Finally got his little champ! here's the link to get it at PC Componentes: www.pccomponentes.com/sapphire-pulse-amd-radeon-rx-7900-gre-gaming-oc-bulk-16gb-gddr6
you should make a video about amd and nvidia market share and stuff . there are lots fof miss information about it . i saw ppl talking about AMD is ded and its gona die on videocardz .
@@AncientGameplays yeah and they said 14gen Intel will kill Ryzen . . . And now Intel at this point is just a snake oil meme . Also while you are here at what price the 7900gre would be worth getting in today's market cuz it between the supers sooooooo I would love you have your opinion on this . 699€ is a bit to much for me for that GPU .
You were playing on ultrawide didnt you? If thats correct than 1080p was not 1920x1080, but it was 2560x1080 and also the 1440p was 3440x1440 which is way heavier than 2560x1440.
AMD should've released the 7900 GRE as the 7800 XT and the "7800 XT" as the 7800 non-XT. RDNA3 has lost the meaning of XT and the "7600 XT" perfectly demonstrates this. This is like as if NVIDIA released a Ti card but actually they just released the non-Ti version, overclocked it a little and slapped a Ti sticker and price on it.
RX 7800 XT has 60 CUs and RX 7900 GRE has 80 CUs which is 33% more. Sounds cool but RX 7900 GRE suffers a lot from cut down memory bus and reduced Infinity cache, AMD disabled in it two of six MCDs in original Navi 31. They also significantly lowered memory clocks versus other two Navi 31 GPUs. Even RX 7800 XT has higher memory clock, thus having same 256 bit memory interface RX 7800 XT has better memory bandwith. Due to that you will never get huge difference in performance between RX 7800 XT and RX 7900 GRE. Having 33% more CUs it is in best case 12-14% faster than RX 7800 XT in certain games while it costs 150 USD more which is 30% of RX 7800 XT MSRP. RX 7800 XT still has much better value than RX 7900 GRE.
@@AncientGameplays, even 15% performance difference won't justify 30% difference in price. If eventually RX 7900 GRE will be available for lower price then it will be more attractive. Anyway thanks for reviewing RX 7900 GRE!
@@alxmukhin Yeah, the 7900 GRE is a weird product, and obviously has only had a fairly limited amount of production, and isn't nearly as widely available as cards like the 7800 XT or the 7900 XT.
What if every Dev was asked "why didn't you optimize your game?" To respond with " we did, just upgrade your PC" Me: I'm playing your Pacman game. Devs: Just upgrade your PC This is where we're at now.
imo the 7900xt is the true 7800xt and 6800xt successor at the $650 price point. The 7900 is better, but not by much ver the 7800xt and in a weird spot, which might be why it's not available in north America.
My opinion 6950xt->7900xtx, 6900xt->7900xt, 6800xt->7900gre, 6800->7800xt, 6700xt->7700xt...... The 7800xt and the 7900 gre have different specifications, the 7800 xt is more suitable for games with high frame rates in 1440p while the 7900 gre for heavier games and if you want to get closer to 4k
@@alessio79aaa46 I rewarched HUB’s testing of the 7900 and it was only 8% faster than 6800xt so that margin will be even less vs 7800xt and the 6950xt was still faster by around 8% than the 7900. The 7900xt was a decent amount ahead of the 7900. The 7900 is probably what a 7850 non xt should have been
the 7800xt has almost the same performance as the gre but costs much less so that card is still the best to buy for 1440p. wish they made the 7900 gre available everywhere and cost 500 usd cuz they basically pulled the same shenanigans as nvidia with making lower models, giving them a higher title and then releasing their proper version. even when ngreedia did that for the super at least they released the real version for the same price as the old one, amd here gives u the real 7800xt in the form of the gre but for 150 more msrp :(
@metalface_villain yeah $650 is absurd for less than 10% improvement. It's reportedly going to be $550, but ideally, it would be great if it replaced the 7800xt at the $500 price point and the 7800xt fell to $450. That would give it enough distance vs nvidia to make it a compelling alternative
Difference is definitely not worth it. Even with this overclocked I see similar performance to the overclocked 7800xt. 150-200 more hell nah. 5-6 FPS difference on average
the RX 7900 XT uses the Navi 31 XT as where the RX 6800 XT uses the Navi 21 XT, this is in the actual reality the RX 7900 XT predecessor. The RX 7900 XT is the actual RX 7800 XT, as where the RX 7900 GRE would of been the actual RX 7800, here is why, well from my perspective :) The RX 7900 XTX uses the Navi 31 XTX GPU as where the RX 6900 XT uses the Navi 21 XTX GPU, so as that goes the 7900 XTX is the actual RX 6900 XT replacement if coming form the GPU name, right. So here a list I made coming from GPU names Navi 3xx from Navi 2xx on how and what evolved in to. 01. RX 7900 XTX uses Navi 31 XTX, this replaced RX 6900 XT that uses Navi 21 XTX 02. RX 7900 XT uses Navi 31 XT, this replaced RX 6800 XT that uses Navi 21 XT 03. RX 7900 GRE uses Navi 31 XL, this would of replaced RX 6800 which uses Navi 21 XL 04. RX 7800 XT uses Navi 32 XT, this would of replaced RX 6700 XT which uses Navi 22 XT 05. RX 7700 XT uses Navi 32 XL this would of replaced RX 6600 which uses Navi 21 XL. 06. RX 7600 uses Navi 33, his would of replaced the RX 6500 XT which uses the Navi 23 Now if I'd call out actual names for the RNDA 3 GPU line it would look quite different on what we have now. 01. RX 7900 XTX should of just been named RX 7900 XT, since the previous series never had a XTX model** 02. RX 7900 XT = actual RX 7800 XT 03. RX 7900 GRE = actual RX 7800 04. RX 7800 XT = actual RX 7700 XT 05. RX 7700 XT = actual RX 7700 06. RX 7600 = actual RX 7500 XT.. hmm oke. it's as if everything increased one per tier if using my list and there was no real RX 7600 at all, which makes it even more weird. Now there was a RX 6900 XTX, but this was a cancelled engineering sample, it was faster than the RX 950 XT even being, it had stock water cooling, you can find this card at GPU-Z, the RX 6900 XTX uses the Navi 21 XTXH GPU, some RX 6900 XT's did come with this GPU, cards from Sapphire's Toxic Air Cooled & Power Color's Red Devil Limited Editions. Navi 21 XTXH tends to clock quite higher than the standard Navi 21 XTX from RX 6900 XT and Navi 21 KXTX which the RX 6950 XT uses. Very nice video though, as always :) Currently again, I'm a proud Sapphire Nitro+ RX 6800 XT Special Edition user, Sapphire fixed my card and it's running great again :) The Sapphire Nitro+ RX Vega 64 is just part of my collection now :) The bottom line AMD messed up the entire naming list for the RDNA 3 line at the get go, and with the lists I posted each new GPU would automatically have more Compute Units than their predecessors as well.
In general.. 7900xt is slightly cut-down version of full 7900xtx die (15% weaker) While 7900 GRE , is cut-down version from 7900xt (15% weaker than 7900xt while being 30% weaker than 7900xtx) It's still 12% faster than 7800xt, personally I would pick 7800xt & OC for $200 cheaper, especially since they are all 16GB I picked 7900xtx for $850 (1000$ with Tax) back in mid 2023.. I still don't like the $1000 price, but my 4K screen need a powerful GPU
@AncientGameplays No & Yes.. some 7900 GRE is based on AMD reference design.. which have lower wattage (255w) I seen dozens of benchmarks showing 7900 GRE faster than 7800xt by 5% only, because they both was on 255w limit Your Sapphire Pulse have around 300w.. which improves frequency & power limit (up to 15%) Overall.. 300w on this card is 2 much.. that's why reference design cap at 255w (Sapphire cooler is bigger & can handle it)
@AncientGameplays yeah I forgot to say stock limit.. OC always give you another small 10% to 15% wattage My 7900xtx (Powercolor Hellhound) have 350w stock, & up to 415w with power slider Still.. AMD Reference Design have around 10% power (15% slider is fake for reference design) that's why 7900xtx reference design cap from 350 stock to only 390w (also, OC reference with high frequency give lower wattage to VRAM) Which lead to lower fps Lol
7900XTX = 900XT 7900XT = 800XT 7900 GRE = 800 7800XT = 700XT 7700XT = 650XT 7600XT = 600 8GB, 600 16GB like the Polaris series. Maybe some of these are too much to ask for, but the good thing is the price drop is probably coming after the Super hit the market. Both videos are on point, thank you for the review!
how much would you assume the 7800xt would go for soon after the nvidia super release? if they make 7800xt 400 and the gre available for all and around 500 it would be nice
Bad news for 7800 XT only that has driver issue compatibility with XBOX apps and EA Games ! Had to return mine under 14 days from Sapphire Nitro + 7800 XT beast card that was because can't wait another year for driver optimization from AMD, while I have the Sapphire Nitro + 7900 XTX Vapor-X and running without an issue ! I was able to push the Nitro + 7800 XT version to 2800 Mhz without an issue while keeping it on 900 mV supper stable and impressive card to own !
