Glad to see the review of the Dean Boca- I’ve always wanted to play an electric 12 string and it good to hear that a value model is still a good quality instrument.
I am blown away with the beauty of the sound produced by the Rick. So iconic. What would the Byrds and Hollies have sounded like without a Rick 12 string?.
As of November, 2019, Musician's Friend is listing the Dean Boca for $469.00 (case sold separately). I was surprised by its quality in this video. I may have to check these out in the future. Thank you for making this video!
Thanks, bro ! A great video that displays your passion and honesty about 12 string guitars. I wish you well ! Hope to buy a Rick 12 sometime soon; always wanted to own one.
Thank you for this review. Found a used Dean Boca 12 string for 260.00 It's quite clean and I always wanted to have a 12 string since I had an acoustic 12 as a kid. The Dean isn't a Ric of course but it will do for me and your review sure helped. (High five)
Old video but two points to consider ... 1/ The Dean Boca is strung in the conventional 12 string manner. The Rickenbacker is strung differently with the octave pairs of the 1st to 4th strings reversed. This does have an impact on the tone produced by the Rickenbackers. Of course it is possible to to modify the Dean or any other conventional 12 string guitar to be strung like a Rickenbacker ... 2/ The Byrds sound is not solely a function of Jim McGuinn's Rickenbackers. David Crosby's Gretsch Tennesean and Country Gentleman provided the perfect rhythm accompaniment to McGuinn's 12 string.
Good review and nice to hear from someone who owns them and plays them. Thanks for taking the time to make the video. NIce Mamma's and The Pappa's mixed in there too a couple times man! Good work. I was going to ask you if you can ever bend any of the strings, or when there are the paired (chorus) strings, does that make bending out of the question?
+Trent Mason , thanks for the comments. Yes bending is not too common on these guitars. I suppose it can be done by someone determined and with strong fingers. The sound would definitely be different. I think Pete Townsend of the Who used a 12 string Rick. Maybe he pulled it off some time!
Great demo! I played a mid-60s 330/12 a long time ago in the studio (it was lent to me for a session by a collector in Germany) and couldn't make friends with the narrow fingerboard, although I don't have very big hands. A couple of years later I got myself a Charvel Surfcaster 12 which has 2 Danelectro-style Lipstick pickups and a push-push phase switch. It also has the innovative Gotoh 12-saddle adjustable bridge - allowing for spot-on intonation for each string. Soundwise it is as close as it can get to a Rickenbacker for a fraction of the $$$...unfortunately, they (Fender) have stopped making them, for whatever reason. Glad I kept mine.
The blend control is different than the volumes. The volume post send signal to ground. The blend pot only uses two lugs adding resistance in line with the neck pickup this way you can soften the sound of the neck
I too love the sound of a twelve string. I played Ric 12 strings in the 60s during the heyday of the Byrds, Beatles, etc, but went away from that sound for a while. Again in the 90s, I revisited the 12 sound and got a newer Ric 360. Sadly, someone wanted it more than I did and I sold it. Got the 12 string bug again and got a Danelectro 12 string and a Korean "knockoff" Ric 330 from Canada in the early 2000s. Still have them, but am back to a Ric 330/12. Even with a janglebox, I could not get that exact Ric sound. John Hall has it right with the Rickenbacker. Will probable get rid of the other 12 strings and just keep the Ric. You did an excellent job discussing the pros and cons and pointing-out the important differences in the Ric sound. It is more than just compression. For some reason, the Rics just do the job that our ears are conditioned to hear when we think of 12 string electric guitar.
There is a great article on anatomyofguitartone.com about re-wiring your RIck 12 back to the original early 60s circuitry. It is more than compression - it is toaster pickups and having the correct (original) pots and caps.
20 years ago, I owned a Rickenbacker 360/12v64 (George Harrison model) which is similar to your 330/12. Loved the sound. Hated the narrow neck, to the point where I gave it away to a friend who could actually play it with his narrow fingers. There is a solution to the narrow neck problem. The Rickenbacker 1993 Plus model. The neck is 1/8th inch wider and Rickenbacker finally listened and created it to Pete Townsend's specifications. Thanks for the video and the comparison. Great demo and very informative. Happy Holidays! Cheers.
I altered the string spacing of my 360-12 Rick by reducing the space between the string pairs a tad and moved the outer pairs a tad to the rimof the neck: better playing
Did you do the work yourself? A local luthier did not think it would be possible without getting the strings too close to the edge, and also that the bridge would have to be modified.
Yes after I read in a Rick forum about that. As the bridge is farther away I didn´t modify that. It took me 2 uncut nuts to get what I intended and the third one will be the best...some day ;-) It works!
Good review but no question the RIC is far superior. I had the Dean Boca and it was way neck heavy, almost impossible to play standing up and fatigued your wrist. The RIC sounds balanced and defined while the Boca is a bit dark and muddy. Still the Boca isn't bad for the price but again there really isn't any comparison...
These days you can go pick up the Byrds-approved JangleBox pedal, which will turn your Rickenbacker automatically into a compressed, Byrds type sound machine. It will probably help with a non-Rickenbacker electric 12-string, but I'm not sure how much so. It's really designed for Rickenbacker owners, I believe. I think the pedal retails for around $200 or so.
@@ludwiguy51 I see, but any word on why he returned it? I'm not certain if it will impart the Byrds effect on other 12-strings. I don't own a Ricky, I just have a lowly lefty acoustic=electric 12-string I got about two years ago to replace another low-end one I got eight years ago that I had to throw out, because the bridge warped out eventually. I'm having better luck by far with my new one. I'd love a Rickenbacker 360/12 but I cannot swing the $4000 for one, alas. Nor can I justify the expense. I'm a lefty guitarist which is also a major issue. However, I now own two Vox amps (the VX50 being the best I own), so I can squeeze some jangle out of that! I was told by a local guitar shop dealer that Rickenbacker as a company is the WORST and most pretentious, obnoxious and weird company to deal with. I wish someone could manufacture some 12-strings that at least get close to the sound of a Rickenbacker, without infringing on copyright or TM or whatever. But tough luck, I guess. Is the main Ricky 12 string sound mainly coming out of the pickups, per se, or is it the overall design as well?
@@thiscorrosion900 I am not sure why he returned the Jangle Box. Maybe he thought he could get the Rick sound or a better sound out of one of his guitars. The mystique of the Rick sound I think is a combination of things. The single coil pickups, the long scale and the semi- hollow body come together nicely, but it is subjective. There is a certain solid feel that appeals to me as well. OTOH there are some annoying factors about the company too. The first used one I held played wonderfully but I missed the opportunity. The second used one I ordered online from GC had a thick clubby neck. The latest models were the same. I had to call the dealers and have them measure for me until I found this 2008 model that felt more comfortable to me. There is no other way to know when the shape changed that I could tell.
