Either Giles Corey or Deathconsciousness are even crazier than this (somehow) both are insane, the guy who made giles corey like mentally tortured himself making it I'm pretty sure 💀
Aging is weird. Trent was a hero for me as a teen, but as I got older I realized he was actually just a weak edge lord that put some dumb ideas in my head. Some NiN songs were great, but if I'm honest it was more about feeling like a rebel than it was about loving the songs. In retrospect, a lot of their music sucks. The remix albums are objectively garbage. Nostalgia is a strong drug.
@@BmetalfulI agree. Same with Korn... I'm totally confused as to why I enjoyed them so much as a teen. But that answers my own question; I was a teenager and a complete moron. I still consider Trent Reznor's musicianship to be good, particularly on here. However compared to other bands in the genre, like Skinny Puppy, his songs seem comparatively shallow and formulaic. It's like 'Pop-Industrial' all manufactured angst.
@@Bmetalful That's just like... your opinion man. I got into NIN in my 20s. Saw the Downward Spiral tour in 94. I'm 50 now, and still love NIN. That's just like... my opinion man.
The downward spiral is about a person who discards every aspect of his life. His inability to relate to others, to personal relationships, religion, fear of disease. Trent said he wanted to address not just anger but tension. He did it perfectly…
The other one he won an Oscar for is the most groundbreaking film score of the 21st Century. When I was 12 and was turned on to Pretty Hate Machine in 1991 I could have never envisioned what Reznor was going to do in his career. The Fragile is still my favorite NIN album.
@@Stankman_Crudders Reznor composed the soundtrack to the video game Quake right after Downward Spiral and produced David Lynch’s Lost Highway soundtrack as well.
@@cactaceous @Stankman_Crudders He also started working on the score for the Mark Romanek movie called "One Hour Photo" (which is a very good movie, btw), but his music was not used in the end, can't remember why right now, and parts of that music were released in the Still EP, maybe in a reworked way. But besides some stuff he did here and there producing soundtracks for movies like NBK or LH, or besides the Quake stuff, he didn't really have a serious career as a movie music composer until The Social Network, and Fincher had to insist like a lot until he accepted the job.
Some trivia: - Some of The Downward Spiral was recorded where the Manson murders took place. - That sample at the beginning of Mr Self Destruct is from the film THX 1138, the directorial debut of George Lucas and the namesake for the company THX. - The weird sound at the end of Mr Self Destruct is a guitar played by Adrian Belew of King Crimson, which was processed so heavily it became... that. - The drums at the end of Piggy were played by Reznor and were intended to be filler (a stand-in for a proper drum track) but he liked how they sounded, so they stayed. - There is a recurring motif on the album that can be heard on Piggy, Heresy, Closer, and the title track. - March of the Pigs has a weird but cool time signature, with three bars of 7/8 and one of 4/4. The chord progression in the calmer bridge is borrowed from an older song called Wish off of the EP Broken. - The kick on Closer is sampled from the Iggy Pop song Nightclubbing. Starting in the second verse, there's a subtle 808 bassdrum that adds rhythm to the steady four-on-the-floor kick pattern. It is not supposed to be a sexy song. The song is about the protagonist coping with intense self-loathing through sex. - The Becoming is in a combination of 7/4 and 6/4, with the "Annie" section being solely in 6/4. The opening samples a scene from the 1989 film Robot Jox. - Big Man With A Gun was written as a parody of gangta rap of the late 80s and early 90s. Ironically, some complained about the song, assuming it WAS a gangsta rap track, which is funny. - A Warm Place is the only track to be in a "typical" key, being D minor. The rest of the album heavily utilizes dissonant intervals like tritones and minor seconds, as well as interchanging minor and major thirds. - The "eraser" sound effect at the opening of Eraser was made by blowing into a detached sax reed. The song is in 6/4, but switches to 4/4. - Reptile samples a sound effect from the 1989 film Leviathan. I have been caught off guard SEVERAL times by the sudden jump in volume at the beginning. - The title track samples ambient sounds from the 1979 film Alien. It marks the final appearance of the Spiral motif, as well as the album's protagonist (if you interpret the song as depicting a successful suicide attempt). - The noise on Hurt is mostly present in the left stereo channel, almost as if the hearing in that ear was damaged by, say, a really loud sound. The song was famously covered by Johnny Cash.
Awesome. I'm lazy and didn't read all of your interesting comment. Most people don't realise that the 'Pig' references are also about the Manson murders as 'Pigs' was left written in blood on the wall or door or something.
Still blows me away that after ALL of that, including big man with a gun, one song was left off, Just Do It, because Flood felt it went too far. It's the only "b-side" of nin's career to never surface even as a demo, which leads us to believe it was never recorded, or perhaps ever written at all. The warped voice at the begining of Big man with a gun is credited as "steakhouse" by Tommy Lee (of motley Crue) and is just a moaning woman from a porno being massively distorted. Also, the "he-help" part in Reptile was from "The Texas Chainsaw Massacre." Touring bassist/guitarist Danny Lonher had the job of pulling samples from movies, and was literally paid to sit and watch movies endlessly. I think there are a lot of cool rumors from the making of this record, like the house being haunted and contributing to the fucked up sound of everything. There use to be all sorts of crazy stories spread out on 90s fan sites. In the end, I think Trent knew exactly what house he rented, and knew it would add to the entire vibe and atmosphere of the record. Hindsight, he realized that was pretty fucked up. But no one has the balls to do that today. Everything has become a bit too sterile and watered down, for better and worse. Sorry, one last thing, but my personal interpretation: I always believed the protagonist Iggy, managed to kill off Mr self destruct, or so he thought... Which sets up the continuation on The Fragile. Trent says they aren't really related...but with songs like Somewhat Damaged, The Day the would went away, The Wretched, The Big Come Down, and Underneath it all have slight hints at themes from TDS. All I do, I can still feel you, you remain, I am stained Oh I just remembered, if you translate the lyrics to La Mer from French, the last line is "nothing can stop me now", a prevalent phrase throughout The Downward Spiral.
Oh damn. I’ve been listening to this album for 30 years - I thought I knew everything about it. But the noise in hurt in one channel being from a ‘loud noise’ I.e. - the gunshot in TDS - that’s the first time I ever realised that. This album is so layered!
wait the hurt one is actually fucking genius because if you interpret it as him offing himself with a bullet wound to the head it’s like the missing side
@@hunterking8807 Pretty easy to see why if you don't know though. Given Johnny Cash's catalogue is way older the natural assumption would be that NIN covered it (assuming you don't know anything about Johnny Cash either)
@@Stu-Bono, hunterking is right. not knowing everything about everything (filming a first-reaction video no less) just bc you happen to know one thing about something no one really needs to care or know about in the first place is wayyy more annoying than someone calling it out like a violation of physics before thanking that same person for keeping the entire universe in order, hero that they are.
Trent Reznor and Atticus Ross have written the scores for 27 films and have won 2 Oscars for Best Original Score for the movies "The Social Network" in 2010 and "Soul" in 2020. They also won The Emmy for Outstanding Music Composition for a Limited Series or Movie for the score for "The Watchmen". Trent also has 4 Grammys and Atticus has 2. There has been talk of making "Soul" a musical potentially giving them an opportunity to win a Tony Award and complete the EGOT (Emmy, Grammy, Oscar, Tony) cycle which has only been done 19 times before. I know this album seems like total chaos (and it is) but these are some serious and in-demand artists and surprisingly down to earth. Thank you for reacting to my favorite band...
You guys got a great channel, but I wanted to address that just because someone is interested in the darker side of life doesn’t mean they’re bad or evil. Trent was a really dark dude but he’s a good dude. Don’t let something being dark automatically make it bad/evil. Charles Manson who was mentioned in this video was a fan of The Beach Boys and The Beatles, you just never know someone’s true moral compass.
The song Closer is NOT about sex. It's about self-loathing and an obsession with sexuality. All the lyrics are about the protagonist, not about the object of his lust. The song was a midnight anthem at a local rock club for a decade, but it might be one of the most misinterpreted song ever released.
