I saw this this morning and I literally lost my mind. Yes they made more tight window throws. But Lamar and Josh had the exact same completion percentage when doing tight window throws. That's why they left their percentage off that chart. And could it be that Lamar has less tight window throws because he's making better decisions when throwing the ball? That couldn't be the reason, right?
It’s not just better decisions. Lamar buys insane amount of time for his receivers to get open. His receivers aren’t better at getting open than Jamar Chase and Higgins, it’s that no DBs can stay plastered to a WR that long
The biggest reason for Lamar’s receivers being so open is that Lamar can scramble at any time. So they can’t go two high safeties as often against Lamar as against other QBs. Also if they go man coverage the defenders still have to be AWARE after about 3-4 seconds of coverage that they have to locate where Lamar is on the football field because he COULD be scrambling… and that gives his receivers an advantage.
Josh Allen: 3 games against the Rams, Dolphins, Jaguars where he had 3 or more passing TD's. 2 games with no touchdowns at all passing with 1 rushing TD. Faced 6 teams that should be in the playoffs. Best games totals of 10 passing TD's and 3 rushing TD'S. Lamar Jackson: 6 games with 3 or more passing touchdowns, has thrown at least 1 TD in every game this season, 4 games against the Giants, Buccaneers, and Bengals twice where he threw 4 or more TD's and had 0 interceptions. 4 game total of 18 TD's and no INT's. He has faced 10 teams that will be in the playoffs and 12 if Cincinnati gets in. Won the head to head matchup 31-10. I am a Bills fan and I know that this is not even close when you break it down. Josh Allen is a beast and the best chance we have had in 30 plus years to win a Super Bowl but he should not be the MVP unless voters are just defiant in voting for LJ. As for Burrow he has lost twice to Baltimore and Lamar has been great in both games.
I keep thinking mpre and more about it and as great as Allen is and we all know he will win an MVP, this aint the year. If it ends uo going for Burrow or Barkley I can accept that, but Allen just should not even be a realistic candidate. Take the tush pushes out of the stats and its laughable lnao
Allen is literally the definition of Most Valuable player. He's taking your mid team to Superbowl contention. It doesn't get more MVP than that. LJ MVP is a joke. Allen hasn't even played in the 4th quarter of like 4 games. Allen isn't going to play week 18. Like come on. That stuff isn't taken into consideration. LJ has lost to BUM ass teams too
@ChristopherGriggs-kn6fp Allen has the best overall roster, only his WR/TE core is below Burrow and Lamar. Lamar and Burrow should be so obviously abive him lmao burrow has no defense and no reliable run game, and Lamar had a defense as bad as theirs till a month ago and had to deal with tuckers implosion that blew multiple games. Allen is not the MVP, hes a joke to even be in the top 3.
I love Zay and Bate - those are my dudes. But vs. Jamarr Chase and Tee Higgins???? Da Fuc? He basically reversed the argument that Lamar is 'doing more with less' to say Josh and Joe are 'doing more with less.' I think Orlofsky is dead to me. Also, it's actually offensive to Chase, Higgins and Cook to essentially bill them as "less."
Looking at the numbers for Allen, did you realize he has SIX GAMES where he has thrown for 182yards or less? And the kicker is, the Bills have won 4 of those games.
Yea when Dan started talking about WR separation I just shook head in laughter. Its ok though bc when we win the superbowl this year he’s going to have to quit with the shenanigans
Trying to use any stat they can to down play Lamar season LOL. WR SEPERATION is a HUGE part to Lamar buying time so receivers can get open. He thought he cooked 😂
@@AwakenedGodsChannel i'll say it again. the WR separation is 13 feet for LJ, and 11 feet for Allen. does anyone REALLY think an extra 2 feet out of 12 is gonna give LJ that much of an advantage?
@MsDanilea hes the best QB of 2024, has likely won the toughest AFC division, beat Allen head to head and beat Burrow in 2 separate shootouts this year. In games with a passer rating under 114 Lamar is 0-5 (101, 101, 90, 81, 66 are the ratings) and Allen in such games is 5-2 (104, 102, 95, 83, 73, 67, 60, 56 are his ratings). And he has the chance to break the single season passer rating record while running for 852+ yards. With an insane game he could be the first 4k/1k yard QB ever. (Thats very unlikely though, 148 yards rushing isnt probable at all) If you take the tush pushes out of the equation, Allen has nothing statistically, and nothing individually to justify the MVP going to him. These are stats broken down for the 3 QBs. 4807 total yards, 43 total TDs 39 pass/4 rush, 8 TOs, 121 passer rating 4818 total yards, 44 total TDs 42 pass/2 rush (1 tush push/QB sneak), 8 TOs, 109 passer rating 4262 total yards, 40 total TDs 28 pass/12 rush (probably 7 tush pushes lmao), 7 TOs, 101 passer rating And they are all within 1 point of each other in QBR. Without names attached, I know who isnt winning 😂
@@gDiniM here's another one: 4459 total yards 37 total TDs, 10 TOs?, 116 passer rating? NOBODY is talking about Jared Goff. [or darnold, but i'm not gonna get into him] his numbers aren't as great as LJs but he has been balling on a 14-2 team. even if you wanna give the award to LJ on stats, Goff deserves at least as much consideration as Allen. btw, the question marks are because i don't have all the stats from the game tonight. and i would argue that no QB this season has been more consistent than Goff. LJ and Allen have had some real clunkers of games. and i say this as an LJ fan, but frankly, while these things are fun, there are 5 players this year that all deserve to win MVP, and i'm not gonna be upset if any of them do.
@vforwombat9915 Lamars worst game was the steelers game at a 66 passer rating and it wasnt as bad as it looked. He had 3 teammates fumble the ball away, and the interception was a perfect pass that got wrestled out of Hills hands. Thats it. Jared Goff threw 5 INTERCEPTIONS IN ONE GAME and still won.... he has a top 2 OLine, the best RB duo (pre Montgomery injury), an AP WR and TE along with a major deep threat in Jameson Williams. Allen is over Goff easily and I think Allen is 4th at best. Lamar has been the most consistent QB this season easily.
