Mildmay Park on the Mildmay Line
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- Опубликовано: 9 апр 2024
- The station that the Mildmay Line is not named after, but it is on the Mildmay Line. It's all rather confusing. Let's look at some ruins.
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"Are you clear on all that?"
You know us better than that, Mr H. We don't care whether we're clear on it, we just enjoy the historical meanderings that you lead us along!
I suspect that the East & West India Docks & Birmingham Junction Railway was founded with the aim of providing work for sign writers.
Don't give TfL ideas 🤣Imagine how many groups, people and places they'll be able to honour if they give the Overground lines really long names...
They either had to get bigger locomotives, or change the name to something that would fit on the side.
Now we need a patron saint for Silly Names for Railway Lines.
This is possibly the most Jago ending ...
It isn't named after the place the station that isn't there anymore was named after, but rather after the hospital that is still there but isn't served by the line, but it is also named after the same place, which also is no longer served by the line...
I just hope that after a wet and cold April we have a mild May.
or something along those lines
So far we’ve been doing good. We’ve had a lot of bright and sunny weather.
The patron saint of lost causes sounds like something Terry Pratchett would come up with.
Unfortunately (in that resepct) I went to St Jude's CoE Primary school. Though that was linked to another St Jude's Church. I must be a lost cause!!! 🤣
One of the best illustrated of all your videos. I have used this line regularly since the 1960's. My mother said it was built to take people to Hampstead heath on Sundays, which is why trains were every 15 mins on Sundays, and every 20 mins the rest of the week. My friends said the reason nobody used it was that with trains every 20 minutes - "if you are lucky" - your worst case journey time was likely to be over an hour - so any other form of transport, even horse drawn buses - was preferable. Now TFL run trains every 3 mins or so, it is ram packed a lot of the day.
Lesson for train operators: no one gives a fig about the "fastest rains" everyone cares about worst case journey time.
True, frequency and reliability are better indicators. If the train takes 2 hours but you know it'll take 2 hours and leave on time, that's more important.
Hi Jago.
That was a great video. My late dad lived in Kingsbury Road near Mildmay Park and he was christened at St. Jude's Church.
He bucked the trend of being christened at a church named after the patron saint for lost causes.
He had a distinguished career in the Royal Navy serving all over the world in WW2 and then was a sheet metal roof fabricator that worked on virtually every major university, cathedral and important landmark building all over the UK. His last job before retirement was fabricating the silver stainless steel domes on the Thames Barrier.
The boy did good!! 👍
From helping to hold back the tide of Fascism to helping to hold back the tide.
Is it wrong that I thought of Uncle Albert when you referred to lost causes? 😂
Was not expecting a murder story in a railway video 💀💀💀
There have been many murders on the railways starting with Thomas Briggs in 1864 between Hackney Wick and Bow. They were much more frequent in the days before passenger carriages had corridors.
Given the Church connection, How about Murder at the Vicarage.
@@pras12100 Actually, now that you mention it, I saw a video about it. It may have been by Jago himself. Apparently, people went crazy on railway journeys and would kill the unfortunate souls that shared their compartment. A bit like road rage replacement train service.
Murder on the Orient ( well, kind of East London ) Express ( oh, well err : Suburban train )
@@SeverityOne😂
It's quite interesting that they haven't removed the old station foundations and straightened the section of track that curves around it.
It's often more bother than it's worth to realign rails
@@BCrossingIt would need a good reason, like the land saved being sold off.
There is a 2nd class North London coach on the Isle of Wight. The seats are unbelievably comfortable.
I was in Mildmay Hospital for a short time when I was a kid. Dropped a coster’s barrow on my foot and broke it when playing on the barrow aged about six, so that would have been around 1958.
Wow that's a heavy coffee.😊😊
When you mentioned St. Jude's church, my mind went immediately to that great comedy classic, "Bless Me Father".
Jago is now the Patron Saint of Railway You Tubers.
