After 20+ years learning different martial arts styles, Western boxing is my general "go to" style. The footwork, fast hands, and conditioning are worth their weight in gold for any martial art practitioner.
Classic boxing, an excellent foundation for any areas of martial arts. IMO. In KALI, there are a number of fundamental principles. Understanding these principles allows you to significantly expand the possibilities of classical boxing techniques. Recall that the "peek-a-boo" style has a base of Italian knife fencing. ))))
*It’s always good to look into all styles of boxing. My main foundation is ‘western’ boxing but, I have added a lot of other styles techniques into my own style. I love using more ‘dirty’ boxing in my sparring session; blinding people with my gloves, pushing people off line while they strike, pulling down their guard, etc.*
I like to see someone that think like me because I practice western boxing but I added dirty techniques like punching the arms, shoulders, blind the eyes but I have the thinking that between all boxing styles the western boxing is the best and most effective.
Over 100yrs ago, Japanese judo was tested against other forms of more combat oriented jujitsu. The judokas beat all comers and ever since then became the main combatives art taught to Tokyo police. The other styles were deadly, but in training they had to avoid using certain techniques which had the potential to permanently injure or kill their training partners. The main advantage is that judokas can train like the fight. Judoka had a better base from which he could implement the more deadly techniques of the other styles if they wanted. Same principle can be considered for panantukan.
@@echofoxtrotwhiskey1595 So what? BJJ is basically the same concepts as Judo accomplished slightly differently because it was developed 90 years apart on another continent.
BJJ seems a lot like Judo to me. It's like they came to the same conclusions about 100 years apart on a different continent. But these guys that rant and rave about BJJ being the ultimate martial art remind me a lot of the ninja retards in the 80s.
Imo filipino boxing is the principles and concepts of their stick/blade art. Tactics and techniques come 2nd depending if you have a weapon or just using your fists. I think people really try to emphasis the sticks/blades as hand techniques and that's where they go wrong. Boxing has been proven itself time and time and the filipino eskrima principles and concept has to be in conjunction with western boxing but not the same techniques as the sticks to empty hand. Edit: imo filipino empty hands is more like grappling with strikes as supposed to striking with grappling. if that makes sense
I'm pretty sure Western boxing also emphasizes on using parries and avoiding direct contact with the punch as much as possible. Blocking is considered one of the lowest tier defensive move in boxing. Preferably they evade it.
@John doue Quebec Western boxing,old school bare knuckle boxing, 52 blocks aka jailhouse rock, dambe or African boxing, panantukan, Russian style boxing that's the ones I can think of
after the Filipino American war....a large emigration occurred....a lot of those immigrants were escrimadors/arnisadors who integrated their fighting style into boxing....ergo the similiarities of the circular movement and keeping the guards up.which were important to block and evade knife strikes.
I feel like we missed the Kali defense against hooks after stating that they don't do it like Western boxing. It's maybe literally the only block I'm interested in too because you always see the cliche boxing cover for hooks being taught.
I want to comment on boxing against multiple people on the street. I've seen boxers wreck multiple opponents. As a kid, in the military etc. None the less, great video. Thank you for this.
That first filipino boxing move shown is almost similar how Pacquiao lands his left overhand on Broner in round 10( the one where Broner almost went down)
Excellent, accurate and very well articulated instructional video, gents. Really enjoyed it and will be checking out your other video offerings. Thank you🙏🏻
I feel a combination of Kali, boxing, and BJJ (not a sport focus) to end up a near complete art. You get striking, grappling, submissions, destructions, weapons, levels of force etc
Precisely the reason I've started a combination of combat submission wrestling and panantukan boxing, along with my already scheduled weight lifting and cardio classes
Phillipino dirty boxing i believe uses lots of kali movements. Both are cool but I prefer western boxing but adding a bit of Phillipino boxing that I know I can pull off. Lots of the Phillipino boxing for me would be hard to pull off on a skilled fast boxer. However its good to smash up the average Joe in the streets lol.
Usually karit or boxing is position+ defense then defense+ attack then attack+killing ....this is usually a difference between the submission and or step by step western ...it's unusual tecnic of older generation because they don't explain...