@vforwombat9915 and that reply is not to shit on Goff, but im hearing alot of people use the benefactor vs contributor argument and Goff is absolutely a benefactor. Hes a game manager and hes as efficient as hell but thats not what the MVP is for. Lamar, Allen and Burrow are making plays and running the show, the offense is built around them not the skill positions.
Joe Buroow threw the ball 49 times against the Denver Broncos. He throws the ball at least 35 times a game. Those are Kirk Cousins numbers who in the past would throw for 10,000 yards a season after averaging 45 throws a game. LOL. You throw the ball over 35 times a game you better average more than 250 yards a game.
When tf does that matter ...? Suck Josh Allen D all u want,,, wait until the teams meet again... who is the best player on the field,,,,, Josh or Lamar... No comparison...
Lamar doesn't care about the media going back and forth on who should be the league MVP. Lamar has his sights set on winning a Super Bowl. That's it. That's all. Anything outside of that is just noise. Lamar wants to win. He doesn't care about the stats as long as they go along with a W. And that's a good mindset to have. Lamar didn't even play during the 4th quarter on Christmas because the Ravens had such a big lead. He has had several games like this in his career, missed a lot of games for 2 seasons and barely had playing time as a rookie. Yet, there are several career QB stats Lamar has already broken or tied already at just 27 years of age. Lamar is in MVP talks to get his 3rd when he has only played 4 full seasons in the NFL. That is incredible. But none of that matters to Lamar. He's locked in. Focused on a championship.
just to quibble: LJ started 1/2 of the games his rookie season. so, not barely had playing time. and the next year, he played 15 games, iirc, but as you pointed out, he missed Q4 in enough so that he only had 14 games worth of play time. that was his monster 2019 MVP year, and he put all those numbers up in what amounts to not playing 2 full games.
It’s crazy how this media has now shifted to just pit out the hottest take possible for views, we as the consumer should stop watching this nonsense then maybe they will get fired.
This is ridiculous! Aaron Rodgers did get 4 MVP's in the past. What is it about Lamar Jackson these folks dont want to acknowledge about his greatness!! The man is Phenomenal!! Period!!🙌🏽🙌🏽
He's making everybody eat CROW. Remember no one thought he could be a pocket passer and that he's breaking throwing records their now valuing. (rushing TDS). How ironic 😂. They didn't care so much for it when LJ was using his legs.
Really? Allen was MVP front runner after the Chiefs game everyone agreed, Lamar had the best season but Allen has his team #2 seed throwing to barefoot Mack Hollins he deserves it this year Ravens have lost to Browns and Raiders.
please. as much as i like LJ, Mahomes and Allen are right up there w him in terms of breaking tackles and prolonging plays. they just don't look as amazing as he does when they do. burrow, otoh, doesn't dance, but he can throw under pressure extremely well.
@@vforwombat9915 time to throw, Lamar much better at extending plays. Example, Jackson has the same pocket time as Allen, (2.4 seconds) but is average time to throw is over half a second longer, which is ages in QB time. Which means Lamar is extending to throw much longer. Mahomes is even further down and doesn't extend as much as either.
@@timlanigironu but what are Allen and Mahomes compared to the rest of the QBs? i don't watch all their games, i do check the youtube nfl highlights, and you see lots of plays between the three where they extend for a long time. i do think both Mahomes and Allen will actually run the ball more- at least this season- when forced out of the box, while LJ has a tendency this year to just dance in the backfield waiting so he can throw. and i also think teams that don't use spies on Allen and Mahomes are being foolish. again, not a huge stat person, but this year it seems to me LJ has been breaking tackles a lot more than the others, but idk if that's bias on my part or a real thing.
and why are they open all the time??? Obviously because the defense has to play zone and keep the play in front of them because they don't want to be burned by a scramble. They are open a lot BECAUSE of Lamar Jackson....not to take anything away from Zay Flowers or Rashod Bateman
How does Lamar have more? Someone please explain? You’re telling me zay and bate are better than chase and Higgins? Some one test DO that dude has to be on drugs. Maybe you can make that argument for Josh but all we did was add a rb, you can’t tell me with full honesty that Derrick Henry is the sole reason Lamar has the best qb rating, completion percentage, second in yards and 2 and tds in the league? All cuz of a rb? This is the media saying and doing anything to discredit Lamar to the point where even someone that doesn’t know football could look at the numbers and say that’s false. The whole Allen is doing more with less is silly they have had one of the easiest schedules in the league.
I cant believe that the only way for the talkingheads to stop talking out of their ass is for Lamar to be just PERFECT! 17-0 record, 4000 passing yards, 1000 rushing yards, 45 passing touchdowns and 20 rushing TDs. Even Tony Romo sounds dumb as a rock on his reason why Josh should win the MVP. Voter fatigue, the other guy got 2 already, other guy has less... I didnt know Pity is an award. 🤦🤦🤦🤦🤣
He need to be fired off tv because his take, that's because of Lamar running ability dummy. He is doing a begging for Josh Allen and Joe Burrow, he start to look like he don't belong on TV. Chase the best reciever in the nfl. Since he said Bateman, and Flower better be in the pro bowl.
Dan Why do you continue to bring up the year when josh threw eighteen interceptions as if those stats matter about this year? Week by week his every argument Is the epitome of voter fatigue
I was saying the same thing while watching the Bills game, they said that 11 different players have scored TDs this season. That don't sound like he's playing with no help lol
🤔🤔🤔 I wonder what the common denominator is in Lamar always having receivers with great separation. Must be that known Ravens elite WR scouting 🤷♂️🙄 definitely cant be Lamars legs and the masterclass of scramble drills this team has reached 😂 I mean come on. Theres grasping at straws, and then whatever this argument is.
The thing is Sarah with Derrick Henry with play action fake the linebackers going in the opposite direction of the Titans are going so you always going to have more separation
Sarah.E was dropping facts! I never heard so much foolishness from Dan. If that little raggedy graphic is true, it's because the defender has to keep one eye on the receiver and one eye on Lamar...and that is Lamar's greatness!
