Thank you so much for this! I am an intern for my college Indian River state college and on Monday I will be running my first psychodynamic group therapy session!
I dont mean to be offtopic but does any of you know of a way to log back into an instagram account?? I was dumb forgot my account password. I appreciate any assistance you can offer me!
This is excellent. I love Irvin Yalom and have finished two years of individual psychodynamic counselling. I’m about to join a analytic group as I want to be more challenged and have listened to this a few times to understand what’s expected and this delivered the goods. Super post! Very nourishing with excellent information, thanks Dave Brighton England
@@kristinazakharova3928chance are you will get scammed - the profession attracts problematic people who appear awesome and brilliant but aren’t. Don’t jump into a group because of vulnerability - do your due diligence and educate yourself about psychopaths and narcissists - you will find many therapists are just that but most people never can tell.
I sat in an analytic group for over a year. Every minute was terrifying. It didn’t feel safe. I felt tricked into it and manipulated into staying. Groups are not universally supportive and healing. Talking isn’t always helpful. Three years later I am still struggling every day with an obtuse and harmful experience. If I had been told the therapist wasn’t going to do anything but stir the pot and that 10% of people experience lasting harm I wouldn’t have entered the group. Recognising the falseness of the situation can I believe create a pseudo therapy and undermine trust and confidence. Groups have more to do with professional and financial decisions and any problems the patient has are written off. Ignoring patient questions and concerns at the start result only in a long drawn out harmful experience. It is a huge leap to generalise that it will always reflect patterns outside the group.
Funny same thing happened to me. I was told women inside the group would go crazy over me, then when I skipped two weeks I got a call saying my danger is that I will leave just when things in the therapy are getting good, then told you are just getting if you did 15 years of group therapy, only after I left the group therapy did I find out about 10+ patients who claimed the group therapy experience harmed them among countless others who came and did not like what they saw and left. The therapist kept repeating that that group therapy is either good or neutral, but never made me aware of people it harmed. This seems like an elaborate business model taught from one entrepreneur to the next with emphasis on looking good to potential clients and peers who will make referrals, and sweeping patients it harmed under the rug.
@@stevezzzful I suspected I was being judged and wanted to leave because of the distrust of the therapist. Four years later I’m still caught in that hellhole the therapist kept calling “group.” Professional deafness harms.
@@cadmantheaviator I was being judged too, and I was copying the therapist and wasting everyone's time, talking the most and the guy let me do it, which makes him a bad facilitator in my opinion.
@@cadmantheaviator if you read their manuals, they say to create conflict and negativity between members on purpose to supposedly teach the members on how to repair conflicts afterward (I don't see how that could be good, being the conflict and negativity would be bad in itself regardless of the skills learned by repairing the conflict) and it also says the therapist should 'regress' you and break you down so that they can re-build your personality and re-parent you (none of which they will tell you before you join or nobody would join), they can also trauma bond you and use cult leader techniques to get a group of stable paying clients - most people come to group therapy throwing their benefit of the doubt and their putting their guard down and also in a vulnerable state - lot's of self serving questionable behavior and talk among the therapists. They never talk about the damage or malpractice or just no effect, it's always with the assumption that they only help
The groups are often for the clients to serve the group leader, who starts by “breaking their resistance” and manipulating them into being there on a regular basis for a long enough time to make this financially feasible for the group leader. The benefits are touted as a sales pitch in a manipulative and self serving manner, while the potential members are not informed about the harmful and ethically questionable aspects of the groups.
People are entitled to perceive a group in a weird setting with a weird therapist watching them as not safe. What unfolds is not necessarily reflective of anything other than a reaction to this situation. Groups spend months going nowhere. I didn’t understand my goal. The therapist might as well have been a scarecrow. There was only nervous people filling 90 minutes. Here again therapists chuckling at the idea that clients feel lost. These ideas and forms of therapy have more to do with what therapists think are good. It really isn’t the utopian experience these kind of lectures keep trotting out. It isn’t safe for everyone. The therapists are passing the buck.
Common sense would tell you that surrounding yourself with people who act out problematic patterns and dropping your boundaries in that setting would be harmful. Do your due diligence and don’t make assumptions about the “benefits” upsell by people who provide the service.
1:14 AM 2/12/2021 Didnt watch the video. Thats whats wrong with all those guys. Im not picking on them. I heard enough earlier just from the guys I was with. I DONT CARE FOR THIS STUFF THEY DO.
Absolutely! I found same research paper. The whole language about group therapy by presenters is so self biased and thus dishonest and manipulative - wishful thinking by providers talking about how great the service they provide is. I’m suffering 15 years post group. Too many similar dynamics between cults and cult leaders and group therapy. The only good therapists are the ones who are humble and upfront that what they provide isn’t all that effective and may have various bad or unintended effects.
Hey, me and my buddy who both got damaged by group therapy have found this guy unique and interesting, thought I’d share the link: ruclips.net/video/ujw-jbjOOpg/видео.html
Thank you so much for this!
I am an intern for my college
Indian River state college and on Monday I will be running my first psychodynamic group therapy session!
I dont mean to be offtopic but does any of you know of a way to log back into an instagram account??
