What are you talking about? They didn't leave them to rot-people hunted them on their land. They ate the meat. Sorry you couldn't get an invite to hunt on their private land. Others did. What this news piece really lacks is the fish and game agency's estimate of the number of elk in the unit vs how many tags are being given to private landowners. Very hard to get an objective perspective without that.
Becoming rich can rob you of your humanity... But some people never had any. Pray for all the animals. Next decade is going to be hard on wildlife with warming climate too :(
It’s super sick! Rich people on the coast wanting to control a natural resource so they can have their private pets. Unbelievable! These rich entitled hippies cry and cry over land management all so they can have the control over the states resources.
I did a training at Rilea. Never saw a Elk the whole time. That was in 06'. How much has it changed. I dont think Ive been up that way since 08'. I see em everytime down by the Redwoods as they love this park that floods all the time.
@@boulderingbadger6179 Go on a PT run early around the post, and you're likely to find yourself with some new joggin' buddies as they materialize out of the morning fog. I love the herds enjoying sanctuary around there. Even when we have qualification day at the range, they'll be out by the MOUT course chillin'
I’m a hunter and I thought the same thing, problem is it might cost a lot more money. Which considering how rich they are they probably should’ve figured that out.
Oregon is upside down. You won’t have to search hard to see how the state is working overtime to shut down small, even micro farmers because a handful of chickens ‘might’ contaminate groundwater while, at the same time, they’re encouraging wholesale slaughter of elk because they might eat the horse feed off a coastal ranch. I stand with the chicken farmers and the legitimate elk hunters.
80 tags for one property owner is not a “deterrent”. …if this is meant as behavior modification, it’s not working. No cap on the number killed is obvious corruption and profiteering.
I wish the reporting would have asked ODFW about relocation. There are areas in the island Coast Range that could easily support these herds. Tags just because they are a nuisance feels like a lazy way for ODFW to address the concerns.
Doesn't seem like a safe place to shoot. Elk don't really belong in the mountains. They were pushed up there by over hunting all the way back in the beginning. Elk should be able to move through the coastal area and should really be in the Willamette Valley. We are trying to restore wolves maybe we should restore the elk back to their original ranges. Lewis and Clark nearly starved to death in the mountains because there were a lack of game animals. The elk want to be in the valleys where the food is at.
The PNW is seeing too many impacts of animal population elimination, and its states are far more conservative in animal protection than most. I suspect eliminating the elk and removing their footprint through the valleys and coast will ultimately cause erosion impact and explosion of another animal population that will be more of a nuisance to humans than the elk ever were. IDK why Americans want to bring their suburban living to places where it causes problems for both the environment and humans, like increased allergies and depletion of water. Make it make sense.
I feel both sides have valid points. If I was farming, I wouldn't like Elk destroying my crops. The problem is the large number of Elk in a populated area.
Always has to be someone complaining. The elk are on private property doing the damage, its very common practice for landowners/farmers/ranchers etc to get tags issued for this from ODFW. Maybe the Californians living in the million dollar beach homes need to go back to where they came from if they dont like it.
If you own property, that’s part of the deal. Things get damaged and you have to pay for it. We shouldn’t kill innocent animals because humans don’t like fixing fences. 🤦♂️ that fishing an wildlife rep needs to be fired.
You want to pay higher taxes to help me pay for it? Although I think this was heavy-handed, it's not like they're killing animals and just wasting their carcasses.
@@allouttabubblegum1984 property owners don’t get to push the cost onto the taxpayers payers, just like I don’t get to push the cost onto the taxpayers if my furnace or water heater brakes. These animals were a nuisance at best, not a reason to kill wildlife.
@@allouttabubblegum1984 The killing of native animals greatly impacts the environment and the populations of other wild animals. This is why several states are reintroducing native animals that were eliminated for being a nuisance. The bottom line is, if people do not want wild animals on their land, they need to live in the city. This clearly indicates their lack of concern for the environment, which points to a larger issue of depleting resources in the area.