Orlovsky -16. Ravens receivers get that separation due to Lamar and Henry in the backfield running RPO with 2 of the most dangerous players in the league on offensive.
The covered argument is funny because they all threw around the same ratio of completion to incompletion vs covered. What it really shows is that Lamar threw about half as many risky throws, which is why he only has 4 picks. All of which were potentially the receivers fault. Lamar's decision making has been damn near flawless this season.
Orlovsky is one of the main reasons that I have stopped watching ESPN and FOX sports which is nothing more than copycat ESPN is the prevalence of washed up overrated former athletes babbling on on giving the most whacked out opinions on sports. Led by Stephen A this is total B.S. Lamar do not sweat the MVP award. Do not accept a co - MVP award. Ravens ball out win this thing and let the talking heads sit and commiserate with each other while we hold up the CHAMPIONSHIP TROPHY!! GO RAVENS!!!!
If your outside WRs are not physical freaks with large catch radiuses, then they can only catch balls with separation and a lot of that is due to play extension by lamar jackson! Burrow has WRs who are physical and Tee higgins is huge! So he is gonna make contested catches and back shoulders!
Don’t forget Derrick Henry having a CAREER BEST in Yards before Contact, due to teams literally weathering Lamar hand off to a First Ballot RB instead of keeping it 🤣 and some people would try to attributeto the ravens o line but they are not ranked well 🤣
Bro really tried to basically say Zay Flowers and Rashod Bateman are better than Chase and Higgins I’m a Ravens fan I loveeee our receivers but please stop 🤣🤣🤣
I was impressed by Lamar's maturity when he decided to punt, but not in his minimal celebration for Marlo. It showed a lack of leadership. Mar, fake it till u make it and get off of the snacks!
It's pretty clear some people have no interest in letting Lamar win again, period. People like Dan have already decided someone else has to win and nothing that takes place on football fields can change that.
Let's see who is more valuable to their team. Allen has had 5 games with a passer rating under 85 and the Bills still won 3 of those games Lamar has had 3 games with a passer rating under 100 and the Ravens lost every one of those games That tells me the Bills can still win without Allen but the Ravens can't without Lamar. Then when you take in account the much easier schedule and division of the Bills and Lamar leading in every stat that matters this should not even be close. Lamar beats Allen in the eye test as well. This whole narrative about Lamar having Derrick is ridiculous. First off Derrick is having a career year at age 30, I wonder why that is? 🤔 Also Lamar has won 2 MVPs without Derrick and the Ravens were better last year without Derrick. ALSO.....what about all the other QBs that won the MVP award with talent around them in previous years. It's not like Josh doesn't have weapons or doesn't have a much better O-line than Lamar. Sounds like the babbling talking heads on tv are just making up ridiculous excuses to try to push an agenda to give the award to Allen out of pitty. I mean yeah it sucks for Josh that he's playing in the same era as Lamar and Mahomes but it is what it is. Just because Josh is having his best year ever doesn't mean you have to ignore the record setting year Lamar is having with currently having the 2nd highest quarterback rating of all time and setting a record for having over 3900 passing yards and over 850 rushing yards. Like wtf are we even doing here.
The Ravens were better without Derrick because they had great defense. Better defense then the Ravens had this year. But why did they not beat the chiefs Because they had no running game. With a running game you could do alot more. Qb could do alot more and turn the ball over less. They got Derrick for a reason. Don't downplay his role for Lamar that ain't right. Josh Allen is going to win MVP for the same reason Lamar won last year. It is not for stats. He wasn't the number 1 in stat line last year. MVP is most valuable player but it also means who team can't do it without them.
Saying the ravens have better receivers than the bengals is insane, and they’re probably comparable to the bills. They’re ignoring the reason our receivers get separation, it’s Lamar. Teams are caught in a catch 22 and have been for years against us, you want to stack the box and keep a spy against Lamar, when you do Zay and Bate WILL get open. We see more stick blitz 0 than any other team and Lamar is able to extend against it while every other qb in the league has to throw screens or quick routes
The Bills have a over all better win lose record. Understand that Josh has played great in a few games. 3 pass TDs 3 rush TDs is amazing. Understand Lamar has played great in most games. With a close to last defense and a great kicker who was going through something I don't understand. The Ravens would have the best record if it wasn't for anomalies, that are being ignored. End of the day, would you rather have a team of 22 Josh Allen's vs 22 Lamar Jackson's?
Of course Jamar Chase and Tee Higgins don’t get separation like that they are monsters and they face a ton of double teams. 😂😂😂 Dan really tried that bogus argument. I’m mad at the person that recorded those stats for him to use. 😂😂
He's breaking or tieing many records like more touchdowns in a game than incompletions. 5 touchdown games. First player in history to rush for 800+ and throw for 4000 passing yards in a season. Breaking M Vick record (6000+) rushing yards in less than 40 plus games than M Vick. It's more but I digress
I don’t care as much about this MVP convo please. Can someone give me a quick scenario where the Ravens have to play the Steelers in the first round, and what would have to happen to avoid the Steelers in the 1st round. I don’t want to face the Steelers in the 1st round.
The SoS is the biggest reason Lamar should get it over Allen. Allen has been great, I won't say otherwise, and I do believe his support is less than Lamar's, but I think that's been grossly overstated. The Bills have have played much weaker competition, with the exception obviously of KC and the Lions. Outside of those two games, their opponents have on average 6 wins. They've handled their business, something the Ravens didn't against Vegas and the Browns. But I just think an easier schedule makes up for a lot of the "value" people claim Allen is giving them. Even games he didn't play well in, they won by a mile. I would love someone to explain how that happens.
@@MsDanilea It's goes directly to the point of value. People keep saying Allen is doing more with less, and that the Bills thought it would be a down year. His SoS is much weaker than anticipated, not his fault, sure, but neither is it Lamar's fault that he has Henry, lol. Last year Lamar and the Ravens beat just about every playoff team. The two years really aren't comparable.
