The Beach Boys - Pet Sounds - LP Review And Comparison What Version Is The Best
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- I go over the best sounding pressings of The Beach Boys Pet Sounds from 1966. Vinyl LP pressings Review And Comparison What Version Is The Best
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In regards to the comment of “something going on with Brian’s lead vocals” for the mono copies, much of it could have to do with the fact that many of the lead vocals that were double tracked for the mono version were changed to single track vocals on the stereo remaster, due to many of the original multi-tracks being lost. It’s a subtle change, but it makes the vocals come across much differently on the stereo version
I really appreciate you making this comparison. I just discovered Pet Sounds about 2 weeks ago. It has completely changed my perception of music. I've already purchased 24bit FLAC and today I purchased the 2017 Analog Productions Stereo Pressing. I agree with you that the stereo mix is better - there are a lot of things going on on that album. I love this album enough to buy every pressing but I don't have the time to. When you talked though I realized that you got it and I trusted your judgement.
I'm with you. I love the 45 rpm stereo mixes from 2017.
My favorite too!
I have the 2016 stereo pressing that I purchased from my local record store. I originally wanted the oldest pressing possible because I love to collect old copies of some of my favorite classic rock albums, but after watching this, I’m sorta glad I didn’t spend $300+ just to have an original copy of Pet Sounds
Great comparisons as always! Id love to hear your thoughts on the best Genesis pressings, for either Foxtrot or Selling England. Some more Pink Floyd like DSotM or WYWH would also be great! Linking your videos on forums is a great way to slow down confused discussions, really clear and concise about what sounds best and why.
Just got the stereo 33 rpm pressing from analog productions, thanks for the recommendation!
2:50 cool to see you praise the real stereo. That's what I've always listened to as I don't like mono and as you said, it puts you in a trance. Incredible.
I've got the Analogue Productions stereo 33 and the mono 2x45. I've also got a DCC and a lifeless Capital reissue. My favourite is the 33 stereo. Can't have too many copies of Pet Sounds!
Got the 33 mono and stereo, and the double 45 stereo.
Love them both!!!
I sold my 1980 pressing (which sounded fairly good) a few years ago to buy a long awaited original copy from 1966. Imagine my utter confusion when I dropped the needle and it sounded so much worse. Wish I had watched this first lol.
Please consider reviewing the Beach Boys' "Sunflower" album. While maybe not the sales equivalent of others you HAVE reviewed, it is an awesome album creatively and sonically (read the liner notes). Several critics considered it the best post-Pet Sounds album the group ever did.
[P.S. You seem like a bit of a fan of the group, per your comments of "mono vs. stereo" and the "trance" comment. The engineering on Sunflower was exemplary, by the legendary Stephen W. Desper. It would be fun to hear your experience hearing it on your superb system.]
[P.S.S. - " 'He was a genius engineer. Oh my God he was,' said Brian Wilson, when I recently asked him about Stephen W. Desper." -- Alan Boyd, 2002.]
burlingtonbill1 i was gonna get sunflowr on my payday with a name like that i know its gonna be great
+Cimarron Hopper - You won't be disappointed ! And be patient with yourself. Like with Pet Sounds, it'll continue to grow on you ! Enjoy !!
If it wasnt for Brian pet sounds would not exist facts in terms of talent hes with richard carpenter and John Phillips
Thanks very much for the comparisons!
I ended up with the 2015 stereo remaster
Haven’t listened to it yet but I can’t wait!
Thanks again
Good stuff Mike..I was on the fence about which one to order...Stereo it is
My problem with the stereo versions that came out on the pet sounds box was the incorrect vocal put on the bridge of wouldn't it be nice. On those versions Brian is singling it, but the original had Mike singing the bridge. Do these chosen favorite stereo issues have the correct version of the vocals?