The Gearhart Elk population was well in excess of 200 hundred before this process started. The Elk herd would cause shut downs at the local airport in Seaside, they caused vehicle collisions on the Highway (either by entering the roadway and being struck or distracting drivers) which is all in addition to the above mentioned damage to private property. It's important to note, property damage by this herd was not exclusive to the Surf Pines neighborhood. To say the ODFW Biologist needs to be fired for getting an uncontrolled elk population down to a manageable level is asinine especially since it did successfully push them east of Highway 101 and out of more populated areas. This program worked as designed and to frame it differently is disingenuous.
Usually the state pays hundreds of thousands of dollars (taxpayer money) to have so called “professional hunters” come in to reduce herd populations, and the meat isn’t necessarily used for good. At least in this instance, avg hunters were allowed to harvest problem animals for their own freezers. Notice the story only interviewed the rich, retired never hunted in their life types, for the story? How about interviewing the farmers who requested help from the state? You know, show both sides of the story.
There was no information and/or questions about the population size of elk in Clatsop County and in Oregon in general. There's a whole lot of elk out there, folks. Inform yourselves about basic wildlife management before you go off about how the people running ODFW don't know what they're doing. It's unfortunate that people who already live on the beach don't get to have their free zoo, but guess they'll just have to settle for enjoying the ocean everyday.
There's a whole lot of elk on the coast because they should be in the valleys where their natural predators live and there is a set hunting season in safe to hunt areas. Humans mess with nature too much when there was already a life cycle that kept animal populations in check.
maybe u should take a class on wildlife biology there slick, theres elk in both places because thats where they have always been and theres predators on the coast just the same as the valleys@@kespo5358
I live here and I can tell you the babies move with the heard they don't sit and cry and those elk where killed over 3.5 years as well as most of them where shot on warehouser properties and one gentleman yard
Hearing the ODF guy say there is no magic number for elk population made me very sad. I cant imagine our natural resources being ran by this guy. He doesn't seem passionate about nature, more defensive of the bureaucracy's actions.
Love how all the opposing landowners in the area are suddenly wildlife biologist experts. And no mention of problem elk chasing people , dogs and cars or damage caused by vehicle/ elk collisions. It is ODFW 's job to manage populations and they have been using damage tag programs for a long time before now.
1. There are absolutely tons of elk on the Oregon coast. As in literally thousands of elk. 2. Damage tags are opportunities for hunters to harvest an elk and bring home lean organic meat for their family to eat. 3. Elk babies do not cry for their mom for four days after their mom is dead. That is ridiculous. If we managed elk herds so baby’s don’t loose their moms we would have zero predators on the landscape. Bears and cougars kill a lot of “mother” elk every single year. And even more baby elk within hours of them being born. 4. This is management and not waste! The elk are being utilized and there are lots of people who like to eat elk and don’t want to buy their meat from the store. This is a great opportunity for them to harvest an elk, get a lot of meat, and reduce numbers in an area of conflict. It’s literally the definition of a win win. The comments on here crying about this are the same people who buy their steak from a store and have no problem with it because they don’t actually have to see any death. People who are against others harvesting their own organic, hormone free meat, are some of the most hypocritical people out there
It's bad enough these Elk are losing their grazing areas, but I thought hunters aren't supposed to shoot a Doe!? Especially when they have a fawn, what in the world... This is Crazy
But we know it's not the people that love animals... Is the people that love their property more than they love their wildlife of the state. I certainly hope they're not going to just turn the meat into the garbage that they use it to feed the homeless...
Elks are a natural way of controlling wild fires and are vital to the ecosystem if you want to control them introduce wolves and coyotes their natural predators. Most likely they may have ordered the coyotes and wolves culled too and soon will be complaining of Lyme disease.
or alternatively...looking at the antlers on the bulls they showed. a more likely scenario is they all had hood rot and they got exterminated to cover up for Weyerhaeuser.
