So a couple people pointed out to me that at around 12:14 when I was choosing the resolution, I had the VESA driver selected. The menu shows an Nvidia driver, which would have certainly improved performance. However, turns out in this case it doesn't even matter - because I went back and tried to utilize the Nvidia driver, and the display would just freeze up on a still image of the desktop before timing out and reverting back to the VESA driver. I tried this with the Intel driver listed as well and the same thing happened (this is regardless of what resolution and refresh rate I chose with both drivers). So with this particular system, the VESA driver is the only one that actually displays anything properly.
You cannot imagine a good book and some good tools can do in young people. An unfortunate reality however, is that while some people excel in intelligence, they don't excel in the management of human resources. That is, you need always 2 people to create a project and provide the services of it.
@@nildesperandum2034 Perhaps. Total restructuring of the brain occurs in three periods of time meaning that essentially you need to start over with the learning process as soon as you step on 40s (middle life crisis anyone?). Unfortunately, age is only numbers, applies to the emotional processes (I will get that woman!), not in the cognitive processes (I will study this brand new programming language) due to the limits imposed on working memory and executive function. Take care yourself and the ones you love.
@@nildesperandum2034 It will take a lot of time to get you all of the resources of these statements, since I have studied many books on issues of neurology! (No, am not medical scientist, I am engineer. I have only participated in a medical project, the AMON project (search my name) in medical electronics back in 2002). You can separate the statements that I asserted and go to ask AI for papers supporting my claims (actually are not my claims, but most of neuroscientists accept them). However on books that I have studied here concerning these claims only: On the issue of change of cognitive processes with age has been simplified addressed by Aaron P. Nelson in his book achieving optimal memory. Some similar aspects discusses G. Edelman in The Mindful Brain: Cortical Organization and the Group-Selective Theory of Higher Brain Function. Similar articles I learned in the handbook of geriatrics, I think section dementia. There were also some papers on neurological disorders associated with emotional and cognitive change that were on interest. but I don't remember authors; sorry I have also other readings. Issues of working memory and executive function on cognitive processes has Esposito in foundations of cognitive neuroscience addressed.
As a dev, it's hard for me to imagine how could one man make an entire usable OS from scratch... What this guy did is just downright insane. Sadly, he chose to let the project die instead of allowing others to take over.
It's a shame it wasn't open sourced, because it could've had it's development continue, maybe at a snail's pace, but that would allow the owner to spread out the workload. who knows maybe there would've been some people who would've used skyOS instead of the big three or maybe it would've hung along with Haiku
I think the real reason he quit is because of legal stuff..like selling code in this he wasn't allowed to profit off of. you just don't give up just because you had a baby I know tons of ppl that worked EVEN HARDER after having a baby so their kid would be proud of them and they can build a legacy for the kid!
@@remixedcat that’s great for your pals, but plenty of people _do_ semi-retire (for 5-10 years at least) to focus on their kid and be present during key stages. Especially if there’s any medical difficulties etc.
I love the videos you do about non standard oses, especially on physical hardware. It makes you stand out to see how these operating systems actually hold up outside of virtual machines. Another great video MJD!
Hah, I worked on SkyOS with Robert for a few years, what a great time and fun project it was! Such an exciting time in the computer industry, when things still hadn't quite matured yet, and there was a lot of energy around hobby tech projects. Thanks for the video and the trip down memory lane @MichaelMJD !
So put the rumours to bed. Did SkyOS run a Linux kernel? Or some sort of BeOS code? Was the project put down because of fear of litigation due to unattributed code, or lack of permission to distribute it? I find it curious that when in gaming mode, there's a message referencing UNIX. What sort of UNIX code was borrowed and how much? @@Hexydes
It's so interesting to take a look at such projects from the past. I like how they show INSANE dedication of indie developers...Thank you MJD for helping preserve such fun projects!!!
This reminded me of MenuetOS, another '90s one-dev OS, written entirely in friggin assembly... That and KolibriOS that sprung off of it are super interesting.
Off-Topic: How did you insert a keyword in a comment that do a search in RUclips when clicked? (I can't Google it because it just think I want to search for comments)
@@OlegDorbitt wait, it's not here anymore, I swear that KolibriOS in your comment was in blue (same color as @user or timestamp) with a 🔎 icon. Clicking on it opened a search for that term. Since you didn't do it, this might be a new RUclips feature in randomized A/B testing right now? Curiously, it would randomly select words (which is dumb?). (I'm using the Android app [although old version since I'm using Vanced] and I'm a Premium aubscriber)
They're both still being updated. MenuetOS just got a new 64-bit release on September 1, 2024. And KolibriOS saw a release on April 8, 2024. Interestingly, they still haven't bloated beyond fitting on a single floppy disk (though both do offer a CD image with many more programs as well).
I remember being absolutely fascinated by this OS back when I used my EEE PC. I even made some edits to the Wikipedia page when the dev released the beta build for free.
man, thanks for doing this. I was a SkyOS fan back in the day and there is not a lot of content out there on the internet about it anymore. Really took me back.