Thanks for all the comparisons because there's so many reissues of this album. The mono mix is muddled because Brian Wilson did so much bouncing between 3, 4 and 8 multi-track recorders and then mixing it all down to mono trying to equal Phil Spector's huge productions. And Capitol's 60's mastering engineers did no favors with his master tapes. The stereo remix is so much better. It's funny that the Duophonic LP is going way up in price with Beach Boys collectors though it sounds terrible. Have you checked out the early-mid 1980's green Capitol budget label reissue? Many on the Steve Hoffman forum love that pressing, and it was the pressing that made me a fan of this album.
Yeah, I have a green Capitol label Pet Sounds vinyl as well. So freaking quiet and good.
Are you sure that he bounced 3 and 4 tracks down?
I'm sure that by the time of Pet Sounds they had 8 track.
@@horowizard Probably a very late response but yes, Pet Sounds was recorded in different studios (Gold Star, Western, Sunset Sound, etc) using different machines, including 3, 4 and 8 tracks. There was a lot of generations of tape being made for overdubs and even some vocal takes were recorded directly into the master mono tape, so to make the stereo mix there was a loss like 2% of the vocals from the album.
i would like to listen the pet sound album on that massive player
that's a SOTO State Of the Art for fanatics that have to have the record clamped down on the turntable
Mcintosh is King hands down 😎
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In my opinion, the 1972 Artisan version that came with Carl and the passions is the most natural copy available, followed by the 1980's Green label budget priced version. Regarding the CD version, the stereo mix that came as part of the Pet Sounds boxed set sounds most natural. Every other Stereo version released since the 1996 box set had some sort of digitization that sticks out like a sore thumb, and that includes the 45 RPM vinyl editions.
Thanks for the info. Just purchased Holland from Analogue Prod and and will be doing the same for Pet Sounds. I cringed at that colored vinyl Pet Sounds no doubt. Wouldn't expect anything good.
Nice vinyl collection I like to get in to the beach boys
SACD AP Pet Sounds mastered by Kevin Gray is fantastic :)
Gotta dsy I enjoyed your focus and explanations. Thank you!
Hi Mike, I have started getting a few mono Lps made in the mid 60s and I think I will keep my stereo cartridge and buy two y cables and maybe an amp with a mono button.
All I want to know is are these old mono LPs best played ( for sound quality and less damage) with an elyptical stylus or a conical stylus, thanks.
What about the Capitol late 70's early 80's green label reissue in mono?
I'm curious - How did you come to the conclusion that there's some digitization in the stereo mix because they went to the original multi-track tapes? Analogue Productions, unless specifically indicating otherwise, works with purely analog sources and produces AAA for their vinyl releases. (When they do a digitally sourced album on vinyl, such as Nils Lofgren's Acoustic Live, they state that in their copy).
On The Beach Boys reissues they state that they were created from the best available sources. Also no stereo master was ever done for this album until the 90’s for the pet sound box set. That was done with Brian Wilson digitally.
@@TheInGroove Yes, but couldn't AP gotten a hold on the original session tapes themselves for this? Did you call Chad Kassem and ask him?
This is from Wiki lifted from the box set liner notes. I Don't think it's possible to have an analog cut of this in stereo. There would be no way to sync the multitrack stems.
"Pet Sounds was first released in 1966 in monaural and duophonic formats.[5] Overseen by Brian Wilson and engineered by Mark Linett, the set includes the first stereo mix of Pet Sounds. These new mixes were permitted by the survival of the original Pet Sounds multitrack tapes. Advances in recording technology allowed the compilers to digitally sync multi-track stems that had been ping-ponged numerous times prior to their final mono mixdown.[5]
The new mixes created for the box set were made in January-February 1996.[6] Linett wrote: "In mixing Pet Sounds in stereo, every attempt was made to duplicate the feel and sound of the original mono mixes. Vocal and instrumental parts that Brian left off the record in 1966 were noted and duplicated, as were the fades."[5] To this end, a Scully model 280 4-track was used to transfer the analog reels to digital multi-tracks - the same model used for Pet Sounds. The mix was then processed through an original tube console from United Western Recorders in the 1960s.[5]
Some exceptions remain, and so the stereo mix of Pet Sounds does contain some differences from the original mono mix. Among them, alternate vocal parts used for the bridge of "Wouldn't It Be Nice" and the end of "God Only Knows" due to the original tracks no longer existing. "You Still Believe in Me" features a single tracked vocal instead of the doubled vocal of the original due to a missing tape.[5] In the mono version, chatter can be heard buried in various tracks; instances of them were omitted from the stereo version at Brian's request.[5]"@@jeffbellin8224
@@TheInGroove Confirmed with Acoustic Sounds that you're right, the stereo version is from a digital master. It does specifically say so on the individual product page for the stereo reissues.