Gearhart has a huge oceanside park the elk basically live in. I used to live there it was magical. They jump so easily and so high in the air they never damaged fences. They glide through town like ghosts. They don't trample anything. They sleep on grass and in the park. I had a garden there and yeah elk ate from the garden but so did slugs, deer, rabbits and whatever else came around. Its sad to think they are gone. They were part of the draw to the place. The elk herd was on all the postcards for the place and everything. Elk get aggressive during rutting season but otherwise I never heard anyone complain about them ever. Very strange.
All hunters know that elk can be pushed, so will they push or make excuses. Selling tags and yet luring elk into town, then danage tages kills elk and many do not get to hunt in forest wgere animals should be, but now somebodys pet
The animal that needs to be controlled is the human they thought there was too many buffalo too many passenger pigeons, but yet they’re trying to save some butterfly moth
The rich build their houses on Elk fields then build golf courses then the rich kill them...Priceless
Elk eat grass and brush. Grass and brush burns, then the landowners complain about the fires. Something has to eat the grass and brush. It is food.
Are you serious?? We could have had an awesome bonus hunting season and these rich bastards just had them exterminated?
What are you talking about? They didn't leave them to rot-people hunted them on their land. They ate the meat. Sorry you couldn't get an invite to hunt on their private land. Others did.
What this news piece really lacks is the fish and game agency's estimate of the number of elk in the unit vs how many tags are being given to private landowners. Very hard to get an objective perspective without that.
@@stacysilverman6366 that's my mistake then. My cursory viewing had me thinking they just had them killed which was beyond the pale to me
@@stacysilverman6366 those private landowners DO NOT OWN THE ELK, should of been a draw.
Apparently killed at the wrong time with babies too young.
@@evonne315no they didn’t…… the season is the same every year and always has been…..
Anyone else think this is sick?
Rich people shape all our lives.
Not in good ways.
This is so disgusting.
Becoming rich can rob you of your humanity... But some people never had any. Pray for all the animals. Next decade is going to be hard on wildlife with warming climate too :(
AND FYI: I don't think anyone 'thinks' it's sick. IT JUST IS SICK! I am with you
It’s super sick! Rich people on the coast wanting to control a natural resource so they can have their private pets.
Unbelievable! These rich entitled hippies cry and cry over land management all so they can have the control over the states resources.
Rich people shape all our lives? Nah, I take some personal responsibly what shapes my life, and so should you.
'Crops'
That's the elk herds near Camp Rilea, there are no goddamn crops. There's Golf Courses.
I did a training at Rilea. Never saw a Elk the whole time. That was in 06'. How much has it changed. I dont think Ive been up that way since 08'. I see em everytime down by the Redwoods as they love this park that floods all the time.
@@boulderingbadger6179 Go on a PT run early around the post, and you're likely to find yourself with some new joggin' buddies as they materialize out of the morning fog. I love the herds enjoying sanctuary around there. Even when we have qualification day at the range, they'll be out by the MOUT course chillin'
@@WindFireAllThatKindOfThing I just got a TDI VW so I can go to the coast for cheap. Your description has me itching to go this weekend.
Good ole rich boy network getting called out. Party is over, good while it lasted for some to lazy to hunt like real men.
What a stupid comment,
Why not capture and release into other native habitat areas. I suspect these elk are Roosevelt elk. Were all options investigated.
That is their native habitat, unlike the Indians that came from Russia.
Elk were hunted to extinction in the eastern USA - and had to be reintroduced.
I’m a hunter and I thought the same thing, problem is it might cost a lot more money. Which considering how rich they are they probably should’ve figured that out.
People living where they should not be. Most this is a second vacation home. Rich People Parasitic Syndrome.
Horrible!
Oh no, an elk damaged your golf flag. Gimme a break! 🙄
Rich spoiled newbies ? Go live at the mall where everything is dead already.
Thats fucked up. Never hunt for anything more than your own meat. Period. They were here before us, as far as im concerned the humans can move.
At least they let the hunters keep the meat, but not having any kind of limit to the tags is pretty concerning.
