Did Jesus Deny Being God in Mark

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  •  8 месяцев назад +37

    As a kid I remember asking the same thing about this passage to my mom, and she said to me, "The question is not to imply he isn't God. Quite the contrary, it is to imply that if the rich man couldn't see Jesus as God, what benefit would there be in seeing him as just good?" And boy, does that apply to how the world sees Jesus today...

  • @TestifyApologetics
    @TestifyApologetics 8 месяцев назад +11

    I don't think Oneness argue that Jesus denied being God here. They think he is God, just that he is also the Father and the Son. Could you be thinking of JWs? Otherwise I agree with your assessment and Dan has a lot of bad takes.

    • @KevinDay
      @KevinDay 8 месяцев назад +3

      Thank you for correcting this 🙂 I grew up Oneness Pentecostal and every time a Trinitarian completely misunderstood the position it just made me even more resistant to the truth.

    • @davidjanbaz7728
      @davidjanbaz7728 8 месяцев назад

      Dan's videos R : Religious studies programed cringe !

  • @5BBassist4Christ
    @5BBassist4Christ 8 месяцев назад +4

    Everytime I hear this aguement I tell this story:
    When I was in my late teens/early 20s, I was out in public and these two guys came up to me saying I was a musician. "Why do you think I'm a musician?" I asked.
    The fact is, I was (am) a musician, but they couldn't have known that by looking at me. Did they judge me to be a musician because of my long hair? They judged me by appearance.
    In the same way, this young man judged Jesus by "appearance", -thinking that if he's a teacher he must be good. But does being a teacher make you good? No.
    These men judged me correctly for being a musician, but judged me for wrong reasons. It is not long hair that makes somebody a musician. In the same way, this young man judged Jesus rightly for being good, but judged him for the wrong reasons. It is not being a teacher that makes a person good.
    So Jesus' answer was to challenge the young man's view of what being good means, -not a matter of outward appearance of what we do, but a standard so strict that only God (himself) can obtain.

  • @JabberW00kie
    @JabberW00kie 8 месяцев назад +9

    The conclusion dawned on me halfway through the video, and you confirmed it at the end. I’ve seen this passage talked about many times on both sides of the Trinity debate and somehow missed the subtle declaration of Jesus’s own divinity at the end of the passage.
    Just goes to show, people like Dan McClellan who think themselves so smart and educated are still susceptible to aamateurish, surface level interpretations that miss the full message the Gospel writers intended. Everyone has bias to some degree, but it can’t be allowed to corrupt the original meaning of the text.

    • @jimjuri6490
      @jimjuri6490 8 месяцев назад

      Jesus replied. "You said it correctly. Only God is Good and I am he."
      He didn't did he. Think a bit rationally.

  • @joshuacantin514
    @joshuacantin514 8 месяцев назад +5

    I think your interpretation makes more sense contextually, though I have toyed with the notion that Christ may have been poking at the Pharisees here. That is, the question is rhetorical, but Christ is effectively saying: Only God is good, but you call me good. Are you admitting I am God?
    I think this is too far out of context (the Pharisees are not mentioned as being present, for example), but I found it intriguing.

  • @jaredgilmore3102
    @jaredgilmore3102 8 месяцев назад +8

    Dr. Falk, thanks for these videos, taking complex and common bible issues breaking them down clearly and concisely is oddly hard to find on RUclips, I know other excellent youtubers like Mike Winger have breakdowns like this but having a ten minute video I can share or review before talking with someone about the subject is very useful as opposed to shifting through an hour to two hour video for the meat of the content I am looking for.

    • @micahprice2807
      @micahprice2807 8 месяцев назад +3

      I agree! It’s really hard to convince someone to listen to Winger’s incredible Mark bible study… even someone interested…. When I say, “70 one hour episodes” their eyes gloss over and I know, they won’t listen to it….

  • @karl5395
    @karl5395 8 месяцев назад +3

    Well put.
    As you rightly point out, some eisegetically read into this passage that Jesus denies his his deity.
    But Jesus is saying in this text that He is either not good or He is God

  • @13lackWingedOne
    @13lackWingedOne 8 месяцев назад +8

    Really been enjoying your content. I’ve been having good discussions with my friend (he is old earth, I’m young earth). I’m curious, how do you interpret God’s promise with the rainbow to never flood mankind again?