Anything I had is good x 2..... 80 and 87 I still have them
Luckely I bought the 2016 stereo Analogue Productions reissue. It cost me alot (import US -> EU), so buying the 45RPM version is above my budget. I really liked the 2012 Mark Linett stereo CD too. Many prefer Pet Sounds on mono, but my pick is stereo. In general I find mono to be preferred format of albums released around 1966, but Pet Sounds seems to be an exception.
Is the there a quality difference between the original 2017 and the newer repress if it that came out earlier this year ?
I miss these cool intro.
Because of this video I got both the Analogue productions 33 (mono) and 45 (stereo) and they sound great. Don't be too quick to judge these pressings based off Wouldn't it be nice as that seems to be the most crushed or compressed sounding track off Pet sounds (to my ears) but after that they are great, at times glorious.
Just to clarify, you called the mono Acoustic Sounds but they're Analogue Productions. I knew what you meant though.
Great video! Could you post a link to purchase the 2017 AP 45rpm pressing that you suggested was your favorite followed by your second favorite the 33 1/2
Crap I just ordered the 2016 50th mono vinyl. How does this one stack up vs 2016 50th stereo? I always assumed this one was meant be heard in mono only.
justice4all72 i was massively disappointed in the Capitol 50th LP reissues. They sounded like nobody cared. The 50th deluxe set with the bluray audio was much better. That had a lot of care put into it.
i dont know that i agree with you on the ap mono 33 ,,, my carl and the passions 2for blows the Kevin gray cut out of the water,,,, the ap has the life sucked out of it,,, its like someone thru a blanket over my speakers,,, i wonder if the stereo is any better? EQ being used Sumiko Blackbird MC LO, on a VPI TNT rim drive paradigm persona 7f Mc10 phono stage ,, Pioneer Sx 1980
I also have the 72 stand alone brown cover and ap mono 33 and ap stereo 33. I’m curious if your ap mono copy has a hissing sound throughout the album? I got the ap mono thinking it would be better than the brother pressing but the hissing is really hard to get over
@@johnnydelight4586 no hissing on my copy just played it,, i have another copy that ill try tomorrow,, thats in storage,,,now you have me curious,,,,,, kevin gray does good work but sometimes he is a little to smooth for my liking,,,, i prefer RKS cuts Or BG, GMB , but KPG nailed the surfer girl 33 mono
200 gram pressing is great sound
can I buy the 1974 version?
If you can it would be amazing if you could do Ok Computer by Radiohead.
As far as I know the first press and latest OKNOTOK set have the best sound. Maybe there are more viable ones though.
I have both. They are equally fantastic. Avoid the 2008 From The Vaults release...
I bet those monoblocks make a lot of heat.
3:56 - Everything was fine until you told me to like and subscribe.™
BTW, your audio goes UP n down... hehe
Comparing without listening.... great.
I have tried many analogue productions records.
They sound terrible to me.
Clean, clear, yet lifeless, dull and with no musicality.
They seem to fancy themselves experts. But half the records I received has defects. Not worth the money.
The old pressings sound far better.
YOU TALK TOO MUCH BUT DON¨T PLAY THE RECORD. I WANT TO HEAR IT ON YOUR TURNTABLE.
