There's no difference between a person with good wifi and a wired connection. People who have terrible wifi shouldn't be playing online but yet they do. It's just funny that people think every single person using wifi has a bad connection when that's not true and it shows that people are oldheads not realizing just how much wireless tech has evolved in just the past 10 years alone lol
@@ADreamingTraveler you must collect government assistance for mental disability. If you don't, you're leaving money on the table. Wifi can and will never be anywhere near as stable and fast as a wired connection. It's not a technical limitation; it's due to physics.
@@osrstileironbondi think the main point is that in practice, in an online fighting game session, good wifi feels just as good as wired these days. If you run tests it’ll appear differently for sure but most players wouldn’t notice if the icon wasn’t there in game
online was laggy back then so calling someone an online warrior also insinuated that they were latency abusers (often true) there are some players that were read-based online warriors, and when they came to tournaments they just went crazy cuz now they could also react to everything lol
Before Rivals of Aether got rollback netcode, my first IRL event was life changing because it was the first time I had ever truly felt the shackles of delay-based netcode removed from my body. I could whiff punish attacks I previously considered too fast to punish, I could d.i. a lot more consistently, I could tech on reaction, and after an adjustment period my movement was way faster. It's kinda nuts how different games feel, even rollback makes reacting to things harder due to how they usually handle the startup of most attacks.
Playing with people you know instead of ranked makes all the difference. If you get hit with something nasty in ranked you hate your life. If you see one of the boys getting better and catch you with something slick you get hyped for them. Mental wear and tear of the ranked “grind” is also a huge factor on a lot of people going from liking a game to complaining online about it nonstop lol.
3:22 I'm pretty isolated from local FGC stuff. My friend who got me into SF6 went to EVO this year and came back telling me about this group he met who have a small, private FGC Discord. Skill levels varied but he told me they were really chill and supportive of new players. I nervously hopped in one week and it's been a blast ever since! Sparring with cool people is way more fun than ranked. Would recommend.
Your rank should just be there to make your games better. The whole purpose of rank is to keep you from playing against people who will instantly slaughter you or who won't provide any challenge at all. Your rank is there to help facilitate the game, the game doesn't exist just as a mechanism to hand out ranks. People don't really see it that way though, and it's not just them; the game itself often attaches some value to higher ranks. You are meant to desire the higher ones. It's good in that ranking up is correlated with improvement, but I feel like people still focus too much on specific ranks. It's a pretty normal thing to do across tons of different games at least, even if I'm not sure it's the best way to look at things.
It's been real interesting with Tekken seeing people note how much better they feel playing ranked when using that serenity mod, cus it just goes to show how for a lot of players, they actually wouldn't get that invested if it weren't for the game's influence. The shiny pngs, showing how many points you won/lost and how much closer/farther that puts you from the next rank, letting you know the next match is a promotion/demotion, you take it all away and suddenly ranked loses its grip on people.
@@ShineChromaticaif anything, Strive has the issue of making the "ranked" mode feel casual and somewhat pointless Once you reach a certain skill level, there just isn't much incentive to keep grinding in Celestial. It's too easy to call yourself a "Celestial Player"
Exactly people want the title but not what comes with it. What's the point of being a Master ranked if you can't even compete there. The game would get boring so quick if you're just getting destroyed playing people out of your league.
Brian F just did a mini retrospective of sorts on playing SFIV, and I think the shoddy online net code coupled with the one frame links of the game did make for a very different game than we have today. I wasn't super good at SFIV, but even I could tell the difference between local play and online back in the day- particularly when that "Online Warrior" was actually a "Wi-Fi Warrior". I think most of those issues have dissipated with SF6, but there is still a difference between merely having a high rank and having professional level play.
also worth noting is how pro players with low or no rank are looked upon favorably by the community because it looks “cool” that they only train with other strong players and don’t grind ranked
@@Boyzby that is true but realistically if you're a competitor you only need to know how to beat that small pool of players lol. and the professionals that this is true for are the kinds of players that are genuinely so far beyond the average master-ranked player that playing ranked would offer them literally no benefit in terms of training. the reason why more pros play ranked now is because of the addition of legend rank and the MR system which allows them to face each other more frequently. in sfv however, it was very common for japanese pros especially to never play ranked and have their accounts be in rookie.
