To think that it would be a Word Bearer out of all Legions to become BFFs with the Custodes. Just goes to show just special Argel was... shame how it ended though aye What isn't a shame is fixing your shenanigans with Athletics Greens : www.athleticgreens.com/majorkill Why not pick up a Major Miniature while you are at it : www.majorminis.com.au/
why do i get the feeling that a story about a chaos marine that knows that hes wrong and kinda actas as anti villain whenever he feels like it might seeeeeeeeeeeeeellllllllll?
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Custodians: "Wait... so you're telling us...a platoon of demi-god super-soldiers of herculean power AND one of our custodians got overwhelmed by... a local force of planetary tribesmen? And you lost 90% of the expeditionary force....?" Word Bearers: "Thaaaaat's what I'm telling you." Custodians: "Absolutely reasonable. No further explanation necessary!"
“We’re definitely on the wrong side kharne” kharne replied with, “how can you say that?” “Because both sides are wrong” When argel tal said this in betrayer he might’ve become my favorite character in 40K
“Great space marine” complicit in the greatest act of betrayal and bloodshed. Kills fellow space marines. Betrays his oath. Fuck Erebus but I’m glad he killed that demon fuck
Khárn and Erebus’ duel was so fucking good. Especially how even the other World Eaters were shocked at how much he changed after Argel Tal’s death. It’s genuinely sad because it was Argel Tal who would keep Khárn as focused as possible and as human as a traitor World Eater can be. Erebus genuinely ruins everything.
Best boy out of Word Bearers. There is something special about that he knows and realises how f*cked up this galaxy and the gods, but still serving in the name of his primarch. And the fact that he felt regret after he killed the loyalists and Custodes makes him even more badass.
i mean, it's good that Argel Tal at least feels bad about all the horrible shit he's doing, but he's still doing horrible shit and not once did his moral qualms actually stop him from doing horrible shit, so i don't think that's worth too much
Argel Tal also knew Sevatar and they mutually respected each other. Before the Dropsite Massacre Argel's speech inspired Sevatar to shout "Death to the False Emperor" which became the traitor's motto. However during the Dropsite Massacre, Sevatar saw Argel Tal's demon form and was disgusted. When the battle ended Argel wanted to pay respect to Sevatar by shaking hands and Sevatar spat at him.
(Excerpt: The First Heretic) Vendatha the awesome Custodian! Lorgar was at ease, his muscles loose. He actually expected his offer of truce to hold some weight, and that lapse in judgement was enough for Vendatha to take the chance. He pulled the haft-trigger, and his spear’s underslung bolter cracked off a stream of rounds on full-auto. Argel Tal saw it coming. The swords of red iron smashed the first three bolts aside, their power fields strong enough to detonate the shells as they streaked towards the primarch’s heart. The explosions threw the captain to the ground, his grey armour scraping along the stone with the shriek of offended ceramite. Vendatha was already in motion. The golden warrior leapt at the primarch, guardian spear spinning in his fists, an oath to the Emperor on his lips. Four Word Bearers blocked his path, and those four Word Bearers had to die. Rikus was the first to fall. The Custodian’s blade crunched into the soft, jointed armour at the Chaplain’s throat, punching from the back of his neck. Tsar Quorel died next, decapitated with a buzzing sweep of the energised blade, dead before he’d pulled his trigger. Deumos managed to fire a stream of bolt shells, none of which connected. Vendatha weaved left, thudded the base of his spear into the Chapter Master’s bolter, knocking it aside, and followed with a cutting swing that sheared both the Word Bearer’s hands from his body, severing them at the forearms. Deumos had a scarce moment to draw in a stunned gasp before the spear sliced again, this time cleaving through his collarbone and spine, ripping his head free. Vendatha span the blade in his hands, letting it come to rest with the tip and gun barrel aimed at Lorgar’s heart again. Behind the Custodian, the bodies crashed to the ground in slow succession. Three seconds had passed.
Such power. To humans, Chaos and Imperial alike, transhumans such as space marines, custodes, and even mechanicum adepts are viewed with awe, adoration and respect. But the Eldar see them as absolute abominations. Who would transform himself into a monster? Interesting perspective. The Emperor made weapons of mass destruction in the shape of men, and with their hands they wrought mankind's doom.
I find it interesting that Erebus and Kor both note that they had to keep Lorgar away from Argel Tal because Lorgar already had doubts about spreading the truth about chaos and with Argel by his side he almost certainly wouldn't have done it. It's also funny that of the three Argel was the only one Lorgar actually liked and Lorgar had sent Erebus and Kor to Calth to die. Hell even in 40k some word bearers hate Erebus for striking "down the legion's brightest star"
Getting a video about how each of the pre-heresy primarchs would react to being in Guillimans situation would be pretty cool ngl seeing their different ruling styles would be great
@@certifiedsexhaver8400 Book 24 Betrayer, by Aaron Dembski-Bowden. I would read First Heretic and Aurelian first if you haven't, they are great and give great background.
I actually thought Argel Tal was going to betray the Word Bearers in the end. It is very obvious that he questioned almost everything about the Heresy and that he only ended up serving because of Lorgar, all the time questioning his loyalty to him, as he saw Lorgar descend deeper and deeper into madness.
And now I see why Malcador chose loyalist astartes from traitor legions for his knights errants. Their loyalty to the emperor was THAT strong even if they're wired to be loyal to their primarchs .
