Meeting the Quran's Challenge: Joseph and the Cutting of the Hands
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- Опубликовано: 15 окт 2024
- In this video we see how Jewish tradition developed the story of Joseph, and how the authors/editors of the Quran cannot tell the difference between midrash and Torah.
For a text version of this argument, and more, download to your Word/Google Docs app for quick reference on your phone: drive.google.com/open?id=1tlTCUxMjieRu5wqU_10RDRQJm2nsf0Pr. My Patreon here: www.patreon.com/islamcritiqued. For more source critical videos, see here:
Quran and the Life of Adam and Eve: ruclips.net/video/7cuTkCGbVlE/видео.html
Quran and the legend of Alexander the Great: ruclips.net/video/ps9UFkDnSm8/видео.html
Quran and mystical texts: ruclips.net/video/EulmXl3pgIs/видео.html
Quran and Abraham: ruclips.net/video/w6hnBUDWHug/видео.html
Thank you for putting the document together. It's a great source of information.
God bless.
Yes!!!! You are my kind of apologist!!! The way you require valid argumentation and provide documentation. Thank you
@@bowrudder899 IC's email address is listed in the description of many of his videos.
Thanks, @Reasoned Answers apologetics videos! I found his email address, and deleted my post above. Thanks for tipping me off.
@islam critiqued.. at round 7:05 you said he (Joseph) was still jailed with reference of surah 12:28-30... but from what I've read from your own video, there is no reference of him even gone to jail. So muslim source is saying he was proven innocent at the very moment without going to jail? If so, why are you trying to say things that muslim dont claim to be.
When Muslims try the "produce a Sura" challenge with me, I always ask for the criteria for which an impartial judge can evaluate it. I never hear back.
I thought for sure I would never be confronted with the "produce a sura like it" argument, considering how nonsensical it is. Alas, I was wrong. So I did the same thing, asked what the criteria is and got no answer to it. I was also told to give up, because thousands have tried over the centuries and none have succeeded.
Very smart. I’ve done this challenge with a Muslim before, where I told her to find the most beautiful verse in the Quran and I’ll find the most beautiful verse in the Bible. Likewise we compared the accounts of Adam in the Quran and Bible.
For both examples the Muslim realized the Quran lost, though she did not admit it explicitly.
@@gigahorse1475 But you see, she didn't lose... or win. The entire challenge is subjective.
I read an interesting answer on that topic in the comment section of another David Wood video. Here goes: Satan took up the challange and won, since he produced suras which Mohamad believed to be coming from Allah. They must have been equal in beauty and eloquence, if even the prophet of islam couldn't distinguish them from the suras of Allah.
Breakfast Gun I understand the problem of subjectivity. But she definitely lost a lot of confidence in her book and she knew it.
You speak softly, but you present the truth in such a way as to leave no room for argument! Well done! I love learning from you!
Exactly, he is a blessing.
Klaas Jansen Amen! A precious gift to us!
What is the truth?
The Talmud was compiled in the 14th and 13th centuries after the Quran.
Midrash Yalkut Shimeoni: More than a century ago, Zunz pointed out that the Midrash Yalkut Shimeoni had been compiled in the 13th century CE by Simeon ha-Darshan.[10] This dating is still accepted today. The Encyclopaedia Judaica says:
Yalkut Shimoni, the best known and most comprehensive midrashic anthology, covering the whole Bible. Some scholars (S. J. Rapoport, etc.) claimed that its author and compiler was Simeon Kara, the father of Joseph Kara and a contemporary of Rashi, but A. Epstein showed that there is no basis for this view. He proved that the Simeon mentioned by Rashi is not the compiler of Yalkut and attributed it to a Simeon ha-Darshan, who lived in 13th century.... Zunz dated the Midrash to the 13th century based on the facts that Nathan b. Jehiel of Rome, Rashi, and other 12th century scholars did not know the Yalkut, its use of sources which date at the earliest from the end of the 11th century.... Not all of Zunz's arguments are valid.... but Zunz's view as to its date prevails...[11]
Similarly Epstein inclines to agree
... with Zunz that the author of the Yalkut flourished in the early part of the thirteenth century.[12]
2. Midrash Ha-Gadol: It is the largest of all the midrashic collections. Concerning the dating and the nature of composition The Universal Jewish Encyclopedia says:
Midrash Hagadol ("The Great Midrash") a midrashic compilation to the entire Torah... was apparently completed in 14th cent.... Unlike the compiler of the Midrash collection Yalkut Shimeoni, the editor of Midrash Hagadol does not gives his sources.... In many instances the legends and expositions in the text are very similar to those recorded in Mohammedan sources.[13]
It is universally regarded that David b. Amram of Aden (Yemen) was the author of Midrash Ha-Gadol. David b. Amram is usually dated in the 13th century.[14]
3. Sefer Ha-Yashar: According to the Encyclopaedia Judaica Sefer Ha-Yashar was
... probably written in the 13th century.[15]
Some scholars like J. Dan have suspected that this work was composed only at the beginning of the 16th century in Naples. In support of this idea J. Genot cites the description of Joseph as a Jewish astronomer at a Gentile court, the use of the astrolabe, and contemporary influences on biblical narratives. The Venice edition of Sefer Ha-Yasharappeals to a 1552 printed edition of Naples, which, however, apparently never existed.[16] Concerning the contemporary influences on Sefer Ha-Yashar, Zunz points out the existence of various Arab names in it.[17]
4. Midrash Tanhuma: A detailed discussion about the dating of this book is given elsewhere. It is sufficient to say that this Midrash is dated to the 9th century CE.[18]
5. Midrash Genesis Rabbah: Very briefly, although scholars had claimed that this Midrash was edited in the 6th century CE, it has now been shown that the text of this Midrash was horribly unstable even when in the Middle Ages.[19] Hence, there is no way of identifying what actually constituted the "original" text. There are chapters of Vayishlach, Vayigash, Vayechi etc. that have gone through extensive changes and have been drawn from Tanhuma homilies. Tanhuma homilies themselves were complied in the ninth century CE as stated above.
4. Conclusions
Geiger and others claimed that the Qur'anic story of Joseph, in certain parts, can only be "understood" using the Jewish Midrashic literature. It is clear from the above discussion that Midrash Yalkut, Midrash Ha-Gadol, Sefer Ha-Yashar, Tanhuma and Midrash Genesis Rabbah are either late compilations or are textually unstable. They all reached their final form a few hundred years after the advent of Islam.
Written in 14TH Century
The Talmud he is speaking of was AUTHORED in the 14th century
((In several respects, the two major medieval exegetical collections, the Yalqut Shimoni - a collection of rabbinic interpretations of the entire Hebrew bible, which originated in 13th-14th Century Ashkenaz - and the Midrash ha-Gadol - a collection of rabbinic interpretations of the Pentateuch, which was authored in *13th-14th Century Yemen* - are of central relevance with regard to the transfer of tradition(s): on the one hand, these collections, which are intensively received in their respective cultural environment, shed light on the intra Jewish transfer of tradition(s) and their author’s understanding of tradition. On the other hand, they offer the possibility of investigating the extent to which the engagement with other religions (with Christianity in the case of the Yalqut Shimoni and with Islam in the case of the Midrash ha-Gadol) has influenced the intra Jewish understanding of ‘tradition’.))
Source
www.uni-muenster.de/Religion-und-Politik/en/forschung/projekte/c2-22.html
((Midrash Hagadol ("The Great Midrash") a midrashic compilation to the entire Torah... was apparently completed in 14th cent.... Unlike the compiler of the Midrash collection Yalkut Shimeoni, *the editor of Midrash Hagadol does not gives his sources* In many instances the legends and expositions in the text are very similar to those recorded in Mohammedan sources.[13]
_
Midrash Hagadol", The Universal Jewish Encyclopedia, 1969, Volume 7, Ktav Publishing House, Inc.: New York, pp. 539-540.
