I worked in the parts department of a VW dealer back in the mid 70s. It had been in business since the late 50s. I remember there were some brake shoe materials ready to be riveted to the metal still there, but we never used them.
I recently had several pairs of motorcycle and van drum brake shoes relined by Industrial and Automotive Friction Services who are between Hitchin and Arlesey in the UK.
The same place where the people who rebuilt generators, starters and alternators went. Just like getting shoes repaired or resoled it keeps getting hard to find someone every year.
Looking at the inner surface of the shoes, it appears there are brass rivets, even under the 'layered' shoe. I would look for material of the desired thickness, and use that. If nothing else get rid of the glued-on material as it likely will not stay if the brakes ever get hot. Back when, bonded shoes were suspect, anf then riveted became the ones to avoid as you got more wear without the rivets rubbing against the drum inner. Doing the friction replacement is not hard, but you will perhaps have to cut the material and drill the holes for the rivets. Not fun, but when I was a teen, brakes were regularly ground to fit without use of masks and I am still kicking at 76.
Mark, Doesn't surprise me about the lack of local relining places. You might need to send the shoes to a specialty place? I too would look at Hemmings for leads. However, I would first talk to some local truck and trailer repair places. They might have a better handle on who can reline, since drum brakes are still common on trucks and trailers. A possible alternate avenue is to find out who the original supplier was to Peugeot, could be a common part with other cars. Not so far fetched, since the brakes on my old former Volvo 544 were common Bendix parts as used on Studebakers.
Those brake linings appear to be woven linings that were used on North America cars in the teens and into the early thirties. They were held on with brass tubular rivets. I would say you are going to have a tough time finding a company to install bonded linings on an rare Peugeot. Woven linings do work as long as they are not oil soaked , you just have to adjust them so they arn't dragging. A light car like the Peugeot will stop fine . McMaster Carr still sells woven brake lining for old car restorations. Always enjoy your video's.
Hope the axle threads didn't mushroom😬... Use the axle nut to protect against that. I had a 54 Hudson Jetliner once & had the shoes relined for it back in the mid 2000s. They sandblasted & repainted the cores & added new brake pad material With countersunk rivets & also used a machine to arc grind the shoes match the inner drum diameter after the drums were turned in a drum lathe. The place that did it is burned down now & the radiator shop that I took the gas tank to get boiled out went out of business too. They built a neighborhood around it & then did not meet the new enviromental safty standards... Along time ago I saw a show about the old 50's cars of Havana Cuba & how they still keep them running over there. It's quite amazing what parts that they re make, They had a guy that would re make windshields from flat laminated glass laid over a mold in his front yard & then there was an old guy that relined brake shoes... He talked about asbestos & Said he knew it was bad but people over there would still keep the cars running best they could, what are they gonna do? Wonder if He's still arround... MacGyver's!
In my country, you can get heavy duty shoes for commercial vehicles re-lined. Clutches too. But I don't think that you can get shoes or disc pads for cars re-lined anymore. Too, most modern cars come with discs at the rear. We import lots of used JDM vehicles from Japan and some carry shoes, for which replacement from the parts store is not a problem. For a 1948 Peugeot, it may be a problem even in France ! Trinidad & Tobago. West Indies.
Are you sure the brake problem isn't old rubber hydraulic brake hoses that have collapsed internally and are keeping the brakes "on" by not allowing the pressure to release?
There is an antique car restoration facility close to here called White Post Restorations. They are usually listed in Jennings for their brake specialties notably boring and sleeping brake cylinders. They have been in business for decades and have done cars as old as Stanley Steamers. They have also done a Stout Sarah and many Cords. I have no connection with them but have toured the facility during an open house. First class shop. I have no idea about pricing. In the 70s when I would service the rear drums on my Peugeot station wagon I could choose either complete shoes ready to mount or the linings and rivets at a small fraction of the cost. This was significant to a starting family and a hand rivet tool was cheap. I put almost 200,000 miles on the car and never had any issues with the linings but I was amazed that anyone offered this by this time. Today we have gone to a disposable whatever is fastest mind set. Replace brushes on an alternator or starter or blower motor? HA! Just get a new one. I will have to add that modern starters are much better than the older ones.
I live in Christchurch, New Zealand and in our small city we have 2 at least, classic and vintage car restoration specialists. One at least is just on the edge of the city centre CBD ("downtown") and Hagley Park. I went through there many years ago, they have a system where you can sign in to a visitor's book, and visit and walk through and speak to some of the guys there. As our NZ $ is only worth about 60 US cents, it made it cost effective for many Americans to have cars shipped here, restored (in a Western World environment with applicable quality control) and rebuilt, then shipped back again. They also built up from scratch some "Replicars" where the car was entirely new components but styled like a vintage car, but with modern safer brakes etc. One car I saw being worked on had a straight 8 cylinder engine, with a long cylinder block obviously. I said how I'd heard the reason why they went to Vee 8's in the 1930's, was because of reliability issues, with the torsional forces on such a long crankshaft, so how did they manage ? The guy replied that they could still buy brand new straight 8 engines from a factory somewhere, but being constructed with modern metals to superior standards etc, so it wasn't an issue with new straight 8's.
