It's amazing what a nice set of wheels, some tint and a slight drop will do for a car. Most people who "customize" their cars should stop there. Beyond that, you are on the expressway to KlownKar town.
I 3d printed my own for my P85D and have have been running them the last 70K miles. Obviously you need to align the car as lowering will increase negative camber and toe. You'll probably need adjustable upper arms. That said, the plaid control arms are no longer fastened to the cradle with tabs but rather bolted laterally into the cradle which means that reducing negative camber should be as simple as a properly designed shim. Be warned, if you bring your Plaid to Tesla for any suspension related work which includes replacing the main battery, they will do a ride height calibration and if you have the lowering links on, your car will now rise to stock height WITH the lowering links. Conversely, with Toolbox, if you can get your hands on a copy, you can do the ride height calibration yourself and LIE about the height to lower the car WITH the stock links. The best reason to lower the car an inch is to save your cv/half shafts from bending the ball channels since the stock height exceeds the max angle design limits of that joint which is why so many have acceleration vibration issues from those shafts. It's the reason I lowered mine. After 4 sets of half shaft replacements, the problem never returned after I lowered it an inch.
Lookin good! I lowered my Plaid as well and have the same wheels but in 21”. You’re correct, DSM and cheetuh stance work, the dash just never says “ready to launch”, but you’re still getting all the same effects
It gives you too much negative camber, causing the inside of the tires to wear. You'll probably need to get an alignment after lowering the car to fix it. Some additional parts may be required to get the camber back into spec while it is lowered.
@@jonathanviventi1380 unfortunately, the rears, that already suffer from transient high negative camber, don’t have any camber adjustment. My 16 S was always in low mode, but chewed through tires so fast, I now ride in normal mode. Bad suspension design for lowered car. Maybe there are adjustable components available.
I put a version of these on my 2014 MS P85D. The front wheels didn’t need to come off in that model. I know the Plaid has a different set up. But my point is, super easy to install and worth every penny.
@@thomaskrutulis2289 maybe. Maybe not. There is a guy with a gutted plaid. I think it weighed in at 4400 vs 4900 before getting it and he wasn't much quicker or faster at all. Not as much as I expected for removing 500+ lbs. I think he picked up like 0.1 in the quarter
The right stance is so important and this thing has perfect stance now. Teslas from the factory look a bit dorky but it's amazing what a few subtle improvements do to turn them into good looking cars.
very cool man. I must admit I thought this video was going to suck. but electric is the future and I'm here to learn. this reminds me of being a ford master tech back in 1996-1998 at the ford Lincoln mercury dealership in PA. the Lincolns had air suspension they would raise or lower based of load( self leveling). that sensor arm adjuster and sensor is basically the same as what they used. however, however, when the air compressor went bad the system did not work or took forever to fill the air bags. then the over time the air bags would leak, YIKES !!!! back then at the dealership they the parts were costly $$$$$. and YES, TESLA SUPERFANS THROW ROCK AT ME ,I know I know its a tesla they never break, they don't need any maintenance ever. but yeah when the customers came into the dealership for service we use to take soapy water and spray around the all of the air suspension component to test for leaks, the lines and the bags. so ,so ,so what I'm just some old bozo grease monkey , anyways that's my 2 cents 1+1=2. great video man liked and subbed...
1. Love this channel 2. That is a clever way to lower a car (although crazy overpriced) 3. Lowering cars is generally a terrible idea without altering the geometry That includes this one too.
@@DragTimes They are cleverly designed, but yeah- it's 4 links with some markings on them. I guess given the market (very expensive , low volume car) they can get away with it so more power to them.
Does the lighter wheels and drop in height help with drag racing or is the software holding it back? i saw chet drop 700lbs to 4100lbs and his Plaid still only ran a 9.1
lighter wheels can only help with less rotating inertia, although you are right as long as the power is traction limited, it won't change anything. the only hard limit in the software is the speed. plaid with wiegt réduction run as low as 8.94
They are coming out with a camber adjustment kit soon. Waiting for the pre order. N2itive states should be out by June but pre order should be out soon
Should’ve known this was gonna be this easy. Most RUclipsrs have limited mechanical skills, (save Cleetus, Tavarish and a couple others), so this vid of lowering this Tesla and how simple it was shouldn’t be surprising, at all
Dragtimes Great Video I think it's awesome that you got some intuitive Suspension links for your Tesla Model S Plaid and I can't wait to see more racing content
Inexpensive? 400$ for some metal parts that are probably made in china and don't even need to be out of metal is "inexpensive" ? Man.... Something like 80$ would still be expensive for these 4 little pieces. You can get a really good flashlight with metal housing and a really bright LED for under 5$ from aliexpress that is also made in china. That is way more engeneering, same quality and tech for only 5 bucks.