I am one of those people who only plays with higher level players and never grind rank and can confirm it's not seen as "cool." At most,people will just say it's BS and move on. On worse you'll be called a "Smurf" despite it being your own account and you just never touch ranked.
@@Dhampire1976 but people can clearly see the quantity of matches on your cfn. I always look at match count of my super superior opponents to make sure I’m not going crazy when I feel like I don’t know what hit me lol If they have a few dozen matches matches but PP everything and had amazing footsies and the lot, then I know they are on an alt or smurfing. Since I’m mid Plat now, it’s more likely to be a regular alt or a character they hadn’t touched in a while.
The online/offline thing used to happen a lot in poker. If you were a good online player, your wins would get downplayed into the ground. It's less common now, but it still happens. I guess every community is the same.
@@SoberRamen In person Poker feels very different especially at the casual and semi pro levels. Being in a room or next to someone you're trying to bluff or is trying to bluff you is a different experience than over the internet even when face cams are used. Not saying it is right to downplay successful online players but that is the reasoning behind it.
Sajam vids are one of my favorite things to put on while eating on working out. Its nice to listen to, mic quality is high, he doesn’t talk to fast. It’s wonderful. Can’t wait to watch some more watchalongs during cardio
The reverse was also true where someone only went to locals and hardly played online so their online rank was lower but they were still a killer to such a degree where it seemed like they were just smurfing.
I've been following the FGC since SF4 but never played offline or went to locals until about a month ago and I went to ECT this year and my locals. I've never had more fun playing. Sajam is spitting
I wanna legit thank you for this video. I never look down on others for their rank but I def play nothin but ranked outside of my locals. All it does is cause me misery and self doubt of my own abilities. Starting from the next time I play games, I am only gonna look for long sets when I play online. Ranked just trashes my self confidence and I never have any fun. I wanna play to learn and get better but I don't think ranked is ever going to help me with that. Again, I appreciate this vid a lot and thank you for it. Keep up the good stuff dude.
Like it matters. People on reddit are always trying to invalidate your thoughts if you’re a lower rank than them. None of my opinions have changed since my beginner unranked days until now Plat 4 and still moving up. Literally hasn’t made any difference in my thought process. I get a lot of shit sometimes for my opinions but idgaf it hasn’t stopped me from improving.
@@ismaeljrp1Well that depends on what your opinion is and what the topic is about. The reason why people regard higher rank players opinion more valuable is because they understand the game better, that's just a fact. As an example, if you silver and trying to say that the game balance is bad, yeah people will disregard that. Because at that level you don't even understand each character strength or weaknesses yet so how could you make a correct assessment about balance ?
@@VerGiLL1 Naw that's bullshit. If the opinion is good and the advice is good, there ain't no problems. Doesn't matter if it's "not coming from someone higher rank". That's because rank systems don't reward people who try to learn and understand the game. Rank systems are just a VERY loose representation of skill level. Doesn't stop people from winquitting, lagging on purpose, wintrading, etc.
@@decksteroussnail Sure if the advice is good is fine, that's is why i said people regard high rank players opinion more vaulable and didn't say that every low rank player opinion is invalid. Rank system absolutly reward people who try to learn and understand the game. People who try to "trick" the system will plateu sooner or later. Sure there are exceptions of people who will continue to try to trick the system, but that's beside the point. Someone that's stuck at gold is because they clearly don't understand the game at a fundamentall level, is not because the rest of the player base is winquitting, lagging on purpose, wintrading. That is a delusional statement.
The general rule is that rank doesn't actually start to matter until you reach a high enough competitive ceiling where you're going around near pro-level matches already where all the game's mechanics are put to the tightest test and challenge but even then it's not a guarantee. For a game like DotA, these start with the Divine rank which are ranks with +4620 MMR.
I was just telling my training partner about this type of stuff. We frequent reddit A LOT and while I love the FGC as a whole, the importance they put on your ranked is mind blowing. This was my first SF I ever learned with 6 so at first I was just focused on learning and having fun. I only set a goal to reach Diamond at the highest for my first game. After I reached it, I went back to having fun with it because ranked became more of a grind then learning. I’ve learned the game better from playing with people in other modes than to chase a badge under my name. I think ranked anxiety comes from these expectations and people wanting to feel like their opinion is valid within the community. I want to actually learn the game and I told my training partner not to worry about his rank so much. Most people are playing and learning or playing and just grinding. Very rare to see people do both. I don’t know what would help people stop being so judgmental of those silly points but I’m glad you guys who play super well and have a platform speaks on this topic for us regular folks just tryna play a game we love.