For me nothing has worked the games from Xbox and EA games started on window mode when maximized the frame just dropped to 5FPS and AMD adrenalin started to crush tried DDU every driver since 7800 XT came out nothing worked switch back to 7900 XTX everything worked flawlessly had to return the 7800 XT and money back under 14 days !
@@Mnorbert25 Maybe you just got a bad unit, did you try Windows reinstall? Some people say that DDU is enough but in some instances a Windows reinstall is required.
@@Mnorbert25 Yea that sounds like your card may have been defective somehow, even if there were no driver optimization the games shouldn't be running at such low frame rates on a 7800xt
I wonder if the still existing stock of RX6800XT influenced the configuration of the RX7800XT. While I like my 7800XT it would have been really nice with even a few more CUs.
Over the holidays this gpu was only 17 dollars more than a 7800xt at cyberpowerpc custom builts. I really wanted one, and felt like it had some good overclocking potential. Also it seem like the card runs 10-15 degrees cooler than a 7800xt. What have you found with experimenting with the card?
@@mystertom100 Thats actually true ... 7800xt is very cool card (Sapphire Nitro+, from my testing experience too). Performance wise it's a bit slower than my primary AsRock OC Formula 6900xt, but also less power-hungry (small margin, same scenarios gaming, although 6900xt can go 350+ Watts under full load).
@@AncientGameplays yeah I noticed as well. I was at 80C hotspot on air it's not closer to 50s on water. I know the xtx had some bad batches at launch would reach 110C
Hi everybody, I've buy mine in oct 23 for 580€ and she's making a good job. Mine it's a Powercolor 280w and I can't go over 2701MHz on Time Spy, that's make 24547 on Grafics score and with only a R5 7500f overall score 20334. I Don't think in regulard use, a big difference between 7800xt and 7900gre but in OC the Navi 31 gonna make it. 😉
in Italy you can find the 7900GRE for 600-650€, nice card. Very interesting to have almost reached 15GB of VRAM use with Avatar... more and more convinced that performance-price the 7900xt is an excellent card and 20GB for the future, price destined to drop with the new Super releases, I guess at €649 absolute best buy. Considering that the only decent Nvidia card with 16GB will be the 4070TI Super where a custom one will cost 950€... for on par raster performance, a big premium to pay.
@@anitaremenarova6662 No, I play at 1440p. If you have seen the video it shows the use of the VRAM with the various games, and Fabio is showing them at 1440p resolution.
👍 Can't put bigger like to the title. But, but, but that is emotionally speaking. Rationally speaking, just realized, the real 7800 XT should've been 7900XT or XTX (we are missing full die Navi 31 at 3.2 Ghz) with a performance leap as used to be. Besides 7900GRE is just a 6950XT layout revision (same cores, memory, cache, etc.) in RDNA3 with little better RT, AV1 and the dual-issue FP32 with a up to 2x FPS results still to see. Don't you think 7900M with the exact refreshed specs of the 6800XT is more of a real 7800XT? Too mine there are two ways to make a new generation: -1. you make it noticeable better in every aspect and mantain or lower the price or rise it a little amount. -2. you make better in main areas by not much but you enhance energy efficiency and value by keepeing performance but lower power and price (or keeping it similar). Also is important to keep naming meaningful according to competition and minimum misleading to more performant than actually is. 7900 nowhere near 4090 in raw perfromance (thanks to lack of optimization is truly surprisingly closer to a 4090 than it should in most cases, unless DLSS and RT). 7900 vs "4070 Ti super fromer unlaunched 4080 12Gb but now with 16Gb and better 4080 actual chip" that we all know it is what an amazing 4060 Ti 16GB should be in 2024 or at least a 4070 should've had to be. Pretending to be half, one or up to two and a half tiers where you actually are...what a naming Team, Optimistic Marketing at best. And don't turn on RT or naming will hurt. Why to name your products so riskly? More profit, better for Nvidia naming/pricing scheme reference and support, but what gamers get for they money is questionable. Not expecting 2x the FPS from 7900GRE vs 7600 XT 16GB, but they should be by a bigger margin. Not 4090 times better than 4060/Ti in RT... harder to swallow than it should.
Every company in the world would like to have AMD as a competitor, what a loving mother AMD is to Nvidia, what they did to the 7800XT is a joke, they never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity
Looks like a solid card, seems slightly capped by it's power limit. Also thanks for actually taking us trough the gameplay and settings instead of the bars and numbers other channels often feed us.
AMD and Nvidia are naming there recent series of GPUs with the name belonging to the tier above. That is why it seems like there is no big performance jump from the last generation.
@AncientGamplayes . Hey, before i bought my new comp, i watched your videos about 7900 gre and other vid in your channel , you are awesome hehe. I took the choice and bought the Gigabyte 7900 Gre combined with a 14700k. And its going better then expected / high fps , no laggs nu stutters and im very happy. Thanks Ancientgamplay for all the tips and recommendation. Keep up the good work. Im more then happy with the Gigabyte 7900 gre. Take care Btw , i play wow dragonflight , smooth gameplay and high fps
The only thing I would look up for this is when new gen gpus came out. The second hand market is flooded with GME gpus from China. Even If my country is neighbors with them we have no means to buy these cards until 2nd market or have to buy from 3rd party which is often expensive
I still think the 7900xt is the true 7800xt it's just they added an extra 4gb of vram and priced it a tier higher just so they could upsell everybody and make more money. This generation has been a flop. Next generation's 8800xt is rumoured to be be around the 7900 xtx in power which just goes to prove that the 7800 xt isn't the real 7800 xt.
If you ask me, the 7900 XT should have been called the 7800 XT, and that would have been an even more consistent way of naming the cards, but I do agree that calling this card the 7800 XT would have made more sense than calling it the 7900 GRE (with the 7800 XT dropping down to "7800" without the "XT"). To me, the naming should match the naming of the product that a new product is replacing, and, hopefully that would normally mean that it would be based on whatever product has the closest manufacturing cost, though if a new product has an unusually large improvement in performance, that could justify naming it differently I suppose. In the case of the 7000 series, the performance improvement over the previous generation was BELOW average at least for the top GPU dies, so, if anything, they should have adjusted the naming so that the top card was called the 7900, or 7800 XT, or 7800 XTX maybe. The partially cut down version of Navi 31 (which got called 7900 XT) is replacing the 6800 XT, and so I think it would have made the most sense to call IT the 7800 XT, and I would have been totally happy if they had decided to call it just the 7800 (without an XT). The GRE isn't even a widely available product, but it would have made more sense to me to call it the 7800. The 7800 XT is clearly a 7700 XT replacement, as it is a full Navi 32 die, replacing the 6700 XT and 6750 XT. If the 7800 XT had actually been called the 7700 XT, it would have arguably made that graphics card look better, because people would have been more likely to have compared it to the 6700 XT and 6750 XT. If you adjust for inflation, the 7800 XT's MSRP is actually LESS than the launch MSRP of the 6700 XT, and it's around 43% faster, with more memory bandwidth, and 33% more Vram, and that actually is a pretty impressive improvement, but most people in the media were comparing it to the 6800 XT or 6800. A 43% improvement in performance, in addition to more RAM, is a solid generational improvement (better than the improvement of the 7900 XTX over the 6900 XT).
Can you make a vid on the new frame gen feature released with the Lossless Scaling tool? Works on all games and GPUs. I’ve tried it myself and even this early it works pretty well, for the most part.
Been viewing for a while, but just subbed. Anyway I agree with your feelings on this card. Only thing we don't know for sure is the yields on this variant. But AMD did what they did, plus I brought a 7800XT first week of launch. Also got a ten % discount/Starfield. Plus warranty support. I did look at the GRE when it launched, but importing the card from China & no support. Made it a No go. Might as well get a 7900XT here in the UK.
My wish list for AMD Radeon division. A.I. upscaling on par with DLSS, better overclocking stability (more control over clockspeed) and better Ray Tracing. If they would do that I would never buy another Nvidia Gpu. And before I get bashed in the comments, I own 6700xt, 6800xt, 7800xt, and 7900xtx.
