Even though I already know all of the facts that are on the video, I think it was very kind of you to put it on the screen for players who might not have know. Well done.
***** No it's not. With superior BVR performance of F-15 it would be downright retarded to merge with Flankers IRL. Eagle is faster, has better radar, active missiles... It can easily stay BVR throughout the entire fight. In a merge though, the Flanker is superior, and USAF knows that because they had opportunities to train against the real thing (they purchased a pair of Flankers from Ukraine). The whole strategy against Flankers consists of slaughtering them before they can get close. And that's also what's usually done in DCS - the so called "spamraaming". There is really no logical reason to push into a merge against Flankers in DCS other than for fun - after all only the most skilled pilots can use the full BFM potential of Su-27
what? where? lolwot F-15C are perfectly fine acting independently without AWACS support, it's the Flanker that had been designed from ground up for close cooperation with AWACS/GCI, just like any other Russian fighter since the 50s
The DCS Su-27 PFM wasnt completed in 2014 and it can turn 3 times faster than the real Su-27 because some bugs(180 degrees turning in 3sec),now fixed,still fucked by F-15C.
Love your vid. I found that you have to shoot the R27 in a very very close range. I shot all of my R27 in both max range & effective range, none of them hit. While my R27 failed to reach the target, enemy 120 can be launch without a warning. at the moment I heard the warning tone, the 120 is almost reach me, and it's too late to evaid. It's really hard to penetrate through, get the target in range while maintaining radarlock. It's really amazing that those skilled Sukhoi pilot can shoot down anything in front of them.
I'm sure you already know this, but as a general rule of thumb only launch at max range and if the enemy's is coming towards you. Otherwise they can do a few g-turns which reduces the missiles kinetic energy to point where it can't reach the target, or they can turn around and hit the afterburners and the missile will run out of fuel before it reaches them. Id recommend downloading the DCS F15 Manual as it gets some great tips on missile launching and evasion.
Lvl89wrlk Yeah you're entirely correct as far as I know. I don't play FC3 often but it always seems like the Su-27's loadout is so badly outclassed by the AMRAAM. I tend to loose off one missile to send the F-15 defensive just because the R27's max range is it's only single advantage. The whole Su-27 vs F-15C thing really isn't well balanced imo
The Real Superhavoc I know it dosent have the upgraded Avionics but I Just downloaded a mod that added the R-77 to the Su-27 & Su-33 as well as adding the Aim9X & Aim54 to the F-15C I know its not the most realistic but it adds a bit more fun to it. Expanded Missile Inventory v.1 (AIM-9X, Phoenix, R-77) is the file name under user files on the dcs site.
Yeah F-15 fan-boy'ism tied to our rampant jingoist streak and rara pep rally like SUPPORT FOR OUR TROOPS. Literally so brainwashed that they can't conceive that any one piece of american tech could have competition elsewhere in the world.
59thFS Aviation. The F-15 has been shot down multiple times. Just not in air to air combat, the same as the su-27 which has never been shot down in air to air combat either. Both have been shot down from ground anti-air missiles.
F-15 is mountains ahead of the Flanker when it comes to BVR (mostly because of the active radar advantage against the semi-active radar). However if all fails and comes down to a close range fight, Flanker becomes a different animal. There is a saying that F-15 pilots were warned NEVER to get in a merge with Flankers because they would be slaughtered. In fact, a couple of Flankers were purchased from Ukraine to match against Eagles in real life and their close range engagement turned out to be a lot superior than Eagles. The newer versions like the SU-35, 33 and 30MK doesn't have the FOX3 disadvantage SU-27 had so i imagine they are a bigger threat to american aircraft atm. This fight was as smooth as silk except for the fact that 3 Eagles actually failed to shoot down a single Flanker for a long duration. Pretty cool video anyway!
This is a clear example of how pilot experience and training can make a huge difference in combat. Had those other guys had more experience they could've taken you out more times.
Did you seriously just lose at least 3 120's by pulling 4G's in a half S turn ? That crap never works for me in Multiplayer, especially if I set afterburner INTO the enemy aircraft (which is the same as taking someones gun thats aimed at you and just shooting yourself in the head) Nice shooting though. In the FC2 days I loved the F15 because of the infamous OP 500km ranged-all-weather-unlimited-fuel-ARH 120's, but now I'm getting to learn and love the 27. With the incoming update for it, I expect to hunt F15's like they were overweight Su25's with one engine operational.
