While that's funny, Finns and Hungarians are far too removed from each other to be mistaken for each other in DNA testing. At most they'll share a haplogrpup or two
The way he says "location-based countries" implies the existence of countries that don't own locations. Could this mean playing as migratory tribes will work completely differently from how it does in EU4?
Even including Finland, Kola and Karelia reaching 1’300’000 km2, France is 550’000 Km2, Spain is 500’000 km2, Italy is 300’000 km2, so not really correct. Had he used only these 3 countries it would have been somewhat accurate (he claims it’s larger, but actually it’s the same size), but he included Portugal (90’000) and the Benelux (75’000) so he’s way far off. I assume they will claim it’s due to the projection in the map used in the game or something.😂
@@IonGirbea-ec5dn550 000 sq. km is accurate for mainland, with the islands and Guyana it goes up to 670 000, and including French Antartica 1.2 million sq. km
15:32 there should be some chance of silver appearing around the Bergslagen area, since Sala Silver Mine started operation in the 15th century, and was one of the most important minting centers for the entirety of the region. This facilitated trade with central europe for Sweden
Finns were not nomadic reindeer herders at this time, that was only the Sámi in the north... Finns were slash and burn agriculturalists and lived in sedentary tribal comunities. They had ironworking since at least 500 BC and had been working bronze before that.
Total land area of Sweden, Norway, Denmark (proper), Finland, Karelia and Kola peninsula is 1 496 000 square kilometers. Total land area of Spain, France, Portugal, Italy and the Benelux is 1 520 000 square kilometers. They are really close, although France and friends are slightly larger.
EU 4 uses a modified Mercator (Miller cylindrical) projetion, EU 5..sorry PROJECT CAESAR too. Hence, even if Scandinavia smaller then all the other mentioned landmasses combined, will appear bigger ingame.
Maybe it might be like some areas of vic3, with the whole colonization rights thing, like how it works in south america its why argentina can only colonize argentina, etc etc
Ludi please sing Porilaisten Marssi Lyrics "Pojat, kansan urhokkaan, mi Puolan, Lützin, Leipzigin ja Narvan mailla vertaan vuoti, viel' on Suomi voimissaan, voi vainolaisten hurmehella peittää maan. Pois, pois rauhan toimi jää, jo tulta kohta kalpa lyö ja vinkuen taas lentää luoti. Joukkoon kaikki yhtykää, meit' entisajan sankarhenget tervehtää. Kauniina välkkyy muisto urhojemme, kuolossa mekin vasta kalpenemme. Eespäin rohkeasti vaan, ei kunniaansa myö sun poikas milloinkaan! Kauniina välkkyy muisto urhojemme, kuolossa mekin vasta kalpenemme. Eespäin rohkeasti vaan, ei kunniaansa myö sun poikas milloinkaan! Uljaana taistolippu liehu, voitosta voittohon sä vielä meitä viet! Eespäin nyt kaikki, taisto alkakaa, saa sankareita vielä nähdä Suomenmaa! Uljaana taistolippu liehu, voitosta voittohon sä vielä meitä viet! Eespäin nyt kaikki, taisto alkakaa, saa sankareita vielä nähdä Suomenmaa!"
1342 Magnus IV travelled by land from the west of the gulf of bothia to the east of the gulf and when he did he looked at the sun in the sky and it looked like a yellow cross on the blue sky, and that is the base image for the Swedish flag.
@@magnusnilsson9792 it's just a standard crusader cross flag based on the danish flag but with the colours of the three crowns heraldic symbol which was also a crusader thing. Sweden used yellow on blue long before Magnus' time and while the cross isn't attested from anywhere near his time it's about as likely that it predates him by centuries as it is that it postdates him by centuries when the real evidence shows up.
@@elliotsilfwerbrand8036Considering nut and burg are both words in English, it probably makes more sense to translate it as just that Nut-burg. Although at that point, it almost feels silly to translate it. It feels like translating colour to color or vice versa.
"There is a reason I moved to Spain" by Johan is kind of ironic right now when it feels like I'm about to die from a heatstroke in Sweden, haha. 25 degrees celsius here right now, which isn't that unusual btw. Though the weather has been kinda random this year tbf. But it's usually hot here. Though it is very cold during the winter, that's true.