Surely, to be canonised, one has to be dead, deceased, to have passed over, have shuffled off this mortal coil, to be an EX-youtuber. ( Apologies to Monty Python) And, as far as I'm aware, Jago hasn't been stuffed and nailed to a perch ( or station seat ). Sorry Jago, I couldn't resist 😂😂😂
@@alanclarke4646 long may he meander the streets of olde London Town for our delight.
or other lost causes? er, St. Jude..
@@john1703 jago jude of you toobs lost causes
"You Tubers" as two words sounds like someone shouting at potatoes
Lots of short clips in this video. Jago’s indexing system to all the clips he stores must be very impressive.
Take a drink every time Jago says Mildway - I’ve just woken up after the hangover 😜
A wild April video for a Mild May locale!
😂😂
I always get the feeling ‘they’ did it without really knowing what it would lead to but their architecture was great, shame we lost most these old stations. Thanks, Mr Hazzard
Years ago I used to live on Mildmay grove south with a direct view onto the railway. When we moved in it was summer and the trees blocked the view somewhat. In winter we had direct line of sight to the word “t**t” in giant graffiti lettering…
Sums up life in London.
That's... a vibe, as they say.
Dear Jago, an excellent video of the Mildmay Line. Did you know that the Channel Tunnel track goes right beneath the Mildmay Line. At 1.50 on the right is the remains of a urinal used by dubious men late at night looking for horizontal or vertical pleasures. I cannot offer you a 'blow-by-blow' account. At 2.00 there used to be a Turkish restaurant when a customer was murdered in 1994 I believe and the killer was never caught. The man was shot. You failed to mention the Canonbury curve which veers off to Finsbury Park via Drayton Park but you are forgiven. You cannot keep track of everything. Let the sleepers awake. Warm regards from Peter Luton UK .
Can't have abysmal slums. Make sure all our slums are good ones.
Whato Jago,
I've seen that knobbly church spire from the railway for years and always wondered what its dedication was. Now I know: St Jude. Thanks Jago, you've made an old man very happy.
My alma mater, Emmanuel College Cambridge, was founded by Sir Walter Mildmay. But that was back in 1584 & trains hadn't quite been invented then. 🎓
Hmmm … I had understood that the original Mildmay Mission Hospital was on Newington Green, very close to Mildmay Park, on what is now the site of an LB Islington block called Hathersage Court.
On the DLR when approaching Stratford, the announcer says Overgrounds North London Line, I’d prefer it just be called it. Not only is it the colloquial name but also seemingly semi-official name even by tfl.
I asked staff on the overground which of the new lines I was on and they had no idea what I was talking about. I was surprised.
I'm not 😂
Me neither, but without defending “clueless” staff - This happens everywhere, because staff workers don’t have time… You know, _time_ allowed to sort things out, whatever it is.
Our -work culture- everyday life has focused on “saving time” and being “productive” for 40 years now. Of the same 24 hours, we have less usable time. That has an obvious “cost” - not in _money,_ but time as a dwindling human asset.
That’s ‘expensive’ in the long run, or is it just me…? 🤓
@@musiqtee The staff seem to stand around a lot waiting for a train to arrive so that they can get it to leave again.
The issue is the lack of communication from TfL to the staff explaining what’s happening to the name ‘overground’
Mind blowing. This is literally round the corner from me.
I love these scripts. There's just the right amount of snark in them.
If you Google Willie Starchfield murder you should get a British Transport Police report into the case. Interesting. Great video as always Jago
Wow! An actual logical reason for the name "Mildmay Line".
I'm looking forward to a new video where Jago finds some bricks next to the line to Watford and tells us it used to be Lioness Road Station. 😉
Perhaps a lioness escaped from the zoo and made it way to Watford via the line whereupon it was finally caught.
@@PsychicLord Or a lioness who lived in Watford and had to commute to the Zoo every day.
@@PsychicLord I assume there were Lionesses at the Wembley exhibitions of the past
@@highpath4776the railway stations were guarded by lionesses, didn't you know? Harsh, but no repeat offenders. Also saved on burials 😂
Chuckle at your last sentence!