Wow ! And I love my Ravens ! But can anybody out there, try to imagine what would happen if Lamar Jackson had a Jamar Chase 😮 & between both Zay Flowers & Bateman, this is the epitome of big things come in small packages 😮 Seriously though & people aren’t giving Lamar Jackson the credit that he deserves, so Lamar Jackson by his game play, is flat out destroying folks to get it. 💜🖤💜🖤💜🐦⬛✌🏾
This caused issues not looked at, like? Action Jackson or Lamarvelous is MV3=P He's left games and could have padded stats, wink wink at Allen and for most of the year Allen had a better defense! The Ravens Offense has been consistent enough to be about 14 and 2, I mean dang, they lost by a toe to KC.
Burrow and Lamar have a similar story this year - very different results. Strong offense, poor defense (I know since the bye our Defense is now top 5). But Lamar and this offense overcame ALL of the games where our defense allowed 30+ pts (Lamar and Ravens were 3-0 in those games). Joe Burrow and Bengals were 0-4. That’s the difference in 11-5 and 8-8. Joe was great this year, not an MVP though, even if they get lucky, the stars align, and they make it in. I really hope voters Dive Deep and don’t just vote for “who they want” which is what Dan O is clearly doing. He’s perfectly demonstrating confirmation bias. Picking data points that confirm his beliefs and desires, not actually using data to help him make a data driven decision (which the MVP shouldn’t 100% be data based, otherwise why have voters). Just saying, Dan O is losing a lot of credibility over this, and he’s someone I used to highly respect.
This sort of thing reminds me of the NBA when Embed won MVP. Look at what's happening to the NBA. Viewership and popularity have fallen off a cliff because of all the false narrative building. The NFL need to take heed.
Thank Mass Media for that!!! Which is owned by republikkkans who like the old school "plantation Mentality" where the qb is designated and not chosen by skill!!!
The narrative was the Ravens will not make the playoffs or win the division. Then it was Derrick Henry should be the MVP and Lamar will not win it because of him. Now I do not know what the narrative is nor do I care. All I know is that Lamar keeps proving everyone wrong who doubts him. They had Allen as the MVP when he was undefeated until his lost to the Ravens and then it was "Josh Allen needs more help". Lamar won two MVPs without Henry and less talent than Allen and Burrow has had their entire career. No Ravens WR has had a 200 yard game and there is no real number 1 WR on the Ravens, because Lamar spreads the ball so much. Also when you have a QB who can extend the play the WRs will eventually get separation.
Teams has to account for Lamar Jackson and Derrick Henry and because that the WR can get great separation and that is directly contributed to Lamar Jackson 😆
Not the best explanation from Dan but these two just miss the point, have no clue what really MVP should mean but , I see why there are in a basement talking about people on sets .
Easy to have better stats when you get to play more how many 4th quarters has Josh Allen sat out and which bums did Lamar Jackson lose to the raiders she isn't even close give me a break it's Ellen all the way people are stupid if you don't see it
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I saw this this morning and I literally lost my mind. Yes they made more tight window throws. But Lamar and Josh had the exact same completion percentage when doing tight window throws. That's why they left their percentage off that chart.
And could it be that Lamar has less tight window throws because he's making better decisions when throwing the ball? That couldn't be the reason, right?
Well said I thought the same thing
Exactly right!
It’s not just better decisions. Lamar buys insane amount of time for his receivers to get open. His receivers aren’t better at getting open than Jamar Chase and Higgins, it’s that no DBs can stay plastered to a WR that long
The biggest reason for Lamar’s receivers being so open is that Lamar can scramble at any time. So they can’t go two high safeties as often against Lamar as against other QBs.
Also if they go man coverage the defenders still have to be AWARE after about 3-4 seconds of coverage that they have to locate where Lamar is on the football field because he COULD be scrambling… and that gives his receivers an advantage.
@ Thank you,
Josh Allen: 3 games against the Rams, Dolphins, Jaguars where he had 3 or more passing TD's. 2 games with no touchdowns at all passing with 1 rushing TD. Faced 6 teams that should be in the playoffs. Best games totals of 10 passing TD's and 3 rushing TD'S.
Lamar Jackson: 6 games with 3 or more passing touchdowns, has thrown at least 1 TD in every game this season, 4 games against the Giants, Buccaneers, and Bengals twice where he threw 4 or more TD's and had 0 interceptions. 4 game total of 18 TD's and no INT's. He has faced 10 teams that will be in the playoffs and 12 if Cincinnati gets in. Won the head to head matchup 31-10.
I am a Bills fan and I know that this is not even close when you break it down. Josh Allen is a beast and the best chance we have had in 30 plus years to win a Super Bowl but he should not be the MVP unless voters are just defiant in voting for LJ. As for Burrow he has lost twice to Baltimore and Lamar has been great in both games.
I keep thinking mpre and more about it and as great as Allen is and we all know he will win an MVP, this aint the year. If it ends uo going for Burrow or Barkley I can accept that, but Allen just should not even be a realistic candidate. Take the tush pushes out of the stats and its laughable lnao
@@gDiniM Thank you!!
I've always wanted the bills to get a championship since Jim Kelly and Thurman Thomas days but I'm a Ravens fan. Not this year Sir. Lol
Allen is literally the definition of Most Valuable player. He's taking your mid team to Superbowl contention. It doesn't get more MVP than that. LJ MVP is a joke. Allen hasn't even played in the 4th quarter of like 4 games. Allen isn't going to play week 18. Like come on. That stuff isn't taken into consideration. LJ has lost to BUM ass teams too
@ChristopherGriggs-kn6fp Allen has the best overall roster, only his WR/TE core is below Burrow and Lamar. Lamar and Burrow should be so obviously abive him lmao burrow has no defense and no reliable run game, and Lamar had a defense as bad as theirs till a month ago and had to deal with tuckers implosion that blew multiple games. Allen is not the MVP, hes a joke to even be in the top 3.
I love Zay and Bate - those are my dudes. But vs. Jamarr Chase and Tee Higgins???? Da Fuc?
He basically reversed the argument that Lamar is 'doing more with less' to say Josh and Joe are 'doing more with less.' I think Orlofsky is dead to me. Also, it's actually offensive to Chase, Higgins and Cook to essentially bill them as "less."