@@AncientGameplays I was talking about the clock speeds. They aren't static like Nvidia. Its more of a dynamic OC clock speed wise. That's all I meant.
yes, you are right, I expected more from xtx 7800xt, I didn't feel a very big difference after 5700xt, except for VR games, because strix 5700xt choked in them. Most likely this is just a problem with my 5600x processor and I need an 8-core processor for more stable work with the graphics card. Іn Spain there is no problem with buying a rx7900gre, on pccomponentes and on coolmod or ibertronica you can buy at a good price, although I prefer "coolmod" or "game" , I had many products from pccomponentes that were opened, returned or used, which they did not mark with the appropriate mark.
wait wait, what? The 7800XT is MUCH faster than the 5700XT, if you didn't feel that very big difference is because you're CPU bottlenecked (that 5600X definitely bottlenecks the 7800XT). Get a 5800X3D
@@AncientGameplays but it's just my fault, I checked everything and was sure that there would be no bottleneck with the 5600x, in fact everything is fine and all the data is also good, it's just that the processor can't open the video card anymore, if there was a bottleneck then the problem would be in VR games as well , the difference is in the temperatures of video cards and is very colossal, the hottest part of the 5700xt was around 110 degrees, although the video card worked perfectly. I'm waiting for some kind of breakthrough from AMD, after all, the video card is built on a different rdna 3 architecture. Yes, no problem, most likely I will either buy a 5800x3d or a 5900x because of the higher turbo frequency.
you likely have some other bottleneck in the system because the 7800xt should have around double the performance on average over the 5700xt it's a pretty huge increase
It'd be cool if it was easily available and at a more reasonable price, as of now it doesn't really make much sense to buy this over the 7900 xt if you want more performance or a 7800 xt if you want to spend less
Thanks, I've been waiting for this video for a while since it costs around 600 Euro in Italy and I wanted to see how it performed both in stock and overclocked
Wanna know funny trick to play CP2077 with FULL RT in 60 FPS on 6800XT (so 7900 GRE also)? Enable VSR in drivers, put one or 2 tiers lower resolution than native of your monitor, then enable XeSS or FSR to quality with strong sharpening. I recommend this for displays 1440p and above, i did not tried this on FHD. But with full RT on Ultra i had 60-80 FPS. I was shocked it didint looked like crap ;) If you want RT reflections or lighting just enable 1800p + FSR quality/XeSS balanced.
@@AncientGameplays Thats exacly what i thinked, but try it. I was suprised how it looked & worked. You just have to play with sharpness, both VSR and in game settings.
Nice video! I remember before release of the 7800xt there was a lot of stuff going on in the rumor mill about how the 7800xt die was going to end up...would it be a significantly cut down 7900xt/7900xtx chiplet design, or a repurposed server chip, or a 4 MCD chiplet design like the 7700xt (which we ended up with)...it seemed AMD really struggled on how they wanted the chip to perform compared to what options and optimization work would be needed to release the chip in viable form...the result is a bit unfortunate...especially given how long it took to release....while there is nothing wrong with the 7800xt...like you said by the spec the 7900 GRE should be the real 7800xt. Maybe one day the 7900GRE will make a separate release with different naming...I mean we had the CPU 5600x3d chip released on microcenter as an exclusive item...so it is not out of the realm of possibilities =)
Just a quick update, the price is not that steep. There's several stores selling it for under 600 euros rn. You must've found the most expensive retailer for it.
@@AncientGameplays Fair, I suppose the further you get from china which was the original market for this thing the worse the pricing gets. Should I get the sapphire pulse variant for 594€ or wait for that potential nitro?
faaaabio can you MAYBE, just maybe, show in a video how the 7900 GRE responds to vram overclocking in terms of performance gains? because it specifically has a "gimped" bandwidth compared to the 7800xt .. so it would be interesting what possibilities you have if you increase memory clocks!! (and,or infinity fabric/soc clock if even possible) obrigado pela sua visita!!!!!! gente inteligente compra nu continente gaia shopping esta tudo la
different tech and different drivers ....amd does not use any compression and not use any optimize coding in their drivers ...nvidia using better memory mangement without lossing image quality and even make image look better than amd when is compress
@@user78405 Thank you, I was just looking this up, and yes, I see Avatar uses more like 11-12GB on 4070 at 1440p ultra. It makes a lot of sense to hear Nvidia uses compression in the background. Now I gonna have to do my prayers and see if this is a reasonable $600 down the drain, with this tight memory...........
@@user78405 Ha!! Go watch videos where entire textures disappear because Nvidia can't load them into its limited amount of memory. Of course the Fps count seems to remain interesting but by deceiving the player... personally I'm starting to think that even 16GB is no longer so much future proof... if I were to buy a card today I would get a 7900XT without a doubt. Furthermore, precisely because of its graphics compressions etc. Nvidia weighs more on the CPU, in fact in cases where the CPU acts as a bottleneck the Radeons do better.
This card priced $75-$100 less than the 7900xt would be amazing. $650 should be the maximum price on this card and it would be a very attractive card. At its current price it is not enticing and the extra $50-75 for the 7900xt is the only way to go. I am curious to see where they go with pricing. I have the 7900 XT and have been very happy with it, considering I got it for $758 USD back in May. For now I think this is priced $50 higher than it deserves to be.
When I play games I think about the FPS, not how much CUs the card has. The only RDNA3 card that offers 25%+ more FPS over the 6800 XT is the 7900 XT - to me that's the real 7800 XT.
TBH ... it should be called 7850XT, since AMD wont be able to put current 7800xt price tag on this one (until now - with nGreedia SUPER series out). Possibly AMD will ramp up production of 7900GRE and lower prices for it to match 7800xt prices (which should go for 100-150 less)... At least that's what any normal marketing people would do.
Wouldn't the rx 7900 xtx be the real Rx 7800 xt since it's the 80 class competitor this generation? The 6800 xt was close to the 3080 in performance. The xtx is close to a 4080.
Comprei uma RX 7900xtx pra jogar em 1440p, fui pro sistema Linux e a diferença é gritante, os jogos rodam melhor(corrigindo os stutters de alguns games) em sistema Linux com o Proton do que no Windows, muito satisfeito.
How is this card is better looking than Pulse 7900 XT and XTX? The shroud design is basically a black version of Sapphire Pure (which is to me a beautiful design).
Bethesda didn't even optimize Starfield for XBOX. According to AMD's latest press-slides, the AMD 8700G can run Starfield at 60fps, without a dedicated graphics card!
if 7900xtx been 12048 compute units version...it would destroyed 4090 with better path tracing performance is required more cores and more cache ..it would been different today but AMD is playing AMD still...imagine world when ATI didn't sold their assets to amd and tell amd to shove it , ATI today would be lot bigger company than NVIDIA by now
I am about to return my MERC 7800 XT Quik and get this one instead (my 7800XT costs about 490€ and 7900GRE costs 550€, same model as you), I have seen some benchs and thbey state that performance is very similar... but how are the temps on this one? My 7800XT actually reaches 59c core and 84c on memory junction at 1500rpm. How good or bad is the 7900 GRE? Greetings!
If AMD released this as 7800 XT and the 60cu as 7800 and maybe 7700 XT for 569 and 479 and 399 respectively.. if would have been an absolute win for everyone including AMD.
That would have been an absolute loss for AMD. The cards would be out of stock constantly. RNDA3 targeted a 70% uplift but managed 36% at power parity (6950XT and 7900XT are both 355W). The thing just is that these chips are as expensive to manufacture as if they could have charged the prices that would have come with a 70% uplift. So AMD is only producing cards with whatever wafer supply is left once they've stuffed as many Epyc, Threadripper and Ryzen chips into the channels as they an possibly get away with. AMD is pricing their cards EXACTLY where they sell at the same rate as they are produced. They're clearly content with poaching the oddball "swing vote" here and there, but basically only keeping existing Radeon users happy to upgrade, should they choose to.
@@andersjjensen yeah I agree with amd doing what they should be. The prices are appropriate for the supply. I suppose I shouldn't have said AMD but had AMD had huge supply then they could have taken market share. I've been thinking for years now that large companies don't just compete.. they help each other grow the market as a whole first and foremost and of course make maximum profit while they're at it. My hunch is that there is communication between these companies. Nvidia would be fucked if AMD completely left the market.
@@christophermullins7163 If TSMC had accidentally overbuilt fab capacity and were constantly asking AMD if they'd like any more wafers, then this situation would be very very different. People don't realise that Intel, despite having posted 5 quarters in a row of less than 5% profit, they STILL has more raw cash in the bank than AMD is worth. AMD is still paying off $4 billion in debt from "the dark days". AMD has to play every turn carefully, because cancelling orders with TSMC is expensive AND it hurts the wafer price on the next purchase. AMD books wafer agreements 3-5 years in advance, and they have to assume that they might not have the most desirable product in every category. So they can only safely book what they reasonably expect to be able to sell, no matter what. I've tracked "the big three" for almost three decades now, and AMD has always been the wild one. It's kind of the company profile that they're never satisfied with the status quo. They like the long shots, the disruptive technologies and the things that nerds get excited about. And they're hungry. They will gladly take someone else's 1 billion dollar business and turn it into their 700 million dollar business, if that's what it takes. They've taken both Intel and Nvidia to court over unlawful practices a number of times..... so no, I don't think they're engaging in price fixing or any of that nonsense.