And OMG! at the infanticide story... eek!
The council ward the line runs through in N1 is called Mildmay. Be wonderful if they could rebuild Canonbury Station to the original design. It was beautiful.
Canonbury Station is now very busy and having only one gate out and one gate in, plus a two way gate is not enough to handle the increased passenger flow. I doubt that Edwin Horne’s original station building would be replicated but something along the lines of a Hackney Wick rebuild would be good. There is plenty of space for a larger surface building, and the current structure cannot be listed in any way (being from the public lavatory breeze block school of architecture).
The East London Line / Windrush Line also passes that spot, on the other pair of tracks, as well as being the line you need to take to get to the Mildmay Hospital.
So that doesn't really strengthen the case for calling the North London Line the Mildmay Line.
After a hard day’s work, coming home to your video made my day! At 3:35 I thought, “hang on a minute, Jago has been filming in my house!“
(Sorry, I actually have a room in my house full of tinplate trains including those filmed. Dare I ask? Please more nerdy Edwardian antique train shots? Those are beautiful!)
I live in Germany, but when all those years ago I worked in London, I was a fan of the antiquated NLL and even used it! Even then, one could have re-named it the St. Jude’s line as it was something of a lost cause.
Thank you for another superb video, and for the fond memories!
You stumble home late at night, tired after a long days work. As you sit down with a relaxing cup of tea you hear a pop and in a puff of smoke Jago Hazzard appears wrapped in a mysterious cloak and wearing a large brimmed hat. Shocked, you carefully put your tea around and ask what he is doing there, to which a voice with a dulcet tone emerges to say "You are the tin carriages to my train. I am here for the Mildmay" and he suddenly disappears again leaving you wondering if you imagined it... until today... 😊
@@TheGunnarRoxen 😂 you have described the scenario much better than I could!
What sort of tea do you drink?
@@flippop101 builders tea mostly, especially when watching Jago
Patron Saint of Lost Causes? They’d be busy in our time lol
I had the joy of using the Norf London line regularly in the 70s.
Dirty and unreliable would sum in up nicely.
I clearly remember waiting under a cold stair canopy watching the water pour out from a broken drain pipe while the so-called 'every 20 minute' service had descended into a 'every hour if you're lucky' one.
On frosty days, trains hardly ran at all and were absolutely jammed packed although an occasional friendly guard would sometimes let a few of us ride in his compartment
What few trains their were would then travel at little faster than walking pace with the accompaniment of blinding white sparks and loud crackles from its electrical pickup on the third rail.
The total rudeness and unhelpfullness of station staff was something to experience too. And there was one 'regular' passenger with obvious mental health issues and an aversion to washing either himself or his wardrobe who'd walk up and down the platform yelling at people who weren't there .... try to avoid a compartment with him if you could.
Sorry - this all sounds a bit negative - but trust me, it was *all* that bad.
No, not negative - spot on! Dirty, slow, unreliable slam-door Diesel Multiple Units (DMU's) probably sent there to die... A joke of a service. I remember it well from the 70's onward. TfL have transformed it.
Don't forget the arguments over the 'Nuclear Free Zone' and carriage of nuclear flasks on the line, as it is still also a major freight route.
The first railway murder though was further up the line in Victoria park station in 1864
Fantastic! You continue to enlighten me! I never knew there was a patron saint of lost causes! ❤
The Beatles knew. They wrote a song asking him to "take a sad song and make it better".
Superb! This was the first thing I thought of with the line's new name... I think the onus is on TfL to reopen it now and hide their blushes.
How could we be anything but clear when you have explained it so clearly?
Very interesting video as I used to live near Newington Green - a stones throw from Mildmay Park.
Thanks for all this info! You are such a source of data!
Not sure if you knew, but some of the footage you took was filmed in Mildmay Road (which is very much still there!)
Superb! Now, let's keep calling it the North London Line, and maybe the decision makers at TfL will get the message - or possibly not...
