Thank you for the comment. Didnt think about it exactly like that, no, but Thats certainly an interesting proposition! I am planning to make a video about Durkheim’s sociological perspective on crime soon, make sure you subscribe🙏🏼⏳
@@CrossingThoughts murder due to crime is one thing, but a significant amount of the violence that occurs in war is straight up torture. They say that a person who commits suicide just passes that pain on to others. And soldiers in a war don't? People haven't been raised to look at what it means to be a "hero" in this world..
As someone who’s tried to commit and ruined their life with an attempt gone sideways, we need more videos like this. People ignore warning signs until it happens and go ‘I didn’t know they were so sad’ when sadness is even the most prevalent factor. There’s an extreme lack of community where I lived, and so many of my decisions felt feckless. Didn’t help my parents were both extremely controlling. A lot of it was my own egoism as well. Suicide is a very complex topic that can’t be boiled down to dysphoria
*****FOUNDING FATHER MY A$$***** This founding father of sociology Emile Durkheim is partly, at a minimum, clueless to his own studies. While suicide is real to many of us his correlation to it's causes/development are not. Emile Durkheim would require to have to had understood the anatomy of the body in which particular organs (minds) were the generating cause of improper thoughts that lead to suicide (which he did not). He would have to have understood the process of true thinking in which one process of improper thinking leads to another (which he did not). He would have to have understanding of how life is continuous (re-birth) as suicide does not necessary completely evolve from one lifetime (which he did not). Combine all of that and suicide slowly progresses from one state to another. It does not have much of anything to do with social ordeals as mentioned; that (society) is an existing experience that adds to the presence of contemplation but not the underlining/initial issue. An individual can have as many distinguished titles and decorated awards all they want, however when it comes to TRUTH those can mean little to nothing. Academia, as a whole throughout generations, has been leading astray many of our summa cum laudes, magna cum laudes and cum laudes students since the first graduation. And just like MAN, who observes a changing universe, his assumptions appear to be made from observations in which his senses (which change with the nature image being studied) have derailed him down the inappropriate paths of cause and misdirected effects. Look at how many times science/medical have flipped-flop with what is good then bad then good for you again. The senses observe a changing universe in which the INFORMATION changes when a new situation dictates/appears. KNOWLEDGE however never changes. Emile's most fundamental idea (1:02) was wrong to start with. It would be a justifiable idea IF, and I say IF, we only had one (1) life in which society made such an impression on our psyche that those social facts out weighed our inbreeded feeling and desire portion of being human. Blow smoke up someone else (with this video) cause we as a people need help as suicide is real - we need the cure.....not some assumptions to sound good to later have your name in the history/medical books as The father.
I spoke to a family member, after struggling with over a decade of suicidal ideation and complete contempt for life itself; I decided to open up to my brother about it. After a year of being pretty set with my mentality "Im over this, lets wrap it up" I had a plan, a date and all. His only response was to bring it back to himself, how he equally or worse feels the same way. A lot of people like to throw around the term but I think its pretty fucked up saying that to someone. Its something people who genuinely want, or even contemplate the thought of will hold to their chest. At least in my scenario, from 14-26 I didn't want anyone knowing my thoughts on it because I knew if I attempted to do it there would be no mistakes, no half-assed attempts and i wouldn't be waiting for people to change my mind. I can't see the "benefit" behind lying about something so serious.. so next time someone actually says something people should listen. I'm doing a lot better from that response alone cause I realised it was when I could finally rip my stupid ass family completely out of my life. Now i'm in a position where I don't talk to family nor have many friends left. It seems that the more "desperate" you get for interaction, the more that energy pushes people away socially.
As someone who has attempted suicide, I feel like I can see myself in all 4 types. I felt insignificant in the grand scheme of things, no more important than an ant in an anthill. But still, everything I did was in an effort to live up to people's expectations. I always put other people's needs before my own, and in doing so, my own feelings took a backseat, and nobody ever knew how I really felt. So, I felt too ingrained in society while simultaneously lacking deep emotional connection. I felt like I had too many choices and too few at the same time. The cause of my suicide attempt cannot be put into one of these 4 boxes. It contained elements from all of them.
The day after you try it feels kind of numb. Like you are watching a movie. It really sucks because you can't even tell eiple you tried. Blame the rash on your neck on something else, hope no one heard you shoot the wall.
Excellent video! It was enlightening to learn how society and environment play a significant role rather than the romanticized notion of psychological “issues”.
My suicidal ideation came from a fatalistic place. I looked at the state of the world, and then I looked at all the different things I could do to try and eke out a life. I was academically gifted, but my neurodivergence has severely limited the things I am capable of. Even if I have the intellectual capacity, my social abilities and executive functioning (planning, goal setting, time management) skills are poor to the point where I struggle in attaining and keeping basic employment. I fear I will never be able to hold down a full time job that pays well enough for me to be able to afford to live. I feel like a burden on my parents and a burden on society. My depression and suicidal ideation came from not seeing any future for myself where I could be happy. I had no hope and no reason to live. Plain and simple.
I feel a similar way. Especially with the guilt of being a formerly gifted student, and now not heading in the direction of the expectations I feel like I set for myself, I feel like a waste in potential. On top of that, one of the only things I’m interested in doing as a career was already unstable enough, but is now threatened by the possibility of being replaced by ai. But if I try anything else I don’t think I would be able to keep myself motivated enough. I am going into my unstable industry banking on the hope that things will straighten out by the time I graduate college, but it fills me with uncertainty to base my long term plans on a hope. I’m just going to do it, and if I run into any issues I’ll get there when I get there. I’ll stay aware of future possibilities but I won’t try to ruminate on the thought that it won’t work out.
Egoistic and anemic suicide are definitely the most prevelant in developed countries (and perhaps in developing too) these days, and I think the reason is clear: They are aiming for hyper individualistic societies. Everybody is left to their own, everybody deserves everything that comes their way or it is "just life", everybody shapes their own destiny, everybody reaps what they sow; nobody owes anyone anything, nobody can tell you what to do, nobody controls you, nobody can interfere you, nobody has a say on what you do... Everybody is as disconnected as it can be.
I could not have said it better myself. It is "you do you, I do me" thinking, which is positive to a degree, but also leaves people alone, and their achievements end up being insignificant because everyone is busy with their own goals and journey. Again, it sounds good, and it is to a degree, but a feeling of belonging and a little sacrifice to some group/community would do developed countries good, I think. Thanks for the comment, and consider subbing if you like the style of videos I make.
That's why I hate the attitude of "Do you", which might as well mean "Fuck you". Ghetto language. The U.S. is a "Fuck you, I got mine" shithole. No compassion for our people, no passion for our own nation- why bother?
There are records of horses accidentally eating gympie gympie (easily the most painful plant on the planet) and offing themselves by either bashing their head into a tree/rock or just walking into a body of water and staying at the bottom.
@@CrossingThoughtsThere was also a dolphin living in captivity, that insistently bashed his head into a wall until death, most likely due to severe mistreatment.
Absolutely!! I have been very steeped in the horse industry for over 60 years, involved in many disciplines. There really are horses who have no self preservation instinct whatsoever. Race horses, will run themselves into rails at speed, with no provocation. Some trail horses will just walk, resisting his rider’s directives, into bad swampy water with no hesitation, until they drown. Crash into trees as if blind. Jump out of safe areas of no stress, just because. I had a mare who would just bomb on at a gallop, anywhere at anything. When she crashes and got hurt? No problem, no pain. Others just wade into any bad areas, never shy or make any effort to save themselves. They just don’t care.
I'm 44 and i have been suicidal since i was around 9 after my dad died, a year later my mom died so i have my reasons for being this way, trauma is hard to deal with.... but the REAL killer is loneliness imo! Life just isn't worth living when you have to do it all on your own. I live in a city that's considered to be very social and fun... yet i'm extremely lonely and have few outlooks since i'm on permanent sickleave (due to my past and it's complications). The pandemic made everything worse, seems for me it has never stopped, that isolation. The few social interactions i had left, fizzeled out. A lot of young people live around me, they have their social gatherings and all that, i hear the neighbours having fun, having friends over... hearing that all the time when being alone yourself all the time takes away the will to live!
Some people only chatter to pleasantly mask indifference, or gain traction for themself. Hence why blood tends stay thicker than water. It kinda seems like most interaction is just a circus/stunt performance, or a self-help book club convention. Guess that's why people tend to hoist themself onto the altar of romance. But neither romance or work does it alone, only good balance. And after a straining day, flippant comments can really sting...
You should really start to enjoy the upside of being alone. I find being alone very normal now. Two years on you a similar situation, injuries, sick leave etc. Its very hard to get on with the others and all theyre new old fangled ways. Its when you open up to others and feel again thats the dangerous bit. You always know where you are with nobody else, you know you're own tastes, what you like. Instead of constantly bending to the whims of others like a blade of grass in wind.
@@redaliceholeden3941 humans are not made to be alone all the time. And it's not healthy to live in a city and be alone 24/7, i have no family, no supportsystem left, it makes someone extra suicidal. I have a chronic pain disorder, cptsd/depression and anxiety, i have Ménière's disease in both ears, and live in a house in need of repairs that i can't afford... all that on top of the loneliness... NO! 'You shoud really start enjoying being alone'... it's an extremely ignorant thing to suggest
@LordPinky455 im very sorry you are feeling this way but i think the other guy just meant that theres always a bright side if you are able to conform enough. (Not that that is very easy or good for your mental health either)
I spent a huge part of my teenage days crying on a bed. I felt that life had no purpose, didn´t want to go to school and prayed every night not to wake up next day. It´s been a rough path but antidepressants helped me immensely. I´ve never heard about these four types, but, the last one was basically me about 15 years ago. This should be talked, people should be able to at least understand that what is happening to them is not something unique and isolated, but something that hundreds of thousands have suffered in history. I salute you for this video.
After reading all the comments on people who have suffered from suicidal ideations or have actually tried it I feel very blessed to have never felt any type of depression in my life to bring me to a point of thinking about doing something like this.Idk whether that’s a good or bad thing,but I wish all of you in the comments a long happy life.
it blows my mind that there are people who never have those thoughts but i am grateful for that too. been dealing with it my whole life since i was 7 and every single person in my immediate family and half of my extended family deals with it too.
From my perspective, that is a good thing, and I hope you never suffer that experience ever. You seem to have a kind soul. This world is in dire need of those lately.
It’s not easy drifting though life existing rather than living and paying an arm and a leg to simply exist let alone to live a balanced quality of life. I see why people do it and I hope to gain more motivation to leave one day. More power to those who want to stay here and take this demonic life by the horns, you’re heroes.
I can answer the first one. No matter how phychologically damaged we are by the world around us, we are still animals after all. Biology plays into this gut deep instinct to survive no matter how much you don't want to anymore.
@ArmouredCentaur Your father was right, but sometimes some people are willing to give up all the good that could come with life in order to get rid of all the bad that is guaranteed to come. Not everyone will accept life for what it is and that may or may not lead them to death, but in most cases it will and it just is what it is. I appreciate your comment as well as the insight and wisdom you shared that was shared to you by your father. Keep those close who truly care about you.
To everyone reading this, I sincerely pray for that whatever is causing you pain or stress will pass. May your negative thoughts, excessive worries and doubts disappear, replaced by clarity and understanding. May your life be filled with peace, tranquility and love
As a 20 years old who had a problem with sirious depression, I can tell it is a third and fourth type. For me, it was a lack of pourpose, lack of something to live for it, something to belive. And, as well, a thinking that my life won't be worth of living. I was thinking about the suicide as a end of that. I would say that the modern socioty is sick in general. And I want to say one veeery important thing: Delete instagram, tik tok, facebook, averything like that, or, if you can't try to use it as little as you can. It's making you sick, it's making you stupid. I am a lot happyer and healthyer when I deleted it.
For me, giving birth is the most egoistic act a living being can perform, it's worse than murder. Condoning another living creature to live in this hell while demanding them to attend your egoistic expectations is something disgusting. I didn't wanted to be here, and I don't think someone ever wanted
I have never attempted it, but I have felt suicidal a few times in my life. I'm autistic, and we often don't get the help we need, if we even have the energy to manage to find help to begin with. We have to do things our way in order to save energy for other things we do later that day. And looking at how people aren't willing to believe what we tell about our sensory issues and other experiences and how they can even gaslight us because they find us so uncanny (haven't happened to me personally, but still), it often makes us feel so powerless. Autistic kids suffer in school, autistic adults suffer at work. I don't work, because I feel like I can't trust a huge chunk of neurotypical people ("normal", the majority), due to how they treat other disabled people and whatnot. And the fact that most people aren't even aware of their own underlying biases makes me so frustrated. Not everyone can sit and self-reflect for hours as a kid or a teen, but I sure wish most people could. Or atleast talked about biases in school. It would have helped sooooo much. Making people aware of themselves and what they do, think, feel and whatnot is one step toward progress after all.