@@recca7 Doesn't matter if it is an American shop. Everyone can produce in china. But that is not the point. The point is that it is way too expensive for what it is. This thing is from factory out of plastic, because it is only an indicator for the sensor, where the car is right now. So it is definitely overengeneered. Adjustable is of course good. But you can also make a pack of 20 plastic pieces with different lengths (5 different with 4 of the same lengths) and sell the pack for 30$. Becuase you will only set it once anyway. But you could also sell this metal kit for 50$ and still make big profit.
@DragTimes do you have enough miles on the Plaid to tell if it has the inner tire wear issue that the older Model S and X have? I'm considering purchasing the N2itive camber kit when I can confirm that it will eliminate the inner tire wear issue after a new set of tires wears down.
I want these in my Taycan but will they mess with the automatic air suspension? When I put it in sport mode it lowers. Can I install these without rubbing.
So doing the mod is really tricking the position sensor positioning. I wonder if that's why it didn't go any Cheetah mode because you're hitting bump stop or something and the position sensor never gets to target position?
Brooks, would you consider color matching your door handles as well as your side marker/cameras? The stock setup almost looks like an add on. Your S looks Great!
Thanks my friend for your videos.. It's perfect 👍👍👍 and I don't know what many people say about Tesla s plaid and all Tesla models but I love Tesla .. S plaid is most beautiful than taycan and e tron.. Ok and taycan turbo s is amazing car but Tesla is 🔥🔥🔥🔥🚀🚀🚀🚀🚀
since you got the smaller diameter wheels did your range increase ? there is supposed to be a 48 mile difference in range from the 19" to the 21", was there a setting for the 20's with better range than the 21's?
Good afternoon !!! I would like to know where I can find a kit like this for my Plaid? I participate in launch tests but it takes a long time for the dragstrip mode to lower the car and get ready… Here, reaction time counts!! could you help me to improve this time of preparation for the launch ? thank you for your attention.
Just because you can’t afford a huracan evo doesn’t mean it’s overpriced the tesla is overpriced since it gets beaten by cars around the track for half or a quarter of the price so
@@ericship8383 track track track.....how many times in every day driving do you take your hurracan to the "track"? It IS over priced when a guy and his wife and 2 kids in the back seats along with groceries in the trunk embarrasses you on every day streets and real world daily usage at hundreds of thousands of dollars less. Simple math right there.
@@hengloose sorry mate, but I have never seen one (Y or 3) on the road or at meets with an aftermarket air suspension. NOT saying they don't exist, but have not seen one and there's a shit ton of 3 and Y around here.
Don’t own a Tesla. When you launch in Cheetah does the nose stay down the entire run or revert to original setting? It looks like you would have some fender interference if you turned the wheel in Cheetah.
@@DragTimes strange that some cars have it and some don't. My vibrates a lot between 40 and 50 mph. They replaced the front half shafts and that solved the problem for a day or two and then it came right back.
It's amazing what a nice set of wheels, some tint and a slight drop will do for a car. Most people who "customize" their cars should stop there. Beyond that, you are on the expressway to KlownKar town.
Couldn’t agree more!
Absolutely agree. Subtly keeps it tasteful.
It's all about personal preference.
To each their own right 🤡🤡
Most people should worry about there own cars. We would be better off
I 3d printed my own for my P85D and have have been running them the last 70K miles. Obviously you need to align the car as lowering will increase negative camber and toe. You'll probably need adjustable upper arms. That said, the plaid control arms are no longer fastened to the cradle with tabs but rather bolted laterally into the cradle which means that reducing negative camber should be as simple as a properly designed shim.
Be warned, if you bring your Plaid to Tesla for any suspension related work which includes replacing the main battery, they will do a ride height calibration and if you have the lowering links on, your car will now rise to stock height WITH the lowering links.
Conversely, with Toolbox, if you can get your hands on a copy, you can do the ride height calibration yourself and LIE about the height to lower the car WITH the stock links.
The best reason to lower the car an inch is to save your cv/half shafts from bending the ball channels since the stock height exceeds the max angle design limits of that joint which is why so many have acceleration vibration issues from those shafts. It's the reason I lowered mine. After 4 sets of half shaft replacements, the problem never returned after I lowered it an inch.
damn this is actually very interesting. I wonder if other plaid owners could touch on this subject.
