It's always a great tragedy when geek culture becomes mainstream. It becomes dumber, sillier, and over-exposed until it is dead, and all the while, a lot less cool.
Absolutely. I had a conversation with some friends a while back about how something being "owned by Disney" just makes it feel inherently less cool, they zap the edge out of everything. The PG rated George Lucas Episode 1 and 2 still had people losing limbs and being cut in half, and yet the PG-13 rated Episode 7-9 feel infinitely more childish, family oriented, immature and infantile than any of the original 6 films. There is a baseline "goofy" that comes across in the Disney stuff. Even Marvel, Phase 1 films had humor but generally took things rather seriously, and by the time you get to phase 3 they are outright action-comedies most of the time. Ragnarok just felt like Rush Hour in space. When something goes mainstream it is given pressure to be more bland and universal in execution, more "Safe" and that inherently dulls the aspects that made it unique and interesting to the original fans.
@@BreadAndWaterSurvivor for example the sequels. Lucasfilm try to make Rey to be so powerful that she has no weaknesses and she can't be beat and do everything. Similar to this feminist movement is going on where they believe they are better than men and can do anything better and don't need men.
Hell yea! They deserve it! Tired of remakes and sequels. But, at this point in cinema, I bet it’s incredibly hard to think up good original plots after the hundreds of thousands of productions out there.
My guy, there are more original movies coming out today than there ever was before. You are underestimating how many original properties that are, and just think everything is a reboot or superhero movie which is not the case.
Whenever I hear someone complaining about "all we get are superhero mumbo jumbo, Star Wars, reboots & remakes there’s no originality coming from cinemas anymore" that just shows me you don’t know what the hell you’re talking about. There are original movies and original IPs. John Wick is an original franchise, Knives Out is an original franchise, A Quiet Place is an original franchise. People need to stop with this idea that no one is making original ideas anymore.
@@johnnyblaze973-p2m fr bruh, like they bitch about there being no original movies but completely ignore the original movies just so they can focus and cry like babies over remakes and sequels and superheroes. If they actually got off of their lazy asses and googled movies that are original, they'll find a SHIT load of originality that they just always ignore.
The genre didn't fade. Incompetent people replaced talented ones, producing bad content with problems in visual effects, screenplay, acting and writing.
@@SwaggerLikeUz they used to say the same thing about epics before Braveheart and about westerns before The Unforgiven. One job well done changes everything. Unfortunately, today's Hollywood (with few admirable exceptions) is under the rule of incompetence and wokeness, so aphaty is a tendency.
Hollywood’s idea of a hero, as opposed to everyone else’s idea, are completely at odds. Until this crop of studio heads, writers, and producers are gone, there will be no fixing it. These people cannot help themselves.
many people's idea of hero is very similar to hollywood, it doesn't matter if they consider themselves the big or small guy. They don't understand a true superhero tale, the superhero films that have come out many of them are as shallow as the films in other genres, and those with so called depth are merely unrealistically nihilistic, when there is a film that isnt like that typically its in the west were it faces the most challenges.
The idea of heroes being humanized and having struggles is a recurrent theme even in mythology for millennia; it's not novel but an ancient clichee. What's new is those anti-woke shades you wear that make you see wokenesss everywhere. I can give you hundreds of shows and TV for a century that you would label "woke" today.
@@aishaalamoudi599 Avatar the Last Airbender would have gotten the horrendous snowflake conservative screeching that Legend of Korra did if it came out today.
@@haruhirogrimgar6047 Hi, I'm conservative... support trump... love god with all my heart... And Avatar is still one of my favorite shows of all time... Your a colossal fuckwit... have a nice day...
@@joshuagraham2843 woke is a right wing nut term. Please stop using that in their crazy way. All comics would fit their woke definition since 1920. Just say racist white people only want to be the main focus of media and movies.
Back when I used to be a kid and a teenager I used to love comic books and superheroes. Never did I feel that the comic books, the heroes, or the writers wear antagonizing me. There was even soul when new characters were written; some of them being part of what these woke writers wanted. Like The Runaways, Young Avengers, Avengers Initiative and Avengers Academy. Ever since 2015 most of the time I picked a comic book, I feel like the writer had a vendetta against me. I wish the 2020 pandemic happened again but only to affect these scumbag writers so they can lose their jobs and leave comic books alone. These are not the superheroes I grew up with, these are the heroes no kid deserves to grow up with...
@@mostmost1 Yeah, all these conservative snowflakes unable to cope with diversity on the screen. The Harley Quinn show's open feminist themes helping to make it the most watched, highly rated, and beloved of DC's projects. Peacemaker and The Suicide Squad similarly amazing ratings while villainizing the u.s. government and having white nationalists as the villains. Captain Marvel and Black Panther being two of the most successful MCU movies ever made. Yet all these snowflake conservatives bitch and whine about popular media somehow dying due to progressive messaging and diverse casting.
The superhero genre isn't dead. The tone of it it is, what's "killing" superhero genres are the jokes and goofiness in it. The History is repeating it self, just like Batman forever or Batman and Robin
@@avinadadmendez4019 nah, homie. The 2nd Thor movie, for as garbage as it was, had the unecessary jokes in worst times. Like I remember that scene where Loki gets killed and Thor is obviously broken by this. You would think thr big guy wouls obviously remain grumpy and sad for at least the whole day... but no, then we jump to a scene where Thor is jealous Jane seems to try to be dating someone else. Or that old scientist being happy Loki was now dead despite Thor was in the same room when he said that. Multiverse of Madness, for as bad as it could be regarding misplaced jokes and whatnot, was already like a 2nd ord 3rd generation product of the non stop jokes. And even at that I did love Wanda going psycho killer with the Illuminati from that other universe to prove she was a true menace; as well as Dr. Strange posessing Evil Dead style the corpse of his other self. Taking America Chavez of the equation, I think the movie was kinda decent.
Good god your right it’s literally happening again ant man was on some Batman forever shit they had the same vibe kind of in a scary way it’s like Season 8 all over again
At first I was going to comment on how superhero movies are only dead when the fans and critics continue to contribute to the discourse of a dying industry and so-called poor/failed movies, but I really appreciated the thoughtful essay here. As a historian, I have been interested in how movies are reflections of American culture and I had always wondered what superhero movies say about our moment in time. What stood out to me in this video are your comments on how they reflect identity politics and political division. I think historians will likewise make that connection in the future looking back to the productions of today. Thanks for the upload
@@elpsykoongro5379 no they are not. Every story needs an end. What happens with the endless shows like the Simpson or shows that had a longer life that they should? . They becomes tiresome, bored and unimaginative. Same here. Best rembered shows are those which ended, even if theirs end were bad. Even comic books, from supposedly these movies are based on, has ends. Any new Superman or Spiderman collection has certain continuity with their lore but when a new collection starts, the previous has a finale.
i think super heros genera though was one of a kind. it can mix all genres together in one continuity. marvel can make a WW2 war film (Cap 1) a monster movie (Incredible Hulk) a fantasy film (Thor) a political thriller (Cap 2) a super hero team up film (all the Avenger films) a space opera (Guardians) a highest film (Ant man) its really not like westerns the only thing you can do with that genre was gun duals, train robberies, a sharif vs an outlaw. cowboys weren't going to space or fighting dark elves, they were riding horses and wearing cowboy hats. i honestly don't think anything comes after super hero films they already cover every genera
It's always mind-blowing for me that in America Mangas became a mainstream thing, a generational relevant one, in the 2000s. In Italy or France the generation that grew up with anime and manga is the one who was teen in the 80's.
If I recall, the early 2000’s went through a fantasy boom with the lotrs trilogy, Harry Potter series, Narnia series, and many solo fantasy movies that failed to start a franchise.
This... is... beautiful. I've run across idiots in comments who say things like "saying we can't analyse an old book from our modern perspective is stupid. Why else would we have literature classes?"... and I had to explain "go back to school and beg your teacher's forgiveness, you fool. Why did you not for a moment think of understanding a different culture through a book of that culture?". The beginning of this video alone is such a perfect illustration - the context of an era expressed in a directly comprehensible manner through the artifact of the movies of the time. Thank you. Thank you for holding out some hope that stupidity hasn't completely overtaken RUclips. Thank you so dearly much.
I hate reboots and remakes for the same reason; why "update stories for younger generations"? Movies are a form of art. We are not repainting the Dutch masters every few years to attract young art fans either. These paintings are unique.
I don’t think any particular genre is going to dominate Cinema over the next decade or two. I think instead we’re going to see something more akin to an artistic movement or style kind of like film noire dominate film and tv for a bit. What exactly this will be like, I don’t know.
I predict video game movies and shows will become more dominant. Once Hollywood sees how well the Mario movie does everyone is going to want something similar
@@idawg7332 That might actually be a real possibility. More and more video game properties are getting better in quality and gaining praise (like The Last Of Us and Sonic the Hedgehog). They even started out the same way as those other trends where the sucked at first before progressively getting better and gaining recognition.
Big "if"! Have you come across anything that has? Maybe The Last of Us, but I don't know that I.P./ game well enough to judge. Rings of Prime? She-Hulk? Loki?? Willow??? I honestly can't think of anything recent with any reverence for "the lore". Help me out, I'd love to be wrong.
Those aren't mutually exclusive. It's what ultimately kills any genre in it's prime. Once you have a few massive successes, the floodgates open until eventually mediocrity takes over and people realize that they are either getting a bunch of low quality cash-ins, or they are watching the same thing over and over again. The fatigue comes from the fact that once Hollywood sees a new trend, they will milk the cow until it's dead, decayed, and turning to dust.
It's the blurring the lines between heros and villians Look at the most success comic movies this year GOTG vol 3 , Wakanda Forever and Into The Spider verse The heros were heros not "dark and gritty" they didn't murder anyone , including the villians and the leads all were highly optimistic in saving people And Wakanda Forever did the antihero right, he was a hero to his people and even was sympathetic to Wakandans then got humbled by Shuri and became more open minded to surface dwellers... So it's not superhero fatigue, it's Hollywood listening to a small niche of edgelords who are the loud minority who want every hero to be a "bad ass" or "wise ass" and morally ambiguous I've said many times if heros are acting like villians , why get behind the heros??