Really enjoyed this video, I'm trying to get into the SU-27 myself a bit more as I usually fly he F-15c. It's all very different and for some reason I can't seem to change the fov despite mapping the controls properly. I really should look into a fun server like this and get myself online.
bowser515 Man, idk how anyone can fly the F-15 in that game, whenever I try to fly it like the Su-27 I get all these random alarms and eventually stall and crash. I find it impossible to crash with the Sukhoi unless it's intentional.
diehardsmokerbuddy The F-15 is pretty easy to fly. All I can suggest is that you change you X and Y axis curves to help out control wise (start around 30) and see what suits you best. And don't try to pull too hard on the stick if you have external fuel tanks, you'll need to drop these before a fight if you plan to be chucking it about. Stick with it, it's a fun jet.
1. Fire an ER 2. Fire another ER 3. F-15 spams spamraams at you and gtfos 4. Fire ET and gtfo 5. Lock breaks, F-15 is lol I won turns into you to spam more 6. Intercepts your ET with his aircraft 7. ??? 8. Profit Might not work if your opponent has brains. But then again, Spamming AIM-120 doesn't work against skilled pilots either.
Interesting MFD in this video - my Flanker has a much simplified display without the beam shading or grid blocks. Is this a selector option, or a steam version of DCS?
I can't get the green cone to appear on my radar...driving me nuts. I have radar on and in BVR mode. Cone simply won't show and contacts won't appear on radar.
Tigger Smoove So what if there was? I'd happily play a game with friends while they learn the ropes. Don't forget that 'noob' is a relative term and I can safely say that I've forgotten more about flying than you'll ever know. Just saying
Bit of a failure on their part having you on the same TS channel! After you shoot a SARH, you should dump speed and turn to the outer limit of your radar lock. When they shoot you should dive for the deck, and just pop up to shoot :) No chaff or flares?
It's not a free module. You get it either by buying Flaming Cliffs 3 addon (features both Flanker and Eagle, plus some other non fighter aircraft) or as a standalone. Search Steam DLC page/DCS shop for these.
The Su-27 used in DCS is the S version, which does not allow these missiles. But the Mig-29S can use r-77. But the r-27ER has a longer range then the 120, which can be quite useful
Correct only the MiG-29S can carry the R-77. But tell you the truth they don't work THAT well compared to the AIM-120s, I usually force my opponent into the defensive with them and press the attack... I kinda love how everything the F-15 drivers can do is spam AMRAAMS -_-
Because i really new to DCS... I wanted to ask you 2 questions. I have the su-25t now... First question is: Whats the best aircraft to buy ? (F-15C or Su-27) ? Second question... How you can make so aggressive turns and rolls and dives etc, without losing control... If i try to climb or dive or turn a bit sharper, it starts shaking and i end crashing into the ground full speed !!! Is this because the su-25t is bad fighter jet ? is this because your su-27 is so good ? Please help....
During sales it's typically better value for money to get FC3 since you get all the other aircraft included. You could go for the F-15 if it was really all you wanted to mess with though
I'd imagine lobbing AMRAAMs over and over and over again would get boring. I enjoy the Su27 waaaay more. There's currently a mid-winter sale going on, you guys should snag a few aircraft.
Terry Roshto The F15C has a pretty neat track-while-scan feature which means you can fire multiple missiles at different targets, simultaneously. The F15C is way more effective in a squad than the 3rd/4th gen Sukhois, but the Sukhois are better individually, particularly in regards to their flight performance, ECM and missile BVR (the R-77 is just so damn fast). Both are really good, just in different roles. I find the F15 has better target acquisition (as well as a fancy RWR) and, therefore, utilizes terrain features better, so you can do sneaky shit like hide below a mountain and pop up with a few well placed missiles. But, this is all my opinion and I'm not all that experienced, so maybe I'm just conceited :)
JiveDilettante nothing that simple im afraid. mine looks completely different, i have a concave line representing the max range of my radar, and the outline of a cone representing my weapon range. i don't have the grid lines either. maybe there was a patch to the game
Симулятор очень поверхностно и совершенно не точно передаёт боевую работу на СУ 27. Показания БРЭС не соответствуют на 100% . Углы захвата и обзора у СУ 27 выше чем у F 15. Во общем это просто игрушка.
+Andrew James™ - Design Good question! If you've got friends with one of the modules go for whatever they play most. Otherwise I'd say F-15C for easy-mode BVR or Su-27 for WVR dogfighting and skulking around in the mountains. Personally I prefer the Su-27 but the F-15C is fun too.
