Hi Sideprojects, I am a commercial fisherman from NZ. I have spent most of my life down the southern ocean, between the bottom of NZ and Antarctica. There are several areas down that way where we frequently experienced waves in excess of 30 meters. How did we know, well the aft gantry on my vessel is 28 meters high and these waves exceeded the gantry by a large amount. These waves were generated over a very deep ridge running south of NZ whereby the current would run up the ridge then force the waves to boil over the ridge (this ridge averages 800 meters below the surface) I have personally seen on a flat calm day the sea boiling like a river on top of this ridge. We took these findings to NIWA, (NZ Governmental scientific institute) who placed wave buoys on these ridges and recorded waves of around 29 meters on a regular bases. Welcome to my world, it sucks! Maurice
I did commercial fishing back in my 20's, and have experienced storms with 10ish waves...and that alone was fucking terrifying. A wave triple that? Well, I can assure you, I would have been well and truly wet (and squishy) inside of my gear long before the wave touched the boat.
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I was a Quartermaster in the US Navy for 20 years and did actually get to see a rogue wave once. I was on an LHA, and we'd just gotten underway from Freemantle, Australia, and there was a tropical cyclone to the west-southwest. Average wave height was 18-20 feet, but then we climbed one wave, pitched down, and the bow slammed into the next one, which was much, much bigger. We estimated it was somewhere between 60-70 feet tall, and we took green water over the bow, (flight deck about 60' above waterline) which snapped some of the aircraft holdown chains on the forward spots. The bridge (100' height of eye above the waterline) was slammed with a wall of whitewater, which shattered two windows. One of the hatches in the foc'sle for linehandling was pushed in by the force of the impact with the wave. Even the signalmen up on the signal bridge (120' height of eye) called down to the bridge to ask what we had just happened, because the spray reached all the way up to them. So, I do like to hear the part where scientists didn't believe sailors' tales of rogue waves.
I mean, in fairness, we Sailors are known for our sea stories 😂 While I’ve never experienced a rogue wave, I have served with a couple different people who had, and on carriers. You know a wave is bad when you can feel it on one of those ships. Also: using foc’sle, instead of forecastle, in comments is an underrated move; well played!
That NZ warship clip in the video is the Southern Ocean where I worked for over 12 years. Waves over 20 meters are common down there. Winds over 100 knots are too. The bridge on the ship in my thumbnail is on the fifth deck above the waterline. It was not uncommon to be looking up from the bridge at the crest of the oncoming wave, rather than looking down at it. Heading up the wave makes your legs feel like they weigh tons, while heading back down the other side of the wave can make you feel weightless, so you can go up a stairwell between decks with a single step. The g-force is very tiring. You kind of learn to move with the motion of the ocean, so it knackers you out less. Only about one in five at best cope and work out there for years. Most people can not shake the tiredness in those conditions. I am not sure why. It's not a being tough thing, because plenty of tough people break and never sail again. It's something else. Maybe to do with balance and also to do with being able to find your second wind over and over for weeks on end. Rogue waves can happen in calm seas though. Flat conditions and then out of nowhere a big wave slaps the side of the ship.
As a young man I worked on ships that traversed the Pacific, Panama Canal, and Gulf of Mexico. As far as I was concerned they're all rogue waves and pretty goddamn scary. Ships look big tied up in the harbor but boy they are small out at sea.
To my knowledge they've never been found on the great lakes, as in a rogue wave out of nowhere, but the "three sisters" phenomenon is well documented. I've spent some time on Lake Erie and honestly it can beat you up worse than the ocean does. The waves are closer together and more choppy.
He said "non-linear effects". Non-linearity is a requirement for chaos, but it doesn't imply chaos. And apparent randomness does not imply chaos. A single rogue wave out of the blue caused by non-linearity does not indicate chaos.
I was on a cruise ship passing about 100 miles off cape Hatteras and we were having waves up the third public floors windows so like 30ft. And then out of nowhere it looked like a small mountain in front of the ship. And the whole front of the ship dipped far enough to feel it in the midsection and I and half of the people got thrown onto our backs. It smacked up against the 7th floor windows. The buffet was closed from broken plates and stuff thrown around. Games were ripped from the wall in the arcade and moved accross the room. Basicly everything in the ship was thrown backwards and then forwards like posideon was just playing boats in the bath. I still swear if that wave hit the side of the ship instead of headon there would have been a story on world news about us being capsized
@@deandre1988 okay I guess deck. I forgot the deck levels but i just remembered that it was 6 levels/decks above the lowest one passengers were allowed on which sat right at about the water line in dock. So I guess if that makes it easier. So 7 decks above waterline in port. Stuff was thrown around all over the boat. Pool was basicly emptied from the sloshing. The buffet was closed for hours from all the broken plates and other things. I still think if we hit that wave at any angle other than head on we were fucked
In one of the early seasons of 'deadliest catch' one of the crab boats is hit by a rogue wave. It happened at night, so it's all footage of the aftermath. Several of the crew members also told stories about seeing other crab boats suddenly swallowed by the see. Ships going down with all the lights still on etc.
The Northwestern took one and you could see the damage to her steel hull. Sig actually saw it coming and warned the crew on deck in time for them to grab onto something. 2 second warning and they got a grip on a part of the ship before it could wash them overboard.
I know science and anecdotes dont always go together, as you cant refute science with an anecdote. But this is one of those cases where I have always been like "If the men who all they do is live, breathe, and sleep sea, consistently, for centuries at this point, talk about massive waves of murderous water, it should be something to not just say "Well math says they dont exist".
Few scientists have traditionally been interested in the input of people outside their field. Especially from the working class. Science was the private garden of the (male) gentry. There’s still a lot of old world nonsense in all branches of science, but some things are much improved, even over the last 20 or so years. Science is still vehemently opposed to blue collar participants, but remote sensing, radically improved access to large scale data processing and high speed networks have seen scientifically useful data collection and analysis happening in formerly ignored places like ocean going freighters, oil and gas rigs and even space. That allows researchers to get information without having to mingle with the workers.
@@boglenight1551 The interesting part is that the stories of unusual sea creatures reduced as the use of powered ships increased. Maybe they don't like noise? In the accounts of the Graf Zeppelin's trip around the world they speak of seeing whales, giant Sunfish and "creatures the like of which have never before been seen".
@@JohnJ469 There's a really good video from The Atomic Frontier, looking at the statistics of large sea creatures and what is/isn't known, and using those tools estimates that there are likely 6 undocumented, large species left that could fit within the environments that we travel.
The idea of a rogue hole in the water scares me at least as much. Not necessarily logical, because obviously you can drown from a wave, but the idea of falling down into the water, deep, deep into the water, terrifies me.
Before I started sailing professionally I was a trainee onboard Training Ship Danmark, this was in 2006, and I will never forget one the nightshifts I had as a trainee. Rotation had me at the wheel, with the bridge right behind me when I noticed a large, dark shadow on the starboard side of the ship. Alerting the on duty officers, they told me to hook in, and started warning everyone else on duty to do the same. I was also told to change heading 30 degrees towards starboard. After the wave passed we had been pushed 45 degrees of the original course towards port side. I can't say exactly how big the wave was, but at least 20m tall probably significantly taller than that. It seemed almost as tall as the rigging of the ship. If I hadn't hooked my harness into the ship, I would have been washed straight of the ship.
Rogue waves have been part of Irish folklore forever. And not even in the distant past. As was mentioned in this video most people dont actually live to tell the tale but the Irish Sea has had multiple examples of both direct hits and near misses. No doubt much more research will be done but I'd suggest countries such as Ireland, Portugal, South Africa etc are great places to just sit and watch!
I've encountered a rogue wave off of the SE coast of Australia in 2011. The ship's bridge was 150m aft and the spray still reached us. It was like dropping into a hole in the sea and then hitting a wall of water at the other side.
I can account for having experienced a minor rogue wave. I work on a 15m search and rescue boat in Norway, and one day early this year we went out on an exercise. We drove out to an area subjected to the waves and wind from the open ocean, and the wave height was around an average of 2 meters. Not enough that we had to slow down, so we went at over 30 knots, and suddenly we went over a wave that had to be at least 5 meters tall. I could count the seconds we were airborne. Hit the water again so hard it knocked out one of the engines, and even with air suspension seats I hurt my back from the impact
The kraken is just a myth... > We find living giant squid. Rogue waves are just a myth! > we find dozens of incidents of rogue waves. I dunno man, these superstitious sailor stories & reports are becoming quite reliable.