I tried SkyOS when they were developing it. It was based on BeOS. Actually, I was involved in the Spanish translations since it had a Spaniard guy who didn't see any difference between them and LatinAmerica. Suddenly it was halted, no more requests and never heard from then anymore. I wonder what happened.
The file system was based on BFS, but I highly doubt the OS was. BeOS was multithreaded and the API was in C++. Massively multithreaded. At a time where no one except geniuses really understood multithreaded code.
To compete with Linux as a single developer was insane, I remember seeing this in the late 90s and thinking it would be cool to try it out, but being proprietary and having very limited support for hardware made that impossible. It would only have had a chance if it had been released as an open source project, look at the alternatives that are still being developed, all are open source.
At one point in time, I looked at SkyOS as a potential successor to BeOS. Being both closed-source AND costing money were mistakes that led to the demise of SkyOS. It's impressive for a one-man project, though it always rubbed me the wrong way that SkyOS charged money (and was closed-source) while using and relying on FOSS software like the OpenBFS filesystem driver.
Thank you for making these videos. Your content has made my life a lot better, and its cool to see people liking the same things as me! Thank you, Micheal MJD.
I find this extremeley impressive. The weak OpenGL performance might be due to the OS only having a software renderer. I suspect the developer could not get any Nvidia, Matrox, ATI or 3DFX drivers working. I also think that 2D screen is using VBE (Vesa BIOS Extensions) with the demanded resolutions and bitdepths being standard and supported in hardware for all modern (at that time) VGA cards.
From what I recall, Robert had an NDA with NVidia, and there was an NVidia driver, but keeping it up to date with new graphics cards was a problem. New hardware came out faster as he could implement the drivers.
The fact that all of this exists and mostly works, and ISN'T just a fork of Linux or something else, is beyond insane. Actually cracked. Kinda looks/feels like Linux tho. Shame it wasn't open sourced. If only I had a fraction of this guys power.
I think these days SerenityOS is the most interesting non-Linux, UNIX-like, POSIX-compliant hobby OS. Unfortunately it was not exactly designed to be installed on real hardware, as it was literally just designed for fun, so who knows how hardware support would be. It is open source though, and when compiling it creates a qemu virtual machine. I'm hoping for one day the developers implement some way to install and run it on real hardware. SkyOS was always held back by its developer's insistence of keeping it a paid, proprietary OS.
Thats one of the more interesting things ive seen today. Its default DE reminds me of Enlightenment. Does anyone remember Yellowdog Linux for the PS3? This reminds me of those days.
@@PC4USE1 It was the "official" Distro back in around 2008 for the OG PS3 models that had the "Other OS" option before Sony stripped it away. I remember how slow Linux was on the PS3, I remember using YDL and Ubuntu, I remember YDL taking forever to boot though!
I knew about this from OSFirstTimer back in the day but had forgotten about it. It's actually really impressive just how much the developer got working, being a one-man team, this has inspired me to revisit my own hobby OS plans, and perhaps continue them.
I'm in a middle of making an OS iceberg video, and for skyOS, mad I wish it was open source. Apparently there was accusation that the developer stole GPL code, while it was never proven, it did tarnish the image of the OS also according to linkedin he now owns a mobile game company so that's cool
This OS was my personal favorite because as you noticed, it was packed full of features that were all way ahead of their time. I do hope to see this one make a comeback as well as ome that I actually dailies called AtheOS that later got forked to Syllable
I tried it for a while, back in the day, and I was pleasantly surprised by both the look & feel as well as the actual day-to-day usability. The major issue I however, which hampered any attempts to use it as the main OS was, as you hinted in the video, my inability to use two specific devices due to lack of drivers (sound card and modem). Yeah, unfortunately, that was a showstopper. Still, I feel a bit of nostalgia & even appreciation for this unorthodox OS 🙂
congrats on actually finding an operating system I've never heard of! fascinating. The icons and the general look of the thing screams 'beos' (or haiku), just with a more 'traditional' window/desktop manager. Pity it was never just open-sourced.
Congrats on thinking highly of ones self and their knowledgebase whilst also Not knowing of this OS. It was not hard to learn of for anyone with an interest in such as area as you seem to think warrants boastfulness.
You could port the Haiku or Linux kernel for conpatability. Having a default password is good for security tools in case you added a new user or something, but being a password, the hash may be able to be cracked.