5% faster in raster and -50% in ray tracing ...not good deal if you planning used fsr3 mods and path tracing gaming that would help using mods but on linux...its like i been cut in half in fps and stuttering mess with mesa currently, some say its 7900xtx issue and other says rdna2 are completely different from rdna3, how they gonna make universal drivers work with both rdna2 and rdna3 ...imagine when rdna4 come out...they remove mcd and introduce new hardware chips that really screwed mesa group in trying make drivers for different rdna hardware now, its not problem with windows drivers when they all have different libraries for every rdna support level difference in performance
hope you do a 7800 xt vs 7900 gre maybe adding the 7900 xt to see how far it can get. however i dont think its worth it considerign the lift in price....
Hey @AncientGameplays I see that you are using the G502 X Lightspeed. Could you make a video about it? I would like to know your review or opinion on this gaming mouse, as I am considering purchasing it in the future.
really wish amd released the RX 7950 XTX but probably didn't have enough to mass produce and sell heres to hoping next gen in 2025 has that performance higher then the 4090 and yet still cheaper. edit: also hope the next flagship has over 110+ CU's and 24gb's vram and 10k+ shader unites as well as a 512bit bus we haven't seen a bus size like that since well Fermi Series from nvidia edit 2: great vid as always hope more games don't do forced raytracing like avatar does, I'd rather run at native high settings with 60+ fps and not take a performance hit with raytracing for more shiny windows/water/better lighting/shadows I get raytracing is the future but not interested till the next 5 years passes and they make massive improvements to everything it brings to the table with better performance on lower end cards and not just mainly for mid/high end.
You can't get to 24GB on a 512 bit bus. You can get to 16GB, 32GB or 64GB as GDDR6 is available in 1GB and 2GB modules, and each module takes 32 bits of bus-width. 512/12 is 16, so you need 16 modules. Unless you clam-shell (which makes for a more expensive board) the modules, then you can go to 32 modules. But it all has to be symmetrical. That is, you can't clams-shell just some of the modules.
well w/e amount just to meet it to get 512 bit and also give it more of everything else I suggested I really want amd to start hammering nvidia in pure rasterization over ray tracing for cheaper then w/e nvidias flagship is gonna be all i'm saying@@andersjjensen
No, the real 7800 XT is the 7900 XT. If you see the old GPUs Navi 21 XTX = RX 6900 XT and Navi 21 XT = RX 6800 XT With a correct name the top RDNA3 GPUs are: Navi 31 XTX = RX 7900 XT Navi 31 XT = RX 7800 XT Navi 31 XL = RX 7800 Navi 32 XT and XL could be 7700 series
Not really because before you had not a navi 22 die with 60CUs, now you do, so the 7800 non XT could ne navi 32, ans the 7800xt 7900xt and 7900xtx could use navi 31
@@AncientGameplays Ok I understand, but RDNA1 was also very different from RDNA2. However, with RDNA2 there was a big jump in performance for the same CUs even though the dimensional process did not change. With RDNA3 this improvement did not occur. The only card that had a good performance improvement with the same specs is the 7800 XT compared to the 6800. Thinking about it, maybe it's not strange because Navi 32 is the latest GPU produced and they have probably already refined the production to obtain better performance. Or maybe it comes down to the wider bandwidth and the GPU running at higher frequencies. Maybe with RDNA4 we will still have a good increase, but the fact remains that RDNA3 is a bad series in terms of prices and card names. I hope my english is not too bad, i'm Italian and has buy a 7800 XT in november. Very good card but a little bit expansive... :)
@AncientGameplays It was a good GPU, but the naming scheme was jank. You had the regular HD 7870, based on Pictairn architecture with 1280CU. Then there was the 7870 XT, a cut-down variant of the flagship Tahiti GPU with 1536CU. It really should've been called the HD 7930. Fun fact, the 7870 XT could even crossfire with the 7970, but not the regular 7870.
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here's the link to get it at PC Componentes: www.pccomponentes.com/sapphire-pulse-amd-radeon-rx-7900-gre-gaming-oc-bulk-16gb-gddr6
you should make a video about amd and nvidia market share and stuff . there are lots fof miss information about it . i saw ppl talking about AMD is ded and its gona die on videocardz .
some people on videocarz is plain dumb. Remember whern they said intel gpus were cancelled? Lol@@de4ler
Is it on Amazon?
@@AncientGameplays yeah and they said 14gen Intel will kill Ryzen . . . And now Intel at this point is just a snake oil meme .
Also while you are here at what price the 7900gre would be worth getting in today's market cuz it between the supers sooooooo I would love you have your opinion on this . 699€ is a bit to much for me for that GPU .
You were playing on ultrawide didnt you? If thats correct than 1080p was not 1920x1080, but it was 2560x1080 and also the 1440p was 3440x1440 which is way heavier than 2560x1440.
Love this type of GPU review where you're actually playing the game and letting us see the adjustments you make in the settings.
I do these from time to time haha
That's why I'm still watching those videos. He is like the Radeon god or something!
he doin this in real time , real benchmark , he own this card , he can test ...so many fake benchmarks on you tube only graphs and fake stuff
AMD should've released the 7900 GRE as the 7800 XT and the "7800 XT" as the 7800 non-XT. RDNA3 has lost the meaning of XT and the "7600 XT" perfectly demonstrates this. This is like as if NVIDIA released a Ti card but actually they just released the non-Ti version, overclocked it a little and slapped a Ti sticker and price on it.
exactly
And that card should’ve been 500$ so we would have a reasonable upgrade path for 6800xt
They probably didn't do this because it had too few successful units per batch .
no
@@Bora_Trkn Yes
That is what Nvidia started doing like 2 or 3 generations ago they would cut down all gpus to the last lower tier and call them one tier higher
RX 7800 XT has 60 CUs and RX 7900 GRE has 80 CUs which is 33% more. Sounds cool but RX 7900 GRE suffers a lot from cut down memory bus and reduced Infinity cache, AMD disabled in it two of six MCDs in original Navi 31. They also significantly lowered memory clocks versus other two Navi 31 GPUs. Even RX 7800 XT has higher memory clock, thus having same 256 bit memory interface RX 7800 XT has better memory bandwith. Due to that you will never get huge difference in performance between RX 7800 XT and RX 7900 GRE. Having 33% more CUs it is in best case 12-14% faster than RX 7800 XT in certain games while it costs 150 USD more which is 30% of RX 7800 XT MSRP. RX 7800 XT still has much better value than RX 7900 GRE.
Both overclocked we have around 15% more perf
@@AncientGameplays, even 15% performance difference won't justify 30% difference in price. If eventually RX 7900 GRE will be available for lower price then it will be more attractive. Anyway thanks for reviewing RX 7900 GRE!
@@alxmukhin Yeah, the 7900 GRE is a weird product, and obviously has only had a fairly limited amount of production, and isn't nearly as widely available as cards like the 7800 XT or the 7900 XT.
6900xt = 7900xtx
6800xt = 7900xt
6800 = 7900 gre
6700xt=7800xt
etc
@@MoneyMaking861 incorrect the 7800xt = 6800xt
Nice review. Can you do a side by side comparison between 7800XT vs 7900GRE? Thanks
Of course, as stated, that will come!
Were waiting so horry up lol 😅👍
So no worries you make it quite well and not boring! Thumbs up for your work and information!
thank you!
For 700 euros/usd it's still kinda high, had this been priced at around 600, it would have been such a great deal
It's a China only card, not meant for us as of now
It will come down if it sells more
500$
even for 600 it is overprice - because it is barely faster than 7800xt which is only 500-520. not worth paying 80-100 more.
@@mc_sim i wouldn't call 15% faster at same power draw "barely". It is usually €150 above the 7800xt
It was 160 eur more than 7800xt sapphire nitro, when i checked a few months ago
currently it cost around €150 more than the 7800XT pulse
I heard the 7900 GRE is coming to US with a MSRP of 549$, a very good alternative to the 7800 XT or the 4070 Super.
What if every Dev was asked "why didn't you optimize your game?" To respond with " we did, just upgrade your PC"
Me: I'm playing your Pacman game.
Devs: Just upgrade your PC
This is where we're at now.
imo the 7900xt is the true 7800xt and 6800xt successor at the $650 price point. The 7900 is better, but not by much ver the 7800xt and in a weird spot, which might be why it's not available in north America.
My opinion 6950xt->7900xtx, 6900xt->7900xt, 6800xt->7900gre, 6800->7800xt, 6700xt->7700xt......