That's in theory the state does stop at some point
One things for certain... ODFW will mismanage any and all things.
This is so wrong on so many levels. Shame on ODFW! Shame!
Oregon is upside down. You won’t have to search hard to see how the state is working overtime to shut down small, even micro farmers because a handful of chickens ‘might’ contaminate groundwater while, at the same time, they’re encouraging wholesale slaughter of elk because they might eat the horse feed off a coastal ranch. I stand with the chicken farmers and the legitimate elk hunters.
So what about the sea lions
Terrible taste
GET OFF THEIR LAND
People would rather kill innocent animals that put up a decent fence. Disgusting
Elk can be brutal regardless of fences. Recreational outrage.
Yep. Imagine grizzly country. Same excuse. Or wolf's.
80 tags for one property owner is not a “deterrent”. …if this is meant as behavior modification, it’s not working. No cap on the number killed is obvious corruption and profiteering.
This is sad.
Too many tags. Sad for the Elk..one thing to hunt for meat.
not too many tags, have you been in the area? Elk populations are the some of the densest in the state.
Did you watch the video, they literally took the meat and donated it to families in need or the hunters took it back to their own families…
I was shocked that there are so many killer sickos.
Can we get tweaker tags?
😢😢 Noooo! Don't kill them . Please...
Make stronger fences.
I wish the reporting would have asked ODFW about relocation. There are areas in the island Coast Range that could easily support these herds. Tags just because they are a nuisance feels like a lazy way for ODFW to address the concerns.
Doesn't seem like a safe place to shoot. Elk don't really belong in the mountains. They were pushed up there by over hunting all the way back in the beginning. Elk should be able to move through the coastal area and should really be in the Willamette Valley. We are trying to restore wolves maybe we should restore the elk back to their original ranges. Lewis and Clark nearly starved to death in the mountains because there were a lack of game animals. The elk want to be in the valleys where the food is at.
The PNW is seeing too many impacts of animal population elimination, and its states are far more conservative in animal protection than most. I suspect eliminating the elk and removing their footprint through the valleys and coast will ultimately cause erosion impact and explosion of another animal population that will be more of a nuisance to humans than the elk ever were. IDK why Americans want to bring their suburban living to places where it causes problems for both the environment and humans, like increased allergies and depletion of water. Make it make sense.
Really, just how stupid are you?
Not an excuse
I feel both sides have valid points. If I was farming, I wouldn't like Elk destroying my crops. The problem is the large number of Elk in a populated area.
It’s called build a fence around your crops the vineyards do it in California to keep the deer out
The populated area is the problem.
Very sad and cold-hearted 😨
Someone crying about their horse feed being eaten by wild elk is extremely selfish.
Always has to be someone complaining. The elk are on private property doing the damage, its very common practice for landowners/farmers/ranchers etc to get tags issued for this from ODFW. Maybe the Californians living in the million dollar beach homes need to go back to where they came from if they dont like it.
If you own property, that’s part of the deal. Things get damaged and you have to pay for it. We shouldn’t kill innocent animals because humans don’t like fixing fences. 🤦♂️ that fishing an wildlife rep needs to be fired.
Exactly, farmers don't get the u. S. To be their own personal security !!! You don't have more rights than nature just because you own property!!!
@@alllifematterssounds like something a communist would say. They're asking the government permission to defend their assets.
You want to pay higher taxes to help me pay for it? Although I think this was heavy-handed, it's not like they're killing animals and just wasting their carcasses.
@@allouttabubblegum1984 property owners don’t get to push the cost onto the taxpayers payers, just like I don’t get to push the cost onto the taxpayers if my furnace or water heater brakes. These animals were a nuisance at best, not a reason to kill wildlife.
@@allouttabubblegum1984 The killing of native animals greatly impacts the environment and the populations of other wild animals. This is why several states are reintroducing native animals that were eliminated for being a nuisance. The bottom line is, if people do not want wild animals on their land, they need to live in the city. This clearly indicates their lack of concern for the environment, which points to a larger issue of depleting resources in the area.