I’m with you BUT why pay some guy to rebuild a transmission get a half asses warranty when you can go buy a transmission for almost the same cost and a 3 year warranty? Make it make sense
You just caused me to look. The people I used to use Saftek are still going. But Cleckheaton in West Yorkshire is probably a bit far for you. Nice to have companies that you trust.
In the Late 70's and through the 1980's the garage I worked at had a brake shoe riveting machine and we had brake lining and would do that for people with old cars but the machine and lining was auctioned off when the owner passed away in 2001 and I have no idea where that machine and the rivets went too or who owns it now
find one that has closed and buy the left over material and tools he used and do it on your own… the times for well running businesses like that are over…
Im Happy I retired 6 years ago, new stuff requiring "Special" tools, special scanners,,, lack of parts, and why the heck would a car co, have to run the windows thou the computer system??
Absolutely NO. In germany, nearly ALL manufacturers are shifting back to comb. engines. BMW was smart, they hold thier engineers and they produced them continously. Volkswagen made a big mistake. They shift Emden (north germany) and other factory plants to EV ONLY (what a madness!) I heared that GM in the US made 10 Billions losses with EV. A Diesel (Rudolf Diesel, Augsburg Family) made a great machine which has an efficiency of 50% today! Ship Diesel 2 stroke are even better!
Congratulations on reaching 98.5 k subs, Mark! I'm pulling for you to hit 100k soon. You've more than earned it.
I worked in the parts department of a VW dealer back in the mid 70s. It had been in business since the late 50s. I remember there were some brake shoe materials ready to be riveted to the metal still there, but we never used them.
I recently had several pairs of motorcycle and van drum brake shoes relined by Industrial and Automotive Friction Services who are between Hitchin and Arlesey in the UK.
The same place where the people who rebuilt generators, starters and alternators went. Just like getting shoes repaired or resoled it keeps getting hard to find someone every year.
Looking at the inner surface of the shoes, it appears there are brass rivets, even under the 'layered' shoe. I would look for material of the desired thickness, and use that. If nothing else get rid of the glued-on material as it likely will not stay if the brakes ever get hot. Back when, bonded shoes were suspect, anf then riveted became the ones to avoid as you got more wear without the rivets rubbing against the drum inner. Doing the friction replacement is not hard, but you will perhaps have to cut the material and drill the holes for the rivets. Not fun, but when I was a teen, brakes were regularly ground to fit without use of masks and I am still kicking at 76.
Mark,
Doesn't surprise me about the lack of local relining places. You might need to send the shoes to a specialty place? I too would look at Hemmings for leads.
However, I would first talk to some local truck and trailer repair places. They might have a better handle on who can reline, since drum brakes are still common on trucks and trailers.
A possible alternate avenue is to find out who the original supplier was to Peugeot, could be a common part with other cars. Not so far fetched, since the brakes on my old former Volvo 544 were common Bendix parts as used on Studebakers.
I wouldn't be touching asbestos brakes without a respirator and gloves
Please be careful when handling asbestos.
That stuff's nasty.
Sometimes they need to arced after reclining to insure contact with the drums. Good luck!
Maybe it is a trade you can learn to keep it alive. The old machinery must be dirt cheap as the trade goes away. Just a thought.
Those brake linings appear to be woven linings that were used on North America cars in the teens and into the early thirties. They were held on with brass tubular rivets. I would say you are going to have a tough time finding a company to install bonded linings on an rare Peugeot. Woven linings do work as long as they are not oil soaked , you just have to adjust them so they arn't dragging. A light car like the Peugeot will stop fine .
McMaster Carr still sells woven brake lining for old car restorations. Always enjoy your video's.
Ott's in Portland is long gone...
Hope the axle threads didn't mushroom😬... Use the axle nut to protect against that. I had a 54 Hudson Jetliner once & had the shoes relined for it back in the mid 2000s. They sandblasted & repainted the cores & added new brake pad material With countersunk rivets & also used a machine to arc grind the shoes match the inner drum diameter after the drums were turned in a drum lathe. The place that did it is burned down now & the radiator shop that I took the gas tank to get boiled out went out of business too. They built a neighborhood around it & then did not meet the new enviromental safty standards... Along time ago I saw a show about the old 50's cars of Havana Cuba & how they still keep them running over there. It's quite amazing what parts that they re make, They had a guy that would re make windshields from flat laminated glass laid over a mold in his front yard & then there was an old guy that relined brake shoes... He talked about asbestos & Said he knew it was bad but people over there would still keep the cars running best they could, what are they gonna do? Wonder if He's still arround... MacGyver's!
In my country, you can get heavy duty shoes for commercial vehicles re-lined. Clutches too. But I don't think that you can get shoes or disc pads for cars re-lined anymore. Too, most modern cars come with discs at the rear.
We import lots of used JDM vehicles from Japan and some carry shoes, for which replacement from the parts store is not a problem.
For a 1948 Peugeot, it may be a problem even in France !
Trinidad & Tobago.
West Indies.
