@@dr.michaelsugrue in other words he is a kindred spirit of mine! 😁 would love to be taught under someone with these qualities. Btw great informative lecture. 😊
The Gouldner lecture! Thanks, Mike! Looking forward to this. I remember being in some awful New Jersey train station listening to this on a cassette player in 1993 or so, after I'd ordered the supplementary lectures set from TTC, it was the one bright spot of the trip.
This is the most lucid, valid, and defensible condemnation of the Republican Party and American Oligarchy that I have ever seen or heard! Well done brothers Darren and Michael! Paragons of truth and justice on this barren planet!
@@dr.michaelsugrue Yes, yes, yes!! The Demoscats are just sock puppets, animated by the left hand of The Oligarchic Overlord, while the Republitard theater is produced with the right. Those diversions have been adequate to the suppression of democratic reform for two hundred years, but The Twin Towers of idealist perspective, built on the shoulders of giants, have produced the antidote for that poison, and we are in awe. Your existence, and your reply, are Nietzschian affirmations that exceed all expectations. My cup runneth over!!! Thank you brothers!! BTW, your humor, self-depreciation, and charming false modesty merely fan the flames of my admiration…
@@dr.michaelsugrue I agree with your political assessment, although I think the Woke Left's capture of the truth-seeking, and sense-making institutions of the culture represents a greater and more durable threat than the authoritarian populism of the Trumpists. The Woke own the episteme, and they are young. Also, don't be moribund, Michael; your work is highly appreciated, and will last a long time. Well-done, and thank you.
@@dr.michaelsugrue Nope. Only the Republican party want to surround kids with more guns in classrooms and have more interest whining about wokeness which they cannot define under oath, than they do protecting kids from school shootings. We get it though, you don't value the lives of children.
Didn't even recognize Dr. Staloff at first, but when I got over the shock I now think this new look is very stylish. Great lecture as always, I can't get enough of this content.
So good to see this keeps going, and with great lectures, never even heard about Gouldner. I was afraid Dr Sugrue would end his archaive eventually, it is really a give to have dr Staloff also. Being said that I have to say Dr Staloff getting on the Dark side of the dialectics and the dead of the philosophical younlings after cutting his phdwan braidtail with a lightcenturysaber. I am sorry.
Great lecture! I'd add to your list of revolutions in communications (cheap paper, etc) the huge role of the telegraph, aka the beginning of the electric circuitry. In 1851, three after the manifesto, a cable underwater connected Canada and London. Battles and civil wars were won or lost thanks to the cable and the train. The telegram created a new style of writing: symbolism, bc you had to pay per letter, so every word became poetic, loaded with meaning, and anticipated text and life today
Around minute 17 yes, the lecture proved to be right even in the future; being a venezuelan national this only resonates so much with what the Chavistas did in my country
A lot of scientists and marxists think their ideology eludes all type of spiritual or platonic-absolutist thinking. And I thought that was the case for most of my life too. But I've spent a lot more time now looking into it and Marxist ideas actually come from dialectical materialism, which in its own part spawned from the "lunatics" who believed all sorts of odd stuff after Newton had written his theory of gravitation when an apple hit him on the head. Newton did not use reductionism to come to this theory but rather used a practice called "divination" or sometimes called "augury". In the ancient world, say Rome for example we know they did this, they used this practice of augury where they would examine the flight of birds or the entrails of animals, and by interpreting that data they would divine all sorts of laws and predictions. I had not thought more of this until I read Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind by Julian Jaynes, and in this book in the last chapter Jaynes points out the many ways in which Science is no different than this ancient practice of omen-seeking called augury. And I do believe he has made a good point in drawing the connection, that the aim of ancient spiritual practices and the aim of science are both to divine the Law, which can seem to be very commanding in both circumstances (aka "objective").
The crux of what Newton did was to start with the assumption that the moon was falling just like the apple. Figuring out the variable that made the moon appear to be different from the falling apple, velocity, had all sorts of practical applications that would inevitably follow. The assumption was the leap.
also at the end he states the theory that capitalism didnt arise in china and india because they didnt have a property class turning into a bourgeoise. however , Japan did develop nascent capitalism on its own in the dojima rice exchange which was like a proto stock exchange (World's First Futures Exchange - ... In the Edo period (1603-1867)). wonder if Japan comparatively had more of a propertied class than the rest of asia?