I was in Greece in the last 10 days and it had 30-35 degrees every day and it felt bearable, but now back in Germany 20-25 degrees feel like my head will blow from the heat
Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Finland, Karelia and Kola combined is roughly 1,489,316 km2 while what they compared it to is roughly 1,445,073 km2 (I excluded French Guyana but other overseas territories are still included). So yes it is a larger area.
Somethings I want to note: I think that Sami people should be a bit more south, and be slowly pushed north. Finnish coast should have a bit more wheat trade good. And lastly finns living inland were not herders like sami people, but doing slash and burn agriculture. Especially savonians were famous for slash and burn and spread across Finland due to this method of agriculture.
actually skandinavia with kola and karelia(something like 1 489 316km2) is similar in size with this weird portugal+spain+italy+france+benelux mix(something like 1 528 607km2), my mind is blown
I think johan confused scandinavia with nordic countries, given that if you count all nordic countries together you reach 3,425,804 square kilometres. which yes is bigger than spain france and benelux combined.
The song is probably the current Finnish & Estonian anthem, which also is a song with Swedish lyrics sung on the king of Swedens birthday. "Kungssången" in Swedish.
Maybe since you got that building that raises a province control/autonomy you can build those in uncolonized regions too which will slowly make it flip to you like a colonist. But in 1337 the range of this building is very limited, only neighbouring provinces? This will also work for Spain and such, as the range increases every tech.
Given that VIctoria 3 has the "Frontier colonization legislation" it suggest that the devs are cognizant that unexplored land being explored via a land border is a fundamentally different than developing an overseas colony so there is hope that exploration of areas like Finland would have different mechanics than exploring the east and west indies
In finland the location called orivesi should be called ruovesi cus 1. Thats not where the city/town of orivesi is and 2. It probably got mixed up with cus it should be called Ruovesi and they are very similar (depatable if its ruovesi but deff not orivesi)
Ludi saying a country dommed if it starts with B and have six letter... Me, a Breton : * sweating nervously * (and sadly, we're dommed, just not the same way as in the Balcans)
18:00 i'm talking out of my butt here but... i do believe the Scanning identity only appeared when the danish culture that were there, and swedish culture stratet to mix, much later then the start date
When you search for the size of Scandinavia, it didn't include Korellia and Kola. The Devs were saying Scandinavia, in addition with Korellia and Kola all the size of Spain, France, Portugal, Italy and the Benelux together, not just Scandinavia
I think the state that is Tot. might be the Principality of Toropets or the city of Torzhok. If you look in the Russian Tinto Maps page, it shows Tor. instead. So It might just be a typo here
14:20 The "Norse" today is a modern neopagan invention not a direct descendant of the original Norse faith. Almost all sources of Norse faith surviving to this day was written by Christian monks. The modern Norse is a mixture of ideas from a lot of different neopagan religions flavored with the names of the Norse gods.
9:10 no way they got the bias of the Mercator projection worldmap wrong, right? (areas in the SOUTH are shown smaller and so are actually bigger (--> africa is bigger than you think , not scandinavia)) whats the issue here? (Karelia&Kola don't make up for the obvious difference ...)
On the point of size, I think you forgot the actual countries (france & spain) have overseas territories making them larger than the main heartland area.
You said there are still Norse today. But there is a difference between modern revival and old-school believers. The modern pagan revival started in the 19th century. But we know for a fact that some people were burned as late as the 15th century for openly declaring that they followed Odin in Sweden. Also in the province of Dalarna common people were using runes as late as the 20th century. And maybe the most epic of all is the location Trollkyrka where pagan rituals may have survived up until the 19th century. So in EU5 in 1337 to have some kind of Norse presence is entirely correct and historical and many players will surely appreciate it.
The Swedish cultural areas in Finland are fine, especially since they seem to show it is both Finnish and Swedish. The 1300s is really when Swedish settlement into Finland started ramping up and records from the time from church officials for example show there was a need to protect those settlers from the locals. There are also records of the Finnish locals and Swedish settlers having disputes over land and other rights, which were handled via local assemblies.