My dad’s friend was a sea captain for 30 years on oil tankers and he described this phenomenon saying it is supposed to be a fairy tale but he’s seen several. It’s just another example of people reporting something only to be told it’s not real but later it turns out to be true. He said scientists would tell him that it’s impossible. He used to just laugh and say “did you read about that in one of your fancy college books? “Have you ever even been to sea?” Yeah I tend to believe people who have experience and not people who never went out and did anything. Experience is far more accurate than opinion.
The difference between science and experience is mostly the method and the peer review. Science can tell us a lot about many things, but its an ongoin process and imperfect just like anything else. Experience, for example, is very prone to embelishment, portraying things as more than what they are. Often the embelisher even believes the embelishment. However, when scientific observational data doesn't exist, then asking people with practical experience is definitely better than just doing some and deciding something exists or doesn't based on that.
@@wfb.subtraktor311 However in this case it was due to science being founded on false assumptions and there being a definite desire to avoid contrary evidence. "My theory says it is impossible and so you must be a liar and a fraud" is the exact attitude. I'm Australian and there are few things funnier or more stupid than the "scientific" explanations for the Min Min lights. These bozos have never seen one but they're certain they know all about them. They have a theory, doncha know...
@@JohnJ469 Science has come a long way and has been wrong about many things, but science is not knowledge, it is the systematic pursuit of that knowledge. And, of course, science is also done by people, often very smart people, who are aware of their intellect, which can often be their downfall. But science still makes the most accurate predictions overall on almost anything. There might be some fringe cases, like extreme weather events, where science still falls flat, but again, science isn't about knowing everything, it is about pursuing knowledge. Sadly, many scientists tend to forget that their models are just models and not reality. Especially physicists seem to be prone to that. "If math says multiverses exist, then multiverses must exist", is one of the best examples. Even though multiverses don't actually have any testable observations, making them entirely unscientific. The there you have the problem with freak waves. If observing them means almost certain death, then it is pretty much impossible to create testable observation, with the focus being on TESTABLE. Once remote sensing became prevalent, scientists quickly realised their mistake, since the observations became testable without imminent danger to life
@@wfb.subtraktor311 I don't disagree at all. It's just been my experience that science tend very much towards hubris. And a failing to recognise the unspoken assumptions that are made. I always think of the Dark Matter idea. All the calculations as far as I've been able to tell make 2 unspoken assumptions; 1. Gravity works the same way for DM as for Baryonic matter. 2. There is only 1 type of DM.
@@JohnJ469 Yes, scientists often forget where the line is between their paradigms and their actual observational data. They will take their paradigms as granted and reject anything that challenges the paradigm, unless there is overwhelming evidence against it. This has the benefit of filtering out a lot of bullshit ideas, but it also makes science very resistant to change, even when change is needed. Often, scientists fear that this will undermine the legitimacy of their field of study, or they are just simply stuck in their prevalent thought pattern for so long that they can't let go of them. In the end, scientists are humans, with the same pitfalls as everyone else.
You mean after decades of research scientists decided that the people chosen to Captain huge ocean liners actually know what they are talking about? Amazing. Maligning the reputation of professional sailors due to "impossible" accounts only to find out the sailors were correct. To top it off there's been a complete lack of humble pie from the scientific establishment.
It’s not maligning anybody, sailors throughout history had a long tradition of being superstitious, and frankly lives with the truth. they are also talking about things that Nobody else can see which sound completely unbelievable, so how does anybody just tell fact from fiction. Just believing somebody because they say they saw something isn’t a good reason to believe anything.
@@conors4430 One problem is that only people who spend their lives at sea would ever have the opportunity to see them. You won't find any legends in Utah about tsunamis for the same reason. You're right about believing people because they say something up to a point. I live in a land with egg laying mammals and black swans so there are weird things out there. Then there are the unspoken assumptions we make today when reading old accounts. Think of the Kraken stories, we enlarge the mental picture of the creatures size because modern ships are huge. But in the 1400s they were often only 50 feet at the waterline. The ocean going Viking ships were 100 feet long but only had a low freeboard, making sailors easy prey. And squid happily eat humans, there are several accounts from WW2 about survivors of torpedoes ships being dragged down. Most people don't read ships logs and so don't know that whalers recorded catching sperm whales with squid sucker scars 2 feet across on their hides. For comparison a squid that is 25 feet long has suckers 2 inches in diameter. In 1978 something (presumably a squid) tried to lunch on the sonar bulb of the USS Stein in 1978. The SS Waratah was destroyed in 1909 by a natural disaster in sight of the coast yet nothing has ever been found of the ship. We always have to be careful that we disbelieve because of a logical reason and not simply because we don't _want_ to believe.
@@JohnJ469 I do A level maths and I did some quick calculations with the Draupner Wave. I don't know how you are with maths and I at least think this is fairly hardcore so i'll explain as best i can. This did turn out to be quite long but i think it's way better to back up and (try to) explain how i got my numbers rather than whipping them up and expecting you to believe them out of the blue. So, Science thought that wave height and wind speed were directly proportional, (if plot them on a graph, as one goes up, so does the other) This is what tends to be observed in laboratories and more crucially there was no evidence other than observations. The thing with observations though is just because someone is qualified, it doesn't mean that they are incontrovertible. And if you use the maths below, the latter was definitley an option The linear model was accepted because there's a fairly close correlation (correlation is how closely 2 parameters follow a trend) between the two however, the further away a point is from the trend the less likely it becomes. You can actually work out the probability of certain events with the normal distribution. The idea is the probability of an event follows a curve. the average is in the middle and is the peak and the probability gets less and less likely the further away you are. If you take the average storm wave to be 3m high, the probability of the draupner wave (about 25m high) happening range from 1.899x10^-8 to 1.225x10^-13 depending on how nice i am with the numbers. And I can get up to 2.52x10^-45 if i'm not. I freely admit these numbers are probably wrong but even so i still reckon the actual probabilities are absolutely tiny, they are so small that it easy to see why scientists and mathmeticians have doubts. Remember this is based on the linear model so all of it is technically wrong but hopefully this at least gives you some idea as to how insane rogue waves are according to the linear model
@@joeogle7729 I haven't a clue what "A" level maths is supposed to mean. I only got as far as Lorentz Transformations in Relativity physics. I'm quite happy to accept your maths. The problem is that it was based on two unspoken and unacknowledged assumptions; 1. The incorrect assumption that "wave height and wind speed were directly proportional". 2. That the real world oceans work like a tank in a lab. The first gave the problem of interpreting data (real world observations) from the POV of whether the data matched the expected results from the theory. When the data didn't fit it was the *data* that was rejected rather than modifying the theory. ruclips.net/video/LIxvQMhttq4/видео.html It doesn't matter how insane rogue waves looked compared to the model, it only becomes a problem when the model is being confused with reality. And let's not forget that we aren't talking about just verbal or written accounts, many of these ships were heavily damaged. I can't think of her name but an Italian liner in the 30s was hit just after passing into the Atlantic. She limped back to port with the portside cabins 90 feet above the waterline ripped open, the outer walls of the cabins were ripped off. The second is obviously problematic. I will add that the use of correlation in this (and in many other fields using statistics) is completely misleading as it ignores one of the basic principles of statistics "Correlation is not Causation". It ignores the idea that wind strength *and* wave height might *both* be a product of a third and unknown factor. The same misuse is seen in basic ecology where the Arctic Lynx and Hare population in Canada show incredibly close correlation. They are used as an example of the Hunter/Prey population cycle. It's complete rubbish but still used today. A model is not reality and science is not helped by people forgetting that. That's really all I'm saying.
I find the Mexican Wave scarier. You just recover from one wave when you get hit by another from the other side. It's impossible to switch over your beer umbrella that quickly.
Great video on rogue waves! Personally, I think that the rogue waves are probably responsible for some of the Bermuda Triangle disappearances and probably others around the world. Thanks for the interesting videos Simon! So excited about the new channel! 😁
@@jmax8692 I think that's OP's kinda point? That rogue waves could have caused some of the disappearances that are attributed to the Bermuda Triangle? OP, I think you're probably right with it too!
When two waves adds up you get twice the amplitude so 4 times the energy. This is only possible because when two waves interfere with each other the energy lost due to destructive interferences goes into constructive interferences. Truly frightening.
I watched waves near the coast of Kauai, Hawaii, wherein they slammed into a solid cliff and rebounded, with one outgoing wave out of every half dozen or so meeting another incoming wave, both of them at their maximum crest. It was a blustery day, so in spite of not meeting the heights discussed in this video (probably 10 or 12 meters maximum, although I was looking down on them which made it hard to judge) it gave a very vivid demonstration of waves reinforcing one another.