  • @ramadadiver7810
    @ramadadiver7810 8 месяцев назад +2

    I love how Dr falk emphaises . Marks theology states only God can forgive sins . And yet jesus foegjves sims in mark

  • @charlottemarand
    @charlottemarand 8 месяцев назад +1

    Thanks for clarifying the context of the verse and chapter. Glory be to LORD Jesus.

  • @Thehaystack7999
    @Thehaystack7999 8 месяцев назад +6

    You’re correct. To me it seems similar to Matt 16:13, Christ asks, not because He doesn’t know, but as a principle and allowing a witness of Christ to speak as a witness, to testify, they must trust their testimony even under pressure of social circumstances and of worldly comforts. Peter is again tested in this under greater pressure but ultimately repents and maintains his faith to the sealing of his testimony of Christ with his blood.
    The rich young man had his mansion on earth, but could he sacrifice the things of this world, give his life to Jesus in not just word but deed. Could he lay down his life for the ministry like those apostles and early saints did? Which riches does he prefer? The Savior was giving the young man an opportunity to know the very character of God by sacrifice and experience. I think that scripture emphasizes that Jesus is the Messiah , that He is The Way, The Truth and The Life, and no man cometh unto the Father but by Him. Would the young man sell of the virtues of God for worldly riches? Christ asking the young man to forsake all and follow Him was an immense mercy.
    Thank you!

    • @Thehaystack7999
      @Thehaystack7999 8 месяцев назад +3

      6:39 oh! You do mention Peter 😅 well done! 👍🏻

    • @ihatespam2
      @ihatespam2 8 месяцев назад

      Perhaps the rich man didn’t give up all his belongings, because the story of heaven wasn’t convincing to him. I mean, there’s nothing convincing about it. So, Jesus failed to communicate the truth of the claim. Why haven’t you sold all your belongings? You don’t have that much so it should be easier. Sounds like the rich man is closer than you.

    • @Thehaystack7999
      @Thehaystack7999 8 месяцев назад +5

      @@ihatespam2 Jesus never failed, if that is the view then perhaps you have failed to understand. And all I have of this world are for the establishment of Zion and nourishment of His children. Is it better to forsake my family to be left to the state while I minister on a street corner and call on others to care for the poor? Or is it better that I consecrate my day to teaching my children and all who will listen the gospel of Jesus Christ and do so not just by word but by deed? I did give all of my money to pay my way to preach the gospel for 2 years, I had no home to return to and had no idea what would happen, yet I did it. I returned broke but by the goodness of my brother he gave me a place to stay while I worked to build a foundation to raise a family. We paid for our education out of pocket, I served in law enforcement and now we grow what we can for our own sustenance and share with others and we homeschool our children. My life is consecrated to raising my family in Christ and serving my fellow man all the while still fulfilling church callings and paying tithes and offerings and still serve as a delegate and participant in my community in preserving our liberties from tyrants. All while being criticized by the ignorance of the world. There is more than one way to give of all your riches, I may not have much money, but of my riches I do give all of. It’s not much, but it’s all I have. Sorry if that doesn’t meet your satisfaction.

    • @ihatespam2
      @ihatespam2 8 месяцев назад

      @@Thehaystack7999 Zionism is racist BS. As is most of the OT.
      Jesus did fail. It clearly says, in his words, he would knock down Rome in his lifetime. He failed, his apocalyptic delusion of grandeur was met by reality and he was killed for sedition, due to his claims of being a king.
      Your anecdotes are meaningless in this context. And your snide suggestion that it’s MY satisfaction at stake is kind of shitty.
      Either something is convincing, logical, and supported by the facts or it isn’t. The fact that your epistemology is so weak, that you are easily convinced isn’t a criticism of me.
      Is Jesus god? Did god drown every child on earth because he was mad at the parents? According to that story book, yes. Is that the behavior of a loving god? No. Did Jesus say honor your parents, but not , honor your children? Did he say don’t beat your children. Did he criticize the OT or say every word is correct? Does the OT say it OK to own and beat your slaves within an inch of their lives, yes!
      Jesus is not an ethical model, he is a cult leader demanding love under threat of punishment. That’s like an abusive husband or parent, who should be locked away, not worshipped. But, it is just a story…
      Please don’t saddle your poor children with such horrible teachings. Allow them to think for themselves, but showing them a strong epistemology, not some dangerous and weak, belief system, which makes them prone to delusion and subservience.