Finlands national awakening and the finnicization of previously swedish speaking cities happened in the 1800s, cities like Helsinki and Turku would be created by the swedes and in the years following the start date become majority swedish (atleast Turku did, Helsinki might've had a finnish majority).
@@quandangle9397 Nah but what he said was valid. Swedish peasants usually ended up slaughtered, as did their bishops and priests. It took Sweden 3 Crusades with the funding of Rome and Pope to take that land.
@@rhan1365 Yeah makes sense for the cities. However, given this is in late medieval times the vast majority of the population in any given province in the area would have been rural, with vast Finnish majority. MAYBE with the exception of Turku and Uusikaupunki.
Scandinavia is Denmark, Norway, Sweden(Strictly geographically it is Norway and Sweden), but the dev also said including Kola and Karelia which you forgot to include. Also, we need to compare to the european mainland possesions of France, Spain, Portugal, Italy and th benelux countries, and not overseas territories. If we did that, Svalbard and Greenland would be included, and lets throw Iceland into the mix too since they are the brothers of the Norwegians(Not Denmark).
So the size of Scandinavia depends massively on what you define as Scandinavia, in Paradox games Scandinavia is very universally treated as synonymous with the term Nordic. With this in mind Scandinavia consists of Sweden (450,000 km^2), Finland (338,000 km^2), Norway (385,000 km^2), Denmark (43,000 km^2), Iceland (103,000 km^2) and in Crusader Kings 2 Estonia (45,000 km^2). So Ludi, next time you plan to size shame Scandinavia, maybe try playing a Paradox game first. That would circumnavigate all this confusion. But on a serious note, I love you, thanks for the dev diary updates.
@@chalsfo As a Swede I was always told that Nords were a union of the north Germanic people and Uralic people living near the Baltic. So makes sense to me that Karelians and Estonians would be Nords.
Tired of virgin scandinavia? Go to war for chad blakans next ruclips.net/video/8crO4gul-UY/видео.html
Tnx ludi I love the blakans 🙏
you forgot the size of karelia
the google only adds up sweeden denmark and norway, thats why its 900square KM
Six Letter starting with B:
B A S Q U E
cant wait to see pomerania snipe colonise finland in like every game
"i got 7,5% finnish ( hungarian) dna"
As any proud Romanian would rather be part Finnish than part Hungarian...
Proud gypsy
While that's funny, Finns and Hungarians are far too removed from each other to be mistaken for each other in DNA testing. At most they'll share a haplogrpup or two
My condolences
"I got 7'5 % spanish (danish) dna"
The way he says "location-based countries" implies the existence of countries that don't own locations.
Could this mean playing as migratory tribes will work completely differently from how it does in EU4?
Yes, also you can play as landless countries like the Fugger banking family
@@DonPedromanmore than the fuggers I assume they refer to gypsies and jews
Landless counties were confirmed long ago.
he ment skanvinavia plus kola peninsula and finnland and thats 1,316,890 square kilometers so he is accurate
not if you add Portugal and Benelux, that's another 160,000 KM2 on top of that. But overall yeah it's decently accurate.
Even including Finland, Kola and Karelia reaching 1’300’000 km2, France is 550’000 Km2, Spain is 500’000 km2, Italy is 300’000 km2, so not really correct. Had he used only these 3 countries it would have been somewhat accurate (he claims it’s larger, but actually it’s the same size), but he included Portugal (90’000) and the Benelux (75’000) so he’s way far off.
I assume they will claim it’s due to the projection in the map used in the game or something.😂
But you need to take away their overseas territories(french guyana, corsica, the Azores)@@TheJH1015
@@IonGirbea-ec5dn good point!
@@IonGirbea-ec5dn550 000 sq. km is accurate for mainland, with the islands and Guyana it goes up to 670 000, and including French Antartica 1.2 million sq. km
15:32 there should be some chance of silver appearing around the Bergslagen area, since Sala Silver Mine started operation in the 15th century, and was one of the most important minting centers for the entirety of the region. This facilitated trade with central europe for Sweden
Finns were not nomadic reindeer herders at this time, that was only the Sámi in the north... Finns were slash and burn agriculturalists and lived in sedentary tribal comunities. They had ironworking since at least 500 BC and had been working bronze before that.
