Yes, Cities Skylines is great of course of course, but remember this video is about the best SimCity that they made and undoubtedly there would not be Cities Skylines without SC which then inspired Cities in Motion.
I used to play this in my parents room where the giant PC was lol. I used to close the door and play for hours, building huge cities. The jazz had me hooked too. Love that you revisit these older games. Makes me feel young again! I’m 37 but hey…
Debatably it's more of a game, city skylines is more or less a traffic sim, SimCity is more a city/population management, the police stations really matter, your gonna need more then one.. especially if your city is poor, it's harder to manage in SimCity, but funner, Skylines only limitiion is overbuilding in the beginning and failing to turn a surplus and going into perpetual Debit, if you avoid that, your eventually gonna be I'm no danger of anything, the first limit is traffic, which is the same as sc4k, but idk their different. By ut both good.
Simcity 4 is the most enjoyable city builder I've ever played. I was just like 12 when I started playing it in 2003 and I still love it (with the Rush Hour expansion pack, even better). Cities XL and Cities Skylines are an evolution in a lot of senses, but they're not even close to provide that same sense of joy while playing it. It's hard to explain. Even the soundtrack is cool and unforgettable.
I'm glad that EA released sim city 3000 unlimited release to steam and we don't need EA account. Back then when EA don't make us to use mandatory account signin to play one game.
Even now 19 years later after release I still think it has the best statistical city simulation. You really had to do a lot of balancing and management of zone codes, landmarks/special facilities, city services, parks & recreation, transportation, maintenance, landfill, & utilities. All this whilst making adjustments to the budget to try to retain a positive cash flow. Diversification of agriculture and industry types was very important and rewarding. Seeing the difference in architectural styles and cleanliness as you switch over from the lower class to the middle class then eventually to the upper class was also great to see the different progress. The city simulation took into account the differences in commercial spaces with some developments working more for local commodities like cheap car lots, or for more corporate managerial or financial operations in which there would be commerical developments ideal for office space utilization. The class system and education system were IMO greatly implemented here. You had to really think where your working class, middle class, and professional class areas should be. Add that into how densification is managed with the low, medium, & high density zones and in how the size of the RCI demand in combination with the zonable density limit as well as the types of wealth class of zoning is demanded which require appealable enough locations where developments will be built (low crime, high service, leisure, education, access and proximity to certain jobs, and low pollution.) When you get your first skyscraper in SimCity 4 it definitely feels like a big accomplishment when compared to a cities skylines which really isn't hard to get to that point especially if you have the green cities pack which comes with IT office. SimCity 4 was the place where you could build massive metropolises which have distinct areas or districts/counties but all work together to allow for a huge diversified game economy to flourish.
i really like the distinction between medium and high density, it prevents a cities skylines problem where every apartment becomes a giant skyscraper if it has space
В Cities Skylines вообще нет небоскрёбов, на мой взгляд, максимум средний уровень. Ну несколько зданий разве что. И архитектура зданий там полная ерунда, сплошной модерн.
My only way to get positive cash flow was through mass transit fares and tolls. And adding high capacity commercial buildings through mods to jumpstart taxes
The truth is that SimCity 4 Deluxe Edition needs a remaster to nowadays computers. Its way to create regions and cities are amazing! And of course the "U Drive it" option is wonderful! I miss cable cars, muni metro (like in San Francisco), footbridges, etc..., in SimCity 4!
@@GasDeCoca Exactly! Me too, I tried to play Cities Skylines but I didn't like it. I will wait High Rise City, which is a new city builder game released this year, get some new updates, and I will try to play it. I WAS TOLD that in High Rise City we will be able to construct a city beyond its boundaries, by buying new parts of the map.
@@hellz23456 @Happy Poop By the way, what is a Isometric Ortho? I know what isometric is, but I've never heard that "ortho" before! I know that maybe that means "orthographic" (ISOMETRIC ORTOGRAPHIC I mean), but can you explain to me how that isometric ortho "vision" works in a game?
Coming from somebody who's never played SC4 and only Cities Skylines, this actually looks wonderful. For all that I love about Skylines and its ability to explore a 3D city in real time, there's just something about this game, even without nostalgia glasses on that makes it pleasing to look at. The soundtrack is miles better too.
@@RellDefinition I still play SC3000... and I still play SC4 as well. The reason is that there is NO real successor. SC2013 was a pile of cr*p and skylines is a pretender.
i decided to try the game last night while i was extremely stoned and it was completely blowing my mind. the music, the details. i really "saw" what they did with this game when i wasnt able to before. it's the pinnacle of the Maxis philosophy. nobody has really learned from what Maxis was about, it's sad.