You just can’t get the authentic McGuinn/Byrds sound by randomly flat-picking as you can clearly hear here. Plectrum plus metal fingerpicks are required, a smooth rolling banjo-style technique, plus very definite and precise picking patterns at all times. It’s deceptive when you hear the records until you try to seriously duplicate the 12-string parts. It takes lots of time and lots of effort, but it’s worth it, IMO. Going outside your comfort zone is good for your playing and your musical soul.
McGuinn certainly demonstrated banjo-style technique, which set his playing apart from others on the 12 string. The Beatles, the Who, The Heartbreakers, Led Zeppelin and many others made great music on the 12 string as well but different from McGuinn. I would point out, however that McGuinn did strum the Rick 12 at times. Agreed that if you want to nail the classic Byrds sound his fingerpicking methods must be mastered.
@@ludwiguy51 Don't forget that on Byrds recordings, there are 3 guitars playing separate lead lines overlaid on each other. RM had to develop a special version of his own music to allow for solo playing. Trying to learn to do banjo rolls is a flat-out SOB, particular for an older player. Fortunately for RM he started out as a banjo player.....when his fingers were youthful and (more) nimble.
@@skipkirkwood9935 I love smooth rolling finger picking on both the banjo and 12 string. But I am having plenty of fun doing what I do on several instruments. That's what great about having a hobby. It's for a challenge but also for fun!
Just to add another view to the mix, I bought a Boca myself a while back and didn't like it at all. The cherry sunburst finish was pretty but that's where the joy ended for me. First, its weight balance was a real problem -- neck dive worse than I had ever experienced in a guitar. Then, the nut width was a giant 1-7/8 inches, making the guitar somewhat difficult to find notes on. The pickups were overly hot and somewhat dark-sounding. And the icing on the cake was that the bridge pickup assembly was mounted at least 1/8-inch too far to the right, making the magnet poles sit way aside of the strings. I wish I still owned my old Rickenbacker 450-12 but am pretty happy with the Reverend Airwave 12 that I bought last year.
@@ludwiguy51 I'm glad you had better success with your Boca. That being the case, I do agree with your view that the Dean is a way for a guitarist to get into the wonderful world of 12-string. Granted, one cannot expect awesomeness for the low price these sell for; the Boca is built down to a cost point but I feel they cut too many corners in doing so. In the end, I would say that all the issues which I experienced could have been initially addressed by Dean... then they COULD have produced a really nice instrument with a bit more care in the design and quality control at a bit more cost. Cheers.
Obviously, I would have not sought out a Rickenbacker if I was totally satisfied with the Dean. I saw a used one and how much easier it was to play. That was all it took.
You have got a beautiful guitar. I like Rickenbacker style, but its way too expensive for me. Maybe some day Ill have one too. For now I have many guitars with origins in my country. Greetings !
Hi Dan... I have a few guitars, but the ones I primarily play are a Gibson ES-335 and a Les Paul. And yes, I did indeed get the Rickenbacker 360-6 string and I do love it. It has a bright sound that's very unique compared to my other guitars, so it really works well in my collection. I play it on many 1960's tunes (and some more modern ones as well, like some Tom Petty, etc.) and I love the sound. I had a lot of concerns going in as I bought it online from Sweetwater (again, going against my pledge to never buy a guitar I didn't play first, but I bought my Gibsons from them and they're awesome). I read things about the Rickenbacker having a narrow neck, not being good for people (like me) with bigger fingers, etc., being difficult to play, & so on, and I was really concerned that I might not like the guitar once I got it. All I can say is I LOVE this guitar and have a hard time putting it down! The first song I played on it was "She's a Woman" by the Beatles and I instantly fell in love! As I said, it has a unique sound, beautiful, light action and I find it VERY easy to play. It's a really cool guitar and I'm genuinely proud to own it. Check out some videos here on RUclips and you'll get a pretty good idea about the sound. Also, look on Rickenbacker's website as they list retailers (maybe near you) that might have one in stock that you could check out. It might not be for everyone, but I love mine. Good luck, man.
@@KingBobCat Thanks for telling about your six string Rick. Funny, when I saw John Lennon with his and Paul with the Hofner, I thought both guitars were made in Europe for years. I rarely see one in stores where I live. We have both Samash and Guitar Center.
Hi again, Dan... Yeah, I thought Rickenbackers were German and had no idea they were made in California, until fairly recently. :) You probably won't see too many Rickenbackers at local music stores, unless they get a used one in, but sometimes they do. As far as new ones, most web sites have a "Call for Price" listed, but don't let that scare you away. The 330's and the 360's are what I would consider to be average priced (other Rickenbacker models are more). I was originally going to get a 330, but they were 6 month backordered, so I went with the 360 instead (which was also backordered, but not as bad and I lucked out as it came fairly quickly). The Fireglo color is harder to get than the other finishes. As I said, it has a unique sound compared to my other guitars, I bought mine on faith, and it all worked out really well. Good luck, if you decide to take the plunge.... :)
Your Rickenbacker really has a great sound! I just bought a new Fender Electric 12 a few days ago and I'm practicing McGuinn style finger picking and rolls. I never used finger picks before but maybe an old dog can learn some new tricks! My new guitar has individual adjustable saddles for each string which is great for intonation. I think the guitar has a nice sound. It has unusual split single coil pickups.
Fender Electric 12 strings have been hard to find. I am excited that new models are out. I am a fan of the Fender sound and love to find one in a store and play it.
@@ludwiguy51 I'm practicing a lot now and I'm getting better at it. Totally new way to play guitar, and not easy! Electric 12, at least the Fender model is like learning to play all over again. My fingers get in the way of each other and I had to adjust my left hand technique. Finger picking with actual finger picks is an art too. I'm just starting to get good at it after a month of practice.
Sir, thank you for the great review and demo. The Ric sounds better but the Dean sounds good. Of course the Ric is many more times expensive but for what it is the Dean is nice. I think Roger M used flatwounds on his. I think flatwounds are common on Ric 12s but not sure about the 6 strings. What strings are on your Ric and Dean?
Thanks for the comments. The strings are D'Addario round wounds light gauge on both guitars. I think I mixed some Ernie ball in there to get the combination I wanted. I have been using bright flats on my Strat and am thinking about trying the type that come on the new Rics
@@ludwiguy51 To be exact, I had the shop install a D'Addario EXL150 set and substituted the the first E strings with 9's, the B strings with 11's and the main G string with a wound .018" from his stock. Since it setup good this way I doubt I will convert to different gauges next time. The recommended are 10-45 and 10-42 gauges. I like 9-45.
@@ludwiguy51 Wow ok but if I'm not mistaken the Champ XD has built in compression that can be used on various models.( I used to own one). Great combo with that guitar. Killer sound!