@@jothain Minecraft runs on Haiku, GTK and X11/Wayland programs run, webkit2 and Gnome web run too, we have qemu, openbsd firmware and freebsd firmware has been ported, Haiku is POSIX and porting is straightforward. Haiku is indeed much larger, just look at the haiku forum
Wow! Your voice changed! I've been a Michael mjd fan since like 2017, I really don't know. but your channel is super good. I recommended this channel to my friends like 5 days ago, but you are the best RUclipsr ever. keep up the good work bro. you made me love computers because of you. now i'm a big fan of you. I wish I could join, but I can't because I can't afford it, maybe when i'm 19. I am only 11. thanks for all of the computer help and all the RUclips channel stuff you do. thanks for all your good work. and also I love the videos when you do about non standard operating systems, especially on real physical hardware and not virtual machines. It makes you stand out and see how these operating systems actually hold up outside of virtual machines. Another great video Michael. It's a shame it wasn't open sourced, because it could've had its development really continue, but maybe at a snail's pace, but that would allow the owner to spread out the workload. who knows maybe there would've been some people who would've used sky OS? and maybe stopped it because he was around 16 or 17 and made him stop.
Ciao, sorry for offtopic, but this looks nice, the Icons reminds me of the Crystal Icon Theme from KDE.. personally i was a BeOS User from 1998-2001, such a great OS.. i remember, that i saw some mockups from Gonx Project, a wonderful and elegant UI for BeOS, maybe BeOS 6? so many greetings from brunswick in Germany and please stay safe 🙃
It’s wild that one developer did all this. I was blown away to see the likes of Nvidia drivers in there ready to go. Will have a play around with this for sure in a VM. Pity the developer doesn’t open source it so we could all contribute and bring it up to date. Maybe after this video they might 😊
I compared my own licence key from my purchase and it is exactly the same as the one you showed in this vide. So it was probably as you said, one standard key for all the beta testers.
@@pinheirokde Thank you for the Oxygen icon set. You've done truly incredible work and I'd love to see more from you, even more so that detailed designs with hints of skeuomorphism seem to be making a comeback again. Oxygen is definitely one of the most iconic and influential projects in the world of user interfaces and made me fall in love with the Plasma desktop for the first time, when 4.x was still the newest version out there!
This could've been a real competitor to win95/98 if it had gotten off the ground before or nearly around the same time as win95 and had a fully documented API. But in the end, this OS feels like more of a hobby for the creator and he got tired of it. He also didn't seem to understand what it would've really had taken for this OS to get off the ground. Pretty cool setup either way, would've kicked as in the early 90s.
Sky OS reminds me of another non Linux OS called Syllable OS that had a similar premise. AtheOS was an OS that could run on top of windows, and QubeOS too. Oh there were alot of cool "let's get away from Windows 9x alternatives back then.. Sadly.. NON of them, not even LINUX and FREEBSD could match the overall file compatibility and hardware compatibility of WINDOWS. Even MacOS could not display some jpegs, video, and other multimedia files. I know, I had a ton of pictures and only Windows displayed them all correctly. Linux was the only OS that could do the pictures almost as good as Windows.. Forget midi and audio back then with Linux or any non windows OS.. nightmare with soundcard compatibility. MacOS could do the audio stuff but you had specific hardware with Macs.. For us x86 guys.. it was Windows, or anything else... IF anything else worked with your specific cobbled together hardware mismash. Still cool OS concepts for the late 1990s early 2000s!
ngl I really want that gestures feature in Linux Forget complex gestures (at least for me), but being able to swipe my mouse in any one of 8 directions to quickly do any one of 8 different things? yes please
Everyone got an individual serial number. Name and Serial had to match. The public beta was just the last build made available to us beta testers, and Robert just put public as the username and generated the corresponding serial.
Network adapters. Yeah, I recall buying a specific networking card that was supported for use with SkyOS. It was a generic cheap thing, a RealTek based card, RTL8139.
Fascinating… pretty hefty task for a single dev. However - what I don’t understand is how every independent OS or variant of Linux still follows the basic interface paradigms of windows, Linux or Mac OS. I guess it’s 1996 - so it’s limited by various factors and has to also adopt some principles common to open source programs (like Firefox). However the basic window structure with close/maximise/minimise, taskbar, desktop icons, menus here seems quite standard. Not sure how: maybe immersive media center style ? Or tile based? To me, Mac OSX’s approach of using a dock and a unified/dynamic menu was quite unique when it launched in 2001.
I know you’ve had it for a while, but how did you get that many 3.5 floppies for the wall in the background of a lot of your videos? I cant find a good deal for a bunch of floppies like that anywhere.
It'd be so funny if now you install it in a weird PC, Laptop or device and make it part of your (Everything Goes wrong) series, I love those vids, greetings from México Michael!
I remember using this, just through curiosity. I think I had issue with the networking. I do seem to remember needing a code to get it installed, but I'm fairly sure it looked different from what was seen here.
if somebody updates this thing to work on modern hardware it would be a cool alternative. I want to quit Windows but Linux is not for me (I've tried lots of distros, I couldn't find one where everything worked and I said "this is it, this can be my main OS").
I remember playing that same Airstrike game on either Debian or Ubuntu in ca. 2010. It was available in the standard package sources, so it wasn't unique to SkyOS.
I made a pinned comment about this, but no at the time of recording I only had the VESA driver selected. However, I went back and tried the Nvidia and Intel ones and they both didn't work. Could only get the VESA driver to display anything.