What's with this Triggered F-15 fanboys? This is disgusting. btw, nice dogfighting. American planes never really meant to dogfight russian plane in close range anyway
Toni Its pretty op when you use it the correct way. Let the enemy dance with your ERs (which will miss because they suck), then coming closer for an ET shot. Or hiding and suprising the enemy with an ET. The F-15 can counter this by having 8 Aim120s and shooting alot of them. Because when i get fired at by an 120 at close range, i piss my pants.
I don’t even consider the Russian planes in DCS a real threat anymore. A MIG or Sukhoi going up against a Viper or Hornet is like bringing a knife to a gunfight.
It's not hard at all. You get a free aircraft to fly and there is a ton of videos to help you along. Don't let spinx22 toss water on your fire to fly. Do it.
For 15 minutes I didn't even know how to close this thing above you xD And this beeping sound was so annoying... since taking off.... well.. it's too hard for me for sure.
IRL basic Su-27S can't be armed with R-77 just like F-15A can't be armed with AMRAAM. But upgraded Flankers like Su-27SM, Su-30 , Su-33, Su-35 can be armed with R-77.
So, on my F-15C in DCS i can pretty easely splash up to 2*su-27 in dogfight and 4*su-27 in medium range, using amraam missiles, and definitely in real world Eagle has better avionics - apg-63 radar is far more advanced radar, than n-001, which flanker has, as well as amrram missiles with active seeker i cant even to compare to r-27, because r-27 is pretty shitty stuff, anyway aim-120 is surpasses r-77 of latest versions, so, in a dog fight 90% is up to pilot.
*On easy mode against AI* It's adorable though how clearly emotionally important it is for you to successfully assert the F15 is the best ever! Regardless of what anyone says, ever! Sometimes the US isn't the best. Sometimes the US gets tied. The last time an american fighter pilot fought against an equally well trained opponent in modern equipment... is ancient history. But the last time we did, in the Korean war, we lost plenty of pilots. American stuff isn't magically the best. The Su-27 was designed specifically to be competitive with the F15 and it achieves its goal admirably, it is competitive. The F15 has nothing like the IRST scanning the 27 can employ allowing it to launch missiles at range without setting off alarms in the opponents cockpit. Same with the Su-33 and the F/A18
The doctrine of the 51st PVO in such engagements is much more realistic in execution. If u can ask them to post some vids. These guys are not using the 27's as efficaciously as used by the 51st PVO IMHO.
I'm sure that you're right. This video is just a bunch of people playing a rare round of FC3 for fun, I'm sure most online flight sim groups are more capable.
trap3400 Yes, but the R-27ER is very bad at hitting hard maneuvering targets at long range, it is very good while the rocket motor is still burning. You also dont want the enemy to have enough time to dive behind a hill and break your lock
I flew the Su-27 for like 2 hours straight without coming across one player in a crowded server....Gotta love DCS :D
+XenoContact Mr.lonely
+botman I no rite?
learn to play?
request bogey dope
Probably in a server of no people XD
Even though I already know all of the facts that are on the video, I think it was very kind of you to put it on the screen for players who might not have know. Well done.
overG overG o o overG
+delkinthemagicaltree I'll never be able to unhear that now :D
JiveDilettante
what game is this?
possumGFX omg that sound is soooo annoying 😂😂😂 that and "pull up pull up pull up" 😂😂😂
Clorox Bleach holy shit lol
I always preferred the Russian version of this warning
I won onced a dogfight with my MiG29 vs 5 other planes. Best feeling ever
Patrik Kuljanac DCS
Pete Copter damn how can you
Did they all have the propellers?
A fight like this is what makes those "less glorious highlights" worth it. Love the BMS/DCS content.
They are reasons why USAF instruct all F-15 pilot NOT to engage Su-27 in close range if possible.
Flanker territory
***** No it's not. With superior BVR performance of F-15 it would be downright retarded to merge with Flankers IRL. Eagle is faster, has better radar, active missiles... It can easily stay BVR throughout the entire fight. In a merge though, the Flanker is superior, and USAF knows that because they had opportunities to train against the real thing (they purchased a pair of Flankers from Ukraine). The whole strategy against Flankers consists of slaughtering them before they can get close. And that's also what's usually done in DCS - the so called "spamraaming". There is really no logical reason to push into a merge against Flankers in DCS other than for fun - after all only the most skilled pilots can use the full BFM potential of Su-27
m4ti140 this is assuming that bvr potential isn't reduced by jamming or blowing up the AWACS the F15 depend on.
what? where? lolwot
F-15C are perfectly fine acting independently without AWACS support, it's the Flanker that had been designed from ground up for close cooperation with AWACS/GCI, just like any other Russian fighter since the 50s
The DCS Su-27 PFM wasnt completed in 2014 and it can turn 3 times faster than the real Su-27 because some bugs(180 degrees turning in 3sec),now fixed,still fucked by F-15C.