Maybe they'll rename it 'The Maiden Line' after another closed station (1917...) to the north of Kings Cross, as TfL seem to think that might be a candidate for reopening to serve the north of the Kings Cross redevelopment.
Mind you, Maiden Lane was originally 'Midden Lane' as it was full of rubbish tips...
Midden Line might have been quite appropriate a few years ago
Hi, Jago, what a timely video after my recent comment on previous video re stations around Hackney, my home stomping ground since 1960, lol.
My younger brother and me were to say the least, scallies when it came to the north london line, esp as living in Albion road, we could walk to Mildmay park station or toward Dalston (usually side tracking onto the line at Boleyn road) and canonbury.
We did regularly get on a train at Mildmay park station and venture to Dalston and Broad street beyond, gawd we'd even venture to Caledonian road on rare ocassions, lol. Point is the Station was still operating around 1968 and 1970 until it closed and when it did close became a car garage before it was totally demolished.
Mildmay Park Station closed to passengers in 1934, although the street level building survived long after that.
@@craigthomson3621 Still got trains from the station as kid's tho, in late 60's.
@@t2Steve1960How? The trains would not stop there. Are you sure it was not Canonbury or Dalston Junction where you caught the train?
@@craigthomson3621 I do not know how either?
i know that Mildmay was the closest station when we moved into area and when my brother and me started exploring further a field from our flats.
My recall and it is an early etching of probably the 1st independent train journey or one of the earliest and Dalston junction the likely destination, with confidence we were to travel further afield.as i said above and regulars at Dalston and Broad street lol
I remember the building being demolished. Wasn’t it done as part of the conversion of the line to a.c. Electrification?
Yes - they had to demolish the surface level building to raise the height of the road bridge to fit overhead electric infrastructure by the side of the rails.
I may be mildly clear on that. I am more certain that if it were not for you, Jago, we wouldnt know this stuff at all.
One tends to think of closed stations all being lost in 1963 after Mr Beeching had a good go at demolishing railways in the UK. But in point of fact, stations did get closed all the time and here is Mildmay being a case in point. I suppose we should be grateful the line itself is still there, still in use and still carrying passengers.
Interesting to learn that there is another hospital associated with St. Jude. Here in the States, St. Jude Children's Research Hospital in Memphis, Tennessee, was founded by the actor Danny Thomas to treat pediatric cancer and other severe illnesses in children.
being admitted to a hospital named after lost causes must be a little worrying.
and there I was thinking it was named after "The Last of the Corinthians" Anthony Mildmay a Mildmay descedent. Tomorrow the Grand National meeting starts and the Mildmay course is named after him so why not a line?
Thank you Jago, just like a good pint of mild and bitter on tap it no longer exists.
This line seems to have several opportunities for unofficial slightly confusing names.
The forgotten line. The Shoreditch slum line. The grizzly murder line. But I think I prefer the Birmingham Docklands link line 😁
Nice Isle of Wight connection.
Great stuff.
3:27 Looking forward to your video on train services to Noah Vale.
Shoreditch hasn't changed much.
Brilliant video sir, here is to Mr JH and his, quite frankly awesome channel!
Mildmay Grove, can there be many roads with a railway running down the middle? Longways not across.
I LOVEthe MILD giggles u elicit from me Jago
Jago, yah dun it agen, anuver fantastk video.
Without a doubt Jago you are an absolute mine of useless information but i love it.
My dad lived very close to Mildmay Park station in the 1920s and he told me about going by train from Mildmay Park, in the 1960s when i was a teenager in the we often drove past the old station and dad would tell me about the area and how the station closed long before the war.
My father was a gold mine of usless information, well especially if you were a sporty type which my dad and I aren't.
Keep thsee interesting videos comingvJago, you are my line out of my closed station.
Regards Steven
Please Jago keep on the ball. Points, for additionally showing the Railway Tavern. However, you missed both the Lady Mildmay pub (on Mildmay Road 🙄) and the Weavers Arms. Both nearby. What sort of pub/rail guide is this?