It's commendable that one person developed the entire thing, but trying to sell it commercially was a mistake. Who is going to spend money on an OS they've never heard of, with no guarantee of compatibility with most popular software, and no guarantee of long-term updates and support? This should have started off as freeware akin to Linux, and perhaps done the distro model of offering paid support. This would have let people try it with less risk, and then perhaps they would have liked it and kept using it. It's a hard sell from the start.
was an IBM Model M user for over a decade, yeah you learn this one pretty quick. Too bad it can't be used in place of typical Windows+shortcuts (like R for run)
So a couple people pointed out to me that at around 12:14 when I was choosing the resolution, I had the VESA driver selected. The menu shows an Nvidia driver, which would have certainly improved performance. However, turns out in this case it doesn't even matter - because I went back and tried to utilize the Nvidia driver, and the display would just freeze up on a still image of the desktop before timing out and reverting back to the VESA driver. I tried this with the Intel driver listed as well and the same thing happened (this is regardless of what resolution and refresh rate I chose with both drivers). So with this particular system, the VESA driver is the only one that actually displays anything properly.
Hello
oh thats weird, not sure how it kept freezing but pretty sure the system didnt recognize it or something, thanks for telling us!
aww, thats sad.
It would be nice to revive this and also reactos and knock Microsoft and Linux off their blocks
Please can you install windows XP to mobile?
For the record, that guy, Robert Szeleney... is only 44 years old.
That means he started building this at around 15-16 years old.
You cannot imagine a good book and some good tools can do in young people. An unfortunate reality however, is that while some people excel in intelligence, they don't excel in the management of human resources. That is, you need always 2 people to create a project and provide the services of it.
AGE IS ONLY NUMBERS IN MOST CASES BRADMAN
@@nildesperandum2034 Perhaps. Total restructuring of the brain occurs in three periods of time meaning that essentially you need to start over with the learning process as soon as you step on 40s (middle life crisis anyone?). Unfortunately, age is only numbers, applies to the emotional processes (I will get that woman!), not in the cognitive processes (I will study this brand new programming language) due to the limits imposed on working memory and executive function. Take care yourself and the ones you love.
@@christopherneufelt8971 What's the source?
@@nildesperandum2034 It will take a lot of time to get you all of the resources of these statements, since I have studied many books on issues of neurology! (No, am not medical scientist, I am engineer. I have only participated in a medical project, the AMON project (search my name) in medical electronics back in 2002). You can separate the statements that I asserted and go to ask AI for papers supporting my claims (actually are not my claims, but most of neuroscientists accept them). However on books that I have studied here concerning these claims only: On the issue of change of cognitive processes with age has been simplified addressed by Aaron P. Nelson in his book achieving optimal memory. Some similar aspects discusses G. Edelman in The Mindful Brain: Cortical Organization and the Group-Selective Theory of Higher Brain Function. Similar articles I learned in the handbook of geriatrics, I think section dementia. There were also some papers on neurological disorders associated with emotional and cognitive change that were on interest. but I don't remember authors; sorry I have also other readings. Issues of working memory and executive function on cognitive processes has Esposito in foundations of cognitive neuroscience addressed.
Kudos for being a one dev capable OS
Reminds me of Temple OS but this seems much more capable.
@@Sheikh_Speare the difference between this and temple is temple was so functional for what it was. 1.4 megabytes vs 1500 lmao. HolyC was no joke
@@Sheikh_Speare Temple OS was one hell of an OS for what it was definitely
@@NutflX exactly. TempleOS is an amazing feat of engineering.
@@Sheikh_Speare plus everything you did in templeos was at the kernel level
As a dev, it's hard for me to imagine how could one man make an entire usable OS from scratch... What this guy did is just downright insane. Sadly, he chose to let the project die instead of allowing others to take over.
We could still try and modify it and kinda take over ifwe wanted to.
yeah tho. he doesnt care about the prpject anymore, he wont sue you because you opensourced it
ok but did he write his own compiler and language for writing the OS?
@@FtE1Well yes he can, but also you can’t open source something you don’t have the source code too.
I can understand why the developer chose to halt production, Inwas hoping they were gonna Open Source it but they didnt
It's a shame it wasn't open sourced, because it could've had it's development continue, maybe at a snail's pace, but that would allow the owner to spread out the workload. who knows maybe there would've been some people who would've used skyOS instead of the big three or maybe it would've hung along with Haiku
Maybe because it was just Linux under the roof, so it would have been a huge violation of the GPL license.
Damn I didn't think of that. It could have given birth to a new era of operating system line.
Since it’s based on BeOS, it would’ve been very interesting to see alongside Haiku. Maybe they could’ve cross-pollinated.
I think the real reason he quit is because of legal stuff..like selling code in this he wasn't allowed to profit off of. you just don't give up just because you had a baby I know tons of ppl that worked EVEN HARDER after having a baby so their kid would be proud of them and they can build a legacy for the kid!