The Gearhart Elk population was well in excess of 200 hundred before this process started. The Elk herd would cause shut downs at the local airport in Seaside, they caused vehicle collisions on the Highway (either by entering the roadway and being struck or distracting drivers) which is all in addition to the above mentioned damage to private property. It's important to note, property damage by this herd was not exclusive to the Surf Pines neighborhood. To say the ODFW Biologist needs to be fired for getting an uncontrolled elk population down to a manageable level is asinine especially since it did successfully push them east of Highway 101 and out of more populated areas. This program worked as designed and to frame it differently is disingenuous.
You just want to shoot animals to feel tough. Big man.
I think that people are taking issue with how this program was designed, and how it was executed.
There is rarely only one way to accomplish a goal.
I'm chairman of the airport committee. Seaside airport has never been shut down on account of elk.
You're a liar. Typical Trump trash. Why are you people so disgusting? If your argument stands on its own there should be no need to lie.
@@jarethgarhow does it feel to have Trump live in your head rent free?
This is so sad. What a tragedy.
This was a bit heavy-handed and concerning, however, there has to be a balance with population control.
Yes - control the humans.
Usually the state pays hundreds of thousands of dollars (taxpayer money) to have so called “professional hunters” come in to reduce herd populations, and the meat isn’t necessarily used for good. At least in this instance, avg hunters were allowed to harvest problem animals for their own freezers. Notice the story only interviewed the rich, retired never hunted in their life types, for the story? How about interviewing the farmers who requested help from the state? You know, show both sides of the story.
NO TRESPASSING SIGNS ..
Due to the cost of ammo there will be NO warning shots .
This goes on all over in oreg and wash. Everything else is locked up by weyco, or permit access to where they want you to hunt.
WTF?
There was no information and/or questions about the population size of elk in Clatsop County and in Oregon in general. There's a whole lot of elk out there, folks. Inform yourselves about basic wildlife management before you go off about how the people running ODFW don't know what they're doing. It's unfortunate that people who already live on the beach don't get to have their free zoo, but guess they'll just have to settle for enjoying the ocean everyday.
There's a whole lot of elk on the coast because they should be in the valleys where their natural predators live and there is a set hunting season in safe to hunt areas. Humans mess with nature too much when there was already a life cycle that kept animal populations in check.
maybe u should take a class on wildlife biology there slick, theres elk in both places because thats where they have always been and theres predators on the coast just the same as the valleys@@kespo5358
This is ridiculous! The odfw could have trapped them and moved them!...... John Volle
How about the people going somewhere else instead of the elk?
what animals and habitat did you displace living in whatever you live in?
Right, because you are absolved of displacing any animals or environment right?
Well I don’t know any person that would give up their land or livelihood so that elk, or any animal could have it. Just silly!
What’s wrong with people
I live here and I can tell you the babies move with the heard they don't sit and cry and those elk where killed over 3.5 years as well as most of them where shot on warehouser properties and one gentleman yard
Why don’t they relocate them
Hearing the ODF guy say there is no magic number for elk population made me very sad. I cant imagine our natural resources being ran by this guy. He doesn't seem passionate about nature, more defensive of the bureaucracy's actions.
How Awful 😢
Love how all the opposing landowners in the area are suddenly wildlife biologist experts. And no mention of problem elk chasing people , dogs and cars or damage caused by vehicle/ elk collisions. It is ODFW 's job to manage populations and they have been using damage tag programs for a long time before now.
Given how easy Oregons government went on the guy that poured bleach into a fish hatchery, this doesnt surprise me.
1. There are absolutely tons of elk on the Oregon coast. As in literally thousands of elk.
2. Damage tags are opportunities for hunters to harvest an elk and bring home lean organic meat for their family to eat.
3. Elk babies do not cry for their mom for four days after their mom is dead. That is ridiculous. If we managed elk herds so baby’s don’t loose their moms we would have zero predators on the landscape. Bears and cougars kill a lot of “mother” elk every single year. And even more baby elk within hours of them being born.