Hey Reading this hit close home because I feel a lot of sympathy and empathy My partner has had suicidal tendencies for years before we met, and we suspect she's autistic (not diagnosed) We struggle sometimes with emotions or her knowing what she wants, or things like that Personally it's been an ordeal for me but I want the best for her the same way we began Do you think you could tell me more about suicidal tendencies and autism? As you know it's a niche topic and we rarely find people to talk about it I understand we're literal strangers on the web, and respect it if you don't wanna go over it for whatever reason
There's a growing body of research showing just how prevalent suicide is among autistic people. Autistic people are six times more likely to attempt suicide and sixty-six percent of autistic adults contemplate suicide. Autistic children are also twenty-eight percent more likely to be suicidal and fifteen percent of autistic children are suicidal relative to .8% of non-autistic children. I've read papers from both the US and the UK about this topic. Finding this out really put things into context for me, I've felt suicidal at various stages of my life since I was seven and seeing these statistics made me realize I wasn't abnormal or alone despite how isolated I've felt.
@@rubenirrelevante1817 Well, I remember being a bit suicidal already as a child, but that was because I was bullied by another autistic kid my age, who were oblivious to the bullying, which made it even worse. The fact that many people won't even try to understand our ways of communicating with one another can make one suicidal because of all the frustration one can feel from not being understood by others. Some people even think our suffering is a part of autism itself, which IT'S NOT. (if our suffering is a part if autism, then others making us suffer is a part of their neurotype/disabilities/whatever) We all need to stop dismissing each other concerns if we want to better our mental health in general.
@@ankaplanka Is there any general advice you'd give on helping autistic people with suicidal tendencies? I put a lot of effort in understanding the ways she does and thinks things differently than me, but I wish I could do more
Amazing video! I’ve struggled with suicidal ideation and even attempted a few times. I’ve never truly been able to explain my thoughts but this video perfectly sums the things i feel. As another comment stated, I feel a combination of all these types exist. I feel like I’d do everyone a favor by ending everything. Lack of community emphasizes this, as I feel isolated from everyone. I’m graduating high school this year and just like anomic suicide, I feel lost. I have more freedom now that I’m getting older, but I’m kind of just expected to know what I want to do or how to do it. Fatalistic suicide isn’t as prevalent in society within my own life, instead existing more within my family. I feel trapped by the expectations put on me by my family. I feel as if I’m just an extension of my parents life rather than an actual individual and it becomes too much sometimes. It’s comforting knowing I can associate these feelings with actual words, I can’t thank you enough for creating this video :)
The controling parents part and being an extension of them.. I so relate to that. About a couple months ago I wanted to end my life so bad, was so sad, so exhausted because of that deep feeling. The feeling of being lost, useless, a pointless life and feeling trapped forever. All at the same time. I understand you. I feel your pain and can only wish you healing and wish you abundance of happiness. I hope you are doing well and feel much better ❤
I watched this video because my own brother took his life last December 2022 .... I think my brother dealt with #2 and #3 ....he was never married and no children. And he took his life age 64. So hard watching him suffer.
Suicide runs in my family, and I’ve struggled with ideation a few times. There was a point in January 2021 where I was sitting on the bathroom floor and basically taking it moment my moment willing myself not to do anything. I felt incredibly alone, and I couldn’t handle what I was going through anymore between the trauma and triggers and panic attacks I was having at the time. I ended up getting therapy afterwards, and it helped a lot, but I’m still working on things. Anyway, what got me through it was my son. He was about the same age at the time that my Dad was when his Dad committed suicide (5). I saw how that affected my Dad, and I couldn’t put my son through that. (Absolutely no shame to anyone who’s tried/done it, though - this shit is fucking hard.) I just sat there thinking about my son. He loves Frozen 2, and there’s this song that talks about how all you have to focus on when things are really overwhelming is doing the next right thing. So I basically just sat there alone on the bathroom floor trying to do that. And it was hands down the hardest thing I’ve ever done in my life. And it took a long time, but I’m not on the bathroom floor anymore. I can’t recommend therapy enough, though. That has helped in ways that I didn’t even know were possible. And sometimes just hearing a really good therapist saying that something sounds hard is healing in itself. Like they know what they’re talking about, and they can help you. I know people say this all the time, but if you are going through this stuff, please reach out and get help. I know it sounds like a lie when people say that things can get better, because I thought it sounded that way, too, but things actually can get better. I got help, and now I have two sons. Witnessing them interacting with each other seriously blows my mind sometimes, knowing how things could have gone. And I feel like I’m an infinitely better parent after working with my therapist. Seriously, life can actually get better. It may take a long time, and a lot of things might change in ways you didn’t expect, but things can actually get better. That’s what I would go back in time and tell myself. So that’s what I am telling anyone reading this now. Please give yourself a chance.
We are less connected now than ever. What we're doing here on the internet is not connecting, it's simply giving and reading opinions of people you don't know. It's killing all of us.
And yet if I met people in real life I would want nothing to do with them. I don’t like talking about sports, the news, anything mainstream. I don’t like nerds or geeks either who obsess over their made up fantasy worlds and specific niches. I don’t fit in anywhere and topics I like talking about hold no importance to others and things other people say to me do not interest me either. Regardless of the internet speaking to a flesh human also has the same disconnect- the disconnect and severance socially is deeper
I really hate the term "egoistic suicide". It has a moralistic connotation to it. As if by being in a state of suffering and wanting to end it is somehow a "selfish" thing.
Does it matter if it's selfish? Calling suicide selfish is one of the most ineffective things possible, if they are truly selfish why would they care what someone thinks?
I would say egoistic suicide. Neighbours are strangers, families are strangers and communities are almost obsolete. There is so much entitlement happening and more love for materialistic things
I appreciate your comment! I think you’re on to something, especially considering the entitlement part, although I think anemic suicide is just as plausible.
@@CrossingThoughtsI watched the video again and anomie make more sense if you factor in hedonic adaptation. We’re not taught contentment only materialistic. The beast will never be full so nothing can fulfill it , if you’re not happy or content in life. So, I agree with you.
Mass production and over indulgence numbs the senses to the point of pure hedonism. Everything becomes so superficial that it leaves an impression of meaningless that depletes purpose of anything, hence being worse than War which is controlled chaos unlike hedonism which is uncontrolled chaos and eventual decadence which leads to anarchy
My suicidal ideation started at 13ish. Lasted 7 years or so. But they mostly revolved around causing pain in others. Even in my first note at 13 I wrote something like “I know that the worst pain a parent can experience is having to bury their own child, I want you to feel that.” Not sure which type that falls into.
That's likely for attention and was so prevalent when I was a kid. In fact, it was rather trendy to be suicidal or emo, all those people grew up, had kids, and they now go shopping at hobby lobby for weekly dopamine fixes.
I never understood where my suicidal feelings came from, and hearing about the altruistic anf anomic suicides hit me real hard. That's what it is. That's exactly it. Thank you.
I feel about my life as an absurd game or a movie that I just want to shut off. I feel like there's nothing comming that would be worth the wait. I just wander from day to day, knowing that the things I want the most deply I'll never have. I know I'll never be who I want to be. And I know I'll never fill the void that's screaming and tearing at me from my core. The only thought that gives me comfort is "It won't last forever. One day I'll be gone. One day I'll leave." And I look forward to that. I look forward to all this to stop. I would most definitely say I'm in the egoistic part. Even tho I have 5 siblings and interact with them from time to time, they are more like strangers to me. Not even friends, just some people I know from somewhere. My parents care a lot about me, but I don't care about them. I guess I don't care about anyone, or anything. I don't care about myself. I am not invested in any of this at all. Why am I still here? Why am I still me? I'm 29 already. It's never been different. I have felt the same all that time. I'm tired. I really want it to end already.
Change is the only constant, this idea helped me through my lowest periods in my life between 2020-2022. Head up, keep striving, cultivate the strength within you my friend🤝
I have the same feeling like you at first part, i already missed on many important things that are away from me every day furher. Just living day to day tired, not having a reason to wake up in the morning, and all hope for something positive happening to me is gone for decade now. Iam just trapped in this world and everything is crushing around, and there is noone to blame but me. I am becoming the person that i never wanted to be. And no amount of money, material things are there to fill me.
"The one thing they love more than a hero is to see a hero fail, fall, die trying. In spite of everything you've done for them, eventually, they will hate you." - Green Goblin
Suicide seems like it should be impossible, if you understand how life evolved, and yet it happens. I feel that our misery derives from the fact that we're almost entirely still adapted to be hunter-gatherers living in groups of a hundred or so, with a shared culture and goals. Living in cities, travelling, encountering a multitude of different cultural ideas, seeing strange faces often, but also spending more time alone than is good for us, leave us bewildered and struggling to cope with a range of feelings and expectations.
If it would seem devolution more productive to society, then likely retards the notion of evolution, whiLEnding more credence in the direction of pre-programming. It's probably safe to say we're androids let loose from some OuteRim Factory... Complex elementaLayer sensation is not for the faint of heart
Everyone around me tells me that I am a sinner for having suicidal thoughts made me understand why many people hate our society and doesn't talk to others openly. Also you have my subscribe, I haven't heard a more accurate explanation about suiside
I’m glad someone is talking about different forms of death. Durkheim’s theories are reflective of his time and place. Many can relate because most modern people think 🤔 all societies operate this way. They forget it is only modern society that exists in this way. I think of the few hunter gatherers people that still exist and know that they don’t exist this way. I descend from the Aka or in modern western language Pygmy people. I was young when I felt the spark of joy in my heart. I have a very different perspective on my existence. I was raised in America so I understand this modern perspective on life but it can’t rob me of the simplicity of my heart. I don’t feel insignificant I feel special to know that if life is what the universe can make without chaos then life is pretty special. There is so much chaos in manmade society. If you take a look 👀 at places like the Congo or the Amazon they are teaming with life and yes…. Order! Nothing in verdant places is wasted, lifeless or cold! Nature is life and life is what the universe created on one planet that has enjoyed a little temporary stability. If one looks at life and living from this perspective all life is precious ❤. Any living thing should feel special that with time and peace found through purpose (existing for there to be life) is it’s own victory! I take comfort knowing that I didn’t have to exist in a apparently (currently) lifeless universe, I got to exist! That is the joy I guess that of all things I AM HERE! Maybe it’s my ancient genes 🧬 but it means something to me ❤.
I think village mentality is beneficiALso, cause smaller units have to pull together to make desperate tighter bonds. Soldiers experience it in their bunkers and camps (a little too fast paced if shit gets real). But anyhow, LIVING with or toiling alongside people on same project($) often makes good for honesty!
I am a blonde white blue eyed British/French (mostly) Canadian from Montreal, I also do not feel insignificant despite living in this society as do most people I know. I find my value and purpose through science and understanding, art, creativity, music, technology, invention, culture, society, life's existence itself, also nature and beyond. I do not really understand the implication you are giving off that people from modern societies cannot feel that way nor that there are only specific ways to feel it. Modern society is not a bad thing... It is not detrimental, if you don't think any person from past history or from a tribe out in the middle of nowhere wouldn't prefer to live in a modern society if they understood what it meant that is purely delusion. Be appreciative of what you have. It took the efforts and creativity of billions of people, the lives of millions, and millions of years to get here. We live in the absolutely best time in history with the most opportunity, best quality of living, most to entertain ourselves and experience, etc. in the history of the Homo genus... It's insane to not appreciate that while literally living in it
@@jaytbo5676 first of all, nature does not have a beyond, it simply flows and conglomerates. Second, most people are preoccupied with keeping their financial head above water, that their energy to make time for other people often feels limited. Getting any group projects met between others' schedules (and or priorities) is far from consistent. We also still have the secret mafia of business elites, who constrict things such as tech and spew scientific disinformation + redundancy. There are all kinds of institutionaLegal hoops put in order to try and discourage passion from the shelves, and divergence is frowned upon almost every corner. While it is merriment for consumption en masse, producers get shafted a hundred times before any item gets to our doorstep. And half the time it's built to break.
I'm really glad RUclips recommended this video to me, you gained a new subscriber. Excellent video, informative, well narrated and straight to the point; I'm really glad I learned something new. It's a dark topic but that should definitely be more discussed, so we can reflect and perhaps act, striving for a world that won't consume us.
I've been telling people for a long time that a lot of us don't need therapy, we need grandparents (a pithy way of highlighting the lack of cultural relevance and family connections most of us have now). The despair of an uncaring godless universe and the loneliness of rationality and the pressure to be all and everything always... breaks us.
I mean if we take it literal: Most of our grandparents went through WW2, heavily traumatized. European society took a great U-Turn and most of the culture, traditions and values totally changed. We went from: "Our nation, which is only people who had the right parents, are loyal towards the goverment and speak our language, is worth sacificing your health and even life for. Those who are not "us" only deserve our positive attention if our nation gets a benefit from it. But that is always doubtful, as our nation is the best, strongest, most moral and holiest on the planet." To: "Human dignity shall be inviolable. To respect and protect it shall be the duty of all state authority. We therefore acknowledge inviolable and inalienable human rights as the basis of every community, of peace and of justice in the world." So, we cannot go back, but today's society organization also has severe downsides. We need a totally new aproach.