@@remixedcat that’s great for your pals, but plenty of people _do_ semi-retire (for 5-10 years at least) to focus on their kid and be present during key stages. Especially if there’s any medical difficulties etc.
I love the videos you do about non standard oses, especially on physical hardware. It makes you stand out to see how these operating systems actually hold up outside of virtual machines. Another great video MJD!
Same
these are one of the best types of videos he makes imo
Agreed
Agreed
The only hearted comment with, 4 replies and 146 likes.
Hah, I worked on SkyOS with Robert for a few years, what a great time and fun project it was! Such an exciting time in the computer industry, when things still hadn't quite matured yet, and there was a lot of energy around hobby tech projects. Thanks for the video and the trip down memory lane @MichaelMJD !
I recall your name from the forums! I would often look back at them over the years, to see if any of the old crowd ever popped back up.
@@doggersunite Very cool! Such a fun time!
So put the rumours to bed. Did SkyOS run a Linux kernel? Or some sort of BeOS code? Was the project put down because of fear of litigation due to unattributed code, or lack of permission to distribute it?
I find it curious that when in gaming mode, there's a message referencing UNIX. What sort of UNIX code was borrowed and how much?
@@Hexydes
@@boxerfencer following
@@dotxyn well the silence is deafening. it speaks volumes as an affirmative, despite that details we'll never know.
It's so interesting to take a look at such projects from the past. I like how they show INSANE dedication of indie developers...Thank you MJD for helping preserve such fun projects!!!
This reminded me of MenuetOS, another '90s one-dev OS, written entirely in friggin assembly... That and KolibriOS that sprung off of it are super interesting.
Off-Topic: How did you insert a keyword in a comment that do a search in RUclips when clicked?
(I can't Google it because it just think I want to search for comments)
@@TommyCrosby that's the first time I'm hearing about this, I can't even see this on the app
@@OlegDorbitt wait, it's not here anymore, I swear that KolibriOS in your comment was in blue (same color as @user or timestamp) with a 🔎 icon. Clicking on it opened a search for that term.
Since you didn't do it, this might be a new RUclips feature in randomized A/B testing right now? Curiously, it would randomly select words (which is dumb?).
(I'm using the Android app [although old version since I'm using Vanced] and I'm a Premium aubscriber)
MinuetOS still gets update. The last commit was only a couple months ago
They're both still being updated. MenuetOS just got a new 64-bit release on September 1, 2024. And KolibriOS saw a release on April 8, 2024. Interestingly, they still haven't bloated beyond fitting on a single floppy disk (though both do offer a CD image with many more programs as well).
I remember being absolutely fascinated by this OS back when I used my EEE PC. I even made some edits to the Wikipedia page when the dev released the beta build for free.
man, thanks for doing this. I was a SkyOS fan back in the day and there is not a lot of content out there on the internet about it anymore. Really took me back.
I tried SkyOS when they were developing it. It was based on BeOS. Actually, I was involved in the Spanish translations since it had a Spaniard guy who didn't see any difference between them and LatinAmerica. Suddenly it was halted, no more requests and never heard from then anymore. I wonder what happened.
mayeb something happened to the owenr
The file system was based on BFS, but I highly doubt the OS was. BeOS was multithreaded and the API was in C++. Massively multithreaded. At a time where no one except geniuses really understood multithreaded code.
i remember using it back in the day as well. if you ever hanged out in tycom systems on beshare i woulda been there talking it up haha
1:28 contains a explanation
Written from scratch.
To compete with Linux as a single developer was insane, I remember seeing this in the late 90s and thinking it would be cool to try it out, but being proprietary and having very limited support for hardware made that impossible. It would only have had a chance if it had been released as an open source project, look at the alternatives that are still being developed, all are open source.
At one point in time, I looked at SkyOS as a potential successor to BeOS. Being both closed-source AND costing money were mistakes that led to the demise of SkyOS. It's impressive for a one-man project, though it always rubbed me the wrong way that SkyOS charged money (and was closed-source) while using and relying on FOSS software like the OpenBFS filesystem driver.
Did you end up using Haiku
Thank you for making these videos. Your content has made my life a lot better, and its cool to see people liking the same things as me! Thank you, Micheal MJD.
I find this extremeley impressive. The weak OpenGL performance might be due to the OS only having a software renderer. I suspect the developer could not get any Nvidia, Matrox, ATI or 3DFX drivers working. I also think that 2D screen is using VBE (Vesa BIOS Extensions) with the demanded resolutions and bitdepths being standard and supported in hardware for all modern (at that time) VGA cards.
From what I recall, Robert had an NDA with NVidia, and there was an NVidia driver, but keeping it up to date with new graphics cards was a problem. New hardware came out faster as he could implement the drivers.
The window transparency feature look so useful.
It’s also part of a WM called WayFire for Linux.
Some Linux DEs and WMs have it:
Cinnamon has this
I would assume KDE does as well, because it has basically everything.
Eye-squinting strain in a nutshell.