This video is an example of visual media de-ideologizing us against traditional authority, Dr. Staloff, who is in turn explicitly ideologizing us in socratic marxism which de-ideologizes against ideology, which we have voluntary ascented to in the face of its explicit assumptions or interfences.
1:36 Orobourous, a snake eating its own tail 11:19 All sciences, even Natural Science, are founded upon leading assumption or ultimate givens. A science of cause and effect can certainly be persued with private property as an ultimate given 14:50 🎉 The exact reason why Marx' analysis of societal struggle for political dominance is mistaken. Almost never has the political struggle been fought between slaves and masters, for how could such a struggle occur between two groups having such disperate interests? Instead, the key players in revolutions and regime changes could be conceived of as aspiring masters outcompeting conventional masters
To our brothers Michael and Darren Old men forget; and all shall be forgot, But we'll remember, with advantages, The posts you made to RUclips. Then shall your names, Familiar in our mouths as household words- Sugrue and Staloff- Be in our flowing cups freshly rememb'red. The web you wove shall the good men teach their sons; And the fight against Fascism shall ne'er go by, From this day to the ending of the world, But we in it shall be triumphant - We few, we happy few, we band of brothers; For he to-day that shares right mind with us Shall be our brother; be he ne'er so vile, This day shall gentle his condition; And gentlemen in England now offline Shall think themselves accurs'd they were not here, And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any posts In agreement with your idealist truth for democratic reformation On this sacred, blessed, daseinian day.
Lol Conservatives are like "I hate postmodernists, they're purely negative, they don't give any solutions to the problems they point out!... Oh I love that Alvin Gouldner! He's purely negative! He only criticizes and doesn't offer any solutions!"
thank you for the great lecture, Dr. Staloff may have unrealized potential as a disguise artist
It's not even Dr. Staloff. This man is a master of disguise and the art of the double-cross. We'll never know his true identity.
🤣
my first impression was, oh boy a new professor!
Please write that post-post-cold war spy novel. I’m not kidding. I’ll pre-order.
Dr. Staloff has reached his final form!
Another great lecture. Much appreciated.
Dr. Staloff is not a Pokemon, he is a brilliant intellectual renegade like Gouldner himself.
@@dr.michaelsugrue ehh…. he’s a pokemon….
@@dr.michaelsugrue in other words he is a kindred spirit of mine! 😁 would love to be taught under someone with these qualities. Btw great informative lecture. 😊
@@dr.michaelsugrue Indeed he is, but Pokemon evolve, final form is usually more a DBZ concept. Thanks for keeping the channel alive :)
The fact that I get to once again listen to these old Great Courses lectures like I did back in the VCR days, is such a treat!
Dr Staloff lookin thug af this lecture.
He’s going with the renegade theme
Dang, it took me a moment to realize that’s actually Dr Staloff!
Looking fresh with that goatee buddy!
I note the loss of his ponytail has not diminished Dr Staloff’s capacity to make me feel intellectually nascent.
Thank you for these lectures
Where tf is my sandwich?
@@divinegon4671 Yo momma hasn't brought it down to the basement yet. When I'm done with her I'll let her know your hungry.
The Gouldner lecture! Thanks, Mike! Looking forward to this. I remember being in some awful New Jersey train station listening to this on a cassette player in 1993 or so, after I'd ordered the supplementary lectures set from TTC, it was the one bright spot of the trip.
Can I still order
I dont think many of us expected ponytail-less Dr. Staloff, but here we are
This is the most lucid, valid, and defensible condemnation of the Republican Party and American Oligarchy that I have ever seen or heard!
Well done brothers Darren and Michael! Paragons of truth and justice on this barren planet!
The Democratic Party is at least equally depraved, both parties are equally oligarchical. Dr. Staloff may be a paragon, but I'm merely close to gone.