..and if you ever get off the train at Canonbury Station you must visit The Snooty Fox.
I used to pronounce the name , Mildmay, the same way that you have done in this video, with a long 'i', and I presume that that is how it is pronounced in that area of London. After all, that is how you pronounce 'mild' ! However when working for Ordnance Survey in Mothecombe, South Devon where the Mildmay Estate is, and home of the Mildmay family, I was informed in no uncertain terms that the correct pronunciation of the name is with a short 'i' as in guild, lilt, mid, etc. and I also found by Googling the pronunciation, they also used the short 'i''. I also worked on satnav with the OS in London and noticed the name in the area you videoed but can't remember the pronunciation of the name coming up as an issue then. Is that the correct way of saying Mildmay in London?
Used to have a drink in a wonderful pub called the Earl of Radnor close to this stretch of line. Gone now of course.
Been following you for some years and this video led me to wonder how may miles of abandoned track is there in Britain?
Are there
at least 5
Literally hundreds of miles - Dr Beeching did not mess around.
Saint Jude is also the patron saint of the police. Just to add confusion is there a police station near the Mildmay station? 🙂
Fascinating video!
Jago, you explain things well so we’re all clear on what it that you were trying to clear.
Big thanks Jago ! My Dad lives in the area & I was always curious about that section of railway & it's history !
I remember that you're constructing a model line at home. Will it take the form of somewhere already in existence, or will it be something new & exotic ? - anything from : Jago's Joy Line (where everything runs on time) or the opposite : The Greater Hazzard Network. 😜
Thanks again.
I’m finding a bit of an interest in the North London Railway as of late. I’ve been doing some research and I’ve considered making one of the Pryce 4-4-0T tanks and a luggage van as Lego models.
Slight update: I’ve actually made progress on the models. The 4-4-0 tank I’ve decided will be No. 6, the one that was set aside for preservation but got cut up anyway.
To be fair if St Jude helps you it's an automatic miracle so better than being patron saint of headaches...hi St Theresa of Avila
I was at St Theresa's church in Avila only last week. I thought I had caught the sun, but now I know my headache was her fault!
Classic East London, has to involve a murder story! LOL. Not so keen on the new names of the Overground lines still but I guess at least one of them has some geographical correlation!
Patron saint of lost causes feels like a Smiths lyric
I bet the fights between the Guns n Roses line and Maiden Lane were legendary..... "Welcome to North London, we've got fun n games"
Great video JAGO H
Great video Jago
Further reading suggests there are many Patron Saints with very daft ‘jobs’. St.Jude got off lightly, I reckon.🤔😉✌️
Well learning more about this Mildmay really does add a twist .
You see for whatever reason and i will check to see if the name is still used when i hear the name Mildmay i don’t think of London at all but Liverpool & the Area of Aintree , You see at the racecourse the track with the lower fences ( Non Grand National ones) was the Mildmay .
Ok more on the name Mildmay connected with Aintree & Horse Racing . The name came from Anthony Mildmay ( Later Lord) who was a champion jockey and had rides in the Grand National , He wanted a race so that horses could get used to national hunt racing & used to the grand national hurdles , Eventually that did come about and the course was named after him .
Anthony Mildmay was also instrumental in getting Queen Elizabeth ( The Queen Mother) to take interest in horse racing.
Excellent video, but there's a kind of misty film over most of the shots. I cleaned my glasses twice. Forgive me if that is an artistic effect, nostalgia for the passing of Aspects of Mildmay, but it looked a bit like what I get when I forget to clean the lens on my phone.
I recently watched a video of the driver’s eye view of a Piccadilly line train.. in the underground section I noticed the curve of the arch over the tunnel portal was painted with different colours and patterns at each station. Is there any reason or significance to this decoration? ⭐️⭐️⭐️👍👍👍 from 🇦🇺
Did the portal also have steel bars hanging down preceding them? The colour difference is I suspect a means of warning district line trains (which I think are larger) to stop. They shouldn't ever be signalled onto the wrong tracks but mistakes can happen. The bars before the portal is reached alerts the driver to the problem. May break his windows too, but that's a minor issue compared to what might happen.