😆 Comeon there have been Western Boxers that used the Southpaw stance even before the Filipinos got into western boxing.And the Hammer fist and back fist was a part of ollld 1700's style Western Boxing
Pacman uses a lot of these moves, constant parrying, elbow defense, hammer fist. I hope kali practitioners uses a lot of sparring to utiles their move in an actual combat.
Hmmm!!! Loving this Filipino Boxing. I definitely want to mix both forms of boxing. More power, opponent goes down and no doubt will stay down. Now how do we learn these techniques during the time of Covid-19? Can a woman also apply these same techniques?
Sandra Perales We have a three month beginner online program available. Covers fundamentals of Stickfighting as well as it’s application to Filipino Boxing. Month 3 has a good amount of Filipino Boxing. Shoot us an email at bayaniwarrior@gmail.com for more info.
I know this is an old video, so I realize there's a big chance I won't get an answer, but you said something that made me a little confused: What is the difference between panantukan and Filipino boxing? I've always assumed that the two are interchangable terms for the same thing. My Guro uses the terms that way (well, he tends to translate it as "Filipino *dirty* boxing :-p ), and our panantukan curriculum is basically a variation of boxing, very reminiscent of how you describe Filipino boxing in this video.
panantukan is all bareknuckle kickboxing without rules it's not a martial art or art at all really its a system of how to break someone in all ways possible. suntukan is the boxing element of panantukan, utilizing grappling to set up limb destructions. sidefists are also promoted like in the video. suntukan also promotes using the 'siko' technique of elbowing the opponents fist to break their hand. the kicking element is sikiran which deals in the limb destructions with the legs. smashing in the knees and rendering them broken and unusable. dumog is the wrestling element focused on standing wrestling, not going to the ground with an opponent in the assumption of multiple opponents. quickly taking them down and disabling them through stomping or limb destructions. kinamutay focuses on eye gouging, biting, throat strikes, strikes to the balls, strikes to the spine, etc. all of these together were seperate term till i think the 1930s?? somewhere around there but panantukan is the more filipino-american term for the entire system of filipino martial arts. another thing, in FMA they also step on your foot as well to set up things
will training panantukan and western boxing hinder your boxing skills later? iam worrying that i will unlearn all the boxing stuff since ive learned panantukan
Is western boxing fluenced by Filipino boxing? Boxing is a very old sport in Western culture. There are records of ancient Sumerians boxing. Artwork from Minoan Greece of around 3500 years ago shows the first use of boxing gloves. Greeks boxed in the ancient Olympics and Romans boxed in the gladitorial arena, often to the death. Western boxing got a modern revival in the 1700s, but the western art of fighting with fists influenced by ancient sports never entirely disappeared. So overall, Western boxing has an origin completely separate from Filipino boxing. That doesn't mean Filipino boxing could not have had an influence on the West. But the influence did not shape the fundamental nature of the sport. Filipino boxing, aka Suntukan is very different. It evolved from Kali, and it's basically the unarmed version of it - although it's been expanded to include weapons, mainly short blades. It includes knees, elbows, and kicks and concentrates on "dirty" techniques and strategies; like aiming for the groin, eyes, and other vulnerable parts of the body. It's actually closer to Muay Boran, than Western boxing. Now to directly answer your question, yes, some techniques like the bolo punch, and some footwork have been credited to Filipino boxers Ceferino Garcia, and "Flash" Elorde. They both trained in Eskrima, which implemented Suntukan. Elorde's footwork is the most obvious one, as you've probably seen Ali use it. Although I've heard of an older boxer who used it, with supposedly no Filipino influence. Can't remember his name though. The bolo punch was mainly used by Sugar Ray Leonard, usually after he would rotate his hand as a decoy - since even for someone with incredible speed like him, it's a slower punch. It's basically a modified rising hook. Ibeabuchi also used it to drop Byrd (01:57): ruclips.net/video/WO4_hXRsqc8/видео.html&feature=emb_title I personally believe Filipino influence is exaggerated. Sure, a lot of fighters have imitated Elorde's foot work and thrown bolos, but an extremely small amount are known for them. I think the light footwork is the most effective thing to come from it though.