_
Conclusion : The Midrash Hagadol written in 14th century and has NO Refrense to any jewish tradition.
Notice what Jewish Enclyopedia says :
*the editor of Midrash Hagadol does not gives his sources*
*NO Sources Meaning there is no evidense that this belongs to jewish tradition* But dather the writer of this 14th century book is the one who toke sources from islam.
The fact we have such an apologist like you on our side is proof Christ will prevail. Keep spreading the truth, love and peace from a Christian brother.
Written in 14TH Century
The Talmud he is speaking of was AUTHORED in the 14th century
((In several respects, the two major medieval exegetical collections, the Yalqut Shimoni - a collection of rabbinic interpretations of the entire Hebrew bible, which originated in 13th-14th Century Ashkenaz - and the Midrash ha-Gadol - a collection of rabbinic interpretations of the Pentateuch, which was authored in *13th-14th Century Yemen* - are of central relevance with regard to the transfer of tradition(s): on the one hand, these collections, which are intensively received in their respective cultural environment, shed light on the intra Jewish transfer of tradition(s) and their author’s understanding of tradition. On the other hand, they offer the possibility of investigating the extent to which the engagement with other religions (with Christianity in the case of the Yalqut Shimoni and with Islam in the case of the Midrash ha-Gadol) has influenced the intra Jewish understanding of ‘tradition’.))
Source
www.uni-muenster.de/Religion-und-Politik/en/forschung/projekte/c2-22.html
Nice show between you and Dr Wood last night. God bless you brother for the good work.
Written in 14TH Century
The Talmud he is speaking of was AUTHORED in the 14th century
((In several respects, the two major medieval exegetical collections, the Yalqut Shimoni - a collection of rabbinic interpretations of the entire Hebrew bible, which originated in 13th-14th Century Ashkenaz - and the Midrash ha-Gadol - a collection of rabbinic interpretations of the Pentateuch, which was authored in *13th-14th Century Yemen* - are of central relevance with regard to the transfer of tradition(s): on the one hand, these collections, which are intensively received in their respective cultural environment, shed light on the intra Jewish transfer of tradition(s) and their author’s understanding of tradition. On the other hand, they offer the possibility of investigating the extent to which the engagement with other religions (with Christianity in the case of the Yalqut Shimoni and with Islam in the case of the Midrash ha-Gadol) has influenced the intra Jewish understanding of ‘tradition’.))
Source
www.uni-muenster.de/Religion-und-Politik/en/forschung/projekte/c2-22.html
@@heroichero1564 No, Genesis was AUTHORED long before Muhammad began raiding caravans to raise money for his sex slaves.
As usual, you're on point and your calm disposition in your exegesis is admirable!
Great work. I am learning so much!
As usual he is a liar
Islam Critiqued
You simply don't get
The Talmud was compiled in the 14th and 13th centuries after the Quran's 7th century.
Midrash Yalkut Shimeoni: More than a century ago, Zunz pointed out that the Midrash Yalkut Shimeoni had been compiled in the 13th century CE by Simeon ha-Darshan.[10] This dating is still accepted today. The Encyclopaedia Judaica says:
Yalkut Shimoni, the best known and most comprehensive midrashic anthology, covering the whole Bible. Some scholars (S. J. Rapoport, etc.) claimed that its author and compiler was Simeon Kara, the father of Joseph Kara and a contemporary of Rashi, but A. Epstein showed that there is no basis for this view. He proved that the Simeon mentioned by Rashi is not the compiler of Yalkut and attributed it to a Simeon ha-Darshan, who lived in 13th century.... Zunz dated the Midrash to the 13th century based on the facts that Nathan b. Jehiel of Rome, Rashi, and other 12th century scholars did not know the Yalkut, its use of sources which date at the earliest from the end of the 11th century.... Not all of Zunz's arguments are valid.... but Zunz's view as to its date prevails...[11]
Similarly Epstein inclines to agree
... with Zunz that the author of the Yalkut flourished in the early part of the thirteenth century.[12]
2. Midrash Ha-Gadol: It is the largest of all the midrashic collections. Concerning the dating and the nature of composition The Universal Jewish Encyclopedia says:
Midrash Hagadol ("The Great Midrash") a midrashic compilation to the entire Torah... was apparently completed in 14th cent.... Unlike the compiler of the Midrash collection Yalkut Shimeoni, the editor of Midrash Hagadol does not gives his sources.... In many instances the legends and expositions in the text are very similar to those recorded in Mohammedan sources.[13]
It is universally regarded that David b. Amram of Aden (Yemen) was the author of Midrash Ha-Gadol. David b. Amram is usually dated in the 13th century.[14]
3. Sefer Ha-Yashar: According to the Encyclopaedia Judaica Sefer Ha-Yashar was
... probably written in the 13th century.[15]
Some scholars like J. Dan have suspected that this work was composed only at the beginning of the 16th century in Naples. In support of this idea J. Genot cites the description of Joseph as a Jewish astronomer at a Gentile court, the use of the astrolabe, and contemporary influences on biblical narratives. The Venice edition of Sefer Ha-Yasharappeals to a 1552 printed edition of Naples, which, however, apparently never existed.[16] Concerning the contemporary influences on Sefer Ha-Yashar, Zunz points out the existence of various Arab names in it.[17]
4. Midrash Tanhuma: A detailed discussion about the dating of this book is given elsewhere. It is sufficient to say that this Midrash is dated to the 9th century CE.[18]
5. Midrash Genesis Rabbah: Very briefly, although scholars had claimed that this Midrash was edited in the 6th century CE, it has now been shown that the text of this Midrash was horribly unstable even when in the Middle Ages.[19] Hence, there is no way of identifying what actually constituted the "original" text. There are chapters of Vayishlach, Vayigash, Vayechi etc. that have gone through extensive changes and have been drawn from Tanhuma homilies. Tanhuma homilies themselves were complied in the ninth century CE as stated above.
4. Conclusions
Geiger and others claimed that the Qur'anic story of Joseph, in certain parts, can only be "understood" using the Jewish Midrashic literature. It is clear from the above discussion that Midrash Yalkut, Midrash Ha-Gadol, Sefer Ha-Yashar, Tanhuma and Midrash Genesis Rabbah are either late compilations or are textually unstable. They all reached their final form a few hundred years after the advent of Islam.
Written in 14TH Century
The Talmud he is speaking of was AUTHORED in the 14th century
((In several respects, the two major medieval exegetical collections, the Yalqut Shimoni - a collection of rabbinic interpretations of the entire Hebrew bible, which originated in 13th-14th Century Ashkenaz - and the Midrash ha-Gadol - a collection of rabbinic interpretations of the Pentateuch, which was authored in *13th-14th Century Yemen*"
Source
www.uni-muenster.de/Religion-und-Politik/en/forschung/projekte/c2-22.html
Debunked!❗❌👇
According to jewish Enclyopedia Madrash Hagadol was
*Influenced by Muslim culture*
Check out and STOP Believeing the liar
See the refrense your self 👇
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Jesus Said Allaahha
Paul said it, Daniel and Ezra mention it.
Maltese Christian to date have the same name Alaha
Also 2 million Arab Christians have it n there Arabic bible
ruclips.net/video/gIQc-Bw4iu0/видео.html
@@heroichero1564you realize that the Talmud existed since before christ. It just wasn't in written form. It was passed down by oral recitation (which Muhammed probably copied the oral recitation of the Quran from 👀👀👀) from one generation of scribes to the next. That's why it was called the "Oral Torah".
This could be a one sentence summary of this entire series on source criticism: "For what had worked so well in the Bible, and tolerably well in Midash, now fell apart entire in the Quran" - Jame Kugel. :)
yes he got exposed ruclips.net/video/J_y8KFp0lXE/видео.html
@@bullseye9723 Have you actually watched even one video for IC's for yourself? the last clown to spam this link eventually had to admit he hadn't even watched the video he thought was "refuted."