Apparently, no one has mentioned this yet but the title of this video was misleading, at best. A "tsunami" is not a rogue wave and vice versa. A Tsunami is a known phenomenon when the ocean floor is raised in a local area (as in a undersea earthquake). The floor pushes up the column of water above it. Tsunamis are fairly short in deep waters but gain height as they get into shallower waters. Secondly, the term "tsunamis of the Seas" sounds really strange since tsunamis occur nowhere else than the seas. I really liked your video but, as you can see, the title could use some tweaking!
Thought it's technically incorrect, they probably just used "tsunami" because it's an easily recognized word that most people associate with "giant wave", even if it really does mean "harbor wave" in Japanese.
A single rogue peak at thousands of peaks per second would bot be noticeable. You are simply noticing a greater difference between the volume of your voice and the volume of your surroundings - you don't actually get louder.
Thoughty2 did this a few weeks ago. Also, didn't satellite observation of the oceans find that there were around 10 a day around the globe. So much for a 1:10,000 year phenomenon.
@@thearchive8499 What the F does which side of the isle he may lean have to do with this. Are you one of those people for which everyone must be view through the lens of politics? Geez, grow up and get a life FFS.
As a boy I was fishing with my father on off the SW coast of Block Island, RI, USA. There was a storm a few hundred miles out to sea and large swells were rolling in probably the best guess I would say 30'-40' swells. We would drift towards shore allowing the prevailing wind to push us and when almost too close my father would start the boat and go back out a half mile or so to drift in again while we cast lures. We came to the end of a drift, just as my father was starting the motor I noticed two waves in an angle coming towards us but they merged and we went from rising to 30' to over 50' on the top of that wave. The scariest part was it was not straight but 'bowed' with us in the middle of that bow so the wave broke right under us, with our boat just narrowly falling back instead of down the front of the braking wave. It was the largest wave I had ever encountered and I was a commercial fisherman. I never want to be on top of a wave like that again.
Been at sea for over forty years, loads of these waves around, I've sailed round the world and they're everywhere. There is footage from the Caledonian Vigilence ERRV in the North sea where she takes a 100+ footer and footage from other standby vessels where they just let the camera run in a storm like bigwavemaster1, there are constant huge seas, often appearing in a different direction to the main swell.
Having served as crew aboard a 60 foot fishing trawler in May of 1970 out of Shem Creek in Mount Pleasant, SC, we were about 300 miles out in the Atlantic, when a northwest storm caught up to us that really made for a wild ride. I would have to estimate the waves were at least 40 feet high, but strangely the troughs were at least 70 feet deep. The helmsman quartered the course we were on. This lasted for about four hours, and I'm glad I had the experience of being in a storm at sea, and I never ever want to experience it again.
“Rogue holes” are a phenomenon that seriously intrigues me. Also makes me wonder how many ships encountered rogue holes and took dives they never recovered from.
The thought that such waves are "rare", just because a ship doesn't happen to be in that location to witness such an occurrence is a bit nuts/crazy/clueless/absurd. The oceans are vast, nearly beyond comprehension vast, and their vast surface is sparsely dotted with comparatively teeny tiny little boats widely scattered about. Why do humans, especially but not exclusively those employed in any specific field of a science, ever assume they know everything there is to know about their field? Big, very big mistake!!! 🙄
It’s not about thinking they know everything, it’s about the darter you have collected changing your conclusion. The ability to collect reliable data did not exist. Somebody telling you they saw something out at sea that you can’t verify isn’t good data. So the signs changed when the data became more reliable to suggest that the scientists were wrong, and then it changed. That’s our science works, that’s why science works
In electronics a "soliton wave" is a well understood physics resonance effect. Caused when wave-forms of multiple frequencies combine to form a exceptionally large wave-form. When wave-forms combine together in a specific time-period to add together each wave-forms energy together in to one very large wave. First studied and demonstrated by Nikola Tesla. So its not surprising, in the oceans multiple waves formed by wind combined with water together to produce a very large "soliton wave". They are most likely formed by coastal structures forming a resonance cavity which produces exceptionally large waves. In a specific location and time period. But even in a open sea, surface wave-forms, generated by wind moving over the sea. Can produce a singleton "soliton wave" even on open waters. Which can be very dangerous if the specific conditions to produce such "soliton wave " are not recognized to be occurring.
Wow. Things that science can't measure, that shouldn't exist? Surely, you jest. "The wisest man is the one who recognizes how LITTLE he knows," opines Sasquatch.
When the MV Darbyshire sunk with all hands during a typhoon in 1980 it was initially posited that a rogue wave may have been responsible, it wasn't until almost 25 years later that a cause for the disaster was finally discovered and the rogue wave theory was finally put to bed.
The way that this proven but extremely difficult to observe wave phenomenon occurs just seems to justify some of the weirder "space anomalies" seen on Star Trek. So much of the observational problem is due to the vastness of the ocean (or space): even if you and 100 different crews spend all of your lives traveling different parts of the ocean together you will have observed less than 0.1% of the surface area of the ocean and probably only at times with fair weather. Rare doesn't mean non-existent and humanity constantly has to relearn this lesson.
It just goes to show, that as smart as scientists think they are, and as much as they think they know, they can be completely blinkered to reality if it does not fit their narrative. I think we will find this to be the case in other , more kooky topics in the not too distant future. IE, the tic tac.
That's precisely what makes them scientists instead of old men at the local coffee shop. They admit when they're wrong and, ime, get more excited about being wrong than about being right.
@@StrangeTerror A lot of the time, they dont admit they are wrong though. They will just ridicule and ignore the topic. As they did with people reporting enormous waves.....
Next, the even less understood corollary; Rogue Troughs The ocean drops out from under you, hidden in the gaps of waves, you plunge into the 20ft wide 40ft deep gap, gaining so much momentum you slam through the other side already 30 feet below the surface 😰
during the Perfect Storm here in Gloucester, the boat in the Clooney Movie was hit they took was from a wave over 100 Feet tall...the boat was around 80 feet..laden with fish..they didn't stand a chance, all hands were lost.
Great video!!! As a professional mariner my heart is with all those who have the courage to face and find balance with our planets most volatile environment. And to anyone who doubts the warning of a sailor i dare you then to walk in their shoes. It may be easy to judge from shore. Fair winds and seas my friends
In 2005 a ship I was on was hit broadside by such a wave. It only punched out a single porthole on the fifth deck of the ship but it did so with enough force to rip the ceiling material off a single stateroom, shatter all the glass in the room, bow the entry door two feet into the passageway, and flood almost half the ship’s fifth deck with salt water. Astoundingly, despite having their stateroom flooded almost completely full of water, the couple in the room survived with mostly minor injuries. By morning, the ship had the guests effected relocated to upgraded accommodations and the carpet on half an entire deck replaced. The efficiency of the response was impressive.
I was on a cruise ship that was hit by a rogue wave. Tipped it right over, and me and a handful of survivors had to make our way to the bottom of the boat so we coul get out... Almost didnt make it. No not really. It was a good movie though, the original not the remake. 👎
At 7:43 I know you’re actually saying as the wave length gets shorter, the wave peaks get higher. But the actual words that come out of your mouth are “as the wave gets shorter, it also gets taller” and man If that didn’t fuck with my head for a solid minute lmaooo.
Always been fascinated by hydrodynamics. Throw one stone into the lake and the result is eerily predictable, throw two and it gets messier if you look close enough, three and you cannot predict anything you'll see after the waves met. Rogue waves are probably peaks that erupt from the clashing of waves at a certain angle and so on...It's...SO cool, I desire nothing more than my own lakeshore with rocky cliffs to throw stones from while being stoned out of my mind watching wave patterns.
Very teeny tiny version: observe water striders (insects) on a puddle. One will pump a leg up and down and send out miniature waves, and another on the opposite side will respond when he gets the signal. I don't know whether that's love or war. :-)
my dad (rip) was a professional sailor (first mate ) 1940's to early 1950's on cargo ship/boats plying the waters of the north sea area where waves/swells were up around 100 ft during severe storm events and he had many a hair raising story about these times and he noted other ships nearby would disappear in between the high crests of these waves. one of the trips on a 3 mast schooner work boat they were caught in a winter storm at night with temperatures around minus 30 f and huge swells splashing on deck and freezing it with ice and also threatening to sweep the sailors off deck into the dark ocean and certain death but luckily they made it back to port to the disbelief of the harbour master. ⚓
I would suggest watching the BBC documentary titled Freak Waves. It also explains that they're not caused by earthquakes. Also, your title is incorrect.
"Believe the science." Scientist spent decades dismissing "fishing tales" about rogue waves. Then in '96 a rogue wave was captured on video; wow, the fishing tales were correct.
