How many old school players do we have here? Watch until the end, I throw in a new tip about when to step on the gas. Also, don't forget to read the poem in the description!
Thank you. One of my favorite forehand styles was Chris Evert. Eastern grip, straight back, straight foreward, and very energy efficient. For people who are not naturally athletic, but want to learn tennis, that simple classic stroke is the easiest to learn.
I find that if my timing is off for the day, simplifying or bringing my forehand back a decade or two helps. Once timing is regained then I can slowly bring the lag back.
I’m 73 so, yeah, I guess I’m old school (tho I’ve hit wit a semi-western fh grip for quite some time.) One consistent source of frustration: taking a lesson from a pro who insists I try all sorts of modern fh techniques. The likelihood at this stage of my life of radically changing my stroke is low. I just want the kind of help you provide: how can I be better and more consistent with the fundamentals I already possess. Thx for your very useful content
I am using an old school forehand and have been using the old school forehand for over 40 years now and now I am working on a modern forehand. I use an eastern grip to a semi western grip at times. I use an eastern grip most of the time. I just got a slinger tennis ball machine. I was hitting yesterday and I got about 60% of my shots in deep and angles were good. Great job on the video Coach.
I started copying Lendl’s forehand in the 80’s, and I still use it. Elbow back, and slam it. Focusing on my elbow, my arm and wrist go more naturally than with a modern fh. But not only Lendl can teach us something. Connors technique was surprisingly simple, and had great body rotation, something the windshield wiper copiers of modern day tennis sometimes seem to forget.
Superb tip, up there with your serve throw tip. I tired this once a while ago, felt like the best forehands i'd hit, and for some reason forgot about it. Not now. Would you say the 'step on the gas' for a short period of time applies to backhand too? And Wonderful Poem ❤
Good tip. I grew up with the old school forehand but changed to an eastern grip. Being relaxed and using gradual acceleration helps a lot. Tom do you know when Fed changed to his modern technique? You can see in the early days he had a basic loop forehand.
Nice analysis! Thanks Tom. Especially when you (or I) personally went through all that stuff (from old to modern). Perhaps you overloaded the final part of the video but on the whole a lot of interesting and useful information
I started old school in the 1970’s. When my stroke breaks down I go back to basics. In the first few strokes warming up I use my continental/eastern grip and get my timing and feel before I move to a more extreme semi-western as I step on the gas. Definitely helps to step on the gas later & ESPECIALLY taking the foot off the gas quickly!! Great tip. Better control and encourages the relaxed arm & release! You’re the best technician out there, anywhere! Happy 4th of July man!
Absolutely. Once FH breaks down it’s a great idea to start from basics. The old school from the shoulder. The most stable swing. Then slowly to build on this as you Tom rightly described the foundation.
Is it not advisable to use both shots described in the end of the video? For example if a ball is coming with slower pace or with topspin to be more “gathering momentum” vs fast paced flatter balls (but not a ball to just block hit) to have the more “Alcaraz Federer” with the late throw feel. Im wondering if it’s better to focus on one technique. Thank you for the tips!
Chat GPT poem? ; ) There’s something about the step on the gas late but short that also applies to the serve j think. Is it possible to think of it as “feel the weight” of the racquet just before acceleration w ISR motion ?
The old-school forehand you're talking about is called the 'Traditional' forehand stroke. You are so well trained in the modern forehand, your muscle memory won't allow you to do the old school one.😁 With the old-school forehand they turned to the side, stepped forward with the non-dominant foot, checked the swing in front of the nose and as you mentioned, used the Continental grip. I did that from the 70s all the way thru the 90s. There are guys in my expanded group who still use those old techniques. It looks funny but it works for them. The part about not trying to change is good advice..👍👍 I will say however it's easy to jam them up by hitting balls really high due to their Continental grip. I also notice if their opponent take the ball early and rush them, they don't have time to do all of that turning and stepping efficiently including at the net..