Embracing life's inherent meaninglessness, individuals can reject societal expectations and define success and fulfillment on their own terms. Absurdist philosophy encourages finding joy and purpose in the struggle itself, rather than fixating solely on the outcome. *I have adopted this philosophy and it really helped with my antisocial and suicidal outlook on my life.*
this book was my introduction to sociology when I first had a class around it in college, it definitely sparked my interest in the subject and It still intrigues me to this day
This will sound harsh and insensitive, but the two suicides I had in the family was through a simple thing called spite: the desire to show someone else what he could do because of certain actions in a relationship. A family friend killed himself and his two sons of 3 and 5 because his wife was in an extra-marital relationship. The other was when a 20 year old was served with a restraining order from his girlfriend's mother. I never forgave those two for what they did to their families.
The first one I think everyone could agree about what he did, as he dragged more people with him. The second one is hard to not empathize (at least with the little information about the case)
I think altruistic 5u1c1d3 could be relevant to our time. I have heard of some people who have committed it saying that they did it to "alleviate the burden from their loved ones".
I always thought egoistic and anemic suicide was more prevalent. But altruistisk suicide probably also happens. We can agree that the individual’s situation is a big factor of which type that will happen.
Very interesting video. I’ll check out your other videos too. My slightly older brother who is 53 ( I’m 52) recently made a second suicide attempt within 6 months.
I want to let anyone watching this who is going through a rough time that your life is valuable and your emotions matter so after you’re done watching this very informative video to go watch some cat videos and enjoy the rest of your day much love ❤
i lived all my life with suicidal thoughts. they started when i was around 7-9 years old probably. the age when you understand your surroundings more and why things are the way they are. parents are alcoholics and we never had enough money, sometimes even for food, parents fought when drunk sometimes with knives. me and my sister had always hide all cutlery even spoons and our vacuum had this metal tube so it was dangerous too. and at that age i wanted to end my life so my parents would maybe stop drinking and take proper care of my younger sister. i wanted them to find me all cold and lifeless so they could feel really bad because of what they are doing… i am 23 now and i can’t imagine my life without suicidal thoughts they are always there i often come for them to feel comfort and to think how i can always just end this and no one can take it away from me
Terrible upbringing but try to keep stoic and stay in the present you are a survivor of the past and the now is most important as our pasts should be forgotten try to change mindset to new beginning in the now and understand your strength of getting here 👍🇬🇧
It's both terrifying and empowering to understand your capability to take your own life, not to mention that of others. If you can face death at your own hands then so too can you face life, and face it fully. Therein lies freedom
As an experienced lifelong suicide veteran I would like to inform you that the things youve mentioned barely scratch the glass of why I have been gored from the inside. The only thing it has in common is the point of catastrophic failure when the matter cannot be resolved. All things die when the environment is not fit for life. What killed me was allowing myself to believe every lie until proven otherwise so I could paint an accurate picture in my mind of what I was experiencing. Believing my friends, family and God loved me and trusting them until proven otherwise. Having a young child inside me that I had to put to death so he wouldnt know the world and not even be able to bury him because he was me. My heart is gone.
I think that if you believe nobody will notice your gone or not is the big push to go .There is a lot more isolation out of fear that adds to it ,so for me I also fear not being found for a long time and the trauma on the finder
Right, like whether anyone you have respect for will dig to remember your inclinations and vibe -- but even then, the future can just seem blanDaunting
Very interesting standpoint. I always wondered why certain countries have higher rates than the other, and not just by a slight percentage difference. This vide answered it in a way.
I think it would always be the egoistic one prevalent. In my life, I've been drawn to suicide many times, and it would be egoistic suicide 'cause I've had enuff since I was 16 and just wanted everything to stop. On the other hand what kept me alive...well, aside from people saving you while you're dying, but that won't make you stop to try again next time around. The actual reason is actually altruistic, I wouldn't want to hurt others with my egoistic suicide and break their lives completelly. When it comes to altruistic suicide, that's a given. I wouldn't hesitate to do it if the situation requires, it is my duty to give my life to save something more important. An', is there a better way to die than die a hero?
Society as a whole is very sick. You see these people everywhere and they make life horrible for everything on the planet. If 90% of the world is sick and the 10% who are not just want to get away from them, it's no wonder people want to die instead of suffering in the misery the sick people cause non-stop.
There have been dolphins that have done this too. Because of stress. But humans are in this unique situation. Where other humans can't recognize the emotions of their neighbor. Plus the disintegration of social coherency. In favor of Egoism. No different than Wolves ganging-up on a Bear Cub.
Anomic and Egoistic. There is no sense of community, and whatever actions I take have no effect on society. I'm not sure what community even is anymore. I haven't experienced that feeling in many many years. Now when I'm surrounded by many people I just feel stressed.
Sometimes it is psychological. I've dealt with suicidal ideation since I was only 5 or 6 years old, have had major depressive disorder since 12, along with anxiety and nearly tried suicide at 14 and wanted to die with every fiber of my being at 24. My suicidal ideation only began to improve once I started healing from my trauma. So yes sometimes it is psychological.
Wow! I read Durkheim years ago in regards to Religion. I had forgotten all this- but you have reminded me how important it is… as I sit here wondering how I will be classified when the Big One hits. That’s the sign of a good Sociologist… and RUclips video. Thank you!
Physical pain is more compelling than is acknowledged here. It may have nothing to do with other people, society, the world, relationships or even emotion of any kind, but unrelenting, intractable, debilitating pain searing the mind day and night and exhausting the very will to live by making it impossible to do anything else but hurt. Escape from a burning building is a good analogy. Your skin is burning your lungs are screaming for air and you want out. When your body is the burning building you may very well equally want OUT.
I beat depression a few weeks ago and valued wisdom over health. Research became an addiction and within 6 days, my mania brought me to psychosis. I became deist, and due to the damaging effects of Christianity ( from my scientific perspective) I was planning an altruistic suicide to rescue my mom just in case she was in hell for not being Christian. Luckily my aunt was quick enough to call an ambulance to get me to a mental hospital, where I made many friends and got way stronger. My Christian family reassured me that she's in heaven thanks to some prayers made in her past. But since I only get vague visions good and bad and can't define God, I am still Taoist because balance is more important to me than ever before. ✝️☯️✝️🌌💜
Belief is potent and powerful. I’m glad you have found purpose, and is on a personal journey towards balance🧠 Thanks for the comment, consider subscribing if you find the subject of social science interesting🙏🏻
@@CrossingThoughts As Doc Emmett Brown said, I'm a student of all sciences. 1 life time isn't long enough to reach omniscience, so I hope to continue my progress AD. I will search your channel and consider it. Much love. ♥️💜💙🍎
Sorry to hear that you've had such a bad experience with Christianity. I'd encourage you to check out the work of Eastern Orthodox theologian David Bentley Hart, specifically his books "The Experience of God" and "That All Shall be Saved". The doctrine of Apokatastasis/Universal Salvation could resolve a lot of your difficulties, and Hart's view of Christianity avoids the simplistic anthropomorphisms of so much modern/pop culture Christianity. I'd also recommend books like George MacDonald's Unspoken Sermons and Fr. Alvin Kimmel's "Destined for Joy".
Lack of social connection, every friend i had abonded me, no matter how much i did for them. Every love i had leave me for someone richer. Im alone and i can only feel relif when i take sht load of painkillers and antianxiety drugs/disociatives(i chosed every which is legal and prescribed so nobody can put me in jail). But they stop working. Like every artifical relif. I started making more and more mistakes and stop seeing any thing to help. I dont want to leave family with my problems i caused, so first i need to fix them before i leave. I spend life helping everyone and now nobody want to help me. I have desire for revange and to do evil but its not my nature. So i started thinking about cancelling this subsription
Wow, this was an emotional read. Thank you for having the courage to share it with me. Carl Jung (psychologist) says we should all integrate our shadow side (our dark side) and control it (use it for something good). A revenge arc might save you, if you use it to become stronger, and not hamring others. Take care fellow soldier🤝
I had a difficult childhood and I failed in suicide several times. After confronting my father, I began to recover my self worth. Subsequently I have found more meaning in life, supporting others. Ironically it was what my father always wanted for me. We both just went about it the wrong way initially. Now I remember him and smile. I love my life.
I'm trapped in a maze where at every turn there lies another mistake. I try and I try and never succeed. I constantly feel unhappy, and can't get the traumatic images out of my head. I'm sick, and deprived, and there's no help for someone like me. No one cares and no one understands. I'm useless and nothing has any meaning anymore. Nobody likes me and I just wanted a friend. I feel so guilty all the time and shameful and I can't escape. Nobody would care if I ended it anyways.
This was a heartbreaking read, I see myself in your situation. It will get better, at least it will change (that is always a guarantee, because change is the only constant in the world). Please stay strong, seek a professional (just talking it out will relieve part of the pain, which may give you a positive *momentum*). Keep fighting, soldier💪🏼🫶🏼
I feel anemic and fatalistic is the same , a lack of a path or goals can be due to over regulation, lack of time, a lack of energy, which inhibits real personal freedom. If you look at the way society runs, we are as slaved as ever by expectations, and manipulations the only difference now is that it is harder to reach that conclusion
I think our society is going through some very uncertain times. Part of the uncertainty definitely creates a state of “what are the rules/norms/how to act/what to accept?” I can see where this could drive some to suicide.
I can see myself in the second and third type. More in the second tbh. As long as I can think I’ve felt and been alone. I can’t hold friendships. I’ve dealt with my childhood trauma on my own. I’ve been sexual assaulted since I was a child. When I turned 12 it ended and then I thought about killing myself for the first time. I couldn’t explain these thoughts. My family doesn’t support me and still talk to the guy who sa‘d me even though they know. Now I’m 18 and go to therapy. I’ve got diagnosed with ptsd and depression. On top of that I’ve got a chronic illness which causes me extrem physical pain everyday. I feel trapped in my body
This is something that I remember from my first class in classical sociological theory as I started working toward a PhD in Sociology in Fall 2011. If you don't mind, I'd like to email a link to this video to my professor for classical theory. I think this does a wonderful job of simplifying a very complex subject and explaining how this fits into our modern notions of mutually constructed social reality! And to think that Durkheim came to these conclusions by examining raw statistical data!
My mother took her life when I was eighteen. That has affected at least four generations to this day. I’ve had thoughts of doing it over the years but never did. God always supersedes the act.
This is why I will not do it. Because it will affect my children. Trauma gets passed down through generations. I've been working really hard to heal mine, so my sons don't have to carry as much. But it is so difficult. This past year has been so difficult.
Fatalistic! I was just contemplating our situation in life as one who teeters toward homelessness. I had decided that if major change doesn't happen by 2024, I would be signing up for MAID, lol, not. I couldn't qualify as I live in the US, and understand it's available in Colorado, I still couldn't afford it. I trust that the favor is about to teeter our way, and once the momentum gets going, we should have restitution by 2024. I have subscribed as this is some of the only stimulating subject matter on RUclips these days. Thank you for that. I liked it too.
My classmate who sits behind me’s brother committed suicide recently at the age of 18 my school has strong military traditions so they held a military funeral with his friends carrying the coffin it was very sad
Definitely the lack of connection and over individuality of modern north America. That and the lack of moral guidance that leaves most to the oblivion of impulse and suffering between scurrying between the impulses.
Change is the only constant. I’m sorry for your pain, but all I can tell you is to keep fighting, human beings are incredibly strong, and so are you my guy🤝
we all have demons. I want you to challenge that demon by going to your GP and getting a Mental health plan or phone a hotline in your local area. Only cowards end it, use pain to keep you going. One stage of your life doesn’t have to stop you from being more than you feel currently.
I studied at the University of Bordeaux. While I did not study the work of E. Durkheim he was frequently cited in France as well as in the US. Anomic suicide was the most emphasized. The societal changes in the western culture, in the US than in Europe at the time of Durkheim is disintegrating religious, societal beliefs and values. In a society where people know what the’other’think, what is expected and what roles each person is expected to have there is less anxiety. When one is sitting in a compartment in a train with family members or close friends one is not anxious because one knows what the other believes in and how will he or she react. This comfort and low level of anxiety increases if the compartment is shared with strangers from the same society but anxiety increases when a person is from a far and different culture. Just imagine if one would be sharing that same train compartment with an alien from another with planet or an unfamiliar mammal. This type of anxiety 'cultural' is what anomic suicide refers too. This anxiety is also very strongly related to psychosomatic illnesses such as hypertension and heart disease. in our current dramatically changing with the trans movement rapid and strong multiculturalusm without sufficient time of slow integration not knowing what many next door people believe in and how different are their core values and roles massively increase anomie and will lead to an increase in the rate of suicide. On the other hand all types of suicide coexist. Current feminists attribute the increase in the rates of suicide among men in proportion the how 'feminist' societies are to anomie. It is more likely that the role and status of men in the western world is changing. masculinity is attacked and the father role is not considered as important and even disposable. the subject as many others are complex to address all its contributing factors.