@@worstusername22 I'm not sure if it was a glitch in the game, or a glitch in my mind after playing for so long: but I found that after saving the game for the first time, after every session afterwards, the game would be excruciatingly slow.
I remember the days as a 12yr old kid waitin what seemed like an hour for the game to load. If the city was too big 9 times out of 10 the game always crashed or simply froze
I wasn't able to fully enjoy the game and grow large cities until I had a Core i7, back in 2009. It didn't need a lot of RAM, just a processor with high IPC (instructions per clock), which relative to the hardware from 2003, my i7 had in spades.
The very first video game I ever played was the original SimCity. At the time it was just one of the most incredible and detailed video games I had ever seen and I was fascinated at beginning a city and watching it begin to grow and seeing traffic begin to move around the cities. The amount of imaginative freedom that you had in the game was a magical experience to me. SimCity 4 is up at the very top of my list of most loved games. It's awesome to watch others play the game. Thanks.
The soundtrack was so great from the game. Great memories come up :D. I even think the graphics are sometimes better than (more realistic) than Cities Skylines :D.
The only thing I don't miss about SC4 is "DATPacking" and Dependency hunting for mods and custom content. Now I'm spoiled by Steam in Cities Skylines. But I still have my SC4 disc and have high regards for this game which is the benchmark of city builders.
SC4 for me is still the best at showing how your city develops as the population increases and wealth levels change. It's VERY satisfying when you start getting those fancy apartments showing up and larger office buildings based on population. The one thing I just cannot stand about Cities Skylines is that even with small population cities you can have 10-20+ story highrises popping up. With SC4 even if you zone everything dense until the population exists to support it they won't grow. Things happens organically, "emergent" if you will.
Sim City 4 was and still is my all time favorite of the EA Sim City series. Sim City 4 could have and should have been improved on (not changed) to be what City Skylines is (if not better), before City Skylines was ever made! It is so sad they dropped the ball with Sim City 2013! It could have been that game if they had not left out some of the main/key parts to SimCity 4 that made it so great and fun to play at that time! Thanks for the video.
I agree, Sim City 4 is a masterpiece of a game, it would be so cool if they did a remaster of 4 but updated it a bit to compete with Cities Skyline, I wish! 💫
SC4 can do something somewhat similar insofar as you can create, say, a basic shop building and a variety of facades that can be added to the front of it
I also think it's annoying that there are 1 or 2 models per service. Large Elementary School, Small Elementary School; Large High School, Small High School; police, fire, medical, all the same. I wish they would make them a "zoneable" with multiple models and also multiple "densities". Like in Sim City 2000 wherein airports and seaports were zoned and not pre-set assets. You needed a minimum area to get it to work, but you could set the area and it would fill in depending on the lot size and shape.. if you combine that with the Modular features, it could add an entirely different dimension. I feel like they get tired and boring quickly. At least in vanilla... Mods change that haha
Almost 20 years later, I still love this game, man. Very deep and soothing soundtrack, great city building mechanics, and overall a GRAND inspiration for Cities Skylines! I actually remember first playing the game, back when I was a kid, in 2003! Brand new!
I'm still playing Simcity 4. I played it on CD for as long as I could but various problems arose. I was really happy to find it on Steam and I'm even happier that it worked. I'd love to see more SC4 content!
Zoning is better on SimCity than on Cities Skylines because SimCity has low, medium high. In Cities Skylines you get sky scrappers next to single family homes and the skyscrapers have an unrealistically small footprint.
its amazing in simcity 4 because you can make a 100 percent rural plot with low and medium density without EVER having any skyscrapers or anything . a whole farm town . you can make it! you cant do that in other games
@@skyguy1988, not to mention with aim city you can start off in 1900 and only have tech unlock when it was invented. Can't do that in city skylines as it's as if you are creating a city in modern times vs being able to create a city in 1900 and deal with the struggles of evolution and passage of time.
I still consider SimCity 4 the greatest city building of all time. Cities: Skylines is a close second, but I definitely prefer SC4. I still remember being a dumb 10 year old trying to figure out how to make the cool massive airports like I saw on RUclips. Then I discovered Simtropolis...and that changed everything.
Yup. It's like SimCity 4 is foreverly known as the "father of all modern city building games". Because it is. Big map, there are regions in a map. Also there are agriculture aspect and industry aspect. You can make agriculture rural region in simcity4 And one thing that seems every modern city building games forgets. The nature. The environment. The animals and plants. Simcity have those deer, horse, etc there. Edit: oh and also we can drive the car in game. That's cool! Oh and also helicopter.