@@rayhanmustakim7073 unlikely. But i have a interesting idea My headcanon is that had argal kill erebus with raums advice,argal would resolve himself to find kharn and do something involving finding a way out of the bullshit going on My idea is that if this happened,argal and kharn would rally those astartes or others not desiring to help either and create there own mini faction to protect
@@rayhanmustakim7073 possibly. Tbh itd be quite the interesting turnout that argal through raum figures out how to purify daemons partially,being one of the few beings able to calm the warp or parts of it
@@zacharyhernandez1483 Yeah.it's unfortunate how badlyu he misread Ferrus saying that he didn't understand. That was Ferrus trying to offer sympathy and saying that he didn't know, I love how autistic the primarchs can be at times. yes i like the black templars too.
The most interesting revelation from Argel’s story is that the reason it is called The Imperial Truth is that it is not reality, it is the reality The Emperor seeks to create, although he claims it is reality. The Wordbearers, per their name, see themselves as bearing the weight of the Actual reality of the cosmos for better or worse, and therefore see the emperor, not as a visionary, but as a liar, ignoring the fact that this reality can be changed.
If you ever read a chaos character refer to the emperor as a liar, this is the lie they are referring to, and the unspoken debate that is occurring: should the nature of the universe be accepted, or should we seek to change the entire universe to align with our beliefs? As a result of this debate Lorgar is both the most and least logical character is 40k, acting in accordance to the facts, but ignoring their context.
I'm not convinced the Emperor's plan would ever have worked. We know more than he does about Chaos' origins in the War In Heaven, and therefore it is obvious from our outside perspective that Chaos draws its power and nature from man's emotions and deeds (and those of the Eldar, and the countless races that went extinct during the War), not his beliefs alone (although belief is an action, and therefore is still useful to Chaos). No one believed Chaos into existence, but rather it reflected the cruel actions of the denizens of the galaxy unto one another, and their anguish fuelled it. The Emperor evidently did not understand this, because he became the single greatest perpetrator of suffering in the history of the galaxy in the course of his "Great Crusade". No other individual has come close to causing as much destruction and carnage as he has.
Possessed Argel was bigger than a Primarch and dual wielded Custodes weapons. Now imagine that guy with the blessing of the 4 chaos gods and a Primarch weapon as the chad version of the warmaster of chaos, probaby actual Primarch-tier. PS: Argel Tal's FW mini is just badass.
While not technically chaos per se, Fabius Bile is amazing in his trilogy. Josh Reynolds does a lot to humanize him without taking away from the monster that he is.
Huh. Never expected to find this point in 40k, but; Argel's life is one of the best possible *counters* to the phrase "If it can be destroyed by the truth, it deserves to be."
I swear, his self analysis about not knowing if his loyalty to Lorgar was genetic or genuine was so spot on. Based on his personality Argal was betrayed by himself, he wasn’t a bootlicker, that’s why he betrayed his friends (the custodians) for his father even though he didn’t like what his father was doing.
I think the chaos marines are more human than loyalists, and not from an edgy teen standpoint. They really see the truth, the loyalists for the most part are still completely blind. Think about 50% of traitor legion having to be purged and the perspective they would have, but knowing loyalists would just mow them down...
Although all three seek to understand the universe, a scientist seeks to change reality, a priest, to align himself with it. A soldier seeks to understand which of the two to serve.
As much as I'd love to see Argal come back, I think a really good character arc for Kharn right now would be him deciding to take revenge on Erebus after all this time, gathering allies that also despise Erebus to kill the Word Bearer. Hell make it a massive plot twist as Kharn slowly regains more and more of his sanity until the climatic fight where upon killing Erebus, he becomes something like a mix of his old and khornite personalities, seeking to fight the best out there but doing so in a more honourable and strategic way then just kill main burn. Be pretty interesting and make Kharn a much more compelling character again. Hell it's not even that much of a stretch to think Khorne may put his avatar on this path, perhaps sick of Erebus shit and lack of honour as well as seeing it as a step towards making Kharn the ultimate warrior.
@@adrienwatson2179 Kharn is one of those Chaos Aligned characters that still has a lot of potential for the story and universe but is being shafted to suit a niche. Say Lucius, dude doesn't much room to grow or change as he was always an arrogant man that believed no one could best him, or Erebus who has had his heyday as the one responsible for the Horus Heresy and many parts within it, but since then has been more or less relegated to background character since he simply can't do what he used to with the same effect. Kharn is unique since he had a very distinct personality for a World Eater, and what with how his personal damnation happened, while his fighting prowess has certainly heightened, he is far from what you could consider the perfect warrior, which is the exact kind of thing Khorne would love to see. After all, sure, he was an amazing fighter, but there is bunch of other pre-heresy aspects to him that really set him apart from the regular World Eater that, in my mind, is why Khorne decided to choose him of all astartes. And what better way to improve his champion's capabilities now his devotion is assured then to have him claim his vengeance for the murder of his best friend which inevitably would require Kharn to make use of his more intrinsic personality traits?
@@mitchmitting102 Agreed on all accounts They wasted his potential for sure. Remember when he captured a Thousand Sons Marine on Prospero? That was an amazong scene as Kharn slowly tried to maintain his sanity
@@adrienwatson2179 Personally, I don't entirely mind the direction they took with Kharn, but rather the fact they have done nothing with it. Sure, being a mindless berserker is interesting for a little, but it's more the fact he has gone no where with it other than to be one of the best killers in 40K. In my eyes however, it does paint an excellent landscape for his later potential for thousands of years of killing all being to ensure his otherworldly skills in combat as well as his devotion to Khorne. That's why I hope something along these lines happens to make Kharn a player in 40k again. Between Magnus and the Thousand Sons getting up to shit again, the Plague Wars with the Death Guard and Fabius Bile continuing to do his thing, I feel like Khorne and the forces of Undivided (*cough cough* Alpha Legion and Iron Warriors *cough cough*) need a real spot light, and for Khorne? What better way then the Betrayer getting his vengeance for the betrayal of Argal and becoming a leading Khornite leader like he should be?