Men have always been viewed as disposable, we are taught to protect children, elderly and women at the cost of our well being if it comes to that. Men get sent to die in droves in wars, no one bats an eye because it’s men. Society emphasizes the deaths of “women and children” but not men because we are assumed as the fighters, men are supposed to be like “beasts” all this amounts to extreme pressures on how to act and it’s no surprise male suicide rates are so high.
great video! seems like i fit in the fourth category + a longing for eternal peace/rest (although if what any of the religions say is true, i don't think i'll get that 😅) combined with the curiosity about what happens after death- does our consciousness just cease to exist or do we get reincarnated or is there really a heaven and a hell
In life 'only death & taxes are certain' but most of us will suffer the pain of regret, grief when we loose a loved one, despair when our plans are thwarted, fear when we are struggling alone, and lonliness when we are misunderstood or ignored. It seems that there are endless trials and tribulations we must suffer on our path to the grave and none of us will leave this world unscathed. Having battled with my own demons for decades I now choose to live each day as an act of defiance at the seeming myriad injustices that manifest in this world; where evil appears always to prevail. Choose to live, challenge the darkness and despair both within yourself and without. Perhaps our only purpose is to make this choice: to live when all seems lost to us, to live in spite of the odds stacked against us, to live knowing that there may never be a happy ending, a revelation of meaning or peaceful resignation. Dieing is inevitable for everyone, consciously deciding to live when life does not seem worth living is a vital & truly rebellious act. Keep living ...
@@CrossingThoughts be selective in topics like stick to Psychology or sociology, philosophy anything that works and have concepts like these you can make good content on them, there are books on which you can make lessons related videos as well, just don't go to super scientific or musical or industrial type content too quickly because sticking to selective content will be bringing more attention and also help people find the information/insight they need instead of random uploads or trying to cover too many topics per say 😅 I'm being a bit selfish because I want good content like this and its completely fine for you to rethink exactly what you want to work and upload more of 🙏🏼
Noted! I hold seminars in Sociology for a university in Scandinavia, so maybe I should just stick to Social Science (Sociology, psychology and Philosophy). Appreciate your tip, I need this kind of feedback from my subscribers (I assume you’ve subscribed)
@@CrossingThoughts yes, I'm currently in 5th semester of my B.A. in sociology and do occasionally check out sociologists and related things on Wikipedia this time RUclips snuck in this video, I really don't search up my education related topics here at all but you know Google :D hope to see more of these
The third one most recently passed my mind. Watching a live performance of Polyphia, I somehow felt I realized we need guidance to enter into eternity. We need structure to uphold bliss as it were. The oneness and ecstacy of the crowd, versus the teamwork and planned out songs of the band, seemed to touch upon something divine, seemed to bring something divine down to earth. Are we but prebuscent gods, not able to fully live in, yet neither without our structure and society? Is life and the divine something we can not but reach together? Is the psyche only at its highest peak in the presence of what is outside?
Ive had many many friends growing up and worked my career with take their own life for one reason or another. Life is hard for all of us and as we age it becomes harder to find joy in life to carry on. In a world that seems to be against us at every turn, having the strength to keep moving is a blessing. Life is a gift from GOD and to give it back would be inconceivable to me.
I don't easily fit in these categories. Maybe I have spent so much time in a suicidal state that I have collapsed into a baser type. I've spent the past few months trying to get out of it, but I feel too far gone. I have little desire for socialization and when I do it does nothing but distract me temporarily. I used to look at nature with wonder, now I see cosmic horror. I have no interest in doing anything, either work or leisure, except maybe getting drunk, but that too is just a distraction. At this point I have come to hate humanity, nature, existence itself, I really don't see how to recover from that. When I was younger I thought everyone felt this way, only pretending not to because of social loyalties and genetic programming, but now I know the way I feel is as alien to most as their love of life is to me.
I really hope you find some light in the darkness, and that it will give you positive momentum resulting in reaching a higher level of being. Stay strong🙏🏻
@@CrossingThoughts Thanks. Unfortunately time is limited to acheive that, and most of my remaining options are desperate hail Mary's. Mental health help is slow and not overly helpful, and i have exhausted most standard options, my next attempted option is probably going to be taking very high doses of psychedelics, saved that option for near last cause if it goes sideways could very well mess me up, that just doesn't matter much now cause something has to happen.
@@TemporalAberrationMay I ask, which kind of psychodelics you're goung to take? I feel I'm standing at the same crossroad and I truly don't know how to bear it any longer.
@@dannyvalward1524 sorry this became an essay. I have a few options. The most profound effects I ever had was on acid, thats hard for me to find now though, beyond a couple tabs I know I can get. The first and only time I did it though was very high dose. Mushrooms are easy to find, and I have done them the most and got the most out of them, but thats on the number of times I've done them moreso than effect. For a long time the mushrooms really helped me, now the depression returns before the trip even ends though, but I haven't done anything over 7 grams before, nothing like the acid. Lastly there is DMT, which I have not done before but plan to soon. It seems like it might be helpful and it is the one I have the most hope for. With it I might be able to get better results with less potential for problems, but I won't know till I try. As far as others go I find salvia useless except for pure fun, I know little about the research chemicals and can't comment, but know alot of what is sold as "acid" nowadays are research chemicals and not classic acid so doses and effects can differ, and porentially be dangerous if you are unsure. I don't know your experience level with these, if low or none existent I would say go for mushrooms, and ideally have a sitter. If you have more experience I would say that they have different impacts and it is hard to tell even for myself, DMT by the sounds of it can be life changing, mushrooms allow you to play with perspective and potentially deal with trauma, acid moreso alters perception. I might try a combined acid mushroom trip, it is hard to give advice for others though. For me usually mushrooms put me into this headspace where I become very introspective and reality and mind kind of bend, useful for working with depression, for my friend it lets him watch the magical gnomes (or whatever) running around and doesn't understand why I (as someone who has never experienced anything like that) would even do it. Hard to recommend for a stranger because I don't know how you react or what you need out of them.
@@TemporalAberration To my knowledge psychedelics are quite hard to od off of. Although perhaps the use of a High dose may be able to help you mentally as i know that psychedelics allow you to see the world in a different way and could potentially heal your pain, although that is by no means a guarantee
I've been going through a lot cause of my narcissistic father,oher toxic members and bad health.. but still survived cause of altruism. Now what I feel is that most suicides are egoistical, cause if you care about others and the future ones who'd need your help, you won't quit no matter what
Iv tried twice and often have "suicidal ideation" which is thinking about it and in some ways, a coping strategy. My desire to end it all comes from finding life intolerable due to Complex PTSD. I'm 50 and it's all I've ever really known. The longer things continue, the more I struggle, it breaks you down. I'm not sure what box this fits in regarding the video.
This video is only the societal perspective, its a macro perspective. The one you are describing feels exclusively individual (psychological/biochemical). Stay strong brother, you’ve already shown that you are strong by enduring for so long🙏🏻
@@betrippinn it's my pleasure, as I get older I care less about mentioning it, especially on here where we're pretty much anonymous. It can be triggering taking too much though. You are so far from alone although it can often feel that way. I'm feeling alone tonight but your comment has made me feel better so thank you 😊 Take care 🙌
Very good Video and i scrolled through a lot of the comments and i think you wrote something caring and helpful to each one that was in strong pain. I just wanted to say thx for that, its really nice you did that and cared!
What an excellent video. I think that if we want to stop suicides, we have to start thinking about self-respect/self-worth in terms of how we value others. To quote David Choe talking about the suicide of his friend, Anthony Bourdain, “You’re an asshole. You murdered yourself, you killed someone- that person happened to be you but you couldn’t even show up for yourself.”
That is the dumbest shit I have ever heard this is why we do it your anger is uneeded your society built in selfish desires your normal is not ours we should be let free to build our own communities I believe seperation with like minded individuals is the key.
Legit how I feel.acutal Freedom is very, very hard for me to find in the USA.God and my very brief moments of solitude is the only expectations. Death is a true consideration.but i choose to give it a Good fight
I'm sure many others feel the same, I know I have periods where I do... All we can do is to keep going, and get out of it much much stronger. Fight on, fellow warrior.
@@CrossingThoughts whether this sound better or worse.Im a hell of long way from actually doing it.I guess that to say.The fight will not be truly in vain (P.S this not a suicide note.I had gotten back to working out.Just Putting things in a little more perspective) 👍🔥
Even after all this time, murdering each other in wars is more understandable to us than suicide. Have you thought about how messed up that is?
Thank you for the comment. Didnt think about it exactly like that, no, but Thats certainly an interesting proposition! I am planning to make a video about Durkheim’s sociological perspective on crime soon, make sure you subscribe🙏🏼⏳
@@CrossingThoughts murder due to crime is one thing, but a significant amount of the violence that occurs in war is straight up torture. They say that a person who commits suicide just passes that pain on to others. And soldiers in a war don't? People haven't been raised to look at what it means to be a "hero" in this world..
Yes, perspective is key.
@@CrossingThoughts I look forward to your next video.
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People who are in psychological pain and cannot see a way out commit suicide. They often grow tired and just can’t fight it anymore.😢
Living is agony to a depressive (negative mind)
Seemingly not tired enough if they have the energy to undo themselves, imagine being so tired that even undoing is too much work…
@@scarletpurple7801dont give up,keep moving forward
@@sophiafakevirus-ro8ccdont give up
So very true. @@Anythingbutaquestion
As someone who’s tried to commit and ruined their life with an attempt gone sideways, we need more videos like this. People ignore warning signs until it happens and go ‘I didn’t know they were so sad’ when sadness is even the most prevalent factor. There’s an extreme lack of community where I lived, and so many of my decisions felt feckless. Didn’t help my parents were both extremely controlling. A lot of it was my own egoism as well. Suicide is a very complex topic that can’t be boiled down to dysphoria
Appreciate your time and your comment. Stay strong brother, things will always change, in one direction or a another🫵🏻🙏🏻
How did it go sideways?
@@CrossingThoughts I sure as hell want to die aswell, i feel like its a mix of 2 and 4
*****FOUNDING FATHER MY A$$*****
This founding father of sociology Emile Durkheim is partly, at a minimum, clueless to his own studies. While suicide is real to many of us his correlation to it's causes/development are not. Emile Durkheim would require to have to had understood the anatomy of the body in which particular organs (minds) were the generating cause of improper thoughts that lead to suicide (which he did not). He would have to have understood the process of true thinking in which one process of improper thinking leads to another (which he did not). He would have to have understanding of how life is continuous (re-birth) as suicide does not necessary completely evolve from one lifetime (which he did not). Combine all of that and suicide slowly progresses from one state to another. It does not have much of anything to do with social ordeals as mentioned; that (society) is an existing experience that adds to the presence of contemplation but not the underlining/initial issue.
An individual can have as many distinguished titles and decorated awards all they want, however when it comes to TRUTH those can mean little to nothing. Academia, as a whole throughout generations, has been leading astray many of our summa cum laudes, magna cum laudes and cum laudes students since the first graduation. And just like MAN, who observes a changing universe, his assumptions appear to be made from observations in which his senses (which change with the nature image being studied) have derailed him down the inappropriate paths of cause and misdirected effects. Look at how many times science/medical have flipped-flop with what is good then bad then good for you again. The senses observe a changing universe in which the INFORMATION changes when a new situation dictates/appears. KNOWLEDGE however never changes.
Emile's most fundamental idea (1:02) was wrong to start with. It would be a justifiable idea IF, and I say IF, we only had one (1) life in which society made such an impression on our psyche that those social facts out weighed our inbreeded feeling and desire portion of being human.
Blow smoke up someone else (with this video) cause we as a people need help as suicide is real - we need the cure.....not some assumptions to sound good to later have your name in the history/medical books as The father.
I spoke to a family member, after struggling with over a decade of suicidal ideation and complete contempt for life itself; I decided to open up to my brother about it. After a year of being pretty set with my mentality "Im over this, lets wrap it up" I had a plan, a date and all.
His only response was to bring it back to himself, how he equally or worse feels the same way.
A lot of people like to throw around the term but I think its pretty fucked up saying that to someone. Its something people who genuinely want, or even contemplate the thought of will hold to their chest. At least in my scenario, from 14-26 I didn't want anyone knowing my thoughts on it because I knew if I attempted to do it there would be no mistakes, no half-assed attempts and i wouldn't be waiting for people to change my mind.
I can't see the "benefit" behind lying about something so serious.. so next time someone actually says something people should listen.
I'm doing a lot better from that response alone cause I realised it was when I could finally rip my stupid ass family completely out of my life. Now i'm in a position where I don't talk to family nor have many friends left. It seems that the more "desperate" you get for interaction, the more that energy pushes people away socially.