  • @tygersoul
    @tygersoul 8 месяцев назад +3

    PREACH. God bless you!!

  • @christiangadfly24
    @christiangadfly24 8 месяцев назад +2

    This video is great. Thanks for making this, I've often wondered about this verse.
    Also, your voice sounds like Zach Galifianakis's voice.

  • @lclyd
    @lclyd 8 месяцев назад +6

    I like Red Pen Logic's simple answer to this. RPL replies Sure Jesus said only God is good, yet he called himself the Good Shepherd.

    •  8 месяцев назад +1

      That is a brilliant connection.

    • @jimjuri6490
      @jimjuri6490 8 месяцев назад

      Plenty of people are termed good. That doesn't make them into God.
      1 Kings 1:42....Then Ad·o·niʹjah said: “Come in, for you are a GOOD man, and you must bring good news.”
      Jesus' point was that GOOD can only apply to God. Others have to work at being good. God doesn't.

    • @patrick953
      @patrick953 8 месяцев назад +2

      ​@@jimjuri6490Stop making up stuff. At the end of the passage, Jesus says it is humanly impossible for a person to be saved, but Jesus says that he is the one that saves.
      It doesn’t take a genius to put two and two together.

    • @jimjuri6490
      @jimjuri6490 8 месяцев назад

      @@patrick953 : Matthew 19:25 When the disciples heard that, they were greatly astounded, saying: “Who really can be saved?” 26 Looking at them intently, Jesus said to them: “With men this is impossible, but WITH GOD all things are possible.”
      Jesus never said "with ME" did he?

  • @pv6830
    @pv6830 8 месяцев назад +3

    definitely I learned from this video
    thanks

  • @maremare1655
    @maremare1655 8 месяцев назад

    I've been wondering about the quote regarding Eye of the needle. 20 years ago I heard a sermon where the preacher explained that the Eye of the Needle was the entrance where you had to remove all your belongings from the camel so the camel could go through the "Eye of the Needle - a gateway so to say; Is the"eye of the needle" a geographic location to the entrance in those times? Do you agree with this assessment?

  • @georgesparks7833
    @georgesparks7833 8 месяцев назад +1

    Interesting topic for an egyptologist. However, I enjoyed it. Way to go.😊

  • @nanadeborah8717
    @nanadeborah8717 8 месяцев назад +1

    Thank you. More and more I have videos suggested to me that "prove" Jesus is not God. Taking scripture out of context to prove an incorrect presumption is certainly a twisting of it as satan so loves to do.

  • @bryankroll-yv8vk
    @bryankroll-yv8vk 15 дней назад

    Very nice interpretation

  • @wol2503
    @wol2503 8 месяцев назад

    Great video.
    To your piont, this passage of scripture has to do more with the rich young man and our preception of following Jesus rather than trying to show Jesus denies his God hood.
    My Pastor taught on the economical system during this time and how the rich young man could have made his wealth. It was interesting to understand what Jesus was asking of Him. Instead of taking and building his own wealth and status, Jesus tells him to give to the poor and help them flourish.
    The rich young man's wealth was probably attached to his families, so in a sense he would be leaving his family, wealth, and status to follow Jesus.
    Thank you for teaching on this.

  • @enzorillotv
    @enzorillotv 8 месяцев назад +1

    Hey Dr .David What are your thoughts on The habiru, The shasu of Yahweh and the Worshipers of El? Got in a heavy debate with someone who thinks these 3 groups combined religions to create Judaism after the exodus.
    Is there any proof for this claim?

    • @daduzadude1547
      @daduzadude1547 8 месяцев назад +3

      Hey there,
      Check in Dr Falk’s playlist, he has discussed this 😊

    • @enzorillotv
      @enzorillotv 8 месяцев назад

      @@daduzadude1547thank you so much, do you know exactly what video? I can’t seem to find it

    • @501Mobius
      @501Mobius 8 месяцев назад +1

      @@enzorillotv I think there are separate videos for those. The Shasu are generally taken to be in Edom while the 'habiru are in Canaan and Syria. I don't know of any video where they are dealt with together.