@@ReasonedAnswers yes i watched!!
@@bullseye9723 Good. Now explain why you think an empty rant counts as "exposing" someone.
@James Hall anyways your never going to believe even if he is refured!!
Excellent job drawing the connecting between the Quran and Jewish sources. Considering Jospeh is the most complete story in the entire Quran, and even it makes more sense when the sources are cross referenced, it is pretty clear that the Quran is unintelligible without the social context (i.e. common knowledge) of 7th century Arabia. So strange that the "eternal" word of Allah that has existed from before the foundation of the Earth and is written for all people somehow only makes sense in the exact time and place it was "revealed."
Can u jst explain these points to me:
1) Islamic Joseph was imprisoned to avoid further *debasmant* of potiphar.
Biblical Joseph was jailed to *fulfill the lust of Mrs potiphar.* But there is not a single instance of *her meeting with Joseph in jail* . So the main intent of Mrs potiphar proves false.
2) Islamic assembly of women gathered *on purpose* bcz accusation against her had taken place. So she tried to justify herself.
biblical assembly gathered just as a coincident. *No pre-established motive* . Why the need of gathering arose?
3) Islamic cutting of hands was clarification of her guilt.
Biblical cutting of hands was clarification of what? Or what was the purpose of creating the whole drama?
@@waseemabbas1730 _"Biblical Joseph was jailed to fulfill the lust of Mrs potiphar. "_ Not even close. He was jailed because he was accused of raping Potiphar's wife. I know Muhammad allowed such behavior, but in the Bible it is a series crime.
_"biblical assembly gathered just as a coincident. "_ Um, there is no assembly of women in the Bible.
_"Biblical cutting of hands was clarification of what?"_ Nothing, because there was no such silliness in the Bible AT ALL.
Maybe you should actually read the Biblical story before commenting on it? Here you go: www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+37&version=ESV
I explained the same thing to him early today on a different comment. He's seriously confused.
@@waseemabbas1730
I'm interested to know whether you have read the Bible. In the case of the history of Joseph it is even enough to read only one book: Genesis
i grew up learning christianity at home and learning abt islam at school. when i was little my knowledge abt the basic of this 2 religions quite balance and i believe it is only the different road to go to the heaven of god. When i getting older i read both quran and bible and i find out that i disagree with many things in the quran. sometime i ask the muslim friends abt it and the answer i got always 'the translation is not accurate '....so i gave up on quran 😊😊
Ur channel give me chance to continue to learn abt the different again.
Dude you are the Bob Ross of RUclips. Your smooth voice puts me to sleep.
Is there any resource online where there is a list of these "borrowed" stories in the Quran and where they come from? I think that would be incredibly useful.
Here are a few.
carm.org/sources-of-the-quran
However, check the pinned comment. Colin put together a document containing references and commentary for his videos. The majority of videos confirm the source for a quranic story.
I don't believe there is a comprehensive list anywhere, but this will be a huge help: www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Sources/
Follow Jay Smith, Al Fadi, and David Wood. You'll find a wealth of information there too. Pfander film or Cira international are Jay Smith and Al Fadi's channels
Part of the reason for producing videos like this is that I don't think there's a good, systematized presentation of this material at the depth required that's readily available. @Survivor, thank you for pointing out the Word Doc!
www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Sources/index.html there is something that comes close to a systematized presentation of most of the influences that were present when muhammad compiled the Quran
I just got the notification and it is already watched by hundreds.
Wonder why notifications came to me so late🤔
Anyway video, thank you for sharing 🙏
Your presentation is very systematic and indepth. Very good
Written in 14TH Century
The Talmud he is speaking of was AUTHORED in the 14th century
((In several respects, the two major medieval exegetical collections, the Yalqut Shimoni - a collection of rabbinic interpretations of the entire Hebrew bible, which originated in 13th-14th Century Ashkenaz - and the Midrash ha-Gadol - a collection of rabbinic interpretations of the Pentateuch, which was authored in *13th-14th Century Yemen* - are of central relevance with regard to the transfer of tradition(s): on the one hand, these collections, which are intensively received in their respective cultural environment, shed light on the intra Jewish transfer of tradition(s) and their author’s understanding of tradition. On the other hand, they offer the possibility of investigating the extent to which the engagement with other religions (with Christianity in the case of the Yalqut Shimoni and with Islam in the case of the Midrash ha-Gadol) has influenced the intra Jewish understanding of ‘tradition’.))
Source
www.uni-muenster.de/Religion-und-Politik/en/forschung/projekte/c2-22.html
I came across your channel thanks to the video of my favourite youtuber David Wood. May God bless your ministry here too! Greetings from the Czech Republic.
"If you cannot produce a comment like this"--I choked on my tea! (I assume that's a Quran joke.) Thanks for your presentation last night. The final thing clicked into place when you were talking about Muhammad seeing himself as an end-time prophet.
I assume you've seen what's likely the first Islamic creed? This was what the first group of the Ansari swore, instead of the shahada: I gave the pledge of allegiance to the Prophet (ﷺ) with a group of people, and he said, "I take your pledge that you will not worship anything besides Allah, will not steal, will not commit infanticide, will not slander others by forging false statements and spreading it, and will not disobey me in anything good. And whoever among you fulfill all these (obligations of the pledge), his reward is with Allah. And whoever commits any of the above crimes and receives his legal punishment in this world, that will be his expiation and purification. But if Allah screens his sin, it will be up to Allah, Who will either punish or forgive him according to His wish."
This is REALLY interesting. I don't want to share the end-goal of my big project publicly, but I'm doing all of this for something in addition to standard online apologetics.
"I assume that's a Quran joke." You assume correctly. =)
Perfect my brother. Your explanations make so much sense. Great video
Another well-prepared and educational video. Thank you. I hope you have another video on Jewish mysticism coming soon.
Muhammad has a Caravan Campfire view of the Jewish and Christian faiths, and their scriptures.
When I learnt how Jewish exegesis was/is done I was floored...but still, I do so enjoy going over parsha readings as the calendar rolls. There is so much to see when one strolls through slowly in the "old" Testament.
I still need to listen to this again and see the intricacies. Glad to find that whoever compiled the Quran had a love for stories and had a hard time knowing what to put in and what to leave out!
Came here seeing you and David today. Keep the good work bro.
Thanks for the discussion you had with Dave! It was so informing. Besides, nice video! Bye.
The real challenge was actually how to deal with all those issues in only 15 min!!!! Woow you won big time!!
LOVE the content!!
Yes...I try to give just enough detail to take viewers from unfamiliar territory to the conclusion.
Written in 14TH Century
The Talmud he is speaking of was AUTHORED in the 14th century
((In several respects, the two major medieval exegetical collections, the Yalqut Shimoni - a collection of rabbinic interpretations of the entire Hebrew bible, which originated in 13th-14th Century Ashkenaz - and the Midrash ha-Gadol - a collection of rabbinic interpretations of the Pentateuch, which was authored in *13th-14th Century Yemen* - are of central relevance with regard to the transfer of tradition(s): on the one hand, these collections, which are intensively received in their respective cultural environment, shed light on the intra Jewish transfer of tradition(s) and their author’s understanding of tradition. On the other hand, they offer the possibility of investigating the extent to which the engagement with other religions (with Christianity in the case of the Yalqut Shimoni and with Islam in the case of the Midrash ha-Gadol) has influenced the intra Jewish understanding of ‘tradition’.))
Source
www.uni-muenster.de/Religion-und-Politik/en/forschung/projekte/c2-22.html
@@heroichero1564 Put down the pipe, and watch this again. The story did not originate in the Talmud you're talking about. Pay attention, little one.