The 7800xt and the 7900 gre have different specifications, the 7800 xt is more suitable for games with high frame rates in 1440p while the 7900 gre for heavier games and if you want to get closer to 4k
7800xt is available at newegg
@@alessio79aaa46 I rewarched HUB’s testing of the 7900 and it was only 8% faster than 6800xt so that margin will be even less vs 7800xt and the 6950xt was still faster by around 8% than the 7900. The 7900xt was a decent amount ahead of the 7900. The 7900 is probably what a 7850 non xt should have been
the 7800xt has almost the same performance as the gre but costs much less so that card is still the best to buy for 1440p. wish they made the 7900 gre available everywhere and cost 500 usd cuz they basically pulled the same shenanigans as nvidia with making lower models, giving them a higher title and then releasing their proper version. even when ngreedia did that for the super at least they released the real version for the same price as the old one, amd here gives u the real 7800xt in the form of the gre but for 150 more msrp :(
@metalface_villain yeah $650 is absurd for less than 10% improvement. It's reportedly going to be $550, but ideally, it would be great if it replaced the 7800xt at the $500 price point and the 7800xt fell to $450. That would give it enough distance vs nvidia to make it a compelling alternative
Thanks for the benchmark you should compare it with the 7800xt cause I saw a comparison between these and the difference is not worth it
Watch a comparison between the 6800 XT and 6950 XT and you'll get the same picture as the 7800 XT vs the 7900 GRE
Difference is definitely not worth it. Even with this overclocked I see similar performance to the overclocked 7800xt. 150-200 more hell nah. 5-6 FPS difference on average
@@laszlozsurka8991there are 7800xt Vs 7900 gre vids out there also, much better to watch those.
I will compare it for sure. This card get a good value with OC
it's 10% boost for 30% higher price. i don't even think u can get this card outside of china anyways so 7800xt it is xD
This guy is genuine. Keep it up, you got my sub.
Thanks!
The fact Todd Howard said "upgrade your PC" with a straight face is still mind boggling to me LOL
the RX 7900 XT uses the Navi 31 XT as where the RX 6800 XT uses the Navi 21 XT, this is in the actual reality the RX 7900 XT predecessor.
The RX 7900 XT is the actual RX 7800 XT, as where the RX 7900 GRE would of been the actual RX 7800, here is why, well from my perspective :)
The RX 7900 XTX uses the Navi 31 XTX GPU as where the RX 6900 XT uses the Navi 21 XTX GPU, so as that goes the 7900 XTX is the actual RX 6900 XT replacement if coming form the GPU name, right.
So here a list I made coming from GPU names Navi 3xx from Navi 2xx on how and what evolved in to.
01. RX 7900 XTX uses Navi 31 XTX, this replaced RX 6900 XT that uses Navi 21 XTX
02. RX 7900 XT uses Navi 31 XT, this replaced RX 6800 XT that uses Navi 21 XT
03. RX 7900 GRE uses Navi 31 XL, this would of replaced RX 6800 which uses Navi 21 XL
04. RX 7800 XT uses Navi 32 XT, this would of replaced RX 6700 XT which uses Navi 22 XT
05. RX 7700 XT uses Navi 32 XL this would of replaced RX 6600 which uses Navi 21 XL.
06. RX 7600 uses Navi 33, his would of replaced the RX 6500 XT which uses the Navi 23
Now if I'd call out actual names for the RNDA 3 GPU line it would look quite different on what we have now.
01. RX 7900 XTX should of just been named RX 7900 XT, since the previous series never had a XTX model**
02. RX 7900 XT = actual RX 7800 XT
03. RX 7900 GRE = actual RX 7800
04. RX 7800 XT = actual RX 7700 XT
05. RX 7700 XT = actual RX 7700
06. RX 7600 = actual RX 7500 XT.. hmm oke.
it's as if everything increased one per tier if using my list and there was no real RX 7600 at all, which makes it even more weird.
Now there was a RX 6900 XTX, but this was a cancelled engineering sample, it was faster than the RX 950 XT even being, it had stock water cooling, you can find this card at GPU-Z,
the RX 6900 XTX uses the Navi 21 XTXH GPU, some RX 6900 XT's did come with this GPU, cards from Sapphire's Toxic Air Cooled & Power Color's Red Devil Limited Editions.
Navi 21 XTXH tends to clock quite higher than the standard Navi 21 XTX from RX 6900 XT and Navi 21 KXTX which the RX 6950 XT uses.
Very nice video though, as always :) Currently again, I'm a proud Sapphire Nitro+ RX 6800 XT Special Edition user, Sapphire fixed my card and it's running great again :)
The Sapphire Nitro+ RX Vega 64 is just part of my collection now :)
The bottom line AMD messed up the entire naming list for the RDNA 3 line at the get go, and with the lists I posted each new GPU would automatically have more Compute Units than their predecessors as well.
In general.. 7900xt is slightly cut-down version of full 7900xtx die (15% weaker)
While 7900 GRE , is cut-down version from 7900xt (15% weaker than 7900xt while being 30% weaker than 7900xtx)
It's still 12% faster than 7800xt, personally I would pick 7800xt & OC for $200 cheaper, especially since they are all 16GB
I picked 7900xtx for $850 (1000$ with Tax) back in mid 2023.. I still don't like the $1000 price, but my 4K screen need a powerful GPU
its around $150 difference in price and OC vs OC, the 7900GRE still wins by around 15%
@AncientGameplays No & Yes.. some 7900 GRE is based on AMD reference design.. which have lower wattage (255w)
I seen dozens of benchmarks showing 7900 GRE faster than 7800xt by 5% only, because they both was on 255w limit
Your Sapphire Pulse have around 300w.. which improves frequency & power limit (up to 15%)
Overall.. 300w on this card is 2 much.. that's why reference design cap at 255w (Sapphire cooler is bigger & can handle it)
300W is far from much on this card. The limit of the reference 7800XT is 290W btw, and the reference 7900XT has a limit of 350W@@Jack_Sparrow131
@AncientGameplays yeah I forgot to say stock limit.. OC always give you another small 10% to 15% wattage
My 7900xtx (Powercolor Hellhound) have 350w stock, & up to 415w with power slider
Still.. AMD Reference Design have around 10% power (15% slider is fake for reference design) that's why 7900xtx reference design cap from 350 stock to only 390w (also, OC reference with high frequency give lower wattage to VRAM) Which lead to lower fps Lol
7900XTX = 900XT
7900XT = 800XT
7900 GRE = 800
7800XT = 700XT
7700XT = 650XT
7600XT = 600 8GB, 600 16GB like the Polaris series.
Maybe some of these are too much to ask for, but the good thing is the price drop is probably coming after the Super hit the market. Both videos are on point, thank you for the review!
how much would you assume the 7800xt would go for soon after the nvidia super release? if they make 7800xt 400 and the gre available for all and around 500 it would be nice
Bad news for 7800 XT only that has driver issue compatibility with XBOX apps and EA Games ! Had to return mine under 14 days from Sapphire Nitro + 7800 XT beast card that was because can't wait another year for driver optimization from AMD, while I have the Sapphire Nitro + 7900 XTX Vapor-X and running without an issue ! I was able to push the Nitro + 7800 XT version to 2800 Mhz without an issue while keeping it on 900 mV supper stable and impressive card to own !
My 7800XT was tested under several EA Games and XBOX ones :D
For me nothing has worked the games from Xbox and EA games started on window mode when maximized the frame just dropped to 5FPS and AMD adrenalin started to crush tried DDU every driver since 7800 XT came out nothing worked switch back to 7900 XTX everything worked flawlessly had to return the 7800 XT and money back under 14 days !
@@Mnorbert25 Maybe you just got a bad unit, did you try Windows reinstall? Some people say that DDU is enough but in some instances a Windows reinstall is required.
@@Mnorbert25 Yea that sounds like your card may have been defective somehow, even if there were no driver optimization the games shouldn't be running at such low frame rates on a 7800xt
You can overclock the memory now. I’m running 2640mhz. It now blows my 7800xt outta the water
Yeap, will retest
Pathtracing in CP2077 and FSR2 Balanced and than AFMF.
You test with the side panel off, which I think will vary the results slightly, as most people have all panels on.
Whatvare you talking about dude xD
For one more time ,one of the best gpu review (reviewer) out there! Be healthy bro and thanks for the review again.
Thank you as well!
I wonder if the still existing stock of RX6800XT influenced the configuration of the RX7800XT. While I like my 7800XT it would have been really nice with even a few more CUs.
Over the holidays this gpu was only 17 dollars more than a 7800xt at cyberpowerpc custom builts. I really wanted one, and felt like it had some good overclocking potential. Also it seem like the card runs 10-15 degrees cooler than a 7800xt. What have you found with experimenting with the card?
Its the cooler difference
Dunno what you're talking about with the 7800xt temps, mine has never exceeded 56° no matter what I do
@@mystertom100 Thats actually true ... 7800xt is very cool card (Sapphire Nitro+, from my testing experience too). Performance wise it's a bit slower than my primary AsRock OC Formula 6900xt, but also less power-hungry (small margin, same scenarios gaming, although 6900xt can go 350+ Watts under full load).
