Liminal Spaces Are Stupid Now
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- Опубликовано: 18 сен 2024
- Or maybe they've always been stupid but due to the bar lowering so much their stupidity has become more evident...
Or maybe I should shut up.
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Yes, I'm a novice Liminal Photographer. And yes, I don't take myself seriously. I both agree and disagree with you. I agree that when a topic's community gets too popular, it can lose a lot of mystery and scariness. But even so, I still love Liminality as a whole. I don't find Liminal Spaces scary. Sometimes they're not even unnerving. I just like the weird feeling they give you.
i agree. they actually feel pretty peaceful.
Same with the backrooms
I agree. And yeah, like lots of cool things that become extremely popular, authenticity tends to decrease the more it shows up online. It takes some looking to find what’s worth watching.
I'm not certain if you are still a novice as it has been four months. However, I still want to give some advice on how I would love to view liminal photographs. Try to visit places keeping the 90s and 20s styles. They hold great key points in liminality as they tend to be a great visual shift in advancement architecturally. Then you want to deprive or carefully add certain emotions.
Do take this with a grain of salt. I am no photographer of liminal spaces. I hope this helps as I do enjoy a fair bit of liminal pictures. They all tend to be so creative and that's the beauty of it.
yeah same
I find the backrooms interesting. The horror is supposed to come from the endless rooms itself and not from stupid entities.
The backrooms are pretty cool in theory yeah. I don't really keep track of all the new lore people have created with like the monsters and the colonies, I think? For me there's a certain threshold for how "out there" a concept like the backrooms should get before it becomes ridiculous and I think when those parts were included it went over the line.
@@Gourune Ecaxtly!
@@Gouruneyeah I get that it’s like becoming some type of SCP shit, which I dislike cause we already have a lot of those, why try making something original into something that we already know, when liminal spaces are meant to be unknowing and the horror of uncertainty of trying to grasp what you’re trying to understand. I do like the idea of the mentality deterioration and how your sanity slowly makes you portray as if you’re being followed.
I’m so glad someone said exactly what I was thinking
@@FishDrinkLightGreen Indeed! Maybe you can find my standalone comment here where I wrote about this problem in greater detail, it could interest you.
Nostalgia is just nostalgia you can’t call it cringe it just is what it is.
exactly what i thought
I first experienced this in Tokyo in the 90s during New Year's when an entire section of the city I was used to seeing bustling turned into an empty eerily silent place - I still remember a single crumpled newspaper blowing on by. It makes you consider how things can change quickly or without warning.
It went from being alone to watch out there’s an overpowered monster with you while also making sure you dont go through the wrong door or touch the wrong thing and your teleported somewhere else, I fell out of it just like SCP when it became too popular and animators took over.
SCP fell off long before the animators stepped in. Site quality had been steadily (sometimes rapidly) dropping for years beforehand.
I'll be real there are some really cool liminal space animations like the Back Rooms series by Kane Pixels. I think it's just of people adding too much fuel to the fire cuz the more the lore is expanded upon the more outlandish it slowly gets. I'm not trying to sound gatekeep-ish or anything but there was a perfect balance of lore and surreal-ness when the backrooms (and liminal spaces at large) first started getting popular.
The idea that something was there with you was what ruined it for me, I loved the thought that you'd be stuck in a space you shouldn't be for what could be forever, completely alone to slowly go mad
exaclty. it ruined the whole point of liminal spaces
I think the main problem is the conflation of liminal spaces with the backrooms. Apart from a few creators like Kane pixels, the backrooms have lost their appeal.
TBH if I had the opportunity to go to the backrooms I'd do it. I'd probably get killed by one of those creatures but it'd be a fun experience while it lasted.
The problem is, that the Backrooms ARE liminal spaces! It is a classification not a thing. The Backrooms are jsut a very prominent example of a liminal space.
@@Gourune Same, to be honest even being killed would be an experience
The backrooms has split, there is the liminal archives, where liminal images are given a story, wikidot / fandom, a heavily story based place, not even really liminal at this point, totally thrown to the wayside, and I FELL INTO THE POOLROOMS AT 3AM AND MET KANEPIXELSLs, or someone with 10 minutes and a basic knowledge of blender nodes. Only the Liminal Archives is still really liminal.
@@Gourune same. its like a dream
I’m currently working on a video about liminal spaces. And man I gotta say you’ve picked out all of my grudges with the “community”. The feeling liminal spaces invokes in me is what draws me to it. Like it’s a place I’ve seen in a dream. This doesn’t work when you just take any location and make it empty. I’m hoping to dodge all of these tropes and cliches when making the video, it’s hard to stand out and explain what they really mean when everyone just shouts “omg this reminds me of the backrooms!!”