IC great seeing you with David Wood. You moving up in the apologetic rankings.
We study different areas. That's one really good thing about the group of Islam RUclipsr's, were all very different in our approaches.
@Hakim Mohamad at end of the day each is exposing islam in their own way. I personally wouldn't advice IC to debate Muslims cause you will lose brain cells and be frustrated. Trust me i have personal experience on this.
@@IslamCritiqued well said, we each have our niche so to speak. Me i deal with quranic claims and Muhammad in bible.
@Hakim Mohamad IMHO David Wood uses simpler arguments, that most people can watch the videos on their lunch break or something and still understand. IC on the other hand digs really deep, and personally I have to really focus on what he's saying to understand because it's so in depth and detailed
@@christopheresquire947 indeed. And I'm certain you'd agree, God Bless all of 'em, from I.C. to David W, from Christian Prince to Apostate Prophet, Jay Wood to Al Fadi, Robert Spencer, Brigitte Gabriel, Bill Warner, and so so many others! They are all courageously and from their own angle, beliefs and field of expertise, using logical and historical reasoning and facts to expose islam for what it really is .... in my opinion, the most VILE idealogy ever CONCOCTED in the history of planet Earth. Everyone needs to know this, including our muslim friends.
Was wondering just yesterday when would be your next video
Great content God bless and I know God is using you to touch muslims
8:10 I often point out that the author of the Qur'an was unable to distinguish Holy Scripture from "fan fiction" (e.g., the "Infancy Gospel") written centuries later.
If you work from the traditional chronology oft he Quran, you find out the Muhammad was challenged about Jesus being God, which he had NO IDEA ABOUT, and then a few months later, he suddenly has the Syriac Infancy Gospel--he LITERALLY asked someone on a caravan to collect all the stories they heard about this son-of-god dude lolol
@Qui Creva Sp Okay, this isn't the original one (the original actually had images of the manuscripts in question, or links to them), but here's a paper about it: static1.squarespace.com/static/58e5201546c3c428d6cf07d2/t/58f41d66bebafbe00b6a2849/1492393319219/pericope.pdf
Great Job as always 👏🏻
I see lots of potential for this young man.
Well done bro...
Thanks a lot. May the LORD bless to our warrior in CHRIST!!!
Very well done, I.C. This had never occurred to me before and is a solid argument for the challenge being completed and surpassed in the most ironic of ways. The Qu'ran defeated by it's very own source material. I admit though, I find it irritating that indoctrination will probably nullify this simple but brilliant presentation.
This makes sense Collin, since many of the early Muslim storytellers of the Sira borrowed heavily from Jewish storytelling, to fill in the pre-revelation life of Mohammed, his relatives, parents, and invent childhood miracles for him, and the earliest hadith recorders said so.
I hope you consider getting a Bitchute account as I fear RUclips shutting you down.
@Sunil Sunny I saw it one evening when I was out. It was pinned on a wall. I ripped it down. I think whoever placed it in that public place was wanting to use reverse psychology on the general public, as too many people walk around blindly to the evils of ISLAM
I am hopefull YT will open its eyes to the savagery of islam
((Midrash Hagadol ("The Great Midrash") a midrashic compilation to the entire Torah... was apparently completed in 14th cent.... Unlike the compiler of the Midrash collection Yalkut Shimeoni, *the editor of Midrash Hagadol does not gives his sources* In many instances the legends and expositions in the text are very similar to those recorded in Mohammedan sources.[13]
_
Midrash Hagadol", The Universal Jewish Encyclopedia, 1969, Volume 7, Ktav Publishing House, Inc.: New York, pp. 539-540.
_
Conclusion : The Midrash Hagadol written in 14th century and has NO Refrense to any jewish tradition.
Notice what Jewish Enclyopedia says :
*the editor of Midrash Hagadol does not gives his sources*
*NO Sources Meaning there is no evidense that this belongs to jewish tradition* But dather the writer of this 14th century book is the one who toke sources from islam.
@Sunil Sunny point is the Talmudic text dated to 14 century. While Quran was revealed in 7th century. And author has not revealed any sources
@@raj23x70 Are you smoking crack? This story is derived from Genesis. That is proven to predate Islam. You are truly confused.
I could listen to you talk all day. Your voice is very soothing LOL.
I'm literally in love
Absolutely amazing brother, another nail in the coffin of Islam.
@6:11 onward: Another parallel to *Jesus* - Joseph was innocent yet sentenced as guilty. Of course the Quran will deny any historical prophesy pointing to Jesus.
Written in 14TH Century
The Talmud he is speaking of was AUTHORED in the 14th century
((In several respects, the two major medieval exegetical collections, the Yalqut Shimoni - a collection of rabbinic interpretations of the entire Hebrew bible, which originated in 13th-14th Century Ashkenaz - and the Midrash ha-Gadol - a collection of rabbinic interpretations of the Pentateuch, which was authored in *13th-14th Century Yemen* - are of central relevance with regard to the transfer of tradition(s): on the one hand, these collections, which are intensively received in their respective cultural environment, shed light on the intra Jewish transfer of tradition(s) and their author’s understanding of tradition. On the other hand, they offer the possibility of investigating the extent to which the engagement with other religions (with Christianity in the case of the Yalqut Shimoni and with Islam in the case of the Midrash ha-Gadol) has influenced the intra Jewish understanding of ‘tradition’.))
Source
www.uni-muenster.de/Religion-und-Politik/en/forschung/projekte/c2-22.html
Good job going after the sources of the Quran. This should be your prime focus. The Quran contain a mishmash of stories and traditions (mostly of Christian and Jevvish origin) that were heard by the authors of the Quran yet often were not correctly understood by them. This also apply to names. The Quran is a 5th grade plagiat with an "lsIamic" "Muhammadan" twist. Even the language of the Quran itself is a messy mixture of languages.
Islam Critiqued
You simply don't get
The Talmud was compiled in the 14th and 13th centuries after the Quran's 7th century.
Midrash Yalkut Shimeoni: More than a century ago, Zunz pointed out that the Midrash Yalkut Shimeoni had been compiled in the 13th century CE by Simeon ha-Darshan.[10] This dating is still accepted today. The Encyclopaedia Judaica says:
Yalkut Shimoni, the best known and most comprehensive midrashic anthology, covering the whole Bible. Some scholars (S. J. Rapoport, etc.) claimed that its author and compiler was Simeon Kara, the father of Joseph Kara and a contemporary of Rashi, but A. Epstein showed that there is no basis for this view. He proved that the Simeon mentioned by Rashi is not the compiler of Yalkut and attributed it to a Simeon ha-Darshan, who lived in 13th century.... Zunz dated the Midrash to the 13th century based on the facts that Nathan b. Jehiel of Rome, Rashi, and other 12th century scholars did not know the Yalkut, its use of sources which date at the earliest from the end of the 11th century.... Not all of Zunz's arguments are valid.... but Zunz's view as to its date prevails...[11]
Similarly Epstein inclines to agree
... with Zunz that the author of the Yalkut flourished in the early part of the thirteenth century.[12]
2. Midrash Ha-Gadol: It is the largest of all the midrashic collections. Concerning the dating and the nature of composition The Universal Jewish Encyclopedia says:
Midrash Hagadol ("The Great Midrash") a midrashic compilation to the entire Torah... was apparently completed in 14th cent.... Unlike the compiler of the Midrash collection Yalkut Shimeoni, the editor of Midrash Hagadol does not gives his sources.... In many instances the legends and expositions in the text are very similar to those recorded in Mohammedan sources.[13]
It is universally regarded that David b. Amram of Aden (Yemen) was the author of Midrash Ha-Gadol. David b. Amram is usually dated in the 13th century.[14]
3. Sefer Ha-Yashar: According to the Encyclopaedia Judaica Sefer Ha-Yashar was
... probably written in the 13th century.[15]
Some scholars like J. Dan have suspected that this work was composed only at the beginning of the 16th century in Naples. In support of this idea J. Genot cites the description of Joseph as a Jewish astronomer at a Gentile court, the use of the astrolabe, and contemporary influences on biblical narratives. The Venice edition of Sefer Ha-Yasharappeals to a 1552 printed edition of Naples, which, however, apparently never existed.[16] Concerning the contemporary influences on Sefer Ha-Yashar, Zunz points out the existence of various Arab names in it.[17]
4. Midrash Tanhuma: A detailed discussion about the dating of this book is given elsewhere. It is sufficient to say that this Midrash is dated to the 9th century CE.[18]
5. Midrash Genesis Rabbah: Very briefly, although scholars had claimed that this Midrash was edited in the 6th century CE, it has now been shown that the text of this Midrash was horribly unstable even when in the Middle Ages.[19] Hence, there is no way of identifying what actually constituted the "original" text. There are chapters of Vayishlach, Vayigash, Vayechi etc. that have gone through extensive changes and have been drawn from Tanhuma homilies. Tanhuma homilies themselves were complied in the ninth century CE as stated above.