Ever since I saw Jeff Bridges' 1996 film, White Squall about The Albatross, I have been morbidly fascinated with whether white squalls are real. There is literally nothing on RUclips answering this question, so it appears maybe rogue waves are the same thing. From this comment section, they are horrifyingly real.
Before I watch another country get washed away, I would like to ask for a favor. I stopped here, because today I realized, that as A.I. takes over, 5G comes alive, and computers are smarter then we are, there are only around 50-100 topics on, You Tube. Your channel is good, I just happened to stop on a flooding video, which is one of the top 50. Would you do a video, on just how many topics come up on social media, and are they really relevant? So, I will let you decide. Thanks, Brother James Kendall Moore OSB OFS OSC.
They are horrific. And they are, at least in the worst cases, shaped like an abomination -- very short wavelength + very high crest. Yes, giant and/or colossal squid are mysterious and creepy, but a 30+ meter (100+ foot) rogue wave is the stuff of nightmares (especially if they hit on a moonless night -- yikes).
What about the 'grey beards' of the Southern Ocean? My dad once read a book about Shackleton's expedition to the Antarctic. One of the most compelling parts of the story was when a small number of the members were forced to sail from Antarctica to South Georgia by rowing boat. The so-called 'grey beards' are waves that never stop but continue going around the globe along the 60th parallel between Antarctica and the neighbouring three continents to the north. Their description of the waves was that they towered 50 meters above their little boat!
I don't understand...the North Sea has a minimum temperature of 17C???? (2:37). How is that possible even in summer??? The lake I live beside barely reaches 20C and we have hot summers.
Not your best video. And mis-leading title. 1) How Tsunamis are formed is known, and are not Rogue waves. 2) Constructive and destructive interference is a well known phenomenon in electronics and Audio where waves add together or cancel (destroy) each other when they meet. habit
wind isnt the rogue wave... but rather the disrupter of the equal positioning of waves worldwide... once the timing becomes out of sync it struggles to speed and slow specific waves, to adjust the overall balance. Some waves inevitably become combined from speeding up and slowing down... the law of synchronicity applies to these waves - thats my theory and im stickin to it
Do you ever watch one of Simon's videos and think to yourself: that was feckin interesting, I might just comment under said video. Only to realise that you have indeed watched the video before, actually commented then and completely forgot. Yeah, well that. lol
Interested in Al Osborne's Schrodinger equation work -- those equations kicked my butt in college but interested in their application to oceans, which can be envisioned, rather than potential wells, which cannot...
Hiya @Sideprojects The annual average SST of the Arctic Ocean is 1.32 ± 1.5 °C and not 17 celcius at least not for a couple of million years, can you correct this?
Note that the "nonlinear effects" described here has quite a bit more depth to them as this type of rouge wave arises from the Schrödinger equation of quantum mechanics. Basically any type of wave can propagate these types of waves since everything really exists in a superposition of waves that compose the wavefunction of the universe which encompasses the variation within the quantum fields that give rise to matter energy and the likes. Basically big systems propagate large scale quantum effects.
Not that i dont find this subject intersting, but in what way are naturally occuring wave frequency conversion, or earthquakes or landslides in any way classified as a project. much less a side or a mega.
Claiming the Gulf Stream may be dying due to climate change is as ignorant as that moronic movie The Day After. Temperature is not the only, and may be the least, factor behind the Gulf Stream.
What makes me angry is how many, like almost all, unusual phenomenon are dismissed out of hand by the so called 'scientific community'. I had a lifelong career as a reliability engineer and as such discovered a lot of major issues with engineering projects with major household-name companies. Almost every time my reports were initially dismissed. I took great professional pleasure in gradually convincing the management that I was right. I have some spectacular examples, we are talking millions even billion dollar problems. And of course afterwards I said "I told you so." Then left for the next project and company.
Because whether you like it or not, science deals with reliable forms of data collection, not just somebody saying they saw something somewhere. And our ability to accurately collect data from multiple places at once with reliability and with less and less human error has only increased. Don’t blame scientist for doing their job, it’s not their job to just accept what somebody tells them. That’s not science, that’s dogma. And it still the best tool we have to figure out truth because it will at least admit where it’s wrong, even if it takes awhile.
Me high as fawk- kinda like when me n my friend jump on the trampoline, eventually the momentum of our weight combines and rockets one of us into the air 🤦♂️
Check your facts! North sea minimum of 63 degrees or 17 Celsius. If your photo with ice bergs is the artic say so. -1 to + 3 C is more likely. Pull up your socks!
What about asteroid or meteors? One would expect a splashdown to produce a very high and localized wave that would dissipate relatively quickly like throwing a stone in a pond?
I went tbrough an f9 on the Harewich- Hook of Holland Ferry...the waves thst broke over the ship that day was deffo a Rogue ...our planet does her own thing xx
Okay now i know Simon has a dark past behind his beard due to the jumper hes wearing.... It looks alot like the ones we got given in HMP lol Simon spill, what you done boyo?
I don't suppose you'll chill out on the ads or talking a mile a minute, but I thought I'd throw the idea out for maybe at least one of your channels because I know people who can't take it, and I personally, could do without the loud ads at the end when I might have just nodded off. Thank you.
Hi Sideprojects,
I am a commercial fisherman from NZ. I have spent most of my life down the southern ocean, between the bottom of NZ and Antarctica. There are several areas down that way where we frequently experienced waves in excess of 30 meters. How did we know, well the aft gantry on my vessel is 28 meters high and these waves exceeded the gantry by a large amount. These waves were generated over a very deep ridge running south of NZ whereby the current would run up the ridge then force the waves to boil over the ridge (this ridge averages 800 meters below the surface) I have personally seen on a flat calm day the sea boiling like a river on top of this ridge. We took these findings to NIWA, (NZ Governmental scientific institute) who placed wave buoys on these ridges and recorded waves of around 29 meters on a regular bases.
Welcome to my world, it sucks!
Maurice
dude get some video of that for all of us to see
Thanks for going through the act of reporting it, citizen scientist! We need more of you.
Sincerely,
a Scientist.
I did commercial fishing back in my 20's, and have experienced storms with 10ish waves...and that alone was fucking terrifying. A wave triple that? Well, I can assure you, I would have been well and truly wet (and squishy) inside of my gear long before the wave touched the boat.
Fascinating eggskull
I'm waiting for the Simon Whistler RUclips singularity, when the combined minutes of Simon's daily RUclips content exceeds the number of minutes in a day. The chances of this event ripping apart the fabric of spacetime are low, but not zero.
Allegedly....
If we get Mudan to edit, it's totally possible
"Plastic Spoons... Todahy, we'll be taking a look into what makes these simple little tools... change our world for the betta. (Cuts) BUT FIRST LETS HEAR A WORD FROM AH SPONSER"
I've been sick the past few days and absolutely binging all of his content and I can almost guarantee that we have passed this point
I was a Quartermaster in the US Navy for 20 years and did actually get to see a rogue wave once. I was on an LHA, and we'd just gotten underway from Freemantle, Australia, and there was a tropical cyclone to the west-southwest. Average wave height was 18-20 feet, but then we climbed one wave, pitched down, and the bow slammed into the next one, which was much, much bigger. We estimated it was somewhere between 60-70 feet tall, and we took green water over the bow, (flight deck about 60' above waterline) which snapped some of the aircraft holdown chains on the forward spots. The bridge (100' height of eye above the waterline) was slammed with a wall of whitewater, which shattered two windows. One of the hatches in the foc'sle for linehandling was pushed in by the force of the impact with the wave. Even the signalmen up on the signal bridge (120' height of eye) called down to the bridge to ask what we had just happened, because the spray reached all the way up to them.
So, I do like to hear the part where scientists didn't believe sailors' tales of rogue waves.
Was it the USS Bullshit
yeah, i think sailor and navymen know more about the sea than some scientists.
I mean, in fairness, we Sailors are known for our sea stories 😂 While I’ve never experienced a rogue wave, I have served with a couple different people who had, and on carriers. You know a wave is bad when you can feel it on one of those ships.
Also: using foc’sle, instead of forecastle, in comments is an underrated move; well played!
Whahey! My Mrs home town! Fremantle just btw, but glad you got to visit. WA is a pretty great place to live.
@@mattsmith5421 Translation: I didn't watch the video. ;)
That NZ warship clip in the video is the Southern Ocean where I worked for over 12 years. Waves over 20 meters are common down there. Winds over 100 knots are too. The bridge on the ship in my thumbnail is on the fifth deck above the waterline. It was not uncommon to be looking up from the bridge at the crest of the oncoming wave, rather than looking down at it. Heading up the wave makes your legs feel like they weigh tons, while heading back down the other side of the wave can make you feel weightless, so you can go up a stairwell between decks with a single step.