In your opinion, how is it really called Liminal Spaces?
Somewhat related note, but it's so bizarre seeing the concept of the backrooms go from "uneasy liminal space" to "this is where you go when you noclip in reality lmaooo" to "found media VHS creepypasta horror".
I feel like it's to the detriment of the concept to turn it into the next SCP thing, but people are eating it up so I must be the minority.
I mean, it's kind of not a surprise that people sort of made it into a new SCP type of thing when you consider that both SCP and The Backrooms both started on 4chan.
I don't put too much faith in what people on the internet think about something. These are hyper-consumerists who don't have any sense of quality because they spend most -if not all- of their time online. They don't know how to mediate their tastes.
@@thenateshow4371 Then this proves that the rest of the internet (or just redd*t) only ruins what 4chan makes.
@@physical_insanity Indeed! No own aesthetic values.
Most of the so-called liminal spaces of neighborhoods and empty highways are the ones that make me feel almost nothing.
Because it's literally just "oh my god I stepped outside after 9pm! I'm losing my mind!"
The point of a liminal space, in my mind, is to evoke the sense of a place you forgot to even remember, yet feel like you were there. With the highway example, it doesn't feel like a place I have been before and long since wiped away, it feels like going home from McDonalds because I was at a friends house.
*There are some key problems:*
- Most people don't know anything about spatial theory and even less about _Marc Augés paper about Non-Places_ (one could argue the whole phenomenon is labeled wrong lol)
- thats the reason they can't just enjoy the *atmosphere* of a place and it's *surreal structure* that induces such, but directly skip it by habit and feel the need to add entities. In a moderate and well done way _(see Kane Pixels great art)_ this is totally fine, as for the original Backroomspost gave the possibility of such, but they made it like it was a sad second SCP structure. Same goes for the absurdity of the "Wiki" that is full with illogical and not thought through texts by people who have not the slightest idea of worldbuilding or good writing _(again see Parsons work for a splendid example)_ , that make the whole concept of the Backrooms and thereby "Liminal Spaces" obsolete in their storys - the concept of it's atmosphere, it's ambiance, it's "architectural" structure.
- Pictures Of Nature/Landscapes are not "Liminal Spaces"! As you said: "Dude, thats just an electrical tower". It can work under certain circumstances, with thick Fog and/or nighttime and therefore a black surrounding, _(on the black void that is evokes by nighttime and other great thoughts on the LS-topic see Clark Eliesons Video "Liminal Spaces: An Existential Theory")_ being the least effective instances, or nature from an old videogame as one of the very effective instances of landscape as "Liminal Space". (I now could write about this videogame-nature-spaces and their classification as "liminal spaces" alone for a while, but I save that for my paper at university, where I am writing one just about this topic of Liminal Spaces.)
Thank you nice random person from the internet that read this comment! It shows, that you are at least more interested in this topic and not just one of the random tiktok-haha-slides-in-the-backrooms-wheeee-people who ruined the topic for themselfes on a sciolistic level. I apologize for any errors in grammar or spelling english isn't my first language. Dieser Kommentarbereich ist nun Eigentum der BRD! _(Einen Text zu Videospielen und Liminalität, den ich deutschsprachigen Interessent*innen empfehlen kann ist: Digitales Spielen als Bildoperation im Zwischenraum von Sophia Kunze)_ Grüße bitte!
Any books about spatial theory? Does it require a background knowledge on philosophy/a philosophy branch or science, or it can be read just casual?
Thanks!
I've been doing a lot of (personal, not academic) research on liminal spaces and spatial horror, thanks for sharing some new avenues to explore!
@@EzzeSoy Because spatial theory is a very broad field, there can be different approaches. The term is used in many different fields, like ethnology or arthistory, with varying depth I would say. But I would say that although a knowledge of philosophy can certanly be very helpful it is not mandatory.
I can only give German book recommendations, also it really depends on the way you want to approach the spatial term. For the Liminal Space context I think "Non-Places: An Introduction to Supermodernity" by Marc Augé I mentioned above is great.