4. Conclusions
Geiger and others claimed that the Qur'anic story of Joseph, in certain parts, can only be "understood" using the Jewish Midrashic literature. It is clear from the above discussion that Midrash Yalkut, Midrash Ha-Gadol, Sefer Ha-Yashar, Tanhuma and Midrash Genesis Rabbah are either late compilations or are textually unstable. They all reached their final form a few hundred years after the advent of Islam.
@Islam Critiqued, your videos are really informative. Your knowledge of Hebrew is amazing and I'd really like to learn it. Could you recommend some online resources? And btw is Hebrew your first language or did you learn it?
Below is a list of resources from beginning to intermediate. There are also numerous online options, but I'm not current on them so you might want to research them.
www.amazon.com/Beginning-Biblical-Hebrew-Mark-Futato/dp/1575060221/ref=sr_1_1?crid=28P5MHRSKAOC8&keywords=futato%2C+mark+d.+beginning+biblical+hebrew&qid=1574549637&sprefix=futato+hebrew+%2Caps%2C186&sr=8-1
www.amazon.com/Learn-Biblical-Hebrew-Pack-2-0/dp/0310100232/ref=sr_1_7?keywords=zondervan+biblical+hebrew&qid=1574549647&sr=8-7
www.amazon.com/Guide-Biblical-Hebrew-Syntax/dp/1107434963/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=bill+arnold+hebrew&qid=1574549675&sr=8-1#customerReviews
www.amazon.com/Graded-Reader-Biblical-Hebrew-Reading/dp/0310251575/ref=sr_1_2?crid=18Z23RBPE5QA3&keywords=graded+reader+of+biblical+hebrew&qid=1574549724&sprefix=graded+reader+%2Caps%2C160&sr=8-2
www.amazon.com/Old-Testament-Exegesis-Handbook-Students/dp/0664233449
www.amazon.com/Exegesis-Exposition-Practical-Biblical-Hebrew/dp/0801021715/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=hebrew+exegesis&qid=1574550351&s=books&sr=1-2
On Bible software, see here: ruclips.net/video/MLckth9GIfY/видео.html
long time I had to watch a video twice to properly understand it
I was busy sorting DW's, CP's, AP's, RobC's, JSmith, SamS's, BWarner's, and many others thousands of videos on my hard drives and found one of your videos in my DW's folder.
David Wood also made a video this month called "Building an Apologetics Empire in 2020". This brings me to the point that I want to make. Firstly, I don't like what you guys are doing, I LOVE IT !!! I can't get enough. We need hundreds more of you guys even if you address the same things regarding this Islam cult over and over. You each have your own style in doing this amazing work for the WORLD and The LORD. Everybody can't be a CP or a David Wood so every little bit that you can bring to the table is valuable. We have the technology and we must use it to slam this filthy cult into the ground. We as Christians should be careful not to hate the Muslims but what they are following. Most of them are anyway just Muslims in name and hardly know the deep roots of this Islam cult who whats to destroy the world and our lives in the end. Our main goal must always be to win souls for the Kingdom of God and glorify God in everything that we are doing. You can fill in all the rest of the blanks. I salute you guys and pray that God will keep filling you with strength, wisdom, and goodwill to carry on with what you are doing. Let us all stand together to make DW's wish comes true to Build an Apologetics Empire in 2020. Every vote counts in the end. Shalom and Maranatha from a concerned Christian in South Africa.
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I just got the notification and it is already watched by hundreds. Does notifications come to me on foot? 😏😏
There's no way you could ever meet the challenge. Quran is from Allah, so a mere man couldn't even attempt to meet the challenge. The Qur'an has also been perfectly preserved so it is from Allah.
- Abdul
Excellent example of why the challenge verses are meaningless: ruclips.net/video/DIO0rf8loGU/видео.html. On perfectly preserved, you need to catch up. Not even Muslim apologists are claiming that anymore. ruclips.net/video/lH6M-iLVcKM/видео.html
@@IslamCritiqued
Refuted you on the quran not being preserved
I can smoke you as a layman on debate
Give me your discord and wallah lets have a debate
Mr. Spock: Fascinating.
Let them comment. We all need a good laugh.
Another good video.
Your video has strengthened my faith. I remembered the part with the challenge in the quran. And searched for a video that took up the challenge. That is how I came across your video. If this is the best there is, then the quran must be the true word of God. I testify that there is no god but Allah and muhammed is his messenger.
Here’s a whole host of faith strengthening exercises: ruclips.net/p/PLVwt18wNX1gwtNCdaRTHH1sOcRnSOoyKY
ruclips.net/p/PLVwt18wNX1gzAfJWX5i8lDGkd4bq1U_DT
And anyone with common sense knows that a challenge about which you are told how you will respond (Surah 2:24, 17:88) is garbage. If you believe the Quran, you will believe the challenge cannot be met- because it says it can’t be. But that is circular. If you doubt those verses and believe that the challenge could theoretically be met, then you’ve performed an act of apostasy. So which one are you? Do you use circular logic or are you an apostate?
And no, the Quran doesn’t get to borrow material from a bunch of other sources, throw it together, and then say “produce something like what I borrowed.”
What this video is saying, since you missed the point, is that the jews basically WROTE your Quran. All the "divine revelations" are plagiarized from Jewish folklore.
And you're still defending it. 😂😂😂
As someone very well versed in early Rabbinic literature, I have to say that I’m truly relieved and content to see you exposing the false prophet of Islam for the plagiarizer and liar that he was…
You might be interested in this: ruclips.net/p/PLVwt18wNX1gzAfJWX5i8lDGkd4bq1U_DT
@@IslamCritiqued thank you 🙏 appreciated.
Your voice is so soft i can listen to you all day 😊💝
Wouldn’t that be boring!
Islam Critiqued are you joking? Definitely not, i even try to copy you 🙈
I just want biceps like this guy does. But he's also very sure of what he's talking about. he sounds like he's reading a script but his eyes are just locked on the camera. That's awesome.
Many years ago I faced the "produce a surah" challenge so i found an obscure one in the Koran and copied it and shared with the Muslim (cant remember which one as was long ago). Anyway I was told it was rubbish and I shouldnt waste my time as many have tried over 1000years and failed, go figure! Needless to say when I informed the Muslim they dont even recognise their own surah and worse condemn it as rubb. ish I was met with silence 🤷♂️🤣. The challenge in itself is stupid bcos you will be told the only person who can judge is a muslim so u r basically being asked to have a believer debunk their own religion, aint gonna happen 🤣☝️
That is hilarious!
That is genius. I'm gonna use this one next time.
The Quran challenge has already been defeated.