Erabus is my favorite Chaos Astartes, he is the only one who isn’t a traitor but always worked for Chaos, and I admire that he went through all that training just to fuck with the Empire, he doesn’t care about army shit. And when he saw emps he thought “I want to dismember you like a bug” while everyone else pooped their pants
@@paimonisfood4986 Erebus succeeded though what with the emperor being a Halloween decoration in the 41st millennium. A flaming sword isn't the only way to win a fight and the emperor would know that better than anybody since he schemes and lies about as much as tzeentch.
@@kellerblair2952 literally the imperial truth was a lie and it was practically the catalyst for all events during the horus heresy. If the emperor would have told the primarchs about chaos, they may have been able to combat it
@@FeatherResonance With faith in the emperor slowly becoming an actual special ability for the Imperium I think it would not just his sword that wins battles. Also a lot of the lies and schemes made by the Emperor were in the end intended to work for humanity's favor unlike Tzeentch who just do it to further chaos's goals which is definitely not ideal for any human.
Argel being able to maintain a level head for years with an increasingly heretical primarch who you have a genetic loyalty to and a literal demon inside him for decades meanwhile fulgrim being the pinacle of human bioengineering and warp magic falls to a falic blade that just tells him hes not good enough is so funny
I love this character. I picked the Word Bearers as my first army partialy because of him. But you forgot to mention how he dualwielded two Custodian Weapons.
As for the transformation and possession the 7 months in the Warp was actually 7 seconds which Lorgar told Argel tal in a confused look as he was listening to the confessions of what they had to do to survive
There's a short story in the Mark of Calth book that follows another member of the Gal Vorbak who goes rogue after 7 years of fighting underground. It's really interesting and worth checking out if you like Argel Tal. The First Heretic and that story convinced me that a spinoff game of Warhammer 40k: Space Marine where you play as a rogue Gal Vorbak who can temporarily go demon mode in combat and travel around through the warp trying to unravel its mysteries while occasionally dropping onto random planets in real space and slaughtering loyalists would be sick as fuck
I feel they killed Argyl off cuz he has a lot of parallels with the White Scar's Khan. Such as dual wielding, Resistance mentally to manipulation, wisdom, pragmatic. They are extremely similar in different settings
I hope they make a new book series where, maybe if Ghazghkull defeats Angron and a large amount of Khorne’s real space influence, Khârn can shake off some of his lucidity and go find Rum if he’s still around to try and get Argel back, and help him become the badass character he was before
@@Ray-yv7kn well if Angron doesn’t die Khorne’s influence can still be weakened, also giving a justification for Angron’s promotion to plot device punching bag
Raum and argel tal was I believed completely fused with his daemon Raum so if he is still around so would argel it would be a cathartic experience seeing kharn Champion of khorne and argel more daemon then man at this point
Best scene in Warhammer lore, at least top 10: Angron making fun of Argel-Tal and the word Bearers, then slapping Argel-Tal down when he got all butthurt about it. Telling ya, I was crying for days, especially cuz the audio book was so damn perfectly voiced acted.
Argel Tal is the reason I somehow like the word bearers. Thanks to him, I understand how the WB think and why they turned traitor. Sadly the other main characters of them are just boring villains. But argel Tal is so dope, he carry the whole legion
@@renandronico4235 In Fantasy, he can school the Vampires of Sylvania and even set things straight there or wipe them out. In 40k, he might have to work for the Radical Inquisitor who would be pragmatic to work with him and impress him enough that they retain their humanity when fighting monsters.
These daemons specifically the one bonded to argal. Had to be unique daemons. A rarity of what ever thoughts and parts of the gods collective worships it created with. I wonder why the daemon bonded so well
The more I learn about the Horus Heresy, the more I learn that the Emperor and the Custodes were actually really bad at running a crusade and an empire.
The lore is amazing... and ironic. Word Bearers turned traitor, for worshipping the Emperor, yes. But they also foiled themselves in the attempt. Cyrene was Argel Tal's "confessor." But after Cyrene Valantion died and was resurrected by Argel Tal, she became a perpetual and a loyalist. If you read the book where Lorgar tries to kill Horus, Lorgar is led by a blind, masked woman. It's pretty clear this is none other than Cyrene, luring Lorgar into a fight he can't win, and taking the Word Bearers out of the very rebellion they started. Brilliant!
Based on how the Emperor and Lorgar argue on the ruins of Monarchia (The first heretic) I just can't follow why Argel Tal would even like Lorgar after that....
I really do think that if both argul and Kharn could of gotten thr fuck away from their fathers early in the heresy both could of been redeemed and brought back to the loyalists
A always found it amusing that you seem to hate chaos, and aren't what most people would find wholesome, and Weshammer is a teddy bear that seems to love them.
This is how Traitor Marines should be IMHO, you can believe someone like Argel could be a real threat. Lucius couldn't organise a picnic, even if the main course was deep throat.
Major mini ideas A trazyn the infinite style thingo or an Argel tal proxy. Because 2 of warhammers greatest characters should not be trapped in citadel finecast and forge world resin
In a way, it's fitting that a man who was half daemon was one of the most human Space Marines; after all, daemons are tiny fragments of the Chaos Gods, and Chaos Gods are, at this point, mostly fueled by humanity's psychic gestalt. In the end, a daemon is a little fragment of exactly the thinga that make us human.
"If there's anything we know about Warhammer, it's that Erebus-" 200% subverted my expectation, I deadass thought MajorKill was about to follow that up with a Catholic Pedophile Joke, but then again it is only like two and a half minutes into the video so I suppose he has to keep it tame for the first few minutes to please the RUclips's Google overlords.