Modern western boxing is an entirely different creature than it was up to the 1920/30's. Up until that era there was a lot of grappling, trapping, and throws involved. Old school boxing is more similar to Filipino Boxing than you realize.
I'm the opposite. I don't care about weapons and I want to focus on hand techniques and power generation. I am an American cop in 2022 and I don't really care how to use a machete, kris, or baton. If I use a baton at work like they teach in kali and escrima I'll be in the news and unemployed. What we can do is limited to what they've approved and teach us. I'm also a Native American and I understand and respect the heck out of cultural preservation but for my purposes I just wanna practice scrapping and making it home after a shift.
Understood and we respect that. We know a number of LEOs who are actively training in FMA. If you’d like to seek some true modern-day application of empty hand, blade, and pistol I’d suggest Bill Rapier of AMTAC Shooting. David Acosta Jr. is active on Instagram and has a ton of AMTAC material that he demonstrates.
I'm the same mate except I live in the UK. I've done JJJ in the past, I like to lift and keep fit and I've also just started a martial arts gym (separate from where I lift) and partially the reason is due to work. Our hand to hand training is so limited it's virtually useless. There's been several occasions where had I not been there the females (as well as weaker males) would have been absolutely wrecked (and that's by average Joe's). The sheer lack of self awareness when it comes to fighting / restraining capabilities is insane. Hence why I've started combat submission wrestling and Panantukan Boxing to try and increase my fighting IQ. Stay safe across the pond my man
In real fight the pinoy martial art will get the face exposed for punch, boxing have good defence and sharp punches, pinoy martial arts is good with stcks or knifes for self defence .
After 20+ years learning different martial arts styles, Western boxing is my general "go to" style. The footwork, fast hands, and conditioning are worth their weight in gold for any martial art practitioner.
For you to say that after 2 decades in marital arts...I’m taking my ass to a boxing gym ASAP lol
Yes Sir.😀😀😀
absolutely!!
Classic boxing, an excellent foundation for any areas of martial arts. IMO. In KALI, there are a number of fundamental principles. Understanding these principles allows you to significantly expand the possibilities of classical boxing techniques. Recall that the "peek-a-boo" style has a base of Italian knife fencing. ))))
Anderson Silva says he used Filipino boxing in his fight with Michael bisping
And he lost to Bisping 😆😆😆😆
*It’s always good to look into all styles of boxing. My main foundation is ‘western’ boxing but, I have added a lot of other styles techniques into my own style. I love using more ‘dirty’ boxing in my sparring session; blinding people with my gloves, pushing people off line while they strike, pulling down their guard, etc.*
I like to see someone that think like me because I practice western boxing but I added dirty techniques like punching the arms, shoulders, blind the eyes but I have the thinking that between all boxing styles the western boxing is the best and most effective.
i just don't understand..Why would it considered "dirty"?..it's still use hand not hidden weapon 🤨
Over 100yrs ago, Japanese judo was tested against other forms of more combat oriented jujitsu.
The judokas beat all comers and ever since then became the main combatives art taught to Tokyo police. The other styles were deadly, but in training they had to avoid using certain techniques which had the potential to permanently injure or kill their training partners.
The main advantage is that judokas can train like the fight. Judoka had a better base from which he could implement the more deadly techniques of the other styles if they wanted. Same principle can be considered for panantukan.
Yeah but everyone that founded Judo already had a strong base of Japanese Jiu Jitsu
So true...100%
@@echofoxtrotwhiskey1595 So what? BJJ is basically the same concepts as Judo accomplished slightly differently because it was developed 90 years apart on another continent.
BJJ seems a lot like Judo to me. It's like they came to the same conclusions about 100 years apart on a different continent. But these guys that rant and rave about BJJ being the ultimate martial art remind me a lot of the ninja retards in the 80s.
@@MM-Red meh, swimming without water.
I like both styles of boxing as I have arthritis in both hips thanks for the vid.
can someone with physical disabilities such as lower back problems or knees do boxing-escrima?