1. The Qur’an says that no one can produce like of the Qur’an [1].
2. The Bab did produce the like of the Qur’an [2].
3. Therefore, the Qur’an challenge is defeated (from 1 and 2).
[1] “Say, ‘If mankind and the jinn gathered in order to produce the like of this Qur'an, they could not produce the like of it, even if they were to each other assistants.’”
Qur’an 17:88, SAHIH INTERNATIONAL
[2] “He revealed more than 100,000 new verses in the style and spirit of the Quran, which his followers firmly believed to have come directly from God.”
Hartz, Paula. "FOUNDATIONS OF THE BAHA’I FAITH." Baha'i Faith. 3rd ed. New York: Chelsea House, 2009. 29. Print.
Thanks, Colin. It is really good to hear your presentation.
Dear Islam Critiqued, Your Critique of Islam is calm, logical, theological, brilliant and long overdue. I highly recommend your channel so more people (both Muslims and non-Muslims) get to know the true backward face of Islam. Having said my humble opinion, I want to ask a somewhat related religious question: Are you a Christian-Zionist? If yes, how do you theologically justify this position, and if no, why not? Thank you and God bless
Didn't Satan meet the challenge (0:43) with the Satanic Verses? Mohammed couldn't tell the difference.
Neither could the regime in Tehran, who declared a fatwah against Salman Rushdie. Rather than handle the Satanic Verses with logic, they only had incitement towards rage, against the author.
Great point!
@@Greg-eq4qn the evidence indicates that you are correct. In the Torah/Old Testament, Yahweh/God issued Ten Commandments. The self proclaimed "prophet" called Mohammed broke most of them. Whoever he was seeing in his dreams, it was definitely not Yahweh/God. In fact it was probably the other of the spectrum.
@@IslamCritiqued, Seems like it's at least worth a heart. There's a video right there.
@DBZ zin93, Satan already gave verses like that, DBZ zin93, and Mohammed couldn't tell the difference. Your hadiths say it happened. Blame them, not me.
hey bro, can you explain what is midrash, is it useful, can we trusted? can you give me link or a book reference?
Great explanation. Thanks
IC, thank you for all the resources. They are very helpful in my learning process. You used to have a Google doc titled A Polemicist’s Guide. I can’t find that any more. Has that been removed? Could I get a copy of that?
Yes, I remove it from old videos as I post new revisions. Always check the most recent videos.
How did Moe get all these sources? The Quran seems to borrow heavily from Jewish sources. I can understand him getting a hold of more popular apocrypha. The Quran even records Moe being "all ears" "he is listening to others" etc. Maybe someone can read and lied about it or who was his informant?
The texts were probably compiled by multiple people over a period of time and only later attributed to "Muhammad."
@@ReasonedAnswers By the texts you mean the Quran itself? Or the hadith?
@@oaktree2406 The Quran itself. I should have said the "texts that make up the Quran" to be clear. There is a reason so much material resembles other writings - the majority of the texts predate Muhammad and were already being circulated (and changed) orally for some time. They got written down over time and someone (or some group) compiled them and attributed it to Muhammad as a way to unify the people to wage war. (Maybe some stuff actually comes from Muhammad, but most existed before him, and none was compiled into a "Quran" until long after he was dead.)
The hadith certainly have nothing to do with the historical Muhammad. They did even start to be written until 200+ years after he died. There are even quotes from very early Muslims lamenting people constantly making up sayings of Muhammad when the knowledgeable people never made any such claims.
@@ReasonedAnswers I tend to disagree. I'm a Christian now but I was a Bahai for a few month's until I studied that cult (this was back in 2007). But I then got into Quran alone-ism for awhile. I studied a little into traditional Islam but from that bias. I surely agree there are a ton of false hadith especially if they are reporting supernatural advents. But there are too many multiple attributed hadiths that seem to carve out a biography of a person a well a the Quran has too many allusions to biographical detail of a lifetime of some false prophet/warlord named Mohamed that believed himself a prophet and his followers did to completely be made up after the fact. I think the general biography of his was true. Perhaps the devil did use him to create false lieing wonders. It's just striking to me not that he used apocrypha like the Infant Gospel etc but the stories he got from medrashim and especially the Talmud. The only reason I can think is he was in communication with an Arab Jew (a Yemenite??)???? Also it makes sense that Moe's family may have been the tribe that was the custodians of the kaaba idol shrine. Choking someone who is a mentally unstable and emotionally stunted (remember his parents and guardians all dieing while he was young). Maybe he got these talmud writings from his days as a trader when he was married to Khadija???
This is incredibly detailed and lucid as usual.
Your content deserves exponentially more views!
Have you ever gotten an intelligent argument in the comments? I fully understand why you ignore most of these, they're ludicrous.
I’ve gotten a recent couple of comments that are completely ignorant, misunderstanding or misrepresenting what I say. One Muslim said that all jewish tradition originated when it was written. No tradition was passed on, only to be written later. He said this so he could choose the latest possible dates for the writing of the Jewish sources, and then say that’s when the legends started, to say the Quran was not borrowing from them. So a Jewish source written in the 9th century could NOT be passing on earlier tradition! Of course, it’s not the same with Islamic sources. Those do pass on earlier tradition. How convenient for him. The argument in this video is that the story is of JEWISH ORIGIN. That’s why I spend so much time in the Hebrew talking about rabbinic exegesis. They don’t get it...
@@IslamCritiqued Wow. I think I saw at least one of his comments. And tried pointing out that this traces back to Genesis, but I don't expect he'll listen. Have you ever done a debate, or had any offers? That seems like it could be a "watershed" event. You stick to facts, which seems to be the main weakness of Muslim apologists.
@@IslamCritiqued The *roots* of the story do trace back to the reference you make in Genesis, or did I misunderstand that?
The "roots" are rabbinic exegesis. The rabbis find stereotypical ways to read between the lines. The Joseph story in the Quran has those marks as well. It is very reasonable to conclude the story is of Jewish origin. Otherwise, the "word of Allah" just so happens to look like rabbinic exegesis.
@@IslamCritiqued OK, I see what you mean. It seems like the same excuse is being used there as was presented when you addressed the Syriac Alexander legend. Being generous with some dates and quite miserly with others.
Love watching your videos your voice is very sudden God blessed your work.
Wow! The Quran and its author. What a religion.
Im currently reading Jesus and the eyewitnesses by richard bauckham and im planning to read Fabricating Jesus by craig evans. I was wondering whether you have any thoughts on them and what you think of “why are there differences between the gospels” by licona
Love all three! Sharp scholars.
Great work. God bless you.
The irony is that the story of Joseph is probably the most accurately rendered Biblical narrative you'll find in the Koran, yet it's still completely and utterly butchered beyond recognition.
0:45 the challenge has been set to produce a verse like it. I'm expecting great things, my friend. As a warmup, I'm remembering Psalms 23 and Isaiah 9:6 as easy verses that overcome any quranic verse
Quranic challenge has to be answered in Arabic, so yeah......
@@arifralf1982 that's why it is invalid, finite, and lacks applicability. Its a little child playing all by himself because he refuses in fear and cowardice to integrate with society and play fair.
@@mywebidutube don't worry, your not the 1st nor will u be the last in criticising the challenge but failing 2 answer it, because that's all that people can do.
Btw the Quran challenge still stands!
@@arifralf1982 for you.
Challenge has to be answered in Arabic. I wrote this in my 1st comment but I'm pretty sure u "missed" it like most apologists do.
Great work as always, please keep it going! Such great information. Islam Critiqued have you heard of BRIGHTEON as an alternative free speech platform to RUclips?
How did you get an English source of Midrash HaGadol? I am unaware of an English translation of it.
Translation of relevant sections: www.amazon.com/Potiphars-House-Interpretive-Biblical-Texts/dp/0674445635
was this particular sura the one that the challenge refers to?
Allah left his challenge utterly unqualified. The challenge is simply to produce a revelation like the ones the messenger is reciting.