You should show hotspot temps too Fabio, or just show that as the temperature, I know if that gets too hot card will lower the clocks.
It doesn't get hot at all, that's ehy the card was silent. They always rule themselves by hotspot not core
@@AncientGameplays yeah I noticed as well. I was at 80C hotspot on air it's not closer to 50s on water. I know the xtx had some bad batches at launch would reach 110C
Hi everybody, I've buy mine in oct 23 for 580€ and she's making a good job. Mine it's a Powercolor 280w and I can't go over 2701MHz on Time Spy, that's make 24547 on Grafics score and with only a R5 7500f overall score 20334. I Don't think in regulard use, a big difference between 7800xt and 7900gre but in OC the Navi 31 gonna make it. 😉
where did you get it?
If God Howard can offer me an RTX 5090 👔 and a Ryzen 7 9800x3D, I'll upgrade.
in Italy you can find the 7900GRE for 600-650€, nice card. Very interesting to have almost reached 15GB of VRAM use with Avatar... more and more convinced that performance-price the 7900xt is an excellent card and 20GB for the future, price destined to drop with the new Super releases, I guess at €649 absolute best buy. Considering that the only decent Nvidia card with 16GB will be the 4070TI Super where a custom one will cost 950€... for on par raster performance, a big premium to pay.
Are you playing at 4K? If not that game has just awful optimalization.
@@anitaremenarova6662 No, I play at 1440p. If you have seen the video it shows the use of the VRAM with the various games, and Fabio is showing them at 1440p resolution.
👍 Can't put bigger like to the title. But, but, but that is emotionally speaking.
Rationally speaking, just realized, the real 7800 XT should've been 7900XT or XTX (we are missing full die Navi 31 at 3.2 Ghz) with a performance leap as used to be. Besides 7900GRE is just a 6950XT layout revision (same cores, memory, cache, etc.) in RDNA3 with little better RT, AV1 and the dual-issue FP32 with a up to 2x FPS results still to see.
Don't you think 7900M with the exact refreshed specs of the 6800XT is more of a real 7800XT?
Too mine there are two ways to make a new generation:
-1. you make it noticeable better in every aspect and mantain or lower the price or rise it a little amount.
-2. you make better in main areas by not much but you enhance energy efficiency and value by keepeing performance but lower power and price (or keeping it similar).
Also is important to keep naming meaningful according to competition and minimum misleading to more performant than actually is.
7900 nowhere near 4090 in raw perfromance (thanks to lack of optimization is truly surprisingly closer to a 4090 than it should in most cases, unless DLSS and RT).
7900 vs "4070 Ti super fromer unlaunched 4080 12Gb but now with 16Gb and better 4080 actual chip" that we all know it is what an amazing 4060 Ti 16GB should be in 2024 or at least a 4070 should've had to be. Pretending to be half, one or up to two and a half tiers where you actually are...what a naming Team, Optimistic Marketing at best. And don't turn on RT or naming will hurt. Why to name your products so riskly? More profit, better for Nvidia naming/pricing scheme reference and support, but what gamers get for they money is questionable. Not expecting 2x the FPS from 7900GRE vs 7600 XT 16GB, but they should be by a bigger margin. Not 4090 times better than 4060/Ti in RT... harder to swallow than it should.
Nice video man, well done! Keep up the good work!
Thanks! Um abração
Every company in the world would like to have AMD as a competitor, what a loving mother AMD is to Nvidia, what they did to the 7800XT is a joke, they never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity
its a joke indeed and uet, it is better and cheaper than the 4070...
rdna3 are capable deliver more than 6144 compute units...there was a 12048 compute unit version earlier , instead what got is what it is today
Looks like a solid card, seems slightly capped by it's power limit.
Also thanks for actually taking us trough the gameplay and settings instead of the bars and numbers other channels often feed us.
True, this model let's me OC to 290W, but I wanted the nitro one that gives a higher power limit haha
As for gameplay, even my charts usually have commentary so people can follow up my experience haha
Honestly man, better off just going with the 7900XT at that point lol.
As you get more power, for 50$ more in some cases on newegg.
50 more where? Newegg doesn't even sell these cards...
These cards are pretty much impossible to find in the US and in the terms of EU and other markets they're usually much cheaper than the 7900XT.
Hey, i see now you can buy it in Bulgaria too, so i guess is in some more other countries as well
AMD and Nvidia are naming there recent series of GPUs with the name belonging to the tier above. That is why it seems like there is no big performance jump from the last generation.
true
Wasn't boring at all, actually quite interesting.
@AncientGamplayes .
Hey, before i bought my new comp, i watched your videos about 7900 gre and other vid in your channel , you are awesome hehe.
I took the choice and bought the Gigabyte 7900 Gre combined with a 14700k. And its going better then expected / high fps , no laggs nu stutters and im very happy. Thanks Ancientgamplay for all the tips and recommendation. Keep up the good work. Im more then happy with the Gigabyte 7900 gre.
Take care
Btw , i play wow dragonflight , smooth gameplay and high fps
The only thing I would look up for this is when new gen gpus came out. The second hand market is flooded with GME gpus from China. Even If my country is neighbors with them we have no means to buy these cards until 2nd market or have to buy from 3rd party which is often expensive
I still think the 7900xt is the true 7800xt it's just they added an extra 4gb of vram and priced it a tier higher just so they could upsell everybody and make more money. This generation has been a flop. Next generation's 8800xt is rumoured to be be around the 7900 xtx in power which just goes to prove that the 7800 xt isn't the real 7800 xt.
No, as explained, it has more bandwidth and way more cores and power limit
If you ask me, the 7900 XT should have been called the 7800 XT, and that would have been an even more consistent way of naming the cards, but I do agree that calling this card the 7800 XT would have made more sense than calling it the 7900 GRE (with the 7800 XT dropping down to "7800" without the "XT").
To me, the naming should match the naming of the product that a new product is replacing, and, hopefully that would normally mean that it would be based on whatever product has the closest manufacturing cost, though if a new product has an unusually large improvement in performance, that could justify naming it differently I suppose. In the case of the 7000 series, the performance improvement over the previous generation was BELOW average at least for the top GPU dies, so, if anything, they should have adjusted the naming so that the top card was called the 7900, or 7800 XT, or 7800 XTX maybe. The partially cut down version of Navi 31 (which got called 7900 XT) is replacing the 6800 XT, and so I think it would have made the most sense to call IT the 7800 XT, and I would have been totally happy if they had decided to call it just the 7800 (without an XT). The GRE isn't even a widely available product, but it would have made more sense to me to call it the 7800. The 7800 XT is clearly a 7700 XT replacement, as it is a full Navi 32 die, replacing the 6700 XT and 6750 XT.
If the 7800 XT had actually been called the 7700 XT, it would have arguably made that graphics card look better, because people would have been more likely to have compared it to the 6700 XT and 6750 XT. If you adjust for inflation, the 7800 XT's MSRP is actually LESS than the launch MSRP of the 6700 XT, and it's around 43% faster, with more memory bandwidth, and 33% more Vram, and that actually is a pretty impressive improvement, but most people in the media were comparing it to the 6800 XT or 6800. A 43% improvement in performance, in addition to more RAM, is a solid generational improvement (better than the improvement of the 7900 XTX over the 6900 XT).
Can you make a vid on the new frame gen feature released with the Lossless Scaling tool? Works on all games and GPUs.
I’ve tried it myself and even this early it works pretty well, for the most part.
Been viewing for a while, but just subbed. Anyway I agree with your feelings on this card. Only thing we don't know for sure is the yields on this variant. But AMD did what they did, plus I brought a 7800XT first week of launch. Also got a ten % discount/Starfield. Plus warranty support.
I did look at the GRE when it launched, but importing the card from China & no support. Made it a No go. Might as well get a 7900XT here in the UK.
I found it for 590,87 EUR in EU, which is the lowest I believe, Rx 7800 XT is for the same price
Just make sure the model is not bad
My wish list for AMD Radeon division. A.I. upscaling on par with DLSS, better overclocking stability (more control over clockspeed) and better Ray Tracing. If they would do that I would never buy another Nvidia Gpu. And before I get bashed in the comments, I own 6700xt, 6800xt, 7800xt, and 7900xtx.
OC stability is more than stable, its all about power limits, you just need to take the time to do it properly. As for better upscaling, 100% agree
@@AncientGameplays I was talking about the clock speeds. They aren't static like Nvidia. Its more of a dynamic OC clock speed wise. That's all I meant.