Those are direct responses to the fatigue. Writers got tired of writing the same generic superhero crap so tried to find new ways to make it interesting.
thats whats turning me away from main stream american super hero stuff. its so obvious the writers are pushing an agenda. but my hero and one punch man are on fire. even none super hero stuff like Dragon Ball, One Piece or JoJo still have a lot of super hero elements to them at the end of the day its heros in colorful costumes stoping over the top evil villains, Goku is my new Superman, Frieza is my new Joker, Luffy is my new Spider-Man etc
@@evenhartwick4422 Anime is very hard to get into for me personally. I’m like Peter Griffin in that one cutaway gag on how he doesn’t understand anime. Or even sometimes when I get into a Twitter argument about anime, to quote StinkyBlueRat I would say “Anime is gay” as my counter argument as there are so many Twitter accounts that have anime pfp’s (no offense to yours) it’s endless.
@@JonathanGaeta believe it or not i wasn't into anime that much at all, but you gotta find the right one there are ones out there that will tickle your sensibilities. there are a lot of anime that also just don't do it for me i hear Naruto is great but I'm not really a ninja guy I've tried to get into it but its not my thing. you just gotta find one that speaks to you
This. It isn't that people aren't even disinterested in superhero storues. People are just sick of the boring and divisive woke garbage made by bad writers ajd inexperienced directors. Even in the midst of the general failure of so many CBMs and shows these last few years, the genuinely good ones are still rewarded: The Batman and Invincible come immediately to mind just for example. Make good stuff and the audience will come.
Trying to reduce everything to "wokeness" is silly. Let me do it to you; Antman3 is flopping but all 3 MCU films last year didn't; that's because they're woke and Antman3 wasn't. Shazam2 is flopping because Zachary Levi endorsed anti-wokeness, first one did better cause it remained woke. Black Adam, Morbius....not woke enough, therefore they flopped. HBO, the wokest, is also the GOAT. Conclusion; wokeness sells; it's so efficient that Rings of Power and Velma became hits despite being terrible. How am I doing?
It's not dead. They are making content nobody wants and pushing characters nobody wants. They trying to get rid of all the male leads with female replacements.
as a writer in that world, I can tell you that you have sort of bumped up against it but missed the point entirely. Producers (the money) are wary of change so when they can continue doing the same thing over and over and over and make a change in one seemingly "hip" way (using women in men's roles, or black leads, or asians etc) they do that but in the same situations they have always used. Dont' get caught up in the dopey "muhhh it's all woke pedos in Hollyweird" which is a very VERY specific bullet point they have fed you for much deeper reasons.
The duopoly of Disneymarvel and DC haven't released anything good since Endgame / Aquaman. Sony have demonstrated the market is there to be satisfied, but until someone actually releases the product that resuscitates the genre, it's dead.
Wokeness has truly losed all meaning . If a female character in a movie does literally anything,These idiots are going to regurgitate the same opinion that it's a personal attack on men.
Anyone remember, when Comic Books belonged to nerds? We were the outcasts, the loners. Nobody liked us and we used theses characters to live vicariously through. It got us through our young and teenage years. Early 20's even. Now it's just factory manufactured swill. This, Star Wars, Lord Of The Rings all poached from the enjoyment they were. Now they're weaponized to pursuit an agenda. Shame.
What do you mean "weaponized in pursuit of an agenda"? Superheroes have always been political. The first captain American comic came out before the States declared war against the axis.
@@jmgonzales7701 technically it's changing what's making things worse, if they just concentrated on on what made them successful before they changed things then hopefully the genre could've maintained it's title, but sadly that's not the case.
@@georgecisneros5281 no, no, it IS necessary. After all, most people wouldn't understand. Let's also add changing characters into stuff they weren't before in this list. Because I still don't understand why they turned OG Iceman into a gay person when if they wanted to focus on LGBT+ characters, they already had lots of them; and they could create a new one as well on an original character like back in 2000s comic books... instead they turned a known womanizer who had decades of story. Or turning Carol Danvers more insufferable than she was before by becoming Captain "I'm always perfect and commit no mistakes, so no apologies to anyone". Hell, when she used to be Miss Marvel, even if she had a bossy attitude, she was still human, with alcoholic problems and the same hero responsabilities and problems like Spidey and company. Now we got writers that can't write a good story out of their ass to save their lives even if they were in a Saw movie. The 2020 pandemic proved that without selling their steaming hot garbage in bulk to the comic book stores so they would be the ones deealing with selling that, writers were doomed. And like any spoiled child, instead of blaming themselves they knew no one would buy their comics and decided to blame the fans; and I'm talking about true loyal comic book fans, not the woke twitter users they write this garbage to. When did people stop writing good characters and storylines, or stoped having balls when writing new diverse characters and now only made said characters one dimensional by making their skin color, sexual preferences or gender their sole trait? Or the fact these same traits are used as a shield to defend writers and creators from the obvious backlash of their creations. And god forbid you said something against it because this would make you into any negative word finishing with "phobe" or "ist".
Forget about the superhero stuff, I particularly like your observation on what might be the next big emotional rallying point for American cinema (and by default, world cinema) - the underlying tension within America itself. *Rubs hands together expectantly, but expects to wait at least another 10 years…*
it won't come tomorrow or even in a few years but this woke era we are going through is on its last legs. i can't wait until the mainstream kicks that nonsense to the gutter where it belongs.
I think that tension is already being manifest on screen - not in an honest, reflective kind of way, but through partisanship of production and writing for other unrelated shows and movies, alongside more honest entertainment that's struggling to produce and release while remaining neutral in an environment that, despite audience appreciation, is increasingly hostile to it's creation.
To be honest I don't think superhero genres are failing as you say is just becoming all of the same. Like when you go to a superhero movie you're expecting a big climax where explosions going to have in building to get destroyed all the humans that I make it out all in one piece but the season come out in the war zone. But every superhero movie has that ending there's nothing different But you look at shows like the boys, invincible, they managed to do something different and take risk and still be superhero content the end of the day the fans are claiming to want more of because those shows took risks those shows and they showed something different
yea thats some what i think. superhero movies are quite diferent from what came before, they can be anything the film makers what it to be. they can be period sets, romcoms, the classic superhero movie, scary, crime noir, big arc stories (like infinite saga), drama, parent child relation, teen focus, so so much more they can be. but all depends on the people behind the screen and original they can be. in my opnion superhero movie can never die, if they are done right.
Movies like Top Gun and the new John Wick movie are proving that. Even movies staring females like the Scream 6 movie did much better at the box office than either Ant-man or Shazam 2. It is because it's not woke and has good writing. People are sick of lazy writing and woke stuff.
@@theinsurance2450 couldn’t agree more 🙌🏻 I love a strong and well-written female character like Leia Organa and Sarah Connor. Unfortunately a lot of female characters in media these days are written to try to appeal to woke audiences, and it honestly takes away the entertainment value of the movie, show, game, etc. 🤷🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
Man this is an excellent video the fact you summarized the evolution of the cultural zeitgeist in movies for half a century in easily ten minutes. Give this man an Oscar.
The problem isn’t the fact that they’re superhero movies. The problem is the lack of heart. Iron Man still holds up. Guardians is fantastic. They are movies that’s people can relate to while being their own thing. Superhero movies and TV today take no risks and are very corporately made. Ironically Amazons superhero shows don’t feel like products. They’re fresh and unique. Invincible has probably the most standard superpowers. But how they portray his powers and conflict is what makes it interesting. He messes up. He fails. He gets the shit kicked out of himself time and time again but he never gives up. Daredevil show still holds up. It’s a compelling story with complex characters outside of the great action. Matt is a lawyer who is also a vigilante. A catholic who enjoys taking his rage out on people. A blind man who can fight. The character alone has all these contradictions that make him compelling and make him feel real. The Disney + show won’t be as good. Not because it’ll be toned down in its graphic content, but because they don’t have the skill to just write a human story with nuance.
Thanks, I've been saying that most of the MCU or other movies like it feel very corporate, soulless, bland, generical and formulaic. And God I really love Netflix's Daredevil.
What's this "I can relate to it" bullshit. Once, you could have fantasy characters who were powerful and strong like Superman, who were beloved, because they weren't like us. Wanting characters who relate to toy shows the self-centredness of today's society.
Thanks for this insightful look at "the past decades" and what drove entertainment in the past. Well done, well said, and well articulated :) (from someone who lived through most of those decades (60's onwards.))
Yup, I'm not particularly excited for identity politics and other weird stuff like gender confusion and more of that targeted for blue haired people coming from the USA.
@@Harold075 its mostly because of bad quality in the writing part of the movies all new superhero movies got trash ratings also one punch man and my hero academia are still very popular its not superhero fatigue its an issue that marvel and dc have (the 80 years of milking might also add up to that)
@@argy7526 still writing is ok compared to previous decades and moderate comic book level. "Woke" is not problem, you just want to pick cherries. Few of superhero movies are not at Infinity war or Endgame level.
@@Harold075 the comic book level is far lower, there are some decent comics but both dc and marvel publish 50+ comics each the best ongoing comics in my opinion are moon knight and DCeased phase 4 superhero movies/series having decent quality is something very few believe, most of them where bad take the list of the bad movies and series they released during phase 4: she hulk, morbius, moon knight, ms marvel, shang chi, ant man 3, falcon and the winter soldier, black window, eternals, thor 4 and hawkeye all of them are mid at best also i never mentioned the woke problem i talked about the bad writing if you want to talk about woke and stuff like that go talk with an american because you know not everyone lives in america to care about your politics
It’s a mixture of: - identity politics - garbage writing - boring storylines - irrelevant characters that nobody even knows about (this one is particularly true in the case of Marvel, as they pretty much killed off all their A level heroes at the end of endgame).
Makes me sad how the DCEU failed. Most of their movies are garbage and I wish it had the same cohesiveness and success the MCU did. There was a time when CBM ruled cinema because of its quality writing and storytelling. Where did all of that go?
The real problem is that those Marvel films were made for the Global audience, action and special effects being the international language of cinema. A movie has to play as well in Buenos Aires as in Seoul. And in doing so are bland and safe.