@@filmkonstrukteur Thanks! Yes, my research would be aimed to liminal spaces. If you have another recommendations, great! Thank you very much
“That’s the reason they can’t just enjoy the atmosphere of a place and it’s surreal structure that induces such, but directly skip it by habit and feel the need to add entities.” *This*
When the Backrooms had first became a thing, I found it’s concept very interesting. The idea of being in an unknown place unaware of if there were others with you was what made it so great. It was terror instead of horror. Then entities started getting added, excessive rooms were getting added, and guides about entities. The whole premise of the Backrooms was thrown out the window and it felt like a creepypasta or some horror game. It always confused me why games that dealt with the unknown or isolation got bombarded with entities, until I realized that the Backrooms had switched from terror to horror. People felt more comfortable fearing the presence of monsters then fearing the absence of monsters.
I blame the rise in popularity of the whole Backrooms idiocy for the over exposure of liminal spaces. Once something becomes popular on reddit it gets tainted.
me too
No small wonder. Everything on Reddit is cancer.
you sound like someone who doesn't know how to enjoy anything to be honest
Once something hits a place like reddit it's gonna be overused by people who jump on the bandwagon and they'll be beating a dead horse in a matter of days
It actually pains me a lot to see what has happened to Liminal Spaces. I’ve been really invested in the community for a few years, and at first it was so interesting to me, and I still am extremely interested in them because they mean so much to me. But looking at the state that the internet has dragged it to actually causes me pain. I feel like some of it can be attributed to the huge growth of the backrooms, which is something I dread bringing up.
Basically, I agree with a lot of what you said, and it’s sad to see something so close be tainted so much. All we can hope is that someday the internet forgets about liminal spaces so that they become more personal again.
Same honestly
I just love liminal spaces in general... In real life and online. The whole liminal space trend is annoying though. It has become, as you said, bastardized. There's a theatre in town that's amazing.
I grew up around many dying malls, liquidating businesses and just weird building layouts where there were pointless empty spaces. They made me feel nostalgic chills but I wasn’t even old enough to have nostalgia yet. So it was very “dream like.” I even made this little game up with my dad when I was like six about a giant friendly spider creature that hides somewhere out of sight in one of the stores. I vividly remember In elementary school I went to use the bathroom in the nurses office during lunch and the lights were out, the room was dark except for the light from the window and 1901 by pheonix was playing ever so softly over the radio. I remember pausing and being like “whoa. This feels cool.” I hate the freaking backrooms so much. I wish the internet stopped taking shit I love and tearing it apart for their trendy aesthetics. 😭
I mean, the trend will die eventually, then it'll be obscure again
Surprised to see this has so few views. I legit thought this was from one of the channels I watch lol. You make a good point that I think can be applied to anything that gets too popular. Backrooms, SCP, Liminal Spaces... they all got ruined when topo many people hopped on board and they lost the plot. Anyways good vid!
Yeah this pattern is probably gonna always exist til the end of time. I just like complaining when its about something I actually mildly enjoy.
But I'm glad you enjoyed! :)
For me Scp is not ruined it's just that the animated and for kids yt channels made it worse
I think you can easily separate liminal spaces that shows an unusual situation in places where you can see it. And just transitional places that liminal spaces supposed to be as a scientific term
Also, people use "liminal" to mean creepy, rather than its actual meaning, which is being a transition or threshold between different spaces that doesn't fit into clear categories.
I remember very vividly before the pandemic (I’m talking like around may 2019) when the backrooms picture was still kinda unknown to most of the internet, there wasn’t any dumb lore to it, it was just the picture with the text and like you said, it left the viewers to interpret it on their own. That’s what made it so interesting and mysterious. During the pandemic I stumbled upon some backrooms videos and all of a sudden there’s a huge lore apparently, with the entities and there’s 1000+ levels or something. Like huh? Someone just made a bunch of stuff up and the mystery of the original picture was kinda bastardized
There is pretty much the liminal spaces commuity, and the Backrooms community. The backrooms community is mainly just people taking the idea of trapped in liminal spaces, (not even liminal at this point) and ran with it. I really don't think people tried to take from the real story, they just had their little thing. But then, it blew up. I saw the downfall of the Backrooms Fandom Wiki into multiple civil wars. The Wikidot community stays together, it is much more liminal focused, as every article needs to be approved. It is almost like the difference of phycological vs shock horror.
Okay, TL;DR The community didn't want to take from the original idea, it is just the basic idea and running with the danger.
Sorry if this is total nonsense, I need sleep.
@@I_Love_Learning that makes sense. Never really thought about it as 2 different communities but there’s definitely some overlap
@@axlh.1827 There is really some overlap. I learned about liminal spaces, joined the backrooms wiki, eventually left due to drama, started a wiki focused on liminal spaces with lore, before finally just getting back into liminal spaces.
This is a good video. A shame the algorithm isn't picking up on it.
