even look happy in the pic he looks bored
Love the format but laughing at Oliveira's tank placement was pretty disrespectful. It would be more respectful to speak of where the better placement would be, without laughing. Sorry I'm just a bit triggered as a Terran, especially with the comment "Plus the gameplan for Terran is easier to execute than for zerg" (15:00)
You basically are saying Oliveira threw this game, but all your commentary is about how good serral is. If your gonna imply Olivera threw the game, I think you should go into more detail on his mistakes and what he should have done instead.
Ie: move the widow mines forward: to where? What else?
Those tanks you were laughing at, were they meaningful to protect the production?
they were well positioned earlier on and his mistake was that he forgot to move them forward. They defended a position that was never gonna be attacked later on because it was dead center of all of oliveiras forces, if zerg wouldve attacked there you would lose to simcity and a natural surround that can kite you into all directions. Moving them to the more exposed positions, as i did explain multiple times wouldve been the correct call.
And yes the terran gameplan in lategame is easier than the zerg gameplan, because it barely changes from map to map or from game to game and youre not the one forced to come up with solutions.
This comment is meant for the highest level of play where the zerg gameplan of continuous amoves to the freshest base doesn't work if you're not ahead.
The fact that oliveira played well overall goes without saying given how he got himself into a winning position vs Serral, and i respect his skill immensely which is why i picked his game over the games against maru to begin with.
And trust me I would laugh at myself for forgetting about 40 supply of lurkers that were sieged up as a dropdefense while dying to a push somewhere else aswell, there was no ill intention behind it.
@@LamboSC2 I appreciate the response. I immensely value your opinion. Just expressing myself.
half the top 14 people are terran, and they will probably still get buffed in the next patch. The game started out terran-biased and since then the other races still find ways to win and get terran buffed. Meanwhile terrans have not improved since the game first came out.
1:55 Why does the best zerg in the game need 5 units to defend a stupid creep tumor vs 1 reaper... and its not even on the edge and you still call it "a greedy creep tumor"?
I hate watching this interaction. I hate everything about it. Its not balanced. It favors terran in multiple ways. Its not right.
How bad does it feel to have to put thumbnails of Serral on your videos & not yourself
Even with the 4-0 score, i think Maru is still better than Oliveira.
Oliveira just bank his army while Maru can do different angle of attacks.
Let's gooo!! Always love seeing you analyze serrals games!!
Lambo, thank you so much for making this video.
I LOVE your educational content. I know that it probably doesn't make you a ton of money but I learned SO MUCH from this video.
I learn things that other people don't/can't think about. It informs my own Zerg play and I'm extremely thankful.
Keep up the content!! Love hearing your thoughts about how Serral is so good.
I enjoyed how you paced this one. Definitely prefer the pausing or rewinding to talk about important things rather than rushing to talk about something over the game.
Serral seemed jump on stuff when Oli was doing little attacks a couple of times, like when he was setting up the nukes or seiging up a bunch of libs. Was that just because serral saw all that stuff there? I wonder if Serral was aware of how much seige units were scattered around the map, like he knew if there was a decent amount of army showing face on his side that Oliveira couldn't have a high army density anywhere else. I love this kind of video, it always makes any games I watch in the future more fun as I get to look for any of the strategies or movements stuff that was pointed out here, so thanks!
Yes more videos please Lambo. Love this content.
This is great content! The more you explain the better, thats why we're here in the first place
Wow, I finally understand Zerg late game after all these years. I always thought Zerg is on the backfoot in the late game due to weaker units but I never understood that you're supposed to bank lots of resources in the midgame and then overwhelm your opponent with a bigger army (due to less workers and bigger bank) in the late game. Thank you Lambo for showing it.
That's mostly a recent trend after the nerfs to broodlords and infestors. Before that, you didn't really need to do that because broodlord infestor could trade so efficiently, but they nerfed zerg so much they now need the heavy resource advantage to be able to hold out long enough.
We like any content from you :) (answering your question at the end of the video)
Are you worried about the future of StarCraft2?
Lambo I know you're probably not doing coaching yet, but whenever it's available I would book instantly.
Really enjoy this kind of analysis. I frequently find myself asking, "How did Serral win that?" Getting an educated answer with an in-depth analysis is great!
Lambo, help me play brood war zerg for evo... im getting wrecked
21:00 he moves to the left because there is a gap in the sensor tower cover there so he can attack with surprise advantage
Great content, would love to see more about Serral from your perspective
How to win ? Neef the dam zerge. Protoss and terrain was nerf to the ground.
More of this content all of the time!
more vids like this plz
Thank you Lambo.
more please!
MORE!
The goat? Idk Artosis makes some very compelling arguements.
We all love Artosis.
But to take his takes on stuff like "balance" or "goat" seriously is just absurd.
I like this content, I would like to watch more. Thanks :)
Wow that is truly the work of a real content creator, you weren't lying!