I train both styles, and cannot emphasize enough just how much they compliment one another...
Yes kali empty hand bring me to western boxing. Offense is the best deffense thats why western boxing.
Same here. I was watching some Kali techniques and then ended up here. Love it!!!
Western boxing had the fastest punches
Half black n filipino here great vid bro
My son is half white/half Filipino, I wish for him to learn Filipino martial arts. He's 2 and a half-hope it's not too late for him hahaha
Imo filipino boxing is the principles and concepts of their stick/blade art. Tactics and techniques come 2nd depending if you have a weapon or just using your fists. I think people really try to emphasis the sticks/blades as hand techniques and that's where they go wrong. Boxing has been proven itself time and time and the filipino eskrima principles and concept has to be in conjunction with western boxing but not the same techniques as the sticks to empty hand. Edit: imo filipino empty hands is more like grappling with strikes as supposed to striking with grappling. if that makes sense
Do you have a western boxing vs filipino boxing demonstration sparring? I wanna see this live.
Fun fact: Muhammad Ali even adopted the footwork of Tatang Elorde a escrima and boxer(panantukan.) 0master.
As a Filipino myself, I fuckin love Filipino Martial Arts for the focus on parry, counter, and attack.
Defense is your opponent's problem.
I'm pretty sure Western boxing also emphasizes on using parries and avoiding direct contact with the punch as much as possible. Blocking is considered one of the lowest tier defensive move in boxing. Preferably they evade it.
Great share here. I've been training in Combat Self-Defence for over 30 years Western Style Boxing helps a lot. Keep up the great work.
Thanks for sharing. I see why you mentioned the boxing aspect of your curriculum.
Boxing and its variants are of my favorite martial arts.
@John doue Quebec Western boxing,old school bare knuckle boxing, 52 blocks aka jailhouse rock, dambe or African boxing, panantukan, Russian style boxing that's the ones I can think of
Great video guys! I would also add wrestling to boxing as a bridge to other martial arts.
Excellent explanation guys. I subscribed to your channel because of this video.
after the Filipino American war....a large emigration occurred....a lot of those immigrants were escrimadors/arnisadors who integrated their fighting style into boxing....ergo the similiarities of the circular movement and keeping the guards up.which were important to block and evade knife strikes.
so you are saying that panantukan gave birth to modern western boxing? do you have official evidence of that?
I feel like we missed the Kali defense against hooks after stating that they don't do it like Western boxing. It's maybe literally the only block I'm interested in too because you always see the cliche boxing cover for hooks being taught.
Whats cool is that its not explicitly banned in Muay Thai or Lethwei or Sanda
I want to comment on boxing against multiple people on the street. I've seen boxers wreck multiple opponents. As a kid, in the military etc. None the less, great video. Thank you for this.
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That first filipino boxing move shown is almost similar how Pacquiao lands his left overhand on Broner in round 10( the one where Broner almost went down)
and follow up with a counter attack with the same right hand he used to parry.
Yes ! Boxing is that bridge that can be used in all martial arts.
Excellent, accurate and very well articulated instructional video, gents. Really enjoyed it and will be checking out your other video offerings. Thank you🙏🏻
I feel a combination of Kali, boxing, and BJJ (not a sport focus) to end up a near complete art. You get striking, grappling, submissions, destructions, weapons, levels of force etc
Basically what we practice 🙂
Precisely the reason I've started a combination of combat submission wrestling and panantukan boxing, along with my already scheduled weight lifting and cardio classes
Phillipino dirty boxing i believe uses lots of kali movements. Both are cool but I prefer western boxing but adding a bit of Phillipino boxing that I know I can pull off. Lots of the Phillipino boxing for me would be hard to pull off on a skilled fast boxer. However its good to smash up the average Joe in the streets lol.
And I just realized they incorporate the Kali style in the boxing comparison
Usually karit or boxing is position+ defense then defense+ attack then attack+killing ....this is usually a difference between the submission and or step by step western ...it's unusual tecnic of older generation because they don't explain...
I like the way you check punches with hammer fists. Makes sense to me
Thanks!