The g-force is very tiring. You kind of learn to move with the motion of the ocean, so it knackers you out less. Only about one in five at best cope and work out there for years. Most people can not shake the tiredness in those conditions. I am not sure why. It's not a being tough thing, because plenty of tough people break and never sail again. It's something else. Maybe to do with balance and also to do with being able to find your second wind over and over for weeks on end.
Rogue waves can happen in calm seas though. Flat conditions and then out of nowhere a big wave slaps the side of the ship.
How fascinating! I would never guess that riding waves would be so exhausting. Thanks for the insight!
I think you need to do a MEGA Projects episode on Simon Whistler’s RUclips career!
His existence was always denied but now he can be seen everywhere.
You mean, a Mega-Sideprojects?
@@Dwendele Simon Whistler talking about Simon Whistler!? Damn, that could break reality 😬
Maybe just a biographics episode
Not just Simon , but Danny ,Sam , etc I would love to hear more about where you came from you deserve it.
As a young man I worked on ships that traversed the Pacific, Panama Canal, and Gulf of Mexico. As far as I was concerned they're all rogue waves and pretty goddamn scary. Ships look big tied up in the harbor but boy they are small out at sea.
I call them 'little tin cans'
Oceans aren't the only places you can find rogue waves. They've also been known to occur on Lake Superior from time to time.
Why do I hear Gordon Lightfoot playing in the background???????
I think its happened before on lake Michigan
To my knowledge they've never been found on the great lakes, as in a rogue wave out of nowhere, but the "three sisters" phenomenon is well documented.
I've spent some time on Lake Erie and honestly it can beat you up worse than the ocean does. The waves are closer together and more choppy.
Kinda scares me how powerful the great lakes can be. It's more or less a sea
@@RidinDirtyRollinBurnouts I gotta say it's pretty cool tho, definitely visit our lakes during the spring, summer, and fall :)
So, in the end, rogue waves are random events with exact causes still unknown to us. Sounds like ... chaos. Dr. Ian Malcolm is vindicated once again.
He said "non-linear effects". Non-linearity is a requirement for chaos, but it doesn't imply chaos. And apparent randomness does not imply chaos. A single rogue wave out of the blue caused by non-linearity does not indicate chaos.
Life.......finds a way
@@godfreypigott thank you, Captain Literal. You must be great fun at parties.
@@JohnDrummondPhoto Oh, so you weren't literally trying to refer to chaos - interesting.
@@godfreypigott oh, so you apparently have no sense of humor whatsoever. Not very interesting.
I was on a cruise ship passing about 100 miles off cape Hatteras and we were having waves up the third public floors windows so like 30ft. And then out of nowhere it looked like a small mountain in front of the ship. And the whole front of the ship dipped far enough to feel it in the midsection and I and half of the people got thrown onto our backs. It smacked up against the 7th floor windows. The buffet was closed from broken plates and stuff thrown around. Games were ripped from the wall in the arcade and moved accross the room. Basicly everything in the ship was thrown backwards and then forwards like posideon was just playing boats in the bath. I still swear if that wave hit the side of the ship instead of headon there would have been a story on world news about us being capsized
Floor? What deck was it?
@@deandre1988 okay I guess deck. I forgot the deck levels but i just remembered that it was 6 levels/decks above the lowest one passengers were allowed on which sat right at about the water line in dock. So I guess if that makes it easier. So 7 decks above waterline in port. Stuff was thrown around all over the boat. Pool was basicly emptied from the sloshing. The buffet was closed for hours from all the broken plates and other things. I still think if we hit that wave at any angle other than head on we were fucked
Was that the Norwegian Dawn in 2005?
@@chrismurphyracing94 No, Scandinavian Sunset.
I’d have shit my girlfriends knickers.
In one of the early seasons of 'deadliest catch' one of the crab boats is hit by a rogue wave. It happened at night, so it's all footage of the aftermath. Several of the crew members also told stories about seeing other crab boats suddenly swallowed by the see. Ships going down with all the lights still on etc.
The Northwestern took one and you could see the damage to her steel hull. Sig actually saw it coming and warned the crew on deck in time for them to grab onto something. 2 second warning and they got a grip on a part of the ship before it could wash them overboard.
I know science and anecdotes dont always go together, as you cant refute science with an anecdote. But this is one of those cases where I have always been like "If the men who all they do is live, breathe, and sleep sea, consistently, for centuries at this point, talk about massive waves of murderous water, it should be something to not just say "Well math says they dont exist".
Few scientists have traditionally been interested in the input of people outside their field. Especially from the working class. Science was the private garden of the (male) gentry.
There’s still a lot of old world nonsense in all branches of science, but some things are much improved, even over the last 20 or so years. Science is still vehemently opposed to blue collar participants, but remote sensing, radically improved access to large scale data processing and high speed networks have seen scientifically useful data collection and analysis happening in formerly ignored places like ocean going freighters, oil and gas rigs and even space. That allows researchers to get information without having to mingle with the workers.
Well tbf these are the same sailors who speak of mermaids and sirens.
@@boglenight1551 Yeah. Unfortunately they did sort of go out of their way to undermine their own trustworthiness.
@@boglenight1551 The interesting part is that the stories of unusual sea creatures reduced as the use of powered ships increased. Maybe they don't like noise? In the accounts of the Graf Zeppelin's trip around the world they speak of seeing whales, giant Sunfish and "creatures the like of which have never before been seen".
@@JohnJ469 There's a really good video from The Atomic Frontier, looking at the statistics of large sea creatures and what is/isn't known, and using those tools estimates that there are likely 6 undocumented, large species left that could fit within the environments that we travel.
The idea of a rogue hole in the water scares me at least as much. Not necessarily logical, because obviously you can drown from a wave, but the idea of falling down into the water, deep, deep into the water, terrifies me.
There is speculation that's what causes some of the mysterious stuff in the Bermuda Triangle.
Giant deep holes that swallow you.
Before I started sailing professionally I was a trainee onboard Training Ship Danmark, this was in 2006, and I will never forget one the nightshifts I had as a trainee.
Rotation had me at the wheel, with the bridge right behind me when I noticed a large, dark shadow on the starboard side of the ship. Alerting the on duty officers, they told me to hook in, and started warning everyone else on duty to do the same. I was also told to change heading 30 degrees towards starboard. After the wave passed we had been pushed 45 degrees of the original course towards port side. I can't say exactly how big the wave was, but at least 20m tall probably significantly taller than that. It seemed almost as tall as the rigging of the ship. If I hadn't hooked my harness into the ship, I would have been washed straight of the ship.
Rogue waves have been part of Irish folklore forever. And not even in the distant past. As was mentioned in this video most people dont actually live to tell the tale but the Irish Sea has had multiple examples of both direct hits and near misses. No doubt much more research will be done but I'd suggest countries such as Ireland, Portugal, South Africa etc are great places to just sit and watch!
I've encountered a rogue wave off of the SE coast of Australia in 2011. The ship's bridge was 150m aft and the spray still reached us. It was like dropping into a hole in the sea and then hitting a wall of water at the other side.
It chilling to have such a clear example of something so lethal no one lives to tell of it.
I can account for having experienced a minor rogue wave. I work on a 15m search and rescue boat in Norway, and one day early this year we went out on an exercise. We drove out to an area subjected to the waves and wind from the open ocean, and the wave height was around an average of 2 meters. Not enough that we had to slow down, so we went at over 30 knots, and suddenly we went over a wave that had to be at least 5 meters tall. I could count the seconds we were airborne. Hit the water again so hard it knocked out one of the engines, and even with air suspension seats I hurt my back from the impact
well i'm glad you're still here :)
The kraken is just a myth... > We find living giant squid.
Rogue waves are just a myth! > we find dozens of incidents of rogue waves.
I dunno man, these superstitious sailor stories & reports are becoming quite reliable.
Yes i remember when they started finding giant squid
My dad’s friend was a sea captain for 30 years on oil tankers and he described this phenomenon saying it is supposed to be a fairy tale but he’s seen several. It’s just another example of people reporting something only to be told it’s not real but later it turns out to be true. He said scientists would tell him that it’s impossible. He used to just laugh and say “did you read about that in one of your fancy college books? “Have you ever even been to sea?” Yeah I tend to believe people who have experience and not people who never went out and did anything. Experience is far more accurate than opinion.
The difference between science and experience is mostly the method and the peer review. Science can tell us a lot about many things, but its an ongoin process and imperfect just like anything else. Experience, for example, is very prone to embelishment, portraying things as more than what they are. Often the embelisher even believes the embelishment. However, when scientific observational data doesn't exist, then asking people with practical experience is definitely better than just doing some and deciding something exists or doesn't based on that.