@@puckeater1my guy generations have so many people in them, and it’s not simple enough to claim an ENTIRE generation of people is dumb. People before your generation was saying the same thing about your generation, and everyone in your generation was saying the same thing about their generation, and every generation is bad except for peoples own generation. The social construct of the world that we’ve had for years teaches us that every single person who lives outside of our own groups (whether it be generations, political spectrums, etc.) is wrong, and we’re always right from an inside perspective. Wide spread ego death would absolutely grace this world sm, and it sucks that we’ll probably never reach that point
Watching the guy on the left squirm and feel uncomfortable is great, and the only thing he can do is call the guy crazy for being artistic. Appears very close minded. Guy on the right is super cool and completely open minded. Trent Reznor is one of the most creative geniuses of our lifetime. Again like you mentioned, it's a concept album.
@leoseguin5761 if you can't see how incapable he is at approaching the album I don't know what to tell you. He pulled out his cross neckless. Not to hate, I know art like this is difficult when it's in your face, but my dude kept talking about Dahmer etc.
@ouhutra I wouldn't say he's incapable of approaching the music. I was getting the impression, by how he zoned out at times, that the music was starting to dig deep and rip open some scabs. Like it was hitting a little too close to home in some respects.
You shouldn’t presume everyone will come to the same conclusion as you. Art like this is dependent on the times, the context that the people who experience come from
I’ve been scrolling through their videos today, and yes, there’s some disappointing naivety here. Swearing, referring to women as vaginas, and talking about Asian women giving them happy ending massages, but then giggling about and offended by NIN. Hopefully this process opens their eyes.
Dude in red was so triggered after Heresy 😂 Song is so true though. Stop killing people in the name of God Reznor is pretty well adjusted in fact. Guy is a Grammy award winner and movie score specialist. Downward Spiral is a magnificent work of art. Glad you enjoyed it!
Grabs his cross for one song, then talks about pushing a girl’s head into the pillow while banging her then has the nerve to say Trent “ Needs to find fucking Jesus”? Really? 😂😂😂
It's weird to see these guys be kind of immature listening to this album while 11 year old me in '94 was intrigued and opened my mind to this type of music . To each their own I guess. Haha
I think a lot of it is nervousness. You laugh off provocative and revealing stuff like this. It's as they said. They might talk like this all the time, but they would never put it to music. It's disarming. One of the reactions a person can have is just to laugh it off, because you are actually uncomfortable with it. And when there are 2 people, you play off each other - "Can you believe this crazy stuff?" "No, that guy is crazy." But he is actually a lot like you and is saying things you've thought about at one point or another, but wouldn't admit. I think if they went back to it alone and listened again, they might have a more introspective reaction.
If you pay attention to the current culture, sacrilegious music is really out of fashion. It made more sense in the 90’s as a form of commentary on free speech and the dominant Christian morality of the time but the script since the mid 10’s has flipped. In some other videos they’ve also hinted towards their views and it falls in line with that trend imo. If I were to introduce NIN to someone in their age range, I would definitely give that context as I am just old enough to witness that paradigm shift.
@@nicocaffarilla8556 I think it started even earlier than that with the arrival of Brittney, Christina, Nsync, and the Backstreet Boys. Grunge started fading by the late 90s and a lot of the bands that were popular started transforming into something else or became stale. NIN started to change with the next album as well, though they stayed pretty true to the vision throughout. Indie rock became more of a thing. Rap metal became the next fad. Not everything became wholesome, but in the 2000s experimentation became more of a thing. That was more of the rebellion rather than shocking lyrics, angst, and just heavy music.
and first Quake in '96, original CD had the music on game's CD as tracks playing with that industrial music was scary af ruclips.net/video/5n8iU7abqkQ/видео.html
Trent Reznor said he wrote Heresy partially in response to conservative Christians who in the 90's were extremely homophobic about the HIV/AIDS epidemic saying that gay people deserved it and that it was God punishing them for their "sin". In an interview, he said, "What gets me mad is the way the right wing has used the ‘convenience’ of this epidemic in helping to promote their own agenda.”
Oh yeah dude, and to be clear, it wasn't just Christian citizens, or Christian leaders. It went alllllll the way to the top. Politicians, representatives, senators, GOVERNORS, you name it. They were all happy to let the seeds of civil descent sow as the public blames each other, all they while, they sit back and ignore the problem so that the gay community would just die out. That was genuinely one of the most horrific and unethical periods of modern history, and nobody talks about it.
yeah that's not an excuse though, and trent didn't make excuses for it either. it's a statement that he owns, whether he believes it now or views it differently as the years have passed, there's nothing wrong with that.
Trent was sooo sad during the 90s, suffering from extreme depression and addiction. He did a great job of showing how fucked up he felt with the music he made. Trent felt so hopeless. He's doing a lot better now. Sobered up, started living a healthy lifestyle, and has a beautiful family.
God this album is nuts but so great. “The Fragile” is Trent’s masterpiece in my opinion. It’s very long, but definitely worth a look. Both that and Downward Spiral are 10/10 for me. Great job guys!
hell yes!! A full listen through of the double album would be amazing. And they would get to see another aspect of Trent and maybe be less 'scared' of him haha
"The Fragile" is one of my favorite albums of all time... it was transformative for me as a teen. The way most fans talk about Downward Spiral is how I feel about The Fragile. Also, if you want a quicker video listen to all of The Broken. it's like 26 minutes long.
I go back in fourth between pretty hate machine and downward spiral as #1 and #2. I would say that the fragile is a great work, but in many ways with teeth is a more coherent singular album. They are kinda tied in my mind at 3.
I love your opposing reactions. It was the same back in the 90s. Half of us went 'oh shit, this is amazing', the other half went 'oh, shit' and felt uncomfortable.
No. Music is music, its not satanic. Satanism doesnt exist. If a song slaps it slaps so yes we will listen to it, you dont have to be fucked up to enjoy it
It’s pretty naive to say someone has to be crazy or fucked up to enjoy this music. What that tells me is that life has not broken you yet, and for that you are lucky. For millions of the rest of us, this music is a catharsis that makes us feel less alone and empty. Trent isn’t a psychopath. He deeply feels things and the music is the outlet. Taking the lyrics at face value is a huge mistake. There is deeper meaning behind everything you claimed “was fucked up and a murderer must listen to this.” I implore you to think beyond your own narrow horizons.
@@michellenewman5121 1. who are you to judge who is "worthy" to listen to a piece of music? imagine gatekeeping music 2. the downward spiral is clearly an extremely obsecure and extremely aquired taste album, it is while, an album i consider to be a masterpiece, and one that i hold so close to my heart, i would also conversely understand if someone didn't feel this album, it is extremely dark, extremely gritty, for me this is theraputic and production wise it perfectly encompassed the feeling of depression to me. but, for a lot people, they don't want to feel this way, negative music for me is theraputic, but you are not everyone, i am not everyone. stop thinking that you are some divine being that decides who is "allowed" to listen to your precious album.
You guys missed the who;e point of Closer. It's about a man whose final, last resort against the encroaching darkness is sex, and his addiction to it. The whole album is about self destruction. It's as sexy as hell, but unhealthy as fuck
It is amazing. Annoying and amazing, the complete misunderstanding of this song.." *I wanna fuck you* hahaha he said dirty words". We live with philistines my man... it makes me sad.
It's a desperate plea for salvation.. sex is the only thing that's left. I can't relate anymore to anything but flesh.. but no: "LOL fuck you like an animal! Lolol". People disappoint me.
1. The album is cathartic. Actually helps people cope with anger and depression. 2. None of these sings are about what you think they're about. It's very metaphorical. 3. NIN wrote Hurt. Cash covered it as the last song he ever recorded. Also, in an interview, Reznor says he didn't know it was the Tate house until after recording was underway.😊
Most of these songs are sung from the perspective of the drugs like heroin that had a hold on Trent, depression and the downward spiral one can take. I love you guys but this whole album went over your heads lol
@@lucastaylor0 Yeah, a poor choice of wording. I meant only that the songs often refer to heroine addiction and the things associated with it. Not really sung from the drug’s perspective but there are certainly elements of that as well.