As someone who has attempted suicide, I feel like I can see myself in all 4 types.
I felt insignificant in the grand scheme of things, no more important than an ant in an anthill. But still, everything I did was in an effort to live up to people's expectations.
I always put other people's needs before my own, and in doing so, my own feelings took a backseat, and nobody ever knew how I really felt.
So, I felt too ingrained in society while simultaneously lacking deep emotional connection.
I felt like I had too many choices and too few at the same time.
The cause of my suicide attempt cannot be put into one of these 4 boxes. It contained elements from all of them.
Thank you for sharing this, I appreciate it! Indeed, these types are only theory, in reality all of them might be in play at once
@@CrossingThoughts I believe they are all in play. At least for me, it seems like they were
I hope you are alright now 🙏
@@gregoryk_lite thank you for your concern. I'm still struggling with my mental health, but I'm certainly in a better place now than I was 5 years ago
Glad you’re still with us. This life is yours as much as ours. Enjoy it. Enjoy YOU.
The only reason why I haven’t left this world yet is because of the fear of failing and leaving permanent scars and paralysis
Please stay strong brother, this world may be cruel, but human strength is beyond comprehension🙏🏻
Me too, I would probably live through it and be really fucked up.
The day after you try it feels kind of numb. Like you are watching a movie. It really sucks because you can't even tell eiple you tried. Blame the rash on your neck on something else, hope no one heard you shoot the wall.
Don’t be.
That's one good thing about living in a desert. A few days without water is all you need, and no-one is around to stop you.
Excellent video! It was enlightening to learn how society and environment play a significant role rather than the romanticized notion of psychological “issues”.
Thank you!🤝
Every human being is a consequence of their environment, suicide, or metal issues that leads to it
I'm surprised you didn't already know it at whatever age you are now
I mean, they form you, but if you stand out with a different opinion, you're doomed
It is multiple factors. Other people and circumstances play a major part.
My suicidal ideation came from a fatalistic place.
I looked at the state of the world, and then I looked at all the different things I could do to try and eke out a life. I was academically gifted, but my neurodivergence has severely limited the things I am capable of. Even if I have the intellectual capacity, my social abilities and executive functioning (planning, goal setting, time management) skills are poor to the point where I struggle in attaining and keeping basic employment. I fear I will never be able to hold down a full time job that pays well enough for me to be able to afford to live. I feel like a burden on my parents and a burden on society.
My depression and suicidal ideation came from not seeing any future for myself where I could be happy. I had no hope and no reason to live. Plain and simple.
Head up, and keep fighting, fellow earthling🙏🏻
I feel a similar way. Especially with the guilt of being a formerly gifted student, and now not heading in the direction of the expectations I feel like I set for myself, I feel like a waste in potential. On top of that, one of the only things I’m interested in doing as a career was already unstable enough, but is now threatened by the possibility of being replaced by ai. But if I try anything else I don’t think I would be able to keep myself motivated enough. I am going into my unstable industry banking on the hope that things will straighten out by the time I graduate college, but it fills me with uncertainty to base my long term plans on a hope. I’m just going to do it, and if I run into any issues I’ll get there when I get there. I’ll stay aware of future possibilities but I won’t try to ruminate on the thought that it won’t work out.
tldr burnt out ‘gifted kid’
We should join forces.
Egoistic and anemic suicide are definitely the most prevelant in developed countries (and perhaps in developing too) these days, and I think the reason is clear: They are aiming for hyper individualistic societies. Everybody is left to their own, everybody deserves everything that comes their way or it is "just life", everybody shapes their own destiny, everybody reaps what they sow; nobody owes anyone anything, nobody can tell you what to do, nobody controls you, nobody can interfere you, nobody has a say on what you do... Everybody is as disconnected as it can be.
I could not have said it better myself. It is "you do you, I do me" thinking, which is positive to a degree, but also leaves people alone, and their achievements end up being insignificant because everyone is busy with their own goals and journey. Again, it sounds good, and it is to a degree, but a feeling of belonging and a little sacrifice to some group/community would do developed countries good, I think.
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Holy smokes this is brutal 💀😭☹️
It's only going to get worse.
Apparently, the UK is now the most anomic society on Earth.
That's why I hate the attitude of "Do you", which might as well mean "Fuck you". Ghetto language.
The U.S. is a "Fuck you, I got mine" shithole. No compassion for our people, no passion for our own nation- why bother?
There are records of horses accidentally eating gympie gympie (easily the most painful plant on the planet) and offing themselves by either bashing their head into a tree/rock or just walking into a body of water and staying at the bottom.
I did not know this! I’ve heard that some sharks strand themselves though
@@CrossingThoughtsThere was also a dolphin living in captivity, that insistently bashed his head into a wall until death, most likely due to severe mistreatment.
Absolutely!! I have been very steeped in the horse industry for over 60 years, involved in many disciplines. There really are horses who have no self preservation instinct whatsoever. Race horses, will run themselves into rails at speed, with no provocation. Some trail horses will just walk, resisting his rider’s directives, into bad swampy water with no hesitation, until they drown. Crash into trees as if blind. Jump out of safe areas of no stress, just because. I had a mare who would just bomb on at a gallop, anywhere at anything. When she crashes and got hurt? No problem, no pain. Others just wade into any bad areas, never shy or make any effort to save themselves. They just don’t care.
@@barbarabrown9269Do you ever feel they are doing this out of suffering from captivity or mistreatment?
@@globalheartwarming horses are just whacked out sometimes.
I'm 44 and i have been suicidal since i was around 9 after my dad died, a year later my mom died so i have my reasons for being this way, trauma is hard to deal with.... but the REAL killer is loneliness imo! Life just isn't worth living when you have to do it all on your own. I live in a city that's considered to be very social and fun... yet i'm extremely lonely and have few outlooks since i'm on permanent sickleave (due to my past and it's complications). The pandemic made everything worse, seems for me it has never stopped, that isolation. The few social interactions i had left, fizzeled out.
A lot of young people live around me, they have their social gatherings and all that, i hear the neighbours having fun, having friends over... hearing that all the time when being alone yourself all the time takes away the will to live!
Some people only chatter to pleasantly mask indifference, or gain traction for themself. Hence why blood tends stay thicker than water. It kinda seems like most interaction is just a circus/stunt performance, or a self-help book club convention. Guess that's why people tend to hoist themself onto the altar of romance. But neither romance or work does it alone, only good balance. And after a straining day, flippant comments can really sting...
You should really start to enjoy the upside of being alone.
I find being alone very normal now. Two years on you a similar situation, injuries, sick leave etc.
Its very hard to get on with the others and all theyre new old fangled ways.
Its when you open up to others and feel again thats the dangerous bit.
You always know where you are with nobody else, you know you're own tastes, what you like.
Instead of constantly bending to the whims of others like a blade of grass in wind.
@@redaliceholeden3941 humans are not made to be alone all the time. And it's not healthy to live in a city and be alone 24/7, i have no family, no supportsystem left, it makes someone extra suicidal. I have a chronic pain disorder, cptsd/depression and anxiety, i have Ménière's disease in both ears, and live in a house in need of repairs that i can't afford... all that on top of the loneliness... NO! 'You shoud really start enjoying being alone'... it's an extremely ignorant thing to suggest
@LordPinky455 im very sorry you are feeling this way but i think the other guy just meant that theres always a bright side if you are able to conform enough. (Not that that is very easy or good for your mental health either)
So?
I spent a huge part of my teenage days crying on a bed. I felt that life had no purpose, didn´t want to go to school and prayed every night not to wake up next day. It´s been a rough path but antidepressants helped me immensely. I´ve never heard about these four types, but, the last one was basically me about 15 years ago. This should be talked, people should be able to at least understand that what is happening to them is not something unique and isolated, but something that hundreds of thousands have suffered in history. I salute you for this video.
After reading all the comments on people who have suffered from suicidal ideations or have actually tried it I feel very blessed to have never felt any type of depression in my life to bring me to a point of thinking about doing something like this.Idk whether that’s a good or bad thing,but I wish all of you in the comments a long happy life.
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it blows my mind that there are people who never have those thoughts but i am grateful for that too. been dealing with it my whole life since i was 7 and every single person in my immediate family and half of my extended family deals with it too.
From my perspective, that is a good thing, and I hope you never suffer that experience ever. You seem to have a kind soul. This world is in dire need of those lately.
@@GregMerritt-ws8tq 🙏🏻❤️
Sometimes the impulse is not depression caused tho
It’s not easy drifting though life existing rather than living and paying an arm and a leg to simply exist let alone to live a balanced quality of life. I see why people do it and I hope to gain more motivation to leave one day. More power to those who want to stay here and take this demonic life by the horns, you’re heroes.
why wont anyone love me why am i all alone when others are not i want to die
They would be heroes if they fixed the problem that is societal brainwashing and slavery for money which is the tool of slavery.
I can answer the first one. No matter how phychologically damaged we are by the world around us, we are still animals after all. Biology plays into this gut deep instinct to survive no matter how much you don't want to anymore.
It's something ingrained in all that is living
@ArmouredCentaur Your father was right, but sometimes some people are willing to give up all the good that could come with life in order to get rid of all the bad that is guaranteed to come. Not everyone will accept life for what it is and that may or may not lead them to death, but in most cases it will and it just is what it is. I appreciate your comment as well as the insight and wisdom you shared that was shared to you by your father. Keep those close who truly care about you.
To everyone reading this, I sincerely pray for that whatever is causing you pain or stress will pass. May your negative thoughts, excessive worries and doubts disappear, replaced by clarity and understanding. May your life be filled with peace, tranquility and love
As a 20 years old who had a problem with sirious depression, I can tell it is a third and fourth type. For me, it was a lack of pourpose, lack of something to live for it, something to belive. And, as well, a thinking that my life won't be worth of living. I was thinking about the suicide as a end of that. I would say that the modern socioty is sick in general. And I want to say one veeery important thing: Delete instagram, tik tok, facebook, averything like that, or, if you can't try to use it as little as you can. It's making you sick, it's making you stupid. I am a lot happyer and healthyer when I deleted it.
Serious*, healthier*, happier*, believe*, society*, everything*,....damn bro get off the social media it's killing your braincells 💀
people judging spelling as a point of intelligence is hilarious.
Haha! Lack of “pourpose”!
i just dont want to be alone....why are women so evil
Why would you joke on such a post? Imbecile.
For me, giving birth is the most egoistic act a living being can perform, it's worse than murder. Condoning another living creature to live in this hell while demanding them to attend your egoistic expectations is something disgusting.
I didn't wanted to be here, and I don't think someone ever wanted
I have never attempted it, but I have felt suicidal a few times in my life. I'm autistic, and we often don't get the help we need, if we even have the energy to manage to find help to begin with. We have to do things our way in order to save energy for other things we do later that day.
And looking at how people aren't willing to believe what we tell about our sensory issues and other experiences and how they can even gaslight us because they find us so uncanny (haven't happened to me personally, but still), it often makes us feel so powerless. Autistic kids suffer in school, autistic adults suffer at work. I don't work, because I feel like I can't trust a huge chunk of neurotypical people ("normal", the majority), due to how they treat other disabled people and whatnot.
And the fact that most people aren't even aware of their own underlying biases makes me so frustrated. Not everyone can sit and self-reflect for hours as a kid or a teen, but I sure wish most people could. Or atleast talked about biases in school. It would have helped sooooo much. Making people aware of themselves and what they do, think, feel and whatnot is one step toward progress after all.
Hey
Reading this hit close home because I feel a lot of sympathy and empathy
My partner has had suicidal tendencies for years before we met, and we suspect she's autistic (not diagnosed)
We struggle sometimes with emotions or her knowing what she wants, or things like that
Personally it's been an ordeal for me but I want the best for her the same way we began
Do you think you could tell me more about suicidal tendencies and autism? As you know it's a niche topic and we rarely find people to talk about it
I understand we're literal strangers on the web, and respect it if you don't wanna go over it for whatever reason
There's a growing body of research showing just how prevalent suicide is among autistic people. Autistic people are six times more likely to attempt suicide and sixty-six percent of autistic adults contemplate suicide. Autistic children are also twenty-eight percent more likely to be suicidal and fifteen percent of autistic children are suicidal relative to .8% of non-autistic children. I've read papers from both the US and the UK about this topic. Finding this out really put things into context for me, I've felt suicidal at various stages of my life since I was seven and seeing these statistics made me realize I wasn't abnormal or alone despite how isolated I've felt.
@@rubenirrelevante1817 Well, I remember being a bit suicidal already as a child, but that was because I was bullied by another autistic kid my age, who were oblivious to the bullying, which made it even worse.
The fact that many people won't even try to understand our ways of communicating with one another can make one suicidal because of all the frustration one can feel from not being understood by others.
