Should you Build SMART or BIG? - Rust
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- Опубликовано: 23 дек 2023
- Rust bases come in ALL shapes and sizes. Today we find out if building SMART is better than just making it BIG. I have recruited two 9000 hours Rust gamers to construct two VERY different bases, then my team of capable raiders with over 25,000 hours will put their structures to the test. Enjoy!
What is Rust? Rust is an INTENSE PVP multiplayer survival game that I've played for THOUSANDS of hours. I've gone on MASSIVE Solo adventures, clan wipes, HUGE raids and just about every experience under the Sun. It's a game that can have the most intense nail biting moments, or you can spend hours doing nothing interesting, The way the cookie crumbles can never be predicted and of course I save the absolute best bits for you guys. Whether it's PvP moments, epic counter raids or my clan messing with each other, everything you need to experience Rust is right here on the Max Mears channel. I hope you enjoy, peace.
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Recorded with OBS Studio, edited with Audacity and Sony Vegas Pro. 
Игры
"The TC is on the roof, it's literally a RUclips video base" -The Guy just freebuilt it
"The TC is on the roof 100%" -TC Isn't on the roof
"I've killed all the turrets" -A few turrets left
"Just follow my rockets" -You're a team, consult with the others instead of doing whatever
"This guy builds mazes, I've seen his youtube videos" -Guy's not a content creator
"Blows here ! It's only 4 rockets" -Wall doesn't lead to TC
This ducky guy really is the king of bad comms
As soon as he instantly died 4 times he had no useful comms and just whined, threw off the team moral and team comms and the whole 2nd raid fell apart - one of many reasons I don't like to play with squeakers or anyone who sounds 13
I get the argument against bunkers but I really feel like they’re not that broken as not many people use them and big groups have enough boom to flatten your base so removing them would only be nerfing the solos mostly and it’s hard enough as it is to play solo so I feel like we shouldn’t be nerfing solos anymore
Yeah I fully agree. I get why streamers are against bunkers since they always play in groups and/or can be online 24/7 but for solos and people with jobs bunkers are the only way to give a chance of keeping your loot for ONE night. :) Like the guy who play 10+ zerg...well they are the reason why bunkers exists. xD
Agree
Hopefully the small build wins so I can show my girlfriend and tell her to stop complaining
Same man
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Best comment
You play rust and have a gf?? I thought we all have only 24 hours in a day
Same man
An AloneInTokyo collab in the future would be awesome. Would be great to see how your raiders get on against someone like him, who does it solo against clans.
Congratulations on your growth this year. The content you've produced has been really refreshing. I think Rust YT content has been a little stagnant of late so it's really cool to see this type of stuff. Long may it continue and good luck next year.
Indeed and dont tell the raiders team and watch their reaction at end 😂
Motion would be cool too
They would just fail fast.
If AIT got to build one of his bases there's no way a team of 4 like these dudes would be able to handle it, imo. They were way too disorganized and careless with things.Lol
They were literally shooting different walls, ignoring each others calls, wasting time arguing, etc.
The only thing that would stop AIT is if he ran out of time trying to build/upgrade everything to his usual specifications or if you used a larger group with a lot of hours playing with each other.
yes
having that one person without social skills is a realistic group gaming experience
It would be cool to add a counter raider component to this series and see how it goes
one dynamic that might be cool to see is old vs young. The game has plenty of players in their Teens and 30's.
I've noticed a lot of the older dudes tend to play on lower pop modded servers cause they don't have the time to dedicate to rust and they are usually a little more chill on the PVP side of things.
It's a young man's game. Eye hand coordination suffer as you get older. I'm 51 soon to be 52. Have hard time competing with 19 year old nephew.
@@kazzdevlin5339 lol i hear ya man 37 here
@@psil0cibin89 there's always the old adage Old age and treachery will always beat youth and exuberance.
@@kazzdevlin5339 Sounds like you and your nephew are the perfect candidates for my video idea 😅
You should have the 2 base owners wager how many rockets they can take against each other. Like if one guy thinks he can handle 40 rockets, both players have to try to defend against that many.