Heroin isn’t Trent’s drug of choice. In fact,he mistaken heroin for cocaine and was sent to the hospital due to overdosing.this was his step to sobriety altogether.
This makes me laugh so much. NIN was my first concert even I was 13 in 1994. Marilyn Manson opened for them. I know every word to every song in this album to this day and I’m 44 years old. But y’all are cute. It’s funny.
Met Trent met a lot of bands it’s not a clout thing I was just a kid and liked the bands before they got popular so I had a lot of opportunities due to that. And parents that let me do whatever I wanted. The bands were all nice no one was ever trying to be creepy they treated me kindly but treated me like a kid because I was. No weird stuff.
They were actual drums played by Trent on Piggy. They were originally recorded as microphone test drums, but he thought they sounded cool and put them in the song
This is the album that stopped 14, 15, 16 and 18 year old me from un-aliving myself back in the 90's. It's every kind of pain you can go through as a depressed, neurodiverse, traumatized, substance-addicted person in musical form and hearing it in music from another person's perspective helped take the edge off in such a huge way.
Trent DIDN'T intentionally buy/rent the murder house. It just had all the room for the equipment and a guest house for what was needed. The other thing you guys need to learn is that everytime when people say fuck, its not always about sex. Sometimes it's referring to fucking someone over or betraying them.
10:30 Piggy is not a woman but is in fact ex-guitarist Richard Patrick (who Trent knew since high school), and yeah I guess he was pretty heart broken about it.
The downward spiral is a masterpiece. I was 14 when it came out. I’m totally normal and happy. I wasn’t at all an angsty teen. But I’m not afraid to explore the darker side of life. And NIN is as dark as it gets but it’s also beautiful. It’s art, and good art isn’t afraid to explore the dark side of our minds / bodies / souls As a musician it was hugely influential.
I think you guys need to look for the metaphors more. A lot of the stuff in here that you think is super dark is more about emotional pain. And Trent doesn't write songs about hating women... that I'm aware of. The pigs are the terrible people in the world that use others for their own wants and hurt the world... I think. Again, metaphorical. Not actual pigs.
(Amusingly, Trent Reznor does have a pretty fun, domestic life nowadays. It just took him 20+ years of screaming out his immense pain into the darkness in order to find his way there.)
The song Heresy is simply calling out everyone who uses their God as a reason/excuse to justify their hatred for anyone not like themselves or don’t adhere to their plan. Anti-Homosexual, anti-Semitic, the inquisitions, molestations, all are justified. Real talk we almost lost Trent three times around this album, 2 overdoses, and look up the story behind the song“Lamer”
The guy in the red jacket has no idea how much this album meant for us who grew up with it. That rage, the blood pumping experience, and the rawness. Is what we related to and till this day any true nin fan knows this
Cash's cover of "Hurt" was from a cover album he did shortly before he passed. The director of the iconic music video also directed the video for "Closer." That video and Cash's passing imbued it with a lot of cultural significance and caused it to overshadow the original. And yes, Trent has a wife and several kids. He and his wife have their own band called How to Destroy Angels, along with his music writing partner Atticus Ross. In addition to occasional NIN projects and collabs he also does film/television scores and ocassionally video game soundtracks. Most recently they did the score for the movie _Challengers,_ and Ross did the score for the show _Shogun._
Some Nine Inch Nails trivia for you. You mentioned how a warm place sounds like Call of Duty or something like that. Trent Reznor did the opening song for Black Ops II. This same guy did the soundtrack to a Pixar film called Soul. Reznor and Ross are geniuses.
Now I actually know what the saying means that “Disturb the comfortable, and comfort the disturbed”. Honestly didn’t like how they assumed he was automatically a crazy violent person without looking into his past or even the meaning of the songs 🫤
99% of what you identify as hatred towards women, which would be the truth nowadays, is actually self hatred..It really not about women.. which is something that really annoyed Reznor to no end..
There is no misogyny in there. It's almost a solipsitic album. A lot of women hater got a hold of some of the song. And they would've been stumped in the mosh pit in 94.
Guys a lot of stuff he says in the lyrics isn’t literal. For example “take the skin and peel it back” on march of the pigs isn’t meant to be taken literally lol. Or like big man with a gun, he’s mocking a specific type of person. This album is philosophical and metaphorical in a lot of ways, and you won’t completely understand it until you look at it in that perspective.
The nineties were a great time to be going through teen angst. We had the perfect soundtrack for our lives on the radio, in our cd players, and on Mtv.
i don’t mean this as a negative criticism at all, but it was kind of a treat watching such a naive take on this album. the struggling to comprehend it. it’s so different from supposed experts dissecting the music… this is just shock and awe. i love when an album hits me like that. if i had one criticism, like other’s have said, don’t take things literally. you mentioned horror movies, think about the album like one. it’s a horror album. and the imagery is open ended. avoid making easy assumptions about the lyrics, like how the target of trent’s aggression is always a woman, when are so many other awful options, like some random person plucked off the street, or even himself, with you playing the role of the aggressor in the lyrics. this album is messed up from every angle lol. also, the broken ep is craaaaazy! the downward spiral felt downright restrained after being primed by that ball of rage. there was nothing like it when it came out. i was unprepared.
Y’all seemed to miss a lot here homies - his world isn’t external here, it’s almost all internal // happy to actually flesh this out if you’re interested
So interesting to hear naive young guys listen to this album and give their two cents in the year of our lord 2024. This album has helped me feel less alone at my lowest. For anyone struggling with drug addiction, sexual trauma and violent thoughts, its a soothing masterpiece. If you can believe it
Thank you for recording this reaction video. =) - For those of us who have been in the Industrial scene 30+ years (and there's a LOT of us...) it's always great seeing people encounter the genre, especially when they have ZERO frame of reference. Industrial is very unlike mainstream genres of music, so when people discover it, they tend to have a strong visceral reaction (either for or against it.) - If it doesn't speak to you, that's cool; it doesn't have to be for everyone. If it DOES speak to you, there's a WEALTH of music waiting for you to discover it.
You were talking about who would listen to it, or when someone would want it. The feeling of not being alone, of having suppressed anger, fury, of feeling isolation and despair, all washed away through a sense of catharsis and acceptance, through feeling valid. This album saved so many people. Not feeling alone, having some place to let those feelings exist, to work through inner struggles and turmoil. All of that makes you feel crazy, makes you feel full of spite and rage, and here is a vehicle of someone else's design that let's you escape it, to see it as a passenger, to walk the darkness with a guide. The level of metaphor used seemed to escape the two of you, but I'm guessing as you become more introspective, it will make more sense. Come back in 5 years and listen again, see if anything has changed in your opinion. Good work sticking through the whole album. It seemed out of your comfort zone, but is a good way to break through and find even more depth. Best of luck boys.
When you have a bunch of people dumb as rocks, it is completely normal that they wouldn't understand it enough to realize that it was a spit in their face.
The first time I listened to this album it ruined my day lol. Now it's one of my favorite albums. Yes, murderers have listened to this album. The columbine shooters were big fans. They completely misunderstood it though. This album is a warning against the mindset of nihilism and self destruction that leads people to that place. It's a story. It's not promoting any of the things it discusses.
The song is about power and control, hence the reference to using his dick/gun to put things in their places. It's about the person using their power for toxic messed up isht.
From a more modern perspective I always thought it dealt with the violent/nihilistic tendencies of a man going through hardship. I ALWAYS related it to school shootings, how the shooter starts to think and how he “proves” himself to be dominant
3 things for yall: 1. This is not their masterpiece in my opinion, that title belongs to The Fragile, which you are now contractually obligated to listen to now. Demonic contract. 2. March Of The Pigs was infamous in old NIN shows as the "song that kills people". This song created the most hellish mosh pits to ever exist, which would give many, many people near-death experiences. 3. Trent Reznor and whoever was his keyboardist of the day were notorious for destroying equipment, there are countless videos of them curbstomping and smashing keyboards, which are also really fucking funny.