It didn't help that every fighting game had the worst ranking system ever. In most of them the highest rank came from just grinding a lot rather than being able to beat everyone else.
That last point is part of what I found sick about 2xko, I could have that competitive experience with beating on randoms while still chillin with my homie and crackin jokes etc. Best of both worlds
Bro that’s the realest shit ever said. If you only play ranked fighters are miserable. I’m D4 I wanna go for master but the way losing ranked matches make me feel I just gave up. I don’t play sf to rage and throw my controller
"Let me give you a history lesson" *talks about the years I was in high school for* T_T Haven't been actively playing fighters since, but got the chance this past weekend to go to a local arcade, and there was a dude sat at a Persona cabinet. My Teddie went 0-17 but man, it sure was nice to play a game I haven't touched in so long :)
My understanding of 'online warrior' is people developing/abusing strategies and playstyles that essentially rely on the online being not good. I think many games have such good online nowadays that you can't really throw this pseudo insult around anymore. Except in my honest opinion for Tekken 8. The online is still not good enough, things can often feels inconsistent.
My first offline tournament was a local at Arcade Odyssey in Miami, FL (yes *that* one) in 2014. It was originally supposed to be for 3S and SF4, but there weren't enough people so they just ran 3S on an arcade cabinet. My Q was washed (I blame the busted 2P joystick), but after I just sat down on SF4 for a couple hours and got to play against a few people, one being Brian F's Zangief. My transition from an online warrior to a local attender was such a life changing moment in my attitude towards fighting games. Even though it was a 2 hour trip for me, it taught me that just like Whose Line, the points don't matter. What matters is playing and having fun beating or getting beat by the human on the other end. I don't really talk to many people outside of my small friend group when I attend events today, but there's very few things in life that beat the feeling of being in a room full of people enjoying the same hobby and games.
And by the way, that experience had me transitioning from a PS3 on a giant big box TV. Imagine my shock at how different it felt to play on an XBOX 360 on a low latency monitor.
I just started going to locals this summer and funny enough EVO was my first offline tournament lol I’m a diamond 2 Gief mainly cuz I don’t grind rank like that but I always feel like I play better in person than online! I think it’s cuz I can put a face on who my opponent is and it just makes them more relatable so when the set is over we had fun and just talk and get to know each other a bit lol
The only time I remember online warrior being used for someone back then positively was Cloud805 but that's only because he was an online warrior and then got like 5th at Evo in Marvel. Definitely a different time now. At least the online in games is usually not completely terrible anymore.
Yeah for me ranked is just a quick and easy way to find a match. It's really only shown to the player to give them a carrot to chase. It'd probably work better for actually making the game fun if it was hidden from everyone. I wish I could just hide my rank, I just play to see the coolest moves. So for me the game is mainly me trying to setup my favorite combos, not the most optimal or highest damage, just the animations and VFX I like the most. So instead of steamrolling someone I'll happily extend a match to a 3rd round just to build more meter and maybe see a SA3. I say it's not about the win it's about how cool you look doing it.
I don't even remember the name of the person who had the most points in SFV (I think they had "box" in their name), because why would I remember them? Like, ranked games and points mean nothing because there's nothing at stake. Even winning like $20 at a local I feel like has more value than having the most points.
i play next to only ranked in Fighting games and i still dont find it to be miserable. I dont stress my rank to much and think its just a reflection, in the long run, of whether i get better or not
Guess I'll never be considered good at a game because I don't want to play offline simply due to the fact that I hate travelling and my locals just isn't fun.
Im sure you've heard about the new Tracklock site update for Deadlock- people been going crazy over their MMR as if it defines what a valid player is. Impossible to have discourse about the game without someone asking about NekoScore now. I think thats just gamer culture in general is too cooked with needing to be the best we stopped just improving for fun. Like yea I like when my number goes up, but like where it is shouldnt matter, thats just a way to give me better matches. People try everything to inflate their MMR and then complain about bad matchmaking and the opponents are too good like ??? you wanted that.