Not far from there I can recommend Gesya Cafe on Balls Pond Road
Quote of the Day: “Well, me! Glad you asked!”
St Jude is the patron saint of Lost Causes... Rather ironic that the station was closed and the line called the 'Forgotten Railway'
Well I'm clear about it, Jago, but I don't think Tansport For London is!
I’m hoping for a mild May, what with April being decidedly soggy so far…
Very Mildmay Jago (What ever what that is suppose to mean!!!) 🤔😉🚂🚂🚂
Jago... do you have finger prints on your camera lens? The videos seem a little cloudy... of course it could be on my end too.
At last! Been telling people about this for years BUT no one believes me as it has almost no sign of it nor the appearance of any space for it from the top.
Random (slightly connected question): are the 'new' lines going to have their own branding in the stations? The reason is that the Clapton station (on the Weaver Line) has just has the platform stuff (bridge and shelter supports) repainted into a new colour scheme. Nothing on my next closest station, Rectory Road (same O/G line).
If there is a repainting plan you can be sure it's a slow one and only when repainting is needed. TFL are quite skint right now.
No!
The Central line stations are generally decorated in exactly the same as those on the Piccadilly line dispute them being separate entities on the tube map.
That’s is because both the Central and Piccadilly are mere subdivisions of the underground division of TfL. - which is operationally and managerially completely separate to the other TfL divisions.
The same principle applies to the newly announced names. All services are still part of the Overground division of TfL and as such stations etc will be decorated with a uniform Overground branding.
Yes at Platform level where different lines serve different platforms (e.g. Highbury) then you will probably get ‘to the Mildmay line’ and ‘to the Windrush’ line (Just as Bond Street has ‘to the Central Line’ and ‘to the Bakerloo line signage - but that won’t alter the fact that all Overground stations will deliberately be decorated the same way regardless of the line(s) which serve them
3:44 Coal Tank!
You assume wrong, sir🥴. This is why I blame London when I can't find things😂
Classic!
Apropos of nothing, I always associate Mildmay with green, as it was one of the four house colours at my school. I think it was chosen because it was the name of two baronetcies in Essex.
as londoners we should have just kept the norf landun and sarf landun lines
At 4.21 a train passes a green signal which doesn't immediately change to red. Is this unusual? Out here in South Western Railway land the red appears as soon as the front carriage is level with the signal. A nerdy question, I know, but that's just me!
Signal change is generally when the entire train has passed. I believe it's because it would otherwise trigger track protection equipment.
The section protected by the signal may start a little beyond the signal itself - the signal being where it is so it can be seen from a distance: note the bridge a little way beyond the signal. This separation also gives some a safety margin if a train overruns a red signal - the previous signal will not have cleared until the line is clear for the length of that safety margin beyond the signal.
The train you see will still be protected by the previous signal being at red. On some lines the "overlap" (the distance between a signal and the end of the section protected by the previous signal) will have its own detection ("track circuit") and the signal will go to red more quickly
Wondering if an actual park next to a train station with Park in its name (of any mode!) is the exception rather than the rule!
Another nerdily enjoyable video, but perhaps time to give your lens a clean?
This should me the Mildmay drinking game
Any chance of a video on the Palace Gates railway line?
I only found out about this short line a few months ago purely by accident. I noticed on Google Earth a railway bridge that was on what appeared to be flat ground, it transpired it had been infilled and flats built on the line at that point.
Jago did it 2 yrs ago. Search: Wood Green's lost railway.
Already done!
I'm still calling it North London Line
Mild it may well be. It lives up to its unassuming nature if the murder it could muster wasn't even committed there- it's just that's where the train was when the body was found.
0:20 that looks like Mrs. Kindly's gaffe off the Tommy Tank show