Idk about war thunder but in dcs all you do if you see a bandit put flaps down and use manual wing sweep in the f14 you just take it to the vertical and kill them when they have 0 speed and stall out
If played perfectly the Mirage should lose. Tomcat will stiff arm it into a 2 circle fight on the deck and out rate it till the Mirage has no energy left
Yea i feel like unless theyre in and out of dogfighting the mirage is just going to lose energy quicker while still getting outturned, granted pilots are about same skill level
@@yrkjrk2972 Outrating rarely works in RB as dogfights dont usually last long enough to get to that point. The M2K has great AoA and can beat the Tomcat in seconds. The tomcat might outrate the Mirage in sim but thats a whole another story.
@@yrkjrk2972 DCS M-2000C would like to know your location… if u get to the deck with no energy/ can’t gain in a 2 circle u probably should just get out of the mirage. Literally only fighter than gives it a good run for its money in my opinion is the hornet it’s just too good at forcing overshoots and capitalizing off others mistakes. But then again sad thunder flight models do be pretty butt so there’s also that.
Dogfights in WT with the F14 - God has entered the arena Dogfights in DCS with the F14 - Losing control - Damaged Gyro and electronics from over G’s - Damaged flaps/wings - Jester being an ass - Can’t see shit out the front
Ikr but that's because it's more realistic and jester being an ass is so true he keeps locking freindlys when I tell him lock hostile aircraft not only is he disobeying orders bit he ejects at his own free will
The mirage is good for 1-circle fight. Basically, Scissors. Put it in a 2 circle and even the Tornado is eventually going to win; and with patience, even the Mirage F1 Throttle control is also important to "sit behind".
Actually mirage 2k is one of the best 2 circle fighters in game, better than the f-14, worse than the f-16 and maybe j7e. I don't have the mig29 but should be similar, very capable on 1 or 2 circle
@HighRiskV nah a properly flown f14 would outrate the M2K pretty easily. They mirages almost always have to find a way into the 1 circle in order to not be outdated by F14s
@@sniperh2o325 in a low fuel state for both, if you dont manage to hit the mirage in the first 2 turns or so while using combat flaps, you are dead because the mirage will out energy the f14 easily and actually out rate it at any altitude. The lower the faster the mirage comes around in the circle
@HighRiskV if you're running out of energy in a F14 your flying out wrong m8. Flown correctly I'm never in a low energy state, especially when it comes to fighting a mirage that WANTS to get you slow. In a low fuel state ESPECIALLY the F14 is difficult to get slow unless your an idiot that has no idea how to fly but pulling back on the stick 100% of the time
That mirage made some serious mistakes. He should've won that fight if he played his cards correctly. And based of how that mirage was turning, I also feel he may be in a stock position at the time, a spaded mirage should've pulled around faster around those slower speeds. Also, in the F14 always use your combat flaps, they won't ever overspeed and they turn the F14 into another kind of animal in any fight you want it to do
@@RUclipsIsSeriouslyMessedUp not a perfect one circle fighter, but its a well bred one. very few aircrafts would want to challenge a mirage to a one circle engagement. most with opt for a 2 circle as the mirage isnt as capable two circle as one circle. ordinarily the mirage would club a F14 one circle, but the mirage opted in for the one circle way to late and just gave the F14 a easy shot. also DCS is a pretty damn good representation to whats publicly known about these aircrafts. theyre just about a step down from flying the actual thing to what i know. so id say DCS is an alright source as long as you understand it isnt gonna be perfectand modules will take a few libertys with known data.
Only American pilots will try to turnfight literally everything. There’s a reason why you almost never see America vs Japanese only maps anymore as well as why all battles are always mixed anymore: American pilots.
Went defensive trying to jink and get away from an F-14 in my MiG-29. Suffice to say that shit went south the moment I got slow. That F-14 is mad dangerous in head ons and in dogfighting.
This french player is just so bad, but Mirage 2000 (not 2 thousand, DEUX MILLE, you should ponounce it correctly) is a damn gold aircraft. Mirage 2000 >>>>>>>>>> F-14 Tomcat
I was in my Mig-23MLD vs a tomcat We were the last players remaining. Nobody died, we circled for 12min strait until time run out I lost due to tickets btw
Well, as far as i’ve tested, with the mirage 2000. A skilled player in the mirage beats any top tier jet in a 1v1 even the tomcat. Hell even the mig29 gives the tomcat a run for its money, the f16 beats the tomcats easily and the mirage also. Mind you, my buddy and i have 50.000 games in rb combined, and we did a dogfight test when the apex update launched. The mirage is still the best, close second is the f16
I have over 1000 hours on the ja37, i have mastered the art of delta wing aircraft to now where i can out turn, out rate and win dogfights against mig29s, f16s and easily against f14s.