Honestly I still don't care about online warriors or online tournaments. Even if netcode is better in most cases, it's still not the same as playing locally. I wouldn't play online at all if I could be at my locals every day.
in the ancient, ANCIENT time before time, online warrior meant someone who knew how to hack up a vpn solution to their saturn/dreamcast/og xbox, and were truly the most thirsty for online play before it was ready for prime time. Great to have this video to point to now to back up what i've been saying all along about rank. I got 40 years on geif and if my rank keeps you from considering my advice, "chump don't want da help, chump don't get da help." It's fun surprising a master rank with a loss, although in all honestly, they beat me far more often than I beat them. I know what I'd be capable of if I had the time to play like I did when I was younger. You've said it before I'm sure, but there's just too much statistical variance to be had in best of 3 matches, something like best of 10 is far more representative of who's actually better on a given day.
It doesn't help that there's a ton of "what your rank says about you" videos out there, clickbait content that can lead newer players to think fighting games are about the jpeg next to your name. I figure if someone wants to find out how good I am they can just play me
I'm just gonna say it. US players are ass compared to EU so the thing with nephew is not surprising, general skill is higher. 1700mr in us is like 1400 in eu
it can definitely be an annoying option select now. Crazy to hear myself say this because forever I was an offline only person, but hearing "it was just online" hits a little different now considering I think my PC version of the game on my 240 hz monitor runs it better on the internet than a tourney venue's offline PS4s 😐 Be great if that *wasn't* the case honestly but yeah
Most fighting games are locked to 60fps anyway though... Yknow, frame data and all. If you play a game with specific performance issues on console that's fair tho
@@PoppySquidJr it's not a matter of fps, but input delay/display lag, sometimes USB polling rates, etc. Yeah they all run 60, but often PC versions can process inputs a few frames faster with a good enough setup.
This is probably why I never cared for rank, I’d rather run 50 game sets. Online used to be horrible, couldn’t punish shit that was punishable offline and people would abuse it lol
Putting "no one Platinum or below" in my hinge profile
this is somehow less arbitrary than what people usually include in their hinge profiles
@@eebbaa5560 Solid
@@eebbaa5560 Hahaha yes. Too True.
After we get married you find out I play modern
Better than getting rejected because I'm a sagittarius honestly
"you gotta go to locals" girl i pulled up to locals sat down to play, picked honda, the dude literally unplugged his stick got up and walked away
that sounds far more entertaining than just having someone plug on you online
I've played Sol at locals in season 1 of Strive, I'm sure you'll find players
Do it until they adapt or quit.
Easy dub
Honestly going to a local to play Honda is kinda wild
today's "wifi warrior" was 09's "online warrior"
Actually really true lol
There's no difference between a person with good wifi and a wired connection. People who have terrible wifi shouldn't be playing online but yet they do. It's just funny that people think every single person using wifi has a bad connection when that's not true and it shows that people are oldheads not realizing just how much wireless tech has evolved in just the past 10 years alone lol
@@ADreamingTraveler you must collect government assistance for mental disability. If you don't, you're leaving money on the table. Wifi can and will never be anywhere near as stable and fast as a wired connection. It's not a technical limitation; it's due to physics.
@ADreamingTraveler look into "packet loss"
@@osrstileironbondi think the main point is that in practice, in an online fighting game session, good wifi feels just as good as wired these days. If you run tests it’ll appear differently for sure but most players wouldn’t notice if the icon wasn’t there in game
online was laggy back then so calling someone an online warrior also insinuated that they were latency abusers (often true)
there are some players that were read-based online warriors, and when they came to tournaments they just went crazy cuz now they could also react to everything lol
Before Rivals of Aether got rollback netcode, my first IRL event was life changing because it was the first time I had ever truly felt the shackles of delay-based netcode removed from my body. I could whiff punish attacks I previously considered too fast to punish, I could d.i. a lot more consistently, I could tech on reaction, and after an adjustment period my movement was way faster. It's kinda nuts how different games feel, even rollback makes reacting to things harder due to how they usually handle the startup of most attacks.
reload ky players didn't give af
Smug definitely comes to mind as a player who started grinding online and really rocked people’s shit at NLBC with dudley.
Playing with people you know instead of ranked makes all the difference. If you get hit with something nasty in ranked you hate your life. If you see one of the boys getting better and catch you with something slick you get hyped for them. Mental wear and tear of the ranked “grind” is also a huge factor on a lot of people going from liking a game to complaining online about it nonstop lol.
i don’t have friends 🗿
Sounds like a personal issue!