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Love your vid.
I found that you have to shoot the R27 in a very very close range.
I shot all of my R27 in both max range & effective range, none of them hit.
While my R27 failed to reach the target, enemy 120 can be launch without a warning.
at the moment I heard the warning tone, the 120 is almost reach me, and it's too late to evaid.
It's really hard to penetrate through, get the target in range while maintaining radarlock.
It's really amazing that those skilled Sukhoi pilot can shoot down anything in front of them.
I'm sure you already know this, but as a general rule of thumb only launch at max range and if the enemy's is coming towards you. Otherwise they can do a few g-turns which reduces the missiles kinetic energy to point where it can't reach the target, or they can turn around and hit the afterburners and the missile will run out of fuel before it reaches them. Id recommend downloading the DCS F15 Manual as it gets some great tips on missile launching and evasion.
Lvl89wrlk Yeah you're entirely correct as far as I know.
I don't play FC3 often but it always seems like the Su-27's loadout is so badly outclassed by the AMRAAM. I tend to loose off one missile to send the F-15 defensive just because the R27's max range is it's only single advantage. The whole Su-27 vs F-15C thing really isn't well balanced imo
Thanks for reply.
Definitly going to check that out.
Charlie Tsai No worries, happy flying!
The Real Superhavoc I know it dosent have the upgraded Avionics but I Just downloaded a mod that added the R-77 to the Su-27 & Su-33 as well as adding the Aim9X & Aim54 to the F-15C I know its not the most realistic but it adds a bit more fun to it. Expanded Missile Inventory v.1 (AIM-9X,
Phoenix, R-77) is the file name under user files on the dcs site.
Reading these comments is funny so much F-15 fanboyism
Yeah F-15 fan-boy'ism tied to our rampant jingoist streak and rara pep rally like SUPPORT FOR OUR TROOPS. Literally so brainwashed that they can't conceive that any one piece of american tech could have competition elsewhere in the world.
Well, when several Air Forces have flown it and it has yet to be shot down, it gets a large fan base.
59thFS Aviation exactly...
59thFS Aviation. The F-15 has been shot down multiple times. Just not in air to air combat, the same as the su-27 which has never been shot down in air to air combat either. Both have been shot down from ground anti-air missiles.
Сухой and Микоян forever!
F-15 is mountains ahead of the Flanker when it comes to BVR (mostly because of the active radar advantage against the semi-active radar). However if all fails and comes down to a close range fight, Flanker becomes a different animal. There is a saying that F-15 pilots were warned NEVER to get in a merge with Flankers because they would be slaughtered. In fact, a couple of Flankers were purchased from Ukraine to match against Eagles in real life and their close range engagement turned out to be a lot superior than Eagles. The newer versions like the SU-35, 33 and 30MK doesn't have the FOX3 disadvantage SU-27 had so i imagine they are a bigger threat to american aircraft atm. This fight was as smooth as silk except for the fact that 3 Eagles actually failed to shoot down a single Flanker for a long duration. Pretty cool video anyway!
Very interesting, thanks for this!
@@JiveDilletante No problem. Tally ho!
You are so humble (ie end of video). Good playing Jive!
haha, more honest than humble :P
7:50 amazing female voice, all system warnings should be like that
@@truonglamlo8073 Um... in what possible way?
Honesty is what made me like this Video. Great Work!
Great video, and good kills!
Nice dogfight, but I would recommend to put down the mirrors as well by pressing the m key.
+ValiantSoldier i never use the mirrors because the game lags too much for me already. I hope DCS 2.0 will reduce lag
This is a clear example of how pilot experience and training can make a huge difference in combat. Had those other guys had more experience they could've taken you out more times.
I think "Danger Zone" by Kenny Loggins is an appropriate song to accompany this video.
You are much more skilled then they are
Did you seriously just lose at least 3 120's by pulling 4G's in a half S turn ?