😆 Comeon there have been Western Boxers that used the Southpaw stance even before the Filipinos got into western boxing.And the Hammer fist and back fist was a part of ollld 1700's style Western Boxing
Pacman uses a lot of these moves, constant parrying, elbow defense, hammer fist. I hope kali practitioners uses a lot of sparring to utiles their move in an actual combat.
Fun fact: Flash Elorde was a full time Kali Practitioner before he became a boxer
Interessante, muito bom!
Out of curiosity:
Could you please explain the Swedish connection?
Exactly bro. I also have the same question.....and why there is no flag of Phillipines?
The school has a student from Sweden
It has no flag from the Philippines from this angle of the video.The flag is tattooed in the ass of the Pinoy!!
Titash Baidya the filipino flag is very visible.
Bruce Lee believed in a similar striking style I think.... , using the power hand in front.
Ye I think he did
Hmmm!!! Loving this Filipino Boxing. I definitely want to mix both forms of boxing. More power, opponent goes down and no doubt will stay down. Now how do we learn these techniques during the time of Covid-19? Can a woman also apply these same techniques?
Sandra Perales We have a three month beginner online program available. Covers fundamentals of Stickfighting as well as it’s application to Filipino Boxing. Month 3 has a good amount of Filipino Boxing. Shoot us an email at bayaniwarrior@gmail.com for more info.
I know this is an old video, so I realize there's a big chance I won't get an answer, but you said something that made me a little confused: What is the difference between panantukan and Filipino boxing? I've always assumed that the two are interchangable terms for the same thing. My Guro uses the terms that way (well, he tends to translate it as "Filipino *dirty* boxing :-p ), and our panantukan curriculum is basically a variation of boxing, very reminiscent of how you describe Filipino boxing in this video.
panantukan is all bareknuckle kickboxing without rules it's not a martial art or art at all really its a system of how to break someone in all ways possible. suntukan is the boxing element of panantukan, utilizing grappling to set up limb destructions. sidefists are also promoted like in the video. suntukan also promotes using the 'siko' technique of elbowing the opponents fist to break their hand. the kicking element is sikiran which deals in the limb destructions with the legs. smashing in the knees and rendering them broken and unusable. dumog is the wrestling element focused on standing wrestling, not going to the ground with an opponent in the assumption of multiple opponents. quickly taking them down and disabling them through stomping or limb destructions. kinamutay focuses on eye gouging, biting, throat strikes, strikes to the balls, strikes to the spine, etc. all of these together were seperate term till i think the 1930s?? somewhere around there but panantukan is the more filipino-american term for the entire system of filipino martial arts.
another thing, in FMA they also step on your foot as well to set up things
Great video fam!!! 👍👍👍💯💯💯 New Subber!!!
will training panantukan and western boxing hinder your boxing skills later? iam worrying that i will unlearn all the boxing stuff since ive learned panantukan
This is great if u like usa boxing also come find us on fighting friends boxing.
Watch Mayweather stance.,is like position of double baston.,
man karate and western boxing u gonna need it in FMA it is for my students a requirement or they get the slippers
Train FMA period!! Your hands will thank you!!
Watching after seeing anderson Silva use of this but what problems do you think you'll encounter in mma with this ?
dont you know most of filipino warriors in mma using fma?
@@felixvillarantevillarante7983 like wushu or is that not fma? ive only seen the people from team lakay
@@huntermonzon5231 that"s not fma..that's a chinese martial arts
@@felixvillarantevillarante7983 yea. . . . i started searching and i found kali but thats it
Panantukan looks a bit like 52 blocks
Backhands and hammerfists would completely change western boxing.
Is western boxing fluenced by Filipino boxing?
Boxing is a very old sport in Western culture. There are records of ancient Sumerians boxing. Artwork from Minoan Greece of around 3500 years ago shows the first use of boxing gloves. Greeks boxed in the ancient Olympics and Romans boxed in the gladitorial arena, often to the death.
Western boxing got a modern revival in the 1700s, but the western art of fighting with fists influenced by ancient sports never entirely disappeared. So overall, Western boxing has an origin completely separate from Filipino boxing. That doesn't mean Filipino boxing could not have had an influence on the West. But the influence did not shape the fundamental nature of the sport.