Now we need to talk about getting a hold of the Toolbox software... :-)
4 sets of half shafts? My god, how much did that cost? With Tesla astronomical repair pricing, that had to be ridiculous
@@drrightwing4435 Warranty although the few I've seen pay for it out of warranty were in the $2K range a pair installed.
Tesla says then can't do alignment because of those links..
I still haven’t recovered from your Tesla vs Porsche 911 turbo drag race. When the Tesla beat the turbo, I was in shock.
wait till you see it race my Huracan....
Love it!! The Plaid’s all silent cash, no noisy flash!!
Lookin good! I lowered my Plaid as well and have the same wheels but in 21”.
You’re correct, DSM and cheetuh stance work, the dash just never says “ready to launch”, but you’re still getting all the same effects
Just like that. That Red Plaid looks gorgeous and pops. Very nice ride.
Be interesting to see how it effects your suspension geometry?
Have you measured camber after the change?
It gives you too much negative camber, causing the inside of the tires to wear. You'll probably need to get an alignment after lowering the car to fix it. Some additional parts may be required to get the camber back into spec while it is lowered.
@@jonathanviventi1380 unfortunately, the rears, that already suffer from transient high negative camber, don’t have any camber adjustment. My 16 S was always in low mode, but chewed through tires so fast, I now ride in normal mode. Bad suspension design for lowered car. Maybe there are adjustable components available.
@@racingmafia1 my 2016 s p90DL didn't wear tires unevenly, but I always drove in normal mode.
@@jonathanviventi1380 I'm fairly sure the new model s has new/different suspension all round, including more adjustability.
Bro, I'm not much into EV's but that looks frigging dope. 👏
Until you drive a performance model Tesla 😳
@@TheFrenchMC Not this kind of a deal. I was more impressed with the CT5V BW manual
@@TheFrenchMC Or any EV, a 300hp EV feels and accelerates much faster than a the same hp ice vehicle! 🤷🏽♂️
@@dennissmith7214 that doesnt mean its a better, or more fun of a car
@@dennissmith7214 so true, i've experienced this many times
I put a version of these on my 2014 MS P85D. The front wheels didn’t need to come off in that model. I know the Plaid has a different set up. But my point is, super easy to install and worth every penny.
Looks great, any time difference in the quarter mile ?
None
Probably get your answer in his next video ..
@@sakimano lowering always helps.m3ps have seen 2-5 tenths in the quarter depending on setup and what you are running for suspension.
12 lbs per wheel for an awd car is significant. If it hooks it’ll be quicker for sure
@@thomaskrutulis2289 maybe. Maybe not. There is a guy with a gutted plaid. I think it weighed in at 4400 vs 4900 before getting it and he wasn't much quicker or faster at all. Not as much as I expected for removing 500+ lbs. I think he picked up like 0.1 in the quarter
Upgrade the control arms so that you can adjust the camber settings. To prevent inner tire ware looks great
Why didn’t you use a tape measure to show the actual drop?
The right stance is so important and this thing has perfect stance now. Teslas from the factory look a bit dorky but it's amazing what a few subtle improvements do to turn them into good looking cars.
very cool man. I must admit I thought this video was going to suck. but electric is the future and I'm here to learn. this reminds me of being a ford master tech back in 1996-1998 at the ford Lincoln mercury dealership in PA. the Lincolns had air suspension they would raise or lower based of load( self leveling). that sensor arm adjuster and sensor is basically the same as what they used. however, however, when the air compressor went bad the system did not work or took forever to fill the air bags. then the over time the air bags would leak, YIKES !!!! back then at the dealership they the parts were costly $$$$$. and YES, TESLA SUPERFANS THROW ROCK AT ME ,I know I know its a tesla they never break, they don't need any maintenance ever. but yeah when the customers came into the dealership for service we use to take soapy water and spray around the all of the air suspension component to test for leaks, the lines and the bags. so ,so ,so what I'm just some old bozo grease monkey , anyways that's my 2 cents 1+1=2. great video man liked and subbed...
Perfect ride height imo...
1. Love this channel
2. That is a clever way to lower a car (although crazy overpriced)
3. Lowering cars is generally a terrible idea without altering the geometry That includes this one too.
$350 is over priced?
@@DragTimes They are cleverly designed, but yeah- it's 4 links with some markings on them. I guess given the market (very expensive , low volume car) they can get away with it so more power to them.
Whole car looks awesome… great wheel/drop set up!
