Do radiator fins really matter?
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What gaming chair would you guys recommend to get more fps on games
+Omar R.
There is not necessay a need to get a new one, what many don't know, is that with PC-gaming you can just update old stuff.
Give your chair new shiny paint, green is the best value/performance in my opinion, and your system will have better windresistance. A spoiler helps too. I now get 16 fps with Fall Out 4, before it was 14. Feeling like part of the master-race now, and I'm looking damn pimp while doing it.
+Steve Tovey what about an xbox 1 controller or playstation controller.
+Omar R. A stool
+Omar R. Dr. Evil's chair, if you lose a match you can press a button and drop your enemies in to a tank of sharks with fricking lasers attached to their heads.
+Omar R. whatever chair you choose, just make sure it has variable refresh rate.
tl:dw - FPI means fins per inch. more is generally better but not always. read reviews
Your trying to tell one of the most experienced watercoolers how do their job? Yeah good luck buddy
+Daniel Burgos I didn't tell Jay how to do anything. I'm a big fan of his content in general. it was just a basic summary for people who don't have time / can't be bothered to watch the whole video
+BattMarn Except there is more to FPI than the amount of fins. The kind of fins matter too.
+JayzTwoCents not really you even say it in the video.
+Ottavianus Augustus He did mention the difference between 'standard fin' and 'split fin'.
I think a video about how to properly maintain a watercooling loop after its been together for awhile would be awesome. like cleaning radiators, flushing the system, checking for corrosion and build up.
These videos where you just sit and talk to explain something are my favorite, especially when they are about water cooling.
u da reel mvp Jay. I'm planning to watercool my rig and I'd never have the confidence to do so if it wasn't for your channel
I don't do water cooling. Heck I don't even have the side panel on for over 2 years now to keep my components cool. BUT I watched every video Jay has done, watercooling or not. Keep it up Jay!
Can we get a video on fittings?
+Shamen Shamen Jay has done one already, go back on his recent uploads
+Dah_v fine, a video on reservoirs and reservoir/pump combos.
You just want a new video from jay don't you? Doesn't really matter what on 😂
might be cool to have a vid on TEC stuff.
+Shamen Shamen Just don't get monsoon fittings that come with a tool, they're terribly difficult to put on
In the automotive world we call it "Fin Density". Condensers (AC Refridgerant radiators) can run as high as 96 FDM (Fins per decimeter). These fins are VERY thin (0.02mm thick) and have a special contour stamped into the fin to optimize cooling. Higher Fin Density generally has a higher cooling capacity, but it depends on the thickness of the condenser...the automotive world has moved from 25MM Thick Condensers to 16mm, and now to 12mm. The Fin Densities have increased due to this as well as the number of "passes" and tube rows. GREAT video BTW.
I've just finished my first water cooled rig and have to say, water cooling isn't quieter. Pushing air through radiators is considerably louder than just pushing air. Plus you generally need higher fan speeds for the rads to work efficiently. What is much better though is that you can run your fans off water temp rather than cpu. This completely does away with the really annoying ramping up and down of fans. So even though its slightly louder it's much less noticeable as it's more consistent.
8:03 RIP bent fin ;-;
Thought this might be sports related for about half a second(FPI=Football Power Index).
Jay, could you do a video about Single vs Dual vs Quad channel DDR4 memory in an i3 6100 and a 2pcs GTX 980ti @4K? See how well RAM speed helps the CPU if it's the bottleneck in the system. It's purposely i3 6100 so it would bottleneck the cards at 4K. Digital Foundry did this but they didn't show single vs dual vs quad channel configurations.
This is actually a good idea! I still have single channel in my pc, it will be interesting to see what benefit there is to getting more ram in dual channel.
LinusTechTips did a video on that I believe. Just use the keywords: dual channel vs single channel.
Just A Meme That was DDR3 and they didn't use a system where the CPU is the bottleneck (I mean a huge bottleneck like i3 6100 on 4K). Memory speed greatly helps in CPU performance when it's the bottleneck. Similar to how overclocking RAM helps integrated graphics (which is part of the CPU). I prefer jayztwocents, MW technology, awesomessauce network, and digital foundry when it comes to testing over linus' channel anyway.
+Vanguardas Vucava Oh sorry I didn't read the cpu part.
um... I3 only has up to dual channel.... It doesn't support quad channel.....
floating point integer
Personally, I feel I really benefit from your informative videos like this one. I know nothing about liquid cooling and have always worried about leaks. That being said, your videos are building up my confidence to maybe give it a shot. Thank you Jay.