@@blazersaint144 I am pretty sure I used the "clean" channel, which the manual claims is modeled after the "black face" tube amps. I know it uses a preamp and a power amp tube to get the good sound and tube compression. I don't know if any other effects are added like they are on the OD channel.
There were a few isolated moments during the 2000s when I considered that Dean model, but it was only because I was convinced I couldn’t get my hands on a Rickenbacker. Ultimately, I’ve indefinitely shelved the idea of getting a 12 string electric guitar. Enjoy your demonstration though.
@@liammalone9263 I saw one at GC a while back. I was annoyed that it was not set up well. It would have been nice to try one out that was set up and in tune.
On mine, it is basically a second volume control for the neck PU. It lowers the output of the neck PU in either the center or top toggle switch position.
Eric sin Lol, blend knob, with pick-up switch in the middle position and both pick-up volumes up that little 5th knob turns the neck pick-up volume up and down Bass Blender Rickenbacker calls it... I use mine quite a bit actually on my Tom Petty Limited Edition 66O 12 string #97 of 1OOO Produced to the public... it’s a lot of fun to play. Easy to play too
What's the 12 string behind the couch? I have a Dean, partly based on your review here. It's a fun guitar to play and I'm happy I have it. The neck dive is annoying, but bearable.
Good attempt at a comparison. However, two questions: What amp are you playing these through & rather than using wider narrower please give the nut size of each for full comprehension by your audience. Thanks for the match up!
It would be interesting if the dean had one pickup from the Rickenbacker with the other one being from its OEM that’s originally there. Nice playing. :)
+dbhammond The action on the Dean was a bit high when I first got it. I adjusted the truss rod and bridge several times until I was happy with it. It is still a little higher than the Rickenbacker on the higher frets. A good luthier could get it even lower, but a 12 string is not as easy to play than a six string.
I've got an Eastwood Classic 12 myself, which is more akin to a Gretsch 12 string than a Rickenbacker. It's a really well made solid guitar, it has the same kind of wide nut and has smaller size humbuckers that are probably closer in size to Filtertrons and have a similar tone, which I like. Also, it has a nice thick centre block that offsets the weight of the headstock and it has no problems with neck dive. It's a pretty heavy guitar as a result, easily the heaviest guitar I've ever held, even though it's a semi hollow 😆 My only real bone of contention with it, is one that I have with every single electric 12 string that uses a tune o matic bridge, is that every damn one that I've seen is just a normal 6 string tune o matic with extra slots in the saddles. Try as you might but you simply cannot achieve perfect intonation with 2 sets of strings on 1 saddle. It pisses me off that guitar makers don't install tune o matics with 12 individual saddles because it's necessary, and the factories know it is. I was lucky to find a 12 string tune o matic style bridge made by Duesenberg which does have 12 individual saddles and was a worthy upgrade for the £40 or so that it cost. The only other things I'd change are the tuners, which aren't bad but I'd quite like to swap them for a set of Grover mini rotomatics and then it would be perfect as far as I'm concerned ......but considering that I paid about £300 for it as a hardly used near mint second hand, I don't really mind having to upgrade the bridge and tuners to make a good guitar a great guitar 👍
I have a Danelectro 12 string. I like the slightly wider neck. I'm just an amateur but when I take it to the tech to have it re-strung he always gushes saying it's his favorite 12 string ever. Even likes it more than the Rickenbacker. Way less expensive too.
I was watching on another monitor without looking - immediately recognized when the Ric started being played, it's THAT sound, no 12 string can do that. Also, I prefer the 330's over 360's. I had a 360 and traded it for a 330. I like how bare bones 330's are. The rounded body, fancy triangle inlays, binding, and a stereo output that will never get used are pointless to me, give me a 330.
@@ludwiguy51 I've not played a 12 string, but I've played the 6 string, and the difference I've noticed from the solid bodied rics to the semi-hollows is the solid bodies seem to have a little more pluckiness to them while the semi-hollows seem a little boxier and less tight or snappy. I know the 660/12 was good enough for Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers though, sounded great there.
@@THEQueeferSutherland It seems like the 660/12 has only toaster pups. Do you think that would account for the difference in sound as well? Mine has the newer High Gain pups.
You might have noticed some of the chords to "Feel a Whole Lot Better." Originally the Byrds but covered by Tom Petty. I have worked on parts of "Here Comes My Girl." There is a cool video by Mike Campbell who played the 660/12 on that one.
And how long does it take to change strings on the Ricky? I had a cheap knockoff, and changing strings was a nightmare. I sold it. Have a Gretsch G5422G-12 now. Comes pretty close to the sound of a Ricky, and the tailpiece has individual slots for the strings, and 12 clear tuners, 6 per side. Not really neck heavy.
I have the Dean Sarasota 12 string and a Ric 360. The Boca is the lower end of the line. Personally, the Dean is a much more playable guitar than the Ric. It makes no sense whatsoever why Rickenbaker makes the damn neck so narrow at the nut. It is much more narrow than the Rick 360 6 string yet it has twice as many strings. It is difficult enough to find the space needed to finger the chords in the first position, throw a capo on it and there is just not enough room. If all my guitars somehow got destroyed, I would absolutely get another Sarasota.
Thanks for the tip on the Sarasota. I have not seen one around. I agree on the narrowness of the Rick. They have a few models with the slightly wider neck at the nut. I have not found one I can afford though.
Ya, Ricks surely are very pricey! I just saw a Sarasota on E-Bay for right around $400. That is what they cost brand new. I am sure there are those who could tell the difference in sound between a Rick and the Dean in a blind listening test. But I am not one of them. When recorded it sounds exactly the same to me and I have been playing a Rickenbaker for over 30 years.
I had recently adjusted the relief on the neck and was waiting to see if any readjustment would be needed. In the video I explained that it was off. You can see it in the opening chord and at the end.
Great details on this you really explained and played it so well. Thank you and amazing Roger Mcquin sharing bible lyrics with all of us. Thank God the father Jesus the son. and the Holy Spirit...for Roger and for you sharing this informative educational useful video.
About that Boca neck-diving....drill a small hole 2 inches above the rear strap lug and move the strap lug up to the new hole.....neck-dive gone! Also wonder about the Harley Benton 12 string from Thomann in Europe....It's affordable and they also do a 6-string for John Lennon wannabes. And finally...Are the Ric and Boca bridges 6-saddle or 12-saddle? It makes a real difference when you set up intonation.....I would expect the the Ric to have a12- saddle at that price-point, but don't have one to check.......
Thanks for the tip on the Boca strap lug. Not all Ric 12's have the 12 saddle. Mine does not. I have found that if I set the intonation of the higher octave E, A, and D first, the guitar tunes fine.
I would say that if you can play an acoustic guitar, you would be fine. In one way it is easier than the Rick I have. The string spacing is tight at the first few frets on the Rick. The wider neck Ricks are expensive and hard to find used. I was having trouble with cramps in my left hand when I bought the 330/12. It is easier to get my hand around, and that is why I wanted it.