It do be like that
This 100%, I hate playing ranked in Plat but I love playing against the guys from my scene in Room and they're all Master
@@eebbaa5560I've made a few friends through going to custom room after a good set, give that a try
Smug is the classic example - for years he was the beast of Xbox Live, but people never gave him credit until he started winning offline
3:22 I'm pretty isolated from local FGC stuff. My friend who got me into SF6 went to EVO this year and came back telling me about this group he met who have a small, private FGC Discord. Skill levels varied but he told me they were really chill and supportive of new players. I nervously hopped in one week and it's been a blast ever since! Sparring with cool people is way more fun than ranked. Would recommend.
Glad to live in an era where we need to remind people fighting games had bad online back in the day
kinda wild ngl, back then ppl thought it would never get here lol
If only we could remind them that fighting games used to have more content, more things to do than just go online and fight now.
Your rank should just be there to make your games better. The whole purpose of rank is to keep you from playing against people who will instantly slaughter you or who won't provide any challenge at all. Your rank is there to help facilitate the game, the game doesn't exist just as a mechanism to hand out ranks.
People don't really see it that way though, and it's not just them; the game itself often attaches some value to higher ranks. You are meant to desire the higher ones. It's good in that ranking up is correlated with improvement, but I feel like people still focus too much on specific ranks. It's a pretty normal thing to do across tons of different games at least, even if I'm not sure it's the best way to look at things.
It's been real interesting with Tekken seeing people note how much better they feel playing ranked when using that serenity mod, cus it just goes to show how for a lot of players, they actually wouldn't get that invested if it weren't for the game's influence. The shiny pngs, showing how many points you won/lost and how much closer/farther that puts you from the next rank, letting you know the next match is a promotion/demotion, you take it all away and suddenly ranked loses its grip on people.
That's my issue with Strive and its "floor" system, it doesn't do that job well at all especially on the higher floors.
@@ShineChromaticaif anything, Strive has the issue of making the "ranked" mode feel casual and somewhat pointless
Once you reach a certain skill level, there just isn't much incentive to keep grinding in Celestial. It's too easy to call yourself a "Celestial Player"
Exactly people want the title but not what comes with it. What's the point of being a Master ranked if you can't even compete there. The game would get boring so quick if you're just getting destroyed playing people out of your league.
Brian F just did a mini retrospective of sorts on playing SFIV, and I think the shoddy online net code coupled with the one frame links of the game did make for a very different game than we have today. I wasn't super good at SFIV, but even I could tell the difference between local play and online back in the day- particularly when that "Online Warrior" was actually a "Wi-Fi Warrior".
I think most of those issues have dissipated with SF6, but there is still a difference between merely having a high rank and having professional level play.
also worth noting is how pro players with low or no rank are looked upon favorably by the community because it looks “cool” that they only train with other strong players and don’t grind ranked
Do people actually think that? Because you're gonna see more things against random people at high ranks than with a very small pool of players.
@@Boyzby that is true but realistically if you're a competitor you only need to know how to beat that small pool of players lol. and the professionals that this is true for are the kinds of players that are genuinely so far beyond the average master-ranked player that playing ranked would offer them literally no benefit in terms of training. the reason why more pros play ranked now is because of the addition of legend rank and the MR system which allows them to face each other more frequently. in sfv however, it was very common for japanese pros especially to never play ranked and have their accounts be in rookie.
I am one of those people who only plays with higher level players and never grind rank and can confirm it's not seen as "cool." At most,people will just say it's BS and move on. On worse you'll be called a "Smurf" despite it being your own account and you just never touch ranked.
@@eebbaa5560 yeh lots of them are streamers too and that stuff helps them a lot on that front. The best practice they get are from tournaments.
@@Dhampire1976 but people can clearly see the quantity of matches on your cfn. I always look at match count of my super superior opponents to make sure I’m not going crazy when I feel like I don’t know what hit me lol
If they have a few dozen matches matches but PP everything and had amazing footsies and the lot, then I know they are on an alt or smurfing. Since I’m mid Plat now, it’s more likely to be a regular alt or a character they hadn’t touched in a while.
The online/offline thing used to happen a lot in poker. If you were a good online player, your wins would get downplayed into the ground. It's less common now, but it still happens. I guess every community is the same.
I'm not familiar with Poker but it does not rely on good connection right? How is offline vs online different?