Cadia for 10k years an Imperial Bastion of Defiance, before that... Galaxy's Weirdest Strip Club. Also Obligatory asking Majorkill for a Mini of the late Old Man of Armageddon. Or Cowboy Ironstriders for the Skitarri Ranch.
As they brought bakk the blessed lady they should bring bakk argel and make him reunite with karn and breaking him out of the 10 000 years of blood craze dat would be sooo awsome!!!!!
I think Argel Tal is probably the most Aussie-accent-compatible name in all of 40k…unless there is a space marine named Chicken Parmy that I’m not aware of.
My introduction into 40k was the book " the first heretic " saw it in the book store and wanted to try something new. this character holds a special place for me
To think that it would be a Word Bearer out of all Legions to become BFFs with the Custodes.
Just goes to show just special Argel was... shame how it ended though aye
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Kratos vs 40k would be a good way to catch the remaining hype for God of War Ragnarok
why do i get the feeling that a story about a chaos marine that knows that hes wrong and kinda actas as anti villain whenever he feels like it might seeeeeeeeeeeeeellllllllll?
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Custodians: "Wait... so you're telling us...a platoon of demi-god super-soldiers of herculean power AND one of our custodians got overwhelmed by... a local force of planetary tribesmen? And you lost 90% of the expeditionary force....?"
Word Bearers: "Thaaaaat's what I'm telling you."
Custodians: "Absolutely reasonable. No further explanation necessary!"
"You think we are stupid? You all will be purged"
Argel Tal: "He aint lying bro"
"Oh ok Understandable"
"uhhh, the Custodies tripped and fell down some stairs"
@@VampireNewl damn again... too much body oil and not enough power armor... ruclips.net/video/a3k8g5oX97E/видео.html
@@VampireNewl fair nuff
Custodians: "I always thought that guy was too weak to be one of us."
“We’re definitely on the wrong side kharne” kharne replied with, “how can you say that?”
“Because both sides are wrong”
When argel tal said this in betrayer he might’ve become my favorite character in 40K
But they have alpharius... And the other too
K* [p ,o v^
This was why Argel had to die. He realized the punchline too soon.
what's the joke here i don't get it
I love the lore behind Argel Tal
He's a great space marine and it's sad how he was betrayed by Erebus that god damn dick head ruins everything
Poor guy just wanted to save his very angry friend :(
“Great space marine” complicit in the greatest act of betrayal and bloodshed. Kills fellow space marines. Betrays his oath. Fuck Erebus but I’m glad he killed that demon fuck
If there's a punch bowl anywhere in the galaxy, Erebus is the turd floating in it.
17:12
Kharn pulling behind Erebus ready to commit unspeakable violence upon Erebus was hilarious tho
Khárn and Erebus’ duel was so fucking good. Especially how even the other World Eaters were shocked at how much he changed after Argel Tal’s death. It’s genuinely sad because it was Argel Tal who would keep Khárn as focused as possible and as human as a traitor World Eater can be. Erebus genuinely ruins everything.
Best boy out of Word Bearers. There is something special about that he knows and realises how f*cked up this galaxy and the gods, but still serving in the name of his primarch.
And the fact that he felt regret after he killed the loyalists and Custodes makes him even more badass.
That gene coded loyalty is a total bitch. Remind me of how clones in sw are forced to undergo order 66
For a daemon-possessed post-human, he's incredibly human.
i mean, it's good that Argel Tal at least feels bad about all the horrible shit he's doing, but he's still doing horrible shit and not once did his moral qualms actually stop him from doing horrible shit, so i don't think that's worth too much
@@slkjvlkfsvnlsdfhgdght5447 That can be said to a lot of people in 40k
Somehow, adding a daemon to a genetic-altered bioweapon IMPROVED empathy. Go figure.
Argel Tal also knew Sevatar and they mutually respected each other.
Before the Dropsite Massacre Argel's speech inspired Sevatar to shout "Death to the False Emperor" which became the traitor's motto.
However during the Dropsite Massacre, Sevatar saw Argel Tal's demon form and was disgusted.
When the battle ended Argel wanted to pay respect to Sevatar by shaking hands and Sevatar spat at him.
Base Sevatar, the true son of Curze, the embody of Justice, Judgement and Punishment
Even more based when you remember that Astartes spit acid
Not sure if I'll get a response because old comment but, what book does this happen in?
@@jcm-x2407 The First Heretic
(Excerpt: The First Heretic) Vendatha the awesome Custodian!
Lorgar was at ease, his muscles loose. He actually expected his offer of truce to hold some weight, and that lapse in judgement was enough for Vendatha to take the chance. He pulled the haft-trigger, and his spear’s underslung bolter cracked off a stream of rounds on full-auto.
Argel Tal saw it coming. The swords of red iron smashed the first three bolts aside, their power fields strong enough to detonate the shells as they streaked towards the primarch’s heart. The explosions threw the captain to the ground, his grey armour scraping along the stone with the shriek of offended ceramite.
Vendatha was already in motion. The golden warrior leapt at the primarch, guardian spear spinning in his fists, an oath to the Emperor on his lips. Four Word Bearers blocked his path, and those four Word Bearers had to die.
Rikus was the first to fall. The Custodian’s blade crunched into the soft, jointed armour at the Chaplain’s throat, punching from the back of his neck. Tsar Quorel died next, decapitated with a buzzing sweep of the energised blade, dead before he’d pulled his trigger.