Who knew that pictures I used to take back in the early 2000's of empty interiors were going to become an internet meme
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I don't know about liminal spaces, but having some abandoned shit that last was operational during Soviets rule, definitely can be creepy and was part of spatial nightmares for me as a child.
Nth I never found liminal spaces to be scary or even nostalgic. When I dream it is always in liminal spaces in fact I find a strange sense of comfort being in the unknown. Being stuck in an endless transitional space is unsettling but also exciting.
For me when they tried to make them more scary or add creatures to them or entities thats when I started caring less about things like the backrooms. The concept is cool but I prefer to stay in just the endless transitional space. Lile being in a dream so vivid and unreal that when you wake up you find yourself questioning reality.
Am I making sense I sure hope not.
I think most of the best liminal pics have foggy backround and streetlight lighting. Always hasbeen, and always will be.
I feel like another reason why legitimate liminal spaces (and the backrooms) feel creepy is because it invokes monophobia, the fear of being alone. Very few pieces of media have ever given me a sense of being alone as much as liminal space images have.
I saw my work in your google drive (it's called "my minecraft farm" and it's a damn genius name). I'm very glad that you liked it, because when I made it, I thought it looked very bad and boring💀
Yo. Thank you for putting what I’ve been feeling about this into words so well. I’m glad there are still people out there that appreciate liminal spaces for what they were originally cool for
I loved liminal space aesthetic pre backrooms (before they were called liminal spaces) but after the popularity boomed it kinda turned into a mesh of pool rooms and entities and kinda loses its meaning.
I usually have people hate me for saying poolrooms and completely unrealistic spaces aren’t really liminal just dream like. I’d say the early “familiar places with unnerving music” was its peak. I think liminal spaces is dead or at least stagnated now, these type of places are becoming rare and extinct and people are still posting these lazy “liminal spaces”.
Theres a theory that our planet might or might not be the only thing with life on it. Were either all alone or were not and both are equally terrifying. The backrooms and liminal space play with both those fears by putting us in a world we are familiar with but make it so empty that it feels like youre alone which is terrifying. However the idea of potentially not being alone and the possibility of being targeted by an unknown threat is equally terrifying because you have no idea what your up against because its just you and this unknown creature alone. The entities were a good idea but it became so overused to the point the backrooms and liminal spaces have lost its original touch.
there's a theory that your brains are made of soap
That's the greatest video I've ever came across about this topic man. The whole thing for me is that liminal spaces are places you low key recognize, yet you can't point out from where. That's why they feel so unsettling, half of your inner self seems to feel a comforting connection, while the other isn't quite sure of knowing the place. Just like how we feel when meeting a familiar looking stranger.
Loved your content brother, I will definitely surf around your other uploads. Keep up the great work!
Thank you homes, glad you enjoyed :)
It's a photographic art form. Like all art, you seek out what speaks to you. Bad art is as old as good. Liminal spaces can only be uncool or stupid if you follow trends or movements. If you let go of that, it can never get overexposed or ruined. It's the difference between someone buying fine art because it speaks to them, and someone buying it for its current societal/social compatibility.
I miss the days when liminal spaces were just "strangely familiar places" and it had nothing to do with the backrooms.
It used to be just a bunch of slideshows with eerie music and every now and then you'd see a place that you could have sworn you've been to before.
Now it's just associated with tHe BaCkRoOmS and is considered to only be familiar because it's nostalgic.
The original charm of liminal spaces wasn't just nostalgia and it definitely wasn't the backrooms.
It was the fact that every now and then you'd come across an image of a place that you feel like you have 100% been to and it would make you feel uneasy.
Not because the image had familiar aspects with lack of people BUT the fact that some of the places look so strikingly familiar that you can say almost without doubt that you KNOW you've been there before.
THAT was when liminal spaces were cool.
In my opinion, a liminal space should feel like there aren't people near it. It has to feel like you got trapped and there aren't normal people near you. Obviously, the feeling of being watched is what I want, but whenever I see a liminal space picture, I want to feel like I was there, and I wouldn't straight up just see a normal person walking if I could see more than what was shown in that picture. I just need to feel stuck. Liminal spaces do not always have to be creepy, but they should at least be somewhat unsettling because I want to feel alone in those pictures.
I love liminal space images (even some of the bad ones) but the thing I personally don’t like is adding monsters or “entities” there because it ruins the vibe tbh
Yes
The reason I love liminal spaces is because it takes me back to a time that I know I can't go back to. To me this is more than nostalgia, nostalgia you can always go back to. But this is a concept that I forgot even existed. These were the types of places that you and your cousin would run around and play tag in. I find extreme peace and comfort in these liminal spaces.