As long as there is a great script with the right actors and director it doesn't matter the genre it will be good. The problem is DC hasn't had many good scripts and Marvel has gone woke.
More like Marvel has put being woke over telling a proper, cohesive narrative. And DC has to hold strong with mediocre movies in a dying universe before their movies ACTUALLY get good again.
The problem is comic books also became woke since 2015, at least with Marvel, which made me give up in them. It was obvious their movies would suffer the same fate. And DC tries too hard in being dark or tries to hard in making a universe in their movies just like Marvel but it has no proper writing in them. Their live action movies are better off as stand alone movies like The Batman. Their animation movies is where a coexisting universe lies.
The Nintendo and Sega cinematic universes may be the next big thing. Sonic has already had 2 successful movies, this Mario movie looks to be huge so we might be seeing the dawn of an era of decent video game movies as an entire genre.
The Nintendo and sega is trash!!! marvel and dc is better!! sonic movie sucks spider-man and batman movies are better!! marvel and dc is the big thing and nintendo is lame as sega
The superhero could have kept going strong if they used the right stories, and respected the characters. I mean they have xmen, fantastic 4, Doctor doom and other great characters in the bag. They could have started another great era of Marvel. It may not have reached the heights of popularity as Endgame, but it could've still been good. Instead they dove headfirst into the woke toilet, and now the stink is impossible to shake off. Like all once successful empires, the inevitable collapse always happens within not without. They only have themselves to blame.
@@Crichjo32 if that where true then almost that means The Godfather, Taxi driver, Citizen Kane, empire strikes back and other movies considered masterpieces aren’t really masterpieces they’re just trash and woke. Like I said conservatives don’t know anything about movies all the greatest films have been written by liberals and those movies have woke politics.
@@damiantirado9616 you may complain all you want about anti-woke stuff... but the numbers don't lie. And from the looks of it, people aren't done with superheroes, they are done with writers doing identity politic writing, one dimensional annoying characters, characters suddenly being changed of their skin color/gender/sexual preferences and these traits being used as shields by the writers to protect themselves from how bad their creations are for the critics are just whatever word ends with "ist" or "phobe". The comic book industry was proven dead when the 2020 pandemic happrned and the writers realized they were screwed due to selling their comic books online by units instead of selling them as bulk to comic stores that had to deal with trying to sell that steaming hot garbage on their own. And instead of blaming themselves for their product, they decided to blame the readers. Yeah, no, people aren't tired of superheroes, they're tired of writers not knowing what good storywriting or good characters are like and decide to rely on going woke. Superheroes as a whole are dead because of this.
I think we are heading to a 70s era 2.0 in films people dont want the flashy fake heroes in costumes anymore we want our more realistic action heroes back Which is why I think Top gun Maverick did so well and why John wick 4 is currently doing so well. Time will tell but. Honestly see us heading for a full on cultural reboot where and a battle between what kinds of stories the public wants vs what the studios think we want.
I think the genre is well and alive. It's specifically fanbases getting tired of the big entertainment industry that fails to pander to their wishes. Also, genre fatigue - Every once in a while a genre gets so bloated it kinda loses it's meaning. People liked the original super-hero stories, because they offered interesting characters with some relatable problems and a big world... Those same comics also got over convoluted in their own weird ideas that they lost track of themselves. It's very hard to keep such genres going forever, because stories are driven thin... Characters lose their point, conflicts turn into long dragged out and detached issues, and everything loses it's humanity, because the original concept is just no longer valid. I guess they'll refreshen the genre by just... Lowering the stakes. Spiderman is good as long as it's just a small superhero in a big city fighting a weird set of local Villans with their own relatable problems, as well as the hero facing weird real life issues to juggle through. Batman for example, is pretty much the most down-to-earth super-hero concept there is... His whole theme works because he is a plausibility... The Villans there themselves remain rather unmagical, just wacked up and incredibly crazy, and it makes batman almost immortal because he stays in gotham, and he can't really solve the issues there - no matter how much power and money and skill he has. That's why it's working... The city of Gotham is much more alive than any city in any other comic, and the city is the focus, it's problems, the issues of corruption and how you get to know the feel and vibe of what goes on there, rather than just heroes and villains detached from an actual world. Some generic aliens with sky beams and various global affairs ends up overly detached, especially when they are being solved one after the other... So, people get tired to follow it. The whole "Woke" phenomena is just an industry full of itself... If they want to deliver a message, they need to be subtle about it.
@@jmgonzales7701 For that, they need writers and teams that actually have something new to express. They need to get out and explore life... There's a reason they keep drawing from existing materials (Comics/Folk lore/older franchises, etc') - They have nothing new to add themselves, they have the life experience of a spoiled toddler. That's exactly why "Wokism" is a thing - The creators are so empty all they have to say is some bland political affiliation.
@@Shimamon27 yes i agree. And impretty sure there are still some goods one out there. Alot of people say that writers need to use the source material more. I dont think so, i think they need to totally reinvent characteres, story, genres etc. That ofc provided they just dont turn everyone lgbt and trans.
I sure hope the superhero movie time is over, bad cgi, race/gender switching, bad writing and wokeness is too much. Lets get back to make movies like the God Father or good stuff , real Dramas and Action Dramas.
It’s gonna be video game movies. Audiences like playing games because it makes them feel in control. Watching game characters can have a similar effect, if executed properly
No! abostlotely not! video games movies will never work for me or replace superhero films it got be something like tranformers cuz! i cant sit and watch garbage Nintendo and Sega movies!! i ratcher stay with superhero movies then shitty boring video game films!
I can’t say I’m shocked. Mediocre content, mixed with large quantities of it will do that. And to be honest, I’m glad. I love superheroes a lot but the genre has become lazy as of recent. Sure we have good movies like NWH, but even that is nostalgia filled. Plus you have ideologically pushing elements at the cost of story and characters and well, it leads to Ant man 3 bombing. The next big thing I see is video game movies. TLOU, Sonic, Arcane and other hits have a foundation and the Mario movie,if good, will open that doorway. All in all, CB should just go in the background for a bit. Focus on quality, instead of substance less spectacle.
The last Avengers movie was the end of an era, many beloved superheroes died, and the ones who survived had terrible movies later. Black Panther 2 could've been good, but unfortunately the actor who played him died in real life, so they did a gender switch, and people didn't like that. DC in the other hand has had fun movies that came out outside of Snyder's reign, but people are too harsh to them, and all the uncertainty and drama behind WB's decisions on their properties made people tired too
to be honest- the end can't come soon enough. Hollywood is completely devoid of any creativity- in fact it feels like a mini dark age has arrived in modern culture. Identity politics and modern puritanism share much of the blame- its very hard to be creative or avant garde in such an environment- however western society has just become a little more vapid and self centred as part of a long coming trend. Maybe someone else will step in and fill that void? Maybe we will see the rise of film making and new stories coming from somewhere unexpected? It might kickstart an indie movie scene in another 5 to 10 years, or bollywood will step in? All I know is that nature abhors a vacuum and after a cultural decline, comes a renaissance.
I don't think superhero genre is dead (at least not because of a lack of interest). The problem is: Those movies and series are NOT about superheros doing superhero-stuff. You can apply the same reasons why marvel/dc failed to IPs like: Terminator, Star Wars, Star Trek, Jurassic Park, Ghostbusters, Lord of the Rings (Rings of Power), Resident Evil, Willow, Predator, Men in Black, Stargate (Universe), Doctor Who and so on and so on...its universal...give the audience what they wish and don't try to fool them, or noone is buying your product any more. If you listen to the screenwriters and actors: Its about them. Its not the IP they handle, nor the character they play, nor the idea / philosophy / concept of the source material they work with. They take something, twist it and make their own stamp on it, instead creating something new. And this is why all of them fail, because its not what their audience is expecting / would like to see.
It's the writing; in the past, comics, TV and film writers largely drew upon their experience in the real world then translated that experience into metaphorical stories to represent larger themes. Now we have people creating whose only reference point is another media. They either haven't lived enough or can't draw upon those experiences creatively. The result is fiction that feels forced and fake, and certainly does not have universal appeal. It's also way too much about politics; the timeless tales cross all boundaries and appeal to the overall human condition, not just the "left" or "right' or whatever, but everyone.
The only reason the recent superhero genre specifically from Marvel have continually failed is due to blatant woke programming message that has taken over the Hero’s Journey and the concept of story telling. While I agree with your treatise of modern cinema’s revolution and narrative from the 70’s to modern day cinema. However should story and character be at the forefront of any movie genre, then we will see the return of profit and interest. Much like the Dark Knight which shows how story and character can break genres and showcase what is possible. When the audience is challenged with compelling stories and themes, people will return to the theatres.
There's mountains worth of content untapped going back decades in comics, and brands other than marvel and DC that could still be hits. Instead they want to focus on characters and stories that didn't even sell in their own comics. Iron heart bombed, Capt marvel bombed, comics in general are bombing now. No one wants to see movies of this
Every generation finds its groove, imagery, tone, zeitgeist, but what amazes me is the feedback loop from youth culture to the studios seems to have been broken. In the 80s/90s, older studio directors, writers, vfx pioneers essentially tapped into Gen X teen and 20s years, made entertainment for them, and it worked. Gen X did great work once they hit 40s. But the youth are now ... playing Fortnight. I'm not kidding - gaming is a $94b industry, film is about $12b. The kidz are online, with a Discord channel open, swapping memes and reels as they play. My teen kids don't care about movie genres. They care about niches. Watching YA fiction series from 10 years ago. So the decline of Big Ent and Big Studio is not such a problem, once one conceives of the positive alternative framing - fragmentation becomes innovation, genre entropy becomes stylistic opportunity etc. I personally think alternate history and sci-fi will be huge, but what do I know...
Movies like Top Gun and the new John Wick movie are proving people still want to see movies just not the current state of Superhero movies. Even movies staring females like the Scream 6 movie did much better at the box office than either Ant-man or Shazam 2. It is because it's not woke and has good writing. People are sick of lazy writing and woke stuff. Even the writers of Dungeons & Dragons how to come out to say some of the writing decisions, weren't because of woke. They felt the need to do that because Hollywood is slowly starting to learn that woke means less money.