The amount of observations made in passing. Texas Chainsaw Massacre, the screams in The Becoming are sampled from that film. Trent has done MANY scores for films to great success, like his Oscar for the Social Network.. Pure genius. My favorite musician
I can still clearly remember the day my best friend and I drove up to a well known Record Store, with no real particular plan in mind. We walked around and had fun looking at all the different vinyl and merch. But it was this album that caught our eye. I am sure we bought a couple things while there, but my buddy definitely bought this CD. We opened it as soon as we got into the car....and from the moment Mr. Self Destruct erupted through my car speakers, it was all over. We listened to every track in that first sitting, on the way home and then sitting in my driveway just blown away by the entirely and enormity of this album. Will live on forever as one of the GOATS in contemporary Music. Many years later I was lucky enough to be able to attend Soundgarden opening for NIN. It was truly a life affirming experience. Very much looking forward to watching your review!!
On a very dark note, you guys mentioned how “a murderer must have listened to this music”… Trent and Nine Inch Nails (in addition to other artists) got a lot of backlash from the media because one of the Columbine school shooters was a fan of the group. “Big Man with a Gun” specifically
They were making industrial music back in the 70’s - bands would use machinery, tape loops run through machines, power tools, weird synth tones, sliced up and rearranged tape, samples. By the time this came out they had computers to help, but nearly all of this was recorded live and then worked into the final product.
Trent Reznor is an incredible artist and we should be grateful for the art he has created. The Downward Spiral is an amazing album and a beautiful contribution to music history.
48:30 Fun Fact: During the chorus of "Hurt". Trent Reznor said the wineing sound in the background was originally designed to be an "unsound." Its off key, off pitch and was meant to be a unrepeatable sound
Great reaction! Flood also produced "Violator" by "Depeche Mode", which I highly recommend, I think you would like it. Trent Reznor took a huge inspiration from them.
Congratulations on making it through the experience that is “The Downard Spiral”. Oh and “Hurt” is nine inch nails originally and Johny cash did a remix to it later on
Despite it being long, you two should definitely react to The Fragile, that album is sort of like a sequel to The Downward Spiral, but sounds more cinematic and almost hopeful. You should do like a Part One then a Part Two since it is pretty long but it's honestly worth the listen. Probably one of their best sounding albums imo, although The Downward Spiral comes second for me.
This was Jayden's episode frfr. 😅 Who knew he is actually the tuff one 💪😂 jkjk but you were right about Trent Reznor making movie soundtracks, he's done a lot after The Social Network (2010), which won an Oscar for Best Original Score. Dude is 60 now, and just vibing with a wife and 5 kids.
Top 3 best albums of all time. I love all these comments of people who also grew up with this! Our generation was definitely thirsty for angst and controversy and loved it!!! I remember my best friend from elementary taking me to his evangelical church and when I bumped into him in middle school era he was a NIN fan head to toe in goth regalia😂😂😂
I agree with most of the comments here: The Fragile, the album after this one, is essentially an attempt of recuperating from going into this downward spiral, yet failed to realize that the fragility of your psyche and mental state has been damaged so much that you cannot escape that mental anguish. Make that the next reaction NIN reaction bois. Subscribed.
I'm old, so I'm laughing so hard at the "this could not have been mainstream" comments. This was probably Trent Reznor's most mainstream album before he switched to mostly recording movie soundtracks. Also, "A Warm Place" is hell.
I'm a very devout catholic but heresy is a great track. I don't mind songs that are heretical like that. It's a song of how they truly and honestly felt in that moment in time. The Lord wouldn't want us to be obedient mindless drones either but would rather be very aware and consciously make the right decisions in life and not because we feel we have to but because we want and choose to.
I went to this tour! I was 15. Opened my eyes! Trent had a meltdown on stage and ripped a part a grand piano. The show was put on hold for 15 minutes while they cleaned up. It was so intense! Lots of people in black and black make up and videos of decaying animals and bugs. It was awesome!
How does music get any crazier than this?
Death Grips maybe
Either Giles Corey or Deathconsciousness are even crazier than this (somehow) both are insane, the guy who made giles corey like mentally tortured himself making it I'm pretty sure 💀
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Pantera - Far Beyond Driven
Mr Bungle 😊
You guys have no idea how much of an outlet for teen angst this was when it came out. I was 14 and it was glorious.
Ah the good old days 🫡
Aging is weird. Trent was a hero for me as a teen, but as I got older I realized he was actually just a weak edge lord that put some dumb ideas in my head. Some NiN songs were great, but if I'm honest it was more about feeling like a rebel than it was about loving the songs. In retrospect, a lot of their music sucks. The remix albums are objectively garbage. Nostalgia is a strong drug.
@@Bmetalful idk I listen to NIN because I like the beats, sounds, and melodies, not so much for the edginess
@@BmetalfulI agree. Same with Korn... I'm totally confused as to why I enjoyed them so much as a teen. But that answers my own question; I was a teenager and a complete moron. I still consider Trent Reznor's musicianship to be good, particularly on here. However compared to other bands in the genre, like Skinny Puppy, his songs seem comparatively shallow and formulaic. It's like 'Pop-Industrial' all manufactured angst.
@@Bmetalful That's just like... your opinion man.
I got into NIN in my 20s. Saw the Downward Spiral tour in 94. I'm 50 now, and still love NIN.
That's just like... my opinion man.
The downward spiral is about a person who discards every aspect of his life. His inability to relate to others, to personal relationships, religion, fear of disease. Trent said he wanted to address not just anger but tension. He did it perfectly…
Trent Reznor has been making film soundtracks for over a decade now, he has even won a couple of oscars, one of them for a Disney/Pixar movie, lol.
The other one he won an Oscar for is the most groundbreaking film score of the 21st Century. When I was 12 and was turned on to Pretty Hate Machine in 1991 I could have never envisioned what Reznor was going to do in his career. The Fragile is still my favorite NIN album.
Intro to Se7en and also think he was like head of music on Natural Born Killers too back to the 90s
@@Stankman_Crudders Reznor composed the soundtrack to the video game Quake right after Downward Spiral and produced David Lynch’s Lost Highway soundtrack as well.
@@cactaceous @Stankman_Crudders
He also started working on the score for the Mark Romanek movie called "One Hour Photo" (which is a very good movie, btw), but his music was not used in the end, can't remember why right now, and parts of that music were released in the Still EP, maybe in a reworked way.
But besides some stuff he did here and there producing soundtracks for movies like NBK or LH, or besides the Quake stuff, he didn't really have a serious career as a movie music composer until The Social Network, and Fincher had to insist like a lot until he accepted the job.
@@badmf7974 damn never knew that, love One Hour Photo. Always liked Robin Williams serious roles over comedy
Some trivia:
- Some of The Downward Spiral was recorded where the Manson murders took place.
- That sample at the beginning of Mr Self Destruct is from the film THX 1138, the directorial debut of George Lucas and the namesake for the company THX.
- The weird sound at the end of Mr Self Destruct is a guitar played by Adrian Belew of King Crimson, which was processed so heavily it became... that.
- The drums at the end of Piggy were played by Reznor and were intended to be filler (a stand-in for a proper drum track) but he liked how they sounded, so they stayed.
- There is a recurring motif on the album that can be heard on Piggy, Heresy, Closer, and the title track.
- March of the Pigs has a weird but cool time signature, with three bars of 7/8 and one of 4/4. The chord progression in the calmer bridge is borrowed from an older song called Wish off of the EP Broken.
- The kick on Closer is sampled from the Iggy Pop song Nightclubbing. Starting in the second verse, there's a subtle 808 bassdrum that adds rhythm to the steady four-on-the-floor kick pattern. It is not supposed to be a sexy song. The song is about the protagonist coping with intense self-loathing through sex.