I haven't even finished the video but FINALLY someone brings up the subreddit!! I was in it at like 11k members and around the time it was at 100k I was complaining a lot about how the quality was going down and it was better when I first found it, and now that it's at 500k the subreddit is pretty much impossible to save, so much low effort horrible images are being posted. I still have a love for liminal spaces but all the best ones I've already seen and it's hard to find good ones when the market is so saturated. it's kinda funny how once the strangely familiar images videos started to die out the subreddit only got bigger and more low quality. one of these days imma have to make my own rant video lol
edit: I'd also like to mention tumblr is a much better website for liminal spaces and I'd recommend going there instead of reddit
thank you so much for this video I've been waiting for someone to state the problems I've had with liminal spaces as of recent and also the reason why I like them/what makes a good liminal space
i understand this. it's not just liminal spaces in general that I don't like though, it's the ones that have nothing to do with the word "liminal", or at least the ones that simply are stupid. what i would think is "liminal" are things like old schools or workplaces, maybe any place you find familiar from when you went to a place you remember from as being a kid. but i agree, things like highways or just things like stop signs laying around are kind of dumb.
The answer is simple... children and trolls got a hold of this idea and made it theirs. Now it feels childish and stupid.
In addition, when someone uses 'core' to name a sub-genre, it ruins all genres related to it. Just another way genres like liminal spaces and the backrooms have been bastardized.
denouncing an idea you once enjoyed as soon as other people learn about it is really shallow. online communities will extrude literally everything in this way, it just depends on how much power you grant them. I was around when slender man was very serious and very scary, but due to the nature of the internet and the flow of time it eventually changes just like everything does - which is a liminal concept if you think about it! :)
If yall wanna see some liminal spaces all you gotta do is go through the camera roll on a 3ds.
I lost my charger :(
I took so many random pictures of random objects just to see how the 3d effect looked like.
Go to a public space with a megaphone. Yell for everyone to vacate the premises because you want to experience the laminality.
It's the over use of terms that gain popularity that makes this shit stupid.
Like we have to put an existing word to something to turn it into a genre, which just sucks the joy right out of that bad boy - And that, is how most things that gain traction loses it's luster, you're welcome.
You’re mistaken, they always have been from the start. That’s what makes them interesting though
Normies killed tons of Memes and Liminal Spaces is now a dead culture.
I'm going back at Bootleg product images.
I honestly dont care abt liminal spaces at all, but is is rlly fun to wonder if they r real
I have aphantasia so liminal spaces pictures and videos have always been so confusing to me because I personally don't get anything from it compared to others who I heard do get overwhelmed with the mix of nostalgic, comfortable and uncomfortable feelings when looking at liminal pictures and videos. That's actually the only fascination of it to me.
as an expert Liminal photographer, I can agree alot with things like, a simple highway is not liminal. The purpose of this is to find something outside of daily life lost in your memories. If you try to make a liminal space picture into something super basic like a toilet. You fucked up. I don't care if you did it since 2019, you still fucked up. take Jamie Oliver for example, so many years of cooking but still a massive failure. So I say, don't try to make a public hotel corridor liminal if you won't put any effort.
I like the idea of “entities” in liminal spaces. Imagine walking around in a seemingly empty, decrepit, and eerily nostalgic place, thinking you are completely alone. As you walk through the old, empty hallways, you start to get the feeling of being watched. You shrug off that feeling and continue your journey. After a long, tiresome walk, you reach a dark and dreary portion of this maze. The walls are covered in 50’s style wallpaper and a song plays on an old record player. It reminds you of your Grandma’s house, and it gives you a bizarre feeling of both horror and comfort. The song on the record player ends, and is quickly replaced by silence. It’s so quite you feel as of your deaf. You sit on the ground to rest, but then….you hear something. The noise sounds distant, but you can recognize it as the sound of floorboards creaking. You nearly jump out of fear. You hear another sound, followed by another and another. Something’s walking towards you. Your fight or flight response kicks in and you start running as fast as you can. You hear the distant walking become running. Whatever you heard is now chasing you. The halls get darker and darker as you run, and soon, you don’t even know where your going. You crash into a wall and stumble onto the ground. You scream and cry from a mixture of fear, rage, sadness, and insanity. The noises get louder and louder and heavier and heavier. Suddenly, the noises stop. It’s completely quiet again. As you lay on the floor in defeat, you feel something cold and wet brush against your leg. Suddenly, you can feel something grab you by the leg and pull you deeper into the darkness.
Are you speaking from experience?