Deumos managed to fire a stream of bolt shells, none of which connected. Vendatha weaved left, thudded the base of his spear into the Chapter Master’s bolter, knocking it aside, and followed with a cutting swing that sheared both the Word Bearer’s hands from his body, severing them at the forearms. Deumos had a scarce moment to draw in a stunned gasp before the spear sliced again, this time cleaving through his collarbone and spine, ripping his head free. Vendatha span the blade in his hands, letting it come to rest with the tip and gun barrel aimed at Lorgar’s heart again. Behind the Custodian, the bodies crashed to the ground in slow succession.
Three seconds had passed.
"We'll avoid these guys if we become demons" -Lorgar
Such power. To humans, Chaos and Imperial alike, transhumans such as space marines, custodes, and even mechanicum adepts are viewed with awe, adoration and respect. But the Eldar see them as absolute abominations. Who would transform himself into a monster? Interesting perspective.
The Emperor made weapons of mass destruction in the shape of men, and with their hands they wrought mankind's doom.
You mess the part when he tal throat the weapon at the custodian face
@@argeltalthecustodiankiller6552 it's called a betrayal
@@AbhisarRawat no it was in first heretic book that seen he was talking about
I find it interesting that Erebus and Kor both note that they had to keep Lorgar away from Argel Tal because Lorgar already had doubts about spreading the truth about chaos and with Argel by his side he almost certainly wouldn't have done it.
It's also funny that of the three Argel was the only one Lorgar actually liked and Lorgar had sent Erebus and Kor to Calth to die.
Hell even in 40k some word bearers hate Erebus for striking "down the legion's brightest star"
Imperium: Fuck Erebus
Chaos: Fuck Erebus
Really hammers home how messed up he is if that bunch of lunatics hate him for killing Argel Tal.
Getting a video about how each of the pre-heresy primarchs would react to being in Guillimans situation would be pretty cool ngl seeing their different ruling styles would be great
Man we were asking that for so long...
Aaaaaa
Not the first time you ask I think. Best of luck!
@@goldxahn5247 I've been asking for weeks
I started from the 400,000 subscriber video
Try changing up the wording and adding a days posted counter
When Lorgar asked Kharn if he wanted to know who killed Argel Tal and Kharn going beast mode is one of the best scenes ever in a HH book.
Which book? I’m tryna read ab Erebus getting his cheeks split asunder
@@certifiedsexhaver8400 Book 24 Betrayer, by Aaron Dembski-Bowden. I would read First Heretic and Aurelian first if you haven't, they are great and give great background.
What connection did the Khan had with Argel Tal?
Or did you mispelled Kharn?
@@alma_h2410 I did misspelled Kharn.
I actually thought Argel Tal was going to betray the Word Bearers in the end. It is very obvious that he questioned almost everything about the Heresy and that he only ended up serving because of Lorgar, all the time questioning his loyalty to him, as he saw Lorgar descend deeper and deeper into madness.
And now I see why Malcador chose loyalist astartes from traitor legions for his knights errants. Their loyalty to the emperor was THAT strong even if they're wired to be loyal to their primarchs .
Imagine Argel Tal becoming one of the Knight Errants and eventually one of founders of Grey Knights.
@@rayhanmustakim7073 unlikely. But i have a interesting idea
My headcanon is that had argal kill erebus with raums advice,argal would resolve himself to find kharn and do something involving finding a way out of the bullshit going on
My idea is that if this happened,argal and kharn would rally those astartes or others not desiring to help either and create there own mini faction to protect
@@lolbots686 Maybe making their own Blackshields right?
@@rayhanmustakim7073 possibly. Tbh itd be quite the interesting turnout that argal through raum figures out how to purify daemons partially,being one of the few beings able to calm the warp or parts of it
Lorgar charging in to save his sons when he knew for a fact he would not win against Corax is one of the reasons he is my favorite Primarch.
Perturabo is my favorite traitor primarch because of his competence.
Lorgars character journey in the First Heretic was exceptional
@@henrypaleveda7760 and the fact he actually had a reason to be angry... iron within, iron without.... but God dammit give me my dues
@@zacharyhernandez1483 Yeah.it's unfortunate how badlyu he misread Ferrus saying that he didn't understand. That was Ferrus trying to offer sympathy and saying that he didn't know, I love how autistic the primarchs can be at times. yes i like the black templars too.
Hot take, normally everyone things Lorgar is a living speck of infectious vag yeast. Kudos for being on his side for once lol
The most interesting revelation from Argel’s story is that the reason it is called The Imperial Truth is that it is not reality, it is the reality The Emperor seeks to create, although he claims it is reality.
The Wordbearers, per their name, see themselves as bearing the weight of the Actual reality of the cosmos for better or worse, and therefore see the emperor, not as a visionary, but as a liar, ignoring the fact that this reality can be changed.
If you ever read a chaos character refer to the emperor as a liar, this is the lie they are referring to, and the unspoken debate that is occurring: should the nature of the universe be accepted, or should we seek to change the entire universe to align with our beliefs?
As a result of this debate Lorgar is both the most and least logical character is 40k, acting in accordance to the facts, but ignoring their context.
I'm not convinced the Emperor's plan would ever have worked. We know more than he does about Chaos' origins in the War In Heaven, and therefore it is obvious from our outside perspective that Chaos draws its power and nature from man's emotions and deeds (and those of the Eldar, and the countless races that went extinct during the War), not his beliefs alone (although belief is an action, and therefore is still useful to Chaos). No one believed Chaos into existence, but rather it reflected the cruel actions of the denizens of the galaxy unto one another, and their anguish fuelled it.
The Emperor evidently did not understand this, because he became the single greatest perpetrator of suffering in the history of the galaxy in the course of his "Great Crusade". No other individual has come close to causing as much destruction and carnage as he has.
*Yet another fantastic episode of "Erebus ruins everything!"*
Possessed Argel was bigger than a Primarch and dual wielded Custodes weapons. Now imagine that guy with the blessing of the 4 chaos gods and a Primarch weapon as the chad version of the warmaster of chaos, probaby actual Primarch-tier.