Many would prefer the sound of the 381/12 because it has the vintage style "toaster" pickups like those used in the 50's and 60's. I have not heard them side by side, but I guess if you need to sound exactly like that era, it would matter to you.
I think he is saying the 381/12 is different to the 330/12 & modern 360/12 due to toasters. Toasters have been wound different over the last 20 years supposebly with some fairly hot ones in the late 90s. The vintage ones are wound very low. Most forums Ive read seem to say people like the medium wound ones (not super hot/not vintage) as they are a good balance. I have an early 2000 360v64 and it doesnt sound super hot compared to low wind tele pickups (about 6.0k) just fuller. Hi gain pickups are a bit louder and prouder with more punch but high end complexity mainly due to the magnets and the polepieces. I'd say toasters are more jangle friendly and hi gains are more rock friendly (the who, the jam etc)
I realize this is an old comment. Contact cleaner does not help because of the way the switch is designed. The simple toggle is quiet unless there is current going through it like when the note is still ringing.
Rickenbacker- 2000$ plus Dean- 350$ eBay Well, some of us are poor, so its a Dean. I swear, if I would ever hit the lottery, I would start a program where disabled low income people can get nice guitars like Rickenbackers.
I going to get a Harley Benton. I been seeing and hearing good reviews. Then I'm going to build my own Rickenbacker inspired 12 string. I just built one that has the 325 shape and the inspiration of the Electro and the Symfonia Grand. It sounds great and the most expensive part was the Rickenbacker high gain pickup.
@@Stevieboy130664 I saw a Danelectro at GC once, but could not get it in tune. It was not set up right. I was really curious about the pickup sound too.
Yeah. You're a man, maybe you're strong. I like to keep my guitars under 8 pounds. I never played it because I didn't even want to pick it up when I looked at it@@ludwiguy51
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Glad to see the review of the Dean Boca- I’ve always wanted to play an electric 12 string and it good to hear that a value model is still a good quality instrument.
I am blown away with the beauty of the sound produced by the Rick. So iconic. What would the Byrds and Hollies have sounded like without a Rick 12 string?.
Not to mention the Beatles on Hard Days Night and many others!
Half as good ?
Hollies?
As of November, 2019, Musician's Friend is listing the Dean Boca for $469.00 (case sold separately). I was surprised by its quality in this video. I may have to check these out in the future. Thank you for making this video!
Even after I got a good deal on the Rick 330/12, I still have the Dean. It has its own sound.
Both guitar are have a great sound. I really enjoyed watching you play.
+Herb Beaty Thanks Herb. No comparison to your classical and slide guitar playing!
Herb Beaty i agree
I'm gonna name my band Nut Cover now.
The Dean Boca is great for getting that good old fashioned Rickenbacker Vibe because of the hollow body.
I love the Ricky 12 headstock. Clever and beautiful in the natural wood.
Thanks, bro ! A great video that displays your passion and honesty about 12 string guitars. I wish you well !
Hope to buy a Rick 12 sometime soon; always wanted to own one.
Gerald, thanks for the comment! In fact I have wanted one for about 40 years!
That was stunning. Watching and hearing you play. Thanks for sharing your love of these instruments. So happy for you that you got this Rickenbacker.
Thanks so much!
Thank you for this review. Found a used Dean Boca 12 string for 260.00 It's quite clean and I always wanted to have a 12 string since I had an acoustic 12 as a kid. The Dean isn't a Ric of course but it will do for me and your review sure helped. (High five)
Glad the review was helpful. Thanks for commenting!
Old video but two points to consider ... 1/ The Dean Boca is strung in the conventional 12 string manner. The Rickenbacker is strung differently with the octave pairs of the 1st to 4th strings reversed. This does have an impact on the tone produced by the Rickenbackers. Of course it is possible to to modify the Dean or any other conventional 12 string guitar to be strung like a Rickenbacker ... 2/ The Byrds sound is not solely a function of Jim McGuinn's Rickenbackers. David Crosby's Gretsch Tennesean and Country Gentleman provided the perfect rhythm accompaniment to McGuinn's 12 string.
Good review and nice to hear from someone who owns them and plays them. Thanks for taking the time to make the video. NIce Mamma's and The Pappa's mixed in there too a couple times man! Good work. I was going to ask you if you can ever bend any of the strings, or when there are the paired (chorus) strings, does that make bending out of the question?
+Trent Mason , thanks for the comments. Yes bending is not too common on these guitars. I suppose it can be done by someone determined and with strong fingers. The sound would definitely be different. I think Pete Townsend of the Who used a 12 string Rick. Maybe he pulled it off some time!
Ibanez artcore 12 strings seem pretty nice for the money.
I'M SURPRISED AT HOW GOOD THOSE HI GAIN PICKUPS SOUND ON THAT RIC. VERY NICE !
Thanks. I like the extra output, even though not as loud as some other guitars.
Great demo! I played a mid-60s 330/12 a long time ago in the studio (it was lent to me for a session by a collector in Germany) and couldn't make friends with the narrow fingerboard, although I don't have very big hands. A couple of years later I got myself a Charvel Surfcaster 12 which has 2 Danelectro-style Lipstick pickups and a push-push phase switch. It also has the innovative Gotoh 12-saddle adjustable bridge - allowing for spot-on intonation for each string. Soundwise it is as close as it can get to a Rickenbacker for a fraction of the $$$...unfortunately, they (Fender) have stopped making them, for whatever reason. Glad I kept mine.
The blend control is different than the volumes. The volume post send signal to ground. The blend pot only uses two lugs adding resistance in line with the neck pickup this way you can soften the sound of the neck
Thanks for the details. I have not experimented much with that system.
Makes sense. I had a 360/12 and The neck pup was louder I never could figure out why. I miss it
I too love the sound of a twelve string. I played Ric 12 strings in the 60s during the heyday of the Byrds, Beatles, etc, but went away from that sound for a while. Again in the 90s, I revisited the 12 sound and got a newer Ric 360. Sadly, someone wanted it more than I did and I sold it. Got the 12 string bug again and got a Danelectro 12 string and a Korean "knockoff" Ric 330 from Canada in the early 2000s. Still have them, but am back to a Ric 330/12. Even with a janglebox, I could not get that exact Ric sound. John Hall has it right with the Rickenbacker. Will probable get rid of the other 12 strings and just keep the Ric. You did an excellent job discussing the pros and cons and pointing-out the important differences in the Ric sound. It is more than just compression. For some reason, the Rics just do the job that our ears are conditioned to hear when we think of 12 string electric guitar.
Thanks for the positive feedback! I agree Ricks have their own sound.
There is a great article on anatomyofguitartone.com about re-wiring your RIck 12 back to the original early 60s circuitry. It is more than compression - it is toaster pickups and having the correct (original) pots and caps.