Does the lighter wheels and drop in height help with drag racing or is the software holding it back? i saw chet drop 700lbs to 4100lbs and his Plaid still only ran a 9.1
he also drove his car through a lake.. :)
@@DragTimes 😂😂😂😂
@@DragTimes and didn't have updates yet for track mode etc
And Chet is always carrying a few too many donuts / cheeseburgers. Would have been cheaper for him to lose weight.
lighter wheels can only help with less rotating inertia, although you are right as long as the power is traction limited, it won't change anything. the only hard limit in the software is the speed. plaid with wiegt réduction run as low as 8.94
Video a little underexposed, couldn’t really see the drop too good. But from what I can tell, she’s sitting pretty 😍
How low?
Brooks: yes
Looks great. I've got signature rims on my Y and they are awesome!!
They are coming out with a camber adjustment kit soon. Waiting for the pre order. N2itive states should be out by June but pre order should be out soon
Need to see if any change happens in quarter mile times..
thanks!! where did u get ya rear spoiler?
That looks amazing. Only thing I would do is powdercoat the rims.
Mannnn your Plaid is too clean 🧼
That looks amazing, Lowerd and a nice set of wheels does the job
Wow that's a dramatic change for such low cost and easy install. I should see if they have that for the P3D.
P3d doesn't have air suspension. This has been around for the model s for years
Looks great! Did I see another Tesla in your driveway? I thought your only Tesla left was the Plaid?
I have a Model Y Performance as well...
That’s pretty cool. Very minor, but curious to know aero efficiency gain for range and even trap speed.
Did you actually lose trap speed and ET with that wheel/tire combo? Has it picked back up to, or over, factory levels?
Does it still launch as good? I would figure lowering would negatively impact weight transfer.
Also want to know how it affects grip eg more neg camber.
Tesla definitely got this design from the W211 chassis E55/63 AMG. My AMG fellas know about lowering links.
Should’ve known this was gonna be this easy. Most RUclipsrs have limited mechanical skills, (save Cleetus, Tavarish and a couple others), so this vid of lowering this Tesla and how simple it was shouldn’t be surprising, at all
Did you notice a ride quality difference?
Dragtimes Great Video I think it's awesome that you got some intuitive Suspension links for your Tesla Model S Plaid and I can't wait to see more racing content
Love the video as always! Will you be at tx2k this year??
looks ridiculously cool
Looks sharp Brooks!!
quick inexpensive solution to make your car look even more aesthetically pleasing...awesome bit of kit. Wish it was that easy on all cars
I agree, most cars look better lowered non dedicated sedans. Ive done so on most of mine, camries and civics etc. Helps with driving characteristics
Inexpensive?
400$ for some metal parts that are probably made in china and don't even need to be out of metal is "inexpensive" ?
Man.... Something like 80$ would still be expensive for these 4 little pieces.
You can get a really good flashlight with metal housing and a really bright LED for under 5$ from aliexpress that is also made in china. That is way more engeneering, same quality and tech for only 5 bucks.
@@Mastermoussa pretty sure the shop is American and how much does it cost if you want to lower your car? And this is adjustable
@@recca7 Doesn't matter if it is an American shop. Everyone can produce in china.
But that is not the point.
The point is that it is way too expensive for what it is.
This thing is from factory out of plastic, because it is only an indicator for the sensor, where the car is right now.
So it is definitely overengeneered.
Adjustable is of course good. But you can also make a pack of 20 plastic pieces with different lengths (5 different with 4 of the same lengths) and sell the pack for 30$.
Becuase you will only set it once anyway.
But you could also sell this metal kit for 50$ and still make big profit.
@@Mastermoussa then you should do it. There's no patent on this
🔥🔥🔥 looking good bro
Man ur garage is a dream
How are the tires holding up after lowering? Do anything to address rear wheel camber?
@DragTimes do you have enough miles on the Plaid to tell if it has the inner tire wear issue that the older Model S and X have? I'm considering purchasing the N2itive camber kit when I can confirm that it will eliminate the inner tire wear issue after a new set of tires wears down.
Dang. I wish they had something like this for the model y performance.
The stance on it looks so much more aggressive 😳
Wow, it looks sick now! 🤜🤛
Looking Gooood!
Quick question! What kinda trunk spoiler lip is it?
Very nice! Thank you for this!
I want these in my Taycan but will they mess with the automatic air suspension? When I put it in sport mode it lowers. Can I install these without rubbing.
I love it!
Looks great.
Its all about Modding EV's and EV Conversions 🤟⚡🤟
What is the tint darkness on your car?
Are they 20% all around?
It's gorgeous
So doing the mod is really tricking the position sensor positioning. I wonder if that's why it didn't go any Cheetah mode because you're hitting bump stop or something and the position sensor never gets to target position?
Looks Awesome!!!
Brooks, would you consider color matching your door handles as well as your side marker/cameras? The stock setup almost looks like an add on. Your S looks Great!