PS: Argel Tal's FW mini is just badass.
Stop the cap
@@ABCefgy its not that far off, dude was still getting more badass AND more rebellious
"I like you, don't come to Istvaan 3 tomorrow."
Talos and Argel Tal are two great written Chaos Characters.
I wished there were more
ADB is a master of writing good bad guys.
@@Sidraughen True
@@Sidraughen and that’s why he’s probably my favorite author. Ever. He manages to humanize the literal evil guys.
Khayon is also great. In the end I never would have thought I'd feel sorry for Uzas. Quite honestly all of first claw are written great.
While not technically chaos per se, Fabius Bile is amazing in his trilogy. Josh Reynolds does a lot to humanize him without taking away from the monster that he is.
Tal, Torgaddon, Aximand, Tarvitz, Loken, all of those early Heresy characters are spot on.
Huh. Never expected to find this point in 40k, but;
Argel's life is one of the best possible *counters* to the phrase "If it can be destroyed by the truth, it deserves to be."
I swear, his self analysis about not knowing if his loyalty to Lorgar was genetic or genuine was so spot on. Based on his personality Argal was betrayed by himself, he wasn’t a bootlicker, that’s why he betrayed his friends (the custodians) for his father even though he didn’t like what his father was doing.
He was a lorgar bootlicker though
Argel tal being bros with kharn and having his respect tells you how much of a Chad argel is
One of my favourite sad, relatable moments in the entire lore was when Argel spoke with Sevatar and how Sevatar responded.
Imagine if every Chaos Space Marine was written as well as Argel Tal or Talos. Chaos would be a lot more interesting if that were the case.
Yeah but there's less money in spikey marines than goody two shoes so that ain't happening
Chaos has the best written characters. Normal spacemarines are the worst.
I think the chaos marines are more human than loyalists, and not from an edgy teen standpoint. They really see the truth, the loyalists for the most part are still completely blind. Think about 50% of traitor legion having to be purged and the perspective they would have, but knowing loyalists would just mow them down...
Day thirty nine of asking majorkill to compare Abaddon and Archaeon
Nice idea, Hope that MK see it
Stay strong King
I'd watch it
I like archeological a lot more than abby
Make this too comment people
Although all three seek to understand the universe, a scientist seeks to change reality, a priest, to align himself with it. A soldier seeks to understand which of the two to serve.
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Part two of Erda, or a short on her 1v4.
I shall never stop requesting it
Even the Custodes liked him and trusted him and he killed them, man is an absolute bro ❤️✌️
As much as I'd love to see Argal come back, I think a really good character arc for Kharn right now would be him deciding to take revenge on Erebus after all this time, gathering allies that also despise Erebus to kill the Word Bearer.
Hell make it a massive plot twist as Kharn slowly regains more and more of his sanity until the climatic fight where upon killing Erebus, he becomes something like a mix of his old and khornite personalities, seeking to fight the best out there but doing so in a more honourable and strategic way then just kill main burn. Be pretty interesting and make Kharn a much more compelling character again. Hell it's not even that much of a stretch to think Khorne may put his avatar on this path, perhaps sick of Erebus shit and lack of honour as well as seeing it as a step towards making Kharn the ultimate warrior.
Erebus dying would make so many lore fans cheer, and the only people who wouldn't enjoy it have opinions that are wrong.
This would be amazing and make another Chaos Astartes amazing.
We only have a few since we lost Talos lol
@@adrienwatson2179 Kharn is one of those Chaos Aligned characters that still has a lot of potential for the story and universe but is being shafted to suit a niche. Say Lucius, dude doesn't much room to grow or change as he was always an arrogant man that believed no one could best him, or Erebus who has had his heyday as the one responsible for the Horus Heresy and many parts within it, but since then has been more or less relegated to background character since he simply can't do what he used to with the same effect.
Kharn is unique since he had a very distinct personality for a World Eater, and what with how his personal damnation happened, while his fighting prowess has certainly heightened, he is far from what you could consider the perfect warrior, which is the exact kind of thing Khorne would love to see. After all, sure, he was an amazing fighter, but there is bunch of other pre-heresy aspects to him that really set him apart from the regular World Eater that, in my mind, is why Khorne decided to choose him of all astartes. And what better way to improve his champion's capabilities now his devotion is assured then to have him claim his vengeance for the murder of his best friend which inevitably would require Kharn to make use of his more intrinsic personality traits?
@@mitchmitting102 Agreed on all accounts
They wasted his potential for sure.
Remember when he captured a Thousand Sons Marine on Prospero?
That was an amazong scene as Kharn slowly tried to maintain his sanity
@@adrienwatson2179 Personally, I don't entirely mind the direction they took with Kharn, but rather the fact they have done nothing with it. Sure, being a mindless berserker is interesting for a little, but it's more the fact he has gone no where with it other than to be one of the best killers in 40K. In my eyes however, it does paint an excellent landscape for his later potential for thousands of years of killing all being to ensure his otherworldly skills in combat as well as his devotion to Khorne.
That's why I hope something along these lines happens to make Kharn a player in 40k again. Between Magnus and the Thousand Sons getting up to shit again, the Plague Wars with the Death Guard and Fabius Bile continuing to do his thing, I feel like Khorne and the forces of Undivided (*cough cough* Alpha Legion and Iron Warriors *cough cough*) need a real spot light, and for Khorne? What better way then the Betrayer getting his vengeance for the betrayal of Argal and becoming a leading Khornite leader like he should be?