I think I'm one of only 3 people in the country who feels this album is highly overrated. To me, with the exception of the singles hits, the rest of the record is simply musical, self-indulgent mush. I realize I'm taking my life into my own hands by saying as much but it's just the way I feel about it. Really enjoyed listening to your video, however. Very interesting.
highly underrated to many
I've gotta be honest... I'm 62 & it took me years before I actually realized what a masterpiece it is. Better late than never!
I bought Pet Sounds when I was 15 and I didn't like it besides the big hits ("Wouldn't It Be Nice" "Sloop John B."). It was so different from the Beach Boys usual surfing, hot rods and girls songs. So I sold it off (which was dumb because it was a Reprise pressing). But in the mid 80's when I was in my 20's I found a Capitol reissue cheap in a discount bin, so I bought it again. After hearing it from a young adult's perspective (and on a good stereo) I finally understood what Brian Wilson had created with Pet Sounds. It's mostly an album about growing up from your teenage years to an adult. Brian was only 22 when he made it, and that's even more impressive.
dude just buy a shittier stereo and you won't notice
It might have been helpful if you had actually played them.
This video continues the pattern of self-proclaimed audiophiles having terrible audio mixing on their videos.
It's a shame you didn't include the 80's Capitol green label pressing.
It’s the best one. I have it.
It's good but the Analogue Productions still sounds better.
@@vincenzonapoles4371 what about Analog Production in mono? Is it good?
@ yes, the AP mono is better. I have both. Brian's voice sounds kind of strange on the 80s Capitol.
@@vincenzonapoles4371 thank you!
The 2016 mono LP reissue sounds fantastic and I believe it was based on the same master as the “Carl and the Passions” version. It’s super quiet with fantastic width , depth, frequency extension and dynamic range.
Picked up the 200g stereo Analogue Productions 33 1/3 version. I'm not keen on getting up every two songs to change a record as one has to do with a 45 rpm recording. It kills the mood. I'll settle for second best. Plus I have money left over to buy more records,
Yeah, for me I'll sacrifice the slight boost in quality the 45rpm version will give to have the album on 2 sides. After listening to this album for 30+ years, the flow of side a/b is part of the emotional connection at this point.
I feel bad for audiophiles man. They don't even like music b
Really funny you like the digital chained one best.
I don't believe you included the CD version of the album. I must admit, I wasn't impressed at all with the mono release of the album in 1966. But when the CD came out in stereo in 1996 30 years later, I was absolutely floored. It's like a whole new album was waiting to be heard. The liner said that the reason it was only released in moni was because the album existed on different tapes, making it hard it not impossible for a stereo release. That problem was overcome with digital mastering. You can thank CD technology for this. Whatever the results, the job was excellent. I listen to it practically all the time.
Crazy how expensive the 1995 dcc copies go for
Brian Wilson is a LEGEND but we must recognise that he is deaf in one ear so he can't really understand what stereo music is like. The mono version purists say to listen to is objectively flat (still enjoyable).The 2016 and 2017 stereo mixes are the best versions of the album to this day imho
This is the first video ive seen by thia guy. Great info but holy crap is that like 50k worth of gear
Their records didn’t sound good until the early 70’s Reprise label ( IMO ).
Hi what would you suggest in digital please.or should i use mystill in the box NOS Pioneer PL 71 ?
Do you think Paul McCartney has the Analogue Productions one on vinyl?
Could you try Aja by Steely Dan ?
There is nothing controversial about liking the stereo mix over the mono mix. It is much, much more enjoyable than the original mono mix.
Can you please make a video on "Highway 61 Revisited" by Bob Dylan?
Mike, Great videos as always. very good breakdown.
Please get back to doing these they are very helpful.
If/when you do can you please add these titles to the growing list of requests?
A Love Supreme, Blue Train
Thanks again and keep up the love for vinyl!
That's an awesome system behind you - You should play a track from the best pressing on your videos - that will give us an idea of what you are really talking about.
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Fuz
1. Original UK press
2. And 3. Is a toss up between the Mofi and 2010 reissue
Leon thepro I have a '81 Japanese press but it's lacking in he bass. I should of watched this first! .