Really tempted to upgrade my Aorus 6800 master non xt.
yes, you are right, I expected more from xtx 7800xt, I didn't feel a very big difference after 5700xt, except for VR games, because strix 5700xt choked in them. Most likely this is just a problem with my 5600x processor and I need an 8-core processor for more stable work with the graphics card. Іn Spain there is no problem with buying a rx7900gre, on pccomponentes and on coolmod or ibertronica you can buy at a good price, although I prefer "coolmod" or "game" , I had many products from pccomponentes that were opened, returned or used, which they did not mark with the appropriate mark.
wait wait, what? The 7800XT is MUCH faster than the 5700XT, if you didn't feel that very big difference is because you're CPU bottlenecked (that 5600X definitely bottlenecks the 7800XT). Get a 5800X3D
@@AncientGameplays but it's just my fault, I checked everything and was sure that there would be no bottleneck with the 5600x, in fact everything is fine and all the data is also good, it's just that the processor can't open the video card anymore, if there was a bottleneck then the problem would be in VR games as well , the difference is in the temperatures of video cards and is very colossal, the hottest part of the 5700xt was around 110 degrees, although the video card worked perfectly. I'm waiting for some kind of breakthrough from AMD, after all, the video card is built on a different rdna 3 architecture. Yes, no problem, most likely I will either buy a 5800x3d or a 5900x because of the higher turbo frequency.
you likely have some other bottleneck in the system because the 7800xt should have around double the performance on average over the 5700xt it's a pretty huge increase
Here it cost 600 euro gre 7900 while 7800xt cheapest is 430, but mostly goes for 500 tho its country version of amazon or better region
I see, interesting
It'd be cool if it was easily available and at a more reasonable price, as of now it doesn't really make much sense to buy this over the 7900 xt if you want more performance or a 7800 xt if you want to spend less
this is literally the middle ground in terms of price and performance
@@AncientGameplays yes, outside north america especially
Thanks, I've been waiting for this video for a while since it costs around 600 Euro in Italy and I wanted to see how it performed both in stock and overclocked
at €600 that's as astonishing deal if not the reference model
@@AncientGameplays Does it change that much from refence to custom model?
@@mattiacaldera it does because the power limit is way lower. Still, if the 7900xt is not that muxh more expensive, it is a better buy
@@AncientGameplays Maybe i can flash a bios from another vendor to up the TDP, the 7900XT in Italy is like 800-900€
@@mattiacaldera maybe
using lossless scaling to implement frame generation on this youtube video live. MAN! with frame generation this video looks way better XD
Hahaha, lol
Wanna know funny trick to play CP2077 with FULL RT in 60 FPS on 6800XT (so 7900 GRE also)?
Enable VSR in drivers, put one or 2 tiers lower resolution than native of your monitor, then enable XeSS or FSR to quality with strong sharpening. I recommend this for displays 1440p and above, i did not tried this on FHD. But with full RT on Ultra i had 60-80 FPS. I was shocked it didint looked like crap ;)
If you want RT reflections or lighting just enable 1800p + FSR quality/XeSS balanced.
What you're doing makes no sense. You're just using a lower render resolution to an even lower "native" one
@@AncientGameplays Thats exacly what i thinked, but try it. I was suprised how it looked & worked. You just have to play with sharpness, both VSR and in game settings.
Nice video! I remember before release of the 7800xt there was a lot of stuff going on in the rumor mill about how the 7800xt die was going to end up...would it be a significantly cut down 7900xt/7900xtx chiplet design, or a repurposed server chip, or a 4 MCD chiplet design like the 7700xt (which we ended up with)...it seemed AMD really struggled on how they wanted the chip to perform compared to what options and optimization work would be needed to release the chip in viable form...the result is a bit unfortunate...especially given how long it took to release....while there is nothing wrong with the 7800xt...like you said by the spec the 7900 GRE should be the real 7800xt. Maybe one day the 7900GRE will make a separate release with different naming...I mean we had the CPU 5600x3d chip released on microcenter as an exclusive item...so it is not out of the realm of possibilities =)
Wait, what did i buy a fake 7800XT😂 . Keep up the great content man.
Just a quick update, the price is not that steep. There's several stores selling it for under 600 euros rn. You must've found the most expensive retailer for it.
It depends on where you are. Newegg is one of the biggest US stores. And in Portugal these are the best prices
Also, it varies quite a bit from country to country and the price got reduced recently
@@AncientGameplays Fair, I suppose the further you get from china which was the original market for this thing the worse the pricing gets. Should I get the sapphire pulse variant for 594€ or wait for that potential nitro?
Forbes reported these are coming to usa market end of Februrary at $549 msrp 🎉
Could be partly why 7800xt’s have been on sale this month.
faaaabio can you MAYBE, just maybe, show in a video how the 7900 GRE responds to vram overclocking in terms of performance gains? because it specifically has a "gimped" bandwidth compared to the 7800xt .. so it would be interesting what possibilities you have if you increase memory clocks!! (and,or infinity fabric/soc clock if even possible)
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Yeap, you'll see some results in the comparison I am working on 💪💪
thats 14GB of VRAM used at 1440p! Unbelieveable, I was looking at getting a 4070 super with 12GB, seems like that is already dated today!
different tech and different drivers ....amd does not use any compression and not use any optimize coding in their drivers ...nvidia using better memory mangement without lossing image quality and even make image look better than amd when is compress
@@user78405 Thank you, I was just looking this up, and yes, I see Avatar uses more like 11-12GB on 4070 at 1440p ultra. It makes a lot of sense to hear Nvidia uses compression in the background.
Now I gonna have to do my prayers and see if this is a reasonable $600 down the drain, with this tight memory...........
@@user78405 Ha!! Go watch videos where entire textures disappear because Nvidia can't load them into its limited amount of memory. Of course the Fps count seems to remain interesting but by deceiving the player... personally I'm starting to think that even 16GB is no longer so much future proof... if I were to buy a card today I would get a 7900XT without a doubt.
Furthermore, precisely because of its graphics compressions etc. Nvidia weighs more on the CPU, in fact in cases where the CPU acts as a bottleneck the Radeons do better.
This card priced $75-$100 less than the 7900xt would be amazing. $650 should be the maximum price on this card and it would be a very attractive card. At its current price it is not enticing and the extra $50-75 for the 7900xt is the only way to go. I am curious to see where they go with pricing. I have the 7900 XT and have been very happy with it, considering I got it for $758 USD back in May. For now I think this is priced $50 higher than it deserves to be.
in here it cost €150 less than the cheapest 7900XT
This generation's nomenclature drives me nuts. My XTX should be the XT, and the XT should be the 7900.
spec for spec its successor to 6900xt, test its performance per watt at different power levels please
Not really has all rdna3 cards have higher physical units, but yes, its a 6900zt with rdna3 arc
It is optimized. Upgrade your pc! Loooool
And even worse with the Yemen conflict, I would be forced to buy the RX 7800 XT ASAP.
Whats that?
When I play games I think about the FPS, not how much CUs the card has. The only RDNA3 card that offers 25%+ more FPS over the 6800 XT is the 7900 XT - to me that's the real 7800 XT.
That depends on the resolution. The 7900xtx for example is around 40% faster at 4k versus the 6950xt
TBH ... it should be called 7850XT, since AMD wont be able to put current 7800xt price tag on this one (until now - with nGreedia SUPER series out). Possibly AMD will ramp up production of 7900GRE and lower prices for it to match 7800xt prices (which should go for 100-150 less)... At least that's what any normal marketing people would do.
Wouldn't the rx 7900 xtx be the real Rx 7800 xt since it's the 80 class competitor this generation? The 6800 xt was close to the 3080 in performance. The xtx is close to a 4080.
Love it hope they release the card in the US to purchase!!!!!
Lets hope
i heard outside of china u can also find this in australia but only in pre build pc xD
Comprei uma RX 7900xtx pra jogar em 1440p, fui pro sistema Linux e a diferença é gritante, os jogos rodam melhor(corrigindo os stutters de alguns games) em sistema Linux com o Proton do que no Windows, muito satisfeito.
O que interessa é que goste
nunca tentou rodar no linux ? AMD roda muito bem os jogos@@AncientGameplays
I bought the 7900 GRE for only £15 more than the cheapest 7800xt
Nice!
Good video but would like to be compared with numbers vs 7800xt
As shown, that will come!
him upgrade your pc , Todd forget 86% of the people dont have money lol
I can run remnant 2 @1440p with the fsr FG mod and for
The most part it looks amazing on my 6800xt and it’s about 144
FPS but motion blur is a must
How is this card is better looking than Pulse 7900 XT and XTX? The shroud design is basically a black version of Sapphire Pure (which is to me a beautiful design).
Nice video! Thx! Strange time now, old GPU better then new GPU. Have 6900XT LC for 469$ last year and I am fine)
I found in AFOP the great plains is an lot more demanding area.
Oh I see
Bethesda didn't even optimize Starfield for XBOX. According to AMD's latest press-slides, the AMD 8700G can run Starfield at 60fps, without a dedicated graphics card!