"my mouse died" lmao 🤣🤣🤣
from what I understand, old rust bases were strong and expensive mostly because the tc upkeep worked differently, although todays bases are based on cost for efficiency which leads for cutting on actual raid cost for better peaks. at the end of the day it doesn't matter if you have a big, small, tanky or cheap base, what matters is how you use your base. while playing a wipe you get used to the layout of your base that helps you with the raid defence.
old rust didn't even have upkeep, so you could build giant
The best builders can actually make all 3 work in tandem though, using highly complex separated shells with cheap honeycombing split onto different tcs, made up of an interaction of floorstackes halfgaps, freehand gaps, and widegaps. Layer this with specific build techniques like functional honeycomb window lootable rooms and pixel gaps, vending machine tricks, and you can make highly efficient hefty raid cost bases with top tier peaks
Understanding how your footprint will influence all of this is also super important, because great forethought can let you set up things like internal floating double ramp peeks that still barrier entry, work as retakes, and will influence what you can do while maintaining strong base mobility
I have 4k hours, but consider myself a master builder at this point since that’s my favorite part of the game. I only build solo bases since I only solo. I want to say that it is possible to build a “large” cheap solo base if you know what you’re doing. My main base that I’ve been using for a year now costs almost 28k metal, 13k stone, and 450ish hqm. Upkeep is 800 stone, 3200 metal, and 45 ish hqm. That includes everything and I mean everything in the base other than the 6 auto turrets. The base looks like your typical group base with an inner and outer core. There are inside and outside peaks, full auto turret coverage in peaks and roof, in base oil refinery, enough room to fit 6 mixing tables, all 3 workbenches, at least 9 small furnaces for charcoal and 15 electric furnaces (not that I need it, usually just have 9 which is equivalent to 3 large furnaces which is overkill already for a solo), 2 bedrooms, and enough loot space to fit roughly 25 large boxes and a bunch of small ones (basically I’ve never utilized more than half of the available loot space even when insanely loaded). I took me years and many iterations to finally get to this point. Oh also, the base is a minimum 31 rockets, but more realistically it’s in the low 40s depending on the raid path and it’s an easy rebuild. I’ve been able to continue wipe multiple times after being raided early on (never been successfully raided when base has been completed).
Edit: As a solo, bunkers are necessary. I wouldn’t be able to play this game without them since I’d be getting offlined all the time. Usually it’s group/clan players that hate bunckers because they’re the ones raiding solos with bunkers.
thats not "cheap" for a solo
For solo players, bunkers are extremely nice, and are really only used for offlines, just discourages offliners early in wipe.
I believe that this video is a great comparison between compact bases and larger bases. Although, due to the fact that both builders had the same materials and time, the attackers should have had the same amount of rockets, the additional 35 rockets provided to the attackers while raiding that base gave them an advantage against that base, it was meant to withstand blows while not needing to be overly defended. This caused the base to be better protected against offline raids. Meanwhile, the smaller more compact base built around honeycomb and online defending, had a clear design choice that proved to be disadventagous. With all that in mind i believe that the attackers should have been supplied the same amount of rockets during both raids, the clear design choices made it clear who was the surperior builder while trying to protect from an online raid.
In short, both designs were intentional and even though both builders were supplied an equal amount of supplies, the builder of the larger base reigns surperior due to his awarness of how much the resources at hand could protect him.
I 100% disagree with your opinion on bunkers. If we remove bunkers, that will be the last straw for solos and duos. It will be impossible to play a wipe. It should stay in the game as is.
You know what you were saying about peaks, where you said you cam see up and see the defender inside,
Pro tip
On the walls behind him put picture frames with nothing but a solid block of black as the picture all around the defenders position on the walls, makes it so hard to see the defender inside.
Silly raid team gotta hire a new one 🥲
You completely deserve this growth man your videos are super interesting and they stand out amongst all the other "snowball" rust videos that have become stale well done bro all your vids are bangers
I haven't got to the second raid yet but the dude who built that base is a daemon with those gate house's and I'm expecting him to go ham.
loving the content man! What a smart and unique way to spice up rust content. It's a nice change from the typical "Snowball" story! Keep it up!