This was the pinnacle of the franchise. I spent countless hours past midnight playing this game, imagine they kept going in this direction instead of where SC went. I have a feeling SimCity would be doomed either way seeing how EA takes everything that was great and drags it through the mud
Hi Raptor and Raptorians! Love this game and that you are playing it again! Still have the boxed CD/DVD version on my shelve. Unfortunately cant play it no more on my current compu. Please keep adding playtime to the good old gaming library!
Besides being a great city builder one weird thing I love about it is how late 90s/2000s it is. Like the music and to the way it looks. I first played it in circa 2014 but it really brings me back to those times lol.
I've always loved how this games looks, but I could never get a city to survive very long. SimCity 2000 was my childhood, 3000 was fun, 4 confused me and... I do still have a softspot for 2013. Hope to see more of this game from you, it's a joy to see you playing!
In my opinion. If SimCity 2013 just had a bigger plot size it would be a great game. I personally always enjoyed 2013 especially after the Cities of Tomorrow expansion. Biggest bummer is always the never ending "ughh I just need a bigger area" problem. But I think they absolutely nailed the trading and industrial part of the game.
I got the game a few months back, i grew up rather meager and couldn't afford to play this upon release. Ty for this, as I just enjoy walkthroughs that are thorough, in-depth and informative. Sub earned.
0:53 omg I've owned deluxe edition for the last 8 years or so and only yesterday, LITERALLY YESTERDAY, did I consider that possibility that sims 1 might have some hidden connection to simcity 4 since the games were made so close to each other. And I thought to myself, "wouldn't it be neat if you could like integrate the two games in a way where you can get more into the lives of your sims in your cities like an actual sims game and still control your whole city from above like in sims 3, but on a MUCH grander scale? See how your city changes effect the lives of your sims directly."
I remember when the 'Rush Hour" dlc was released. Changed the game. This is a great throw back and there's nothing wrong paying homage to a time before. Great video man
Miss this game, it's awesome. Need a remake/remaster ASAP and add more modern things like bike lanes, BRT, VLT, rail, high speed rail, eletric cars charging points (don't remember if exists in the expansion or not)
what is crazy is how I click anywhere in this video and the music is amazing. I think this game has the best video game soundtrack of all time. And SC3 was pretty good to.
20 years old today, can't quite believe it. Still a fantastic game despite its rough edges, and still a god tier soundtrack as compiled by then Maxis audio director Jerry Martin.
Sim City 4 OST is the best OST for a game ever made, it goes from Heavenly Choirs to Hip Hop, Jazz and New Age, its amazing, Jerry Martin did a great job
This game was definitely a love-hate relationship for me. I got it back around 2005 so it was far before City skylines. I love the idea of building a city and since I've been slowly moving away from combat-oriented games, city builders have literally become my favorite. While there were really good features like the ability to share utilities between different blocks, like if you had a really big city next to a really small City you can sell the trash from the small City to the big city and then sell Power and Water from the big city to the small City. And there are other fun features but it was almost impossible to make anything work right. At least in City skylines I can make something that looks like an actual City and functions like one too, in SimCity you almost had to prioritize roads over any type of design. Not to mention the lack of curvature to roads really made it a stagnant experience. Before I even picked up City skylines I got tired of SimCity. But Nostalgia is a metal baseball bat to the back of the head for me, so I may be getting this on my computer from The Game Pass in the next couple of days. I think more or less all it's going to do is make me appreciate cities skylines more LOL
@@togglefire3537 yes! it includes a completely rewritten traffic simulator; a new highway network with a variety of widths, along with modular interchanges, four height levels and a bunch of other stuff; smooth curves for streets, roads, avenues and highways; fractionally angled networks (i.e. not just square or at 45° to the grid); roundabouts; a new railway system; and a bunch of other stuff i've prob forgotten, as i haven't played for ages. it's still actively developed, which is kind of amazing. i won't link it here as YT doesn't like external links but search for "Network Addon Mod" at Simtropolis, ModDB or SC4 Devotion and you'll find it. it's a bit of a steep learning curve--the limitations of SC4 means that its more advanced features will never be as easy to use as, say, Cities: Skylines--but it's a pretty incredible achievement, and it really does make SC4 a whole new game.
SC3000 and SC4 were the peak. Sim City 2013 could've been great, but it required online and the map sizes were limited, and EA became the EA we now hate, so I don't see them releasing anything better.