Some people even think our suffering is a part of autism itself, which IT'S NOT. (if our suffering is a part if autism, then others making us suffer is a part of their neurotype/disabilities/whatever)
We all need to stop dismissing each other concerns if we want to better our mental health in general.
@@ankaplanka
Is there any general advice you'd give on helping autistic people with suicidal tendencies?
I put a lot of effort in understanding the ways she does and thinks things differently than me, but I wish I could do more
So you are Ryan Gosling?
Amazing video! I’ve struggled with suicidal ideation and even attempted a few times. I’ve never truly been able to explain my thoughts but this video perfectly sums the things i feel. As another comment stated, I feel a combination of all these types exist. I feel like I’d do everyone a favor by ending everything. Lack of community emphasizes this, as I feel isolated from everyone. I’m graduating high school this year and just like anomic suicide, I feel lost. I have more freedom now that I’m getting older, but I’m kind of just expected to know what I want to do or how to do it. Fatalistic suicide isn’t as prevalent in society within my own life, instead existing more within my family. I feel trapped by the expectations put on me by my family. I feel as if I’m just an extension of my parents life rather than an actual individual and it becomes too much sometimes. It’s comforting knowing I can associate these feelings with actual words, I can’t thank you enough for creating this video :)
Interesting analysis of yourself, and I’m glad you found some value in the video! Stay strong🙏🏻
The controling parents part and being an extension of them.. I so relate to that.
About a couple months ago I wanted to end my life so bad, was so sad, so exhausted because of that deep feeling. The feeling of being lost, useless, a pointless life and feeling trapped forever. All at the same time. I understand you. I feel your pain and can only wish you healing and wish you abundance of happiness. I hope you are doing well and feel much better ❤
I watched this video because my own brother took his life last December 2022 .... I think my brother dealt with #2 and #3 ....he was never married and no children. And he took his life age 64. So hard watching him suffer.
My dad died by suicide in 2009. He felt trapped manipulated and destroyed by his children that wanted his money. Sad day
Suicide runs in my family, and I’ve struggled with ideation a few times. There was a point in January 2021 where I was sitting on the bathroom floor and basically taking it moment my moment willing myself not to do anything. I felt incredibly alone, and I couldn’t handle what I was going through anymore between the trauma and triggers and panic attacks I was having at the time. I ended up getting therapy afterwards, and it helped a lot, but I’m still working on things.
Anyway, what got me through it was my son. He was about the same age at the time that my Dad was when his Dad committed suicide (5). I saw how that affected my Dad, and I couldn’t put my son through that. (Absolutely no shame to anyone who’s tried/done it, though - this shit is fucking hard.) I just sat there thinking about my son. He loves Frozen 2, and there’s this song that talks about how all you have to focus on when things are really overwhelming is doing the next right thing. So I basically just sat there alone on the bathroom floor trying to do that. And it was hands down the hardest thing I’ve ever done in my life. And it took a long time, but I’m not on the bathroom floor anymore.
I can’t recommend therapy enough, though. That has helped in ways that I didn’t even know were possible. And sometimes just hearing a really good therapist saying that something sounds hard is healing in itself. Like they know what they’re talking about, and they can help you. I know people say this all the time, but if you are going through this stuff, please reach out and get help. I know it sounds like a lie when people say that things can get better, because I thought it sounded that way, too, but things actually can get better.
I got help, and now I have two sons. Witnessing them interacting with each other seriously blows my mind sometimes, knowing how things could have gone. And I feel like I’m an infinitely better parent after working with my therapist.
Seriously, life can actually get better. It may take a long time, and a lot of things might change in ways you didn’t expect, but things can actually get better. That’s what I would go back in time and tell myself. So that’s what I am telling anyone reading this now. Please give yourself a chance.
We are less connected now than ever. What we're doing here on the internet is not connecting, it's simply giving and reading opinions of people you don't know. It's killing all of us.
And yet if I met people in real life I would want nothing to do with them. I don’t like talking about sports, the news, anything mainstream. I don’t like nerds or geeks either who obsess over their made up fantasy worlds and specific niches. I don’t fit in anywhere and topics I like talking about hold no importance to others and things other people say to me do not interest me either. Regardless of the internet speaking to a flesh human also has the same disconnect- the disconnect and severance socially is deeper
I really hate the term "egoistic suicide". It has a moralistic connotation to it. As if by being in a state of suffering and wanting to end it is somehow a "selfish" thing.
It is a term Durkheim used, and this video was about his theory. I have to explain his theory precisely, although the term sounds bad
Does it matter if it's selfish? Calling suicide selfish is one of the most ineffective things possible, if they are truly selfish why would they care what someone thinks?
I would say egoistic suicide. Neighbours are strangers, families are strangers and communities are almost obsolete. There is so much entitlement happening and more love for materialistic things
I appreciate your comment! I think you’re on to something, especially considering the entitlement part, although I think anemic suicide is just as plausible.
@@CrossingThoughtsI watched the video again and anomie make more sense if you factor in hedonic adaptation. We’re not taught contentment only materialistic. The beast will never be full so nothing can fulfill it , if you’re not happy or content in life. So, I agree with you.
Mass production and over indulgence numbs the senses to the point of pure hedonism. Everything becomes so superficial that it leaves an impression of meaningless that depletes purpose of anything, hence being worse than War which is controlled chaos unlike hedonism which is uncontrolled chaos and eventual decadence which leads to anarchy
You literally just describe me.
My suicidal ideation started at 13ish. Lasted 7 years or so. But they mostly revolved around causing pain in others. Even in my first note at 13 I wrote something like “I know that the worst pain a parent can experience is having to bury their own child, I want you to feel that.”
Not sure which type that falls into.
Sounds more like psychological. This video only took the sociological approach.
That's likely for attention and was so prevalent when I was a kid. In fact, it was rather trendy to be suicidal or emo, all those people grew up, had kids, and they now go shopping at hobby lobby for weekly dopamine fixes.
I never understood where my suicidal feelings came from, and hearing about the altruistic anf anomic suicides hit me real hard. That's what it is. That's exactly it. Thank you.
Read „Healthy Selfishness: Getting The Life You Deserve Without Guilt.". Might change your life.
I feel about my life as an absurd game or a movie that I just want to shut off. I feel like there's nothing comming that would be worth the wait. I just wander from day to day, knowing that the things I want the most deply I'll never have. I know I'll never be who I want to be. And I know I'll never fill the void that's screaming and tearing at me from my core. The only thought that gives me comfort is "It won't last forever. One day I'll be gone. One day I'll leave." And I look forward to that. I look forward to all this to stop.
I would most definitely say I'm in the egoistic part. Even tho I have 5 siblings and interact with them from time to time, they are more like strangers to me. Not even friends, just some people I know from somewhere. My parents care a lot about me, but I don't care about them. I guess I don't care about anyone, or anything. I don't care about myself. I am not invested in any of this at all. Why am I still here? Why am I still me? I'm 29 already. It's never been different. I have felt the same all that time. I'm tired. I really want it to end already.
Change is the only constant, this idea helped me through my lowest periods in my life between 2020-2022. Head up, keep striving, cultivate the strength within you my friend🤝
I have the same feeling like you at first part, i already missed on many important things that are away from me every day furher. Just living day to day tired, not having a reason to wake up in the morning, and all hope for something positive happening to me is gone for decade now. Iam just trapped in this world and everything is crushing around, and there is noone to blame but me. I am becoming the person that i never wanted to be. And no amount of money, material things are there to fill me.
"The one thing they love more than a hero is to see a hero fail, fall, die trying. In spite of everything you've done for them, eventually, they will hate you." - Green Goblin
Suicide seems like it should be impossible, if you understand how life evolved, and yet it happens. I feel that our misery derives from the fact that we're almost entirely still adapted to be hunter-gatherers living in groups of a hundred or so, with a shared culture and goals. Living in cities, travelling, encountering a multitude of different cultural ideas, seeing strange faces often, but also spending more time alone than is good for us, leave us bewildered and struggling to cope with a range of feelings and expectations.
If it would seem devolution more productive to society, then likely retards the notion of evolution, whiLEnding more credence in the direction of pre-programming. It's probably safe to say we're androids let loose from some OuteRim Factory... Complex elementaLayer sensation is not for the faint of heart
It's all connected to society, I fucking hate society
Everyone around me tells me that I am a sinner for having suicidal thoughts made me understand why many people hate our society and doesn't talk to others openly.
Also you have my subscribe, I haven't heard a more accurate explanation about suiside
Thank you, and keep fighting my guy🤝
I’m glad someone is talking about different forms of death. Durkheim’s theories are reflective of his time and place. Many can relate because most modern people think 🤔 all societies operate this way. They forget it is only modern society that exists in this way. I think of the few hunter gatherers people that still exist and know that they don’t exist this way. I descend from the Aka or in modern western language Pygmy people. I was young when I felt the spark of joy in my heart. I have a very different perspective on my existence. I was raised in America so I understand this modern perspective on life but it can’t rob me of the simplicity of my heart. I don’t feel insignificant I feel special to know that if life is what the universe can make without chaos then life is pretty special. There is so much chaos in manmade society. If you take a look 👀 at places like the Congo or the Amazon they are teaming with life and yes…. Order! Nothing in verdant places is wasted, lifeless or cold! Nature is life and life is what the universe created on one planet that has enjoyed a little temporary stability. If one looks at life and living from this perspective all life is precious ❤. Any living thing should feel special that with time and peace found through purpose (existing for there to be life) is it’s own victory! I take comfort knowing that I didn’t have to exist in a apparently (currently) lifeless universe, I got to exist! That is the joy I guess that of all things I AM HERE! Maybe it’s my ancient genes 🧬 but it means something to me ❤.
I think village mentality is beneficiALso, cause smaller units have to pull together to make desperate tighter bonds. Soldiers experience it in their bunkers and camps (a little too fast paced if shit gets real). But anyhow, LIVING with or toiling alongside people on same project($) often makes good for honesty!
i dont want to be alone
I am a blonde white blue eyed British/French (mostly) Canadian from Montreal, I also do not feel insignificant despite living in this society as do most people I know. I find my value and purpose through science and understanding, art, creativity, music, technology, invention, culture, society, life's existence itself, also nature and beyond.
I do not really understand the implication you are giving off that people from modern societies cannot feel that way nor that there are only specific ways to feel it. Modern society is not a bad thing... It is not detrimental, if you don't think any person from past history or from a tribe out in the middle of nowhere wouldn't prefer to live in a modern society if they understood what it meant that is purely delusion.
Be appreciative of what you have. It took the efforts and creativity of billions of people, the lives of millions, and millions of years to get here. We live in the absolutely best time in history with the most opportunity, best quality of living, most to entertain ourselves and experience, etc. in the history of the Homo genus... It's insane to not appreciate that while literally living in it
@@jaytbo5676 first of all, nature does not have a beyond, it simply flows and conglomerates. Second, most people are preoccupied with keeping their financial head above water, that their energy to make time for other people often feels limited. Getting any group projects met between others' schedules (and or priorities) is far from consistent. We also still have the secret mafia of business elites, who constrict things such as tech and spew scientific disinformation + redundancy. There are all kinds of institutionaLegal hoops put in order to try and discourage passion from the shelves, and divergence is frowned upon almost every corner. While it is merriment for consumption en masse, producers get shafted a hundred times before any item gets to our doorstep. And half the time it's built to break.
@@batbutonfiredont give up,you are not alone,keep moving forward,keep trying,you are amazing🙂
I'm really glad RUclips recommended this video to me, you gained a new subscriber. Excellent video, informative, well narrated and straight to the point; I'm really glad I learned something new. It's a dark topic but that should definitely be more discussed, so we can reflect and perhaps act, striving for a world that won't consume us.
I've been telling people for a long time that a lot of us don't need therapy, we need grandparents (a pithy way of highlighting the lack of cultural relevance and family connections most of us have now). The despair of an uncaring godless universe and the loneliness of rationality and the pressure to be all and everything always... breaks us.
I mean if we take it literal: Most of our grandparents went through WW2, heavily traumatized. European society took a great U-Turn and most of the culture, traditions and values totally changed. We went from: "Our nation, which is only people who had the right parents, are loyal towards the goverment and speak our language, is worth sacificing your health and even life for. Those who are not "us" only deserve our positive attention if our nation gets a benefit from it. But that is always doubtful, as our nation is the best, strongest, most moral and holiest on the planet." To: "Human dignity shall be inviolable. To respect and protect it shall be the duty of all state authority. We therefore acknowledge inviolable and inalienable human rights as the basis of every community, of peace and of justice in the world." So, we cannot go back, but today's society organization also has severe downsides. We need a totally new aproach.
@@Kretoma 110%
Embracing life's inherent meaninglessness, individuals can reject societal expectations and define success and fulfillment on their own terms. Absurdist philosophy encourages finding joy and purpose in the struggle itself, rather than fixating solely on the outcome.
*I have adopted this philosophy and it really helped with my antisocial and suicidal outlook on my life.*
Ego.