20 years ago, I owned a Rickenbacker 360/12v64 (George Harrison model) which is similar to your 330/12. Loved the sound. Hated the narrow neck, to the point where I gave it away to a friend who could actually play it with his narrow fingers. There is a solution to the narrow neck problem. The Rickenbacker 1993 Plus model. The neck is 1/8th inch wider and Rickenbacker finally listened and created it to Pete Townsend's specifications. Thanks for the video and the comparison. Great demo and very informative. Happy Holidays! Cheers.
Thanks for the comments. At first I was more concerned with the thickness of the neck from the fretboard to the back. They vary quite a bit.
I altered the string spacing of my 360-12 Rick by reducing the space between the string pairs a tad and moved the outer pairs a tad to the rimof the neck: better playing
Did you do the work yourself? A local luthier did not think it would be possible without getting the strings too close to the edge, and also that the bridge would have to be modified.
Yes after I read in a Rick forum about that. As the bridge is farther away I didn´t modify that. It took me 2 uncut nuts to get what I intended and the third one will be the best...some day ;-) It works!
Which forum? And do you have the measurements that worked?
Own a Ric 360/12, love it.Dean sounds nice too.
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Good review but no question the RIC is far superior. I had the Dean Boca and it was way neck heavy, almost impossible to play standing up and fatigued your wrist. The RIC sounds balanced and defined while the Boca is a bit dark and muddy. Still the Boca isn't bad for the price but again there really isn't any comparison...
got through 4 rick demos before finding yours, which actually has the trebly sound I wanted to hear
These days you can go pick up the Byrds-approved JangleBox pedal, which will turn your Rickenbacker automatically into a compressed, Byrds type sound machine. It will probably
help with a non-Rickenbacker electric 12-string, but I'm not sure how much so. It's really designed for Rickenbacker owners, I believe. I think the pedal retails for
around $200 or so.
A friend bought the Jangle box, but returned it. I only had the Dean then. The compression was good, but I didn't get the time to fully check it out.
@@ludwiguy51 I see, but any word on why he returned it? I'm not certain if it will impart the Byrds effect on other 12-strings. I don't own a Ricky, I just have a lowly lefty acoustic=electric 12-string I got about two years ago to replace another low-end one I got eight years ago that I had to throw out, because the bridge warped out eventually. I'm having better luck by far with my new one. I'd love a Rickenbacker 360/12 but I cannot swing the $4000 for one, alas. Nor can I justify the expense. I'm a lefty guitarist which is also a major issue. However, I now own two Vox amps (the VX50 being the best I own), so I can squeeze some jangle out of that! I was told by a local guitar shop dealer that Rickenbacker as a company is the WORST and most pretentious, obnoxious and weird company to deal with. I wish someone could manufacture some 12-strings that at least get close to the sound of a Rickenbacker, without infringing on
copyright or TM or whatever. But tough luck, I guess. Is the main Ricky 12 string sound mainly coming out of the pickups, per se, or is it the overall design as well?
@@thiscorrosion900 I am not sure why he returned the Jangle Box. Maybe he thought he could get the Rick sound or a better sound out of one of his guitars.
The mystique of the Rick sound I think is a combination of things. The single coil pickups, the long scale and the semi- hollow body come together nicely, but it is subjective. There is a certain solid feel that appeals to me as well.
OTOH there are some annoying factors about the company too. The first used one I held played wonderfully but I missed the opportunity. The second used one I ordered online from GC had a thick clubby neck.
The latest models were the same. I had to call the dealers and have them measure for me until I found this 2008 model that felt more comfortable to me. There is no other way to know when the shape changed that I could tell.
Italia Rimini 12 is a great guitar if you can find one. Perfect width neck for flat picking or finger picks.
Do they still make the Rimini?
Both sound great, and I like your playing a lot.
+steverok67 , thanks for the compliment. Each one has good sounds for different songs.
@@ludwiguy51 What kind of amp are you using here ? Sounds perfect !
@@steverok67 the original fender Super Champ XD, on the clean channel
@@steverok67 Thanks. It is the original Fender SuperChamp DX. I used the clean channel with a touch of reverb.
Stellar playing. This is great!
+Austin Hatch Thanks!
You just can’t get the authentic McGuinn/Byrds sound by randomly flat-picking as you can clearly hear here. Plectrum plus metal fingerpicks are required, a smooth rolling banjo-style technique, plus very definite and precise picking patterns at all times. It’s deceptive when you hear the records until you try to seriously duplicate the 12-string parts. It takes lots of time and lots of effort, but it’s worth it, IMO. Going outside your
comfort zone is good for your playing and your musical soul.
McGuinn certainly demonstrated banjo-style technique, which set his playing apart from others on the 12 string. The Beatles, the Who, The Heartbreakers, Led Zeppelin and many others made great music on the 12 string as well but different from McGuinn. I would point out, however that McGuinn did strum the Rick 12 at times.
Agreed that if you want to nail the classic Byrds sound his fingerpicking methods must be mastered.
@@ludwiguy51 Don't forget that on Byrds recordings, there are 3 guitars playing separate lead lines overlaid on each other. RM had to develop a special version of his own music to allow for solo playing. Trying to learn to do banjo rolls is a flat-out SOB, particular for an older player. Fortunately for RM he started out as a banjo player.....when his fingers were youthful and (more) nimble.
@@skipkirkwood9935 I love smooth rolling finger picking on both the banjo and 12 string. But I am having plenty of fun doing what I do on several instruments. That's what great about having a hobby. It's for a challenge but also for fun!
Just to add another view to the mix, I bought a Boca myself a while back and didn't like it at all. The cherry sunburst finish was pretty but that's where the joy ended for me. First, its weight balance was a real problem -- neck dive worse than I had ever experienced in a guitar. Then, the nut width was a giant 1-7/8 inches, making the guitar somewhat difficult to find notes on. The pickups were overly hot and somewhat dark-sounding. And the icing on the cake was that the bridge pickup assembly was mounted at least 1/8-inch too far to the right, making the magnet poles sit way aside of the strings. I wish I still owned my old Rickenbacker 450-12 but am pretty happy with the Reverend Airwave 12 that I bought last year.
I had mine set up as I was new to the design. At least it was not off set like yours.
@@ludwiguy51 I'm glad you had better success with your Boca. That being the case, I do agree with your view that the Dean is a way for a guitarist to get into the wonderful world of 12-string. Granted, one cannot expect awesomeness for the low price these sell for; the Boca is built down to a cost point but I feel they cut too many corners in doing so. In the end, I would say that all the issues which I experienced could have been initially addressed by Dean... then they COULD have produced a really nice instrument with a bit more care in the design and quality control at a bit more cost. Cheers.
Obviously, I would have not sought out a Rickenbacker if I was totally satisfied with the Dean. I saw a used one and how much easier it was to play. That was all it took.