@@SoberRamen In person Poker feels very different especially at the casual and semi pro levels. Being in a room or next to someone you're trying to bluff or is trying to bluff you is a different experience than over the internet even when face cams are used. Not saying it is right to downplay successful online players but that is the reasoning behind it.
Every fighting game should make you sign a waiver before starting online which just says “Grinding Ranked is Miserable”
Sajam vids are one of my favorite things to put on while eating on working out. Its nice to listen to, mic quality is high, he doesn’t talk to fast. It’s wonderful. Can’t wait to watch some more watchalongs during cardio
The reverse was also true where someone only went to locals and hardly played online so their online rank was lower but they were still a killer to such a degree where it seemed like they were just smurfing.
I’m currently revisiting SF6. Been stuck on plat for weeks. Decided to play Casual and Hub matches for a bit and had a significant better time
I've been following the FGC since SF4 but never played offline or went to locals until about a month ago and I went to ECT this year and my locals. I've never had more fun playing. Sajam is spitting
I wanna legit thank you for this video. I never look down on others for their rank but I def play nothin but ranked outside of my locals. All it does is cause me misery and self doubt of my own abilities. Starting from the next time I play games, I am only gonna look for long sets when I play online. Ranked just trashes my self confidence and I never have any fun. I wanna play to learn and get better but I don't think ranked is ever going to help me with that. Again, I appreciate this vid a lot and thank you for it. Keep up the good stuff dude.
i only play quick match and i am way more relaxed about playing the game. i'll play ranked when i get points for the opponent DCing
being an online warrior is my goal 戦士
2:57 words to live by.
I always laugh when people give their rank before giving the advice replying to posts.
Like it matters. People on reddit are always trying to invalidate your thoughts if you’re a lower rank than them. None of my opinions have changed since my beginner unranked days until now Plat 4 and still moving up. Literally hasn’t made any difference in my thought process. I get a lot of shit sometimes for my opinions but idgaf it hasn’t stopped me from improving.
@@ismaeljrp1It's happened to me too, regardless how much I know of FGs no one cares cuz of my rank
@@ismaeljrp1Well that depends on what your opinion is and what the topic is about. The reason why people regard higher rank players opinion more valuable is because they understand the game better, that's just a fact.
As an example, if you silver and trying to say that the game balance is bad, yeah people will disregard that. Because at that level you don't even understand each character strength or weaknesses yet so how could you make a correct assessment about balance ?
@@VerGiLL1 Naw that's bullshit. If the opinion is good and the advice is good, there ain't no problems. Doesn't matter if it's "not coming from someone higher rank".
That's because rank systems don't reward people who try to learn and understand the game. Rank systems are just a VERY loose representation of skill level. Doesn't stop people from winquitting, lagging on purpose, wintrading, etc.
@@decksteroussnail Sure if the advice is good is fine, that's is why i said people regard high rank players opinion more vaulable and didn't say that every low rank player opinion is invalid. Rank system absolutly reward people who try to learn and understand the game. People who try to "trick" the system will plateu sooner or later.
Sure there are exceptions of people who will continue to try to trick the system, but that's beside the point. Someone that's stuck at gold is because they clearly don't understand the game at a fundamentall level, is not because the rest of the player base is winquitting, lagging on purpose, wintrading. That is a delusional statement.
Quarantine made everyone an online warrior.
The general rule is that rank doesn't actually start to matter until you reach a high enough competitive ceiling where you're going around near pro-level matches already where all the game's mechanics are put to the tightest test and challenge but even then it's not a guarantee. For a game like DotA, these start with the Divine rank which are ranks with +4620 MMR.
my secret is to just be bad
If you were featured on Gootecks and Mike Ross, you were an online warrior. That was like the Grammy for an online warrior
I was just telling my training partner about this type of stuff. We frequent reddit A LOT and while I love the FGC as a whole, the importance they put on your ranked is mind blowing. This was my first SF I ever learned with 6 so at first I was just focused on learning and having fun. I only set a goal to reach Diamond at the highest for my first game. After I reached it, I went back to having fun with it because ranked became more of a grind then learning. I’ve learned the game better from playing with people in other modes than to chase a badge under my name.