- The Becoming is in a combination of 7/4 and 6/4, with the "Annie" section being solely in 6/4. The opening samples a scene from the 1989 film Robot Jox.
- Big Man With A Gun was written as a parody of gangta rap of the late 80s and early 90s. Ironically, some complained about the song, assuming it WAS a gangsta rap track, which is funny.
- A Warm Place is the only track to be in a "typical" key, being D minor. The rest of the album heavily utilizes dissonant intervals like tritones and minor seconds, as well as interchanging minor and major thirds.
- The "eraser" sound effect at the opening of Eraser was made by blowing into a detached sax reed. The song is in 6/4, but switches to 4/4.
- Reptile samples a sound effect from the 1989 film Leviathan. I have been caught off guard SEVERAL times by the sudden jump in volume at the beginning.
- The title track samples ambient sounds from the 1979 film Alien. It marks the final appearance of the Spiral motif, as well as the album's protagonist (if you interpret the song as depicting a successful suicide attempt).
- The noise on Hurt is mostly present in the left stereo channel, almost as if the hearing in that ear was damaged by, say, a really loud sound. The song was famously covered by Johnny Cash.
Awesome. I'm lazy and didn't read all of your interesting comment. Most people don't realise that the 'Pig' references are also about the Manson murders as 'Pigs' was left written in blood on the wall or door or something.
Still blows me away that after ALL of that, including big man with a gun, one song was left off, Just Do It, because Flood felt it went too far. It's the only "b-side" of nin's career to never surface even as a demo, which leads us to believe it was never recorded, or perhaps ever written at all.
The warped voice at the begining of Big man with a gun is credited as "steakhouse" by Tommy Lee (of motley Crue) and is just a moaning woman from a porno being massively distorted.
Also, the "he-help" part in Reptile was from "The Texas Chainsaw Massacre."
Touring bassist/guitarist Danny Lonher had the job of pulling samples from movies, and was literally paid to sit and watch movies endlessly.
I think there are a lot of cool rumors from the making of this record, like the house being haunted and contributing to the fucked up sound of everything.
There use to be all sorts of crazy stories spread out on 90s fan sites.
In the end, I think Trent knew exactly what house he rented, and knew it would add to the entire vibe and atmosphere of the record. Hindsight, he realized that was pretty fucked up. But no one has the balls to do that today. Everything has become a bit too sterile and watered down, for better and worse.
Sorry, one last thing, but my personal interpretation:
I always believed the protagonist Iggy, managed to kill off Mr self destruct, or so he thought... Which sets up the continuation on The Fragile. Trent says they aren't really related...but with songs like Somewhat Damaged, The Day the would went away, The Wretched, The Big Come Down, and Underneath it all have slight hints at themes from TDS.
All I do, I can still feel you, you remain, I am stained
Oh I just remembered, if you translate the lyrics to La Mer from French, the last line is "nothing can stop me now", a prevalent phrase throughout The Downward Spiral.
Oh damn. I’ve been listening to this album for 30 years - I thought I knew everything about it. But the noise in hurt in one channel being from a ‘loud noise’ I.e. - the gunshot in TDS - that’s the first time I ever realised that. This album is so layered!
There are youtube videos that reveal even more film and music samples. That's just touching surface
wait the hurt one is actually fucking genius because if you interpret it as him offing himself with a bullet wound to the head it’s like the missing side
Closer was played at every strip club through the 90s
Even though Trent has stated that it was not meant to be a stripper anthem
@@Milo-it1tf True. It's a song about a self destructive person, drowning his problems in sex and drugs.
It still gets radio play these days. Any big city with an alt rock radio station will play Closer.
@@nathanpapp432It's actually insane that something like NIN managed to become mainstream
Still gets played at strip clubs now
Johnny Cash covered this original version of Hurt.
Thank you for clarifying this for them lol it’s annoying when people think it’s Johnny Cash’s work and kinda just spread that word of mouth.
@@hunterking8807 Pretty easy to see why if you don't know though. Given Johnny Cash's catalogue is way older the natural assumption would be that NIN covered it (assuming you don't know anything about Johnny Cash either)
@@Stu-Bono, hunterking is right. not knowing everything about everything (filming a first-reaction video no less) just bc you happen to know one thing about something no one really needs to care or know about in the first place is wayyy more annoying than someone calling it out like a violation of physics before thanking that same person for keeping the entire universe in order, hero that they are.
And every time that I've seen them, they end the show with Hurt.
If anybody would have looked up the Johnny Cash song that it came out in 2002 then reacting to an album from 1994 You might put two two together
Trent Reznor and Atticus Ross have written the scores for 27 films and have won 2 Oscars for Best Original Score for the movies "The Social Network" in 2010 and "Soul" in 2020. They also won The Emmy for Outstanding Music Composition for a Limited Series or Movie for the score for "The Watchmen". Trent also has 4 Grammys and Atticus has 2. There has been talk of making "Soul" a musical potentially giving them an opportunity to win a Tony Award and complete the EGOT (Emmy, Grammy, Oscar, Tony) cycle which has only been done 19 times before. I know this album seems like total chaos (and it is) but these are some serious and in-demand artists and surprisingly down to earth. Thank you for reacting to my favorite band...
Very well said my fellow NIN friend
You guys got a great channel, but I wanted to address that just because someone is interested in the darker side of life doesn’t mean they’re bad or evil. Trent was a really dark dude but he’s a good dude. Don’t let something being dark automatically make it bad/evil. Charles Manson who was mentioned in this video was a fan of The Beach Boys and The Beatles, you just never know someone’s true moral compass.
Younger people these days are weirdly more puritan than the 90s lol
@@KayosHybrid the directive to obey is ever amplified
The song Closer is NOT about sex. It's about self-loathing and an obsession with sexuality. All the lyrics are about the protagonist, not about the object of his lust. The song was a midnight anthem at a local rock club for a decade, but it might be one of the most misinterpreted song ever released.
What do you expect from this generation, shallow, can't think critically or deeply, meh let em make thier idiot jokes
@@puckeater1my guy generations have so many people in them, and it’s not simple enough to claim an ENTIRE generation of people is dumb. People before your generation was saying the same thing about your generation, and everyone in your generation was saying the same thing about their generation, and every generation is bad except for peoples own generation. The social construct of the world that we’ve had for years teaches us that every single person who lives outside of our own groups (whether it be generations, political spectrums, etc.) is wrong, and we’re always right from an inside perspective. Wide spread ego death would absolutely grace this world sm, and it sucks that we’ll probably never reach that point
Watching the guy on the left squirm and feel uncomfortable is great, and the only thing he can do is call the guy crazy for being artistic. Appears very close minded. Guy on the right is super cool and completely open minded. Trent Reznor is one of the most creative geniuses of our lifetime. Again like you mentioned, it's a concept album.
how is he close minded? he listened to the entire album; id say hes pretty open minded
@leoseguin5761 if you can't see how incapable he is at approaching the album I don't know what to tell you. He pulled out his cross neckless. Not to hate, I know art like this is difficult when it's in your face, but my dude kept talking about Dahmer etc.
@ouhutra I wouldn't say he's incapable of approaching the music. I was getting the impression, by how he zoned out at times, that the music was starting to dig deep and rip open some scabs. Like it was hitting a little too close to home in some respects.
You shouldn’t presume everyone will come to the same conclusion as you. Art like this is dependent on the times, the context that the people who experience come from
I’ve been scrolling through their videos today, and yes, there’s some disappointing naivety here. Swearing, referring to women as vaginas, and talking about Asian women giving them happy ending massages, but then giggling about and offended by NIN. Hopefully this process opens their eyes.
Dude in red was so triggered after Heresy 😂
Song is so true though. Stop killing people in the name of God
Reznor is pretty well adjusted in fact. Guy is a Grammy award winner and movie score specialist. Downward Spiral is a magnificent work of art. Glad you enjoyed it!