4. This is management and not waste! The elk are being utilized and there are lots of people who like to eat elk and don’t want to buy their meat from the store. This is a great opportunity for them to harvest an elk, get a lot of meat, and reduce numbers in an area of conflict. It’s literally the definition of a win win.
The comments on here crying about this are the same people who buy their steak from a store and have no problem with it because they don’t actually have to see any death. People who are against others harvesting their own organic, hormone free meat, are some of the most hypocritical people out there
Truth.
Remember you get what you vote for
There are ways to string fences so that they don't injure or get damaged by the wild animals trying to cross them.
They could have been relocated 😢 land and property being taken from wild life and public, from government
Oh man repeating history huh, so someone can make money from property. That's bullsh*t
its a pay to play scheme how much are these landowners making to do this ?
Charging for access to your property is not selling tags, misleding.
This is horrid
And Weise is from Seattle only here on and off none of the elk where shot were his property surf pines is Warrenton and he lives in Gearhart
It's bad enough these Elk are losing their grazing areas, but I thought hunters aren't supposed to shoot a Doe!? Especially when they have a fawn, what in the world... This is Crazy
But we know it's not the people that love animals... Is the people that love their property more than they love their wildlife of the state. I certainly hope they're not going to just turn the meat into the garbage that they use it to feed the homeless...
Oregon for Oregonians
Rich being rich…again.
I used to see them all the time around there, and haven't see them recently... I guess that explains it.
You want to let wolf packs control em ? Wanna bet they eat a kid or two in the process ? Yer on !😇
Sorry but I live in a state with a lot of wolves and thats never happened.
@@craignelson3243 I posit you need to look up the word "never".
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Elks are a natural way of controlling wild fires and are vital to the ecosystem if you want to control them introduce wolves and coyotes their natural predators. Most likely they may have ordered the coyotes and wolves culled too and soon will be complaining of Lyme disease.
or alternatively...looking at the antlers on the bulls they showed. a more likely scenario is they all had hood rot and they got exterminated to cover up for Weyerhaeuser.
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...oh...and to hell with golf courses
Only horrible hunters complain
Why don't you bring them to Wyoming or something
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70 tags doesn't mean 70 kills. I've hunted damage tags in this area for years and have been unsuccessful.
Oregon, again.
There is always pretext to kill animals!
The Kings deer.
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Gearhart has a huge oceanside park the elk basically live in. I used to live there it was magical. They jump so easily and so high in the air they never damaged fences. They glide through town like ghosts. They don't trample anything. They sleep on grass and in the park. I had a garden there and yeah elk ate from the garden but so did slugs, deer, rabbits and whatever else came around. Its sad to think they are gone. They were part of the draw to the place. The elk herd was on all the postcards for the place and everything. Elk get aggressive during rutting season but otherwise I never heard anyone complain about them ever. Very strange.
So?
Man playing God again... disgusting
Same ol shit
Oregon dept of fickle whiners
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Whats the point of this video? Feelings are the snowflakes problem, not governments.
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Gonna have to eat the rich..
All hunters know that elk can be pushed, so will they push or make excuses.
Selling tags and yet luring elk into town, then danage tages kills elk and many do not get to hunt in forest wgere animals should be, but now somebodys pet
A great sin against God. Karma is real. End of days Buddha
I know a shit ton of people who buy elk tags from these types of owners. Those owners and that ranger a lying through there teeth
I know a shit ton of elk who are robbing people! Since we are making up lies…
This is a horrible excuse to overkill and improper hunting ethics. You shouldn’t kill does with babies.
My Fence, Boo Hoo.
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There you go. That is your fish and game department and their ultimate wisdom brain trust.
WTF !
The animal that needs to be controlled is the human they thought there was too many buffalo too many passenger pigeons, but yet they’re trying to save some butterfly moth
They are pretty much an endangered species.
Insanity by fish ad wildlife
Maybe we should go somewhere else !
I hear there’s no animals on the moon, maybe that’s a good choice!