Total land area of Sweden, Norway, Denmark (proper), Finland, Karelia and Kola peninsula is 1 496 000 square kilometers. Total land area of Spain, France, Portugal, Italy and the Benelux is 1 520 000 square kilometers. They are really close, although France and friends are slightly larger.
Maybe he meant 1337 france and spain tho 👀
Also did u incoude southern slesvig for denmark?
Yeah and if you just google current scandinavia it won't be even close to the same as a lot Karelia and all of Kola are now part of Russia
EU 4 uses a modified Mercator (Miller cylindrical) projetion, EU 5..sorry PROJECT CAESAR too. Hence, even if Scandinavia smaller then all the other mentioned landmasses combined, will appear bigger ingame.
9:10 the kola peninsula and karelia is not scandinavia dude but they included that area in their calculations and you didnt
Reading comprehension gone wrong.
I think that Ludi also included terrytories like French guyana etc.
It's Fennoskandia, so it's not entirely wrong.
he also said spain 560k while it says 506k
Scandinavia seams to include Finland, Kola and Karelia. Don't know if they include Greenland and Iceland.
The Sami areas being uncolonized is very interesting. Let's hope it won't lead to bordergore.
Laugh in victoria 3 💀
Give all rulers the trait making them want pretty borders. Problem solved
It'll be the new release Patagonia.
@@Duke_of_Lorraine why haven't anyone thought of that... it's simply genius
Maybe it might be like some areas of vic3, with the whole colonization rights thing, like how it works in south america
its why argentina can only colonize argentina, etc etc
8:20 Borg is my hometown, Borg means fortress, the town was founded (and named) by King Olav II Haraldsson in 1016
Similar to the German "Burg" which means castle.
Now its makes sense to me with the Viborg and Noteborg.
I'm fully confident Sweden won't be OP this time
You mean when Sweden has a personal Union with Norway and already control Scania? Yeah sure man.
Happy the city of Schmaggedebon got a shout out!
bro there is still 4 500 times more trees then people in finland
Ludi please sing
Porilaisten Marssi Lyrics
"Pojat, kansan urhokkaan,
mi Puolan, Lützin, Leipzigin
ja Narvan mailla vertaan vuoti,
viel' on Suomi voimissaan,
voi vainolaisten hurmehella peittää maan.
Pois, pois rauhan toimi jää,
jo tulta kohta kalpa lyö
ja vinkuen taas lentää luoti.
Joukkoon kaikki yhtykää,
meit' entisajan sankarhenget tervehtää.
Kauniina välkkyy muisto urhojemme,
kuolossa mekin vasta kalpenemme.
Eespäin rohkeasti vaan,
ei kunniaansa myö
sun poikas milloinkaan!
Kauniina välkkyy muisto urhojemme,
kuolossa mekin vasta kalpenemme.
Eespäin rohkeasti vaan,
ei kunniaansa myö
sun poikas milloinkaan!
Uljaana taistolippu liehu,
voitosta voittohon
sä vielä meitä viet!
Eespäin nyt kaikki, taisto alkakaa,
saa sankareita vielä nähdä Suomenmaa!
Uljaana taistolippu liehu,
voitosta voittohon
sä vielä meitä viet!
Eespäin nyt kaikki, taisto alkakaa,
saa sankareita vielä nähdä Suomenmaa!"
That location in the north of Sweden is Luleå. It is pretty accurate to portray Luleå as the only proper settlement by the Gulf of Botnia is 1337.
1342 Magnus IV travelled by land from the west of the gulf of bothia to the east of the gulf and when he did he looked at the sun in the sky and it looked like a yellow cross on the blue sky, and that is the base image for the Swedish flag.
@@magnusnilsson9792 it's just a standard crusader cross flag based on the danish flag but with the colours of the three crowns heraldic symbol which was also a crusader thing.
Sweden used yellow on blue long before Magnus' time and while the cross isn't attested from anywhere near his time it's about as likely that it predates him by centuries as it is that it postdates him by centuries when the real evidence shows up.
6:01 fun fact: Oreshek translates as Little Nut. What a cute name
and the swedish name is Nöteborg ( Nut fortress)
@@elliotsilfwerbrand8036Considering nut and burg are both words in English, it probably makes more sense to translate it as just that Nut-burg. Although at that point, it almost feels silly to translate it. It feels like translating colour to color or vice versa.