@@wfb.subtraktor311 However in this case it was due to science being founded on false assumptions and there being a definite desire to avoid contrary evidence. "My theory says it is impossible and so you must be a liar and a fraud" is the exact attitude.
I'm Australian and there are few things funnier or more stupid than the "scientific" explanations for the Min Min lights. These bozos have never seen one but they're certain they know all about them. They have a theory, doncha know...
@@JohnJ469 Science has come a long way and has been wrong about many things, but science is not knowledge, it is the systematic pursuit of that knowledge.
And, of course, science is also done by people, often very smart people, who are aware of their intellect, which can often be their downfall. But science still makes the most accurate predictions overall on almost anything. There might be some fringe cases, like extreme weather events, where science still falls flat, but again, science isn't about knowing everything, it is about pursuing knowledge. Sadly, many scientists tend to forget that their models are just models and not reality. Especially physicists seem to be prone to that. "If math says multiverses exist, then multiverses must exist", is one of the best examples. Even though multiverses don't actually have any testable observations, making them entirely unscientific.
The there you have the problem with freak waves. If observing them means almost certain death, then it is pretty much impossible to create testable observation, with the focus being on TESTABLE. Once remote sensing became prevalent, scientists quickly realised their mistake, since the observations became testable without imminent danger to life
@@wfb.subtraktor311 I don't disagree at all. It's just been my experience that science tend very much towards hubris. And a failing to recognise the unspoken assumptions that are made.
I always think of the Dark Matter idea. All the calculations as far as I've been able to tell make 2 unspoken assumptions;
1. Gravity works the same way for DM as for Baryonic matter.
2. There is only 1 type of DM.
@@JohnJ469 Yes, scientists often forget where the line is between their paradigms and their actual observational data. They will take their paradigms as granted and reject anything that challenges the paradigm, unless there is overwhelming evidence against it. This has the benefit of filtering out a lot of bullshit ideas, but it also makes science very resistant to change, even when change is needed.
Often, scientists fear that this will undermine the legitimacy of their field of study, or they are just simply stuck in their prevalent thought pattern for so long that they can't let go of them. In the end, scientists are humans, with the same pitfalls as everyone else.
You mean after decades of research scientists decided that the people chosen to Captain huge ocean liners actually know what they are talking about? Amazing. Maligning the reputation of professional sailors due to "impossible" accounts only to find out the sailors were correct. To top it off there's been a complete lack of humble pie from the scientific establishment.
I suspect you are cryptically referring to your denial of the real science of climate change, and the other real science of evolution.
It’s not maligning anybody, sailors throughout history had a long tradition of being superstitious, and frankly lives with the truth. they are also talking about things that Nobody else can see which sound completely unbelievable, so how does anybody just tell fact from fiction. Just believing somebody because they say they saw something isn’t a good reason to believe anything.
@@conors4430 One problem is that only people who spend their lives at sea would ever have the opportunity to see them. You won't find any legends in Utah about tsunamis for the same reason. You're right about believing people because they say something up to a point. I live in a land with egg laying mammals and black swans so there are weird things out there.
Then there are the unspoken assumptions we make today when reading old accounts. Think of the Kraken stories, we enlarge the mental picture of the creatures size because modern ships are huge. But in the 1400s they were often only 50 feet at the waterline. The ocean going Viking ships were 100 feet long but only had a low freeboard, making sailors easy prey. And squid happily eat humans, there are several accounts from WW2 about survivors of torpedoes ships being dragged down.
Most people don't read ships logs and so don't know that whalers recorded catching sperm whales with squid sucker scars 2 feet across on their hides. For comparison a squid that is 25 feet long has suckers 2 inches in diameter. In 1978 something (presumably a squid) tried to lunch on the sonar bulb of the USS Stein in 1978. The SS Waratah was destroyed in 1909 by a natural disaster in sight of the coast yet nothing has ever been found of the ship.
We always have to be careful that we disbelieve because of a logical reason and not simply because we don't _want_ to believe.
@@JohnJ469 I do A level maths and I did some quick calculations with the Draupner Wave. I don't know how you are with maths and I at least think this is fairly hardcore so i'll explain as best i can. This did turn out to be quite long but i think it's way better to back up and (try to) explain how i got my numbers rather than whipping them up and expecting you to believe them out of the blue.
So, Science thought that wave height and wind speed were directly proportional, (if plot them on a graph, as one goes up, so does the other) This is what tends to be observed in laboratories and more crucially there was no evidence other than observations. The thing with observations though is just because someone is qualified, it doesn't mean that they are incontrovertible. And if you use the maths below, the latter was definitley an option
The linear model was accepted because there's a fairly close correlation (correlation is how closely 2 parameters follow a trend) between the two however, the further away a point is from the trend the less likely it becomes. You can actually work out the probability of certain events with the normal distribution. The idea is the probability of an event follows a curve. the average is in the middle and is the peak and the probability gets less and less likely the further away you are. If you take the average storm wave to be 3m high, the probability of the draupner wave (about 25m high) happening range from 1.899x10^-8 to 1.225x10^-13 depending on how nice i am with the numbers. And I can get up to 2.52x10^-45 if i'm not. I freely admit these numbers are probably wrong but even so i still reckon the actual probabilities are absolutely tiny, they are so small that it easy to see why scientists and mathmeticians have doubts.
Remember this is based on the linear model so all of it is technically wrong but hopefully this at least gives you some idea as to how insane rogue waves are according to the linear model
@@joeogle7729 I haven't a clue what "A" level maths is supposed to mean. I only got as far as Lorentz Transformations in Relativity physics.
I'm quite happy to accept your maths. The problem is that it was based on two unspoken and unacknowledged assumptions;
1. The incorrect assumption that "wave height and wind speed were directly proportional".
2. That the real world oceans work like a tank in a lab.
The first gave the problem of interpreting data (real world observations) from the POV of whether the data matched the expected results from the theory. When the data didn't fit it was the *data* that was rejected rather than modifying the theory. ruclips.net/video/LIxvQMhttq4/видео.html It doesn't matter how insane rogue waves looked compared to the model, it only becomes a problem when the model is being confused with reality. And let's not forget that we aren't talking about just verbal or written accounts, many of these ships were heavily damaged. I can't think of her name but an Italian liner in the 30s was hit just after passing into the Atlantic. She limped back to port with the portside cabins 90 feet above the waterline ripped open, the outer walls of the cabins were ripped off.
The second is obviously problematic.
I will add that the use of correlation in this (and in many other fields using statistics) is completely misleading as it ignores one of the basic principles of statistics "Correlation is not Causation". It ignores the idea that wind strength *and* wave height might *both* be a product of a third and unknown factor. The same misuse is seen in basic ecology where the Arctic Lynx and Hare population in Canada show incredibly close correlation. They are used as an example of the Hunter/Prey population cycle. It's complete rubbish but still used today.
A model is not reality and science is not helped by people forgetting that. That's really all I'm saying.
I find the Mexican Wave scarier. You just recover from one wave when you get hit by another from the other side. It's impossible to switch over your beer umbrella that quickly.
Great video on rogue waves! Personally, I think that the rogue waves are probably responsible for some of the Bermuda Triangle disappearances and probably others around the world. Thanks for the interesting videos Simon! So excited about the new channel! 😁
@@jmax8692 I think that's OP's kinda point? That rogue waves could have caused some of the disappearances that are attributed to the Bermuda Triangle?
OP, I think you're probably right with it too!
When two waves adds up you get twice the amplitude so 4 times the energy.
This is only possible because when two waves interfere with each other the energy lost due to destructive interferences goes into constructive interferences.
Truly frightening.
I watched waves near the coast of Kauai, Hawaii, wherein they slammed into a solid cliff and rebounded, with one outgoing wave out of every half dozen or so meeting another incoming wave, both of them at their maximum crest. It was a blustery day, so in spite of not meeting the heights discussed in this video (probably 10 or 12 meters maximum, although I was looking down on them which made it hard to judge) it gave a very vivid demonstration of waves reinforcing one another.
Apparently, no one has mentioned this yet but the title of this video was misleading, at best. A "tsunami" is not a rogue wave and vice versa. A Tsunami is a known phenomenon when the ocean floor is raised in a local area (as in a undersea earthquake). The floor pushes up the column of water above it. Tsunamis are fairly short in deep waters but gain height as they get into shallower waters.
Secondly, the term "tsunamis of the Seas" sounds really strange since tsunamis occur nowhere else than the seas. I really liked your video but, as you can see, the title could use some tweaking!
Thought it's technically incorrect, they probably just used "tsunami" because it's an easily recognized word that most people associate with "giant wave", even if it really does mean "harbor wave" in Japanese.