One of the BEST comments I have ever seen. ( Doing more with less) Let me borrow this, but with all capitals. DA FUC🤔
I agree,, if the bengals make the playoffs Joe should win it...
And I'm a lamar jackson fan
Looking at the numbers for Allen, did you realize he has SIX GAMES where he has thrown for 182yards or less? And the kicker is, the Bills have won 4 of those games.
Yea when Dan started talking about WR separation I just shook head in laughter. Its ok though bc when we win the superbowl this year he’s going to have to quit with the shenanigans
Trying to use any stat they can to down play Lamar season LOL. WR SEPERATION is a HUGE part to Lamar buying time so receivers can get open. He thought he cooked 😂
@@AwakenedGodsChannel i'll say it again. the WR separation is 13 feet for LJ, and 11 feet for Allen.
does anyone REALLY think an extra 2 feet out of 12 is gonna give LJ that much of an advantage?
lmao
The narrative being set is so obvious... The very definition of moving the flag pole to try to justify why Lamar should not win the MVP.
Be honest why do you think Lamar should win this year?
@MsDanilea hes the best QB of 2024, has likely won the toughest AFC division, beat Allen head to head and beat Burrow in 2 separate shootouts this year. In games with a passer rating under 114 Lamar is 0-5 (101, 101, 90, 81, 66 are the ratings) and Allen in such games is 5-2 (104, 102, 95, 83, 73, 67, 60, 56 are his ratings). And he has the chance to break the single season passer rating record while running for 852+ yards. With an insane game he could be the first 4k/1k yard QB ever. (Thats very unlikely though, 148 yards rushing isnt probable at all)
If you take the tush pushes out of the equation, Allen has nothing statistically, and nothing individually to justify the MVP going to him.
These are stats broken down for the 3 QBs.
4807 total yards, 43 total TDs 39 pass/4 rush, 8 TOs, 121 passer rating
4818 total yards, 44 total TDs 42 pass/2 rush (1 tush push/QB sneak), 8 TOs, 109 passer rating
4262 total yards, 40 total TDs 28 pass/12 rush (probably 7 tush pushes lmao), 7 TOs, 101 passer rating
And they are all within 1 point of each other in QBR.
Without names attached, I know who isnt winning 😂
@@gDiniM here's another one:
4459 total yards 37 total TDs, 10 TOs?, 116 passer rating?
NOBODY is talking about Jared Goff.
[or darnold, but i'm not gonna get into him]
his numbers aren't as great as LJs but he has been balling on a 14-2 team.
even if you wanna give the award to LJ on stats, Goff deserves at least as much consideration as Allen.
btw, the question marks are because i don't have all the stats from the game tonight.
and i would argue that no QB this season has been more consistent than Goff.
LJ and Allen have had some real clunkers of games.
and i say this as an LJ fan, but frankly, while these things are fun, there are 5 players this year that all deserve to win MVP, and i'm not gonna be upset if any of them do.
@vforwombat9915 Lamars worst game was the steelers game at a 66 passer rating and it wasnt as bad as it looked. He had 3 teammates fumble the ball away, and the interception was a perfect pass that got wrestled out of Hills hands. Thats it.
Jared Goff threw 5 INTERCEPTIONS IN ONE GAME and still won.... he has a top 2 OLine, the best RB duo (pre Montgomery injury), an AP WR and TE along with a major deep threat in Jameson Williams. Allen is over Goff easily and I think Allen is 4th at best.
Lamar has been the most consistent QB this season easily.
@vforwombat9915 and that reply is not to shit on Goff, but im hearing alot of people use the benefactor vs contributor argument and Goff is absolutely a benefactor. Hes a game manager and hes as efficient as hell but thats not what the MVP is for. Lamar, Allen and Burrow are making plays and running the show, the offense is built around them not the skill positions.
Excellent analysis Sarah, especially with the schedule
They don’t talk about Joe Burrow having 160+ more pass attempts than Lamar though 😂😂😂😂
Good point. These type of stats should be among others that provides MVP honors.
Joe Buroow threw the ball 49 times against the Denver Broncos. He throws the ball at least 35 times a game. Those are Kirk Cousins numbers who in the past would throw for 10,000 yards a season after averaging 45 throws a game. LOL. You throw the ball over 35 times a game you better average more than 250 yards a game.
Joe Burrow has thrown the football 🏈 164 more times than Lamar. Just let that sink in.🤷🏻♀️
When tf does that matter ...?
Suck Josh Allen D all u want,,, wait until the teams meet again... who is the best player on the field,,,,, Josh or Lamar...
No comparison...
Against Denver the last game he threw the ball 49 times.
Lamar doesn't care about the media going back and forth on who should be the league MVP. Lamar has his sights set on winning a Super Bowl. That's it. That's all. Anything outside of that is just noise.
Lamar wants to win. He doesn't care about the stats as long as they go along with a W. And that's a good mindset to have. Lamar didn't even play during the 4th quarter on Christmas because the Ravens had such a big lead. He has had several games like this in his career, missed a lot of games for 2 seasons and barely had playing time as a rookie. Yet, there are several career QB stats Lamar has already broken or tied already at just 27 years of age.
Lamar is in MVP talks to get his 3rd when he has only played 4 full seasons in the NFL. That is incredible. But none of that matters to Lamar. He's locked in. Focused on a championship.
just to quibble: LJ started 1/2 of the games his rookie season.
so, not barely had playing time.
and the next year, he played 15 games, iirc, but as you pointed out, he missed Q4 in enough so that he only had 14 games worth of play time.
that was his monster 2019 MVP year, and he put all those numbers up in what amounts to not playing 2 full games.
Crazy thing is I saw a person say Lamar pads his stats.
What’s crazy is they asked about Joe Burrow being in the convo and Dan went full on I’m voting for Josh and this is how we should downplay Lamar
Also always saying that well Josh deserves it because he does more with less… bruh Joe has 2 legitimate number 1 receivers in chase and Higgins
LMAO, Sarah Ellison was *"ON Her GAME!"*
I like Dan also, however, Dan needs to be drug tested immediately!