I don't think the Super Hero genre is anywhere close to dead. Maybe the current iteration is though (or at least it needs to die) the recent movies are just cookie cutter, rubbish. Marvel/DC etc are always going to have fans that are ready to spend money, it's just the products being put out these days (for the most part) are terrible (At least where films are concerned... most of the TV shows suck as well TBH)
No! abostlotely not! video games movies will never work for me or replace superhero films or comic books it got be something like Tranformers or gi jeo cuz! i cant sit and watch garbage nintendo and sega movies!! i hate video game shit
I think Japan will take over the superhero genre. With successful movies like Shin Ultraman and Shin Kamen Rider. I believe they can resurge the superhero genre like they did with Comics aka Manga
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i remember back in 2015 everybody was talking about marvel excited for the next avengers film or another marvel instalments now nobody i mean nobody talks about marvel anymore i guess Disney focused more about quantity then good writing
Finally. I've enjoyed some of the superhero movies but I've never really been a fan. I remember not even wanting to see Iron Man because I was already tired of the genre. Then they took over everything. Maybe we'll actually get something original now.
Yeah I'm never been a huge fan either, in fact I didn't found value in comics until I started reading about their history after watching a documentary with Stan Lee (R. I. P). About the few superheroe movies I like, I would say Christopher Reeve's Superman (except the 4th one), Tim Burton's Batman, Spider-Man trilogy (3rd one is my least favorite), The Dark Knight Trilogy and even the new Batman movie was better than I expected. Somehow I enjoyed Marvel's phase 1 better than the rest of the franchise, I later found out why since those movies took better care in their production, I liked Dr. Strange (I like Bennedict Cumberbatch), Guardians of the Galaxy (I love it's soundtrack) and a bit of Ant-Man, but mostly on visual level, it's not that I have analyzed MCU that deep and I don't need to, they weren't made for that, they were made for mass audiences that do not need much analysis, they are bland, corporate, formulaic and generic cashgrabs, they are full of stars, explosions and humorous tones (which I had enough of, just like with comedy films in recent years) to please most casual viewers (not even comic book fans), after earning their money they forget about it (just like modern mainstream music), I only went to see Infinity War and Endgame because of the hype and because a relative of mine sent me the money, to the point where I pretended to be interested so I wouldn't look bad, I admit they were ultimate experiences and seeing the audience react like crazy is something maybe I would never see again, but in retrospect the movies (especially Endgame) are not very good.
Can I say I really liked Joker (2019)? I had huge expectations on that because I knew it was going to be something else, not a superhero movie, but a psychological drama inspired in 70s movies that I love like Death Wish or Taxi Driver and I never heard of The King of Comedy until that point so I watched it and liked it, Joker uses a comic book character to explore a more gritty and realistic world (just like Nolan's Batman did) and the limits of mental illness, I feel like the movie managed to express my frustrations with the system well, the things that Arthur said in the host show scene are mostly true (even though I do not support violence), great aesthetic, soundtrack and acting by Joaquin Phoenix, I don't know what to expect from Joker 2 since I honestly didn't want it to happen, but I'll keep my expectations low, not all sequels can be like The Godfather Part 2.
Along with the wokeness, I feel like the over-all morality of the people creating these movies is lacking. How are they supposed to make a movie about a character who stands for "Truth, Justice, and the American Way" when they hate all three of those things? The result is a hopeless, joyless superhero movie where you never grow to admire the main character based on his actions.
I think it’s more likely that we are witnessing the slow death of movie theater going. The only movies that can generate any sort of large revenue are super hero movies and 3D animation. Movie theaters have been propped up by ever-increasing prices while the amount of people that go to movies has steadily been going down for decades. Anything that is not a VFX spectacle can be easily accessed at home via the myriad of streaming platforms.
Video game movies and anime. Not imitation Hollywood anime. Actual genuine imported and subbed or dubbed anime will become huge. Video game movies like Mario and the forthcoming Nintendo cinematic universe. Where Nintendo makes sure to keep the values and integrity of the projects intact. I bet we will also see the sequel to Godzilla vs Kong break out and be bigger than anyone expects it to be.
video games movies and anime is trash and garbage and lame Marvel and dc superhero hollywood is better!!! Marvel and Dc is 👑 and Nintendo and Sega movies is for losers garbage!!
No! abostlotely not! video games and anime movies will never work for me or replace superhero films it got be something like tranformers cuz! i cant sit and watch garbage Nintendo and Sega movies!! i ratcher stay with superhero movies then shitty boring video game films!
@@Judyhopps-1iq Each to their own, but the public is speaking. The Super Mario Bros Movie was a bigger hit at the global box office than any superhero film released in 2021, 2022, 2023, or 2024 except for just one. The customers are voting with their wallets.
Sounds like we could have a reboot of the 70s and 90s, decades where it's going back to real world stories about 1 character going through this world we call life.
It's always a great tragedy when geek culture becomes mainstream. It becomes dumber, sillier, and over-exposed until it is dead, and all the while, a lot less cool.
Absolutely. I had a conversation with some friends a while back about how something being "owned by Disney" just makes it feel inherently less cool, they zap the edge out of everything. The PG rated George Lucas Episode 1 and 2 still had people losing limbs and being cut in half, and yet the PG-13 rated Episode 7-9 feel infinitely more childish, family oriented, immature and infantile than any of the original 6 films.
There is a baseline "goofy" that comes across in the Disney stuff. Even Marvel, Phase 1 films had humor but generally took things rather seriously, and by the time you get to phase 3 they are outright action-comedies most of the time. Ragnarok just felt like Rush Hour in space.
When something goes mainstream it is given pressure to be more bland and universal in execution, more "Safe" and that inherently dulls the aspects that made it unique and interesting to the original fans.
It's more of wokeness in these movies and shows and companies think this is what people want
@@adrianb714 "Wokeness"? Can you explain what you mean by that?
@@BreadAndWaterSurvivor for example the sequels. Lucasfilm try to make Rey to be so powerful that she has no weaknesses and she can't be beat and do everything. Similar to this feminist movement is going on where they believe they are better than men and can do anything better and don't need men.
at least it is not as Terrible as the Giant-Monsters sub-genre.
I hope original movies will be making a comeback
Hell yea! They deserve it! Tired of remakes and sequels. But, at this point in cinema, I bet it’s incredibly hard to think up good original plots after the hundreds of thousands of productions out there.
My guy, there are more original movies coming out today than there ever was before. You are underestimating how many original properties that are, and just think everything is a reboot or superhero movie which is not the case.
Whenever I hear someone complaining about "all we get are superhero mumbo jumbo, Star Wars, reboots & remakes there’s no originality coming from cinemas anymore" that just shows me you don’t know what the hell you’re talking about. There are original movies and original IPs. John Wick is an original franchise, Knives Out is an original franchise, A Quiet Place is an original franchise. People need to stop with this idea that no one is making original ideas anymore.
@@ComedyBros5 Over 250 movies/tv shows released in 2022 and ONLY 18 of them were in the superhero genre.
@@johnnyblaze973-p2m fr bruh, like they bitch about there being no original movies but completely ignore the original movies just so they can focus and cry like babies over remakes and sequels and superheroes.
If they actually got off of their lazy asses and googled movies that are original, they'll find a SHIT load of originality that they just always ignore.
The genre didn't fade. Incompetent people replaced talented ones, producing bad content with problems in visual effects, screenplay, acting and writing.
Yeah the genre is killing itself.
sadly they did this to themselves too much greed too much stupid woke employees as cheap labor
and destroying our favorites
Bingo!
@@SwaggerLikeUz they used to say the same thing about epics before Braveheart and about westerns before The Unforgiven. One job well done changes everything. Unfortunately, today's Hollywood (with few admirable exceptions) is under the rule of incompetence and wokeness, so aphaty is a tendency.
Agreed...
Hollywood’s idea of a hero, as opposed to everyone else’s idea, are completely at odds. Until this crop of studio heads, writers, and producers are gone, there will be no fixing it. These people cannot help themselves.
Sorry pal but you’re in the minority. A hero is not a racist billionaire like trump
many people's idea of hero is very similar to hollywood, it doesn't matter if they consider themselves the big or small guy. They don't understand a true superhero tale, the superhero films that have come out many of them are as shallow as the films in other genres, and those with so called depth are merely unrealistically nihilistic, when there is a film that isnt like that typically its in the west were it faces the most challenges.
The idea of heroes being humanized and having struggles is a recurrent theme even in mythology for millennia; it's not novel but an ancient clichee. What's new is those anti-woke shades you wear that make you see wokenesss everywhere. I can give you hundreds of shows and TV for a century that you would label "woke" today.
@@aishaalamoudi599 Avatar the Last Airbender would have gotten the horrendous snowflake conservative screeching that Legend of Korra did if it came out today.
@@haruhirogrimgar6047 Hi, I'm conservative... support trump... love god with all my heart... And Avatar is still one of my favorite shows of all time... Your a colossal fuckwit... have a nice day...
Disney has poisoned their own well. They really deserve this.
Disney made it so popular. No other studio would fund Marvel the same. See warner
The fans vote with money and leaving reviews. The fans have a lot of power.
@@mostmost1 even tho the funding is good but the whole woke messages will never please the audiences
@@joshuagraham2843 woke is a right wing nut term. Please stop using that in their crazy way. All comics would fit their woke definition since 1920. Just say racist white people only want to be the main focus of media and movies.
The fact you are happy about it means that you never wanted Disney to succeed in the first place.
We hope to see a generation of filmmakers rise who will give filmgoers the movies they want once these oversold franchises collapse in on themselves.
Thank you for mentioning identity politics and how longtime fans can feel and have been actively antagonized in certain cases rather unfairly.
You’re in the minority. lol pathetic white fragility. Grow up
Back when I used to be a kid and a teenager I used to love comic books and superheroes. Never did I feel that the comic books, the heroes, or the writers wear antagonizing me. There was even soul when new characters were written; some of them being part of what these woke writers wanted. Like The Runaways, Young Avengers, Avengers Initiative and Avengers Academy.
Ever since 2015 most of the time I picked a comic book, I feel like the writer had a vendetta against me. I wish the 2020 pandemic happened again but only to affect these scumbag writers so they can lose their jobs and leave comic books alone.