I wonder if a rogue wave explains the occurrence of your voice suddenly being really loud when the room goes randomly quiet ...
Oh wow, that's an interesting thought!
A single rogue peak at thousands of peaks per second would bot be noticeable. You are simply noticing a greater difference between the volume of your voice and the volume of your surroundings - you don't actually get louder.
Thoughty2 did this a few weeks ago. Also, didn't satellite observation of the oceans find that there were around 10 a day around the globe. So much for a 1:10,000 year phenomenon.
They did. They also showed them regularly in the North Sea where "science said" the water was too shallow for them to form.
Yes but Thoughty2 is a spoiled Tory.
@@thearchive8499 What the F does which side of the isle he may lean have to do with this. Are you one of those people for which everyone must be view through the lens of politics? Geez, grow up and get a life FFS.
As a boy I was fishing with my father on off the SW coast of Block Island, RI, USA. There was a storm a few hundred miles out to sea and large swells were rolling in probably the best guess I would say 30'-40' swells. We would drift towards shore allowing the prevailing wind to push us and when almost too close my father would start the boat and go back out a half mile or so to drift in again while we cast lures. We came to the end of a drift, just as my father was starting the motor I noticed two waves in an angle coming towards us but they merged and we went from rising to 30' to over 50' on the top of that wave. The scariest part was it was not straight but 'bowed' with us in the middle of that bow so the wave broke right under us, with our boat just narrowly falling back instead of down the front of the braking wave. It was the largest wave I had ever encountered and I was a commercial fisherman. I never want to be on top of a wave like that again.
1:20 - Chapter 1 - Wave science
3:30 - Chapter 2 - From legend to reality
8:40 - Chapter 3 - An ongoing story
Do one on the sinking of the fitzgerald! Could be interesting to hear you talk about the rogue wave theory
Been at sea for over forty years, loads of these waves around, I've sailed round the world and they're everywhere. There is footage from the Caledonian Vigilence ERRV in the North sea where she takes a 100+ footer and footage from other standby vessels where they just let the camera run in a storm like bigwavemaster1, there are constant huge seas, often appearing in a different direction to the main swell.
Having served as crew aboard a 60 foot fishing trawler in May of 1970 out of Shem Creek in Mount Pleasant, SC, we were about 300 miles out in the Atlantic, when a northwest storm caught up to us that really made for a wild ride. I would have to estimate the waves were at least 40 feet high, but strangely the troughs were at least 70 feet deep. The helmsman quartered the course we were on. This lasted for about four hours, and I'm glad I had the experience of being in a storm at sea, and I never ever want to experience it again.
“Rogue holes” are a phenomenon that seriously intrigues me. Also makes me wonder how many ships encountered rogue holes and took dives they never recovered from.
Reminded me of a song from The Gathering, "Fear the Sea". As much as I love oceans I'm simply terrified of that big abyss
I caught that, Simon and writers, I caught that pun - NEW WAVE indeed! Hah! The only thing New Wave interfered with was the sanity of a few folks LOL
Weeeeird Science!
Mann , I found him after a while and he is just as good as I remember lmao
Found whom? How did you lose them?
*waiting here for an answer*
Found simon
@@krismoore8295 Allegedly.
The thought that such waves are "rare", just because a ship doesn't happen to be in that location to witness such an occurrence is a bit nuts/crazy/clueless/absurd. The oceans are vast, nearly beyond comprehension vast, and their vast surface is sparsely dotted with comparatively teeny tiny little boats widely scattered about. Why do humans, especially but not exclusively those employed in any specific field of a science, ever assume they know everything there is to know about their field? Big, very big mistake!!! 🙄
It’s not about thinking they know everything, it’s about the darter you have collected changing your conclusion. The ability to collect reliable data did not exist. Somebody telling you they saw something out at sea that you can’t verify isn’t good data. So the signs changed when the data became more reliable to suggest that the scientists were wrong, and then it changed. That’s our science works, that’s why science works
Someone asking Simon how many channels on YT he is on
Simon: "Yes"
The ocean is easily one of the most beautiful, amazing and terrifying things known to man.
I say rogue waves are caused by a pissed off Aquaman telling ships to get off his lawn.
In electronics a "soliton wave" is a well understood physics resonance effect. Caused when wave-forms of multiple frequencies combine to form a exceptionally large wave-form. When wave-forms combine together in a specific time-period to add together each wave-forms energy together in to one very large wave. First studied and demonstrated by Nikola Tesla.
So its not surprising, in the oceans multiple waves formed by wind combined with water together to produce a very large "soliton wave". They are most likely formed by coastal structures forming a resonance cavity which produces exceptionally large waves.
In a specific location and time period.
But even in a open sea, surface wave-forms, generated by wind moving over the sea. Can produce a singleton "soliton wave" even on open waters. Which can be very dangerous if the specific conditions to produce such "soliton wave " are not recognized to be occurring.
Wow. Things that science can't measure, that shouldn't exist? Surely, you jest.
"The wisest man is the one who recognizes how LITTLE he knows," opines Sasquatch.
When the MV Darbyshire sunk with all hands during a typhoon in 1980 it was initially posited that a rogue wave may have been responsible, it wasn't until almost 25 years later that a cause for the disaster was finally discovered and the rogue wave theory was finally put to bed.
The way that this proven but extremely difficult to observe wave phenomenon occurs just seems to justify some of the weirder "space anomalies" seen on Star Trek.
So much of the observational problem is due to the vastness of the ocean (or space): even if you and 100 different crews spend all of your lives traveling different parts of the ocean together you will have observed less than 0.1% of the surface area of the ocean and probably only at times with fair weather.
Rare doesn't mean non-existent and humanity constantly has to relearn this lesson.
It just goes to show, that as smart as scientists think they are, and as much as they think they know, they can be completely blinkered to reality if it does not fit their narrative. I think we will find this to be the case in other , more kooky topics in the not too distant future. IE, the tic tac.
That's precisely what makes them scientists instead of old men at the local coffee shop. They admit when they're wrong and, ime, get more excited about being wrong than about being right.
@@StrangeTerror A lot of the time, they dont admit they are wrong though. They will just ridicule and ignore the topic. As they did with people reporting enormous waves.....
Next, the even less understood corollary; Rogue Troughs
The ocean drops out from under you, hidden in the gaps of waves, you plunge into the 20ft wide 40ft deep gap, gaining so much momentum you slam through the other side already 30 feet below the surface 😰
Jeez, that's even more terrifying, lol. The whole ocean essentially turns into the rogue wave from your perspective.
The largest contributor to the Gulf Stream is the Corriolis Affect, not temperature differential
Constructive interference. It can be seen in any fluid system including air.
you neglected to mention the satellite survey they did that found rogue waves were pretty common.
Haha A Rogue New Wave, now _that's_ what you gotta look out for! 😅 🎸
just a note.. earth observation satellites have measured lots of these wave over 30 meters.. and some higher.. a few times a day on the earths oceans
during the Perfect Storm here in Gloucester, the boat in the Clooney Movie was hit they took was from a wave over 100 Feet tall...the boat was around 80 feet..laden with fish..they didn't stand a chance, all hands were lost.
Next weeks episode of Into the Shadows: How Simon trapped Danny in the basement and started a Slavery based RUclips empire
I don’t know if I want to know about anything dark considering the world now. I’m kinda getting my fill with current events.
Enjoyed this, but it should have been twice as long with twice as much info!
Great video!!! As a professional mariner my heart is with all those who have the courage to face and find balance with our planets most volatile environment. And to anyone who doubts the warning of a sailor i dare you then to walk in their shoes. It may be easy to judge from shore.
Fair winds and seas my friends
In 2005 a ship I was on was hit broadside by such a wave. It only punched out a single porthole on the fifth deck of the ship but it did so with enough force to rip the ceiling material off a single stateroom, shatter all the glass in the room, bow the entry door two feet into the passageway, and flood almost half the ship’s fifth deck with salt water. Astoundingly, despite having their stateroom flooded almost completely full of water, the couple in the room survived with mostly minor injuries. By morning, the ship had the guests effected relocated to upgraded accommodations and the carpet on half an entire deck replaced. The efficiency of the response was impressive.
I was on a cruise ship that was hit by a rogue wave. Tipped it right over, and me and a handful of survivors had to make our way to the bottom of the boat so we coul get out... Almost didnt make it.
No not really. It was a good movie though, the original not the remake. 👎
Sounds like an adventure
New Wave, lol! Still remains one of my favourite music styles. Interesting video, now I feel like watching 'The Poseidon Adventure' :)
New Order, Blondie, Depeche Mode, Eurythmics, Ultravox... I'm only 18 but New Wave is absolutely where it's at...