Are you sure the brake problem isn't old rubber hydraulic brake hoses that have collapsed internally and are keeping the brakes "on" by not allowing the pressure to release?
All new brake hoses, had them rebuilt.
There is an antique car restoration facility close to here called White Post Restorations. They are usually listed in Jennings for their brake specialties notably boring and sleeping brake cylinders. They have been in business for decades and have done cars as old as Stanley Steamers. They have also done a Stout Sarah and many Cords. I have no connection with them but have toured the facility during an open house. First class shop. I have no idea about pricing.
In the 70s when I would service the rear drums on my Peugeot station wagon I could choose either complete shoes ready to mount or the linings and rivets at a small fraction of the cost. This was significant to a starting family and a hand rivet tool was cheap. I put almost 200,000 miles on the car and never had any issues with the linings but I was amazed that anyone offered this by this time.
Today we have gone to a disposable whatever is fastest mind set. Replace brushes on an alternator or starter or blower motor? HA! Just get a new one.
I will have to add that modern starters are much better than the older ones.
Jennings should be Hemmings, stupid autocorrect.
I live in Christchurch, New Zealand and in our small city we have 2 at least, classic and vintage car restoration specialists. One at least is just on the edge of the city centre CBD ("downtown") and Hagley Park. I went through there many years ago, they have a system where you can sign in to a visitor's book, and visit and walk through and speak to some of the guys there.
As our NZ $ is only worth about 60 US cents, it made it cost effective for many Americans to have cars shipped here, restored (in a Western World environment with applicable quality control) and rebuilt, then shipped back again.
They also built up from scratch some "Replicars" where the car was entirely new components but styled like a vintage car, but with modern safer brakes etc.
One car I saw being worked on had a straight 8 cylinder engine, with a long cylinder block obviously. I said how I'd heard the reason why they went to Vee 8's in the 1930's, was because of reliability issues, with the torsional forces on such a long crankshaft, so how did they manage ? The guy replied that they could still buy brand new straight 8 engines from a factory somewhere, but being constructed with modern metals to superior standards etc, so it wasn't an issue with new straight 8's.
good old days are gone like carb shops, transmission shops and generator alt starter shops ETC
I’m with you BUT why pay some guy to rebuild a transmission get a half asses warranty when you can go buy a transmission for almost the same cost and a 3 year warranty? Make it make sense
Take the original backing plates and reline them with a similer lining ! You can do this with pads also !
Malmesbury in South Africa brakes and clutch plates
You just caused me to look. The people I used to use Saftek are still going. But Cleckheaton in West Yorkshire is probably a bit far for you.
Nice to have companies that you trust.
Hard to get parts for a 1948 Peugeot. Only one Hyundai dealer in the UK, holds a part I needed for my 2010 Santa Fe. Had to resort to car breakers.
That industry has mostly gone overseas.
No… that industry is just gone. All the old guys stopped and went Into retirement. Here in Europe it is the same thing.
In the Late 70's and through the 1980's the garage I worked at had a brake shoe riveting machine and we had brake lining and would do that for people with old cars but the machine and lining was auctioned off when the owner passed away in 2001 and I have no idea where that machine and the rivets went too or who owns it now
Good luck! What a shame...
find one that has closed and buy the left over material and tools he used and do it on your own…
the times for well running businesses like that are over…
City brake and clutch in Oklahoma City best there is
"Where Did All the Brake Shoe Reliners Go?" - they probably got finished off by all the asbestos!
Yup
I’ve seen on Instagram random videos of people in Pakistan relining brakes on commercial vehicles at roadside repair shops 😵💫
you can thank e.p.a. for that.
Perhaps you should contact the local Peugeot club, someone there might have an idea who still rebuilds them.
There's no local Peugeot club. Not sure if even in the Entire USA .
when working with (possibly) asbestos brake lining you should be really careful - at the very least wear a mask.
Whitepost restorations does that.
I always thought Ott’s Friction Supply up there by (Columbia Blvd?) did this sort of thing.
Otts Friction sold out years ago
Who needs brakes when you can walk at the same pace as your 3 steering wheel 2 engine 42 desoto lawnmower...
My peugeot rcz r works just fine, made in Austria. 😊
Willwood brake disk conversion time? (I'm joking)
270 x 35 x 5
220 x 35 x 5
Same as 403 and 404 rears. Any help?
Im Happy I retired 6 years ago, new stuff requiring "Special" tools, special scanners,,, lack of parts, and why the heck would a car co, have to run the windows thou the computer system??
Do you subscribe to Hemmings?
They’re all doing horse shoes now…
Covid 19 it seems to have made people lazy too
Just so sad. Ev cars are taking over the marked😢
Yes, not a bad thing. Classic cars will always be around
Absolutely NO.
In germany, nearly ALL manufacturers are shifting back to comb. engines.
BMW was smart, they hold thier engineers and they produced them continously.
Volkswagen made a big mistake. They shift Emden (north germany) and other factory plants to EV ONLY (what a madness!)
I heared that GM in the US made 10 Billions losses with EV.
A Diesel (Rudolf Diesel, Augsburg Family) made a great machine which has an efficiency of 50% today! Ship Diesel 2 stroke are even better!