@@Alex_FaheyWhy do you have to bring in english when the town was Swedish for hundreds of years?
@@elliotsilfwerbrand8036 I'm talking about the part you put in parenthesis right after Nöteburg. You translated it to Nut fortress.
@@Alex_FaheyYes because burg is german, in English it’s castle or fortress.
Ievan Polkka - that's what people want to sing at the Olympics.
Is that legit the answer? If so, they should, that song is a banger.
no?
@@jarjab2gamesit's not. I think he meant "Porilaisten marssi" (march of the Porians)
"There is a reason I moved to Spain" by Johan is kind of ironic right now when it feels like I'm about to die from a heatstroke in Sweden, haha. 25 degrees celsius here right now, which isn't that unusual btw.
Though the weather has been kinda random this year tbf. But it's usually hot here.
Though it is very cold during the winter, that's true.
Getting a heatstroke in 25° is wild. It's 27° in my room right now and that's with ac on.
I was in Greece in the last 10 days and it had 30-35 degrees every day and it felt bearable, but now back in Germany 20-25 degrees feel like my head will blow from the heat
12:40 it's pomors, "people, who live at the sea coast", same as the pomeranians
Yes, literally Russians who settled White Sea northern areas
Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Finland, Karelia and Kola combined is roughly 1,489,316 km2 while what they compared it to is roughly 1,445,073 km2 (I excluded French Guyana but other overseas territories are still included). So yes it is a larger area.
11:30 Perhaps a middle terrain called "rolling hills," would fit for high-elevation flatlands that aren't mountain height like plateaus
The small blue blob in Russia is Torzhok
Or Toropets
probably Totma.
@@magnusnilsson9792 Totma is further east
@@uan9166 Could be
First eu5 playtyhrough will be norse sweden for me
Somethings I want to note:
I think that Sami people should be a bit more south, and be slowly pushed north. Finnish coast should have a bit more wheat trade good. And lastly finns living inland were not herders like sami people, but doing slash and burn agriculture. Especially savonians were famous for slash and burn and spread across Finland due to this method of agriculture.
I think that northern city may be Umeå?
edit: now that I look at it again it is probably piteå eller luleå
Umea deeeez nuts
Could be, there has been permanent swedish habitation there since at least 1316
7.5% Finnish, huh? I like how we get so much Ludi Lore throughout these videos.
I am sure a frontier colonization like vici3 can be implemented to illustrate the Novgorod and swed situation
13:10 Benelux
E A S T
I N D I A
C O M P A N Y
Love seeing tons of location in Finland and the surrounding regions as a whole.
actually skandinavia with kola and karelia(something like 1 489 316km2) is similar in size with this weird portugal+spain+italy+france+benelux mix(something like 1 528 607km2), my mind is blown
I think johan confused scandinavia with nordic countries, given that if you count all nordic countries together you reach 3,425,804 square kilometres. which yes is bigger than spain france and benelux combined.
NORWAY MENTIONED LES GO
The song is probably the current Finnish & Estonian anthem, which also is a song with Swedish lyrics sung on the king of Swedens birthday.
"Kungssången" in Swedish.
Eu5 is gonna be exatly like eu4 at launch: a stupidly bare game made to sell dlc.
I know, I've played the franchise since eu3 launched.
Ludi's theory will be confirmed when we get the map of Borneo. Calling it now.
This one will be interesting for me since i have a mega campaign going on as scandinavia
9:08 because it has kola and Karelia
2:49 Caribou/Reindeer
Maybe since you got that building that raises a province control/autonomy you can build those in uncolonized regions too which will slowly make it flip to you like a colonist. But in 1337 the range of this building is very limited, only neighbouring provinces? This will also work for Spain and such, as the range increases every tech.
Ludi just absolutely smashing the pronunciations in this this video.