That crap never works for me in Multiplayer, especially if I set afterburner INTO the enemy aircraft (which is the same as taking someones gun thats aimed at you and just shooting yourself in the head)
Nice shooting though. In the FC2 days I loved the F15 because of the infamous OP 500km ranged-all-weather-unlimited-fuel-ARH 120's, but now I'm getting to learn and love the 27. With the incoming update for it, I expect to hunt F15's like they were overweight Su25's with one engine operational.
Juppie902 He was very lucky + in a teamspeak with them, exactly knowing how much power the enemy missile has left.
"The Su-27 uses semi-active radar missiles"
>calls fox-three
+carbunch That was an F-15 calling fox-three
+JiveDilettante what does fox three mean ?
There's a breakdown of them here, milsperg for "die, fucker"
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fox_(code_word)
Well lets wait for the F-14 then?
Mallchad "Fox-three... fox three again... and again... and again... fox three times 6"
Flew no radar on looking for high altitude f-15's and jumped them every time
how come when I see "dogfights" in dcs, they're not usually like the ones recounted in like iraq or vietnam?
The butthurt in the comments is very, very real.
It's fascinatingly bizarre
@@JiveDilletante haha yeah what a bunch of losers
the one thing i dont like about the su27 is the amount of trim you have to use
I like trim
I like that you explained what was happening for us noobs.
Really enjoyed this video, I'm trying to get into the SU-27 myself a bit more as I usually fly he F-15c. It's all very different and for some reason I can't seem to change the fov despite mapping the controls properly. I really should look into a fun server like this and get myself online.
bowser515 Man, idk how anyone can fly the F-15 in that game, whenever I try to fly it like the Su-27 I get all these random alarms and eventually stall and crash. I find it impossible to crash with the Sukhoi unless it's intentional.
diehardsmokerbuddy
The F-15 is pretty easy to fly. All I can suggest is that you change you X and Y axis curves to help out control wise (start around 30) and see what suits you best. And don't try to pull too hard on the stick if you have external fuel tanks, you'll need to drop these before a fight if you plan to be chucking it about. Stick with it, it's a fun jet.
Wow IM AMAZED !
Why is your HUD, MFD, and audio all different from the game? are these MP legal mods? where can i find them?
thank for you vudeo (видосик) . i am from russia , khakhasya. $) D) :) (спасибо за видос, я из Хакасии.)
Hi JiveDilettante, please tell me, what to Hell is this for an Amazing Sound! Is this a Mod? When yes, where can i get this Sounds?
you hide under clouds ! is it ? :) good fight.
Superbe vidéo -👏👏👏👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
Any tips and tricks on those semi radar track missiles against stuff like 15 have fully radar tracked missiles?
+Jefferson Sheng (EXIACXA3740) Everything I know I learnt here flankertraining.com/ironhand/
Really good resource
+JiveDilettante Anything equivalent on the F-15C?
DSRT888 He also has a few videos about how to properly the use the F-15C's radar but I haven't used any other specific sources for F-15C stuff.
1. Fire an ER
2. Fire another ER
3. F-15 spams spamraams at you and gtfos
4. Fire ET and gtfo
5. Lock breaks, F-15 is lol I won turns into you to spam more
6. Intercepts your ET with his aircraft
7. ???
8. Profit
Might not work if your opponent has brains. But then again, Spamming AIM-120 doesn't work against skilled pilots either.
hey do you use Joystick and rudder pedals for DCS? and if so what are the products?
All here ruclips.net/user/JiveDilletanteabout hope that helps
Interesting MFD in this video - my Flanker has a much simplified display without the beam shading or grid blocks. Is this a selector option, or a steam version of DCS?
+JustifyJustin I think the grid might have gone with the AFM update for the Su-27
+JiveDilettante I don't have the Grid or shading either, this version looks kinda sexier but I guess now its less cluttered.
over g over g, over - over g over g, over
To be honest, These guys seems not familiar with F-15 and not work on group. anyway, good kills
徐喆 after he evaded the 120 a second one, launched a bit closer should have putted him down, thats how its done ;)
What is the button to have the reticolate hdd(MFD)?
I can't get the green cone to appear on my radar...driving me nuts. I have radar on and in BVR mode. Cone simply won't show and contacts won't appear on radar.
Where did you get your sound mod from? It's really cool :) Can I still get it from somewhere?
Devil's Offspring I think its just a setting
Is this a old HDD or i have to do something to look have it look like in the video ?