Fuz Japanese pressings tend to be on the bright side with thinner bass. The problem with ITCOTCK is that the tapes were lost after the first few pressings so everything after 69 sounds mostly terrible. Until 2009 I think when they were found again and made into digital and then pressed on vinyl again. Thats why the 2010 issue sounds so good in general. If you want good sound for little money thats the place to look. If you want the best sound you will have to pay a lot for an old original which might or might not be in your desired condition.
Leon thepro thanks a lot that's a lot of good information about one of my favorites. You the man
Is the second best one the 200gm?
analogue productions and acoustic sounds are the same label?
Yeah basically acoustic sounds owns analogue productions I’m pretty sure.
PET SOUNDS the greatest album in history
they also reissued THE BEACH BOYS TODAY and the one I don't have you know the one with Getcha Back
I have the AP 45rpm Mono and I found it to be really really good. I have one of the HDCDs that include the mono and stereo mixes and on that the mono is thin and quiet so I prefer to listen to the stereo. So I guess it's format dependent for me.
hi ! nice info I have a big dude, you know what mixing capitol use in the 2016 50th box? ( for the stereo ), sorry for my bad English thank from peru!
What about the $18-22 Stereo and Mono LP's of Pet Sounds they still have in stock in Record stores/Amazon? The ones that have an Anniversary sticker on the cover. I've read some have pressing defects, I have the Stereo one, but I don't have a thousand dollar system or any mint 90's or 00's Pet Sounds represses to compare it with
Thanks for the in-depth reviews. Love this choice of album, too. Unlike David, below, I am a huge BW / BB fan of over 50 years. So I especially dig what you are saying. Have you done "Sunflower" yet? Probably my favorite overall and sonically one of their best, although I haven't compared various versions. What are your tables/arms/cartridges? And what are you using for speakers?
So, nobody heard it right when it was originally pressed back in 66???
Any chance of reviewing or unboxing Deep Purple Whoosh box set
aja next please!
I got a mono original from '66 in shrink and it sounds fantastic...I got no glue what your talking bout dude
Yeah he's got a half million stereo. 😂
What a great video. Finally someone who has a clue who and has done the detailed comparison. Not just a handle on a forum. An actual person who has done methodical side by side testing. AND has the guts to choose a STEREO version as the winner! Love it. I had to return an expensive “Near Mint” Pet Sounds 1966 Mono vinyl LP on eBay today - it was just unlistenable (yes after cleaning) with crackle throughout and muffled vocals. This video told me exactly what I needed to know for what to buy. THANK YOU!!
The stereo version is great if you love fake digital reverb effects and hearing vocals that are out of sync with the backing tracks. #NotMyPetSounds
Look what it takes to make Vinyl sound decent. LOL I love my CD's. No distortion caused by a rock scraping plastic.
Which cd version of the album do you have?
hi! please let me know if the 33 rpm version of analogue productions comes with the Gatefold or single sleeve, thanks!
Single.
@@TheInGroove Mike I know this video is 6 years old, but I'm thinking of getting a 1st UK stereo & mono pressing. Do you have any experience with those?
I have tried to listen to this Album numerous times and have failed to see why people think it's so good. I my opinion, overrated.
If you listen to just the instrumental bed behind the lyrics you can begin to appreciate the overall complexity and yet simple beauty of the PS project. That's really what it was, a project, a journey that Brian and his lyricist set out on, eventually resulting in a "record album." ruclips.net/video/kak2x0j_m8I/видео.html
I like what another person said, regarding this "album" - "Not to start a debate, but when I got into this album and the box set, I found it much more satisfying than Sgt. Pepper, with all its overdubs and edits. Not that it isn't a work of genius as well, but it doesn't have the magic of 20+ people all playing live in a room, well-rehearsed, with complex music produced and arranged by the songwriter. I think the fact that the Beatles used George Martin while Brian made all the decisions himself made a difference. I'm not trying to slag off the Beatles, but this is why the best Beach Boys material is more satisfying to me. The organic approach." (Ben Culture)