Given that VIctoria 3 has the "Frontier colonization legislation" it suggest that the devs are cognizant that unexplored land being explored via a land border is a fundamentally different than developing an overseas colony so there is hope that exploration of areas like Finland would have different mechanics than exploring the east and west indies
First play through in Eu4 that got me to learn the game was Sweden so Sweden will be my first play through in Eu5
The norse today are not a direct continueation of the norse of the vikings. Its mostly reconstructed by the archeology, the sagas and the eddas
Your Swedish is 100%, I think is your rom related to hun, related to Finnish that is almost Swedish. Favourite youtuber❤❤❤
Nah Bjälbo doesn't sound like he said it, not even close :P
as a Finn, I will say my home town being represented by a place on the map does make me feel good
Ludi I think the size difference in Scandinavia is because they included kola and karelia, which the sentence you half quoted said lol.
The song referenced is "Porilaisten marssi". It's not the anthem tho so it'd not be played at sports events.
15:13 There are an estimated 78 billion trees in Finland alone.
Checks scandinavias km² instead of the nordics km² >:(
The "location-based countries" are an interesting phrase.
small entity near novgorod is "tor." not "tot.", it's Torzhok, this province is also present in eu4 and fun fact that's my hometown:))
9:20 add the kola peninsula and the region of karellia (basicly Google is not incluiding those regions on the scandinavian region)
2:50 they're called skidabadoos, Ludi, trust me I'm swedish
We're so norsing today
Love you Ludi!!
In finland the location called orivesi should be called ruovesi cus 1. Thats not where the city/town of orivesi is and 2. It probably got mixed up with cus it should be called Ruovesi and they are very similar (depatable if its ruovesi but deff not orivesi)
Sweden probably exports more lumber to Japan each year than we have people 🤷🏼♂️ don’t underestimate the amount of trees we have 😂
I like the «there is more lumber than people « well just in Norway today is around 11bilion trees🤣 so fair to say that it was much more trees🤣
Even major cities like London have roughly the same number of trees and people.
Ludi saying a country dommed if it starts with B and have six letter...
Me, a Breton : * sweating nervously * (and sadly, we're dommed, just not the same way as in the Balcans)
I have a suspicion that ludi didnt had enought sleep when he recorded this video. He was more over thje top than usual
18:00 i'm talking out of my butt here but... i do believe the Scanning identity only appeared when the danish culture that were there, and swedish culture stratet to mix, much later then the start date
When you search for the size of Scandinavia, it didn't include Korellia and Kola. The Devs were saying Scandinavia, in addition with Korellia and Kola all the size of Spain, France, Portugal, Italy and the Benelux together, not just Scandinavia
Honestly, I think oceanic climate should extend much further up the coast of Norway, even as far up as the Lofoten Islands
They did my part of norway dirty
the norwegian location map is literally the sexiest thing ever
I think the state that is Tot. might be the Principality of Toropets or the city of Torzhok. If you look in the Russian Tinto Maps page, it shows Tor. instead. So It might just be a typo here
14:20 The "Norse" today is a modern neopagan invention not a direct descendant of the original Norse faith. Almost all sources of Norse faith surviving to this day was written by Christian monks. The modern Norse is a mixture of ideas from a lot of different neopagan religions flavored with the names of the Norse gods.
9:10 no way they got the bias of the Mercator projection worldmap wrong, right? (areas in the SOUTH are shown smaller and so are actually bigger (--> africa is bigger than you think , not scandinavia)) whats the issue here? (Karelia&Kola don't make up for the obvious difference ...)
I think it’s that it also includes overseas territories like French Guyana
bring back the moustache my dude you are a damn stallion among 4x players haha much love from pennsylvania you got fans worldwide!!
also, please do a gran colombia run, please. just trust me 😂 (i need someone to show me how powerful they can be, please ludi you are the chosen one)
Well I know what I am going to do first in EU5
I think that heaving very low colonization range at start could make it that northerners colonises it.
On the point of size, I think you forgot the actual countries (france & spain) have overseas territories making them larger than the main heartland area.
Will they make the resource system dynamic? For exemple, if I build a textile mill on a "livesotck" tile, will it change to a "textile" tile?
the map of Scandinavia you checked does not include the Kola Peninsula and Karelia, Kola is 100,000. km² Karelia 180,500 km²
I wonder if they meant Scandinavia is that big in the game. The map projection likely makes it a lot bigger.