Argel Tal is the best Word Bearer character and proof that Erebus really does ruin everything
Not gonna lie. The first heretic, great book love how they showed his humanity with the lady
Erabus is my favorite Chaos Astartes, he is the only one who isn’t a traitor but always worked for Chaos, and I admire that he went through all that training just to fuck with the Empire, he doesn’t care about army shit. And when he saw emps he thought “I want to dismember you like a bug” while everyone else pooped their pants
Well the Emperor could probably fart and delete Erebus from existence if they fought
@@paimonisfood4986 Erebus succeeded though what with the emperor being a Halloween decoration in the 41st millennium. A flaming sword isn't the only way to win a fight and the emperor would know that better than anybody since he schemes and lies about as much as tzeentch.
@@FeatherResonance When has the Emperor ever actually lied ?
@@kellerblair2952 literally the imperial truth was a lie and it was practically the catalyst for all events during the horus heresy. If the emperor would have told the primarchs about chaos, they may have been able to combat it
@@FeatherResonance With faith in the emperor slowly becoming an actual special ability for the Imperium I think it would not just his sword that wins battles. Also a lot of the lies and schemes made by the Emperor were in the end intended to work for humanity's favor unlike Tzeentch who just do it to further chaos's goals which is definitely not ideal for any human.
For his weapons he had the blades of iron, Lightning gauntlets, Guardian spear, and custodian sword.
Argel being able to maintain a level head for years with an increasingly heretical primarch who you have a genetic loyalty to and a literal demon inside him for decades meanwhile fulgrim being the pinacle of human bioengineering and warp magic falls to a falic blade that just tells him hes not good enough is so funny
I love this character. I picked the Word Bearers as my first army partialy because of him. But you forgot to mention how he dualwielded two Custodian Weapons.
Yes
@@argeltalthecustodiankiller6552 At your service, Mylord.
As for the transformation and possession the 7 months in the Warp was actually 7 seconds which Lorgar told Argel tal in a confused look as he was listening to the confessions of what they had to do to survive
Argal is so awesome it almost makes me want to play horus heresy just to have him on the table top
He is on table top
There's a short story in the Mark of Calth book that follows another member of the Gal Vorbak who goes rogue after 7 years of fighting underground. It's really interesting and worth checking out if you like Argel Tal. The First Heretic and that story convinced me that a spinoff game of Warhammer 40k: Space Marine where you play as a rogue Gal Vorbak who can temporarily go demon mode in combat and travel around through the warp trying to unravel its mysteries while occasionally dropping onto random planets in real space and slaughtering loyalists would be sick as fuck
I feel they killed Argyl off cuz he has a lot of parallels with the White Scar's Khan. Such as dual wielding, Resistance mentally to manipulation, wisdom, pragmatic. They are extremely similar in different settings
Dude the Custodes who broke is vow of silence and used his last actions and words as a “fuck you” to a specific traitor is such a Chad.
I hope they make a new book series where, maybe if Ghazghkull defeats Angron and a large amount of Khorne’s real space influence, Khârn can shake off some of his lucidity and go find Rum if he’s still around to try and get Argel back, and help him become the badass character he was before
They say that Angron can't be banished. This can only mean that GW plans to use him as a punching bag lol.
@@Ray-yv7kn well if Angron doesn’t die Khorne’s influence can still be weakened, also giving a justification for Angron’s promotion to plot device punching bag
Raum and argel tal was I believed completely fused with his daemon Raum so if he is still around so would argel it would be a cathartic experience seeing kharn Champion of khorne and argel more daemon then man at this point
1:55 you didn’t swallow, how am I supposed to believe you? 🤣
Best scene in Warhammer lore, at least top 10: Angron making fun of Argel-Tal and the word Bearers, then slapping Argel-Tal down when he got all butthurt about it. Telling ya, I was crying for days, especially cuz the audio book was so damn perfectly voiced acted.
I remember the Kharn and Argel bromance, it was a great read
Argel Tal is the reason I somehow like the word bearers. Thanks to him, I understand how the WB think and why they turned traitor. Sadly the other main characters of them are just boring villains. But argel Tal is so dope, he carry the whole legion
Whenever Argel Tal goes for a walk, he asked the Loyalists how's their health plan.
Apparently it was great.
Great Hellsing abridged reference! Now I can't help but imagine Alucard in Warhammer. Would he excel or be easily destroyed?
@@renandronico4235 In Fantasy, he can school the Vampires of Sylvania and even set things straight there or wipe them out.
In 40k, he might have to work for the Radical Inquisitor who would be pragmatic to work with him and impress him enough that they retain their humanity when fighting monsters.
Womp womp
First Heretic, Know no Fear and Betrayer are some of my favorite books in the Horus Heresy series. Also, Argel threw his chainsword at the Custodes.
It wasn’t a chain sword, it was blade of iron they red swords he had 😄
The thought of Argel lowering the gellar field because he wanted a 8 tit daemon gf is hilarious 7:40
Kharn, Argel Tal and Sevetar Jago are my favourite characters in 40k. Great vid hope you do a Sevetar video soon!
0:43 also look at his armor drip like that makes it look like he's the Emperor's son (color scheme wise)
Yessir! Keep the longer videos coming every so often, but nah seriously you’re a fuckin legend
breaking your vow of silence just to tell xaphen how much you hated him. glorious
Loving the fake smile as he tries to look like that green slush was in any way satisfying
Argel tal the warmaster we deserve
Yes
@@argeltalthecustodiankiller6552 the man himself
@@michelmanno8244 ☺️☺️👑
Damn. Erebus really is the one that started the Horus Heresy. It should be called the Erebus Heresy
You be pumpin' them vids left and right, awesome. Carry on.