🤣🤣🤣💯
lol @ your statement 😂 🫵🏾
He’s trying so hard to justify it cuz he knows he’s wrong/biased
He's voting for Allen but he wants everyone to believe he's sorry.😂😂😂
It’s crazy how this media has now shifted to just pit out the hottest take possible for views, we as the consumer should stop watching this nonsense then maybe they will get fired.
The crazy thing Dan has been a Lamar supporter for years lol
In the same way in the rich rob the poor!!!!
All of these sports analysts are so fickle! He was on Lamar jock so hard last year and now he has completely switched sides
This is ridiculous! Aaron Rodgers did get 4 MVP's in the past. What is it about Lamar Jackson these folks dont want to acknowledge about his greatness!! The man is Phenomenal!! Period!!🙌🏽🙌🏽
He's making everybody eat CROW. Remember no one thought he could be a pocket passer and that he's breaking throwing records their now valuing. (rushing TDS). How ironic 😂. They didn't care so much for it when LJ was using his legs.
Josh got 50/50 recievers. Lamar got more yardage passing and throw the ball less the Josh and Joe.
Ravens are Top 5 in drop pass
Lamar wideouts get more separation because Lamar has the skill to extend the play 8 seconds.
This just goes to show every talking head on TV is given some form of agenda that they need to push. This year it was get Allen an MVP
Really? Allen was MVP front runner after the Chiefs game everyone agreed, Lamar had the best season but Allen has his team #2 seed throwing to barefoot Mack Hollins he deserves it this year Ravens have lost to Browns and Raiders.
@@BirdsGang87and they beat the Bills so now what? 😂😂
@@hebrewharv8018 so? Don’t be so simple minded kid 😂😂
Dan O, Jamar recently said in interviews he’s always open. I wonder how these WRs feel about this comment of yours.
Allen has one of the best O lines
Allen played against 5 playoff teams out of 17 games
Mina Kimes broke down tight window throws and Lamar is the best at it by FAR like twice as good as burrow and Allen
If Josh were nimble enough and if Joe had much movement at all, they could dance until their receivers were open as well 🤷🏾♂️
please.
as much as i like LJ, Mahomes and Allen are right up there w him in terms of breaking tackles and prolonging plays.
they just don't look as amazing as he does when they do.
burrow, otoh, doesn't dance, but he can throw under pressure extremely well.
@@vforwombat9915 that statistically is just wrong
@@timlanigironu which statistic?
@@vforwombat9915 time to throw, Lamar much better at extending plays. Example, Jackson has the same pocket time as Allen, (2.4 seconds) but is average time to throw is over half a second longer, which is ages in QB time. Which means Lamar is extending to throw much longer. Mahomes is even further down and doesn't extend as much as either.
@@timlanigironu but what are Allen and Mahomes compared to the rest of the QBs?
i don't watch all their games, i do check the youtube nfl highlights, and you see lots of plays between the three where they extend for a long time.
i do think both Mahomes and Allen will actually run the ball more- at least this season- when forced out of the box, while LJ has a tendency this year to just dance in the backfield waiting so he can throw.
and i also think teams that don't use spies on Allen and Mahomes are being foolish.
again, not a huge stat person, but this year it seems to me LJ has been breaking tackles a lot more than the others, but idk if that's bias on my part or a real thing.
dan might have apologized publically, but i believe he hasnt changed his mind. i would assume it is for optics.
and why are they open all the time??? Obviously because the defense has to play zone and keep the play in front of them because they don't want to be burned by a scramble. They are open a lot BECAUSE of Lamar Jackson....not to take anything away from Zay Flowers or Rashod Bateman
How does Lamar have more? Someone please explain? You’re telling me zay and bate are better than chase and Higgins? Some one test DO that dude has to be on drugs. Maybe you can make that argument for Josh but all we did was add a rb, you can’t tell me with full honesty that Derrick Henry is the sole reason Lamar has the best qb rating, completion percentage, second in yards and 2 and tds in the league? All cuz of a rb? This is the media saying and doing anything to discredit Lamar to the point where even someone that doesn’t know football could look at the numbers and say that’s false. The whole Allen is doing more with less is silly they have had one of the easiest schedules in the league.
I cant believe that the only way for the talkingheads to stop talking out of their ass is for Lamar to be just PERFECT! 17-0 record, 4000 passing yards, 1000 rushing yards, 45 passing touchdowns and 20 rushing TDs. Even Tony Romo sounds dumb as a rock on his reason why Josh should win the MVP. Voter fatigue, the other guy got 2 already, other guy has less... I didnt know Pity is an award. 🤦🤦🤦🤦🤣
All the losers say Allen, all the winner say Jackson
He need to be fired off tv because his take, that's because of Lamar running ability dummy. He is doing a begging for Josh Allen and Joe Burrow, he start to look like he don't belong on TV. Chase the best reciever in the nfl. Since he said Bateman, and Flower better be in the pro bowl.
Dan Why do you continue to bring up the year when josh threw eighteen interceptions as if those stats matter about this year? Week by week his every argument Is the epitome of voter fatigue
Dan has been compromised. Dan is just creating reasons at this point. He definitely should not be allowed to vote next year.
I was saying the same thing while watching the Bills game, they said that 11 different players have scored TDs this season. That don't sound like he's playing with no help lol
Sarah, please send your strength of schedule chart to Dan O. and the rest of the “analysis” who’s still confessing that anyone but Lamar is the MVP.
Orlovsky is a paid representative of Josh Allen!!!
🤔🤔🤔 I wonder what the common denominator is in Lamar always having receivers with great separation. Must be that known Ravens elite WR scouting 🤷♂️🙄 definitely cant be Lamars legs and the masterclass of scramble drills this team has reached 😂 I mean come on. Theres grasping at straws, and then whatever this argument is.
Dan done lost his dam mind
The thing is Sarah with Derrick Henry with play action fake the linebackers going in the opposite direction of the Titans are going so you always going to have more separation
Sarah.E was dropping facts! I never heard so much foolishness from Dan. If that little raggedy graphic is true, it's because the defender has to keep one eye on the receiver and one eye on Lamar...and that is Lamar's greatness!
Orlovsky -16. Ravens receivers get that separation due to Lamar and Henry in the backfield running RPO with 2 of the most dangerous players in the league on offensive.