I think it's just an old one
even tho this looked awesome
i rather stay old school and use guns
missile dogfights cant beat gun dogfights in my book :P
Same dude I hate it when I am in a dogfight in BF4 and the jet uses heatseakers on me. Like wtf?
+Der Reptilien- Kommandant were talking bf4 dude wtf
+FalklandsIsBritishTerritory dude bf4 jets has no physics compared to this
I was giving an example of how I liked gun dogfights over lock-on. Chill
Any love for IL2? I love the flight but the AI seems a little dumb
wou! nice dogfigh!!!
JiveDilettante, why do I not get english warnings an gear up voice warnings? do you use a mod for that?
yup
www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/668738/
What skin are you using for that SU27?
rekt you sir are an ACE taking out 3 F-15's with an SU-27.
They were AI F-15c's not a hard task to do.
Tigger Smoove The video makes it perfectly clear that they were other players.
JiveDilettante If that's the case then there were noobs on both sides. Just saying.
Tigger Smoove So what if there was? I'd happily play a game with friends while they learn the ropes.
Don't forget that 'noob' is a relative term and I can safely say that I've forgotten more about flying than you'll ever know. Just saying
Nothing wrong with learning the ropes,but they make it seem like they were bosses.
is it possible to do a Pugachev cobra with the SU27 in DCS?
nope, not even with the mig29 or the su33
It's actually possible there's a lot of examples of Su's doing Pugachev Cobra in DCS.
Yes, there is even a key for it as far as I know
Bit of a failure on their part having you on the same TS channel!
After you shoot a SARH, you should dump speed and turn to the outer limit of your radar lock.
When they shoot you should dive for the deck, and just pop up to shoot :)
No chaff or flares?
It was just a casual mess around tbh. That's good advice, thanks
What kind of HDD is that. Mine don't look like that.
Hey what game is this, or if there is a new title
Sukoy The best!!
Where do you get Sukhoi 27 ? I just got Sukhoi 25 Frogfoot here.
you have to buy FC3 or su 27 alone
It's not a free module. You get it either by buying Flaming Cliffs 3 addon (features both Flanker and Eagle, plus some other non fighter aircraft) or as a standalone. Search Steam DLC page/DCS shop for these.
Is this the game that put psychic more than graphic? This is an awesome game felt more realistic than AC. Where I can download this?
steam
You have to buy the Planes tho, the only things that are available for free are outdated ones.
@@QuitRage DCS
why didn't you use R-77 missiles. or can you not use those in DCS? those are basically Russian Aim-120's
ikr
The SU-27 (And i think 33) doesn't equip R-77 missiles. Idk if it did historically, but the Mig 29 variants use them in DCS.
The Su-27 used in DCS is the S version, which does not allow these missiles. But the Mig-29S can use r-77.
But the r-27ER has a longer range then the 120, which can be quite useful
Correct only the MiG-29S can carry the R-77. But tell you the truth they don't work THAT well compared to the AIM-120s, I usually force my opponent into the defensive with them and press the attack...
I kinda love how everything the F-15 drivers can do is spam AMRAAMS -_-
R27EA
Is it possible just to get DCS world and then buy only the F15 to use in multiplayer?
Yeah they sell the F-15C module separately if you want it.
awesome, thanks.
Yes it is. But its just as expensive as the entire Flaming Cliffs 3 package. So kind of stupid to only buy the F-15C module.
Got the F15 on steam for £7, got my first pvp kill last night, another f15 i think :D
yes
Because i really new to DCS... I wanted to ask you 2 questions. I have the su-25t now... First question is: Whats the best aircraft to buy ? (F-15C or Su-27) ? Second question... How you can make so aggressive turns and rolls and dives etc, without losing control... If i try to climb or dive or turn a bit sharper, it starts shaking and i end crashing into the ground full speed !!! Is this because the su-25t is bad fighter jet ? is this because your su-27 is so good ? Please help....
GreekYasuoHunterHD Su25 is not a a fighter. It is meant to attack ground targets
Oh ok.... so whats the best fighter jet ?
I am not a very experienced player but the f15 and the su27 are very good.
Ok thanks !
The Su-33 is considered better than the 27 by some.
Why does every body say buy flaming cliffs 3 and not just a stand alone plane like the f15.?
During sales it's typically better value for money to get FC3 since you get all the other aircraft included. You could go for the F-15 if it was really all you wanted to mess with though
I'd imagine lobbing AMRAAMs over and over and over again would get boring. I enjoy the Su27 waaaay more. There's currently a mid-winter sale going on, you guys should snag a few aircraft.