I'm still a huge SimCity 4 player myself. It is *definitely* thanks to sites like Simtropolis that a city simulator from 2003 still remains relevant in 2022! I've actually built five-level Texas-style stack interchanges using the Network Addon Mod (NAM) and RealHighway Mod (RHW) in SC4... and that ability comes from (relatively) recent additions to these mods, which are still active projects to this day. Not to mention, my SC4 region also has a couple of massive freeways resembling the Katy Freeway and the 401. I don't really do gaming on my (currently dead) channel, but I ought to do some city simulation stuff, especially with SC4. The biggest thing SC4 still has over Cities: Skylines is the region system. You can build realistically-sized metropolitan areas in SC4, whereas C:S has quite a small map size (18km x 18km) by comparison... with building and segment limits to further constrain things, even with an 81-tile mod that opens up the entire map.
It’s crazy to think that some devs made cities skylines after 15 years when simcity 4 first released with worse ambient sounds, building themes, soundtrack, bad color corrections, lighting, weather conditions and such 🤷♂️ Seriously, all the people who think skylines is the best city simulation game, just watch, this game was made almost 20 years ago and still looks interesting! No need to mention the aesthetics and awesome soundtrack, and of course ambient sound😉
It would be absolutely amazing if we got a remaster of this with a cleaned up UI and improved models but keeping the mostly same mechanics and aesthetic feel.
I love this game ! but my favorite Sim City of all has to be 3000 ! Its charming art style and graphics... the music is TOP notch , you can grab it of GoG.
I just found your channel, I can’t believe I watched the whole video, you’re so entertaining! I play SC4 pretty regularly, but I love seeing how other people start their cities out, I’m glad I found your channel
The thing I liked the most about my time playing sim city 4 delux addition, was how each city I establish in different neighboring regions would actually connect and have people migrate into my city or to their city, along with train and highway connectors becoming more weighted, instead of things and people going out to these mysterious cities that i’ll never see in City Skylines. …i remember feeling so accomplished when, after so many hours, days, and months of playtime, my industrial sector actually liked my city enough to begin building clean office buildings.
SimCity 4 is without a doubt my favorite city builder of all time, the one I put the most time in, and the one I learned the most about. More than that, though...it's because of SimCity 4 that I learned about the internet. The SC4 community was the first one I really dove into when I finally got access to both my good internet and my own computer. Simtropolis, the main forum site, taught me how to interact online with other people from around the world, and being a game that attracts a slightly older crowd than most, there was an effort in etiquette that wasn't present in a lot of other gaming communities, so I feel like I had an incredible foundation. Because it was so formative to my life online, SimCity 4 will always be a core part of who I am today, and I will always be thankful for that.
After working in my city's industrial area which only has 3 exits, it is HORRIBLE to try and get out of there. We closed at 5pm, then I drove about 300 metres down the road to the stop sign, sat there for about 30 minutes until someone(usually the same person every day, because all of us close at the same time) gives me a gap so I can get onto the main road, then I sit in traffic some more, until finally arriving home to find my housemate already home... And they close at 6. I worked 1.2km away from home
I would spend hours playing Simcity 4, and free moments at school trying to sketch out plans for cities, hah. I just wish it never had the bugged traffic, but its such a shame we never got a true SC game again after it. The way retro styles of game have made a comeback, if they made a new game that was hyper detailed but in the fixed angles like SC4, that'd be amazing. Not everything has to be super 3D to work.
My son, daughter and I had many hours of fun with SimCity4 when it came out, but over a few years we found a problem. As we do not live in the U.S. our cites are not built on a grid system of residential only zones, industrial only zones and commercial only zones, hence we could not replicate where we lived. Like many European cities, we intermix all three zones to varying degrees, particularly residential and commercial, it is not uncommon to have shops in the midst of a street of houses with perhaps a small industrial building as well. The same goes for hospitals, police and fire stations, all of these can be found anywhere in the three zones. Other than this, we did enjoy playing it.
I remember this game and had it but never really used it. I got Cities:Skylines and fell in love with it. Now watching this simulation, I'm sort of intrigued. Thanks for this video.
I liked how the property would start as cheap 1x4 land parcels. It makes sense that it would start as a low cost, small square footage lot and the land would sort of get bought and expanded as it upgrades
So keen for this, gonna pick it up in a few days and I can't wait. There were a lot of games of the late 90's and early 2000's that had a "magic" to them that devs these days can't really seem to capture
Simcity is the only game that I’ve played for about 15 years! Cities skylines was good at first, but started complaining in the very first hours. Only workshop and endless dlcs that made me play it for about 2 years. And each dlc was like joke. Spending more times in the workshop rather than playing it made me quit eventually. I still wonder why ea games doesn’t do anything to rebuild simcity and bring a fresh start 🤦♂️
you can change the files pretty easily. then you can have realy big regions. the graphics are still great, since you never zoom in that much. only the engine limits at some point while moving and thats realy anoying, thats true. thats why i didnt moved my screen while i do the world records, for better performance ;-)
36:53 ah thanks for keeping the nostalgia alive! I play with quite a lot of mods (nam, irm, spam, and different terrain textures like sudden valley terrain and the arden tree controller which make the game prettier, see my vids to see)
My favorite city simulator is simcity 2. But objectively, if I had to pick the best city simulator ever, I would probably pick SC4. Cities Skylines is OK, helped significantly by mods, but it is a poor simulator. The hordes of DLC are basically Tycoon games lite, not simulators, and CS is pretty boring and lacks character.