The covered argument is funny because they all threw around the same ratio of completion to incompletion vs covered. What it really shows is that Lamar threw about half as many risky throws, which is why he only has 4 picks. All of which were potentially the receivers fault. Lamar's decision making has been damn near flawless this season.
Orlovsky is one of the main reasons that I have stopped watching ESPN and FOX sports which is nothing more than copycat ESPN is the prevalence of washed up overrated former athletes babbling on on giving the most whacked out opinions on sports. Led by Stephen A this is total B.S. Lamar do not sweat the MVP award. Do not accept a co - MVP award. Ravens ball out win this thing and let the talking heads sit and commiserate with each other while we hold up the CHAMPIONSHIP TROPHY!! GO RAVENS!!!!
If your outside WRs are not physical freaks with large catch radiuses, then they can only catch balls with separation and a lot of that is due to play extension by lamar jackson! Burrow has WRs who are physical and Tee higgins is huge! So he is gonna make contested catches and back shoulders!
Don’t forget Derrick Henry having a CAREER BEST in Yards before Contact, due to teams literally weathering Lamar hand off to a First Ballot RB instead of keeping it 🤣 and some people would try to attributeto the ravens o line but they are not ranked well 🤣
Lamar throws up his receivers. Orlovsky wouldn’t know anything about that.
James Cook is having a good year. but he'd be having 1500 yard season if he was on our team. because of Lamar
Bro really tried to basically say Zay Flowers and Rashod Bateman are better than Chase and Higgins I’m a Ravens fan I loveeee our receivers but please stop 🤣🤣🤣
I was impressed by Lamar's maturity when he decided to punt, but not in his minimal celebration for Marlo. It showed a lack of leadership. Mar, fake it till u make it and get off of the snacks!
But Dan is still voting for Josh Allen.
😂😂😂 tee Higgins and chase don't get open as much as zay and bate?!?!? Foh
It's pretty clear some people have no interest in letting Lamar win again, period. People like Dan have already decided someone else has to win and nothing that takes place on football fields can change that.
Dan is slowly losing his mind behind this MVP vote.
Let's see who is more valuable to their team.
Allen has had 5 games with a passer rating under 85 and the Bills still won 3 of those games
Lamar has had 3 games with a passer rating under 100 and the Ravens lost every one of those games
That tells me the Bills can still win without Allen but the Ravens can't without Lamar. Then when you take in account the much easier schedule and division of the Bills and Lamar leading in every stat that matters this should not even be close. Lamar beats Allen in the eye test as well.
This whole narrative about Lamar having Derrick is ridiculous. First off Derrick is having a career year at age 30, I wonder why that is? 🤔 Also Lamar has won 2 MVPs without Derrick and the Ravens were better last year without Derrick. ALSO.....what about all the other QBs that won the MVP award with talent around them in previous years. It's not like Josh doesn't have weapons or doesn't have a much better O-line than Lamar.
Sounds like the babbling talking heads on tv are just making up ridiculous excuses to try to push an agenda to give the award to Allen out of pitty. I mean yeah it sucks for Josh that he's playing in the same era as Lamar and Mahomes but it is what it is. Just because Josh is having his best year ever doesn't mean you have to ignore the record setting year Lamar is having with currently having the 2nd highest quarterback rating of all time and setting a record for having over 3900 passing yards and over 850 rushing yards. Like wtf are we even doing here.
The Ravens were better without Derrick because they had great defense. Better defense then the Ravens had this year. But why did they not beat the chiefs Because they had no running game. With a running game you could do alot more. Qb could do alot more and turn the ball over less. They got Derrick for a reason. Don't downplay his role for Lamar that ain't right. Josh Allen is going to win MVP for the same reason Lamar won last year. It is not for stats. He wasn't the number 1 in stat line last year. MVP is most valuable player but it also means who team can't do it without them.
Yo the energy is shifting so immensely it’s insane lol
He meant it's over only for lamar.
MVP is most valuable player. Let it sink in that it literally has nothing to do with stats. If it were than we may have had a different mvp in 2023.
The fix is in!
Dunce cap award goes to Dan Orlovsky and it's really hard to take that away from Nick Wright
Is it now safe and time to say that Dan orlawski is officially an n.F l plant
This guy Dan argument is so STUPID….these people just digging and fighting in every way to give the mvp to Allen…smh
Saying the ravens have better receivers than the bengals is insane, and they’re probably comparable to the bills. They’re ignoring the reason our receivers get separation, it’s Lamar. Teams are caught in a catch 22 and have been for years against us, you want to stack the box and keep a spy against Lamar, when you do Zay and Bate WILL get open. We see more stick blitz 0 than any other team and Lamar is able to extend against it while every other qb in the league has to throw screens or quick routes
The Bills have a over all better win lose record. Understand that Josh has played great in a few games. 3 pass TDs 3 rush TDs is amazing. Understand Lamar has played great in most games. With a close to last defense and a great kicker who was going through something I don't understand. The Ravens would have the best record if it wasn't for anomalies, that are being ignored. End of the day, would you rather have a team of 22 Josh Allen's vs 22 Lamar Jackson's?
The reason the broncos lost, bad clock management. They could have ran the clock down between kicking the pat.
I've never seen a analysts.Make the argument that fits the other side as if it makes their argument
You guys need to highlight all the records LJs breaking. Please.
Of course Jamar Chase and Tee Higgins don’t get separation like that they are monsters and they face a ton of double teams. 😂😂😂 Dan really tried that bogus argument. I’m mad at the person that recorded those stats for him to use. 😂😂
He's breaking or tieing many records like more touchdowns in a game than incompletions. 5 touchdown games. First player in history to rush for 800+ and throw for 4000 passing yards in a season. Breaking M Vick record (6000+) rushing yards in less than 40 plus games than M Vick. It's more but I digress
Yep plus he set the record for perfect passer rating games this year and he nearly had 2 more perfect passer rating games
If I was Josh, I would be a little sad if I win it just because Lamar already has 2 and the League wants to "diversify".