It is LAUGHABLE to think an F14 could beat a Mirage 2000C on equal terms in a dogfight. A big, heavy, lumbering lump vs the agility of the 2000? The F14 was not built to dogfight and it shows.
The mirage could have won this 2 circle but staying in the circle because as soon as he broke it the F/14 was nose on he over shot first time so he should have been watching your nose wait till you get nose on and bank hard high left and he might be able to get 1 nose on on the F/14
Please when making a video about a vehicle, show the vehicle against a competent player. This mirage had no idea what he was doing and flew in front of you twice.
dunno man, I had easy time killing the f-14 with full wings out on mig 23mf. Maybe he was flying worse than me but he had the speed and surprise attack. I think I got a video of it if anyone wants.
@@collander7766 every time I merge with one. Within 3 turns I have bled so much speed that I can hit him with a RADAR missile from within the turn circle And that’s in the arguably WORSE f1c, not 2000D
I got out turned in my f-5 by a tomcat. I was sad that day.
Dude the f14 can rate the shit out of most jets if u drop flaps and keyboard fly
F14 outurns f5s all the time unless ur using flaps not a surprise
Idk about war thunder but in dcs all you do if you see a bandit put flaps down and use manual wing sweep in the f14 you just take it to the vertical and kill them when they have 0 speed and stall out
@@archa1914war thunder is not even close to reality, dcs is
Normal,... F-5 is not capable of following
Why this dude sound like NileRed
Tru💀
Lmaoo he does💀
Gamer NileRed💀
He does no way
Was gonna say😂😂😂
If played perfect the Mirage will win, this was a example of what not to do in a dogfight.
If played perfectly the Mirage should lose. Tomcat will stiff arm it into a 2 circle fight on the deck and out rate it till the Mirage has no energy left
Yea i feel like unless theyre in and out of dogfighting the mirage is just going to lose energy quicker while still getting outturned, granted pilots are about same skill level
@@yrkjrk2972 Outrating rarely works in RB as dogfights dont usually last long enough to get to that point. The M2K has great AoA and can beat the Tomcat in seconds. The tomcat might outrate the Mirage in sim but thats a whole another story.
If played perfect they both die from fuel loss. Both are phenomenal dogfighters.
@@yrkjrk2972 DCS M-2000C would like to know your location… if u get to the deck with no energy/ can’t gain in a 2 circle u probably should just get out of the mirage. Literally only fighter than gives it a good run for its money in my opinion is the hornet it’s just too good at forcing overshoots and capitalizing off others mistakes. But then again sad thunder flight models do be pretty butt so there’s also that.
Dogfights in WT with the F14
- God has entered the arena
Dogfights in DCS with the F14
- Losing control
- Damaged Gyro and electronics from over G’s
- Damaged flaps/wings
- Jester being an ass
- Can’t see shit out the front
Ikr but that's because it's more realistic and jester being an ass is so true he keeps locking freindlys when I tell him lock hostile aircraft not only is he disobeying orders bit he ejects at his own free will
Bro flew straight for so long you got his 6 for free
The mirage is good for 1-circle fight. Basically, Scissors. Put it in a 2 circle and even the Tornado is eventually going to win; and with patience, even the Mirage F1
Throttle control is also important to "sit behind".
clearly youve never tried to 2 circle in a m2k
Actually mirage 2k is one of the best 2 circle fighters in game, better than the f-14, worse than the f-16 and maybe j7e. I don't have the mig29 but should be similar, very capable on 1 or 2 circle
@HighRiskV nah a properly flown f14 would outrate the M2K pretty easily. They mirages almost always have to find a way into the 1 circle in order to not be outdated by F14s
@@sniperh2o325 in a low fuel state for both, if you dont manage to hit the mirage in the first 2 turns or so while using combat flaps, you are dead because the mirage will out energy the f14 easily and actually out rate it at any altitude. The lower the faster the mirage comes around in the circle
@HighRiskV if you're running out of energy in a F14 your flying out wrong m8. Flown correctly I'm never in a low energy state, especially when it comes to fighting a mirage that WANTS to get you slow. In a low fuel state ESPECIALLY the F14 is difficult to get slow unless your an idiot that has no idea how to fly but pulling back on the stick 100% of the time
That mirage made some serious mistakes. He should've won that fight if he played his cards correctly. And based of how that mirage was turning, I also feel he may be in a stock position at the time, a spaded mirage should've pulled around faster around those slower speeds. Also, in the F14 always use your combat flaps, they won't ever overspeed and they turn the F14 into another kind of animal in any fight you want it to do
And isn't the mirage a perfect One or Two circle dogfighter? Or am I just a moron getting info from DCS
@@RUclipsIsSeriouslyMessedUp not a perfect one circle fighter, but its a well bred one. very few aircrafts would want to challenge a mirage to a one circle engagement. most with opt for a 2 circle as the mirage isnt as capable two circle as one circle. ordinarily the mirage would club a F14 one circle, but the mirage opted in for the one circle way to late and just gave the F14 a easy shot. also DCS is a pretty damn good representation to whats publicly known about these aircrafts. theyre just about a step down from flying the actual thing to what i know. so id say DCS is an alright source as long as you understand it isnt gonna be perfectand modules will take a few libertys with known data.