Thats... actually really well put together
Nah, people still like gatekeeping
It’s not interesting or scary though when people start to classify entities as if they were Minecraft mobs or Pokémon.
I think adding entities is actually a strategy to make liminal spaces less uncomfortable. We are used to hear storys about ghosts, monsters, serial killers, and we know what to do: run. There's nothing new about being chased by something. But, ¿What should we do in a room with strange colours in their walls, with outdated decorations, doors leading to endless rooms, where we don't know how to get out and there is no one we can ask or get help? That was the exciting thing about liminal spaces for me and now it's gone
Aw man I still kinda like the backrooms :(
Nothing wrong with liking it, It is a form of art also.
The big problem is that the things people have learned to identity as 'liminal spaces' are not liminal at all. They are uncanny spaces, which is why they so often dip toward horror in the end.
I honestly hate how liminal space photographers can make innocent wholesome pictures into something " sinister " or " creepy " . Just because a place is empty or devoid of people does not necessity make it " eerrie " in anyway .
its not really supposed to be scary, its supposed to be familiar.
Putting minecraft music is not a really bad idea. It fit really well with liminal spaces
i feel like ppl are taking the liminal space concept and ruining it with entities, AI generated pics, and all that. i always had a fascination with dying and abandoned malls (really since 2006 when i was 5), and everyone bullied me for it. but now, its trendy and cool to like them and so the meaning gets lost. i almost am embarrassed to show off my "anemoia" tattoo (anemoia meaning nostalgia for something youve never experienced, ex. a currently dead mall during its prime which occurred before you were even born). i dont want ppl to think im a pick-me. its also baffling to me when i look into the places and photos on a deeper, more psychological level, you know, how theyre supposed to be looked at, then im being "too obsessed" and "overthinking it"
I swear, if I'd took a photo of my passed grandma's apartments, zoomers would melt.
If anyone wants to experience the whole Old Game + Liminal space feel, there’s a game that came out around 2004 called Yume Nikki (or 2kki, which expands it a bunch)
Playing this game never fails to deliver feelings of nostalgia, uneasyness, or in some cases, horror..
The game is heavy on exploration and the use of “effects” but it’s relatively simple to learn
I'm so glad this video exists
I do think the Backrooms has been overdone and over... uh... too many monsters and too many levels made for it- and I prefer Kane Pixel's work, as it focusses on the original Level Zero- endless yellow halls.
Other than the original yellow Backrooms, I think the only other space that made me truly disturbed with liminal spaces had to be the City from BLAME! by Tsutomu Nihei.
The sheer, mind-boggling size of the City... There's a part where the protagonist, Kill,y makes it to the surface of the city-world, only for his current robotic companion to freak out, because he cannot detect any ceilings. It's the sky. They'd been inside the City for so long, they didn't have a concept of a "sky" anymore. Only a ceiling, as everything was in the singular, monolithic City.
I'd say the true fear lies in an inescapably gargantuan man-made environment. Brutalism, I guess. That's my true fear. Being enclosed in an infinite building, without any natural open spaces.
Stick a monster in there, that's just the extra horror. Are you alone, or not?
Liminal spaces for me is less scary and more of a comfort thing, so I will still love it no matter what, I do agree though that I feel it's losing what it once was. Mainly because people are involving it too much with the backrooms (Which in my eyes is a whole other thing in itself, liminal spaces are more comforting, the backrooms is meant to be unsettling but it pretty much lost all of it when the entities came in.)
All the 9 year olds turned 13 and figured out how to edit a video
Underrated video and channel overall, dope take on the whole ordeal. Though I prefer to stick to the higher-in-quality pieces when it comes to liminal spaces, I definitely agree that it lost some of its novelty when it gained popularity, similar to how SCP was
Couldn't be more true. I got into the backrooms videos about a year ago but hadnt revisited it for months. Where I left off you could make almost almost any search you made with the term "liminal space" would basically all be the same kinda thing... like creepy backrooms shit and other similar things that gave off the same tranquil foreboding vibe. Exactly what you're looking for, right?
Skip forward in time till just now when I decided to revisit - to see what's new - and all I'm finding are these completely sterile, innocuous, normal, boring photos of standard bedrooms, garages, living rooms, etc. Obviously just taken from someones stupid iPhone at someone's house in Tampa or wherever. And empty modern malls with product logos and evidence of daily thoroughfare everywhere, virtually doing exactly as described in this video.