These are not the superheroes I grew up with, these are the heroes no kid deserves to grow up with...
@@abrahammesrajecorrea2349 Amen. 👍
Identity whining is the right term.
@@mostmost1 Yeah, all these conservative snowflakes unable to cope with diversity on the screen. The Harley Quinn show's open feminist themes helping to make it the most watched, highly rated, and beloved of DC's projects. Peacemaker and The Suicide Squad similarly amazing ratings while villainizing the u.s. government and having white nationalists as the villains. Captain Marvel and Black Panther being two of the most successful MCU movies ever made.
Yet all these snowflake conservatives bitch and whine about popular media somehow dying due to progressive messaging and diverse casting.
The superhero genre isn't dead. The tone of it it is, what's "killing" superhero genres are the jokes and goofiness in it. The History is repeating it self, just like Batman forever or Batman and Robin
Teach
It was the 3rd Thor movie, the beginning of the end
@@SHAKE-S-PIERRE I would say the beginning was Dr Strange 2
@@avinadadmendez4019 nah, homie. The 2nd Thor movie, for as garbage as it was, had the unecessary jokes in worst times. Like I remember that scene where Loki gets killed and Thor is obviously broken by this. You would think thr big guy wouls obviously remain grumpy and sad for at least the whole day... but no, then we jump to a scene where Thor is jealous Jane seems to try to be dating someone else. Or that old scientist being happy Loki was now dead despite Thor was in the same room when he said that.
Multiverse of Madness, for as bad as it could be regarding misplaced jokes and whatnot, was already like a 2nd ord 3rd generation product of the non stop jokes. And even at that I did love Wanda going psycho killer with the Illuminati from that other universe to prove she was a true menace; as well as Dr. Strange posessing Evil Dead style the corpse of his other self.
Taking America Chavez of the equation, I think the movie was kinda decent.
Good god your right it’s literally happening again ant man was on some Batman forever shit they had the same vibe kind of in a scary way it’s like Season 8 all over again
At first I was going to comment on how superhero movies are only dead when the fans and critics continue to contribute to the discourse of a dying industry and so-called poor/failed movies, but I really appreciated the thoughtful essay here. As a historian, I have been interested in how movies are reflections of American culture and I had always wondered what superhero movies say about our moment in time. What stood out to me in this video are your comments on how they reflect identity politics and political division. I think historians will likewise make that connection in the future looking back to the productions of today. Thanks for the upload
What now?
Major problem is the sagas are endless. This is cinema, it needs to end in some point.
Why do you think Disney wants to use this sagas?
They just can keep pushing more and more because they are endless
@@elpsykoongro5379 no they are not. Every story needs an end. What happens with the endless shows like the Simpson or shows that had a longer life that they should? . They becomes tiresome, bored and unimaginative. Same here. Best rembered shows are those which ended, even if theirs end were bad. Even comic books, from supposedly these movies are based on, has ends. Any new Superman or Spiderman collection has certain continuity with their lore but when a new collection starts, the previous has a finale.
@@chorchalvarez the thing is, Disney doesn't want to end, it will end if they stop getting money for this movies
@@elpsykoongro5379 that's a fact
okay if marvel or dc is done then i will no longer watch a film i dont like anime or video game films so no more new movies then goodbye.
On one hand I'm sad in a way since I'm a superhero fan, but on the other hand I'm excited for what's next for cinema.
i think super heros genera though was one of a kind. it can mix all genres together in one continuity. marvel can make a WW2 war film (Cap 1) a monster movie (Incredible Hulk) a fantasy film (Thor) a political thriller (Cap 2) a super hero team up film (all the Avenger films) a space opera (Guardians) a highest film (Ant man) its really not like westerns the only thing you can do with that genre was gun duals, train robberies, a sharif vs an outlaw. cowboys weren't going to space or fighting dark elves, they were riding horses and wearing cowboy hats. i honestly don't think anything comes after super hero films they already cover every genera
I'm not there's nothing else to really look forward to other than the stupid shit made by Disney.
excited is a bit of an overstatement, I would say, "looking forwarded".
@@evenhartwick4422 and then Spider-Man homecoming is a teenage high school movie theme which was really cool trying that new genre.
Lol I doubt this is the end of superhero movies. It’s not that bad just yet
It's always mind-blowing for me that in America Mangas became a mainstream thing, a generational relevant one, in the 2000s.
In Italy or France the generation that grew up with anime and manga is the one who was teen in the 80's.
well anime and mangas are dominating while video game genres are dominating too
@@DannRajeeh-mu9cr I completely agree
If I recall, the early 2000’s went through a fantasy boom with the lotrs trilogy, Harry Potter series, Narnia series, and many solo fantasy movies that failed to start a franchise.
Really hope we get another fantasy boom!
This... is... beautiful.
I've run across idiots in comments who say things like "saying we can't analyse an old book from our modern perspective is stupid. Why else would we have literature classes?"... and I had to explain "go back to school and beg your teacher's forgiveness, you fool. Why did you not for a moment think of understanding a different culture through a book of that culture?".
The beginning of this video alone is such a perfect illustration - the context of an era expressed in a directly comprehensible manner through the artifact of the movies of the time.
Thank you. Thank you for holding out some hope that stupidity hasn't completely overtaken RUclips. Thank you so dearly much.
I hate reboots and remakes for the same reason; why "update stories for younger generations"?
Movies are a form of art.
We are not repainting the Dutch masters every few years to attract young art fans either.
These paintings are unique.
I don’t think any particular genre is going to dominate Cinema over the next decade or two. I think instead we’re going to see something more akin to an artistic movement or style kind of like film noire dominate film and tv for a bit. What exactly this will be like, I don’t know.
Except animation Nathaniel. To me, that type of film never can be limited to a decade
@@Thomasmemoryscentral animation is not a genre, it’s a medium
I predict video game movies and shows will become more dominant. Once Hollywood sees how well the Mario movie does everyone is going to want something similar
@@idawg7332 That might actually be a real possibility. More and more video game properties are getting better in quality and gaining praise (like The Last Of Us and Sonic the Hedgehog). They even started out the same way as those other trends where the sucked at first before progressively getting better and gaining recognition.
i think they need to innovate, like look outside the box. maybe something like joker.
If they respect the source material, video game movies can make great films
Big "if"! Have you come across anything that has? Maybe The Last of Us, but I don't know that I.P./ game well enough to judge. Rings of Prime? She-Hulk? Loki?? Willow??? I honestly can't think of anything recent with any reverence for "the lore". Help me out, I'd love to be wrong.
@@liamrobinson2084 Street Fighter Assassins Fist. Done with a lower budget but totally faithful to the game
@@liamrobinson2084im hype for gran turismo movie. But for the racing not stroy
@@radamesrivera4193 thanks! I'll check it out!
@@ps2progamer814 thanks! I'll have a look!
Sometimes I think it isnt superhero fatigue, it's bad writing/character/movie fatigue, and the push of certain agendas/ideology
Those aren't mutually exclusive. It's what ultimately kills any genre in it's prime. Once you have a few massive successes, the floodgates open until eventually mediocrity takes over and people realize that they are either getting a bunch of low quality cash-ins, or they are watching the same thing over and over again. The fatigue comes from the fact that once Hollywood sees a new trend, they will milk the cow until it's dead, decayed, and turning to dust.
nah fuck super heros
“Agendas” were present in films since their conception.
It's the blurring the lines between heros and villians
Look at the most success comic movies this year GOTG vol 3 , Wakanda Forever and Into The Spider verse
The heros were heros not "dark and gritty" they didn't murder anyone , including the villians and the leads all were highly optimistic in saving people
And Wakanda Forever did the antihero right, he was a hero to his people and even was sympathetic to Wakandans then got humbled by Shuri and became more open minded to surface dwellers...
So it's not superhero fatigue, it's Hollywood listening to a small niche of edgelords who are the loud minority who want every hero to be a "bad ass" or "wise ass" and morally ambiguous
I've said many times if heros are acting like villians , why get behind the heros??
Those are direct responses to the fatigue. Writers got tired of writing the same generic superhero crap so tried to find new ways to make it interesting.
I'd say the identity politics element is the primary cause for the downfall. Since anime and manga still offer super heroes
thats whats turning me away from main stream american super hero stuff. its so obvious the writers are pushing an agenda. but my hero and one punch man are on fire. even none super hero stuff like Dragon Ball, One Piece or JoJo still have a lot of super hero elements to them at the end of the day its heros in colorful costumes stoping over the top evil villains, Goku is my new Superman, Frieza is my new Joker, Luffy is my new Spider-Man etc
@@evenhartwick4422 Anime is very hard to get into for me personally. I’m like Peter Griffin in that one cutaway gag on how he doesn’t understand anime. Or even sometimes when I get into a Twitter argument about anime, to quote StinkyBlueRat I would say “Anime is gay” as my counter argument as there are so many Twitter accounts that have anime pfp’s (no offense to yours) it’s endless.
@@JonathanGaeta believe it or not i wasn't into anime that much at all, but you gotta find the right one there are ones out there that will tickle your sensibilities. there are a lot of anime that also just don't do it for me i hear Naruto is great but I'm not really a ninja guy I've tried to get into it but its not my thing. you just gotta find one that speaks to you
This. It isn't that people aren't even disinterested in superhero storues. People are just sick of the boring and divisive woke garbage made by bad writers ajd inexperienced directors. Even in the midst of the general failure of so many CBMs and shows these last few years, the genuinely good ones are still rewarded: The Batman and Invincible come immediately to mind just for example. Make good stuff and the audience will come.
Trying to reduce everything to "wokeness" is silly. Let me do it to you; Antman3 is flopping but all 3 MCU films last year didn't; that's because they're woke and Antman3 wasn't. Shazam2 is flopping because Zachary Levi endorsed anti-wokeness, first one did better cause it remained woke. Black Adam, Morbius....not woke enough, therefore they flopped. HBO, the wokest, is also the GOAT. Conclusion; wokeness sells; it's so efficient that Rings of Power and Velma became hits despite being terrible. How am I doing?