You sound like nilegreen
Dude fax
Nileorange
NileYellow
Nileblack
Only American pilots will try to turnfight literally everything. There’s a reason why you almost never see America vs Japanese only maps anymore as well as why all battles are always mixed anymore: American pilots.
The guy flew fine, he didn’t do anything wrong. What are you on about?
Didn't know Nile Red plays Warthunder
smartest french player:
why?
Agreed, why turning left and waste so much energy...
@@elcousteau3441 because he didnt even try to turn in the start
Bro tried the one circle but was too late to react
You know minor nations have globally the best players of the game. France include.
Hi fellow warthunder player
I love doing this in my Mig-23s too
This is generally why I’m combat the f-14’s sweep was opened and closed during travel
Now do it in DCS and the Mirage will slap every other aircraft in a dogfight
do you watch growling?
The tomcat will slap even harder in DCS.
@@H-cranky tomcat with the flaps down outrates F16 slaps haaard
@@Hushhush1217 yep. And he’s full of shit
@@HundredAb0ve ruclips.net/video/XWm0IKTSW-A/видео.html
It's really up to the pilot and how well they know their plane
Went defensive trying to jink and get away from an F-14 in my MiG-29. Suffice to say that shit went south the moment I got slow. That F-14 is mad dangerous in head ons and in dogfighting.
The M2K vs F-14 in dcs would be a walk in the park for the M2K 😂
Bro what was that M2K doing he just gave you his six and only then tried to do anything about it
You can beat things in a dog fight until the Canberra shows up, then that f14 is toast
>sitting inside and behind a guy
In dsc you would have jammed your flaps and possibly ripped a wing with manual wing sweep set to forward and going at full burner
“I can sit inside and behind someone”
…
wow this performance of the video did goof
Dude, if they remake the tomcat with vectored thrusters it would be super op
That mirage almost crashed the ground by avoiding u lol
until you get an actually smart person who just zooms away and turns back once youre out of range because you couldnt pick up speed as fast as them
Fox 1 - exists
A good Mirage pilot tends to beat F-14s pretty easily. Especially one that knows how to use full real. It’s kinda crazy that it’s only 11.3
Afterburners with wings deplored hurts me to my core
Why? In a dog fight you want to turn your fuel into energy as fast as you can...
@@officernasty1111 more speed increases turn radius = i.e. larger turns.
@@Huntress_Hannah it’s about maintaining speed not gaining it. In a ratefight you want to keep up a constant turn rate, which includes speed
I want it so bad but unfortunately only having the A10A early makes it incredibly difficult to get that far down in so little time :(
This french player is just so bad, but Mirage 2000 (not 2 thousand, DEUX MILLE, you should ponounce it correctly) is a damn gold aircraft.
Mirage 2000 >>>>>>>>>> F-14 Tomcat
Lol no
@@nolankahler6705 lol yes mirage > f14
@@alexandrecormier1019 neither in War Thunder nor real life lmao.
@@nolankahler6705 false.
@@mehdi.m3983 not at all
he sounds like and is the nile red of war thunder
I was in my Mig-23MLD vs a tomcat
We were the last players remaining. Nobody died, we circled for 12min strait until time run out
I lost due to tickets btw
He just turned into ur gun
Bro reversed the turn and literally gave you the kill. 😅
YEAH I try it with my bomber... Now I'm Wingless
Don’t forget differential thrust
Mirage way better at a dog fight
Tips to grind at level 7 and at rank2 and up in aviation?
Tomcat is literally a god plane in wt... The only late tier jet that isn't limited in g for turns
how does man see his crosshair
Is not the Jet, is the pilot
Didn’t know NileRed played War Thunder
Can F-14 Dodge fight again Su-27 or Su-30?
If you can fight a competent mirage player, that would be fun...