Seriously though, I’ve played that shitty game for about two years and then thank god there was at least anno 1404, then 1800. Cities skylines is the worst city simulator, it’s not actually a simulator it’s a building game with some annoying traffic ai, ridiculous RCI formula, childish/weird looking assets, terrible color corrections, annoying sound effects, ambient sound, music… oh gosh everything related to that game is a bullshit🤦♂️ city building genre became an orphan when ea games decided to kill simcity😞
It looks good. I personally think and yes this is probably heavily impacted by nostalgia that Sim City 2000 is still my favorite in the series, and probably that its 3000 but SimCity 4 definitely looks good, and its awesome that its still got an active modding community
Simulations have always been my thing, and Sim City has always been close to the top of my list of favorites. The SC series and Roller Coaster Tycoon series were next level back in their days. And now i'm off to another sim that's gone next level, MS Flight Simulator 2020.
In my childhood video games were used as a way to make adults think kids were being indoctrinated into becoming violent sociopaths. When in reality, "well we're just gonna do a mixed density zoning here."
Yes, Cities Skylines is great of course of course, but remember this video is about the best SimCity that they made and undoubtedly there would not be Cities Skylines without SC which then inspired Cities in Motion.
I used to play this in my parents room where the giant PC was lol. I used to close the door and play for hours, building huge cities. The jazz had me hooked too. Love that you revisit these older games. Makes me feel young again! I’m 37 but hey…
@@genius2524 I'll be 41 this month, so Cry me a river young man 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
Someone would have come up with a city builder at one point.
Debatably it's more of a game, city skylines is more or less a traffic sim, SimCity is more a city/population management, the police stations really matter, your gonna need more then one.. especially if your city is poor, it's harder to manage in SimCity, but funner, Skylines only limitiion is overbuilding in the beginning and failing to turn a surplus and going into perpetual Debit, if you avoid that, your eventually gonna be I'm no danger of anything, the first limit is traffic, which is the same as sc4k, but idk their different. By ut both good.
Timbuktu is a real place, it's a city in Mali.
Simcity 4 is the most enjoyable city builder I've ever played. I was just like 12 when I started playing it in 2003 and I still love it (with the Rush Hour expansion pack, even better). Cities XL and Cities Skylines are an evolution in a lot of senses, but they're not even close to provide that same sense of joy while playing it. It's hard to explain. Even the soundtrack is cool and unforgettable.
I'm glad that EA released sim city 3000 unlimited release to steam and we don't need EA account. Back then when EA don't make us to use mandatory account signin to play one game.
Even now 19 years later after release I still think it has the best statistical city simulation. You really had to do a lot of balancing and management of zone codes, landmarks/special facilities, city services, parks & recreation, transportation, maintenance, landfill, & utilities. All this whilst making adjustments to the budget to try to retain a positive cash flow.
Diversification of agriculture and industry types was very important and rewarding. Seeing the difference in architectural styles and cleanliness as you switch over from the lower class to the middle class then eventually to the upper class was also great to see the different progress.
The city simulation took into account the differences in commercial spaces with some developments working more for local commodities like cheap car lots, or for more corporate managerial or financial operations in which there would be commerical developments ideal for office space utilization. The class system and education system were IMO greatly implemented here. You had to really think where your working class, middle class, and professional class areas should be.
Add that into how densification is managed with the low, medium, & high density zones and in how the size of the RCI demand in combination with the zonable density limit as well as the types of wealth class of zoning is demanded which require appealable enough locations where developments will be built (low crime, high service, leisure, education, access and proximity to certain jobs, and low pollution.)
When you get your first skyscraper in SimCity 4 it definitely feels like a big accomplishment when compared to a cities skylines which really isn't hard to get to that point especially if you have the green cities pack which comes with IT office.
SimCity 4 was the place where you could build massive metropolises which have distinct areas or districts/counties but all work together to allow for a huge diversified game economy to flourish.