These daemons specifically the one bonded to argal. Had to be unique daemons. A rarity of what ever thoughts and parts of the gods collective worships it created with. I wonder why the daemon bonded so well
The more I learn about the Horus Heresy, the more I learn that the Emperor and the Custodes were actually really bad at running a crusade and an empire.
First 40k book I read, Argel tal is tragic but goated
The lore is amazing... and ironic. Word Bearers turned traitor, for worshipping the Emperor, yes. But they also foiled themselves in the attempt. Cyrene was Argel Tal's "confessor." But after Cyrene Valantion died and was resurrected by Argel Tal, she became a perpetual and a loyalist.
If you read the book where Lorgar tries to kill Horus, Lorgar is led by a blind, masked woman. It's pretty clear this is none other than Cyrene, luring Lorgar into a fight he can't win, and taking the Word Bearers out of the very rebellion they started. Brilliant!
The first part of this story was an AMAZING book called The First Heretic. Everyone should read that novel it's so much fun.
Based on how the Emperor and Lorgar argue on the ruins of Monarchia (The first heretic)
I just can't follow why Argel Tal would even like Lorgar after that....
I can understand him wanting to know if there is a God though
Never knew Sylvester Stallone was a Chaos Marine
He remains forever honored and un-diddled!
Majorkill gets a new sponsor and 9 out of 10 times I end up buying the product because it's actually useful! Thanks Majorkill
awesome vid majorkill
A near 20 minute long Majorkill video!? Sign me the hell up
I really do think that if both argul and Kharn could of gotten thr fuck away from their fathers early in the heresy both could of been redeemed and brought back to the loyalists
I tried listening to a Majorkill playlist to fall asleep to at night but the “bow to me” at the end keeps waking me up.
A always found it amusing that you seem to hate chaos, and aren't what most people would find wholesome, and Weshammer is a teddy bear that seems to love them.
they should make a movie on Argel Tal, with Nick Cage as Tal
This is how Traitor Marines should be IMHO, you can believe someone like Argel could be a real threat. Lucius couldn't organise a picnic, even if the main course was deep throat.
MAJORBRO! Please do longer format videos along with the shorts if you can. I dig this shit
Major mini ideas
A trazyn the infinite style thingo or an Argel tal proxy.
Because 2 of warhammers greatest characters should not be trapped in citadel finecast and forge world resin
Erebus: kills argal
Kharne: and i took that personally.
Man, Custodians are such chads...
did anyone else take one look at that art of regular argel and think "Yeah thats got henry cavill written all over it"
LETS GO! 18 MINUTE VIDEO
LONG GASSSSSP
INSANEO STYLE??
What a man of culture you turned out to be Majorkill.
A custodian can't sense a demon while fighting with a possessed astartes besides him for years?
Tısk tısk tısk.
I find it weird you made this video, I'm currently reading The First Heretic so I've grown to like Argel Tal
Maybe he's reading the HH. MK just put out a video on the fall of the Thousand Sons. 'A Thousand Sons' is just two books before 'The First Heretic'
Best feat of each primarch
The feet of each primarch.
I think Magnus would have the best looking feet
@@JoeSmith-sl9bq same plus this morning I finished building him his feet are a great
i painted up one of the minis and im waiting for the day it appears, if it does
"being healthy [....] is not a controversial statement"
Your innocence is refreshing. It has been controversial for years.
Great video @Majorkill! I am a loyalist through and through but I found Argel Tal's story very tragic indeed.
To me it felt like argel was able to sway the demon to his side.
Didn't the daemon abandon Argel after Erebus left him to die? leaving Argel Tal to die a lonely death.
@@evann5 good point.
The scene with the custodien being sacrificed was fucking brutal. His face was a mess with one eye kinda working and looking around as he got impaled.
In a way, it's fitting that a man who was half daemon was one of the most human Space Marines; after all, daemons are tiny fragments of the Chaos Gods, and Chaos Gods are, at this point, mostly fueled by humanity's psychic gestalt. In the end, a daemon is a little fragment of exactly the thinga that make us human.
Like nuclear isotopes made banana
I like your profile picture
Someone call an Inquisitor to visit this person immediately. We can't have this kind of heresy spread
You mean wanting total dominion wherever it is that we go? Lol
"GET UP."
"If there's anything we know about Warhammer, it's that Erebus-" 200% subverted my expectation, I deadass thought MajorKill was about to follow that up with a Catholic Pedophile Joke, but then again it is only like two and a half minutes into the video so I suppose he has to keep it tame for the first few minutes to please the RUclips's Google overlords.
2:03 of course you would take Soylent Green as a sponsor! It's basically corpsestarch but in powder form!
Man, the image of Kharn beating the shit out of Erebus and telling him to get up and fight like a man is truly a sight of beauty.
Cadia for 10k years an Imperial Bastion of Defiance, before that... Galaxy's Weirdest Strip Club.
Also Obligatory asking Majorkill for a Mini of the late Old Man of Armageddon. Or Cowboy Ironstriders for the Skitarri Ranch.
It was only a matter of time before AG greens sponsored major
This man makes videos as fast as I read the books! Keep up the grind!
As they brought bakk the blessed lady they should bring bakk argel and make him reunite with karn and breaking him out of the 10 000 years of blood craze dat would be sooo awsome!!!!!
The First Heretic has to be my favourite book of the Horus Heresy Series.
Argel Tal looks like he should be the emperor of mankind!!
I think Argel Tal is probably the most Aussie-accent-compatible name in all of 40k…unless there is a space marine named Chicken Parmy that I’m not aware of.
Can you do a video on blood bowl? It can be a call back to fantasy while being a more goofy and fun video
My introduction into 40k was the book " the first heretic " saw it in the book store and wanted to try something new. this character holds a special place for me