Are you planning on an over/underclock guide? I get mine tomorrow
Not yet, i want to get a nitro model
if 7900xtx been 12048 compute units version...it would destroyed 4090 with better path tracing performance is required more cores and more cache ..it would been different today but AMD is playing AMD still...imagine world when ATI didn't sold their assets to amd and tell amd to shove it , ATI today would be lot bigger company than NVIDIA by now
At only 600w power draw lol
Please, RTX 4060 overclocking tutorial 🙁
AMD did a massive disservice limiting this beast of a card to 260W. I mean I know it's for segmentation reasons, but come on!
Its max 300w on the pulse (as seen) and 320w on the nitro
@@AncientGameplays Hmmm, I don't see anyone selling the nitro version over here. Plenty of XFX, some pulse but none are nitro.
Like the 4090D should be the 4080. 😊
Saw one for 650€ with taxes included but might aswell get 550€ 7800xt at that point lol
I saw some for 595-598€, seems like a worthwhile offer compared to the 7800XT.
I am about to return my MERC 7800 XT Quik and get this one instead (my 7800XT costs about 490€ and 7900GRE costs 550€, same model as you), I have seen some benchs and thbey state that performance is very similar... but how are the temps on this one? My 7800XT actually reaches 59c core and 84c on memory junction at 1500rpm. How good or bad is the 7900 GRE? Greetings!
Cooling here is good, but yours is fine as well it seems
7800xt vs 7900gre ¿can you explain the differences and the overclock in other video? 7900gre is now 579 euros
Thanks
I really enjoyed the video😍
Now do a comparison video 😻
Thanks, ans of course I will 💪
@@AncientGameplays as always, looking forward to it 😊😁
Fabio, what is your boot time from button push to desktop?
Did you lower the FCLK?
flck is at 2000MHz, 15 sec to boot
If AMD released this as 7800 XT and the 60cu as 7800 and maybe 7700 XT for 569 and 479 and 399 respectively.. if would have been an absolute win for everyone including AMD.
That would have been an absolute loss for AMD. The cards would be out of stock constantly. RNDA3 targeted a 70% uplift but managed 36% at power parity (6950XT and 7900XT are both 355W). The thing just is that these chips are as expensive to manufacture as if they could have charged the prices that would have come with a 70% uplift. So AMD is only producing cards with whatever wafer supply is left once they've stuffed as many Epyc, Threadripper and Ryzen chips into the channels as they an possibly get away with.
AMD is pricing their cards EXACTLY where they sell at the same rate as they are produced. They're clearly content with poaching the oddball "swing vote" here and there, but basically only keeping existing Radeon users happy to upgrade, should they choose to.
@@andersjjensen yeah I agree with amd doing what they should be. The prices are appropriate for the supply. I suppose I shouldn't have said AMD but had AMD had huge supply then they could have taken market share.
I've been thinking for years now that large companies don't just compete.. they help each other grow the market as a whole first and foremost and of course make maximum profit while they're at it. My hunch is that there is communication between these companies. Nvidia would be fucked if AMD completely left the market.
@@christophermullins7163 If TSMC had accidentally overbuilt fab capacity and were constantly asking AMD if they'd like any more wafers, then this situation would be very very different.
People don't realise that Intel, despite having posted 5 quarters in a row of less than 5% profit, they STILL has more raw cash in the bank than AMD is worth. AMD is still paying off $4 billion in debt from "the dark days". AMD has to play every turn carefully, because cancelling orders with TSMC is expensive AND it hurts the wafer price on the next purchase. AMD books wafer agreements 3-5 years in advance, and they have to assume that they might not have the most desirable product in every category. So they can only safely book what they reasonably expect to be able to sell, no matter what.
I've tracked "the big three" for almost three decades now, and AMD has always been the wild one. It's kind of the company profile that they're never satisfied with the status quo. They like the long shots, the disruptive technologies and the things that nerds get excited about. And they're hungry. They will gladly take someone else's 1 billion dollar business and turn it into their 700 million dollar business, if that's what it takes. They've taken both Intel and Nvidia to court over unlawful practices a number of times..... so no, I don't think they're engaging in price fixing or any of that nonsense.
Now install a good Linux distro with recent Kernel and MESA support to see how good that card really is.
5% faster in raster and -50% in ray tracing ...not good deal if you planning used fsr3 mods and path tracing gaming that would help using mods but on linux...its like i been cut in half in fps and stuttering mess with mesa currently, some say its 7900xtx issue and other says rdna2 are completely different from rdna3, how they gonna make universal drivers work with both rdna2 and rdna3 ...imagine when rdna4 come out...they remove mcd and introduce new hardware chips that really screwed mesa group in trying make drivers for different rdna hardware now, its not problem with windows drivers when they all have different libraries for every rdna support level difference in performance
why do Linux people always have to insist on other people to use Linux?
@@AncientGameplays Testing hardware right? So why not test it?
We could even call it the 7800 XTX or just a 7900 non XT 😎
Your monitor is mad!
Lg 34 gn850
hope you do a 7800 xt vs 7900 gre maybe adding the 7900 xt to see how far it can get. however i dont think its worth it considerign the lift in price....
That's a given don't worry :D
At least in Latvia you can buy XFX version of RX 7900 GRE for 587 Eur
That's an insane deal!
594€ for sapphire pulse here, 600€ for XFX.
so we can get it in Europe here iiiin Bulgaria 7800xt is 600 eu
Hey @AncientGameplays
I see that you are using the G502 X Lightspeed. Could you make a video about it? I would like to know your review or opinion on this gaming mouse, as I am considering purchasing it in the future.
Won't do a review but I can tell you it is awesome. Came from the normal G502 lightspeed and I like this one more, specially the buttons
Bem feito! I'm glad you say it when AMD is pulling nvidiaa on us. Keep up the good work.
Always unbiased
really wish amd released the RX 7950 XTX but probably didn't have enough to mass produce and sell heres to hoping next gen in 2025 has that performance higher then the 4090 and yet still cheaper.
edit: also hope the next flagship has over 110+ CU's and 24gb's vram and 10k+ shader unites as well as a 512bit bus we haven't seen a bus size like that since well Fermi Series from nvidia
edit 2: great vid as always hope more games don't do forced raytracing like avatar does, I'd rather run at native high settings with 60+ fps and not take a performance hit with raytracing for more shiny windows/water/better lighting/shadows I get raytracing is the future but not interested till the next 5 years passes and they make massive improvements to everything it brings to the table with better performance on lower end cards and not just mainly for mid/high end.
You can't get to 24GB on a 512 bit bus. You can get to 16GB, 32GB or 64GB as GDDR6 is available in 1GB and 2GB modules, and each module takes 32 bits of bus-width. 512/12 is 16, so you need 16 modules. Unless you clam-shell (which makes for a more expensive board) the modules, then you can go to 32 modules. But it all has to be symmetrical. That is, you can't clams-shell just some of the modules.
well w/e amount just to meet it to get 512 bit and also give it more of everything else I suggested I really want amd to start hammering nvidia in pure rasterization over ray tracing for cheaper then w/e nvidias flagship is gonna be all i'm saying@@andersjjensen
No, the real 7800 XT is the 7900 XT.
If you see the old GPUs Navi 21 XTX = RX 6900 XT and Navi 21 XT = RX 6800 XT
With a correct name the top RDNA3 GPUs are:
Navi 31 XTX = RX 7900 XT
Navi 31 XT = RX 7800 XT
Navi 31 XL = RX 7800
Navi 32 XT and XL could be 7700 series
Not really because before you had not a navi 22 die with 60CUs, now you do, so the 7800 non XT could ne navi 32, ans the 7800xt 7900xt and 7900xtx could use navi 31
@@AncientGameplays Ok I understand, but RDNA1 was also very different from RDNA2.
However, with RDNA2 there was a big jump in performance for the same CUs even though the dimensional process did not change.
With RDNA3 this improvement did not occur.
The only card that had a good performance improvement with the same specs is the 7800 XT compared to the 6800.
Thinking about it, maybe it's not strange because Navi 32 is the latest GPU produced and they have probably already refined the production to obtain better performance. Or maybe it comes down to the wider bandwidth and the GPU running at higher frequencies.
Maybe with RDNA4 we will still have a good increase, but the fact remains that RDNA3 is a bad series in terms of prices and card names.
I hope my english is not too bad, i'm Italian and has buy a 7800 XT in november. Very good card but a little bit expansive...
:)
Hopefully Amd cut prices cuz Nvidia super series look attractive.
They have to
I just learnt about this card and my need for the 4070ti super instantly dropped to 0.
It's the Radeon HD 7870 XT all over again.
Nah, the hd 7870 was great
@AncientGameplays It was a good GPU, but the naming scheme was jank.
You had the regular HD 7870, based on Pictairn architecture with 1280CU.
Then there was the 7870 XT, a cut-down variant of the flagship Tahiti GPU with 1536CU. It really should've been called the HD 7930.
Fun fact, the 7870 XT could even crossfire with the 7970, but not the regular 7870.