Nice descriptions. Thank you.
You have got a beautiful guitar. I like Rickenbacker style, but its way too expensive for me. Maybe some day Ill have one too. For now I have many guitars with origins in my country. Greetings !
Thanks for the compliment on my guitar. They are expensive, that is why I bought used, and the model with less decorative bindings.
Getting a 360/6 soon... Really enjoyed your video... Thanks for posting! :)
I am curious about the six string. Any 12 will sound distinctive, but I don't know about the Rick 6 string.
Hi Dan... I have a few guitars, but the ones I primarily play are a Gibson ES-335 and a Les Paul. And yes, I did indeed get the Rickenbacker 360-6 string and I do love it. It has a bright sound that's very unique compared to my other guitars, so it really works well in my collection. I play it on many 1960's tunes (and some more modern ones as well, like some Tom Petty, etc.) and I love the sound.
I had a lot of concerns going in as I bought it online from Sweetwater (again, going against my pledge to never buy a guitar I didn't play first, but I bought my Gibsons from them and they're awesome). I read things about the Rickenbacker having a narrow neck, not being good for people (like me) with bigger fingers, etc., being difficult to play, & so on, and I was really concerned that I might not like the guitar once I got it. All I can say is I LOVE this guitar and have a hard time putting it down! The first song I played on it was "She's a Woman" by the Beatles and I instantly fell in love! As I said, it has a unique sound, beautiful, light action and I find it VERY easy to play. It's a really cool guitar and I'm genuinely proud to own it. Check out some videos here on RUclips and you'll get a pretty good idea about the sound. Also, look on Rickenbacker's website as they list retailers (maybe near you) that might have one in stock that you could check out. It might not be for everyone, but I love mine. Good luck, man.
@@KingBobCat Thanks for telling about your six string Rick. Funny, when I saw John Lennon with his and Paul with the Hofner, I thought both guitars were made in Europe for years. I rarely see one in stores where I live. We have both Samash and Guitar Center.
Hi again, Dan... Yeah, I thought Rickenbackers were German and had no idea they were made in California, until fairly recently. :) You probably won't see too many Rickenbackers at local music stores, unless they get a used one in, but sometimes they do. As far as new ones, most web sites have a "Call for Price" listed, but don't let that scare you away. The 330's and the 360's are what I would consider to be average priced (other Rickenbacker models are more). I was originally going to get a 330, but they were 6 month backordered, so I went with the 360 instead (which was also backordered, but not as bad and I lucked out as it came fairly quickly). The Fireglo color is harder to get than the other finishes. As I said, it has a unique sound compared to my other guitars, I bought mine on faith, and it all worked out really well. Good luck, if you decide to take the plunge.... :)
Rickenbacker has much more focused sound... clear, bright and decidedly pointed.
That Byrds tone!
Your Rickenbacker really has a great sound! I just bought a new Fender Electric 12 a few days ago and I'm practicing McGuinn style finger picking and rolls. I never used finger picks before but maybe an old dog can learn some new tricks! My new guitar has individual adjustable saddles for each string which is great for intonation. I think the guitar has a nice sound. It has unusual split single coil pickups.
Fender Electric 12 strings have been hard to find. I am excited that new models are out. I am a fan of the Fender sound and love to find one in a store and play it.
@@ludwiguy51 There was a new Electric XII in Olympic white at my local music store. I thought about it for 1 day and went back and bought it.
@@vampolascott36 Sounds cool!
@@ludwiguy51 I'm practicing a lot now and I'm getting better at it. Totally new way to play guitar, and not easy! Electric 12, at least the Fender model is like learning to play all over again. My fingers get in the way of each other and I had to adjust my left hand technique. Finger picking with actual finger picks is an art too. I'm just starting to get good at it after a month of practice.
Sir, thank you for the great review and demo. The Ric sounds better but the Dean sounds good. Of course the Ric is many more times expensive but for what it is the Dean is nice.
I think Roger M used flatwounds on his. I think flatwounds are common on Ric 12s but not sure about the 6 strings.
What strings are on your Ric and Dean?
Thanks for the comments. The strings are D'Addario round wounds light gauge on both guitars. I think I mixed some Ernie ball in there to get the combination I wanted. I have been using bright flats on my Strat and am thinking about trying the type that come on the new Rics
@@ludwiguy51 To be exact, I had the shop install a D'Addario EXL150 set and substituted the the first E strings with 9's, the B strings with 11's and the main G string with a wound .018" from his stock. Since it setup good this way I doubt I will convert to different gauges next time.
The recommended are 10-45 and 10-42 gauges. I like 9-45.
This kind of made me think I should save my money and get the Rickenbacker. It is the 12 string sound I am after.
Excellent review - would love to own a 330
Thank you. I bought mine used, but in great condition.
Best Rick demo out there ! I'm deciding between the Guild Starfire XII, Fender XII or a Rick. Are you using a jangle box for compression?
Thanks. No pedal, only into a Fender Super Champ XD with some reverb. The tubes probably do add some compression.
@@ludwiguy51 Wow ok but if I'm not mistaken the Champ XD has built in compression that can be used on various models.( I used to own one). Great combo with that guitar. Killer sound!
@@blazersaint144 I am pretty sure I used the "clean" channel, which the manual claims is modeled after the "black face" tube amps. I know it uses a preamp and a power amp tube to get the good sound and tube compression. I don't know if any other effects are added like they are on the OD channel.
There were a few isolated moments during the 2000s when I considered that Dean model, but it was only because I was convinced I couldn’t get my hands on a Rickenbacker. Ultimately, I’ve indefinitely shelved the idea of getting a 12 string electric guitar. Enjoy your demonstration though.
Get the danelectro
It's brilliant and it plays great, the Sunburst one with the sound hole
@@liammalone9263 I saw one at GC a while back. I was annoyed that it was not set up well. It would have been nice to try one out that was set up and in tune.
@@ludwiguy51 when they're set up nicely they play almost as easy as the six string model
Good job! I am considering a Dean... and did not want to spend $1500 more!
Nice demo and playing I call the fifth knob the suck knob
I call it The Fade
Tempting The Pagans
STILL THE SUCK KNOB TO ME
On mine, it is basically a second volume control for the neck PU. It lowers the output of the neck PU in either the center or top toggle switch position.
ludwiguy51
Yes thats what it does and to me if it all one way its horrible, also it controls the balance between the stereo outputs
Eric sin Lol, blend knob, with pick-up switch in the middle position and both pick-up volumes up that little 5th knob turns the neck pick-up volume up and down Bass Blender Rickenbacker calls it... I use mine quite a bit actually on my Tom Petty Limited Edition 66O 12 string #97 of 1OOO Produced to the public... it’s a lot of fun to play. Easy to play too
Nice demo. Just trying to do a little research for a first time 12 string buy.