Well, as far as i’ve tested, with the mirage 2000. A skilled player in the mirage beats any top tier jet in a 1v1 even the tomcat. Hell even the mig29 gives the tomcat a run for its money, the f16 beats the tomcats easily and the mirage also. Mind you, my buddy and i have 50.000 games in rb combined, and we did a dogfight test when the apex update launched. The mirage is still the best, close second is the f16
I think the MIG-23 is better, I don’t know how others do, but I’ve never been destroyed by a tomcat in a dogfight
*laughs in trained falcon pilot*
Nile red but a airplane enthusiast
French army want to know your location
I have over 1000 hours on the ja37, i have mastered the art of delta wing aircraft to now where i can out turn, out rate and win dogfights against mig29s, f16s and easily against f14s.
Never fought a J7E in a tomcat obviously…
It is LAUGHABLE to think an F14 could beat a Mirage 2000C on equal terms in a dogfight. A big, heavy, lumbering lump vs the agility of the 2000? The F14 was not built to dogfight and it shows.
Me still at 4.7:
NileRed, stop playing War thunder.
You dropped the bromine and it’s leaking out into my living room.
You can even win in a p52 against f22 in a simulator
But I just generate so much lift 😩
I defeated an f14 with my mig21 gun💀💀
im more focused on how you turned off your crosshair
@@perennialE what crosshair do you use
You both came in merge at low speed, the mirage had no chance after the first turn
Is this nilered's gaming channel?
Why it needs to go up to 12.0 with the rest of em
Why does this guy sound like Nile red
Dude I must just be a very good pilot I can literally out dogfight anything in my 21bis
NileRed plays WarThunder
Nile? Tf u doing here
Skill issue from the mirage fr
Now try it in DCS
And here I was rooting for the 2000 and I am disappointed now back to my flaky bread crescent in the beautiful city of tower town
Tamkot vs. taco jet
that mirage 2000 should never lose that. thats just bad mirage pilot dawg
Dude you kinda sound like bluedrake43 you know?
My MiG-29 says different
two thircle🤓 failed reverse, two thircle🤓
What if the F-14 went up against the British Tornato there similar Fighters in design so who would win a 1v1?
@@perennialE so the Tornado is A cheep knock off of the F-14?
@@perennialE Damn. Oh well at least I have the premium F-4 Phantom, and the Sea Harrier.
@@jacobbeckley5292 tornado is a strike aircraft, not a fighter.
@@TriggerVR657 so I heard, but I still use the A-10 thunderbolt ll like a F-14 tomcat.
@@jacobbeckley5292 that would require you to have speed + phoenixes
Yea mate....you do know the the Mirage 2000 was 1 of thefew Western aircraft to actually get Mig 15 and Mig 21 kills right?
💪🇨🇵👍
just pull up in the j7e lol
☝️🤓 oh boy!
This is NileRed's gaming channel
Meanwhile in dcs f14 is mirages bitch in a 1v1
The mirage could have won this 2 circle but staying in the circle because as soon as he broke it the F/14 was nose on he over shot first time so he should have been watching your nose wait till you get nose on and bank hard high left and he might be able to get 1 nose on on the F/14
Laughs in kfir c7
in dcs u will break the wings
NileRed sounding dide
Please when making a video about a vehicle, show the vehicle against a competent player. This mirage had no idea what he was doing and flew in front of you twice.
Wasting life on a video game.
@@perennialE I play video games as much as I can lol
Show me some of that pilot shit
NileRed??
Too bad jet combat in war thunder is the most unbalanced mess possible to play and 1v1’s are once in every 10 matches
bro is nileorange
dunno man, I had easy time killing the f-14 with full wings out on mig 23mf. Maybe he was flying worse than me but he had the speed and surprise attack. I think I got a video of it if anyone wants.
Definitely a bad pilot, as most Tomcats are
Why does this guy sound like dollar store nilered
Mirage 2000c is à bomber
i love mirage 2000
I need to dogfight you lol
I’m batting 1000 on merge fighting a tomcat in my mirage f1c
BVR… I cry every time
Mirage F1 will never beat a Tomcat at anything
@@collander7766 you must not have either plane
@@collander7766 every time I merge with one. Within 3 turns I have bled so much speed that I can hit him with a RADAR missile from within the turn circle
And that’s in the arguably WORSE f1c, not 2000D
BVR fighting, I’ll lose 9/10 times
My flares/chaff cannot confuse f14 radar or fox1s, and my fox3 ranges is WELL inside the MAR
I can’t tell if u are nile red
man gotta play dcs, then you can actually enjoy your games
IM NOT HIGH
WHY YOU SOUND LIKE NILERED?!
PerrenialE>ThunderKills
bro sounds like 🤓