‘Rogue waves don’t tend to leave survivors’….love the ‘dry’ humour…
This reminds me of the “1000 year floods” that hit somewhere in America once a decade lol
Well what was once one in a century, is now multiple times a decade thanks to climate change.
How many channels do you have?? wtf
Scientists not believing professional sailers, sailors and marines. Even tho ships would come in with damage 70-100 feet above the water line.
More than the ocean! NOAA strongly suspects that rogue waves are what happened to the Edmund Fitzgerald (Great Lakes).
At 7:43 I know you’re actually saying as the wave length gets shorter, the wave peaks get higher. But the actual words that come out of your mouth are “as the wave gets shorter, it also gets taller” and man If that didn’t fuck with my head for a solid minute lmaooo.
Always been fascinated by hydrodynamics. Throw one stone into the lake and the result is eerily predictable, throw two and it gets messier if you look close enough, three and you cannot predict anything you'll see after the waves met. Rogue waves are probably peaks that erupt from the clashing of waves at a certain angle and so on...It's...SO cool, I desire nothing more than my own lakeshore with rocky cliffs to throw stones from while being stoned out of my mind watching wave patterns.
Very teeny tiny version: observe water striders (insects) on a puddle. One will pump a leg up and down and send out miniature waves, and another on the opposite side will respond when he gets the signal. I don't know whether that's love or war. :-)
2:30 “the North Sea’s minimum temperature of 17 degrees Celsius.” - righto champ, what science degree did you do again?
my dad (rip) was a professional sailor (first mate ) 1940's to early 1950's on cargo ship/boats plying the waters of the north sea area where waves/swells were up around 100 ft during severe storm events and he had many a hair raising story about these times and he noted other ships nearby would disappear in between the high crests of these waves. one of the trips on a 3 mast schooner work boat they were caught in a winter storm at night with temperatures around minus 30 f and huge swells splashing on deck and freezing it with ice and also threatening to sweep the sailors off deck into the dark ocean and certain death but luckily they made it back to port to the disbelief of the harbour master. ⚓
There are more Simon Whistler channels, than grains of sand in the ocean and beach
Rogue waves can be explained by chaos theory.........in other words........we got no freakin' idea.
I would suggest watching the BBC documentary titled Freak Waves. It also explains that they're not caused by earthquakes. Also, your title is incorrect.
"Believe the science." Scientist spent decades dismissing "fishing tales" about rogue waves. Then in '96 a rogue wave was captured on video; wow, the fishing tales were correct.
Dios te ama bendiciones 🇨🇴 Bogotá abrazos
Came for the bear moths, was no disappointed
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Ever since I saw Jeff Bridges' 1996 film, White Squall about The Albatross, I have been morbidly fascinated with whether white squalls are real. There is literally nothing on RUclips answering this question, so it appears maybe rogue waves are the same thing. From this comment section, they are horrifyingly real.
Before I watch another country get washed away, I would like to ask for a favor. I stopped here, because today I realized, that as A.I. takes over, 5G comes alive, and computers are smarter then we are, there are only around 50-100 topics on, You Tube. Your channel is good, I just happened to stop on a flooding video, which is one of the top 50. Would you do a video, on just how many topics come up on social media, and are they really relevant? So, I will let you decide. Thanks, Brother James Kendall Moore OSB OFS OSC.
Like sneaker waves... or a box of chocolates... been in a few. Thank God it was a small fast boat , and it powered over it!
They are horrific. And they are, at least in the worst cases, shaped like an abomination -- very short wavelength + very high crest.
Yes, giant and/or colossal squid are mysterious and creepy, but a 30+ meter (100+ foot) rogue wave is the stuff of nightmares (especially if they hit on a moonless night -- yikes).
SIMON, From, 3:33 to 6:40ish, I was Completely Mesmerized🤩 I'm 99% Sure the "Subtle Music" is from "INTERSTELLAR" 😉
What about the 'grey beards' of the Southern Ocean? My dad once read a book about Shackleton's expedition to the Antarctic. One of the most compelling parts of the story was when a small number of the members were forced to sail from Antarctica to South Georgia by rowing boat. The so-called 'grey beards' are waves that never stop but continue going around the globe along the 60th parallel between Antarctica and the neighbouring three continents to the north. Their description of the waves was that they towered 50 meters above their little boat!
You started this video with 'Hello There,' so I would be kicking myself if I didn't leave a 'General Kenobi' comment. So here it is.
GENERAL KENOBI!!
I don't understand...the North Sea has a minimum temperature of 17C???? (2:37). How is that possible even in summer??? The lake I live beside barely reaches 20C and we have hot summers.
Not your best video. And mis-leading title.
1) How Tsunamis are formed is known, and are not Rogue waves.
2) Constructive and destructive interference is a well known phenomenon in electronics and Audio where waves add together or cancel (destroy) each other when they meet.
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wind isnt the rogue wave... but rather the disrupter of the equal positioning of waves worldwide... once the timing becomes out of sync it struggles to speed and slow specific waves, to adjust the overall balance. Some waves inevitably become combined from speeding up and slowing down... the law of synchronicity applies to these waves - thats my theory and im stickin to it
Do you ever watch one of Simon's videos and think to yourself: that was feckin interesting, I might just comment under said video. Only to realise that you have indeed watched the video before, actually commented then and completely forgot.
Yeah, well that. lol
funny guy! keep it up
Interested in Al Osborne's Schrodinger equation work -- those equations kicked my butt in college but interested in their application to oceans, which can be envisioned, rather than potential wells, which cannot...
Hiya @Sideprojects The annual average SST of the Arctic Ocean is 1.32 ± 1.5 °C and not 17 celcius at least not for a couple of million years, can you correct this?
Is Simon not apart of the Curiosity Stream/Nebula group of RUclipsrs?
Point is: Don't fuck with the ocean.
Exactly
Now we need a rogue holes video Haha
Note that the "nonlinear effects" described here has quite a bit more depth to them as this type of rouge wave arises from the Schrödinger equation of quantum mechanics. Basically any type of wave can propagate these types of waves since everything really exists in a superposition of waves that compose the wavefunction of the universe which encompasses the variation within the quantum fields that give rise to matter energy and the likes. Basically big systems propagate large scale quantum effects.
Not that i dont find this subject intersting, but in what way are naturally occuring wave frequency conversion, or earthquakes or landslides in any way classified as a project. much less a side or a mega.
Claiming the Gulf Stream may be dying due to climate change is as ignorant as that moronic movie The Day After. Temperature is not the only, and may be the least, factor behind the Gulf Stream.
There was a famous example of the QE2 hitting a 92ft wave in 1995. Weird to think we wouldn't believe a crew that experienced?
What makes me angry is how many, like almost all, unusual phenomenon are dismissed out of hand by the so called 'scientific community'.
I had a lifelong career as a reliability engineer and as such discovered a lot of major issues with engineering projects with major household-name companies. Almost every time my reports were initially dismissed. I took great professional pleasure in gradually convincing the management that I was right. I have some spectacular examples, we are talking millions even billion dollar problems. And of course afterwards I said "I told you so." Then left for the next project and company.
Because whether you like it or not, science deals with reliable forms of data collection, not just somebody saying they saw something somewhere. And our ability to accurately collect data from multiple places at once with reliability and with less and less human error has only increased. Don’t blame scientist for doing their job, it’s not their job to just accept what somebody tells them. That’s not science, that’s dogma. And it still the best tool we have to figure out truth because it will at least admit where it’s wrong, even if it takes awhile.
Me high as fawk- kinda like when me n my friend jump on the trampoline, eventually the momentum of our weight combines and rockets one of us into the air
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Check your facts! North sea minimum of 63 degrees or 17 Celsius. If your photo with ice bergs is the artic say so. -1 to + 3 C is more likely. Pull up your socks!
What about asteroid or meteors? One would expect a splashdown to produce a very high and localized wave that would dissipate relatively quickly like throwing a stone in a pond?
_What!_ A discussion of rogue waves without mentioning the book (and movie)
_The Perfect Storm_ by Sebastian Junger!?
I went tbrough an f9 on the Harewich- Hook of Holland Ferry...the waves thst broke over the ship that day was deffo a Rogue ...our planet does her own thing xx
Okay now i know Simon has a dark past behind his beard due to the jumper hes wearing....
It looks alot like the ones we got given in HMP lol Simon spill, what you done boyo?
I don't suppose you'll chill out on the ads or talking a mile a minute, but I thought I'd throw the idea out for maybe at least one of your channels because I know people who can't take it, and I personally, could do without the loud ads at the end when I might have just nodded off. Thank you.