Top fuel dragsters don't use centrifugal superchargers theres too much delay. They use roots style superchargers to build instant compression and have an immediate increase in intake pressure and air density, which is super important when burning methanol at the rate they do. Meth in a turbo setup would just explode almost every time due to the CFM demand for the flow rate of fuel used.
You'll find screw style positive displacement devices to be the go-to for just about all street car mods as theyre very efficient and require much less HP to turn and provide better rate of cooling but for the inane burn rate of methanol the roots is best as you can increase intake pressure more than 4x volume as low as 600-800 RPM where a screw or centrifugal fail to achieve. Its absolutely crucial you keep up with the CFM ratios with methanol otherwise you get those good old top fuel explosions we've seen all over youtube.
@@mitchellward5739 I wasn’t talking about Top Fuel, i was talking about Top Dragster, which is one of the classes in the NHRA Lucas Oil Series. To make it less confusing, there’s Top Fuel, Top Alcohol Dragster and Top Dragster. Top Dragster is the only one of the 3 that isn’t a heads up class.
Boost delivery. Remember your walls for ur pistons can heat up. U put too much boost, it can crack the engine. Sure u can get a few great runs but what's the point if that ONE MORE race busts ur engine.
@@Tazerectprochargers are very good for roll racing, turbos can be but you have to have anti-lag. A procharger is like a turbo with a pulley, so basically half supercharger and half turbocharger. Prochargers have the delivery of superchargers and the ability for more boost like a turbocharger
Same question…definitely not same psi plus the turbo’d 60’ was .15 faster which is .3 in the 1/4 not to mention the trap speed difference definitely indicates higher boost
@@cg8er145Have to also remember the efficiency of the turbo versus the engine having to spin the centrifugal. The higher you go in boost this will become more of a difference. And unless the centri was wastegated then it's not going to be a consistent boost throughout the pull. Lots of factors here to try to compare but coyotes just have a far more favorable powerband with turbos than blowers. Lots of work to get a turbo car setup right so that's why I went with an ESS kit :P
@@rileyneufeld7001 agreed on most points but boost is boost rather the turbo going to hit and hold psi vs centri that hits “x” psi but builds with rpms. 14psi turbo probably exact same hp as 14psi centri setup depending on size of blower. A centri builds boost with rpms in a literal 45* angle if looking at a dyno of any centri setup. Ask me how I know lol. You got a centri? Vid?
@@rileyneufeld7001 haven’t heard of a wastegate for a centri car…boost builds by rpm as the blower is driven by crankshaft rpms. Unless there’s some new stuff out there I’m unaware of. 🤷♂️
@@cg8er145 Not true sadly, even with parasitic loss taken away from the centri the turbo itself is more efficient not by much though. Yea wastegated centri setups aren't very popular due to the added steps, but it is a pretty big performance upgrade. You essentially put say a 15psi pulley to get the blower spinning faster earlier but bleeding off excess boost to get your desired boost psi of 10 psi. Pretty much making your centri car power curve feel like a turbo and perform a lot closer to one, with essentially no lag since the engine is spinning the blower rather than exhaust gasses. And I just posted a video of the car for you! Check it out
My take on this:
Procharger: Better for bracket racing. Just look at the Top Dragster class.
Turbo: Better for heads up.
Top fuel dragsters don't use centrifugal superchargers theres too much delay. They use roots style superchargers to build instant compression and have an immediate increase in intake pressure and air density, which is super important when burning methanol at the rate they do. Meth in a turbo setup would just explode almost every time due to the CFM demand for the flow rate of fuel used.
You'll find screw style positive displacement devices to be the go-to for just about all street car mods as theyre very efficient and require much less HP to turn and provide better rate of cooling but for the inane burn rate of methanol the roots is best as you can increase intake pressure more than 4x volume as low as 600-800 RPM where a screw or centrifugal fail to achieve. Its absolutely crucial you keep up with the CFM ratios with methanol otherwise you get those good old top fuel explosions we've seen all over youtube.
@@mitchellward5739 I didn’t talk about Top Fuel, i talked about Top Dragster, which is one of the NHRA Lucas Oil Series classes.