@@TomAllsopp for sure Mats Wilander used the full open Stance from the backcourt and when he was playing in the mid court. By the way; I have been out there playing and occasionally peek over there where you are training people. I guess you were playing this one client for points. He got a point off of you and swore he was doing something. He served to you and you hit it wide down the line. He was more jubilant and talking more smack. You had been out there training virtually all day in the heat. It was obvious to my hitting partner and myself you were holding back. It was also obvious to us you were trying to conserve energy for the next client(s) who were approaching the court. It take a lot of patients dealing with all of the different personalities and skill levels. Kudos to you because as an old head, I can't do that any more. If any of his clients are reading this, chill out. He can turn it up and rip your head off if he wants to...
Great video. I just tried this out and it was soooooo easy. Removed all my awkward elbow positions that come from thinking about lag and/or trying to whip the racquet through for more speed/spin. One Q I’d love to hear your thoughts on please Tom, especially given your love of golf…how do you think the forehand swing feels like the drill in golf where you focus on rotating with hands across your chest on opposite shoulders (I.e. removing the hands)? To me it feels v similar
How many old school players do we have here? Watch until the end, I throw in a new tip about when to step on the gas. Also, don't forget to read the poem in the description!
@psprlIn English, "Step on the gas" means "Step on the accelerator".
Tks Tom. Great video
Good tip related to accelerating late then relaxing soon after contact
“Very short step on the gas, accelerate and release” 👍
Thanks, Tom.
Thank you. One of my favorite forehand styles was Chris Evert. Eastern grip, straight back, straight foreward, and very energy efficient.
For people who are not naturally athletic, but want to learn tennis, that simple classic stroke is the easiest to learn.
Absolutely! I emulated her strokes when I was a kid. Best old school technique ever.
Tks Eric your comment got me to look at CEvert style and has changed my game. Massive tks. F the ATP/wta forehand, the lag. Classic all the way
Mac may look 70+ but he's only 64... 😅
I find that if my timing is off for the day, simplifying or bringing my forehand back a decade or two helps. Once timing is regained then I can slowly bring the lag back.
I’m 73 so, yeah, I guess I’m old school (tho I’ve hit wit a semi-western fh grip for quite some time.) One consistent source of frustration: taking a lesson from a pro who insists I try all sorts of modern fh techniques. The likelihood at this stage of my life of radically changing my stroke is low. I just want the kind of help you provide: how can I be better and more consistent with the fundamentals I already possess. Thx for your very useful content
Exactly! You’re going to love the book I’m about to release!
I am using an old school forehand and have been using the old school forehand for over 40 years now and now I am working on a modern forehand. I use an eastern grip to a semi western grip at times. I use an eastern grip most of the time. I just got a slinger tennis ball machine. I was hitting yesterday and I got about 60% of my shots in deep and angles were good. Great job on the video Coach.
There's no school like the old school.
I bet John McEnroe loves you! - he’s 64…..and probably hitting a forehand with a continental grip.
That’s what I said he was doing. Still continental. Why’s he not changed?
@@TomAllsopp😂😂😂 "You cannot be serious" ..... " Chalk flew up!!"
I started copying Lendl’s forehand in the 80’s, and I still use it. Elbow back, and slam it. Focusing on my elbow, my arm and wrist go more naturally than with a modern fh. But not only Lendl can teach us something. Connors technique was surprisingly simple, and had great body rotation, something the windshield wiper copiers of modern day tennis sometimes seem to forget.
I will try (oldsql)... thanks :)
"short step on the gas" Worked like a dream 🙏 I look like a coach 😂Soo much more satisfying and control...and top spin...and relaxed
Superb tip, up there with your serve throw tip. I tired this once a while ago, felt like the best forehands i'd hit, and for some reason forgot about it. Not now. Would you say the 'step on the gas' for a short period of time applies to backhand too? And Wonderful Poem ❤
Good tip. I grew up with the old school forehand but changed to an eastern grip. Being relaxed and using gradual acceleration helps a lot. Tom do you know when Fed changed to his modern technique? You can see in the early days he had a basic loop forehand.