Even todays interactions with family or friends feels so surface level
That is definately more common now in individualistic societies than earlier times.
this book was my introduction to sociology when I first had a class around it in college, it definitely sparked my interest in the subject and It still intrigues me to this day
Same! It might be dark, but it isnt boring
This will sound harsh and insensitive, but the two suicides I had in the family was through a simple thing called spite: the desire to show someone else what he could do because of certain actions in a relationship. A family friend killed himself and his two sons of 3 and 5 because his wife was in an extra-marital relationship. The other was when a 20 year old was served with a restraining order from his girlfriend's mother. I never forgave those two for what they did to their families.
The first one I think everyone could agree about what he did, as he dragged more people with him. The second one is hard to not empathize (at least with the little information about the case)
I think altruistic 5u1c1d3 could be relevant to our time. I have heard of some people who have committed it saying that they did it to "alleviate the burden from their loved ones".
I always thought egoistic and anemic suicide was more prevalent. But altruistisk suicide probably also happens. We can agree that the individual’s situation is a big factor of which type that will happen.
Very interesting video. I’ll check out your other videos too. My slightly older brother who is 53 ( I’m 52) recently made a second suicide attempt within 6 months.
Thank you for watching. Hearing stories like this is heartbreaking, but know that people feel for you. Stay strong, please, and keep fighting🤝
I want to let anyone watching this who is going through a rough time that your life is valuable and your emotions matter so after you’re done watching this very informative video to go watch some cat videos and enjoy the rest of your day much love ❤
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Nice words, but unfortunately not true. People only have value if they have a use for other people, otherwise they are seen as an obstacle.
i lived all my life with suicidal thoughts. they started when i was around 7-9 years old probably. the age when you understand your surroundings more and why things are the way they are. parents are alcoholics and we never had enough money, sometimes even for food, parents fought when drunk sometimes with knives. me and my sister had always hide all cutlery even spoons and our vacuum had this metal tube so it was dangerous too. and at that age i wanted to end my life so my parents would maybe stop drinking and take proper care of my younger sister. i wanted them to find me all cold and lifeless so they could feel really bad because of what they are doing… i am 23 now and i can’t imagine my life without suicidal thoughts they are always there i often come for them to feel comfort and to think how i can always just end this and no one can take it away from me
Heartbreaking read. Your strength is unbelieveable for having had to endure this
Terrible upbringing but try to keep stoic and stay in the present you are a survivor of the past and the now is most important as our pasts should be forgotten try to change mindset to new beginning in the now and understand your strength of getting here 👍🇬🇧
Hang in there kid. Your special. There is someone special just for you out there.
It's both terrifying and empowering to understand your capability to take your own life, not to mention that of others. If you can face death at your own hands then so too can you face life, and face it fully. Therein lies freedom
I love the video and the topics it entails. I don't understand why there isn't a high number of subscribers...
Thank you! Hopefully more people will see the video and subscribe🙏🏻
I just did, and thank you.
As an experienced lifelong suicide veteran I would like to inform you that the things youve mentioned barely scratch the glass of why I have been gored from the inside. The only thing it has in common is the point of catastrophic failure when the matter cannot be resolved. All things die when the environment is not fit for life. What killed me was allowing myself to believe every lie until proven otherwise so I could paint an accurate picture in my mind of what I was experiencing. Believing my friends, family and God loved me and trusting them until proven otherwise. Having a young child inside me that I had to put to death so he wouldnt know the world and not even be able to bury him because he was me. My heart is gone.
I agree with you in that the video is limited in its view on the topic. This video only took the sociological approach.
As an autistic person, I have experienced all four of these states, in different intensities.
I think that if you believe nobody will notice your gone or not is the big push to go .There is a lot more isolation out of fear that adds to it ,so for me I also fear not being found for a long time and the trauma on the finder
Right, like whether anyone you have respect for will dig to remember your inclinations and vibe -- but even then, the future can just seem blanDaunting
Very interesting standpoint.
I always wondered why certain countries have higher rates than the other, and not just by a slight percentage difference.
This vide answered it in a way.
I think it would always be the egoistic one prevalent. In my life, I've been drawn to suicide many times, and it would be egoistic suicide 'cause I've had enuff since I was 16 and just wanted everything to stop. On the other hand what kept me alive...well, aside from people saving you while you're dying, but that won't make you stop to try again next time around. The actual reason is actually altruistic, I wouldn't want to hurt others with my egoistic suicide and break their lives completelly.
When it comes to altruistic suicide, that's a given. I wouldn't hesitate to do it if the situation requires, it is my duty to give my life to save something more important. An', is there a better way to die than die a hero?
Society as a whole is very sick. You see these people everywhere and they make life horrible for everything on the planet. If 90% of the world is sick and the 10% who are not just want to get away from them, it's no wonder people want to die instead of suffering in the misery the sick people cause non-stop.
For real
In other words - The Industrial Revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race
In some ways. But in other ways it absolutely saved us (medicine and population boom for instance)
There have been dolphins that have done this too. Because of stress.
But humans are in this unique situation. Where other humans can't recognize the emotions of their neighbor.
Plus the disintegration of social coherency. In favor of Egoism. No different than Wolves ganging-up on a Bear Cub.
Anomic and Egoistic. There is no sense of community, and whatever actions I take have no effect on society. I'm not sure what community even is anymore. I haven't experienced that feeling in many many years. Now when I'm surrounded by many people I just feel stressed.
Sometimes it is psychological. I've dealt with suicidal ideation since I was only 5 or 6 years old, have had major depressive disorder since 12, along with anxiety and nearly tried suicide at 14 and wanted to die with every fiber of my being at 24. My suicidal ideation only began to improve once I started healing from my trauma. So yes sometimes it is psychological.
This video just described my life. Athumbs up for this.
i think egoistic and anemic suic. are more prevalent in most of the countries
I think you’re spot on (especially anemic)
@@CrossingThoughtsAnomic is not having enough purpose. Anemic is not having enough red blood cells. You could die, but probably not on purpose.
Wow! I read Durkheim years ago in regards to Religion. I had forgotten all this- but you have reminded me how important it is… as I sit here wondering how I will be classified when the Big One hits. That’s the sign of a good Sociologist… and RUclips video. Thank you!
Thank you for watching, Durkheim is fascinating!
Fantastic video!
Physical pain is more compelling than is acknowledged here. It may have nothing to do with other people, society, the world, relationships or even emotion of any kind, but unrelenting, intractable, debilitating pain searing the mind day and night and exhausting the very will to live by making it impossible to do anything else but hurt. Escape from a burning building is a good analogy. Your skin is burning your lungs are screaming for air and you want out. When your body is the burning building you may very well equally want OUT.
I agree. This video was only the sociological approach, and is in no way enough to make sense of the topic
I beat depression a few weeks ago and valued wisdom over health. Research became an addiction and within 6 days, my mania brought me to psychosis.
I became deist, and due to the damaging effects of Christianity ( from my scientific perspective) I was planning an altruistic suicide to rescue my mom just in case she was in hell for not being Christian.
Luckily my aunt was quick enough to call an ambulance to get me to a mental hospital, where I made many friends and got way stronger.
My Christian family reassured me that she's in heaven thanks to some prayers made in her past.
But since I only get vague visions good and bad and can't define God, I am still Taoist because balance is more important to me than ever before. ✝️☯️✝️🌌💜
Belief is potent and powerful. I’m glad you have found purpose, and is on a personal journey towards balance🧠
Thanks for the comment, consider subscribing if you find the subject of social science interesting🙏🏻
@@CrossingThoughts As Doc Emmett Brown said,
I'm a student of all sciences.
1 life time isn't long enough to reach omniscience, so I hope to continue my progress AD.
I will search your channel and consider it.
Much love. ♥️💜💙🍎
Sorry to hear that you've had such a bad experience with Christianity. I'd encourage you to check out the work of Eastern Orthodox theologian David Bentley Hart, specifically his books "The Experience of God" and "That All Shall be Saved". The doctrine of Apokatastasis/Universal Salvation could resolve a lot of your difficulties, and Hart's view of Christianity avoids the simplistic anthropomorphisms of so much modern/pop culture Christianity.
I'd also recommend books like George MacDonald's Unspoken Sermons and Fr. Alvin Kimmel's "Destined for Joy".
Durkheim is a genius, truly way ahead of his time! 👥
Lack of social connection, every friend i had abonded me, no matter how much i did for them. Every love i had leave me for someone richer. Im alone and i can only feel relif when i take sht load of painkillers and antianxiety drugs/disociatives(i chosed every which is legal and prescribed so nobody can put me in jail). But they stop working. Like every artifical relif. I started making more and more mistakes and stop seeing any thing to help. I dont want to leave family with my problems i caused, so first i need to fix them before i leave. I spend life helping everyone and now nobody want to help me. I have desire for revange and to do evil but its not my nature. So i started thinking about cancelling this subsription
Wow, this was an emotional read. Thank you for having the courage to share it with me. Carl Jung (psychologist) says we should all integrate our shadow side (our dark side) and control it (use it for something good). A revenge arc might save you, if you use it to become stronger, and not hamring others. Take care fellow soldier🤝
I'm here if you want to talk
I had a difficult childhood and I failed in suicide several times. After confronting my father, I began to recover my self worth. Subsequently I have found more meaning in life, supporting others. Ironically it was what my father always wanted for me. We both just went about it the wrong way initially. Now I remember him and smile. I love my life.
I'm trapped in a maze where at every turn there lies another mistake. I try and I try and never succeed. I constantly feel unhappy, and can't get the traumatic images out of my head. I'm sick, and deprived, and there's no help for someone like me. No one cares and no one understands. I'm useless and nothing has any meaning anymore. Nobody likes me and I just wanted a friend. I feel so guilty all the time and shameful and I can't escape. Nobody would care if I ended it anyways.
This was a heartbreaking read, I see myself in your situation. It will get better, at least it will change (that is always a guarantee, because change is the only constant in the world). Please stay strong, seek a professional (just talking it out will relieve part of the pain, which may give you a positive *momentum*). Keep fighting, soldier💪🏼🫶🏼
One day
We will all be forgotten.
"Which TYPE of suicide will YOU commit? Let us know in the COMMENTS down below!🎉🎉🎉"
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@@CrossingThoughts Sorry, can't help myself. 🤧
I just like adding some spice of dark humour in such depressing discusions 🤷
I feel anemic and fatalistic is the same , a lack of a path or goals can be due to over regulation, lack of time, a lack of energy, which inhibits real personal freedom. If you look at the way society runs, we are as slaved as ever by expectations, and manipulations the only difference now is that it is harder to reach that conclusion
It is on the same axis «moral regulation», or lets just call it «values». So you’re not wrong
Well written. Informative and entertaining. This is an awesome product. Thank you.
Thank you 🤝
I think our society is going through some very uncertain times. Part of the uncertainty definitely creates a state of “what are the rules/norms/how to act/what to accept?” I can see where this could drive some to suicide.
1. Social integration
2. Moral Integration
3. Egoistic Self Slaying, Egoistic values and needs
4. Anomie
Where does Severe physical pain fit in there?
I feel like it doesn't fit into any of those
All 4 types of suicide . But I believe loss of hope is probably the biggest issue in todays society
Hope is what makes us strong. It is why we are here. It's what we fight with when all else is lost.
This is useful to my applied social psychology class. Thank you for the upload
Good to see that you found value in it, thanks for watching!
I can see myself in the second and third type. More in the second tbh. As long as I can think I’ve felt and been alone. I can’t hold friendships. I’ve dealt with my childhood trauma on my own. I’ve been sexual assaulted since I was a child. When I turned 12 it ended and then I thought about killing myself for the first time. I couldn’t explain these thoughts. My family doesn’t support me and still talk to the guy who sa‘d me even though they know.
Now I’m 18 and go to therapy. I’ve got diagnosed with ptsd and depression. On top of that I’ve got a chronic illness which causes me extrem physical pain everyday. I feel trapped in my body
This is something that I remember from my first class in classical sociological theory as I started working toward a PhD in Sociology in Fall 2011. If you don't mind, I'd like to email a link to this video to my professor for classical theory. I think this does a wonderful job of simplifying a very complex subject and explaining how this fits into our modern notions of mutually constructed social reality!
And to think that Durkheim came to these conclusions by examining raw statistical data!
Thank you so much for the comment! Feel free to email your professor, I hope he wont critique it too badly😅
Inflation Kills.
This guys voice reminds me of Half Light/Physical Instrument, love it.
I'm not a smart person
So for me it's simple
I wasn't able to fix what needed to be fix
I merely survived
Now surving isn't good enough and I'm done
Please stay strong, and trust your strength to endure whatever you are goong through brother🙏🏻
My mother took her life when I was eighteen. That has affected at least four generations to this day. I’ve had thoughts of doing it over the years but never did. God always supersedes the act.
I can only imagine your pain my friend. I hope you’ve found lasting peace, you’ve already shown strength for having to endure it🫵🏻
@@CrossingThoughts Thank you for your response! Know that it means a lot.