@@dr.michaelsugrue Yes, yes, yes!! The Demoscats are just sock puppets, animated by the left hand of The Oligarchic Overlord, while the Republitard theater is produced with the right. Those diversions have been adequate to the suppression of democratic reform for two hundred years, but The Twin Towers of idealist perspective, built on the shoulders of giants, have produced the antidote for that poison, and we are in awe. Your existence, and your reply, are Nietzschian affirmations that exceed all expectations. My cup runneth over!!! Thank you brothers!!
BTW, your humor, self-depreciation, and charming false modesty merely fan the flames of my admiration…
@@dr.michaelsugrue I agree with your political assessment, although I think the Woke Left's capture of the truth-seeking, and sense-making institutions of the culture represents a greater and more durable threat than the authoritarian populism of the Trumpists. The Woke own the episteme, and they are young.
Also, don't be moribund, Michael; your work is highly appreciated, and will last a long time. Well-done, and thank you.
How do you get that out of this? It's a scathing rebuke of the Marxists.
@@dr.michaelsugrue Nope. Only the Republican party want to surround kids with more guns in classrooms and have more interest whining about wokeness which they cannot define under oath, than they do protecting kids from school shootings. We get it though, you don't value the lives of children.
Thank you so much for this!
Thanks Alex for your HSE series on Political Philosophy, i really enjoyed it!
@@voralom494 Thanks for the feedback, I tried my best! :)
This was great. I found myself agreeing with every argument made in here. It completely changed my mind of what Marxism is.
So weird how a hair cut and a clean shave can make a whole new person.
Pony tail and shave, or high-and-tight with the gotee... I've bought used cars from guys rocking both looks. Dr. S pulls them both off with aplomb!
10:21 - Ideologies unmask each other by exposing the hidden or occluded interests behind a particular ideology
🔥🔥🔥
Bars!
Didn't even recognize Dr. Staloff at first, but when I got over the shock I now think this new look is very stylish. Great lecture as always, I can't get enough of this content.
I guess the 'Hans Gruber' was a popular look in the 90's
Just finished the trilogy and have been waiting for this lecture!
Great video, thank you for this!
One of the most important lectures I’ve heard!
Just read the trilogy, absolutely brilliant.
You guys make lecturing into an art.
Looking fresh Mr. Staloff!!
*Dr
So good to see this keeps going, and with great lectures, never even heard about Gouldner. I was afraid Dr Sugrue would end his archaive eventually, it is really a give to have dr Staloff also. Being said that I have to say Dr Staloff getting on the Dark side of the dialectics and the dead of the philosophical younlings after cutting his phdwan braidtail with a lightcenturysaber.
I am sorry.
Truly illuminating
Great lecture! I'd add to your list of revolutions in communications (cheap paper, etc) the huge role of the telegraph, aka the beginning of the electric circuitry. In 1851, three after the manifesto, a cable underwater connected Canada and London. Battles and civil wars were won or lost thanks to the cable and the train. The telegram created a new style of writing: symbolism, bc you had to pay per letter, so every word became poetic, loaded with meaning, and anticipated text and life today
He went from the cool, just finished my post doc bro to the post tenure having dinner with the dean doyen of academia.
Oh what the hell? He's like a totally different person
Thank You!
Around minute 17 yes, the lecture proved to be right even in the future; being a venezuelan national this only resonates so much with what the Chavistas did in my country
Amazing. Been waiting on this one since the Conclusion of Cultural Criticism lecture. Staloff should have kept the short hair
More mustache, please
punished Staloff arc
In Mexico we have a great book called De los libros al poder (by Gabriel Zaid), which is about this.
Wow. That was fantastic.
A lot of scientists and marxists think their ideology eludes all type of spiritual or platonic-absolutist thinking. And I thought that was the case for most of my life too. But I've spent a lot more time now looking into it and Marxist ideas actually come from dialectical materialism, which in its own part spawned from the "lunatics" who believed all sorts of odd stuff after Newton had written his theory of gravitation when an apple hit him on the head. Newton did not use reductionism to come to this theory but rather used a practice called "divination" or sometimes called "augury".
In the ancient world, say Rome for example we know they did this, they used this practice of augury where they would examine the flight of birds or the entrails of animals, and by interpreting that data they would divine all sorts of laws and predictions.