Always gotta hate when something is getting to be a big thing, idgaf what ppl think cuz I find lots of enjoyment about the liminality
YES! Yes. I agree. This, paired with how often people mention "liminal spaces" in their video essays and what have you, made that term completely meaningless. Same goes with the Backrooms, a fascinating concept ruined by wannabe creepypasta authors. But that's a whole another topic
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I think the other thing that ruins liminal spaces is the fact that I know too much about them and how they work... I've seen so many liminal spaces both good and bad... But I never get the same feelings when seeing a liminal space image now as I used to when I knew nothing about them.
When I first saw a liminal space it was not in a video... It was in real life... An old community center that was empty at the time and was soon to start renovation... But when I was there I was a lot more creeped out by the fact that I kept thinking I'd been there before despite the fact I'd never been in this town until now because I never knew anything about the phenomena... If the same thing happened to me today I would just immediately rub the familiar sense off as "being limited" and not meaning anything
My first time seeing liminal media was actually from an SMG4 video which was basically where they ended up in the backrooms yada yada yada... My problem is that now I've seen the backrooms and I got that weird nostalgic feeling for it but I can't tell from where so I decided to look up the backrooms, btw this was before Kane made his video and this was when the wikidot lore was the most popular interpretation of the backrooms
This is where I went and found some more info on the backrooms and discovered what liminal spaces were... After I had started to understand that these images and places are supposed to make you feel that way and there's no real connection between you and the picture, I just kept looking at these images and here we are now... The more we look and learn about liminal spaces... The less of an effect they have on our minds
Liminal spaces aren't that new of a thing, check out Girogio de Chirico's work. He's like the grandfather of liminality.
Also most of the nostalgic horror stems from the fact that we put more emotional weight on the past than the present. Can't wait for 2050 when people get nostalgic for TikTok and OnlyFans. Can already picture a movie with the tagline "You see her tiddies, then you pay. But not with _money_ "
Just looked Girogio up, his stuff looks dope. I can definitely see parallels between his work and liminal spaces though I guess the difference here is he seemingly has a distinct style whereas liminal spaces originally had a style as well but slowly got less defined as time went on. Also I'd watch that movie if it had the "My name's Charmander" guy from TikTok in it. Look up My Name's Charmander TikTok if you don't know what that is.
I totally agree! Years ago I would try to seek it out without even knowing the term, so I didn't have much luck until later on. But now it's one of my favorite things to explore. I even like looking even deeper into it, such as things like liminal dreaming (focusing on the dreams you have between being awake and falling asleep).
Thank you. Speaking my mind for me
It surprises me when people talk about video games as something related to their "distant" childhood. Fuck, my childhood was all about playing with car models from before those people were born and figurines from the original, authentic Star Wars trilogy!
This topic never interested me, I never knew why it got popular.
it's literally just fucking hallways and alleys
I think its still so interesting but not the indoor ones
It's the emotion and ideas you get from them. I thought it was a neat fad, but felt it's immense popularity was stupid. I could only see it going south with how many dumbasses were getting involved.
I Guess your Kinda Right, People kinda Ruined it, I Still Love it Though.
As a Liminal Space amateur photographer, I completely agree with you. In fact, I take a lot of bad ones myself, but I don’t really post them. I do, however, feel that all the bad ones I take make me a better photographer and have a better eye for them.
The main thing I don’t like about nostalgia is the name.
So many examples out there of media being ruined due to too much explanation, bloat and the idea that "more is better", not even just liminal space related media.
Less is more.
good video. i agree. well i really into liminal spaces and especially the nostalgic feeling dreams cause to me, but seeing people ruin the whole thing makes me so sad
Sturgeon’s law states that “90% of everything is trash”. So any genre of anything that’s _all_ quality content is a temporary anomaly, and will eventually regress to the mean.
If we allowed that 90% to spoil the 10% of gold, then every great work of art would become lame eventually, regardless of its actual quality.
Content should be judged on its own merits, not the quality if its worst imitators
Lost in the Hyperverse Backrooms series is a unique series take as well
wanna know what else is stupider?? is this video :)) you're welcome for the comment.
nah you cant be calling this video stupid when you are saying "stupider" stupider is not a word dumbass lol
I think the horror from the backrooms or liminal spaces is not from the monsters or weird stuffs happens inside. Just imagine you're stuck inside a space where just you alone and the place doesn't exist in this world and the space you're at is infinity
See I relate a lot to scrabbl's video on liminal spaces, in that I don't find them frightening or disturbing, but pleasantly melancholic, bittersweet, and even comforting. Maybe that's just cause the stuff my brain can make up is way scarier lmao
The point of them is to feel creeped out not just the entity’s in them
Oh no spooky place.