Terry Roshto The F15C has a pretty neat track-while-scan feature which means you can fire multiple missiles at different targets, simultaneously. The F15C is way more effective in a squad than the 3rd/4th gen Sukhois, but the Sukhois are better individually, particularly in regards to their flight performance, ECM and missile BVR (the R-77 is just so damn fast). Both are really good, just in different roles. I find the F15 has better target acquisition (as well as a fancy RWR) and, therefore, utilizes terrain features better, so you can do sneaky shit like hide below a mountain and pop up with a few well placed missiles.
But, this is all my opinion and I'm not all that experienced, so maybe I'm just conceited :)
Well, I'm currently spent alot of time in the Bf109k4 and it is by far the most fun I've had in DCS so far!
Got the MiG21BIS? I'm looking for a tutor :( I suck at it :(
How to I get my HDD to display my radar cone like this, mine looks fairly different
Hmm, just check the radar is turned on and that it's pointed straight ahead?
JiveDilettante nothing that simple im afraid. mine looks completely different, i have a concave line representing the max range of my radar, and the outline of a cone representing my weapon range. i don't have the grid lines either. maybe there was a patch to the game
Ben Memes Could be something with that changed with the Su-27 AFM? I haven't played much of it recently so I'm not sure
+Ben “Dank” Gravy Yeah I have exactly the same issue - I suspect it's a MFD setting/selector?
Does the Su-27 have thrust vectoring??
No, only Su-30, Su-33
It doesn't.
God i want this game! what do i need to play equipment wise
+George W It's a slippery slope. I'd say to start with a HOTAS setup, an X-52 is great bang for buck, then a TrackIR. Both make a huge difference imo.
Симулятор очень поверхностно и совершенно не точно передаёт боевую работу на СУ 27. Показания БРЭС не соответствуют на 100% . Углы захвата и обзора у СУ 27 выше чем у F 15. Во общем это просто игрушка.
лел
What stick?
I have 10 bucks.... su27 or f-15?
+Andrew James™ - Design Good question! If you've got friends with one of the modules go for whatever they play most. Otherwise I'd say F-15C for easy-mode BVR or Su-27 for WVR dogfighting and skulking around in the mountains. Personally I prefer the Su-27 but the F-15C is fun too.
+JiveDilettante the tomcat with aim54 is baddest tho
the Su-27 is easier for me
SU-27=more SALVATION
I absolutely love the F-15 and do think it is a better plane then the SU-27 but you gotta admit that Russian planes are absolutely sexy❤❤❤❤
What's with this Triggered F-15 fanboys? This is disgusting.
btw, nice dogfighting. American planes never really meant to dogfight russian plane in close range anyway
A 16 could easily take on a Russian jet and take it out of the air.
Which game is this guys?
DCS
I was flying around a f22 raptor and no one wanted to fight me
so the SU27 isnt op on Buddyspike i am just bad... interresting
Toni Its pretty op when you use it the correct way. Let the enemy dance with your ERs (which will miss because they suck), then coming closer for an ET shot.
Or hiding and suprising the enemy with an ET.
The F-15 can counter this by having 8 Aim120s and shooting alot of them. Because when i get fired at by an 120 at close range, i piss my pants.
4:42 Aubergine!, Aubergine!, Aubergine!.....
Aubergine aubergine lol 😂 😂
I love you Jive!!!
SU27 best ever!
А ничё так бой - и от ответных покрутиться пришлось ракет. и thanks for subtitres ( text in 'ramka').
есть такое, но маленько.
Не знаю, ко мне это, или не ко мне относится, если ко мне - то я себя "полностью убитым чёртом"(polnostju ubitiy 4ert!) не считаю.
is this in VR?
no, the pilot is using Track IR
Why does a Russian jet say "Over G"?
because the HUD and informations are translated to english.
I don’t even consider the Russian planes in DCS a real threat anymore. A MIG or Sukhoi going up against a Viper or Hornet is like bringing a knife to a gunfight.
You guys know how lucky you are, try what I was in love with. F-17 stealth fighter.... monochrome
uh you do know what a F-17 is right?
👏🏻
jesus christ DCS has changed.
It's wild, isn't it
@@JiveDilletante For sure, also thank you so much for the tomcat video, it basically reignited the spark that i lost for the tomcat
@@stefix5554 delighted to hear it, I'm super pumped for the phantom too
A SU-27 with an english spoken Over-G warning....no way...