It's not dead. They are making content nobody wants and pushing characters nobody wants. They trying to get rid of all the male leads with female replacements.
as a writer in that world, I can tell you that you have sort of bumped up against it but missed the point entirely. Producers (the money) are wary of change so when they can continue doing the same thing over and over and over and make a change in one seemingly "hip" way (using women in men's roles, or black leads, or asians etc) they do that but in the same situations they have always used. Dont' get caught up in the dopey "muhhh it's all woke pedos in Hollyweird" which is a very VERY specific bullet point they have fed you for much deeper reasons.
You describe an animated corpse.
The duopoly of Disneymarvel and DC haven't released anything good since Endgame / Aquaman. Sony have demonstrated the market is there to be satisfied, but until someone actually releases the product that resuscitates the genre, it's dead.
Typical insecurity from nerds. Keep crying
Isn't that... What they mean by "dead"?
It's not super hero fatigue. Increasing wokeness is having a negative effect on all genres of movies and TV shows. People are sick of it.
Not just wokeness
Ehh, the wokeness is one of many factors
Wokeness has truly losed all meaning . If a female character in a movie does literally anything,These idiots are going to regurgitate the same opinion that it's a personal attack on men.
Anyone remember, when Comic Books belonged to nerds? We were the outcasts, the loners. Nobody liked us and we used theses characters to live vicariously through. It got us through our young and teenage years. Early 20's even. Now it's just factory manufactured swill. This, Star Wars, Lord Of The Rings all poached from the enjoyment they were. Now they're weaponized to pursuit an agenda. Shame.
Sadly the more I think about it it feels like both fantasy and sci-fi genre were destined to become a sugarcoat for political propaganda
What do you mean "weaponized in pursuit of an agenda"?
Superheroes have always been political.
The first captain American comic came out before the States declared war against the axis.
When a genre lives long enough to see it self become terrible.
i think they need to innovate, like look outside the box. maybe something like joker.
@@jmgonzales7701 technically it's changing what's making things worse, if they just concentrated on on what made them successful before they changed things then hopefully the genre could've maintained it's title, but sadly that's not the case.
Bad writing and wokeness killed it.
No need to repeat yourself.😂
@@georgecisneros5281 no, no, it IS necessary. After all, most people wouldn't understand.
Let's also add changing characters into stuff they weren't before in this list. Because I still don't understand why they turned OG Iceman into a gay person when if they wanted to focus on LGBT+ characters, they already had lots of them; and they could create a new one as well on an original character like back in 2000s comic books... instead they turned a known womanizer who had decades of story.
Or turning Carol Danvers more insufferable than she was before by becoming Captain "I'm always perfect and commit no mistakes, so no apologies to anyone". Hell, when she used to be Miss Marvel, even if she had a bossy attitude, she was still human, with alcoholic problems and the same hero responsabilities and problems like Spidey and company.
Now we got writers that can't write a good story out of their ass to save their lives even if they were in a Saw movie. The 2020 pandemic proved that without selling their steaming hot garbage in bulk to the comic book stores so they would be the ones deealing with selling that, writers were doomed. And like any spoiled child, instead of blaming themselves they knew no one would buy their comics and decided to blame the fans; and I'm talking about true loyal comic book fans, not the woke twitter users they write this garbage to.
When did people stop writing good characters and storylines, or stoped having balls when writing new diverse characters and now only made said characters one dimensional by making their skin color, sexual preferences or gender their sole trait? Or the fact these same traits are used as a shield to defend writers and creators from the obvious backlash of their creations. And god forbid you said something against it because this would make you into any negative word finishing with "phobe" or "ist".
This is what happens when we let the type of people who haven't matured since 5th grade take over the industry
And fans who haven't matured, that they still care about comic books, have a say.
Forget about the superhero stuff, I particularly like your observation on what might be the next big emotional rallying point for American cinema (and by default, world cinema) - the underlying tension within America itself.
*Rubs hands together expectantly, but expects to wait at least another 10 years…*
it won't come tomorrow or even in a few years but this woke era we are going through is on its last legs. i can't wait until the mainstream kicks that nonsense to the gutter where it belongs.
I think that tension is already being manifest on screen - not in an honest, reflective kind of way, but through partisanship of production and writing for other unrelated shows and movies, alongside more honest entertainment that's struggling to produce and release while remaining neutral in an environment that, despite audience appreciation, is increasingly hostile to it's creation.
They're just gonna keep pushing identity politics until a good movie comes out. Holly-weird better figure it out before it's too late.
To be honest I don't think superhero genres are failing as you say is just becoming all of the same. Like when you go to a superhero movie you're expecting a big climax where explosions going to have in building to get destroyed all the humans that I make it out all in one piece but the season come out in the war zone. But every superhero movie has that ending there's nothing different
But you look at shows like the boys, invincible, they managed to do something different and take risk and still be superhero content the end of the day the fans are claiming to want more of because those shows took risks those shows and they showed something different
yea thats some what i think. superhero movies are quite diferent from what came before, they can be anything the film makers what it to be. they can be period sets, romcoms, the classic superhero movie, scary, crime noir, big arc stories (like infinite saga), drama, parent child relation, teen focus, so so much more they can be. but all depends on the people behind the screen and original they can be.
in my opnion superhero movie can never die, if they are done right.
What's dead is us just tolerating the bullshit they try to push and pass off as superhero content because they think they know better.
Absolutely but I doubt the superhero genre will ever recover to Endgame heights. They killed it.
I personally think we are going back to the action hero movie days. People want strong male hero’s regardless of what genre the movie is
Absolutely. It’d be epic to see again. The male action hero is kinda dead anymore. There’s no “it” man like there was with Tom Cruise or Bruce Willis.
After the huge success of Top Gun: Maverick, I think we might get more of that hopefully ✊🏻
Movies like Top Gun and the new John Wick movie are proving that. Even movies staring females like the Scream 6 movie did much better at the box office than either Ant-man or Shazam 2. It is because it's not woke and has good writing. People are sick of lazy writing and woke stuff.
@@theinsurance2450 couldn’t agree more 🙌🏻 I love a strong and well-written female character like Leia Organa and Sarah Connor. Unfortunately a lot of female characters in media these days are written to try to appeal to woke audiences, and it honestly takes away the entertainment value of the movie, show, game, etc. 🤷🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
As long as Hollyweird and the wokw mob from twittwr don't mess up with the stories and characters, we're good.
Man this is an excellent video the fact you summarized the evolution of the cultural zeitgeist in movies for half a century in easily ten minutes. Give this man an Oscar.
The problem isn’t the fact that they’re superhero movies. The problem is the lack of heart. Iron Man still holds up. Guardians is fantastic. They are movies that’s people can relate to while being their own thing. Superhero movies and TV today take no risks and are very corporately made.
Ironically Amazons superhero shows don’t feel like products. They’re fresh and unique. Invincible has probably the most standard superpowers. But how they portray his powers and conflict is what makes it interesting. He messes up. He fails. He gets the shit kicked out of himself time and time again but he never gives up.
Daredevil show still holds up. It’s a compelling story with complex characters outside of the great action. Matt is a lawyer who is also a vigilante. A catholic who enjoys taking his rage out on people. A blind man who can fight. The character alone has all these contradictions that make him compelling and make him feel real. The Disney + show won’t be as good. Not because it’ll be toned down in its graphic content, but because they don’t have the skill to just write a human story with nuance.
Thanks, I've been saying that most of the MCU or other movies like it feel very corporate, soulless, bland, generical and formulaic. And God I really love Netflix's Daredevil.
What's this "I can relate to it" bullshit.
Once, you could have fantasy characters who were powerful and strong like Superman, who were beloved, because they weren't like us.
Wanting characters who relate to toy shows the self-centredness of today's society.
@@dhenderson1810 the best characters are the ones with a human element. Ever heard of Spider-man?
Thanks for this insightful look at "the past decades" and what drove entertainment in the past. Well done, well said, and well articulated :)
(from someone who lived through most of those decades (60's onwards.))
Killed with woke
Yup, I'm not particularly excited for identity politics and other weird stuff like gender confusion and more of that targeted for blue haired people coming from the USA.
What’s woke ? Cause for decades they been changing a lot of POC characters to white characters
@@tyr3759 people that never even watched these movies lol. Rest in piss super hero genre no one will miss you, had no reason to leave either
Kindof ironic seeing how superheroes are a right wing concept
The "woke" ruins everything it touches. Sometimes it's ruined immediately and sometimes it's ruined gradually; but ultimately, it will be ruined.
Everything woke turns to shit
The current MCU proves that
I wouldn't say "woke" what ever it means. It's superhero movie/show fatigue.
@@Harold075 its mostly because of bad quality in the writing part of the movies all new superhero movies got trash ratings
also one punch man and my hero academia are still very popular its not superhero fatigue its an issue that marvel and dc have (the 80 years of milking might also add up to that)
@@argy7526 still writing is ok compared to previous decades and moderate comic book level. "Woke" is not problem, you just want to pick cherries. Few of superhero movies are not at Infinity war or Endgame level.
@@Harold075 the comic book level is far lower, there are some decent comics but both dc and marvel publish 50+ comics each the best ongoing comics in my opinion are moon knight and DCeased
phase 4 superhero movies/series having decent quality is something very few believe, most of them where bad take the list of the bad movies and series they released during phase 4:
she hulk, morbius, moon knight, ms marvel, shang chi, ant man 3, falcon and the winter soldier, black window, eternals, thor 4 and hawkeye
all of them are mid at best
also i never mentioned the woke problem i talked about the bad writing if you want to talk about woke and stuff like that go talk with an american because you know not everyone lives in america to care about your politics
It’s a mixture of:
- identity politics
- garbage writing
- boring storylines
- irrelevant characters that nobody even knows about (this one is particularly true in the case of Marvel, as they pretty much killed off all their A level heroes at the end of endgame).
Makes me sad how the DCEU failed. Most of their movies are garbage and I wish it had the same cohesiveness and success the MCU did. There was a time when CBM ruled cinema because of its quality writing and storytelling. Where did all of that go?
We could use something gritty and realistic, Marvel still has time to make Daredevil how it was and not water it down.
Don’t hold your breath
They destroyed King Pin in Hawkeye and Daredevil in She Hulk.
@@rachelleintexas338 how exactly did they destroy Daredevil in she hulk? Explain yourself
i think they need to innovate, like look outside the box. maybe something like joker. They need to make original takes with the characters.