  • @Gaulcel
    @Gaulcel 7 месяцев назад

    I know that it's kinda hard to tell (at least from my perspective), but when do you think Moses wrote the Pentateuch? It must've been during the wandering period, of course, but do you think it was in the beginning of the period or near the end? Thanks in advance!

    • @ancientegyptandthebible
      @ancientegyptandthebible  7 месяцев назад +1

      I think the Pentateuch was written over 40 years. I think it was the loose papers, law codes, and memoirs of Moses that were later organized into the five books we have today.

  • @gabrielsyme4180
    @gabrielsyme4180 8 месяцев назад +1

    Heresy this blasphemous is enough to make Santa Claus punch a priest.

  • @Yan_Alkovic
    @Yan_Alkovic 8 месяцев назад

    Very interesting take about the rich man having lied about having kept the commandments. I always saw the part about Jesus loving him as confirmation of his truth, and the whole passage was very powerful, because it showed just how damning money and worldly possessions can be, if even someone who had kept the commandments would be excluded from heaven due to his love of possessions.
    But when he's assumed to be a liar it just presents him as an entirely despicable individual. What is it that implies that he's lying though?

    • @ihatespam2
      @ihatespam2 8 месяцев назад

      A comment within a story about a character is in no way a confirmation about anything. That’s like saying, the thing I’m supposed to believe says believe it, so it must be believed. It circular and in no way convincing of anything whatsoever.

    • @501Mobius
      @501Mobius 8 месяцев назад +3

      "What is it that implies that he's lying though?" Exactly. What if he was a Job like character? He was rich. Are we to assume that the premise of the Book of Job is a lie? Jesus said so.

    •  8 месяцев назад +3

      I don't think that he's lying. Indeed he really thinks that he's straight as an arrow, but the irony is that his own conscience tells him he has no security of eternal life. I think Jesus' love for him is precisely because of how much he wants to please God while being ignorant of how short he falls from doing that. It's kind of like the love a parent feels for a child when he gives you an ugly drawing of a cat that he drew himself. The child doesn't know how bad the drawing is, but the parent loves him all the more for it. That is much like the love of God for us while we were in our trespasses and sins.

    • @Yan_Alkovic
      @Yan_Alkovic 8 месяцев назад

      @ Yeah I can see that

  • @antoniotodaro4093
    @antoniotodaro4093 8 месяцев назад

    That Muslim apologists still cite said verse to corroborate their views is jarring

  • @maremare1655
    @maremare1655 3 месяца назад +1

    Was surely a probative question; the young man was dishonest.

  • @andrewhenry4168
    @andrewhenry4168 8 месяцев назад

    Your mother gave an intelligent answer

  • @missionisagape
    @missionisagape 8 месяцев назад

    thanks

  • @davidjanbaz7728
    @davidjanbaz7728 8 месяцев назад

    Good job : i respond on Dan's Data ( actually Dogma ) all the time: obviously Dan who says he isn't an atheist and is still looking at the Godhead through a Mormon Paradigm of a separate god not equal to the Father ( HF). So ,Jesus is :
    Only some kinda Divine image baring person like the Angel of God was in the Old Testament .
    He would deny the Two Powers in Heaven Israelite theology as being an early foundational form from where the Trinity actually comes from.

  • @IamGrimalkin
    @IamGrimalkin 8 месяцев назад

    I'm not sure why Oneness Pentecostals would think Jesus didn't think he was God.
    Don't Oneness Pentacostals affirm that Jesus is God, they just also think Jesus and the Father are identical?
    Anyway, this passage says one of two things:
    either 1) Jesus is not God and also Jesus is not good, ie. Jesus is sinful
    or 2) Jesus is God and Jesus is good.
    Since we have plentiful scriptural evidence that Jesus is indeed good, it makes much more sense to reject 1) and embrace 2).

    • @ihatespam2
      @ihatespam2 8 месяцев назад

      You made a mistake. He told you why, because, in that passage, it seems obvious, a Jesus is SAYING he is not god. Just because there is. A oneness policy, doesn’t mean you have to then turn off your brain and accept it. That would be dumb. They look at what the book say and it says something else. Do you go with a sectarian policy or what the book says?
      The book says God murdered children because he didn’t like their parents, so he drown them. Yet you still think he is loving. So all believers live with strange contradictions. Once you believe, nothing needs to make sense ever again.