@@IslamCritiqued Which has been done...repeatedly. It's honestly a bit of a mess, especially the later ones, which largely drop the pretense of literature and just have ranting.
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@@IslamCritiqued ;
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In Genesis 39: 3 we see that Potifer was Pharoah's captain of the guard. He didn't need a private prison in his house. Potifer had access to the "royal" prison. As we see later Joseph was in the same prison as people who personally displeased Pharaoh.
Another little bit of advice I would give you is rather than being at loggerheads with Muslims and confronting and arguing etc on which story is right...
It would be better and easier if you were to approach or if you were approached by a fellow American (presuming you are American), who reverted to Islam to answer your questions or have a debate with you... you would have a lot more common ground because he can relate to you as most of the time they used to be Christians and he can detail with pinpoint accuracy as to what made him change his opinion and belief.. I have seen this method work with my own eyes.. I am a Muslim from the UK but I am of Indian origin and when I try to have a debate or a conversation with somebody else with a different nationality and different religion it’s very hard to get through to each other ...
but I have seen white English Christian reverts to Islam , achieve more success when it comes to speaking with someone who is also English white etc
Similarly there are thousands of people white, American reverts who would be happy to share their experience with you..
I hope you understood what I’m trying to say and do not take offence as generally I don’t like to label people.
good luck.
I heard this story from a Muslim friend back when I was maybe 12 years old about the assembly of women seeing Joseph and cutting their hands, I knew the story in Genesis and even then I thought it strange that the Quran added that detail but I didn't think much of it, I didn't know however that the Quran goes an extra step and tries to smooth out the story by having Potiphar cozy up to Joseph and say, "I know it's the nasty assembly of women who did this" This is clearly a deliberate attempt on Muhammad's part to try and smooth over and present Joseph in a positive light (the same way Muslims in the past have told me that the story about David and Bathsheba is a corruption by Jews when in actuality leaving out such a story is what would actually be corruption) but the narrative in the Quran is completely nonsensical if Joseph *still* ends up in jail. If Potiphar knows he's innocent why does he still get punished? Talk about completely ruining the point and continuity of the entire story.
Exactly
Never heard of innocent people ending up in jail?
He did not really bring any proof.
Those are three different incident, the first incident is the wife of the minister trying to seduce Joseph, he doesn't fall on seduction where he caught up by the door. They took a judge from the minister side and he found the wife guilty. So the minister said to Joseph not to mention the story to anyone.
Second incident is the ladies gathered and cutting there hands.
Third incident the wife of the minister because Joseph did not fall to her, she claimed that he commited the crime and was imprisoned.
The story of ladies agreeing that Joseph was innocent was after he spent 7 years in jail, after the interpretation of the king's dreams.
The origin is the same from the most high God, the God of Moses Joseph and all prophets.
@@europg81 Did Potiphar know Joseph was innocent or no?
@@choicemeatrandy6572 read Surah Yusuf, yes the minister the husband of the lady trying to seduce Joseph in the islamic text did know he was innocent
@@europg81 So why did he throw him in jail if he knew he was innocent?
Collin I don't know how you have the patience to deal with these intellectually challenged Muslims...
@@lilhammad9214 give me verses where quran says earth is spherical and orbits sun. I'll be waiting.
@@lilhammad9214 i asked for verses supporting your claim didn't ask for opinions.
@@lilhammad9214 what happened to those verses? You quick to comment with B.S.
@@lilhammad9214 so you can't find them and want me to waste my time. Why do i need Google when i have your quran. I don't ask questions i don't have answers already.
@@lilhammad9214 i suggest you ask Allah for verses and if he's busy maybe your Sheikh or Imam can help you out. I'll expect those verses to be posted.
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Abraham sacrifices Isac or Ismael?
Diferences of story in quran and Bible.
If God is testing Abraham on his faith, isnt He testing him on the most loved one son? The one brought to life from his wife trom God’s promise.
«And he said, Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, Whom THOU LOVEST , and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of.»
Genesis 22:2 KJV
It Abraham wanted another son he was very able to have others with slaves but from doing that with Agar( a sin for not standing in God’s promise ) God did’t spoke to Abraham for 13 years.
But muslims need Isamel to justify muhamed.
Keep up good work☺️✌🏻
More great stuff.
This meeting of the challenge won't be countered head-on.
The typical response I would expect from a Muslim apologist against this evidence is to re-interpret the 'produce one like it' challenge *just for the sake of this argument*, then drop that interpretation whenever this subject is not likely to be brought up.
'One interpretation for thee, not for me...'
Isn't the midrash eisegesis, not exegesis? Eisegesis is when you read something into the text as opposed to deduce something from the text, right? I'm new to these words and I want to make sure I understand their implications.
In many cases, yes.
@@IslamCritiqued Thank you for helping me expand my vocabulary.
muslim reaction: 'islam is right because allah told me so'
Pin Point or the popular one these days: it doesn’t say that in ( insert reliable source)
It’s called circular reasoning and it’s amazing that Muslims are OK with that type of reasoning
Blessed
Sad so many actually defend the quran as legitimate when there is so much evidence to the contrary.
Only about 30% of the content of the Quran is unborrowed.
Id say 50% of quran is repetitive.
Are those the verses where Muhammad is demanding special treatment compared to everyone else?
Amazing disclaimer at the start. I am tired of Muslim commenting points on a video that refutes their point. I just ignore those people because they clearly do not like evidence and truth they are on a happiness quest
I saw a guy saying that the word Pharaoh wasn’t a thing around Joseph’s time in the Quan corrected the Bible and said king instead of pharaoh and the money used the Bible wasn’t a thing until hundred of year after how do you respond to that
@@megamillion2461 Lmao so? We didnt have a word for Iron in ancient times but that doesn't mean when translating for a modern audience we can't change the word so people can understand it. The key is that the meanjng of the text is preserved and the meaning and message of the Bible has not change for at least 3000 years
@@kneo12 I just searched it up and the word pharaoh and it stared to be used around 1539-1292 and there are a a ton of different results when Joseph was in Egypt some say 1830-1750 and some say around 1500 can you do me a favor and look at the Hebrew word of that verse
@@kneo12 what do you say
@@megamillion2461 Lmao they just used a different word and when they translated the Bible into English they used the word pharoah so people today could understand the Bible. The meanings still the same. Its like translating from English to Chinese. As long as the meaning is the same it doesn't really matter. Its not that hard to understand
I could not follow the exegesis which led to the Midrash interpretation. I had trouble connecting the dots between the biblical text and the interpretations, and I have a BA in religion, so I am not ignorant of these processes. Maybe I missed something in the video, but I will say I was confused.
@Smidlee What I was confused about was how the Midrash writers got from the Bible to their interpretation, not the Quran.
John Beavers If you substitute “words” in place of “matters” in one of the Bible verses (because the Hebrew root is the same so they’re interchangeable), you can thus be led to believe a conversation must have happened. That was the origin. Watch the video with close attention to the Hebrew switch-aroo. Colin covered it kind of fast.
@@CandanceIsMyName I got that, but then he said that "words" meant the silent conversation Joseph had with himself, as far as I could tell.
That's correct, then the commentators filled in Joseph's missing "words." Also there was tension about there being men around, then not being men around, the curious switch to the plural...etc. With rabbinic interpretation, you're often looking for perceived cracks or holes in the story that they can fill in. Pretty standard stuff. What we see in the story is indisputably Jewish in origin, not Islamic. Muslims would want to argue the latter to avoid allegations of borrowing.
I can’t believe you’re wearing Haley Hanson Wow! So
RUclips drunk again? Video posted: 3 min.
Pinned comment: 3 days ago.
Either way, God bless
Nope. I leave the videos up for a couple days before releasing for review purposes.
@@IslamCritiqued ah ok, thanks for clarification.