I was expecting him to use it to assist with manually copying that file path 😅
@@SpiderfffunKDE definitely has it, I map mouse scroll on window titlebar to change window opacity. Using it for a long time.
How does a dead OS have so many features I would want. The gestures is a pretty cool feature.
KDE had gestures and they removed them in Plasma 6. I went back to using Easystroke. Really sad.
It still has the transparency thing though.
The fact that all of this exists and mostly works, and ISN'T just a fork of Linux or something else, is beyond insane. Actually cracked. Kinda looks/feels like Linux tho. Shame it wasn't open sourced.
If only I had a fraction of this guys power.
What timing! I saw this OS underneath related articles from Temple OS. Didn't dig into it too much, so this is a cool video.
the videos on all of my favorite channels keep getting longer and longer. excellent!
I remember SkyOS, Visopsys, BeOS and a lot of others. Really good memories
I think these days SerenityOS is the most interesting non-Linux, UNIX-like, POSIX-compliant hobby OS. Unfortunately it was not exactly designed to be installed on real hardware, as it was literally just designed for fun, so who knows how hardware support would be. It is open source though, and when compiling it creates a qemu virtual machine. I'm hoping for one day the developers implement some way to install and run it on real hardware.
SkyOS was always held back by its developer's insistence of keeping it a paid, proprietary OS.
Yeah, Serenity OS is interesting. Another interesting one is Redox OS.
If this OS were open source, I bet it would have had a higher chance of standing up to windows.
Hello (HelloSystem) is kinda the opposite of this in that the Dev seems to be anti virtual machine lol
openttd my beloved
Thats one of the more interesting things ive seen today. Its default DE reminds me of Enlightenment. Does anyone remember Yellowdog Linux for the PS3? This reminds me of those days.
I remember Yellowdog for the Mac,never used it,not an Apple guy but PS3-sounds interesting.
@@PC4USE1 It was the "official" Distro back in around 2008 for the OG PS3 models that had the "Other OS" option before Sony stripped it away. I remember how slow Linux was on the PS3, I remember using YDL and Ubuntu, I remember YDL taking forever to boot though!
I knew about this from OSFirstTimer back in the day but had forgotten about it. It's actually really impressive just how much the developer got working, being a one-man team, this has inspired me to revisit my own hobby OS plans, and perhaps continue them.
another mjd video, another good day time to get comfy and watch things go wrong again!
I'm in a middle of making an OS iceberg video, and for skyOS, mad I wish it was open source. Apparently there was accusation that the developer stole GPL code, while it was never proven, it did tarnish the image of the OS
also according to linkedin he now owns a mobile game company so that's cool
Remember the failed by out.
Nice background for most of the video. I also like that the dialog icons animate.
This OS was my personal favorite because as you noticed, it was packed full of features that were all way ahead of their time. I do hope to see this one make a comeback as well as ome that I actually dailies called AtheOS that later got forked to Syllable
Crazy how ahead of its time this OS was. Most of the exotic desktop features it has weren't available on Mac/PC around the same time.
It would be great if it was open source, but you have to respect the developer's choice. If he did all this alone, it's really impressive.
Hi MJD, nice vids!
I tried it for a while, back in the day, and I was pleasantly surprised by both the look & feel as well as the actual day-to-day usability. The major issue I however, which hampered any attempts to use it as the main OS was, as you hinted in the video, my inability to use two specific devices due to lack of drivers (sound card and modem). Yeah, unfortunately, that was a showstopper.
Still, I feel a bit of nostalgia & even appreciation for this unorthodox OS 🙂
congrats on actually finding an operating system I've never heard of! fascinating. The icons and the general look of the thing screams 'beos' (or haiku), just with a more 'traditional' window/desktop manager. Pity it was never just open-sourced.
Congrats on thinking highly of ones self and their knowledgebase whilst also Not knowing of this OS. It was not hard to learn of for anyone with an interest in such as area as you seem to think warrants boastfulness.
thats hell of a feat to get that far along, amasing stuff
I remember skyos and how much hype it got for trying to be a windows killer
No one really expected a windows killer.
You could port the Haiku or Linux kernel for conpatability.
Having a default password is good for security tools in case you added a new user or something, but being a password, the hash may be able to be cracked.
Not even HaikuOS has Firefox, and its OpenSource and a rather large community! Kudos to the dev!
I don't know. Quickly Googled this and apparently there's been few hundred beta testers. I doubt Haiku has much more active people.
@@jothain Minecraft runs on Haiku, GTK and X11/Wayland programs run, webkit2 and Gnome web run too, we have qemu, openbsd firmware and freebsd firmware has been ported, Haiku is POSIX and porting is straightforward. Haiku is indeed much larger, just look at the haiku forum
I'm astounded at how relatively slick this is for a beta of a pretty niche unique OS.
Great video thanks for your all your time!! Greetings from Germany!
Nice OS. I tried, an older
version of it - years ago.
You have a very nice wall.