What's the 12 string behind the couch? I have a Dean, partly based on your review here. It's a fun guitar to play and I'm happy I have it. The neck dive is annoying, but bearable.
The acoustic behind the couch is an Epiphone FT-165 we have had for 30 years. Easier to play than some 6 string acoustics.
Good attempt at a comparison. However, two questions: What amp are you playing these through & rather than using wider narrower please give the nut size of each for full comprehension by your audience. Thanks for the match up!
Thanks for the comments. The amp I used is the Fender SuperChamp XD. The nut size on the Rickenbacker is 1 5/8." The Dean is 1 7/8."
The SuperChamp XD was on the clean channel with reverb on about 3
Thank you, Very informative.
It would be interesting if the dean had one pickup from the Rickenbacker with the other one being from its OEM that’s originally there.
Nice playing. :)
Great rick though. I'm a 12 string elec guy. I owned mostly vox phantom and tear drop 12s. I owned 4 Ricks they are such great guitars
Really nice sounds. Thanks for posting! I had a question about the Dean- How is the action on it high up on the neck?
+dbhammond The action on the Dean was a bit high when I first got it. I adjusted the truss rod and bridge several times until I was happy with it. It is still a little higher than the Rickenbacker on the higher frets. A good luthier could get it even lower, but a 12 string is not as easy to play than a six string.
The difference in scale length probably accounts for most of the sound difference.
When I think 12-string, my mind immediately goes to a 330/12 and I suddenly feel the urge to get a "Ticket to Ride" "8 Miles High!"
I've got an Eastwood Classic 12 myself, which is more akin to a Gretsch 12 string than a Rickenbacker. It's a really well made solid guitar, it has the same kind of wide nut and has smaller size humbuckers that are probably closer in size to Filtertrons and have a similar tone, which I like. Also, it has a nice thick centre block that offsets the weight of the headstock and it has no problems with neck dive. It's a pretty heavy guitar as a result, easily the heaviest guitar I've ever held, even though it's a semi hollow 😆
My only real bone of contention with it, is one that I have with every single electric 12 string that uses a tune o matic bridge, is that every damn one that I've seen is just a normal 6 string tune o matic with extra slots in the saddles. Try as you might but you simply cannot achieve perfect intonation with 2 sets of strings on 1 saddle. It pisses me off that guitar makers don't install tune o matics with 12 individual saddles because it's necessary, and the factories know it is.
I was lucky to find a 12 string tune o matic style bridge made by Duesenberg which does have 12 individual saddles and was a worthy upgrade for the £40 or so that it cost. The only other things I'd change are the tuners, which aren't bad but I'd quite like to swap them for a set of Grover mini rotomatics and then it would be perfect as far as I'm concerned ......but considering that I paid about £300 for it as a hardly used near mint second hand, I don't really mind having to upgrade the bridge and tuners to make a good guitar a great guitar 👍
Thanks for the info on the Eastwood. Sounds great. 12 strings electrics are rare around here. I would love to see a 660/12 some time.
I have a Danelectro 12 string. I like the slightly wider neck. I'm just an amateur but when I take it to the tech to have it re-strung he always gushes saying it's his favorite 12 string ever. Even likes it more than the Rickenbacker. Way less expensive too.
Thanks for the comments. I would love to hear the sound of the lipstick pickups with the 12 strings.
I love Grover tuners. Great video sir.
Even though High Gain and Toaser pickups are different they both have the same Ric characteristic.
I have not heard the Toaster pickups up close, but I agree with you. The Rick sound is there.
Nice tones!
What was the amp?
Thanks for the comment! It was a Fender SuperChamp XD on the clean channel with some reverb.
Flamin' Groovy.
Super sound! What kind of pedal between guitar and amp??
No pedal. Just some reverb on the clean channel of a Fender SuperChampXD
I was watching on another monitor without looking - immediately recognized when the Ric started being played, it's THAT sound, no 12 string can do that. Also, I prefer the 330's over 360's. I had a 360 and traded it for a 330. I like how bare bones 330's are. The rounded body, fancy triangle inlays, binding, and a stereo output that will never get used are pointless to me, give me a 330.
Have you played the 660/12? I was wondering if the solid body sound took anything away.
@@ludwiguy51 I've not played a 12 string, but I've played the 6 string, and the difference I've noticed from the solid bodied rics to the semi-hollows is the solid bodies seem to have a little more pluckiness to them while the semi-hollows seem a little boxier and less tight or snappy. I know the 660/12 was good enough for Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers though, sounded great there.
@@THEQueeferSutherland This might just be my next quest, to find a good deal on a 660/12! I think it might be a little bit easier to play.
@@THEQueeferSutherland It seems like the 660/12 has only toaster pups. Do you think that would account for the difference in sound as well? Mine has the newer High Gain pups.
Thank you - great video.
Thanks for this video! Do you play any Tom Petty? He uses the Rick a lot
You might have noticed some of the chords to "Feel a Whole Lot Better." Originally the Byrds but covered by Tom Petty. I have worked on parts of "Here Comes My Girl." There is a cool video by Mike Campbell who played the 660/12 on that one.
ludwiguy51 Yeah his cover of the song is near identical haha. He was a huge Byrds fan. Thanks!
You could coil tap those hum buckers and get a single coil sound on the Dena boca.
I suppose it is possible. I would not because this way I get a variety of sounds
And how long does it take to change strings on the Ricky? I had a cheap knockoff, and changing strings was a nightmare. I sold it. Have a Gretsch G5422G-12 now. Comes pretty close to the sound of a Ricky, and the tailpiece has individual slots for the strings, and 12 clear tuners, 6 per side. Not really neck heavy.
I have the Dean Sarasota 12 string and a Ric 360. The Boca is the lower end of the line. Personally, the Dean is a much more playable guitar than the Ric. It makes no sense whatsoever why Rickenbaker makes the damn neck so narrow at the nut. It is much more narrow than the Rick 360 6 string yet it has twice as many strings. It is difficult enough to find the space needed to finger the chords in the first position, throw a capo on it and there is just not enough room. If all my guitars somehow got destroyed, I would absolutely get another Sarasota.
Thanks for the tip on the Sarasota. I have not seen one around. I agree on the narrowness of the Rick. They have a few models with the slightly wider neck at the nut. I have not found one I can afford though.
Ya, Ricks surely are very pricey! I just saw a Sarasota on E-Bay for right around $400. That is what they cost brand new. I am sure there are those who could tell the difference in sound between a Rick and the Dean in a blind listening test. But I am not one of them. When recorded it sounds exactly the same to me and I have been playing a Rickenbaker for over 30 years.
With the Boca I think the sound difference is more due to the Humbucking pickups like the Gibson and Epiphone SG 12's.
I have some recordings using the Dean 12 and it really sounds good to my ears.