  • @MichaelSmith-mr5dh
    @MichaelSmith-mr5dh 8 месяцев назад +1

    God is so cool 😊❤ lol

  • @Maria-b2d2j
    @Maria-b2d2j 2 месяца назад

    It's hard for me to dismiss the Words Jesus spoke where He denied being the Father saying "I am not He". "I was sent by the Father". Any many others. But to believe in the Holy Trinity which is never stated or mentioned in the Bible instead it's man who came up with the Holy Trinity. All u are doing is the same thing the man ur talking about. Interpretation. Nothing Jesus spoke. So what makes ur interpretation right n His wrong. I do not believe God wld want to make it so confusing for us to believe. I don't believe Jesus wld say things denying He is God . And where was God than when He was a fetus in Mary's body. Where was God when Jesus was buried for 3 days? I am open to listening. I'm not saying you are wrong. I am not convinced. If someone CLD answer my above question. I feel u want off topic. We are only talking about if Jesus is God. We no all things are possible. No where in the Bible does it say in order to get to Heaven u must believe that Jesus is God. On the contrary God tells us we must believe that Jesus is the true Son of God.. How can Jesus be sitting at the right hand of the Father in Heaven if Jesus is God. Again I just have a hard time believing Jesus wld say these things CLEARLY. No interpretation by man is needed. I wld love ur feed back. Ty + God Bless you and everyone. I have been Blessed to be touched by the Holy Spirit in 2010 which was so profound. Than in Jan on of this yr 2024 Jesus actually spoke to me which was the same profound experience. Both times all I cld do was cry uncontrollably not because I was sad or fearful. The opposite. I felt nothing but love that I have never experienced before. I believe the most profound love that I experienced before Jesus entered my life was the love I felt for each of my children when I held them in my arms for the 1st time. I was wrong. Nothing compares to the love I felt from Jesus. Since giving my life to Jesus n trying to be as obedient as humanly possible Jesus is always blessing me. Jesus is the only One I truly need. Human love is not unconditional. Jesus Love is.

  • @501Mobius
    @501Mobius 8 месяцев назад +1

    Jesus seems to be saying that it takes good deeds to enter the kingdom of heaven.

    • @jaredgilmore3102
      @jaredgilmore3102 8 месяцев назад

      Certainly it would require righteousness to enter the kingdom of heaven of which good deeds are a part, but as Jesus points out, no one is good except for God alone, therefore no one can enter the kingdom of heaven on the strength of their own Goodness/Righteousness.

    • @ihatespam2
      @ihatespam2 8 месяцев назад

      @@jaredgilmore3102that sounds ridiculous and unnecessary. Who wants to be in a “heaven” worshipping a god who drowns children because he don’t like the parents? A “god” who spreads riddles around like Gollum and then sadistically calls everyone a sinner for the most insignificant little misunderstandings. Tells you to believe an unconvincing story or threatens you with hell, commands you to,love him or suffer. Sounds like an abusive ahole.

    • @davidjanbaz7728
      @davidjanbaz7728 8 месяцев назад

      It's still before Jesus Crucifixion and Atonement so the time period is under the Old Covenant and sin is only covered over by animal sacrifices : total Salvation and forgiveness for the people in the upper chamber of Abraham's Bosom happened after Jesus preached to these Old Testament Saints in Paradise and then HE was Resurrected.

    • @bc4yt
      @bc4yt 8 месяцев назад +1

      ​@@ihatespam2 does your mom know you're using the WiFi again?

    • @bc4yt
      @bc4yt 8 месяцев назад +1

      I think the bigger issue here is not that he didn't sell his stuff and give to the poor, but that he refused to follow Jesus. Christ said if we love anything more than Him, we are not worthy of Him, and the rich man loved his portfolio more than Jesus.
      Contrast to Zacchaeus who have away half of his possessions out of joy, with no prompting whatsoever.

  • @randyguirguis1765
    @randyguirguis1765 8 месяцев назад +2

    May I ask which Oneness Pentecostal you’re talking about? I’m a Oneness Pentecostal and we unequivocally believe Jesus is God. I use this verse all the time to prove it.