Very underappreciated review
i really like the distinction between medium and high density, it prevents a cities skylines problem where every apartment becomes a giant skyscraper if it has space
a lot of that was in your mind only dude
В Cities Skylines вообще нет небоскрёбов, на мой взгляд, максимум средний уровень. Ну несколько зданий разве что. И архитектура зданий там полная ерунда, сплошной модерн.
My only way to get positive cash flow was through mass transit fares and tolls. And adding high capacity commercial buildings through mods to jumpstart taxes
The truth is that SimCity 4 Deluxe Edition needs a remaster to nowadays computers. Its way to create regions and cities are amazing! And of course the "U Drive it" option is wonderful! I miss cable cars, muni metro (like in San Francisco), footbridges, etc..., in SimCity 4!
As someone who still plays SC4 regularly until this day, I wholeheartedly agree. That would be so awesome
@@GasDeCoca Exactly! Me too, I tried to play Cities Skylines but I didn't like it. I will wait High Rise City, which is a new city builder game released this year, get some new updates, and I will try to play it. I WAS TOLD that in High Rise City we will be able to construct a city beyond its boundaries, by buying new parts of the map.
@@GasDeCoca I want to get back in, I started with Sim City 5 because I was more a Sims player. I really want to experience the 2D era.
u drive it it the best, its like gta 2 but isometric ortho but you make your own city
@@hellz23456 @Happy Poop By the way, what is a Isometric Ortho? I know what isometric is, but I've never heard that "ortho" before! I know that maybe that means "orthographic" (ISOMETRIC ORTOGRAPHIC I mean), but can you explain to me how that isometric ortho "vision" works in a game?
Coming from somebody who's never played SC4 and only Cities Skylines, this actually looks wonderful. For all that I love about Skylines and its ability to explore a 3D city in real time, there's just something about this game, even without nostalgia glasses on that makes it pleasing to look at. The soundtrack is miles better too.
The fact that we're still playing a 20 year old game is miraculous. Not to mention its modding community is bigger than ever.
20 years is nothing. People are still playing 30+ games.
Sim City 3000 still gets play to this day
@@RellDefinition I still play SC3000... and I still play SC4 as well. The reason is that there is NO real successor. SC2013 was a pile of cr*p and skylines is a pretender.
@@tonyzed6831 Skylines is good, but it lacks the atmosphere of Aim City
@@RellDefinition I think is there's no real management in C:S, is more like a city painter, looking forward for S:C2
The music for 3000 and 4 but especially 4 for the ambience, just truly incredible team of talented individuals at Maxis. God what a game
i decided to try the game last night while i was extremely stoned and it was completely blowing my mind. the music, the details. i really "saw" what they did with this game when i wasnt able to before. it's the pinnacle of the Maxis philosophy. nobody has really learned from what Maxis was about, it's sad.
@@worstusername22 I'm not sure if it was a glitch in the game, or a glitch in my mind after playing for so long: but I found that after saving the game for the first time, after every session afterwards, the game would be excruciatingly slow.
I remember the days as a 12yr old kid waitin what seemed like an hour for the game to load. If the city was too big 9 times out of 10 the game always crashed or simply froze
These kids don't know how lucky they are!
Lol ! It was also a RAM eater?
I wasn't able to fully enjoy the game and grow large cities until I had a Core i7, back in 2009. It didn't need a lot of RAM, just a processor with high IPC (instructions per clock), which relative to the hardware from 2003, my i7 had in spades.
yeah man you had to save a lot, it would kill even a 2007 windows vista
ruclips.net/video/vQ8iDOP3d28/видео.html&ab_channel=Misk
How to set up simcity 4 to never crash :)
The very first video game I ever played was the original SimCity. At the time it was just one of the most incredible and detailed video games I had ever seen and I was fascinated at beginning a city and watching it begin to grow and seeing traffic begin to move around the cities. The amount of imaginative freedom that you had in the game was a magical experience to me. SimCity 4 is up at the very top of my list of most loved games. It's awesome to watch others play the game. Thanks.
The soundtrack was so great from the game. Great memories come up :D. I even think the graphics are sometimes better than (more realistic) than Cities Skylines :D.
Maxis did soundtracks right back in the day. Both Simcity and The Sims have great soundtracks.
Even 2013 had a fantastic soundtrack, definitely one of the best parts of Maxis.
@@everynametaken yeah SC 2013 had a great soundtrack, very calming and atmospheric
This game needs a remake. BADLY.
If they did i would consider dropping cities skylines, it needs to be updated agreed
Yes, and KEEP isometric pixel art, no 3D.
Wish it was remade but with GTA 5 graphics, and you could go first person in it and explore it
Yeah but by adding much more stuffs thay can make a sequel and it will be good according to me.