Wow! Your voice changed! I've been a Michael mjd fan since like 2017, I really don't know. but your channel is super good. I recommended this channel to my friends like 5 days ago, but you are the best RUclipsr ever. keep up the good work bro. you made me love computers because of you. now i'm a big fan of you. I wish I could join, but I can't because I can't afford it, maybe when i'm 19. I am only 11. thanks for all of the computer help and all the RUclips channel stuff you do. thanks for all your good work. and also I love the videos when you do about non standard operating systems, especially on real physical hardware and not virtual machines. It makes you stand out and see how these operating systems actually hold up outside of virtual machines. Another great video Michael. It's a shame it wasn't open sourced, because it could've had its development really continue, but maybe at a snail's pace, but that would allow the owner to spread out the workload. who knows maybe there would've been some people who would've used sky OS? and maybe stopped it because he was around 16 or 17 and made him stop.
Ciao, sorry for offtopic, but this looks nice, the Icons reminds me of the Crystal Icon Theme from KDE.. personally i was a BeOS User from 1998-2001, such a great OS.. i remember, that i saw some mockups from Gonx Project, a wonderful and elegant UI for BeOS, maybe BeOS 6? so many greetings from brunswick in Germany and please stay safe 🙃
Nice one Michael. Always top geekery
I remember this os. I actually paid for a beta account but never got it. It is amazing what one man managed to achieve.
It’s wild that one developer did all this. I was blown away to see the likes of Nvidia drivers in there ready to go. Will have a play around with this for sure in a VM. Pity the developer doesn’t open source it so we could all contribute and bring it up to date. Maybe after this video they might 😊
The gestures are genuinely very cool, would love to see that on modern DE's
The reason for very high CPU usage is probably due to the fact you're using a VESA graphics mode, where a lot of the graphics are software rendered
@ginger_toggaf TempleOS runs at a resolution of 640x480 in 16 colours, which is significantly easier to render than 32-bit true colour
Wow, this is surprisingly sophisticated given when it was made 😳
I compared my own licence key from my purchase and it is exactly the same as the one you showed in this vide. So it was probably as you said, one standard key for all the beta testers.
Wow the gestures are genius!
The icon set looks like one of the ones that were used in KDE 3
They are, KDE icons were used in this
Yeap 😅
@@pinheirokde Thank you for the Oxygen icon set. You've done truly incredible work and I'd love to see more from you, even more so that detailed designs with hints of skeuomorphism seem to be making a comeback again. Oxygen is definitely one of the most iconic and influential projects in the world of user interfaces and made me fall in love with the Plasma desktop for the first time, when 4.x was still the newest version out there!
I love seeing these obscure operating systems on real hardware as opposed to a virtual machine
i like the distro name, however it may have been used a lot later on
thats how it works with the [Word]OS naming scheme
I love ur videos mjd
Love these videos
That's a cool OS. It is a big undertaking for one person to develop, so it is understandable why he stopped development
90s? That looks way ahead of its time, crazy
It didn't look like that in the first builds
This wallpaper looks familiar...
First reply
What made you think that?
Yeah you just saw that
I read it as windowsn't 😅 that's a funny way to say linux.
@@crazystupidgamer b-but the new technology kernel..
I wonder how many of these one or few person non-linux OSs exist out there.
Temple os
Visopsys
MenuetOS and its Russian fork KolibriOS.
@@FlyboyHelosim that's a new one I've heard of
I got those same Cambridge Soundworks speakers. Scored them for $3 at a thrift store.
LIFE
This could've been a real competitor to win95/98 if it had gotten off the ground before or nearly around the same time as win95 and had a fully documented API.
But in the end, this OS feels like more of a hobby for the creator and he got tired of it.
He also didn't seem to understand what it would've really had taken for this OS to get off the ground.
Pretty cool setup either way, would've kicked as in the early 90s.
MJD please try SerenityOS as well!
Before i read the title, i thought it was some weird linux distro. Nice one! :)
This OS is incredibly charming...
8:30 That same transparency feature single handedly kept me on KDE for YEARS! 😅
WEN TEMPLE OS
LEsssgoooooooooo
Sky OS reminds me of another non Linux OS called Syllable OS that had a similar premise. AtheOS was an OS that could run on top of windows, and QubeOS too. Oh there were alot of cool "let's get away from Windows 9x alternatives back then.. Sadly.. NON of them, not even LINUX and FREEBSD could match the overall file compatibility and hardware compatibility of WINDOWS. Even MacOS could not display some jpegs, video, and other multimedia files. I know, I had a ton of pictures and only Windows displayed them all correctly. Linux was the only OS that could do the pictures almost as good as Windows.. Forget midi and audio back then with Linux or any non windows OS.. nightmare with soundcard compatibility. MacOS could do the audio stuff but you had specific hardware with Macs.. For us x86 guys.. it was Windows, or anything else... IF anything else worked with your specific cobbled together hardware mismash. Still cool OS concepts for the late 1990s early 2000s!