I had not thought more of this until I read Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind by Julian Jaynes, and in this book in the last chapter Jaynes points out the many ways in which Science is no different than this ancient practice of omen-seeking called augury. And I do believe he has made a good point in drawing the connection, that the aim of ancient spiritual practices and the aim of science are both to divine the Law, which can seem to be very commanding in both circumstances (aka "objective").
The crux of what Newton did was to start with the assumption that the moon was falling just like the apple. Figuring out the variable that made the moon appear to be different from the falling apple, velocity, had all sorts of practical applications that would inevitably follow. The assumption was the leap.
incredibly interesting
The bearded look suits more on Dr. Darren
Is that professor???!!😂
also at the end he states the theory that capitalism didnt arise in china and india because they didnt have a property class turning into a bourgeoise. however , Japan did develop nascent capitalism on its own in the dojima rice exchange which was like a proto stock exchange
(World's First Futures Exchange - ... In the Edo period (1603-1867)). wonder if Japan comparatively had more of a propertied class than the rest of asia?
Whoa
Long live these UChicago alums still flying the flag of intellectual seriousness.
Anybody know what the titles / isbns are for the 3 volumes of The Dark Side Of The Dialectic? Can it be found in one binding?
Gentlemen of culture! Why am I not surprised that you bring the same level of superficiality here as everywhere else?
When was this recorded?
This video is an example of visual media de-ideologizing us against traditional authority, Dr. Staloff, who is in turn explicitly ideologizing us in socratic marxism which de-ideologizes against ideology, which we have voluntary ascented to in the face of its explicit assumptions or interfences.
Audio is out of sync with video -_-
23:03 The intelligentsia is a flawed universal class? Excuse me? 😧
43:50 “Moral philosophy might be all about the platonic complex”
What a great critique of marxism. It tears it apart from Marx's own work
Never heard of Gouldner. It would seem he does for Marx what Foucault and Derrida also kind of do. In a way. That is interesting.
Has the Professor read/considered covering Industrial Society and Its Future by Ted Kaczynski?
No more lectures until the ponytail returns!
What about Marxist view on marriage?
1:36 Orobourous, a snake eating its own tail
11:19 All sciences, even Natural Science, are founded upon leading assumption or ultimate givens. A science of cause and effect can certainly be persued with private property as an ultimate given
14:50 🎉
The exact reason why Marx' analysis of societal struggle for political dominance is mistaken. Almost never has the political struggle been fought between slaves and masters, for how could such a struggle occur between two groups having such disperate interests?
Instead, the key players in revolutions and regime changes could be conceived of as aspiring masters outcompeting conventional masters
To our brothers Michael and Darren
Old men forget; and all shall be forgot, But we'll remember, with advantages, The posts you made to RUclips. Then shall your names, Familiar in our mouths as household words- Sugrue and Staloff- Be in our flowing cups freshly rememb'red. The web you wove shall the good men teach their sons; And the fight against Fascism shall ne'er go by, From this day to the ending of the world, But we in it shall be triumphant - We few, we happy few, we band of brothers; For he to-day that shares right mind with us Shall be our brother; be he ne'er so vile, This day shall gentle his condition; And gentlemen in England now offline Shall think themselves accurs'd they were not here, And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any posts In agreement with your idealist truth for democratic reformation
On this sacred, blessed, daseinian day.
Lol Conservatives are like "I hate postmodernists, they're purely negative, they don't give any solutions to the problems they point out!... Oh I love that Alvin Gouldner! He's purely negative! He only criticizes and doesn't offer any solutions!"
Maybe because by the sound of this lecture it seems that he points out the problems with Marxism, an ideology that conservatives are skeptical of.
Marxism is not a science except in the 19th cent sense of the german word "wissenschaft". Besides that good lecture
i see he addresses this point at the end somewhat
He eventually cut that stupid ponytail ? Thank god
The ponytail was glorious and its loss makes me more mournful than Socrates' students at his prison cell in the book of Phaedo.
@@Tom-rg2ex ahahahahah the ponytail was majestic.