The real problem is that those Marvel films were made for the Global audience, action and special effects being the international language of cinema. A movie has to play as well in Buenos Aires as in Seoul. And in doing so are bland and safe.
What's wrong if these are made for a global audience? Clearly a business wants to make money everywhere possible.
@@gloriathomas3245 the cost is the possibility of being bland and safe
@@gloriathomas3245 clearly you have a poor understanding of what a good film is
As long as there is a great script with the right actors and director it doesn't matter the genre it will be good. The problem is DC hasn't had many good scripts and Marvel has gone woke.
More like Marvel has put being woke over telling a proper, cohesive narrative.
And DC has to hold strong with mediocre movies in a dying universe before their movies ACTUALLY get good again.
The problem is comic books also became woke since 2015, at least with Marvel, which made me give up in them. It was obvious their movies would suffer the same fate.
And DC tries too hard in being dark or tries to hard in making a universe in their movies just like Marvel but it has no proper writing in them. Their live action movies are better off as stand alone movies like The Batman. Their animation movies is where a coexisting universe lies.
Amen.
The Nintendo and Sega cinematic universes may be the next big thing. Sonic has already had 2 successful movies, this Mario movie looks to be huge so we might be seeing the dawn of an era of decent video game movies as an entire genre.
The Nintendo and sega is trash!!!
marvel and dc is better!! sonic movie sucks
spider-man and batman movies are better!!
marvel and dc is the big thing and nintendo is lame as sega
i saw to god if it only video game movies then i will no longer watch a movie again! i hate mario movie and sonic film
Is it the genre that's dead? Or creativity itself?
Are we doomed to an endless recycling of remakes and reboots of remakes and reboots?
Get into K-Drama. Lots of originality, superb writing, and great actors
The superhero could have kept going strong if they used the right stories, and respected the characters. I mean they have xmen, fantastic 4, Doctor doom and other great characters in the bag. They could have started another great era of Marvel. It may not have reached the heights of popularity as Endgame, but it could've still been good. Instead they dove headfirst into the woke toilet, and now the stink is impossible to shake off. Like all once successful empires, the inevitable collapse always happens within not without. They only have themselves to blame.
People that complain about wokeness don’t know anything about movies.
@@damiantirado9616 and people who are woke don't know anything about good writing...
@@Crichjo32 if that where true then almost that means The Godfather, Taxi driver, Citizen Kane, empire strikes back and other movies considered masterpieces aren’t really masterpieces they’re just trash and woke. Like I said conservatives don’t know anything about movies all the greatest films have been written by liberals and those movies have woke politics.
Well we have reboot for DC. With they can show good stories Superhero genre can revive again. Not everytime Superhero genre means Marvel
@@damiantirado9616 you may complain all you want about anti-woke stuff... but the numbers don't lie. And from the looks of it, people aren't done with superheroes, they are done with writers doing identity politic writing, one dimensional annoying characters, characters suddenly being changed of their skin color/gender/sexual preferences and these traits being used as shields by the writers to protect themselves from how bad their creations are for the critics are just whatever word ends with "ist" or "phobe".
The comic book industry was proven dead when the 2020 pandemic happrned and the writers realized they were screwed due to selling their comic books online by units instead of selling them as bulk to comic stores that had to deal with trying to sell that steaming hot garbage on their own. And instead of blaming themselves for their product, they decided to blame the readers.
Yeah, no, people aren't tired of superheroes, they're tired of writers not knowing what good storywriting or good characters are like and decide to rely on going woke. Superheroes as a whole are dead because of this.
Looks like the Joker got the last laugh.
I think we are heading to a 70s era 2.0 in films people dont want the flashy fake heroes in costumes anymore we want our more realistic action heroes back Which is why I think Top gun Maverick did so well and why John wick 4 is currently doing so well. Time will tell but. Honestly see us heading for a full on cultural reboot where and a battle between what kinds of stories the public wants vs what the studios think we want.
Go woke go broke
I think that the next decade will be marked by the rise of the independent film.
It would be great and makes diversification of genres, stories and distincts publics more easy
Im calling it now, it is finally the documentaries time to rise
I think the genre is well and alive.
It's specifically fanbases getting tired of the big entertainment industry that fails to pander to their wishes.
Also, genre fatigue - Every once in a while a genre gets so bloated it kinda loses it's meaning.
People liked the original super-hero stories, because they offered interesting characters with some relatable problems and a big world... Those same comics also got over convoluted in their own weird ideas that they lost track of themselves.
It's very hard to keep such genres going forever, because stories are driven thin... Characters lose their point, conflicts turn into long dragged out and detached issues, and everything loses it's humanity, because the original concept is just no longer valid.
I guess they'll refreshen the genre by just... Lowering the stakes.
Spiderman is good as long as it's just a small superhero in a big city fighting a weird set of local Villans with their own relatable problems, as well as the hero facing weird real life issues to juggle through.
Batman for example, is pretty much the most down-to-earth super-hero concept there is... His whole theme works because he is a plausibility... The Villans there themselves remain rather unmagical, just wacked up and incredibly crazy, and it makes batman almost immortal because he stays in gotham, and he can't really solve the issues there - no matter how much power and money and skill he has.
That's why it's working... The city of Gotham is much more alive than any city in any other comic, and the city is the focus, it's problems, the issues of corruption and how you get to know the feel and vibe of what goes on there, rather than just heroes and villains detached from an actual world.
Some generic aliens with sky beams and various global affairs ends up overly detached, especially when they are being solved one after the other... So, people get tired to follow it.
The whole "Woke" phenomena is just an industry full of itself... If they want to deliver a message, they need to be subtle about it.
i think they need to innovate, like look outside the box. maybe something like joker. They need to make original takes with the characters.
@@jmgonzales7701 For that, they need writers and teams that actually have something new to express.
They need to get out and explore life... There's a reason they keep drawing from existing materials (Comics/Folk lore/older franchises, etc')
- They have nothing new to add themselves, they have the life experience of a spoiled toddler.
That's exactly why "Wokism" is a thing - The creators are so empty all they have to say is some bland political affiliation.
@@Shimamon27 yes i agree. And impretty sure there are still some goods one out there. Alot of people say that writers need to use the source material more. I dont think so, i think they need to totally reinvent characteres, story, genres etc. That ofc provided they just dont turn everyone lgbt and trans.
I sure hope the superhero movie time is over, bad cgi, race/gender switching, bad writing and wokeness is too much. Lets get back to make movies like the God Father or good stuff , real Dramas and Action Dramas.
It’s gonna be video game movies. Audiences like playing games because it makes them feel in control. Watching game characters can have a similar effect, if executed properly
No! abostlotely not! video games movies will never work for me or replace superhero films it got be something like tranformers cuz! i cant sit and watch garbage Nintendo and Sega movies!!
i ratcher stay with superhero movies then shitty boring video game films!
okay if marvel or dc is done then i will no longer watch a film i dont like anime or video game films so no more new movies then goodbye.
This is the best breakdown of how film mirrors culture, the good and bad aspects, that I've ever had the opportunity to see. Very well done.
I can’t say I’m shocked. Mediocre content, mixed with large quantities of it will do that. And to be honest, I’m glad. I love superheroes a lot but the genre has become lazy as of recent. Sure we have good movies like NWH, but even that is nostalgia filled. Plus you have ideologically pushing elements at the cost of story and characters and well, it leads to Ant man 3 bombing. The next big thing I see is video game movies. TLOU, Sonic, Arcane and other hits have a foundation and the Mario movie,if good, will open that doorway. All in all, CB should just go in the background for a bit. Focus on quality, instead of substance less spectacle.
i think they need to innovate, like look outside the box. maybe something like joker. They need to make original takes with the characters.
The last Avengers movie was the end of an era, many beloved superheroes died, and the ones who survived had terrible movies later. Black Panther 2 could've been good, but unfortunately the actor who played him died in real life, so they did a gender switch, and people didn't like that. DC in the other hand has had fun movies that came out outside of Snyder's reign, but people are too harsh to them, and all the uncertainty and drama behind WB's decisions on their properties made people tired too
Zsjl was a Great Movie
The superhero genre is dying, now comes the era of the villains.
😂😂😂
to be honest- the end can't come soon enough.
Hollywood is completely devoid of any creativity- in fact it feels like a mini dark age has arrived in modern culture.
Identity politics and modern puritanism share much of the blame- its very hard to be creative or avant garde in such an environment- however western society has just become a little more vapid and self centred as part of a long coming trend.
Maybe someone else will step in and fill that void? Maybe we will see the rise of film making and new stories coming from somewhere unexpected? It might kickstart an indie movie scene in another 5 to 10 years, or bollywood will step in?
All I know is that nature abhors a vacuum and after a cultural decline, comes a renaissance.
Meanwhile in Japan....
"hey guys, wanna see Kamen Rider and Ultraman saving the world from the bad guys?"
hell no! i never watch japan stuff!
I truely hope this type of movies really is done. It's all woke political messaging now and it's vomit inducing.
I don't think superhero genre is dead (at least not because of a lack of interest). The problem is: Those movies and series are NOT about superheros doing superhero-stuff.
You can apply the same reasons why marvel/dc failed to IPs like: Terminator, Star Wars, Star Trek, Jurassic Park, Ghostbusters, Lord of the Rings (Rings of Power), Resident Evil, Willow, Predator, Men in Black, Stargate (Universe), Doctor Who and so on and so on...its universal...give the audience what they wish and don't try to fool them, or noone is buying your product any more.
If you listen to the screenwriters and actors: Its about them. Its not the IP they handle, nor the character they play, nor the idea / philosophy / concept of the source material they work with. They take something, twist it and make their own stamp on it, instead creating something new. And this is why all of them fail, because its not what their audience is expecting / would like to see.
It's the writing; in the past, comics, TV and film writers largely drew upon their experience in the real world then translated that experience into metaphorical stories to represent larger themes. Now we have people creating whose only reference point is another media. They either haven't lived enough or can't draw upon those experiences creatively. The result is fiction that feels forced and fake, and certainly does not have universal appeal. It's also way too much about politics; the timeless tales cross all boundaries and appeal to the overall human condition, not just the "left" or "right' or whatever, but everyone.