9:00 they didn't lie to you, add Karelia and Kola and it is bigger indeed
I am living for these updates now!
tidbits that's sound like 'little c***" for a french LUL that was the best joke
It's as big as France, Spain, Italy and the Benelux when you're Swedes and include Karelia and Kola
You said there are still Norse today. But there is a difference between modern revival and old-school believers. The modern pagan revival started in the 19th century. But we know for a fact that some people were burned as late as the 15th century for openly declaring that they followed Odin in Sweden. Also in the province of Dalarna common people were using runes as late as the 20th century. And maybe the most epic of all is the location Trollkyrka where pagan rituals may have survived up until the 19th century. So in EU5 in 1337 to have some kind of Norse presence is entirely correct and historical and many players will surely appreciate it.
Your humour always makes me smile
good bait Ludi, almost got my Sisu boiling.
I hope Scania(+bornholm) gets its own culture, like east danish or scanian. Its gonna be my most played nation in eu5 for sure.
17:17 As a norwegian, i approve.
Typical Swedish colonialistic mindset ahh. Hate that they exaggerate the Swedish culture areas in Finland that much, and all the names too.
The Swedish cultural areas in Finland are fine, especially since they seem to show it is both Finnish and Swedish. The 1300s is really when Swedish settlement into Finland started ramping up and records from the time from church officials for example show there was a need to protect those settlers from the locals. There are also records of the Finnish locals and Swedish settlers having disputes over land and other rights, which were handled via local assemblies.
found the finnish person
Finlands national awakening and the finnicization of previously swedish speaking cities happened in the 1800s, cities like Helsinki and Turku would be created by the swedes and in the years following the start date become majority swedish (atleast Turku did, Helsinki might've had a finnish majority).
@@quandangle9397 Nah but what he said was valid. Swedish peasants usually ended up slaughtered, as did their bishops and priests. It took Sweden 3 Crusades with the funding of Rome and Pope to take that land.
@@rhan1365 Yeah makes sense for the cities. However, given this is in late medieval times the vast majority of the population in any given province in the area would have been rural, with vast Finnish majority. MAYBE with the exception of Turku and Uusikaupunki.
Scandinavia is Denmark, Norway, Sweden(Strictly geographically it is Norway and Sweden), but the dev also said including Kola and Karelia which you forgot to include.
Also, we need to compare to the european mainland possesions of France, Spain, Portugal, Italy and th benelux countries, and not overseas territories.
If we did that, Svalbard and Greenland would be included, and lets throw Iceland into the mix too since they are the brothers of the Norwegians(Not Denmark).
13:10 well now I’m scared to see the Borneo map 😓
So the size of Scandinavia depends massively on what you define as Scandinavia, in Paradox games Scandinavia is very universally treated as synonymous with the term Nordic. With this in mind Scandinavia consists of Sweden (450,000 km^2), Finland (338,000 km^2), Norway (385,000 km^2), Denmark (43,000 km^2), Iceland (103,000 km^2) and in Crusader Kings 2 Estonia (45,000 km^2). So Ludi, next time you plan to size shame Scandinavia, maybe try playing a Paradox game first. That would circumnavigate all this confusion. But on a serious note, I love you, thanks for the dev diary updates.
obv, Estonia is part of it. Aye - they have our scandinavian flag too
@@chalsfo As a Swede I was always told that Nords were a union of the north Germanic people and Uralic people living near the Baltic. So makes sense to me that Karelians and Estonians would be Nords.
@@lovebjorling6172 greator Scandinavia FTW
I wonder what's north of the wall though...
There is an estimate that there are 87 billion trees in Sweden
Why can't ludi read what the post said about map size including kola and karelia 😢
6:26 Torzhok
I think it's Toropets - Torzhok is northeast, not west of Tver.
Will Greenlandic Norse still be in Greenland? They should still be there though in heavy decline in 1337
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Thanks 😁
Scania was only given to the Swedes for a bit
Denmark + Norway + Sweden + Finland + Karelia + Kola = +/- 1.510.000 km/2.
Spain + Portugal + France + Italy + Belgium + Luxembourg + Netherlands = 1.530.000 km/2
We will test your theory when we get to Indonesia (Borneo)
the northern parts of Finnland and Sweden weren't under centralized Control Up to the 18 hundreds
Brow will say anything just to not admit that those 5% (probably more) are hungarian