Also an academy award winner
Grabs his cross for one song, then talks about pushing a girl’s head into the pillow while banging her then has the nerve to say Trent “ Needs to find fucking Jesus”? Really? 😂😂😂
49 years old. Watching these kids makes me weep for the future.
Without comprehension of life, one certainly can't expect comprehension of music.
Never a better reason to click on the "not interested in channel" option.
What an effing joke.
Them -"Murderers listen to this stuff."
Me- ...*Stops eating my baked potato
It's weird to see these guys be kind of immature listening to this album while 11 year old me in '94 was intrigued and opened my mind to this type of music . To each their own I guess. Haha
Yep. Well said.
I think a lot of it is nervousness. You laugh off provocative and revealing stuff like this. It's as they said. They might talk like this all the time, but they would never put it to music. It's disarming. One of the reactions a person can have is just to laugh it off, because you are actually uncomfortable with it. And when there are 2 people, you play off each other - "Can you believe this crazy stuff?" "No, that guy is crazy." But he is actually a lot like you and is saying things you've thought about at one point or another, but wouldn't admit. I think if they went back to it alone and listened again, they might have a more introspective reaction.
Fellow 83 kid here! One of my most formative albums of that year, but honestly 94 had some of the best music of my lifetime to date.
If you pay attention to the current culture, sacrilegious music is really out of fashion. It made more sense in the 90’s as a form of commentary on free speech and the dominant Christian morality of the time but the script since the mid 10’s has flipped. In some other videos they’ve also hinted towards their views and it falls in line with that trend imo.
If I were to introduce NIN to someone in their age range, I would definitely give that context as I am just old enough to witness that paradigm shift.
@@nicocaffarilla8556 I think it started even earlier than that with the arrival of Brittney, Christina, Nsync, and the Backstreet Boys. Grunge started fading by the late 90s and a lot of the bands that were popular started transforming into something else or became stale. NIN started to change with the next album as well, though they stayed pretty true to the vision throughout. Indie rock became more of a thing. Rap metal became the next fad. Not everything became wholesome, but in the 2000s experimentation became more of a thing. That was more of the rebellion rather than shocking lyrics, angst, and just heavy music.
"reminds me of call of duty"
my dude he literally did the soundtrack for black ops 2, you hit the "nail" on the head haha
and first Quake in '96, original CD had the music on game's CD as tracks playing with that industrial music was scary af
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Trent Reznor said he wrote Heresy partially in response to conservative Christians who in the 90's were extremely homophobic about the HIV/AIDS epidemic saying that gay people deserved it and that it was God punishing them for their "sin". In an interview, he said, "What gets me mad is the way the right wing has used the ‘convenience’ of this epidemic in helping to promote their own agenda.”
Oh yeah dude, and to be clear, it wasn't just Christian citizens, or Christian leaders. It went alllllll the way to the top. Politicians, representatives, senators, GOVERNORS, you name it. They were all happy to let the seeds of civil descent sow as the public blames each other, all they while, they sit back and ignore the problem so that the gay community would just die out. That was genuinely one of the most horrific and unethical periods of modern history, and nobody talks about it.
yeah that's not an excuse though, and trent didn't make excuses for it either.
it's a statement that he owns, whether he believes it now or views it differently as the years have passed, there's nothing wrong with that.
@@ChristopherGray00 Excuse for what? Ngl I have no idea what you are trying to say with this comment.
Oh shit, religious people are listening to nine inch nails. Watch out!
Trent was sooo sad during the 90s, suffering from extreme depression and addiction. He did a great job of showing how fucked up he felt with the music he made. Trent felt so hopeless. He's doing a lot better now. Sobered up, started living a healthy lifestyle, and has a beautiful family.
That's good to read
Nine Inch Nails released this record in 1994 along with the single "Hurt"
Johnny Cash released "Hurt" in 2002.
Do the math
8 years difference? Instructions are unclear
@@herroalex
God this album is nuts but so great.
“The Fragile” is Trent’s masterpiece in my opinion. It’s very long, but definitely worth a look. Both that and Downward Spiral are 10/10 for me. Great job guys!
hell yes!! A full listen through of the double album would be amazing. And they would get to see another aspect of Trent and maybe be less 'scared' of him haha
"The Fragile" is one of my favorite albums of all time... it was transformative for me as a teen. The way most fans talk about Downward Spiral is how I feel about The Fragile.
Also, if you want a quicker video listen to all of The Broken. it's like 26 minutes long.
@@robertstull8759 Love Downward Spiral, but The Fragile will always be my favorite album of all time.
I go back in fourth between pretty hate machine and downward spiral as #1 and #2. I would say that the fragile is a great work, but in many ways with teeth is a more coherent singular album. They are kinda tied in my mind at 3.
I love your opposing reactions. It was the same back in the 90s. Half of us went 'oh shit, this is amazing', the other half went 'oh, shit' and felt uncomfortable.
No. Music is music, its not satanic. Satanism doesnt exist. If a song slaps it slaps so yes we will listen to it, you dont have to be fucked up to enjoy it
Satan doesn't exist, but Satanism certainly does 😆
lol satanism definitely exists
@@robertstull8759 exactly
... m0rons
I think the point they were trying to make is that Satanism as a religion doesn't exist, it is a philosophy
It’s pretty naive to say someone has to be crazy or fucked up to enjoy this music. What that tells me is that life has not broken you yet, and for that you are lucky. For millions of the rest of us, this music is a catharsis that makes us feel less alone and empty. Trent isn’t a psychopath. He deeply feels things and the music is the outlet. Taking the lyrics at face value is a huge mistake. There is deeper meaning behind everything you claimed “was fucked up and a murderer must listen to this.” I implore you to think beyond your own narrow horizons.
Girl stop it😂😭anyone who listens to this album n enjoys it is fucked up & a tad bit crazy
Very well said 👏
You’re absolutely right 🖤
You boys weren't even ready.
Nope. They absolutely were not worthy of the Downward Spiral.
Can't blame them. This shit still so over the top for the average listener.
@@michellenewman5121
1. who are you to judge who is "worthy" to listen to a piece of music? imagine gatekeeping music
2. the downward spiral is clearly an extremely obsecure and extremely aquired taste album, it is while, an album i consider to be a masterpiece, and one that i hold so close to my heart, i would also conversely understand if someone didn't feel this album, it is extremely dark, extremely gritty, for me this is theraputic and production wise it perfectly encompassed the feeling of depression to me.
but, for a lot people, they don't want to feel this way, negative music for me is theraputic, but you are not everyone, i am not everyone. stop thinking that you are some divine being that decides who is "allowed" to listen to your precious album.
@@ChristopherGray00 Not obscure, but not really mainstream anymore
You guys missed the who;e point of Closer. It's about a man whose final, last resort against the encroaching darkness is sex, and his addiction to it. The whole album is about self destruction. It's as sexy as hell, but unhealthy as fuck
It is amazing. Annoying and amazing, the complete misunderstanding of this song.." *I wanna fuck you* hahaha he said dirty words". We live with philistines my man... it makes me sad.
It's a desperate plea for salvation.. sex is the only thing that's left. I can't relate anymore to anything but flesh.. but no: "LOL fuck you like an animal! Lolol". People disappoint me.
You know when they talk about media litteracy? .. yeah. I feel you dude.
The dark underbelly of GenX.
Cynical, angry, self-deprecating….ultimately not giving a fuck.
And all with good reason :)
1. The album is cathartic. Actually helps people cope with anger and depression.
2. None of these sings are about what you think they're about. It's very metaphorical.
3. NIN wrote Hurt. Cash covered it as the last song he ever recorded.
Also, in an interview, Reznor says he didn't know it was the Tate house until after recording was underway.😊
The references to Pigs is most likely a throwback reference to Animal Farm. Pig's are authoritarians.