You can change it in the settings, standard setting is: "PREDELJNIJ UGOL ATTACE, PREDELJNAJA PEREGRUSKA!"
I've been dying to get into Dcs. How hard is it?
Dude. it's a flight sim. if you have to ask how difficult it is, it's probably too difficult for you. i sure as shit know it's too difficult for me.
It's not hard at all. You get a free aircraft to fly and there is a ton of videos to help you along.
Don't let spinx22 toss water on your fire to fly.
Do it.
For 15 minutes I didn't even know how to close this thing above you xD
And this beeping sound was so annoying... since taking off.... well.. it's too hard for me for sure.
10 hours to get the basics, 10 to get most of the stuff, 10 to get good.
Zaves Evans Flying the aircraft is extremely easy. The hard part is learning the aircraft systems
Not sure
So far my whole DCS experience starts at the 7:47 minute mark...... :(
what game is this?
Crash Bandicoot 2
Me 262 Master race fuckin loool
Does this game have the su-29?
Nope. Su-27, MiG-29, Su-33, Su-25, A-10A and F-15C
heh heh. I meant mig-29. You should look up what a su-29 is...
I seriously wish the Su-29 was in the game...and the Pitts SC2...and the Extra 300
dreams man, dreamz!
upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fc/Sukhoi_Su-29.jpg
In FC2 F-15 is almost impossible to beat. AMRAAMs have much more efficiency than R-27ER, despite shorter range. And I can't arm my Flanker with R-77s
IRL basic Su-27S can't be armed with R-77 just like F-15A can't be armed with AMRAAM. But upgraded Flankers like Su-27SM, Su-30 , Su-33, Su-35 can be armed with R-77.
The flankers are supposed to be used differently. The R-27ET is basically the main weapon, the R-27ER is to let the enemy dance.
2:40 you use semi-active radar homing R-27ER but you say " FOX 3 "? that is FOX1! FOX3 is active-radar-homing R-27EA or R-27EM!
The Russians might recruit if the saw this. Well fought...
Chris Wessels Did you see the end of the video? sounds like you didn't
CBZ323 You don't seem pretty fond with Jokes :P
Those guys in F15 were realy bad, just civil plane pilots.
So, on my F-15C in DCS i can pretty easely splash up to 2*su-27 in dogfight and 4*su-27 in medium range, using amraam missiles, and definitely in real world Eagle has better avionics - apg-63 radar is far more advanced radar, than n-001, which flanker has, as well as amrram missiles with active seeker i cant even to compare to r-27, because r-27 is pretty shitty stuff, anyway aim-120 is surpasses r-77 of latest versions, so, in a dog fight 90% is up to pilot.
*On easy mode against AI* It's adorable though how clearly emotionally important it is for you to successfully assert the F15 is the best ever! Regardless of what anyone says, ever! Sometimes the US isn't the best. Sometimes the US gets tied. The last time an american fighter pilot fought against an equally well trained opponent in modern equipment... is ancient history. But the last time we did, in the Korean war, we lost plenty of pilots. American stuff isn't magically the best. The Su-27 was designed specifically to be competitive with the F15 and it achieves its goal admirably, it is competitive. The F15 has nothing like the IRST scanning the 27 can employ allowing it to launch missiles at range without setting off alarms in the opponents cockpit. Same with the Su-33 and the F/A18
The doctrine of the 51st PVO in such engagements is much more realistic in execution. If u can ask them to post some vids.
These guys are not using the 27's as efficaciously as used by the 51st PVO IMHO.
Too true well said!
I'm sure that you're right. This video is just a bunch of people playing a rare round of FC3 for fun, I'm sure most online flight sim groups are more capable.
The doctrine of the 51st PVO must make Yusuf really popular at parties.
Wp Bro
你没有飞出苏27的机动性
intreting defending at 3:15
3 amateur F-15
lol you know semi active radars are meant to be used from BVR maybe thats why he "defeated" it
trap3400 Yes, but the R-27ER is very bad at hitting hard maneuvering targets at long range, it is very good while the rocket motor is still burning.
You also dont want the enemy to have enough time to dive behind a hill and break your lock
Isn't the su27 an arcade cockpit? lol
Full disclosure......ROFL
In dcs you don´t have russian airplan, all is soviet . In soviet union you have many contry like Belarus, Ukraine ..
su27 thiện chiến.
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