dont agree with the bunker hate tbh, as a solo theres nothing more satisfying than making zergs pay extra only to find nothing inside my base because i despawned it all before logging
5:10 the easiest way to place it the way you're describing is to place the shelf first, then flip the tc sideways and back up to the fifth square (assuming stone foundation) and place it while pressing against the wall. You have to wiggle it around a bit, but it locks in pretty quick
im someone who has played solo, all the way up to 14 man, from experience i will say it is so easy finding tc in large clan bases, even if they have 5 layers of walla you know it will be profit so you pummel straight through and get all their loot. The reason smaller smarter bases are better are because although you might spend the same amount of boom or less you will be taken through an unexpected route, smaller bases have a way of being bafflingly expensive especially with bunkers and such
For people who don't know how to fix the shelf problem that Max had at 3:34 what you need to do is "i know it works with vanilla build skin of stone" that you stand like the builder stood and flip the walls behind and to the side of the TC to hard side then place it as close too the corner and flip the walls back, reason for this is because the soft side of the walls are thicker then the hard side.
now if you placed the TC right the shelf should be able too be placed
man bunkers are eventually a lifeline for a solo like me and yes it's alota rockers but when you have enemy's who get 20 rockets in the first 3hrs of wipe its just not worth to have only sheet doors in the way of all my loot just saying👌
Rockets*
2nd raid was amazing nice editing !
Some of these raiders don't even sound like they've been alive 9000 hours
Your laugh makes the content so much better lol 😂
Just found your channel and been loving the content.
Thank god for bunkers lol saves us solo guys from the big clans
I think the thing that keeps coming up from this is that 2018 style bases are just so confusing to current players they don't even know how to raid them. Is the new meta to build like it's 6 years ago?
Honestly why not, if you have the materials to build stupid bases just go for it
IMO I think raiders are used to patterns. The problem with symmetrical bases is that raiders can make an educated guess and if they're lucky they get it right. Just make a wide and tall base with no symmetrical pattern to it and raiders wont be able to guess where TC is. As long as someone is online it'll be loads harder than a regular raid for most people.
Nah man the new players will never ever going to be able to raid those bases even with no resistance
Just let the guy like KCMO to build a base I want to see those guys manage under an hour raid
The main difference between both raids was confusion. In the first raid they were certain they knew where to go and they were better at PvP than the first builder. This kept them focused and communicated. In the second raid they were beyond confused by the "stupidity" of what they are seeing which the builder then utilised to mow them down, causing the Raiders to panic and lose all semblance of communication... Also for some reason they had much less teamwork at the start. In the the first raid they focused single targets with rockets but in the second raid they kept rocketing different things... I don't think the test was effective for base design but it showed that the best raid defence is confusion.
Awesome video man!
I think a really cool way to modify these base building/raiding challenges would be if the base builders were required to also find a location to place a pair of storage containers with useful raiding supplies (that you fill them with as part of raider's supplies, in addition to their initial starting supplies) that the raiders can make use of. (the defender cannot pull items from these designated chests ever, and the two containers and the TC all must be on three different floors - to force everything to be spread out -- maybe a 3rd container that can optionally also be on the TC floor so that the raider's can't infer what floor the TC is on by the location of the containers...?)
By doing this it allows you to give the raiders less supplies at the start, and they have a way to resupply mid-raid.(But they have to earn it!)
(And no special rules about loot extraction or anything, just like it would be in vanilla if the defender can stop them by killing them then they don't automatically get loot added to their supply/FOB or anything, it'll just be left on the ground with their bodies (perhaps then available to the defender to take too?)
This would allow there to be plenty of rockets, but perhaps the raiders are only given like 30ish to start with, if they're lucky it's enough to go straigh to TC, but mostly it'll be enough to get in to obtain some extra loot after finding a chest inside the base, allowing them to use rockets to get further into the base after they earn it.
(effectively, these chests give you more options when choosing how to supply the raiders, allowing you to not have to give them all their supplies upfront)
Your argument for why bunker's shouldn't exist implies shouldn't be able to respawn
His argument isn't that you shouldent be able to respawn, it's that if the point of a game is to live for as long as possible you shouldn't have to kill yourself to do something that otherwise would be easy
@@uliduke495 so they should remove F1 kill then since that goes against the "point"
@@wastedgiraffe i think f1 kill is abused tbh it's meant to be a tool to get you unstuck instead it's used to speedily respawn. anyway I'm not trying to argue my bad for starting an argument
U know it’s a good day when u see max upload
i appriciate you showing what a bunker is because i really had no idea
I just found your channel and I love your vids, it’s almost 3 am and I can’t stop watching your vids! Amazing content and amazing quality
Honestly one of the most underrated channels in the rust scene
I like Bunkers, Gets me to explore the game more :D and I can monuments without being scared of being raided ^^
11:24 I really don't see the issue. It balances the game for solos more. Oh no it goes from 4 rockets to 15?