Seriously lol dude. Looks better as is. Please no. Lol
What did you set your links to when you installed them?
brooks would love to see more SF90 content! thanks for all the great content!
People say the Tesla is boring looking but I think they look tuff.
Thanks my friend for your videos.. It's perfect 👍👍👍 and I don't know what many people say about Tesla s plaid and all Tesla models but I love Tesla .. S plaid is most beautiful than taycan and e tron.. Ok and taycan turbo s is amazing car but Tesla is 🔥🔥🔥🔥🚀🚀🚀🚀🚀
since you got the smaller diameter wheels did your range increase ? there is supposed to be a 48 mile difference in range from the 19" to the 21", was there a setting for the 20's with better range than the 21's?
Truly looks so clean and perfect! Glad your still enjoying the Plaid! Take care from the @driveboatride crew!
It looks awesome brother
Doesn't it hit with the speed bumps?
It automatically raises for those.
@@zoidburg2975 Didn't know that. Interesting.
Shit im late to the party with getting a plaid but i need thoses lowing tyrods and the site is no longer up. Any?
Other Raptipal company selling these
That’s it you don’t need to do much else… 9 second car and looks just right!
Does the added tire width or larger overall diameter have adverse effects on range or acceleration?
Looks sick. At first I thought you had a TLX Type S. ILX…
My sons car... type A
Good afternoon !!! I would like to know where I can find a kit like this for my Plaid? I participate in launch tests but it takes a long time for the dragstrip mode to lower the car and get ready… Here, reaction time counts!! could you help me to improve this time of preparation for the launch ? thank you for your attention.
Car looks great! Great video as well.
Just because you can’t afford a huracan evo doesn’t mean it’s overpriced the tesla is overpriced since it gets beaten by cars around the track for half or a quarter of the price so
@@ericship8383 track track track.....how many times in
every day driving do you take your hurracan to the "track"? It IS over priced when a guy and his wife and 2 kids in the back seats along with groceries in the trunk embarrasses you on every day streets and real world daily usage at hundreds of thousands of dollars less. Simple math right there.
Great information. Brooks!
Beautiful cars BROOKS
Nice, I will be buying me Tesla.
Wow, wish my Lexus was that easy to lower.. 😂
Have u ever considered going with 18" wheels
@DragTimes what jack pads are you using for the model s
Def Looks great..So does cheetah mode happen anymore? Curious to see some times.
Damn, how I miss your other cars. Just saying, I'm Plaid out!
Are you sure the front tires aren’t rubbing when you drop it into cheetah stance? Looks suuuper low.
we just had someone report an allignment nightmare with Tesla service. They had to remove lowering links
Which colour are those wheels? Awesome wheels btw
Looks good
Hey Brooks, how does this affect daily driving? For those who don't really track their Plaid, would this still be a good setup for a daily driver?
perfect for driving every day.....
Man i wish my Volvo S90 had that wooooooow
Dam I like those wheels
Hate my wheel gap on my model 3. Air suspension soon 🤙🏽
who has air suspension?? Tesla doesn't offer it on Model 3 nor Y.
@Alex NutCasio accuride, airlift, etc. There are plenty of model 3/Y owners running aftermarket air suspension kits bro
I lowered my 2021 model 3 Performance just with new springs. Down 35mm. Looks way better.
@@hengloose sorry mate, but I have never seen one (Y or 3) on the road or at meets with an aftermarket air suspension. NOT saying they don't exist, but have not seen one and there's a shit ton of 3 and Y around here.
@@alexnutcasio936 ruclips.net/video/5o380Y3acZw/видео.html
Bruh did you win a lottery or something?
Which Signature wheels are these? There are dozens.
@dragtimes what do you do for a living?
Can the wheel still turn without scraping when in drag mode?
What tires and wheels are you rocking?
Gta love tesla . Quality plastic suspension components to help save them money and cost you more
Most vehicles with ride height sensors use plastic elbows like that. But ya, you're right. It's definitely not just tesla, though.
Don’t own a Tesla. When you launch in Cheetah does the nose stay down the entire run or revert to original setting? It looks like you would have some fender interference if you turned the wheel in Cheetah.
the Tesla raises the front back up after launch...
Basically you just need the Tesla you can sell all the other cars
The Tesla channel
NICE!!!
Do you have half shaft vibrations? It seems like lowering the car may eliminate the front half shaft vibration.
no vibrations
@@DragTimes strange that some cars have it and some don't. My vibrates a lot between 40 and 50 mph. They replaced the front half shafts and that solved the problem for a day or two and then it came right back.
Drag radials - first 8?
that loks cool