Filipino boxing, aka Suntukan is very different. It evolved from Kali, and it's basically the unarmed version of it - although it's been expanded to include weapons, mainly short blades. It includes knees, elbows, and kicks and concentrates on "dirty" techniques and strategies; like aiming for the groin, eyes, and other vulnerable parts of the body. It's actually closer to Muay Boran, than Western boxing.
Now to directly answer your question, yes, some techniques like the bolo punch, and some footwork have been credited to Filipino boxers Ceferino Garcia, and "Flash" Elorde. They both trained in Eskrima, which implemented Suntukan. Elorde's footwork is the most obvious one, as you've probably seen Ali use it.
Although I've heard of an older boxer who used it, with supposedly no Filipino influence. Can't remember his name though.
The bolo punch was mainly used by Sugar Ray Leonard, usually after he would rotate his hand as a decoy - since even for someone with incredible speed like him, it's a slower punch. It's basically a modified rising hook.
Ibeabuchi also used it to drop Byrd (01:57): ruclips.net/video/WO4_hXRsqc8/видео.html&feature=emb_title
I personally believe Filipino influence is exaggerated. Sure, a lot of fighters have imitated Elorde's foot work and thrown bolos, but an extremely small amount are known for them. I think the light footwork is the most effective thing to come from it though.
Modern western boxing is an entirely different creature than it was up to the 1920/30's. Up until that era there was a lot of grappling, trapping, and throws involved. Old school boxing is more similar to Filipino Boxing than you realize.
I'm the opposite. I don't care about weapons and I want to focus on hand techniques and power generation. I am an American cop in 2022 and I don't really care how to use a machete, kris, or baton. If I use a baton at work like they teach in kali and escrima I'll be in the news and unemployed. What we can do is limited to what they've approved and teach us. I'm also a Native American and I understand and respect the heck out of cultural preservation but for my purposes I just wanna practice scrapping and making it home after a shift.
Understood and we respect that.
We know a number of LEOs who are actively training in FMA.
If you’d like to seek some true modern-day application of empty hand, blade, and pistol I’d suggest Bill Rapier of AMTAC Shooting.
David Acosta Jr. is active on Instagram and has a ton of AMTAC material that he demonstrates.
I'm the same mate except I live in the UK. I've done JJJ in the past, I like to lift and keep fit and I've also just started a martial arts gym (separate from where I lift) and partially the reason is due to work. Our hand to hand training is so limited it's virtually useless. There's been several occasions where had I not been there the females (as well as weaker males) would have been absolutely wrecked (and that's by average Joe's). The sheer lack of self awareness when it comes to fighting / restraining capabilities is insane. Hence why I've started combat submission wrestling and Panantukan Boxing to try and increase my fighting IQ. Stay safe across the pond my man
If your smart how to trow a punch that's boxing😁
I saw a lot of Pacquiao move here.
In real fight the pinoy martial art will get the face exposed for punch, boxing have good defence and sharp punches, pinoy martial arts is good with stcks or knifes for self defence .
Why the Swedish flag if I may ask?
Pacquiao uses this panantukan technique on keith thurman and thats very effective lol
Yes i see that he uses this technique
I noticed that too when he blocked KT's punches.
Yei see that technique
which technique it was, what is the name of the technique?
Wonder y there arent more Fillipino fighters in Lethwei could be cool
not popular yet in Philippines
I thing it will fit well because you can headbutt in lethwei...
Where is the link in the description.
Whats with the sunglasses on ya head
Can you use FMA in UFC?
Nope bcoz some moves are illegal to use it can cause serious damage
@@arnoldsintos9273 You can use FMA, just specific moves are illegal like groin kicks, small joint manipulation, 12 to 6 elbow, biting, etc.
IMB
Yo can you train me
Jann Ray Colina Shoot us an e-mail at bayaniwarrior@gmail.com and we can get you started.
Balintiwak Escrima teach western boxing for their empty hands method.
On whose system? I thought most of Balintawak practitioners learn Kuntaw for empty hands?
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