Ya, they sound great. On your video when you are playing a part of Feel A Whole Lot Better it just sounds full, jangly, sparkly and perfect.
what is the string height of the rickenbacker 12 string at the 12th fret ? thanks
The string height of my Rickenbacker at the 12th fret is 2/32" on the high E and 3/32" on the low E.
thanks matey
Both sound amazing
Mostly cause of the great playing but may have to check out a 12 string Dean elec ty!
Thanks for the comment!
Will the Dean stay in tune after strumming a few songs ?
The Dean stays in tune just fine.
Love the Rickenbacker..
Where is the name plate on the head ?
I had recently adjusted the relief on the neck and was waiting to see if any readjustment would be needed. In the video I explained that it was off. You can see it in the opening chord and at the end.
Yes, it's worth the $1,550 more. These is Rickenbacker, then there is the rest
Great details on this you really explained and played it so well.
Thank you and amazing Roger Mcquin sharing bible lyrics with all of us. Thank God the father Jesus the son. and the Holy Spirit...for Roger and for you sharing this informative educational
useful video.
About that Boca neck-diving....drill a small hole 2 inches above the rear strap lug and move the strap lug up to the new hole.....neck-dive gone! Also wonder about the Harley Benton 12 string from Thomann in Europe....It's affordable and they also do a 6-string for John Lennon wannabes. And finally...Are the Ric and Boca bridges 6-saddle or 12-saddle? It makes a real difference when you set up intonation.....I would expect the the Ric to have a12- saddle at that price-point, but don't have one to check.......
Thanks for the tip on the Boca strap lug. Not all Ric 12's have the 12 saddle. Mine does not. I have found that if I set the intonation of the higher octave E, A, and D first, the guitar tunes fine.
Older gent busts out some Petty. Cool cat...
As much as I like the sound of the Rick, that neck is to narrow for me.
They have 2 models with a slightly wider neck. I have not found one used yet
And the courses are reversed.
Love the guitars but the neck is to narrow for me to otherwise I would have one
Nice!
do you get used to the wide neck on the Boca, or is it a struggle to play? Thanks.
I would say that if you can play an acoustic guitar, you would be fine. In one way it is easier than the Rick I have. The string spacing is tight at the first few frets on the Rick. The wider neck Ricks are expensive and hard to find used. I was having trouble with cramps in my left hand when I bought the 330/12. It is easier to get my hand around, and that is why I wanted it.
Boca for me
Might have been an idea to tune it first.
If they are strung different, they sound different...
can you get the same sound (almost) from the 381 / 12 string. I can't find comparisons.
Many would prefer the sound of the 381/12 because it has the vintage style "toaster" pickups like those used in the 50's and 60's. I have not heard them side by side, but I guess if you need to sound exactly like that era, it would matter to you.
There should be several on RUclips about the Vintage series Rickenbacker 12's. The subtle difference in sound is in the pickups.
great. So the toasters have changed since the 60's and those are no longer being put on the new ones; unless vintage ?
I have not found yet. 360/12 vs 381/12 with the toasters. as in the 60's.
I think he is saying the 381/12 is different to the 330/12 & modern 360/12 due to toasters. Toasters have been wound different over the last 20 years supposebly with some fairly hot ones in the late 90s. The vintage ones are wound very low. Most forums Ive read seem to say people like the medium wound ones (not super hot/not vintage) as they are a good balance. I have an early 2000 360v64 and it doesnt sound super hot compared to low wind tele pickups (about 6.0k) just fuller. Hi gain pickups are a bit louder and prouder with more punch but high end complexity mainly due to the magnets and the polepieces. I'd say toasters are more jangle friendly and hi gains are more rock friendly (the who, the jam etc)
...but what about the 12 string behind the couch? ;-)
That is my wife's Epiphone. Inexpensive but easy to play! I should have included it in the video.
Hello Ludwig, did you install flatwounds on the Dean for this demo?
No, and the Rick had round wounds also. both D'Addario
ludwiguy51 Thanks!
ARE YOU IN STANDARD TUNING OR TUNED DOWN A HALF STEP ?
Standard tuning. Thanks.
It sounds like you need some electric contact cleaner on your pick-up selector switch for the Rickenbacker. Enjoyed muchly, rock on.
I realize this is an old comment. Contact cleaner does not help because of the way the switch is designed. The simple toggle is quiet unless there is current going through it like when the note is still ringing.
nothing rings like a rick.
I modded my dean w/ stop tailpiece, and ricky p'up...sounds good.
Did you change all the electronics?
what amp are you are you using and are you using pedals
I am using the original Fender SuperChampXD, clean channel with a touch of reverb. No pedals.
The overtones on the Rick are superior to the Dean.
Your Ricky 330 sounds chimey!
Thanks!
"High" Gains, Toss 'em for "Toasters"!!!!!!!!! Check out the Danelectro!
I saw a Danelectro 12 at Guitar Center a few years ago and really wanted to try it. But the set up was so bad. I could not get it in tune.
Dude, It's not extra if that's what it costs.
so true .. it sounds right or not !
Rickenbacker- 2000$ plus
Dean- 350$ eBay
Well, some of us are poor, so its a Dean. I swear, if I would ever hit the lottery, I would start a program where disabled low income people can get nice guitars like Rickenbackers.
The Dean is a good deal. Listen to how it sounds in a recording here: ruclips.net/video/zwoxtwz1OVM/видео.html
I got my Rick used for $1300. But there are several alternatives, like Gretch and Schector, and Danelectro
Try the various Danelectro 12 strings.
I going to get a Harley Benton. I been seeing and hearing good reviews. Then I'm going to build my own Rickenbacker inspired 12 string. I just built one that has the 325 shape and the inspiration of the Electro and the Symfonia Grand. It sounds great and the most expensive part was the Rickenbacker high gain pickup.
@@Stevieboy130664 I saw a Danelectro at GC once, but could not get it in tune. It was not set up right. I was really curious about the pickup sound too.
It's Ricken BACKER, not Ricken BAHKER
Yes, I have learned that, but habits are hard to break.
sorry no competition rick has it. forget price quality first.
Dean have a heavy neck and not balanced.
+alphasxsignal , that is true, but not so much noticed when playing.
That Dean is a boat anchor. I could barely lift it. I hated that guitar
I have no problems lifting mine. Are we talking about the same guitar?
Yeah. You're a man, maybe you're strong. I like to keep my guitars under 8 pounds. I never played it because I didn't even want to pick it up when I looked at it@@ludwiguy51
Considering Rickenbacker is an American company, it's amazing why Americans cant pronounce it! "A" for APPLE! not ARM!! For some reason it's annoying.
To my ear, the cheaper guitar sounds better.
I have recorded with the Dean, and it really sounds great! Doubt if I will ever sell it.
Ricken...."back"er....... not bacher............
Play more, talk less.
DON'T NEED ONE, TOTAL WASTE OF TIME