@@artv.9989GTA 5 graphics are outdated, if a game today came out looking like GTA 5 it would be a disappointment
The only thing I don't miss about SC4 is "DATPacking" and Dependency hunting for mods and custom content. Now I'm spoiled by Steam in Cities Skylines. But I still have my SC4 disc and have high regards for this game which is the benchmark of city builders.
I have a tip! Hold shift to remove the auto placement of roads when placing large sections of zoning! Love Simcity 4!
Now I need to install this again. I spent endless hours as a teen playing this. The music and ambience brings back so many memories! 😁😁
SC4 for me is still the best at showing how your city develops as the population increases and wealth levels change. It's VERY satisfying when you start getting those fancy apartments showing up and larger office buildings based on population. The one thing I just cannot stand about Cities Skylines is that even with small population cities you can have 10-20+ story highrises popping up. With SC4 even if you zone everything dense until the population exists to support it they won't grow. Things happens organically, "emergent" if you will.
Love this game so much. So glad so many can play it on modern systems and store pages etc. ❤️
Yeah, depending that you might see abandoned buildings then said buildings becoming alive or demolished for something else.
Sim City 4 was and still is my all time favorite of the EA Sim City series. Sim City 4 could have and should have been improved on (not changed) to be what City Skylines is (if not better), before City Skylines was ever made! It is so sad they dropped the ball with Sim City 2013! It could have been that game if they had not left out some of the main/key parts to SimCity 4 that made it so great and fun to play at that time! Thanks for the video.
I agree, Sim City 4 is a masterpiece of a game, it would be so cool if they did a remaster of 4 but updated it a bit to compete with Cities Skyline, I wish! 💫
Its kind of sad that they don't make them anymore. SimCity 4 or reboot was a failure.
I really do like the SimCity 2013 modular buildings aspect. I wish Cities: Skylinrs had it, and I'd love if SimCity 4 had anything like it.
The modular building is the epitome of procedural generation done right.
SC4 can do something somewhat similar insofar as you can create, say, a basic shop building and a variety of facades that can be added to the front of it
I also think it's annoying that there are 1 or 2 models per service. Large Elementary School, Small Elementary School; Large High School, Small High School; police, fire, medical, all the same. I wish they would make them a "zoneable" with multiple models and also multiple "densities". Like in Sim City 2000 wherein airports and seaports were zoned and not pre-set assets. You needed a minimum area to get it to work, but you could set the area and it would fill in depending on the lot size and shape.. if you combine that with the Modular features, it could add an entirely different dimension. I feel like they get tired and boring quickly. At least in vanilla... Mods change that haha
The music in this game still slaps. I have it on when I'm playing city skylines.
Almost 20 years later, I still love this game, man. Very deep and soothing soundtrack, great city building mechanics, and overall a GRAND inspiration for Cities Skylines! I actually remember first playing the game, back when I was a kid, in 2003! Brand new!
I'm still playing Simcity 4. I played it on CD for as long as I could but various problems arose. I was really happy to find it on Steam and I'm even happier that it worked. I'd love to see more SC4 content!
Zoning is better on SimCity than on Cities Skylines because SimCity has low, medium high. In Cities Skylines you get sky scrappers next to single family homes and the skyscrapers have an unrealistically small footprint.
its amazing in simcity 4 because you can make a 100 percent rural plot with low and medium density without EVER having any skyscrapers or anything . a whole farm town . you can make it! you cant do that in other games
@@skyguy1988, not to mention with aim city you can start off in 1900 and only have tech unlock when it was invented. Can't do that in city skylines as it's as if you are creating a city in modern times vs being able to create a city in 1900 and deal with the struggles of evolution and passage of time.
That's it, I'm going to say it: SimAnt is the ABSOLUTE greatest ant colony builder they ever made...
i hope there is SimAnt remake that have the massive map of tug of war between the red and black ants zones or vs human houses
Ants: Skylines could never perfect the formula sadly.
I really missed simant!
I still consider SimCity 4 the greatest city building of all time. Cities: Skylines is a close second, but I definitely prefer SC4.
I still remember being a dumb 10 year old trying to figure out how to make the cool massive airports like I saw on RUclips. Then I discovered Simtropolis...and that changed everything.
same.....so much same lmao.
Same here lmaoo once I found out about simtropolis I would spend HOURS just scrolling and downloading
Yea. Plus it’s easier to learn on SimCity, then on cities skylines
Cities Skylines is dogshit lol
Yup. It's like SimCity 4 is foreverly known as the "father of all modern city building games". Because it is.
Big map, there are regions in a map. Also there are agriculture aspect and industry aspect. You can make agriculture rural region in simcity4
And one thing that seems every modern city building games forgets. The nature. The environment. The animals and plants. Simcity have those deer, horse, etc there.