I was dumb forgot my account password. I appreciate any assistance you can offer me!
Awesome lecture. Thoughtful and thorough. Will be very helpful for my upcoming Group Counseling class. Much appreciation for posting this.
This is excellent. I love Irvin Yalom and have finished two years of individual psychodynamic counselling. I’m about to join a analytic group as I want to be more challenged and have listened to this a few times to understand what’s expected and this delivered the goods. Super post! Very nourishing with excellent information, thanks Dave Brighton England
Could you share any tips on how to find an analytic group? I’m interested in joining one in nyc, however, a Google search didn’t help much
You are brain washed by scammers - get out and seek post recovery help. Yalom is a problematic guy.
@@kristinazakharova3928chance are you will get scammed - the profession attracts problematic people who appear awesome and brilliant but aren’t. Don’t jump into a group because of vulnerability - do your due diligence and educate yourself about psychopaths and narcissists - you will find many therapists are just that but most people never can tell.
I sat in an analytic group for over a year. Every minute was terrifying. It didn’t feel safe. I felt tricked into it and manipulated into staying. Groups are not universally supportive and healing. Talking isn’t always helpful. Three years later I am still struggling every day with an obtuse and harmful experience. If I had been told the therapist wasn’t going to do anything but stir the pot and that 10% of people experience lasting harm I wouldn’t have entered the group. Recognising the falseness of the situation can I believe create a pseudo therapy and undermine trust and confidence. Groups have more to do with professional and financial decisions and any problems the patient has are written off. Ignoring patient questions and concerns at the start result only in a long drawn out harmful experience. It is a huge leap to generalise that it will always reflect patterns outside the group.
Funny same thing happened to me. I was told women inside the group would go crazy over me, then when I skipped two weeks I got a call saying my danger is that I will leave just when things in the therapy are getting good, then told you are just getting if you did 15 years of group therapy, only after I left the group therapy did I find out about 10+ patients who claimed the group therapy experience harmed them among countless others who came and did not like what they saw and left. The therapist kept repeating that that group therapy is either good or neutral, but never made me aware of people it harmed. This seems like an elaborate business model taught from one entrepreneur to the next with emphasis on looking good to potential clients and peers who will make referrals, and sweeping patients it harmed under the rug.
@@stevezzzful I suspected I was being judged and wanted to leave because of the distrust of the therapist. Four years later I’m still caught in that hellhole the therapist kept calling “group.” Professional deafness harms.
@@cadmantheaviator I was being judged too, and I was copying the therapist and wasting everyone's time, talking the most and the guy let me do it, which makes him a bad facilitator in my opinion.
@@cadmantheaviator if you read their manuals, they say to create conflict and negativity between members on purpose to supposedly teach the members on how to repair conflicts afterward (I don't see how that could be good, being the conflict and negativity would be bad in itself regardless of the skills learned by repairing the conflict) and it also says the therapist should 'regress' you and break you down so that they can re-build your personality and re-parent you (none of which they will tell you before you join or nobody would join), they can also trauma bond you and use cult leader techniques to get a group of stable paying clients - most people come to group therapy throwing their benefit of the doubt and their putting their guard down and also in a vulnerable state - lot's of self serving questionable behavior and talk among the therapists. They never talk about the damage or malpractice or just no effect, it's always with the assumption that they only help
how many groups such as the one that is being touted here are there for those who are seeking help from them?
The groups are often for the clients to serve the group leader, who starts by “breaking their resistance” and manipulating them into being there on a regular basis for a long enough time to make this financially feasible for the group leader. The benefits are touted as a sales pitch in a manipulative and self serving manner, while the potential members are not informed about the harmful and ethically questionable aspects of the groups.
People are entitled to perceive a group in a weird setting with a weird therapist watching them as not safe. What unfolds is not necessarily reflective of anything other than a reaction to this situation. Groups spend months going nowhere. I didn’t understand my goal. The therapist might as well have been a scarecrow. There was only nervous people filling 90 minutes. Here again therapists chuckling at the idea that clients feel lost. These ideas and forms of therapy have more to do with what therapists think are good. It really isn’t the utopian experience these kind of lectures keep trotting out. It isn’t safe for everyone. The therapists are passing the buck.
Common sense would tell you that surrounding yourself with people who act out problematic patterns and dropping your boundaries in that setting would be harmful. Do your due diligence and don’t make assumptions about the “benefits” upsell by people who provide the service.
1:14 AM 2/12/2021 Didnt watch the video. Thats whats wrong with all those guys. Im not picking on them. I heard enough earlier just from the guys I was with. I DONT CARE FOR THIS STUFF THEY DO.
adverse outcomes in group analytic therapy....www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3330596/
Absolutely! I found same research paper. The whole language about group therapy by presenters is so self biased and thus dishonest and manipulative - wishful thinking by providers talking about how great the service they provide is. I’m suffering 15 years post group. Too many similar dynamics between cults and cult leaders and group therapy. The only good therapists are the ones who are humble and upfront that what they provide isn’t all that effective and may have various bad or unintended effects.
Hey, me and my buddy who both got damaged by group therapy have found this guy unique and interesting, thought I’d share the link: ruclips.net/video/ujw-jbjOOpg/видео.html