Guess what? That zerg with the 3/4th of a grid sized base over there? They got way more than 15 rockets. It's chump change for them. That's a population of this game that you will NEVER get me to feel bad for, as someone who plays with 2 other people max. I will NEVER feel bad for the group of 15 people for having to spend 15 rockets. That's like 3 mins of farming for them. 🙄
Super underrated youtuber. You deserve a lot more.
yo max merry christmas + this is gonna help me in rust if i should build big or smart + Happy newyears
That second raid made me scream at the how hard do u want to make it like come on 😂
Max I've watched you grow from 2k subs to almost 30k this is amazing I've always enjoyed your content just keep doing what your doing and hopefully you can get to 100k by the end of the year 🎉
Haven’t watched this yet but already know it’s a certified hood classic
39:20 "Plan!?" 🤣🤣🤣
I disagree with the bunker thing. Before I was good at building I got raided almost every night for like a year and had to restart. Now I can play for more than a day or two without my grub fuck neighbours or the local 30 man russian/chinese zerg offlining because I killed one for a crossbow on wipeday
agreed. Especially for Solos Bunkers are a Godsend. I think taking Bunkers out of the Game would be very bad for Solos.
But maybe make it so you can't have a Big Base with a Bunker if that is somehow possible. So Bigger Groups can't have a Big Base and a Bunker aswell.
@@KiTho06 Well, I think bunkers altogether are fine. It is a way to add raid-cost to your base without doing much effort, should we remove honeycomb just because people think that it makes a base harder to raid? Absolutely not. Also, some bunkers add alot of cost to bases build cost and upkeep. The cons and pro's even out. Bunkers sacrifice the space and movement room for a bigger base/team and that could let raiders get into the base a decent amount before the group even gets out. Also, in a big base, it typically won't matter if you have a bunker because most teams will pummel or go through walls. Why fix a very minor issue that greatly affects the game? Also if they messed with stability bunkers specifically it could ruin several building designs that don't even include bunkers. The state of the game is fine right now, especially since mainly groups will be spending that many rockets on a base and if a solo is raiding, there are serveral ways to avert from raiding a bunker base. Also solos can easily softside foundations to get into a bunker. The state of the game is fine right now, thats my opinion
@@KiTho06Bigger groups rarely use bunkers for a few reasons
1. They simply don't get raided very often, and if they do it's online raided and they can easily defend with their numbers.
2. It's a lot more clunky to manage loot from lots of loot rooms with more people.
3. Bunkers just don't work very well in larger bases.
If facepunch gets rid of bunkers, they need to do something avout offlining first. Dont blame the bsse designs theyre a symptom of a way bigger problem
Getting these younger guys to be the raiders reminds me of the trick or treaters from nightmare before Christmas.
Great video Sir and job well done to all of the participants.
Too he raiders you might just want to work on those coms skill and following target orders.
Idk man, but I just love these videos. One of the best content creators out there, making my day better!
A sub 30 sec build should be a 9 all around. Hugh's build was almost perfect and a 18/20 correctly reflects that.
Man that base is called the solo shell by swifty. That Ice lake base that's being built lol.
what if you did a build and raid competition, you give them material and scrap, they use scrap and materials to buy boom and hopefully purchase enough to raid the other teams base doing the same thing. i’m not certain how you’d set the price on boom/weapons
fun watch!
I disagree on the Bunker hate…biggest problem on Rust is Offlines, bunkers discourage offlines and raiders are encouraged to wait till a player is online so that there bunker is open…also if your offlineing a solo 2x1 you deserve to waste boom on my revo/pipey loot
So awesome!
I'm honestly debating wether we should count second raid, because while they did win, they gave up before and they proceeded only because you forced them to.
Is it really a win if they tried to surrender beforehand, but you didn't let them?