Not really. Got a little too stretch out for my liking
Nice analysis! Thanks Tom. Especially when you (or I) personally went through all that stuff (from old to modern). Perhaps you overloaded the final part of the video but on the whole a lot of interesting and useful information
I started old school in the 1970’s. When my stroke breaks down I go back to basics. In the first few strokes warming up I use my continental/eastern grip and get my timing and feel before I move to a more extreme semi-western as I step on the gas.
Definitely helps to step on the gas later & ESPECIALLY taking the foot off the gas quickly!! Great tip. Better control and encourages the relaxed arm & release!
You’re the best technician out there, anywhere!
Happy 4th of July man!
Absolutely. Once FH breaks down it’s a great idea to start from basics. The old school from the shoulder. The most stable swing. Then slowly to build on this as you Tom rightly described the foundation.
Great insight Tom, the last sentence was great
Is it not advisable to use both shots described in the end of the video? For example if a ball is coming with slower pace or with topspin to be more “gathering momentum” vs fast paced flatter balls (but not a ball to just block hit) to have the more “Alcaraz Federer” with the late throw feel. Im wondering if it’s better to focus on one technique. Thank you for the tips!
I was just pointing out that players have different ways of hitting and generating power. The more time I have the bigger I swing, usually.
"the power will accrue!"
Chat GPT poem? ; )
There’s something about the step on the gas late but short that also applies to the serve j think. Is it possible to think of it as “feel the weight” of the racquet just before acceleration w ISR motion ?
yep, chatgpt. These poems are hilarious
Sinneresque?
The old-school forehand you're talking about is called the 'Traditional' forehand stroke. You are so well trained in the modern forehand, your muscle memory won't allow you to do the old school one.😁 With the old-school forehand they turned to the side, stepped forward with the non-dominant foot, checked the swing in front of the nose and as you mentioned, used the Continental grip. I did that from the 70s all the way thru the 90s. There are guys in my expanded group who still use those old techniques. It looks funny but it works for them. The part about not trying to change is good advice..👍👍 I will say however it's easy to jam them up by hitting balls really high due to their Continental grip. I also notice if their opponent take the ball early and rush them, they don't have time to do all of that turning and stepping efficiently including at the net..
Although the traditional forehand is closed stance. Everyone played off both legs, open and closed stance. Many people don’t realize this.
@@TomAllsopp for sure Mats Wilander used the full open Stance from the backcourt and when he was playing in the mid court. By the way; I have been out there playing and occasionally peek over there where you are training people. I guess you were playing this one client for points. He got a point off of you and swore he was doing something. He served to you and you hit it wide down the line. He was more jubilant and talking more smack. You had been out there training virtually all day in the heat. It was obvious to my hitting partner and myself you were holding back. It was also obvious to us you were trying to conserve energy for the next client(s) who were approaching the court. It take a lot of patients dealing with all of the different personalities and skill levels. Kudos to you because as an old head, I can't do that any more. If any of his clients are reading this, chill out. He can turn it up and rip your head off if he wants to...
Great video. I just tried this out and it was soooooo easy. Removed all my awkward elbow positions that come from thinking about lag and/or trying to whip the racquet through for more speed/spin.
One Q I’d love to hear your thoughts on please Tom, especially given your love of golf…how do you think the forehand swing feels like the drill in golf where you focus on rotating with hands across your chest on opposite shoulders (I.e. removing the hands)? To me it feels v similar
Hey tom, love your videos. I was wondering if you’re hiring anyone or need help with anything in your business/channel. Please let me know!
damn, it's the PINK socks that i like most about this video! :D Another nice vid Tom! Happy 4th!
Think that’s more of an insult than compliment. But thanks!