This is why I will not do it. Because it will affect my children. Trauma gets passed down through generations. I've been working really hard to heal mine, so my sons don't have to carry as much. But it is so difficult. This past year has been so difficult.
If life gets unbearable , filled with humiliation and defeat , it is a way out .
Happy people don't commit suicide !
How to become happier?
Fatalistic! I was just contemplating our situation in life as one who teeters toward homelessness. I had decided that if major change doesn't happen by 2024, I would be signing up for MAID, lol, not. I couldn't qualify as I live in the US, and understand it's available in Colorado, I still couldn't afford it. I trust that the favor is about to teeter our way, and once the momentum gets going, we should have restitution by 2024. I have subscribed as this is some of the only stimulating subject matter on RUclips these days. Thank you for that. I liked it too.
Thank you for the conment 🙏🏻
My classmate who sits behind me’s brother committed suicide recently at the age of 18 my school has strong military traditions so they held a military funeral with his friends carrying the coffin it was very sad
Definitely the lack of connection and over individuality of modern north America. That and the lack of moral guidance that leaves most to the oblivion of impulse and suffering between scurrying between the impulses.
I don’t want to go but I’m in so much pain
Change is the only constant. I’m sorry for your pain, but all I can tell you is to keep fighting, human beings are incredibly strong, and so are you my guy🤝
Poor dude you'll be okay just stay strong for the future.
Hey, please dont go, you will be able to get past the pain. Life can be truly beautiful and it really is worth fighting for
@@shrek8243 I have demons
we all have demons. I want you to challenge that demon by going to your GP and getting a Mental health plan or phone a hotline in your local area.
Only cowards end it, use pain to keep you going. One stage of your life doesn’t have to stop you from being more than you feel currently.
I studied at the University of Bordeaux. While I did not study the work of E. Durkheim he was frequently cited in France as well as in the US. Anomic suicide was the most emphasized. The societal changes in the western culture, in the US than in Europe at the time of Durkheim is disintegrating religious, societal beliefs and values. In a society where people know what the’other’think, what is expected and what roles each person is expected to have there is less anxiety. When one is sitting in a compartment in a train with family members or close friends one is not anxious because one knows what the other believes in and how will he or she react. This comfort and low level of anxiety increases if the compartment is shared with strangers from the same society but anxiety increases when a person is from a far and different culture. Just imagine if one would be sharing that same train compartment with an alien from another with planet or an unfamiliar mammal. This type of anxiety 'cultural' is what anomic suicide refers too. This anxiety is also very strongly related to psychosomatic illnesses such as hypertension and heart disease. in our current dramatically changing with the trans movement rapid and strong multiculturalusm without sufficient time of slow integration not knowing what many next door people believe in and how different are their core values and roles massively increase anomie and will lead to an increase in the rate of suicide. On the other hand all types of suicide coexist. Current feminists attribute the increase in the rates of suicide among men in proportion the how 'feminist' societies are to anomie. It is more likely that the role and status of men in the western world is changing. masculinity is attacked and the father role is not considered as important and even disposable. the subject as many others are complex to address all its contributing factors.
Men have always been viewed as disposable, we are taught to protect children, elderly and women at the cost of our well being if it comes to that. Men get sent to die in droves in wars, no one bats an eye because it’s men. Society emphasizes the deaths of “women and children” but not men because we are assumed as the fighters, men are supposed to be like “beasts” all this amounts to extreme pressures on how to act and it’s no surprise male suicide rates are so high.
great video! seems like i fit in the fourth category + a longing for eternal peace/rest (although if what any of the religions say is true, i don't think i'll get that 😅) combined with the curiosity about what happens after death- does our consciousness just cease to exist or do we get reincarnated or is there really a heaven and a hell
@billharmony8121 Look up quantum suicide
@billharmony8121i wish you a really nice day and as a muslim i believe paradise and hell exist,learn about islam,islam is really beauthifull
In life 'only death & taxes are certain' but most of us will suffer the pain of regret, grief when we loose a loved one, despair when our plans are thwarted, fear when we are struggling alone, and lonliness when we are misunderstood or ignored. It seems that there are endless trials and tribulations we must suffer on our path to the grave and none of us will leave this world unscathed. Having battled with my own demons for decades I now choose to live each day as an act of defiance at the seeming myriad injustices that manifest in this world; where evil appears always to prevail. Choose to live, challenge the darkness and despair both within yourself and without. Perhaps our only purpose is to make this choice: to live when all seems lost to us, to live in spite of the odds stacked against us, to live knowing that there may never be a happy ending, a revelation of meaning or peaceful resignation. Dieing is inevitable for everyone, consciously deciding to live when life does not seem worth living is a vital & truly rebellious act. Keep living ...
Some animals have ben observed commiting suicide. These include but are not limited to, dolphins, orcas, bears, chimps and parrots.
I believe the grizzly bear that attacked the couple in Alberta a couple of months ago was trying to commit suicide.
Great short video, please be consistent in uploading and hopefully be selective of topics like these
Thank you! Could you explain a little what you mean about «hopefully be selective of topics like these»?
@@CrossingThoughts be selective in topics like stick to Psychology or sociology, philosophy anything that works and have concepts like these you can make good content on them, there are books on which you can make lessons related videos as well, just don't go to super scientific or musical or industrial type content too quickly because sticking to selective content will be bringing more attention and also help people find the information/insight they need instead of random uploads or trying to cover too many topics per say 😅 I'm being a bit selfish because I want good content like this and its completely fine for you to rethink exactly what you want to work and upload more of 🙏🏼
Noted! I hold seminars in Sociology for a university in Scandinavia, so maybe I should just stick to Social Science (Sociology, psychology and Philosophy). Appreciate your tip, I need this kind of feedback from my subscribers (I assume you’ve subscribed)
@@CrossingThoughts yes, I'm currently in 5th semester of my B.A. in sociology and do occasionally check out sociologists and related things on Wikipedia this time RUclips snuck in this video, I really don't search up my education related topics here at all but you know Google :D hope to see more of these
Will do another sociology video this weekend (from the perspective of Durkheim)! Stay tuned! @@BKing007
When i used to have frequent suicidal thoughts I had some characteristics of all 4 types but the fatalistic one was definetly the prevalent
The third one most recently passed my mind. Watching a live performance of Polyphia, I somehow felt I realized we need guidance to enter into eternity. We need structure to uphold bliss as it were. The oneness and ecstacy of the crowd, versus the teamwork and planned out songs of the band, seemed to touch upon something divine, seemed to bring something divine down to earth. Are we but prebuscent gods, not able to fully live in, yet neither without our structure and society? Is life and the divine something we can not but reach together? Is the psyche only at its highest peak in the presence of what is outside?
Ive had many many friends growing up and worked my career with take their own life for one reason or another. Life is hard for all of us and as we age it becomes harder to find joy in life to carry on. In a world that seems to be against us at every turn, having the strength to keep moving is a blessing. Life is a gift from GOD and to give it back would be inconceivable to me.
I don't easily fit in these categories. Maybe I have spent so much time in a suicidal state that I have collapsed into a baser type. I've spent the past few months trying to get out of it, but I feel too far gone. I have little desire for socialization and when I do it does nothing but distract me temporarily. I used to look at nature with wonder, now I see cosmic horror. I have no interest in doing anything, either work or leisure, except maybe getting drunk, but that too is just a distraction. At this point I have come to hate humanity, nature, existence itself, I really don't see how to recover from that. When I was younger I thought everyone felt this way, only pretending not to because of social loyalties and genetic programming, but now I know the way I feel is as alien to most as their love of life is to me.
I really hope you find some light in the darkness, and that it will give you positive momentum resulting in reaching a higher level of being. Stay strong🙏🏻
@@CrossingThoughts Thanks. Unfortunately time is limited to acheive that, and most of my remaining options are desperate hail Mary's. Mental health help is slow and not overly helpful, and i have exhausted most standard options, my next attempted option is probably going to be taking very high doses of psychedelics, saved that option for near last cause if it goes sideways could very well mess me up, that just doesn't matter much now cause something has to happen.
@@TemporalAberrationMay I ask, which kind of psychodelics you're goung to take? I feel I'm standing at the same crossroad and I truly don't know how to bear it any longer.
@@dannyvalward1524 sorry this became an essay. I have a few options. The most profound effects I ever had was on acid, thats hard for me to find now though, beyond a couple tabs I know I can get. The first and only time I did it though was very high dose. Mushrooms are easy to find, and I have done them the most and got the most out of them, but thats on the number of times I've done them moreso than effect. For a long time the mushrooms really helped me, now the depression returns before the trip even ends though, but I haven't done anything over 7 grams before, nothing like the acid. Lastly there is DMT, which I have not done before but plan to soon. It seems like it might be helpful and it is the one I have the most hope for. With it I might be able to get better results with less potential for problems, but I won't know till I try. As far as others go I find salvia useless except for pure fun, I know little about the research chemicals and can't comment, but know alot of what is sold as "acid" nowadays are research chemicals and not classic acid so doses and effects can differ, and porentially be dangerous if you are unsure. I don't know your experience level with these, if low or none existent I would say go for mushrooms, and ideally have a sitter. If you have more experience I would say that they have different impacts and it is hard to tell even for myself, DMT by the sounds of it can be life changing, mushrooms allow you to play with perspective and potentially deal with trauma, acid moreso alters perception. I might try a combined acid mushroom trip, it is hard to give advice for others though. For me usually mushrooms put me into this headspace where I become very introspective and reality and mind kind of bend, useful for working with depression, for my friend it lets him watch the magical gnomes (or whatever) running around and doesn't understand why I (as someone who has never experienced anything like that) would even do it. Hard to recommend for a stranger because I don't know how you react or what you need out of them.
@@TemporalAberration To my knowledge psychedelics are quite hard to od off of. Although perhaps the use of a High dose may be able to help you mentally as i know that psychedelics allow you to see the world in a different way and could potentially heal your pain, although that is by no means a guarantee
The visuals are incredible!!
Thank you! If only I had figured out how to have better sound quality when I made the video😩..
@@CrossingThoughts 😃😃
I've been going through a lot cause of my narcissistic father,oher toxic members and bad health.. but still survived cause of altruism.
Now what I feel is that most suicides are egoistical, cause if you care about others and the future ones who'd need your help, you won't quit no matter what
I felt suicidal alot in life.
Neglect and hurt. Emotional pain. But I have alot TO LIVE FOR. and good to do
There is a alot of good in this world🙏🏻
Iv tried twice and often have "suicidal ideation" which is thinking about it and in some ways, a coping strategy.
My desire to end it all comes from finding life intolerable due to Complex PTSD. I'm 50 and it's all I've ever really known. The longer things continue, the more I struggle, it breaks you down. I'm not sure what box this fits in regarding the video.
This video is only the societal perspective, its a macro perspective. The one you are describing feels exclusively individual (psychological/biochemical). Stay strong brother, you’ve already shown that you are strong by enduring for so long🙏🏻
How did you try? Was it just a cry for help?
@@CrossingThoughts Yes, you're right, thanks for the kind words mate 👍
Mine was from cPTSD also. Thank you for your story It helps to know I am not alone.
@@betrippinn it's my pleasure, as I get older I care less about mentioning it, especially on here where we're pretty much anonymous. It can be triggering taking too much though.
You are so far from alone although it can often feel that way. I'm feeling alone tonight but your comment has made me feel better so thank you 😊 Take care 🙌
Very good Video and i scrolled through a lot of the comments and i think you wrote something caring and helpful to each one that was in strong pain. I just wanted to say thx for that, its really nice you did that and cared!
Thank you🙏🏻
What an excellent video.
I think that if we want to stop suicides, we have to start thinking about self-respect/self-worth in terms of how we value others. To quote David Choe talking about the suicide of his friend, Anthony Bourdain, “You’re an asshole. You murdered yourself, you killed someone- that person happened to be you but you couldn’t even show up for yourself.”
That is the dumbest shit I have ever heard this is why we do it your anger is uneeded your society built in selfish desires your normal is not ours we should be let free to build our own communities I believe seperation with like minded individuals is the key.
you made with this video am masterpiece, im definetly going to read the boom from durkheim, that topic is darkly interesting
Thank you✍🏼
Legit how I feel.acutal Freedom is very, very hard for me to find in the USA.God and my very brief moments of solitude is the only expectations. Death is a true consideration.but i choose to give it a Good fight
I'm sure many others feel the same, I know I have periods where I do... All we can do is to keep going, and get out of it much much stronger. Fight on, fellow warrior.
@@CrossingThoughts whether this sound better or worse.Im a hell of long way from actually doing it.I guess that to say.The fight will not be truly in vain (P.S this not a suicide note.I had gotten back to working out.Just Putting things in a little more perspective) 👍🔥
Fascinating,thank you for sharing.
Thank you for watching as well!
Despair and Heart break are 2 other leading factors. Also, there are Spiritual factors like demonic influence.