19:03 The game background kinds of look like the Window XP background.
28:43 The Media Library looks like the Window Media Centre.
oh yeah 02:34 a normal michaelMJD video.
but i like it.
ngl I really want that gestures feature in Linux
Forget complex gestures (at least for me), but being able to swipe my mouse in any one of 8 directions to quickly do any one of 8 different things? yes please
I was in the SkyOS 5 Beta programme. But 30 Euro? In my memory it was only 25 euro.
Everyone got an individual serial number. Name and Serial had to match. The public beta was just the last build made available to us beta testers, and Robert just put public as the username and generated the corresponding serial.
Network adapters. Yeah, I recall buying a specific networking card that was supported for use with SkyOS. It was a generic cheap thing, a RealTek based card, RTL8139.
30€ would be the price after 20% VAT, is the first thought that comes to mind. But I wasn’t there for this project!
@@kaitlyn__L The price might have been raised after I entered. I entered the beta in 2004.
Day of the Tentacle was a DOS-based game released in 1993, developed by the same company that made Maniac Mansion
Fascinating… pretty hefty task for a single dev.
However - what I don’t understand is how every independent OS or variant of Linux still follows the basic interface paradigms of windows, Linux or Mac OS.
I guess it’s 1996 - so it’s limited by various factors and has to also adopt some principles common to open source programs (like Firefox).
However the basic window structure with close/maximise/minimise, taskbar, desktop icons, menus here seems quite standard.
Not sure how: maybe immersive media center style ? Or tile based?
To me, Mac OSX’s approach of using a dock and a unified/dynamic menu was quite unique when it launched in 2001.
I know you’ve had it for a while, but how did you get that many 3.5 floppies for the wall in the background of a lot of your videos? I cant find a good deal for a bunch of floppies like that anywhere.
He bought about 100 broken floppy disks to test then, and ofcource they were broken so he reporposed then. He has a video on his channel about it
@@Mr._Mythical Ah, I remember that video now. Thank you :)
i feel like i saw this os in a dream once and i have litterally never seen this os before
It'd be so funny if now you install it in a weird PC, Laptop or device and make it part of your (Everything Goes wrong) series, I love those vids, greetings from México Michael!
It might not be based on Linux, but there's certainly been some effort to make it look like those 90s distros and it's about as janky as them too.
I paid for system. It was actually really powerful for what it was.
What did you use it for?
This OS is very user friendly.
Please do a video on Vision OS! Also, love the videos!
Coming soon: Installing SkyOS on the $5 Windows 98 PC
I remember using this, just through curiosity. I think I had issue with the networking.
I do seem to remember needing a code to get it installed, but I'm fairly sure it looked different from what was seen here.
Next is Plan9
I always like when small developers make their own OS from scratch
if somebody updates this thing to work on modern hardware it would be a cool alternative. I want to quit Windows but Linux is not for me (I've tried lots of distros, I couldn't find one where everything worked and I said "this is it, this can be my main OS").
The OS looks so clean tho I love the UI 💪
Now I understand what System of a Down meant by "have you ever been stuck in the sky?"
It look like a mix of Linux and BeOS softwares.
For example, "People" is the same as in BeOS. And of course Haiku too.
I love the UI!
Greetings and salutations
A parallel universe where SkyOS Cloud exists and it's called SkyDrive.
That's OneDrive...
@@massblablaThat's what the joke is about
I remember playing that same Airstrike game on either Debian or Ubuntu in ca. 2010. It was available in the standard package sources, so it wasn't unique to SkyOS.
When you were in SysManager, did you enable the Nvidia Graphics driver?? It looked like you left it using a basic driver under Displays.
I made a pinned comment about this, but no at the time of recording I only had the VESA driver selected. However, I went back and tried the Nvidia and Intel ones and they both didn't work. Could only get the VESA driver to display anything.
@@MichaelMJD ah! Thank you! This cured my OCD about it haha
It's commendable that one person developed the entire thing, but trying to sell it commercially was a mistake. Who is going to spend money on an OS they've never heard of, with no guarantee of compatibility with most popular software, and no guarantee of long-term updates and support? This should have started off as freeware akin to Linux, and perhaps done the distro model of offering paid support. This would have let people try it with less risk, and then perhaps they would have liked it and kept using it. It's a hard sell from the start.
TIL control+escape functions as a super key
The OS needs to implement it, but it’s pretty common since MS mandated it for Win95 compatibility.
was an IBM Model M user for over a decade, yeah you learn this one pretty quick. Too bad it can't be used in place of typical Windows+shortcuts (like R for run)
At 0:52 For the record, it wasn't possible to buy anything in euros during the 90s. The euro was introduced in 2002. Check your facts please.
What a neat OS! 🥰 ..but the DL Link doesn't work or maybe overloaded??
would like to see your take on Visopsys, Amiga AROS, SerenityOS or MenuetOS someday
And Syllable, as it was seen as the SkyOS competition back in the days.