I just put in two pretty high FPI rads. I got the EK 280 CE with 16 fpi and Hardware Labs stealth 360. Overkill for a 4790k and Titan X but I do plan on going with SLI for Pascal so I figured I might as well go ham on the Rads now. Also my first PETG loop went smoothly. Once you get the temperature control down it's pretty easy.
Very helpful. Thanks Jay...when's the next nerd box openings or any care package opening for that matter?
I really wish people made fpi really obvious when buying a rad, I can never find it listed
Came in expecting him to not know what he was talking about, left impressed that he knows exactly what he is talking about and very thorough. Great vid.
I hosed my PC down, does that count as water cooled?
+Angel Luis Trinidad only if it was running at the time!
spoiler allert FPI is the acronym for fin per inch ;)
+ODIO POWER Now, the world makes a little more sense.
Spoiler alert: I already knew that sucka!
One thing I haven't seen anyone do is a older tech refresh video. How to keep an older PC relevant. But great job on this video!
Jay it's
ST30
XT45
UT60
Monsta (80mm)
I'm still rockin' my old school MCW6000, low-FPI 120mm rad and an MCP355 cooling my 2500k@4.8Ghz. The loop is 11 years old and has cooled 3 machines in that time. I'd say the pump is... just a TAD over it's rated MTBF at this point. I'm all about that budget life.
Like the new space. I especially like the clean look.
can you do a video where you actually test an overclocked system with a 8 FPI and a 16 FPI, and turn the fans both to 50% and 100%. to get some real numbers.
and another video idea for you... maybe do a video on how much air flow u need for 8, 16 and 20 FPI, because i often see the air flow listed as CFM. and how much this impacts the cooling and a airflow fan vs. a static pressure fan
Could you make a video showing the difference in thermals when using those 2 rads? First with stock speeds to see if there's actually no difference when you aren't pushing the limits of the rads and then with a heavy output system to see the opposite happening.
since im pretty new in the world of water cooling, im glad jay made this vid because im thinking about making a custom loop, and i had no idea what the fpi was when people asked me so thanks a lot for the vid
Did my what? DID MY WHAT? lmao
"Did my sarcasm hurt your feelings?"
Being a Mechanical Engineer watching these videos make me happy. Its good to see tech reviewers taking the laws of science into effect. great explanation jay!!!!
I've been building my own liquid-cooled systems for years and I've never even heard the term FPI. Thanks a lot, Jay.
ST30 radiators are 14FPI per Alphacool's technical schematics and I can verify with the two ST30 120.2 radiators on my desk are certainly not 8FPI. Also, it's ST30, XT45, UT60 and Monsta.
Jay, a video on pumps would be nice. When not to D5? AIO with the new Swiftech Prestige units would be good as well.
Thanks Jay, I had vague idea what Fpi did/was. This confirmed and helped further what I know. Thank you.
Hello Jay, great video!! You mentioned that the cool capacity of the rad is not linear with respect to the FPI. A vid on comparing a 6, 8, 16, 20 FPI would be neat, also the thickness I am assuming that a 60 will not be twice as good as a 30 mm in thickness. Lastly, air flow through the rad. What is the relationship between airflow and cooling. I would assume that the efficiency of the cooling is not linear to CFM being pushed through the rad.
Just ordered a Black Ice sr2 360 rad (Low FPI), due to your recommendations of the brand. Previously i've been running all Alphacool rads.
SO glad you changed "THE SKUNKS" color scheme WAAY better in that orange. Respect :)
Rocking a XSPC AX360 and a AX240 with Corsair SP120 Quiet editions. Works fine and even at full blast the system is only audible when the air unit in the house is powered off or I am not playing music. Temperatures are pretty darn good too.
I'm diggin Swiftech radiators, especially the ones with the end tank reservoirs... but not their paint jobs. I swear I could breathe wrong on these things and the paint would chip.
Would be good to see real head to head test between dif fpi. Maybe something for the future videos?
I'm using one EK-Coolstream PE 360 rad, one EK-Coolstream PE 240 rad and one EK-Coolstream SE 120 rad.
I would love to see a test of as many fans from as many manufactures to see how they stack up in use, also to see how much more cooling you get going from 120mm to 140mm fans. Just a series of videos totally dedicated to fans on the market from the cheap to the expensive. Yeah I am kind of a nerd for little details like this.