I think ranked anxiety comes from these expectations and people wanting to feel like their opinion is valid within the community. I want to actually learn the game and I told my training partner not to worry about his rank so much. Most people are playing and learning or playing and just grinding. Very rare to see people do both. I don’t know what would help people stop being so judgmental of those silly points but I’m glad you guys who play super well and have a platform speaks on this topic for us regular folks just tryna play a game we love.
It didn't help that every fighting game had the worst ranking system ever. In most of them the highest rank came from just grinding a lot rather than being able to beat everyone else.
That last point is part of what I found sick about 2xko, I could have that competitive experience with beating on randoms while still chillin with my homie and crackin jokes etc. Best of both worlds
Bro that’s the realest shit ever said.
If you only play ranked fighters are miserable.
I’m D4 I wanna go for master but the way losing ranked matches make me feel I just gave up. I don’t play sf to rage and throw my controller
"Let me give you a history lesson"
*talks about the years I was in high school for* T_T
Haven't been actively playing fighters since, but got the chance this past weekend to go to a local arcade, and there was a dude sat at a Persona cabinet. My Teddie went 0-17 but man, it sure was nice to play a game I haven't touched in so long :)
My excuse was definitely that the lag in French locals is higher trust
My understanding of 'online warrior' is people developing/abusing strategies and playstyles that essentially rely on the online being not good. I think many games have such good online nowadays that you can't really throw this pseudo insult around anymore. Except in my honest opinion for Tekken 8. The online is still not good enough, things can often feels inconsistent.
My first offline tournament was a local at Arcade Odyssey in Miami, FL (yes *that* one) in 2014. It was originally supposed to be for 3S and SF4, but there weren't enough people so they just ran 3S on an arcade cabinet. My Q was washed (I blame the busted 2P joystick), but after I just sat down on SF4 for a couple hours and got to play against a few people, one being Brian F's Zangief. My transition from an online warrior to a local attender was such a life changing moment in my attitude towards fighting games.
Even though it was a 2 hour trip for me, it taught me that just like Whose Line, the points don't matter. What matters is playing and having fun beating or getting beat by the human on the other end. I don't really talk to many people outside of my small friend group when I attend events today, but there's very few things in life that beat the feeling of being in a room full of people enjoying the same hobby and games.
And by the way, that experience had me transitioning from a PS3 on a giant big box TV. Imagine my shock at how different it felt to play on an XBOX 360 on a low latency monitor.
I just started going to locals this summer and funny enough EVO was my first offline tournament lol I’m a diamond 2 Gief mainly cuz I don’t grind rank like that but I always feel like I play better in person than online! I think it’s cuz I can put a face on who my opponent is and it just makes them more relatable so when the set is over we had fun and just talk and get to know each other a bit lol
We just call it playing the connection here
I actually didn't really notice that Online Warrior as a concept kinda went away, but it really did eh.
Dude at the end was looking for an excuse not to go out lmao
Perfect example Mvc2 Justin isn't close to no1 in rankings but is definitely top 2 if not 1 in the world at the game
Can confirm online warrior was a slur in the FGC in 2009 😂
The last restaurant I ate at, there was a robbery at the 711 I stopped at on my way home. I'm never eating at that restaurant again!
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The only time I remember online warrior being used for someone back then positively was Cloud805 but that's only because he was an online warrior and then got like 5th at Evo in Marvel. Definitely a different time now. At least the online in games is usually not completely terrible anymore.
Everything changed when the Rollback Nation attacked.
Sajam where did you get that tee from? Edit: I'm master rank pls respond.
Cloud805 was my favorite player that came from online and dominated with dante in Umvc3
Ninjakilla used to be an “online warrior.” Look at him now.
totally recommend if you aren't part of a discord for your character main to find one or find one if you want to try a new character
Interestingly Tekken players seem to be the most invested in the ranking system while having the worst online
I’m just happy to play people instead of the Braindead InputReading Computer.
Yeah for me ranked is just a quick and easy way to find a match. It's really only shown to the player to give them a carrot to chase. It'd probably work better for actually making the game fun if it was hidden from everyone.
I wish I could just hide my rank, I just play to see the coolest moves. So for me the game is mainly me trying to setup my favorite combos, not the most optimal or highest damage, just the animations and VFX I like the most. So instead of steamrolling someone I'll happily extend a match to a 3rd round just to build more meter and maybe see a SA3.
I say it's not about the win it's about how cool you look doing it.
I think this is very relatable to Starcraft as well. There are a lot of similarities between Starcraft and fighting games.