@@mitchellward5739 I wasn’t talking about Top Fuel, i was talking about Top Dragster, which is one of the classes in the NHRA Lucas Oil Series. To make it less confusing, there’s Top Fuel, Top Alcohol Dragster and Top Dragster. Top Dragster is the only one of the 3 that isn’t a heads up class.
More streetable too
My Procharger F1A-94 went very LOW 8'S in the 1/4 mile
i was gonna say lol my na gen 10 speed is going 8s in the 60-130 lol why is this car slow?
@@robertcoberly346 check now😂
@@robertcoberly346maybe different HP and I think I'ma go for the turbo as there is a turn to minimize turbo lag or completely remove it
@@Freedomtooffroad
How so?
How would you be able to completely remove turbo lag????
@@matthewvarnam4302 ant lag kit there are some tunes faster spools you could buy some other stuff to
Different boost 4 sure. Also, whipple < hybrid roots... which I have & love. Demon beats this w/ hybrid roots. I don't! cool car.
i went faster than both with my procharger ;P
Giant unpredictable turbo boost will kill you on a track though 😂😂. Prochargers linear and instant power band seems better for road racing.
And u can turn up the boost way easier with turbo if that isn’t enough power or if u want more
Obviously he knows that but it was slipping at the time
What other mods do they have?
What size procharger??
You mean centrifugal supercharger vs turbo. Procharger is just a company name like Garrett
Way more boost with the turbo of course it’s gonna be faster lol 10 more mph
Don't forget no parasitic loss either, turbos got aloooot more torque in the low rev range.
Same psi?
Turbo is my best, stustustustu
How many more psi on the turbo, though?
A lot more
That sounds slow for both set-up. Hell a N/A car will run that fast.
What’s the difference between Procharger, Supercharger and Turbo? 🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️
Boost delivery. Remember your walls for ur pistons can heat up. U put too much boost, it can crack the engine. Sure u can get a few great runs but what's the point if that ONE MORE race busts ur engine.
@@daviedood2503do you know what would be better for rolls
@@Tazerectprochargers are very good for roll racing, turbos can be but you have to have anti-lag. A procharger is like a turbo with a pulley, so basically half supercharger and half turbocharger. Prochargers have the delivery of superchargers and the ability for more boost like a turbocharger
@@AnonymousPilot1206 💪🏿
@@AnonymousPilot1206 so prochargers is safer then both?
How many pounds of boost ?
All of them lol
So turbo better
By a long shot
Same amount of boost?
Same question…definitely not same psi plus the turbo’d 60’ was .15 faster which is .3 in the 1/4 not to mention the trap speed difference definitely indicates higher boost
@@cg8er145Have to also remember the efficiency of the turbo versus the engine having to spin the centrifugal. The higher you go in boost this will become more of a difference. And unless the centri was wastegated then it's not going to be a consistent boost throughout the pull.
Lots of factors here to try to compare but coyotes just have a far more favorable powerband with turbos than blowers. Lots of work to get a turbo car setup right so that's why I went with an ESS kit :P
@@rileyneufeld7001 agreed on most points but boost is boost rather the turbo going to hit and hold psi vs centri that hits “x” psi but builds with rpms. 14psi turbo probably exact same hp
as 14psi centri setup depending on size of blower. A centri builds boost with rpms in a literal 45* angle if looking at a dyno of any centri setup. Ask me how I know lol. You got a centri? Vid?
@@rileyneufeld7001 haven’t heard of a wastegate for a centri car…boost builds by rpm as the blower is driven by crankshaft rpms. Unless there’s some new stuff out there I’m unaware of. 🤷♂️
@@cg8er145 Not true sadly, even with parasitic loss taken away from the centri the turbo itself is more efficient not by much though. Yea wastegated centri setups aren't very popular due to the added steps, but it is a pretty big performance upgrade. You essentially put say a 15psi pulley to get the blower spinning faster earlier but bleeding off excess boost to get your desired boost psi of 10 psi. Pretty much making your centri car power curve feel like a turbo and perform a lot closer to one, with essentially no lag since the engine is spinning the blower rather than exhaust gasses. And I just posted a video of the car for you! Check it out
Single or twin better?
Twin for no lag
Single for 0-60 in never
Damn you got a 10 second car w turbocharging
And soon we’ll be able to compare it to twins 🫡
Twin is absolutely better because of no lag