    • @KevinDay
      @KevinDay 8 месяцев назад +2

      He must be thinking of Unitarians. I've heard others mix those up because of "Uni" meaning one.

    • @randyguirguis1765
      @randyguirguis1765 8 месяцев назад +2

      @@KevinDay i’ll be charitable and say that’s probably what he meant. We might not believe in the Trinity in the traditional sense but we absolutely affirm that Jesus is the Almighty God. We certainly won’t fellowship or be in communion with anyone who denies that.

  • @jimjuri6490
    @jimjuri6490 8 месяцев назад

    Jesus makes clear that the term GOOD can only apply to God. Neither to himself nor any other of God's creatures.
    God doesn't have to work at being GOOD. He is GOOD. Others have to work at being good.
    Jesus had to, else what sense would Peter's statement make.
    (1 Peter 2:22) He committed no sin, nor was deception found in his mouth.
    Jesus committed no sin means he could have sinned but didn't.
    Looking for lengthy excuses because someone doesn't want to believe that Jesus is not God, just makes it obvious that Jesus was never God.
    (Matthew 16:16) Simon Peter answered: “You are the Christ, the SON OF THE LIVING GOD.”

  • @fushumang1716
    @fushumang1716 8 месяцев назад +3

    Jesus is God, as he was exalted to be the right hand ruler by the Father. It does still not equate to Jesus being the Father. He is one with the Father, meaning he subscribe to His will. But they are not co-equal. Jesus displays the superiority of the Father over him in many passages of the bible. Actually there is no requirement for a Christian to believe in Trinity as the trinitarians would have it. Jesus is God and the "designated" ruler of humans. But the Father is still higher than him in the heirarchy of divinity. I see no conflict here and the need to read in the text more than it says it is. Sometimes apologetics acts like believers of evolution. They first accept evolution is true, then push the narratives to prove it. Since the Catholic Church has ordained trinity as a dogma, it is accepted as truth even though the God of the bible is monotheistic in nature. Jesus is God because the Father exalted him.

  • @hornplayer1228
    @hornplayer1228 8 месяцев назад

    Jesus never proclaimed Himself to be God - always the Son of God. God never announced Jesus as anyone other the His Son with whom He was well pleased. When all His invisible companions were withdrawn by God from the sight of the dying Jesus in order to leave him alone to deal with the taunts of Satan Jesus appealed to: "My God, My God, why hast Thou forsaken me?" If He had been God it would have been: "Oh cripes. how did I get myself into this mess?" It is only ignorant humans who cannot understand God's word who try to elevate Jesus to God status rather than accept Him as God's only begotten Son - the first born of creation.

  • @elmajraz6019
    @elmajraz6019 8 месяцев назад +1

    Mark 10:17-18
    [17] And when our Master Jesus (may his peace be upon us) went out to the road, a man ran to him and knelt at his feet, asking: *“O good teacher,* what is the way to the abode of eternity?!” [18] He answered him, saying: *“Why do you call me good? Absolute goodness belongs to God alone!*
    Yes, Jesus is clearly denying divinity here, which means all those "subtle declarations (which are all ambiguous)" do not prove his divinity.
    Why do you call me good? Goodness belongs to God alone, I am not God.
    He didn't deny being a teacher/rabbi though. Because he was. But goodness and being God, is being denied.

    • @ancientegyptandthebible
      @ancientegyptandthebible  8 месяцев назад +6

      Again that is an assertion and an eisegetical reading of the text. You are simply doubling-down on the same exegetical error that the others have made. But you have not in any way shown that your reading must be the correct reading. Thank you for playing.

    • @jeannet7443
      @jeannet7443 8 месяцев назад +2

      You forget John 8.......

    • @elmajraz6019
      @elmajraz6019 8 месяцев назад

      @@jeannet7443 please, bring the verse.

    • @elmajraz6019
      @elmajraz6019 8 месяцев назад

      @@ancientegyptandthebible the verse is crystal clear. Even if you don't use the version I use, it's crystal clear.

    • @jeannet7443
      @jeannet7443 8 месяцев назад +2

      @@elmajraz6019 Verses, plural, not "verse". Read the conversation in the chapter for yourself. Don't be lazy. I'm not going to spoon feed you.