All the psychological stuff is similar but the games themselves are very different
That feel when no locals and no friends who are into fighting games...it really is ranked or nothing
I don't even remember the name of the person who had the most points in SFV (I think they had "box" in their name), because why would I remember them? Like, ranked games and points mean nothing because there's nothing at stake. Even winning like $20 at a local I feel like has more value than having the most points.
Trash box had a nice birdie..
Btw a Vega player named no name I think has more points now btw
@@chachawho435and absolutely noone cares😂
@@heroicsquirrel3195 I wasn’t disagreeing with you. I just wanted to add to your comment
@@chachawho435 add to what comment? Im just making a joke man
@@heroicsquirrel3195 thought I was replying to op my bad. yea I just wanted to post a fun fact.
i play next to only ranked in Fighting games and i still dont find it to be miserable. I dont stress my rank to much and think its just a reflection, in the long run, of whether i get better or not
if i lose against my friend, im a casual but if i win im above average
Guess I'll never be considered good at a game because I don't want to play offline simply due to the fact that I hate travelling and my locals just isn't fun.
Being "considered" good and actually being good are two different things. Who cares if you're not "considered" good by randos online?
UK called them "Bedroom champions".
i don’t have any friends 🗿
I got the message of the video
Nephew is trash
Thanks Sajam!
Now I want an Xbox Chat nostalgia episode. How awful would that be lmao
yo dats me
I've heard Shroud echo this same sentiment - you should never give a sh** about your rank. Have fun!
imagine having a scene or friends who play fighting games.
Im sure you've heard about the new Tracklock site update for Deadlock- people been going crazy over their MMR as if it defines what a valid player is. Impossible to have discourse about the game without someone asking about NekoScore now. I think thats just gamer culture in general is too cooked with needing to be the best we stopped just improving for fun. Like yea I like when my number goes up, but like where it is shouldnt matter, thats just a way to give me better matches. People try everything to inflate their MMR and then complain about bad matchmaking and the opponents are too good like ??? you wanted that.
Kinda US focused mentality too imo. Like here in Brazil it's online or nothing
Honestly I still don't care about online warriors or online tournaments. Even if netcode is better in most cases, it's still not the same as playing locally. I wouldn't play online at all if I could be at my locals every day.
MMR is just a number DendiFace
Another term worth looking at that isnt really used anymore but has similar connotations to the old "online warrior" label is "basement king"
in the ancient, ANCIENT time before time, online warrior meant someone who knew how to hack up a vpn solution to their saturn/dreamcast/og xbox, and were truly the most thirsty for online play before it was ready for prime time.
Great to have this video to point to now to back up what i've been saying all along about rank. I got 40 years on geif and if my rank keeps you from considering my advice, "chump don't want da help, chump don't get da help." It's fun surprising a master rank with a loss, although in all honestly, they beat me far more often than I beat them. I know what I'd be capable of if I had the time to play like I did when I was younger.
You've said it before I'm sure, but there's just too much statistical variance to be had in best of 3 matches, something like best of 10 is far more representative of who's actually better on a given day.
It doesn't help that there's a ton of "what your rank says about you" videos out there, clickbait content that can lead newer players to think fighting games are about the jpeg next to your name. I figure if someone wants to find out how good I am they can just play me
Everyone knows girls only want guys with skill, that's why we get our rank up 😂
Whats manon doing with the phantom wiener tho
I'm just gonna say it. US players are ass compared to EU so the thing with nephew is not surprising, general skill is higher. 1700mr in us is like 1400 in eu
it can definitely be an annoying option select now. Crazy to hear myself say this because forever I was an offline only person, but hearing "it was just online" hits a little different now considering I think my PC version of the game on my 240 hz monitor runs it better on the internet than a tourney venue's offline PS4s 😐
Be great if that *wasn't* the case honestly but yeah
Most fighting games are locked to 60fps anyway though... Yknow, frame data and all. If you play a game with specific performance issues on console that's fair tho
@@PoppySquidJr it's not a matter of fps, but input delay/display lag, sometimes USB polling rates, etc. Yeah they all run 60, but often PC versions can process inputs a few frames faster with a good enough setup.
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This is probably why I never cared for rank, I’d rather run 50 game sets. Online used to be horrible, couldn’t punish shit that was punishable offline and people would abuse it lol