Why would Muhammad's contemporaries compose poesy equal to, if not transcending, the pagan dirge he espoused ? He had them murdered.
The truth is almost anyone can recite or compose far superior ideas in word play than found in that ridiculous, repetitious Qu'ran.
Excellent
Which mic do you use?
Correct me if I'm wrong but I think the Midrash connection to the Quran was first made by John Rodwell, a friend of Charles Darwin, in 1861.
It's interesting you quote Kugel to make your point, someone who would begin teaching his courses saying, "If you come from a religious tradition upholding the literal truth of the Bible, you could find this course disturbing." What do you make of this statement?
“Literal” is a useless word for biblical translation and interpretation.
It happened a lot to whoever wrote (read: edited) the Qur'an. The incoherence seen in many surahs, often even containing illogical content in the same ayah, is a good indicator for the credibility of the book. The story of Joseph is described in much detail in Genesis, but still the Qur'an is wrong about it.
It is a good observation that mohammed had a problem with facts and tradition. Interesting fact is that muslims today still have a problem with facts and tradition. Tradition often prevails over what the Qur'an actually says. And many muslims don't even know it.
Momad himself said that he thought he was Demon Possessed!
He was!
The being that Muslims call Allah which is Arabic for god is actually SATAN masquerading as God!
Jack This Out Regarding the dream Joseph had in Genesis 37, why is it fulfilled in the Quran and not fulfilled in the Bible? Maybe could be a bad prophecy ???
@@alidwanamaybe selective reading on your part. As usual.
@@alidwanayou're not very smart
I don’t understand your argument. You’re saying that the Quran tells the same story as in the bible but less detailed? What about that?
It is called plagiarism.
Facebook is an addiction it’s called „confirming what came before it“
"You’re saying that the Quran tells the same story as in the bible but less detailed?" Precisely the opposite. It incorporates details not found in the Bible. These details arose via rabbinic exegesis.
Did you even watch the video??
@@IslamCritiqued but quran is correcting the bible and Talmud. 😉😉
If there is one God. And if he is the author of 3 books of 3 very different time. Then all the past event/history has to be similar. It doesn’t mean one book is derived from other.
Very good.
Sir I am a Muslim but your not religiously educated to analyze these articles. Since all religions are from God what is the problem of repeating these stories in different religions. Your RUclips was discussing if it is possible to write articles like the Quran can you
Since when does Islam teach that all religions are from god?
@@IslamCritiqued it does teach that. But the curption that Islam is referring to is due to the many sources of writing the Bible. Did Jesus receive a Bible from God. No his followers wrote it in different forms that's a curption. Since Jesus was the only teacher to all of them then why is there different bibles. Did Moses receive a Torah from God no then who wrote the Torah and why is there many scriptures. In Islam we are ordered to believe in all gods religions
" it does teach that." prove it.
Well done! Islam is in steep decline.... what else could happen given the rise of readily available information?
I know this is tedious work, but it's necessary. God bless you
How can i get in contact with you? i have made some discoveries regarding islamic sources that no other scholar seems to have connected before
IC's email is listed in the description of most of his videos.
That's good 👍
None may change Allah's words. The Quran affirms the Torah and the Gospels, which are also Allah's words. But the Torah and the Gospels have been corrupted, because the Quran does not match what the Torah and the Gospels say. So, Allah's words have been changed. Muslims have a serious problem.
Islam acknowledges christianity and Judaism
And it relates stories that happened in the past
Mohammed didn’t go to school neither he knew writing / reading .
So you are right their might be similar stories in Quran and bible , that doesn’t mean that it was copy pasted by Mohammed from the other books.
Infact that should be a point of reassurance as Quran tells you about same incidents which you already have in ancient scriptures which have many versions modified by different people
Quran has only one version from last 14 centuries despite of many attempts to creat other versions .
Hope you get my point.
It's not nearly that simple: ruclips.net/video/5C8guidRqko/видео.html; ruclips.net/video/7cuTkCGbVlE/видео.html. You don't get to mistake rabbinic exegesis for history and call it divine revelation. I see cheap responses like yours all the time and they completely fail to grasp the problem.
@@IslamCritiqued . I didn’t reply to abuse you or hurt your feelings
Before you critique Islam you have to learn some Arabic in order not to rely on translations .
Cheers.
@@azizovich85 religion of copypaste and footnotes.😂😂
So the Quran emprisonnent version is illogical because it doesn’t fit the Old Testament narrative. I mean if it did, you may as well be a Muslim. Right? 😆 speaking of logic. I mean you’re cross checking it with the same Genesis where the story of Lot daughters getting their father drunk, sleeping with him and getting pregnant is not alluded . You think it’s logical that the prophet of Gob be humiliated by his daughters in a such way? Or the prophet of God offering his daughters to a Sodomite gang to be raped is more logical than the narrative of the Quran where he invite the sodomite to intermarry. استغفر الله
That summary displays comprehension at the level of a child, which is appropriate for someone whose prophet slept with one. Feel free to follow your book, which gives you an unhistorical, sanitized version of "prophets" cobbled together from fragmented knowledge of the Bible and later legends. But don't criticize the moral failings of real life people when your prophet is portrayed as a filthy ignoramus in your own sources. If you need examples, I can give you dozens.
First and foremost it shows how sincere and good person you are by the thumbnail that you put on that you are a hate preacher and insulting and making mockery of the prophet Muhammad ( peace and blessings be upon him)
By putting the picture on your thumbnail.
And you will never find these in among the practicing true Muslims that makes mockery of any of the other prophets as like Jesus, and many other prophets (pbbuh).
The challenge in the Qur'an is not about what you've said you lied or misunderstood completely, but rather is about the language form That is in that even though most of the Arab at that time were masters in their language and were poets and there were different types of speeches in the language when the Qur'an came down to prophet Muhammad (pbbuh) and the poets heard the verses of the Qur'an they were shocked because it was a complete unique different form of the Arabic language that didn't fit any of those forms that were already there it didn't match! so the challenge is about the unique eloquent of the Arabic language.
So To challenge it or to imitate you have to do PHD in Arabic language then try and imitate the Qur'an.
And this is the challenge to those who doesn't believe that Qur'an is the words of Allah (the only one true God)
Then says try and produce imitate a chapter like it and then Allah says you will never be able to.
Now you're going to give your own interpretation of the challenge verses: ruclips.net/video/DIO0rf8loGU/видео.html.
You do make a mockery out of the God Jesus by saying he is just a prohpet and that he never died for our sins. You blaspheme God, which is much worse than mocking muhammed the pedophile.
this video is telling you that the jews basically WROTE your Quran and you're still defending it. Everything is all plagiarized from Jewish folklore. You Abduls really have your heads far up Muhammed's ass 😂😂😂
Gonna need a sensu for that one.
So true
Well done mate at least you have the decency to compare a story which is very similar in nature from the Quran and the Bible, which shows that you are seeking the truth and you are somewhat at least sincere.. unlike most of the videos on RUclips now where I see insults thrown at each other , accusations, swearing which is disgusting...
What we forget nowadays is the common beliefs that bind us are far greater than the differences...
we all believe in God, we all believe in Adam, Eve, Noah, Abraham, Joseph, Jonah, Jesus, David, Solomon etc.. we believe in righteousness we believe in not lying we believe in doing good looking after our neighbours and trying to save our fellow human beings from the eternal fire..
let’s hope everyone follows your example instead of throwing insults and picking up petty things just to make someone suffer..
as a Muslim obviously I disagree with you but at least you are decent enough not to throw insults.. you obviously have your interpretation and your own opinion and you’re entitled to them and I hope that God guides you to the truth like he has guided me...
The problem is, you're following the wrong path. If Muhammed is plagiarizing Jewish folklore, as this video shows, then he's not getting revelations from the one true God. Therefore he cannot be a prophet of said God. You're being led astray by a false prophet