He spun the narrative around the universe and back. You cant make this sh*t up 🤣🤡
At this point my brain hurts smh
Brett favre thank you
I don’t care as much about this MVP convo please. Can someone give me a quick scenario where the Ravens have to play the Steelers in the first round, and what would have to happen to avoid the Steelers in the 1st round. I don’t want to face the Steelers in the 1st round.
The SoS is the biggest reason Lamar should get it over Allen. Allen has been great, I won't say otherwise, and I do believe his support is less than Lamar's, but I think that's been grossly overstated. The Bills have have played much weaker competition, with the exception obviously of KC and the Lions. Outside of those two games, their opponents have on average 6 wins. They've handled their business, something the Ravens didn't against Vegas and the Browns. But I just think an easier schedule makes up for a lot of the "value" people claim Allen is giving them. Even games he didn't play well in, they won by a mile. I would love someone to explain how that happens.
It really isn't Allen's fault his division sucked this year. MVP isn't a numbers game because if it was he wouldn't have won it last year.
@@MsDanilea It's goes directly to the point of value. People keep saying Allen is doing more with less, and that the Bills thought it would be a down year. His SoS is much weaker than anticipated, not his fault, sure, but neither is it Lamar's fault that he has Henry, lol. Last year Lamar and the Ravens beat just about every playoff team. The two years really aren't comparable.
Wow ! And I love my Ravens ! But can anybody out there, try to imagine what would happen if Lamar Jackson had a Jamar Chase 😮 & between both Zay Flowers & Bateman, this is the epitome of big things come in small packages 😮 Seriously though & people aren’t giving Lamar Jackson the credit that he deserves, so Lamar Jackson by his game play, is flat out destroying folks to get it. 💜🖤💜🖤💜🐦⬛✌🏾
First time I've been impressed with a lady talking sports (football specifically)
Dang the chargers SOS is .511 and then their SOV is .378. They’re probably gonna get worked in playoffs
I bet he voted allen last year just so lamar didn't get an unanimous he or the one said last year 49ers will kick the shit out of ravens!
Bills Played 4 Teams that are certified playoff teams.... they are 2-2
They forgetting Lamar beat Burrow twice this year
The Coverage the Bengals face NO ONE HAS TO FACE they know the Bengals are throwing so they double and triple our receivers it’s obvious
Ain’t no double teaming them I
There is no double teaming them bruh thats how Higgins went off. Anytime PS2 wasn't on him, he was 1 on 1 with #21 who got smoked
Ravens played 9 at 6-3
It’s shocking dans takes when he would defend Lamar almost every season
When you hear them stuttering ,...you know their lying😂😂😂 they're starting to sound REAL DUMB making those excuses
This caused issues not looked at, like? Action Jackson or Lamarvelous is MV3=P He's left games and could have padded stats, wink wink at Allen and for most of the year Allen had a better defense! The Ravens Offense has been consistent enough to be about 14 and 2, I mean dang, they lost by a toe to KC.
If you look at Greeny body language and Rex facial expressions. They both knew Dan was full of shit.
Is every same person in the world can see that Ravens wide receivers are open Partially because lamar extended Plays
Burrow and Lamar have a similar story this year - very different results. Strong offense, poor defense (I know since the bye our Defense is now top 5). But Lamar and this offense overcame ALL of the games where our defense allowed 30+ pts (Lamar and Ravens were 3-0 in those games). Joe Burrow and Bengals were 0-4. That’s the difference in 11-5 and 8-8. Joe was great this year, not an MVP though, even if they get lucky, the stars align, and they make it in. I really hope voters Dive Deep and don’t just vote for “who they want” which is what Dan O is clearly doing. He’s perfectly demonstrating confirmation bias. Picking data points that confirm his beliefs and desires, not actually using data to help him make a data driven decision (which the MVP shouldn’t 100% be data based, otherwise why have voters). Just saying, Dan O is losing a lot of credibility over this, and he’s someone I used to highly respect.
Sarah shoulda been a got damn attorney
This sort of thing reminds me of the NBA when Embed won MVP. Look at what's happening to the NBA. Viewership and popularity have fallen off a cliff because of all the false narrative building. The NFL need to take heed.
Thank Mass Media for that!!! Which is owned by republikkkans who like the old school "plantation Mentality" where the qb is designated and not chosen by skill!!!
The narrative was the Ravens will not make the playoffs or win the division. Then it was Derrick Henry should be the MVP and Lamar will not win it because of him. Now I do not know what the narrative is nor do I care. All I know is that Lamar keeps proving everyone wrong who doubts him. They had Allen as the MVP when he was undefeated until his lost to the Ravens and then it was "Josh Allen needs more help". Lamar won two MVPs without Henry and less talent than Allen and Burrow has had their entire career. No Ravens WR has had a 200 yard game and there is no real number 1 WR on the Ravens, because Lamar spreads the ball so much. Also when you have a QB who can extend the play the WRs will eventually get separation.
Orlovsky is one of my favorite analysts but he was buggin on this take, she tore his ass out the frame lol cmon D.O.!
Lamar don't care he just go get the SB MVP!!!!!! LOL😂😂😂
Teams has to account for Lamar Jackson and Derrick Henry and because that the WR can get great separation and that is directly contributed to Lamar Jackson 😆
The arguments against Lamar Jackson, receiving his third unanimous M.V.It's funny excusable as this divorce rate in america there's blame all around
All the voters are reaching. Our guy is not gonna get it. H8 to say it.
Lamar is making everyone around him better, is a better argument..
Dan should not have a vote. If Sequan beats a 40 year record he should win the mvp, despite what the lame, uniformed talking heads say
We see weapon after weapon leave Baltimore and Become irrelevant. Not all but a good number
It's ok, Dan. Lamars going to win Superbowl MVP.
Not the best explanation from Dan but these two just miss the point, have no clue what really MVP should mean but , I see why there are in a basement talking about people on sets .
That guy continues to do his best to downplay lamar…
Easy to have better stats when you get to play more how many 4th quarters has Josh Allen sat out and which bums did Lamar Jackson lose to the raiders she isn't even close give me a break it's Ellen all the way people are stupid if you don't see it