Oh and thank you for all your videos for liquid cooling . I have used closed loop cooling in my system so far with a krakenx61 and the r9 295x2. But you gave me the knowledge to be able to build my own loop . Keep up the good work
Do a video on understanding pump and system curves (pressure vs. flowrate diagram), maybe also parallel vs. serial designs
Is there a way to measure the temp of the water in the loop and base your fan profiles off of that? For example, I don't want the radiator fans running at all for noise, but have them kick on once the water temp is high enough. The pump will continue drawing heat away but passively dissipate the heat. There's no reason to keep the water cooled with fans because the thermal density of water is pretty high so the water would never really heat up much until the system is under load for extended periods of time. I hope that question made sense, I couldn't really figure out how to word that.
Judging from comments in many of your past videos, people have many
different interests so whatever vids you make will be watchable if you
have the same attention to detail & production value.
How much total TDP per 120mm of rad would you recommend? How do you know how many radiators you need to cool an entire loop?
I haven't watched on of your videos in about 3 weeks, but that move got you back in shape!
i know this has been asked over and over but is push pull helpful yay or nay?
I hate how some manufacturers don't mention the FPI
They give some story about how its design allows use for ultra low speed fans
Good job Jay! I was going to ask you about this exact topic, but now I don't need to :)
Completely logical but something I know I never even thought of. Good info.
Just got my Alphacool 240 kit, works like a charm and only spent $150 on ebay
physics and maths lessons were complementary with this video :-) thanks jay
I have two Alphacool Nexxxos rads in my pc. One 360mm ST30 in the top and one 360mm UT60 in the bottom. They do a fantastic job keeping my two GTX 980's and i7 4790k @ 4.7ghz cool.
could you do something like a back to the roots oldschool watercooling build with used hardware and stuff like old car rads and a completely selfbuilt loop?
I'm going to answer every one of Jay's videos with the title in the form of a question.For this one: Fins per inch. Yes.
it would be interesting yo have an acoustic and visual comparation of what you just talked about. Compare sound and temperatures of different systems with more or less FPI radiotors and fans.
Talking head or not, i still enjoy the info alot! Proffesional and to the point. So for a dual 980ti setup and an OCed Skylake i should get seperate rads for the loops? Since the TDP won't be enough to keep it quiet and cool? Planning my first WC process.
love your vids been a fan for a while and info like this is very helpful.
Jay, have you ever done a video on push vs pull airflow? and would a push and pull be benefit?
I have an idea for another video - compare all the fans that you own, subjectively
people say gentle typhoon is the best fan, but I found I prefer noiseblocker models
Great video Jay! Could you cover flow restriction for rads? According for xtremerigs tests it matters.
Yo jay could you explain more about controlling fans. not by fan controllers, but by the pwm functions on a mother board, how to set up custom fan curves, how to make the fans silent or assigning specific temperature sources for automatic control for example GPU temp.
Jay, what is a crossflow radiator, and how does it compare, cooling-wise to a normal radiator?
Great info, Jay! Made me reconsider my system build. Thanks!
Hey Jay,
If you could do a video on pumps, diffrent designs, pros and cons and how much it affects cooling. why did you go with the pump that you did.
different question:
When you set up water cooling with pull configuration only (eg to avoid dust collection beneath the fan) does it matter if you use static pressure or airflow fans?
I really wanted to know If more CPU Power Phase will help with better OC and at what quantity, More Phase don't matter at all... Every time you google this, There are multiple articles defending both sides of the arguement with good and valid reason so I would love a physical demo to settle this once and for all :D
Upvote this fellas if you want Jay to notice :)
I always love learning about watercooling, KNAWLEDGE IS POWA
Hey Jay, I have a question for you? I'm fairly new to this channel, but i have watched many of your videos before, but now subscribed! Anyway i was wondering if you could use a radiator without using a fan at all? If you had a reasonable sized radiator just cooling your CPU for example and you had the pump circulating the water would you even really need to have a fan on the radiator at all? I'm thinking that just moving the heat to a bigger surface area would still keep the thermals well inside the designed limits? Not sure if you know the answer? But thought i would ask because your the "Cooling Guy", But if not, that would be a cool experiment to try and maybe video? thanks in advance.. Drew
I'm planning on doing an EKWB build. I've got a Fractal D.Define S and because I've heard that you can fit two slimline 360's in it, that's what I'm looking to do.
26mm height. I'm really hoping it'll fit but I can't be 100% certain. Reaaaaaaally hope it'll fit.
10:50
"Do you think there was something important here I should have mentioned".
Yeah, an actual test of both rads, at varying fan speeds, controlling for both temperature and sound levels. Your video was instructional, but I still don't know if it "matters".
Might be a good video to show the data on denser FPI rads vs lighter FPI rads. Just a fun video idea
so much useful information, thanks Jay!
Thanks for share your knowledge!
Can you make a video about Restriction on Watercooling parts?
I have some questions about it.!