Most of these songs are sung from the perspective of the drugs like heroin that had a hold on Trent, depression and the downward spiral one can take. I love you guys but this whole album went over your heads lol
Which songs are you reffering to? I haven't heard that interpretation for any of the songs before
@@lucastaylor0 Yeah, a poor choice of wording. I meant only that the songs often refer to heroine addiction and the things associated with it. Not really sung from the drug’s perspective but there are certainly elements of that as well.
Heroin isn’t Trent’s drug of choice. In fact,he mistaken heroin for cocaine and was sent to the hospital due to overdosing.this was his step to sobriety altogether.
It’s funny that Trent Reznor has made scary sounding shit like this and then also did the soundtrack for Disney Pixar’s Soul and TMNT: Mutant Mayhem
Yea he's made alot of really beautiful soundtracks now, really a great musician along with atticus Ross and others he collaborates with
This makes me laugh so much. NIN was my first concert even I was 13 in 1994. Marilyn Manson opened for them. I know every word to every song in this album to this day and I’m 44 years old. But y’all are cute. It’s funny.
Met Trent met a lot of bands it’s not a clout thing I was just a kid and liked the bands before they got popular so I had a lot of opportunities due to that. And parents that let me do whatever I wanted.
The bands were all nice no one was ever trying to be creepy they treated me kindly but treated me like a kid because I was. No weird stuff.
I was NOT expecting u guys to react a industrial metal album. Thank god u did, this is one of my fav albums!
They were actual drums played by Trent on Piggy. They were originally recorded as microphone test drums, but he thought they sounded cool and put them in the song
This is the album that stopped 14, 15, 16 and 18 year old me from un-aliving myself back in the 90's. It's every kind of pain you can go through as a depressed, neurodiverse, traumatized, substance-addicted person in musical form and hearing it in music from another person's perspective helped take the edge off in such a huge way.
on my back on the floor, cans strapped on, volume at 11, on repeat
Trent DIDN'T intentionally buy/rent the murder house. It just had all the room for the equipment and a guest house for what was needed.
The other thing you guys need to learn is that everytime when people say fuck, its not always about sex. Sometimes it's referring to fucking someone over or betraying them.
When Rob Zombie toured with NIN back in the 90s, he said Trent was the most depressed human being he'd ever met in his life.
10:30 Piggy is not a woman but is in fact ex-guitarist Richard Patrick (who Trent knew since high school), and yeah I guess he was pretty heart broken about it.
The downward spiral is a masterpiece. I was 14 when it came out. I’m totally normal and happy. I wasn’t at all an angsty teen. But I’m not afraid to explore the darker side of life. And NIN is as dark as it gets but it’s also beautiful. It’s art, and good art isn’t afraid to explore the dark side of our minds / bodies / souls
As a musician it was hugely influential.
yeah they totally didnt get the album
you read what the concept of the album was but then just.... ignored it i guess.
Kids discovering real music, what a gem. Even if they're too young to fully appreciate it, they're on the path.
bingo!
I think you guys need to look for the metaphors more. A lot of the stuff in here that you think is super dark is more about emotional pain. And Trent doesn't write songs about hating women... that I'm aware of. The pigs are the terrible people in the world that use others for their own wants and hurt the world... I think. Again, metaphorical. Not actual pigs.
(Amusingly, Trent Reznor does have a pretty fun, domestic life nowadays. It just took him 20+ years of screaming out his immense pain into the darkness in order to find his way there.)
The song Heresy is simply calling out everyone who uses their God as a reason/excuse to justify their hatred for anyone not like themselves or don’t adhere to their plan. Anti-Homosexual, anti-Semitic, the inquisitions, molestations, all are justified.
Real talk we almost lost Trent three times around this album, 2 overdoses, and look up the story behind the song“Lamer”
The guy in the red jacket has no idea how much this album meant for us who grew up with it. That rage, the blood pumping experience, and the rawness. Is what we related to and till this day any true nin fan knows this
Cash's cover of "Hurt" was from a cover album he did shortly before he passed. The director of the iconic music video also directed the video for "Closer." That video and Cash's passing imbued it with a lot of cultural significance and caused it to overshadow the original.
And yes, Trent has a wife and several kids. He and his wife have their own band called How to Destroy Angels, along with his music writing partner Atticus Ross. In addition to occasional NIN projects and collabs he also does film/television scores and ocassionally video game soundtracks. Most recently they did the score for the movie _Challengers,_ and Ross did the score for the show _Shogun._
Some Nine Inch Nails trivia for you.
You mentioned how a warm place sounds like Call of Duty or something like that. Trent Reznor did the opening song for Black Ops II. This same guy did the soundtrack to a Pixar film called Soul. Reznor and Ross are geniuses.
A Warm place sounds like Bowies Crystal Japan. Then Mogwai did Sine Wave
Now I actually know what the saying means that “Disturb the comfortable, and comfort the disturbed”. Honestly didn’t like how they assumed he was automatically a crazy violent person without looking into his past or even the meaning of the songs 🫤
99% of what you identify as hatred towards women, which would be the truth nowadays, is actually self hatred..It really not about women.. which is something that really annoyed Reznor to no end..
There is no misogyny in there. It's almost a solipsitic album. A lot of women hater got a hold of some of the song. And they would've been stumped in the mosh pit in 94.
Siamese Dream is great! Looking forward to the reaction.
Man literally said "further down the spiral"
Guys a lot of stuff he says in the lyrics isn’t literal. For example “take the skin and peel it back” on march of the pigs isn’t meant to be taken literally lol. Or like big man with a gun, he’s mocking a specific type of person. This album is philosophical and metaphorical in a lot of ways, and you won’t completely understand it until you look at it in that perspective.
The nineties were a great time to be going through teen angst. We had the perfect soundtrack for our lives on the radio, in our cd players, and on Mtv.
The song Closer was very mainstream. It was played on the radio alot.
(but censored)
This was on the radio constantly in Canada. Uncensored usually I think, but maybe later in the evenings.
An ex, drugs, hatred followed by acceptance,loss and suicide. Welcome to The DownwardSpiral
This album is so far ahead of its time!!! In 94 this was fucking mind blowing!!!
i don’t mean this as a negative criticism at all, but it was kind of a treat watching such a naive take on this album. the struggling to comprehend it. it’s so different from supposed experts dissecting the music… this is just shock and awe. i love when an album hits me like that.
if i had one criticism, like other’s have said, don’t take things literally. you mentioned horror movies, think about the album like one. it’s a horror album. and the imagery is open ended. avoid making easy assumptions about the lyrics, like how the target of trent’s aggression is always a woman, when are so many other awful options, like some random person plucked off the street, or even himself, with you playing the role of the aggressor in the lyrics. this album is messed up from every angle lol.
also, the broken ep is craaaaazy! the downward spiral felt downright restrained after being primed by that ball of rage. there was nothing like it when it came out. i was unprepared.
Y’all seemed to miss a lot here homies - his world isn’t external here, it’s almost all internal // happy to actually flesh this out if you’re interested
The way the dude on the left checked tf out during Heresy was hilarious.
Ahhh, kids.
This album may be deeper than you can ever wrap your head around.
Please continue your journey.
"Obviously this guy is okay with going to Hell."
Probably because there's no such place.
Hell is a closed server where you have to hang out with all the people that acted with reckless disregard for others.
This is the original; version of Hurt
this album is almost perfect it has nothing about woman it's about addiction
I play this album on my way to church every Sunday
I cry for the youth.
So interesting to hear naive young guys listen to this album and give their two cents in the year of our lord 2024. This album has helped me feel less alone at my lowest. For anyone struggling with drug addiction, sexual trauma and violent thoughts, its a soothing masterpiece. If you can believe it
Thank you for recording this reaction video. =)
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For those of us who have been in the Industrial scene 30+ years (and there's a LOT of us...) it's always great seeing people encounter the genre, especially when they have ZERO frame of reference. Industrial is very unlike mainstream genres of music, so when people discover it, they tend to have a strong visceral reaction (either for or against it.)
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If it doesn't speak to you, that's cool; it doesn't have to be for everyone. If it DOES speak to you, there's a WEALTH of music waiting for you to discover it.