Ooooooh! It’s an empty rooooom!
Sooooo spooooky! 👻
personal?nostalgia just isn’t cringe get to truth
I agreed.This video must be blow up so every newbie know what is a liminal space and how to make good liminal space
I fucking hate almond water so much.
legendary. couldnt have said it better myself.
people kinda ruined the art of liminal spaces :/
tho, life was never supposed to be fake or man made. life was made to be real.
I honesty like the Back Rooms and I'm still curious if the original photo is an real actual place. rumor that it maybe an abandoned SEARS or Mall.
NOW The Backrooms are the new FNAF. it's really sad
☠️☠️ bro their still pretty popular
I can tell you either didn’t watch the video or have poor comprehension skills.
@matthewevarts9018 oh yeah u made the most logical of reasons lmao, i think u gotta problem
@@cameronlarson8436 He’s not saying that it’s unpopular now, he’s saying that people ruined the idea of liminal spaces. Hopefully this helps 🙂
@matthewevarts9018 nobody ruined the idea of liminal spaces theirs many other styles 💀 it's one guy he is minority of people think that, plus u insult rather make a good vailed reason
@@cameronlarson8436 Never said I agreed with him but ok.
Completely unrelated but while I was watching this video I was washing my hands and my phone fell in and sat under the water for like 30 seconds and I didn't notice
I genuine have no clue how it's even working right now considerin% one drop can make it crash
Thank you for telling me this.
@@Gourune it was very important to inform you
what did Alfaoxtrot do? 😂😂😂
Glad someone is finally commenting on this. Liminal spaces started off neat, but it got stale really fast when less creepy images popped up and people tried injecting some creepy factor into it when, guess what, it was just comfy and nostalgic. The only scary element was the music and maybe a couple pics in a compilation. And then it took a nosedive off a cliff and it all became like SCP; derivative and cheap. It's lost it's soul and what makes it unique, like how cursed images just devolved into people staging them for giggles than doing them naturally. You can just see what's different. Most of the images nowadays are just improperly tagged urban or rural photography, anyway, so these hobbyists should go to the right boards than clogging up the wrong spaces.
5:54 The only thing I'm feeling from this image is nausea, because Dutch angles make me sick.
theres a wiki or wiki like thing that is the backrooms before the levels and entities
I try to make good ones though I know some of the pics I’ve taken are just roads or buildings at night and probably a little weak. I always try to make sure there’s at least something eerie or eye catching about a pic though. Some places at night do create a certain atmosphere that isn’t there in the day
I'm a huge fan of liminal spaces and 100% agree with your message. personally i don't mind some road/highway like pictures being written off as liminal but the large majority are just boring garbage like that. Pretty much, there are a few exceptions that i can appreciate but again, 100% agree. another thing that i wanna add is i don't quite get the idea of trying to make things like the backrooms and the pool rooms "more scary" by adding monsters and crap to it. personally i feel like the fact that you're trapped in a place with seemingly no end/people, while being well maintained/dated is scary enough as is and invokes a sense of mystery and wonderment to the genera. sorry to go off on a bit of a tangent but i do really like and appreciate liminal spaces.
i find them neat. they make me feel a sense of familiarity yet i have never seen the place before.
JESUS CHRIST I AM SO GLAD SOMEONE CAME OUT HERE AND SAID IT
Alright, now I'll give my nitty gritty opinion. I don't like to gatekeep stuff just because you see it first, I've been on both ends of the spectrum, and I very well understand why people do it, but it's just generally kinda mean spirited. That being said, 99.9% of the people who were in the liminal space community don't understand jack shit about what it means or care to find out. The concept of a liminal space can fit a million different things but the pure essence of the communities love for them showed how so few things actually fit the criteria and how unique each sliver of content was. This really shined through with how many subtypes and following subcommunities turing what was admitted large, still small to it's now size if you can even really call it a community at this point, community into a million itty bitty sub-communities. But almost all of the room to search for this fantastical unique content has been flooded by people obsessed with the backrooms and monsters and doing the cool thing that definitely none else is doing, to he point where the phrase liminal spaces has lost all meaning. I HATE THE BACKROOMS, but not for the reasons you may think. Now the backrooms are an, albeit not my cuppa tea, well made and objectively good piece of media, but the association to liminal spaces ruins any kind of meaningful story because, well, I really just don't think that's a liminal space. Haha my hand is cramping because I havenot typed anything in a week now watch me go make a very incoherent video essay.
Thank you so much for this video. I'm gonna play it on loop a few times and take note. Great study material and great video~!
Also, yo what game is this? Looks fun.