Thanks Jay this really helped me understand the difference and also with regards to the fan speeds. I am using a 8 fpi radiator and fans being run at 50%. Keep up the great work
Your videos are putting a custom water loop within my reach, both with knowledge and with buying appropriately for my budget. Thank you!
Thanks for the video! ive been looking to put together a custom loop for a while now and this video helped a lot with rad selection
Put those two head to head to show if and when they perform different :P
You keep advertising my parts =o I bought a build off a guy and it has a EVGA 980 TI hybrid and it has two radiators in the system. I have a three fan radiator and a two fan radiator. My TI is on a custom block and the backplate is off a titan X . It makes for a nice look to the system. Both the GPU and CPU are run on an Alpha cooling system and the water goes through both radiators and my system stays nice and cool.
The larger is a ST30 full copper 360 and the other is a ST30 full copper 240 Heat has not been a issue :> but wait till I have to clean it right lol. I also have an MSI overclocking board but I been having good performance and have not seen a reason to overclock it yet. I plan on overclocking once games get a little more demanding though.
I have six fans in the system so no it's not a quite system but I'm weird =p I find computer noises relaxing.
The build was only a week old but the guy wanted money to finish his skylake build and lets just say the computer gods smiled upon me. I did not build it but she is my baby now. She spoils me rotten =x She even has a soundblaster Z card.
I feel spoiled but I am sure some of the race things it's a disgrace right =p z97 board and corsair vengeance DDR3 memory 2400 ram 16GB only. What was I thinking right? only a 4790k. There maybe faster and more expensive rigs but mine still makes me feel spoiled.
I have not had her long but it popped up at just the right moment when I got some student funds back and the guy that built it wanted to sell it. I got the whole system for 1600 and two of the three hard drives are SSD.
I tried not being an obnoxious little sh*t about it but my head was about to explode wanting to talk about my new system >.> I just could not resist D: forgive me D:Yup I'm a horrible person. :|
Great video Jay, I enjoy them a lot and always find that I learn something new!
Thanks for doing all this videos kido.
Keep up the good work! I love the watercooling vids!
Thanks for the Video J... Helped me out a lot been in the balance of which raid to go with on this new build ... Once i'm done with the paint job!
I've watched a lot of Jay's water-cooling videos but there's still something I don't understand, how do you flush and fill a water-cooling loop and control the inflow and outflow?
JayzTwoCents
Have you done a video on cleaning radiators?
Mine is quite dusty.
Was in a stressed mood. Watched your video. And now im calm. Love your videos. Tech is our yin and yang.
I'm surprised about the plug for AlphaCool. No EK Jay???
I use a Watercool MoRa 3 Pro 9x 120mm radiator, this thing ceeps my system dead silent. ok this radiator can handle upto 200 watt heatdisapation passive.
The fans on it are noiseblocker Mult M12-S2 wich are controled via an aquaero 5, down to 500 upm.
Well I gotta say, this video was very refreshing to watch. You weren't as awkward with all the korny sex jokes... Idk if that's like your viewers jam, but I really liked this video :P Informative and proffesional yo, thats how I liek it.
Nice vid Jay, what I would love to see is how you plan your water cooling loop, or the route inside/outside the computer.
You know as hot as my G-Sync monitor is running. Maybe we should start thinking about liquid cooling the chips inside the monitors now. It transfers the heat all the way through to the front of the screen.
Jay you run those monitors. Have you not notice the heat involved. Could you check and see what kind of temperatures are really being generated.
I really need your help with this one. Hard to find anybody that will listen. I really think there's an issue here. If you could check it out and find out if I'm right or wrong. If I'm wrong, great. No harm no foul. But if I'm right, you could be helping a lot of people. By catching this early in the monitors life and then maybe coming up with a fix.
Dear Jay, Is it better or worse to install your radiator with the ports on the top (UP) or with the ports on the bottom (DOWN)?
you should do a video on differences between the different fan quantities of 120vs140 rads.
here's a next topic for ya water cooling is it good for pc's with nvdia gt cards only or mini video cards or is air cooling enough
What's more efficient at heating a room? A PC radiator or a fan heater?
Would be a funny video but actually kinda interesting.
I love the intro song so much! can someone tell me the name? I understand that its from audiomicro but i would like to know the name of it
I swear I've watched a vid where Jay talks about fpi, fittings, and water cooling in general before...
Very informative video, but other than noise factor why are there not more uses of the centrifual blower with water cooled systems ? Other than the noise issue I can think of none, apply the FPI variable from this video to that of the fan in, mention could a more efficient design be accomplished ?
Great information Jay! Thank you very much for this video.