Look I completely see where he’s coming from with bunkers but in a game where everyone is loot scared and only offlines it’s the only defense 😂😂
Good job bro love the vid❤❤❤❤😊😊
Please give the guy who says "i got more hours" his medal.
He keeps on saying it and it starts to hurt my ears.
Nice vid 🔥
That one kid who keeps saying "I know this base" "100 percent a 2x1" "TC is on roof" he ain't no shit, clearly ain't a 5k hour player, most likely a bought account with the world's biggest ego.
Or just left the game open to flex hours
23:55 i wish he put chain link fences in those gaps under the shooting floor.
@Maxtwo its a honeycomb 2x2 shell for the record so from the outside it is a 2x2
you should do a vid where the defenders have 4 people and there's 12 raiders
"It's not the size that matters, it's how you use it, or defend with it from this context." - The Art of War, SunTzu 2023
You should do a video with a duo of most and least amount of hours in building and PvP. I wanna see how the raiding and defense is.
people love watching these videos because this is the only way to get Taskmaster vibes from Rust.
bro the big base at 20:30 looks like me in 2019 hahahaha
man this ducky guy 🤣
You may not like bunkers, but a lot of us have jobs and lives and can't be sweaty constantly on rust.
It allows us to play past the first couple days because the investment for most raiders isn't worth it.
Hey could you do another one dedicated to small medium and large or something like that also could you stay on a team with the defender always since it's a lot easier to see the attackers than the defenders
Tbh if this was my team we would’ve cargo fobbed both bases and just counted down to start rocketing and go for the middle/compound and just kept drilling in and half of us would be focused on shooting floor and the rest keep drilling to the core
remember the legacy towers back in 2014 i think. the taller the tower the harder it was to raid.
I love you bro i know your going to get big in youtube
Merry chrysler
You should do the reverse and see if hours matter raiding with different types of bases
When you said "its not going to be 20 rockets i can tell you that for sure " for some reason i thought you meant it would be less idk why but then i see they got 80 rockets and i was like holy shit thats not what i was expexting lmao
“My mouse died” 😂
Bunkers are the best thing for solos we build something big Zerg at your footsteps or offlined
You should have called it does size matter 😂
Do a series which requires a wheel.
You would spin it first for the amount materials you have and what materials like wood stone sheet and hqm and then like how long they have to build it which would range from 10 mins to 1 hour 30
Then like how many doors they have so on
Bro you should def do a console series of this that would be amazing
Merry Christmas, hope you have a good one. hopefully some day i can take part in a small creator growing insanely fast! anyway hope you have a nice christmas and a good new year!
you should make a vid where its some returning plays who havent played in like a year or so but they have high hours vs people with like 700hrs or sum but they have been playing recently so they know all the metas and everything and are warmed up with guns spray and its just online raid they each build a base and raid eachother, would be interesting
Bunkers should remain as long as people offline
Man I fucking love your videos, I dont even play rust anymore but watching your videos just bring me joy lol idk how else to explain it keep it up man!
I’d almost always choose to go through the back wall where tc is definitely
“1 year of game time - 375 days”
Yeah the kid that swore the tc was on the roof of the "2x1"....his REAL hours definitely show, absolutely bricked in raiding
I have to say as someone with a fair few hrs who works I think bunkers are a good thing I can't be on at all times and no offence to anyone but pop a ore tea won't take 2 secs to farm enough sulf to get a nice supply of boom. Obvs I love bunkers and only thing I ever build but if people are gonna offline then bunkers should be allowed. No one these days has the balls to online
these guys must have boosted their hours lol
merry christmas
Base design: *P S Y C H O L O G I C A L W A R F A R E*
I think this Ducky was in my previous group, great player if it's the same guy.
Can you do a video of you making a base then defending the raid?
The bigger the better, the more chunks to remove the more time you got. although you gotta have the team willing to work for the upkeep. small well layered works, however in the end you'll loose vs that zerg that doesn't care and zero's your base anyway.
i think if the builders had more time and actually completed their bases, this would be more interesting, it was fun, but it was clear both stopped building at like 80% complete, and both bases had major pieces missing
Like you said tho if those foundations are still sheet metal you can soft side them
W videos wish FMG ppl where the raiders tho
Am literally building the small base oldmate built on a console server as I watch this, interested in how it goes