The only reason the recent superhero genre specifically from Marvel have continually failed is due to blatant woke programming message that has taken over the Hero’s Journey and the concept of story telling.
While I agree with your treatise of modern cinema’s revolution and narrative from the 70’s to modern day cinema.
However should story and character be at the forefront of any movie genre, then we will see the return of profit and interest.
Much like the Dark Knight which shows how story and character can break genres and showcase what is possible.
When the audience is challenged with compelling stories and themes, people will return to the theatres.
There's mountains worth of content untapped going back decades in comics, and brands other than marvel and DC that could still be hits. Instead they want to focus on characters and stories that didn't even sell in their own comics. Iron heart bombed, Capt marvel bombed, comics in general are bombing now. No one wants to see movies of this
Every generation finds its groove, imagery, tone, zeitgeist, but what amazes me is the feedback loop from youth culture to the studios seems to have been broken. In the 80s/90s, older studio directors, writers, vfx pioneers essentially tapped into Gen X teen and 20s years, made entertainment for them, and it worked. Gen X did great work once they hit 40s. But the youth are now ... playing Fortnight. I'm not kidding - gaming is a $94b industry, film is about $12b. The kidz are online, with a Discord channel open, swapping memes and reels as they play. My teen kids don't care about movie genres. They care about niches. Watching YA fiction series from 10 years ago. So the decline of Big Ent and Big Studio is not such a problem, once one conceives of the positive alternative framing - fragmentation becomes innovation, genre entropy becomes stylistic opportunity etc. I personally think alternate history and sci-fi will be huge, but what do I know...
Superhero Genre is literally what destroyed cinema
Movies like Top Gun and the new John Wick movie are proving people still want to see movies just not the current state of Superhero movies. Even movies staring females like the Scream 6 movie did much better at the box office than either Ant-man or Shazam 2. It is because it's not woke and has good writing. People are sick of lazy writing and woke stuff. Even the writers of Dungeons & Dragons how to come out to say some of the writing decisions, weren't because of woke. They felt the need to do that because Hollywood is slowly starting to learn that woke means less money.
All of the main characters are fading away they have nothing to add to the super hero genre it will soon become a fad
I don't think the Super Hero genre is anywhere close to dead. Maybe the current iteration is though (or at least it needs to die) the recent movies are just cookie cutter, rubbish.
Marvel/DC etc are always going to have fans that are ready to spend money, it's just the products being put out these days (for the most part) are terrible (At least where films are concerned... most of the TV shows suck as well TBH)
It's not dead as a whole. Just the woke live adaptations.
The genre is NOT dead. The people who have control have dead ideas.
I've been waiting 10 years for its death. Yeah! FINALLY!
Finally. Capeshit peaked with The Dark Knight.
Video Game films could become the next big genre
No! abostlotely not! video games movies will never work for me or replace superhero films or comic books
it got be something like Tranformers or gi jeo cuz! i cant sit and watch garbage nintendo and sega movies!! i hate video game shit
okay if marvel or dc is done then i will no longer watch a film i dont like anime or video game films so no more new movies then goodbye.
I think Japan will take over the superhero genre. With successful movies like Shin Ultraman and Shin Kamen Rider. I believe they can resurge the superhero genre like they did with Comics aka Manga
No! abostlotely not! japan movies will never work for me or replace marvel and dc superhero films sorry pal!
Woke politics have killed cinema and care free happiness.
lmao conservatives just make everything about polos now and can’t stop crying about literally everything
Its amazing how many channels I have to request RUclips not to show me. Lol
It’s about damn time
I just realized that the 80's had some of the best movies.
Perfectly thought out video. Let the beam commence.
Nah. The moment the Fantastic 4 and X-men come in, it's back.
Xmen been has had movies with Fox.
Although there was a lot of westerns there were a lot more genres thriving in the box office
Thanks for another amazing video. I found your channel with your TAR review, and you’ve become my favourite youtube channel. I really appreciate what you do.
Thanks, man.
False. My Hero Academia is doing very well. The more accurate way to phrase this is that AMERICAN Superhero media is dead.
Because it was never meant to be a GENRE. If only they’d just write movies & use superheroes to enhance the scale of drama.
This is the 4th time in the last 20 years that superhero comics died
The greatest Hollywood films in years are Top Gun: Maverick, The Whale, M3gan and Cocaine Bear.
John wick
@@ps2progamer814 TRUE!😊
The Batman?
@@hemantks4353 I was reffering to non superhero films.
Nah
There are far better movies
Batman 🤝🏻 Spider-Man, both carrying the superhero genre.
The wokeness killed comic book movies along with those, and those write the stories don’t know how to tell a good story.
i remember back in 2015 everybody was talking about marvel excited for the next avengers film or another marvel instalments now nobody i mean nobody talks about marvel anymore i guess Disney focused more about quantity then good writing
Finally. I've enjoyed some of the superhero movies but I've never really been a fan. I remember not even wanting to see Iron Man because I was already tired of the genre. Then they took over everything. Maybe we'll actually get something original now.
Hey now, Iron Man was awesome. Lol
@@ComedyBros5 I know. That’s one of the few superhero movies I liked. I’m just saying I never liked the genre and I’m ready for it all to go away.
Yeah I'm never been a huge fan either, in fact I didn't found value in comics until I started reading about their history after watching a documentary with Stan Lee (R. I. P). About the few superheroe movies I like, I would say Christopher Reeve's Superman (except the 4th one), Tim Burton's Batman, Spider-Man trilogy (3rd one is my least favorite), The Dark Knight Trilogy and even the new Batman movie was better than I expected.
Somehow I enjoyed Marvel's phase 1 better than the rest of the franchise, I later found out why since those movies took better care in their production, I liked Dr. Strange (I like Bennedict Cumberbatch), Guardians of the Galaxy (I love it's soundtrack) and a bit of Ant-Man, but mostly on visual level, it's not that I have analyzed MCU that deep and I don't need to, they weren't made for that, they were made for mass audiences that do not need much analysis, they are bland, corporate, formulaic and generic cashgrabs, they are full of stars, explosions and humorous tones (which I had enough of, just like with comedy films in recent years) to please most casual viewers (not even comic book fans), after earning their money they forget about it (just like modern mainstream music), I only went to see Infinity War and Endgame because of the hype and because a relative of mine sent me the money, to the point where I pretended to be interested so I wouldn't look bad, I admit they were ultimate experiences and seeing the audience react like crazy is something maybe I would never see again, but in retrospect the movies (especially Endgame) are not very good.
Can I say I really liked Joker (2019)? I had huge expectations on that because I knew it was going to be something else, not a superhero movie, but a psychological drama inspired in 70s movies that I love like Death Wish or Taxi Driver and I never heard of The King of Comedy until that point so I watched it and liked it, Joker uses a comic book character to explore a more gritty and realistic world (just like Nolan's Batman did) and the limits of mental illness, I feel like the movie managed to express my frustrations with the system well, the things that Arthur said in the host show scene are mostly true (even though I do not support violence), great aesthetic, soundtrack and acting by Joaquin Phoenix, I don't know what to expect from Joker 2 since I honestly didn't want it to happen, but I'll keep my expectations low, not all sequels can be like The Godfather Part 2.
And This is why Independent Comics like the rippaverse is gonna win and take over
Along with the wokeness, I feel like the over-all morality of the people creating these movies is lacking. How are they supposed to make a movie about a character who stands for "Truth, Justice, and the American Way" when they hate all three of those things? The result is a hopeless, joyless superhero movie where you never grow to admire the main character based on his actions.
Yep, spot on, arrogant, morally bankrupt angry feminists trying to push agendas instead of good story telling.
Dont worry it will come back soon
I have high hopes for DCU. I'm really hoping for a Deathstroke movie.
Never going to happen.
Nobody Cares about Deathstroke.
@@tigermask3831speak for yourself. He's a popular character.
I think it’s more likely that we are witnessing the slow death of movie theater going. The only movies that can generate any sort of large revenue are super hero movies and 3D animation. Movie theaters have been propped up by ever-increasing prices while the amount of people that go to movies has steadily been going down for decades.
Anything that is not a VFX spectacle can be easily accessed at home via the myriad of streaming platforms.
Analog horror will rise
Video game movies and anime. Not imitation Hollywood anime. Actual genuine imported and subbed or dubbed anime will become huge.
Video game movies like Mario and the forthcoming Nintendo cinematic universe. Where Nintendo makes sure to keep the values and integrity of the projects intact.
I bet we will also see the sequel to Godzilla vs Kong break out and be bigger than anyone expects it to be.
video games movies and anime is trash and garbage and lame
Marvel and dc superhero hollywood is better!!!
Marvel and Dc is 👑
and Nintendo and Sega movies is for losers garbage!!
No! abostlotely not! video games and anime movies will never work for me or replace superhero films it got be something like tranformers cuz! i cant sit and watch garbage Nintendo and Sega movies!!
i ratcher stay with superhero movies then shitty boring video game films!
@@Judyhopps-1iq Each to their own, but the public is speaking. The Super Mario Bros Movie was a bigger hit at the global box office than any superhero film released in 2021, 2022, 2023, or 2024 except for just one. The customers are voting with their wallets.
@@ChrisPeteG MARVEL DC>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>NINTENDO SEGA MOVIES
@@ChrisPeteG i saw to god if it only video game garbage then i will no longer watch a movie again!
Horror is taking over again!!! 🔥
Nope it's totally not dead JOKER 2 & DEADPOOL 3 To look forward to... everything else is for the kids. . . It's ok don't panic
Sounds like we could have a reboot of the 70s and 90s, decades where it's going back to real world stories about 1 character going through this world we call life.
Interesting. Joker was a very successful comic book film that echoed 70s film like Taxi Driver.
@@xenobreak1160 yep, superhero movies with real stories are the next evolution of the genre.
@@senister14 Precisely
@The Dark Knight yeah, example would be joker.
It’s sad how DC and Marvel has gone down hill…
If I wrote a superhero series with my own spin to it, would anyone to be interested in reading it?
"I am Inevitable."
- Thanos, Greek Philosopher
I say the rise of A24 is a big factor.