As a mom, i am constantly struggling with when is the appropriate age to introduce my son to my favorite music 😅
You were talking about who would listen to it, or when someone would want it. The feeling of not being alone, of having suppressed anger, fury, of feeling isolation and despair, all washed away through a sense of catharsis and acceptance, through feeling valid. This album saved so many people. Not feeling alone, having some place to let those feelings exist, to work through inner struggles and turmoil. All of that makes you feel crazy, makes you feel full of spite and rage, and here is a vehicle of someone else's design that let's you escape it, to see it as a passenger, to walk the darkness with a guide.
The level of metaphor used seemed to escape the two of you, but I'm guessing as you become more introspective, it will make more sense. Come back in 5 years and listen again, see if anything has changed in your opinion.
Good work sticking through the whole album. It seemed out of your comfort zone, but is a good way to break through and find even more depth. Best of luck boys.
Heresy was a very flagrant song. I expected EVERY church in the USA to trip about it, but they left it alone 🤔
When you keep in mind it’s the perspective of a guy on a downward spiral in the track it’s not really a serious critique anyway.
@@cuteasxtreme true dat 👊🏽
Because they know it’s true. 🤷🏻♀️
@@CBGB_1977 no
When you have a bunch of people dumb as rocks, it is completely normal that they wouldn't understand it enough to realize that it was a spit in their face.
The first time I listened to this album it ruined my day lol. Now it's one of my favorite albums. Yes, murderers have listened to this album. The columbine shooters were big fans. They completely misunderstood it though. This album is a warning against the mindset of nihilism and self destruction that leads people to that place. It's a story. It's not promoting any of the things it discusses.
Big Man with aGun was commenting on Rap culture. Think about the lyrics
The song is about power and control, hence the reference to using his dick/gun to put things in their places. It's about the person using their power for toxic messed up isht.
From a more modern perspective I always thought it dealt with the violent/nihilistic tendencies of a man going through hardship. I ALWAYS related it to school shootings, how the shooter starts to think and how he “proves” himself to be dominant
Also this is a concept album. Of an addict in a Downward spiral.
You guys should react to Pretty Hate Machine (1989) its their first album
3 things for yall:
1. This is not their masterpiece in my opinion, that title belongs to The Fragile, which you are now contractually obligated to listen to now. Demonic contract.
2. March Of The Pigs was infamous in old NIN shows as the "song that kills people". This song created the most hellish mosh pits to ever exist, which would give many, many people near-death experiences.
3. Trent Reznor and whoever was his keyboardist of the day were notorious for destroying equipment, there are countless videos of them curbstomping and smashing keyboards, which are also really fucking funny.
This is their masterpiece but the fragile is amazing too
I can attest to #2. Self Destruct tour in 94 was awesome. I was in the pit!!!!
it definitely is better than The fragile every song is super good imo and broken is also better than Fragile
The amount of observations made in passing. Texas Chainsaw Massacre, the screams in The Becoming are sampled from that film. Trent has done MANY scores for films to great success, like his Oscar for the Social Network.. Pure genius. My favorite musician
I can still clearly remember the day my best friend and I drove up to a well known Record Store, with no real particular plan in mind. We walked around and had fun looking at all the different vinyl and merch. But it was this album that caught our eye. I am sure we bought a couple things while there, but my buddy definitely bought this CD. We opened it as soon as we got into the car....and from the moment Mr. Self Destruct erupted through my car speakers, it was all over. We listened to every track in that first sitting, on the way home and then sitting in my driveway just blown away by the entirely and enormity of this album. Will live on forever as one of the GOATS in contemporary Music.
Many years later I was lucky enough to be able to attend Soundgarden opening for NIN. It was truly a life affirming experience. Very much looking forward to watching your review!!
A Warm Place is a cover of a David Bowie instrumental song called Crystal Japan by the way.
It sounds like that but that is actually a coincidence, a warm place is actually the albums leitmotif played in reverse
@minerva_primeTrent confirmed he accidentally interpolated it.
On a very dark note, you guys mentioned how “a murderer must have listened to this music”…
Trent and Nine Inch Nails (in addition to other artists) got a lot of backlash from the media because one of the Columbine school shooters was a fan of the group. “Big Man with a Gun” specifically
They also used Marilyn Manson as a scapegoat
@@Milo-it1tfAnd the game "DOOM" was used as an excuse as well. They blame everything except the parents and the self accountability of the killer.
@Bmetalful and the bullying causes school shootings, yet school boards do nothing to stop that, and yet they act like they didn’t see it coming
They were making industrial music back in the 70’s - bands would use machinery, tape loops run through machines, power tools, weird synth tones, sliced up and rearranged tape, samples. By the time this came out they had computers to help, but nearly all of this was recorded live and then worked into the final product.
Trent Reznor is an incredible artist and we should be grateful for the art he has created. The Downward Spiral is an amazing album and a beautiful contribution to music history.
My man on the left was going through an existential crisis for half this album. 😂 Give a chance little dude. It's good
48:30 Fun Fact: During the chorus of "Hurt". Trent Reznor said the wineing sound in the background was originally designed to be an "unsound." Its off key, off pitch and was meant to be a unrepeatable sound
Great reaction!
Flood also produced "Violator" by "Depeche Mode", which I highly recommend, I think you would like it.
Trent Reznor took a huge inspiration from them.
Congratulations on making it through the experience that is “The Downard Spiral”. Oh and “Hurt” is nine inch nails originally and Johny cash did a remix to it later on
Despite it being long, you two should definitely react to The Fragile, that album is sort of like a sequel to The Downward Spiral, but sounds more cinematic and almost hopeful. You should do like a Part One then a Part Two since it is pretty long but it's honestly worth the listen. Probably one of their best sounding albums imo, although The Downward Spiral comes second for me.
lol, this was like watching Brad and Janet meet Frank N Furter
👏👏👏
😂 exactly this
this reminds me of watching beaves and butthead react to march of the pigs 😂
This was Jayden's episode frfr. 😅 Who knew he is actually the tuff one 💪😂 jkjk but you were right about Trent Reznor making movie soundtracks, he's done a lot after The Social Network (2010), which won an Oscar for Best Original Score. Dude is 60 now, and just vibing with a wife and 5 kids.
Top 3 best albums of all time. I love all these comments of people who also grew up with this! Our generation was definitely thirsty for angst and controversy and loved it!!! I remember my best friend from elementary taking me to his evangelical church and when I bumped into him in middle school era he was a NIN fan head to toe in goth regalia😂😂😂
I agree with most of the comments here:
The Fragile, the album after this one, is essentially an attempt of recuperating from going into this downward spiral, yet failed to realize that the fragility of your psyche and mental state has been damaged so much that you cannot escape that mental anguish. Make that the next reaction NIN reaction bois. Subscribed.
Johnny Cash covered TRENT, not the other way around. Hurt is a Nine Inch Nails song.
Hilarious watching kids freak out over my therapy from HS
I'm old, so I'm laughing so hard at the "this could not have been mainstream" comments. This was probably Trent Reznor's most mainstream album before he switched to mostly recording movie soundtracks. Also, "A Warm Place" is hell.
As a teen this was my album. Hard to describe, but this kept alot of things at bay for me at a time where i needed it
Wake up honey, new jaybud drop
When these kids hit puberty they will appreciate art
Guys, we have to make them listen to Rust In Peace
I'm a very devout catholic but heresy is a great track. I don't mind songs that are heretical like that. It's a song of how they truly and honestly felt in that moment in time. The Lord wouldn't want us to be obedient mindless drones either but would rather be very aware and consciously make the right decisions in life and not because we feel we have to but because we want and choose to.
I went to this tour! I was 15. Opened my eyes! Trent had a meltdown on stage and ripped a part a grand piano. The show was put on hold for 15 minutes while they cleaned up. It was so intense! Lots of people in black and black make up and videos of decaying animals and bugs. It was awesome!