Edit: oh and also we can drive the car in game. That's cool! Oh and also helicopter.
This was the pinnacle of the franchise. I spent countless hours past midnight playing this game, imagine they kept going in this direction instead of where SC went. I have a feeling SimCity would be doomed either way seeing how EA takes everything that was great and drags it through the mud
You could remake this game with the best parts of SimCity 2013, and build a competent DLC system and it would be massively popular and profitable.
the modding community is amazing. the NAM is probably the most impressive feat ever of retrofitting a game with an entire new ... game, basically
Hi Raptor and Raptorians! Love this game and that you are playing it again! Still have the boxed CD/DVD version on my shelve. Unfortunately cant play it no more on my current compu. Please keep adding playtime to the good old gaming library!
there are fixes for the "Win 10 issue" .. fixes the crashes.. and some great other mods out there for this old girl..
Maxis was one of the greatest game creation companies ever. EA is straight poison. Sim City 2013 was a complete disaster from the launch.
Besides being a great city builder one weird thing I love about it is how late 90s/2000s it is. Like the music and to the way it looks. I first played it in circa 2014 but it really brings me back to those times lol.
especially the architecture, postmodernism everywhere
I've always loved how this games looks, but I could never get a city to survive very long. SimCity 2000 was my childhood, 3000 was fun, 4 confused me and... I do still have a softspot for 2013. Hope to see more of this game from you, it's a joy to see you playing!
In my opinion. If SimCity 2013 just had a bigger plot size it would be a great game. I personally always enjoyed 2013 especially after the Cities of Tomorrow expansion. Biggest bummer is always the never ending "ughh I just need a bigger area" problem. But I think they absolutely nailed the trading and industrial part of the game.
maybe they should've made bigger plot size and let the game crash when the city got too big like cs4 instead of doing this limit.
Happy 21st Anniversary From SimCity 4!!!💎💎💖💖💖🎂🎂🎂🎂🎂 (Official)
SimCity 4 21st Anniversary Special!!!
(9 January 2003 - 9 January 2024) 🎂🎂🎂💍🏅💟
That game maybe ancient, but it is still one of the best city builders I knew of.
Not to mention using mods boost the playability.
I got the game a few months back, i grew up rather meager and couldn't afford to play this upon release. Ty for this, as I just enjoy walkthroughs that are thorough, in-depth and informative. Sub earned.
If you want more control over your zoning you can hold shift (roadless layout), ctrl (custom parcel size) or alt (different layout).
Imagine if the devs just decided to expand on this instead of making 20 years of garbage or not doing a game at all
Glory to Raptoria!
0:53 omg I've owned deluxe edition for the last 8 years or so and only yesterday, LITERALLY YESTERDAY, did I consider that possibility that sims 1 might have some hidden connection to simcity 4 since the games were made so close to each other.
And I thought to myself, "wouldn't it be neat if you could like integrate the two games in a way where you can get more into the lives of your sims in your cities like an actual sims game and still control your whole city from above like in sims 3, but on a MUCH grander scale? See how your city changes effect the lives of your sims directly."
What a soothing voice this guy has!
For real I’m nodding off cause I feel relaxed lol
The background music is way too loud.
I remember when the 'Rush Hour" dlc was released. Changed the game. This is a great throw back and there's nothing wrong paying homage to a time before. Great video man
Sim City was a game of kings
OMG I actually forgot that I played SO MUCH of this game. The music, brings it all back, far out.
Best tip, guys > play Cities Skylines WITH Sim City 4 Soundtracks. ITS SO COOL THEN :D
How do you do that is it a mod or something?
@@___Sunflower if you have sim city 4 on your PC, just copy the soundtrack and play it random in windows media player.
@@clairelenia6338 OK the way you made it sound was like if you could Play the soundtrack in City skylines, but that still cool idea Ty for the tip 😁
I just find the soundtrack on RUclips and let it play on the background
Play Simcity 4
Miss this game, it's awesome. Need a remake/remaster ASAP and add more modern things like bike lanes, BRT, VLT, rail, high speed rail, eletric cars charging points (don't remember if exists in the expansion or not)
This exists in mods. Try simtropolis for your wishes
🎶♥️🎶 The music from Sim City4 is amazing!
what is crazy is how I click anywhere in this video and the music is amazing.
I think this game has the best video game soundtrack of all time. And SC3 was pretty good to.
AGREE
I only learned about this game recently. Of only had known about Sim City 3000. But Sim City 4 looks impressive.
This soundtrack was a big part of the game for me. So good, I use it for any rts or city builder to get a similar feeling.
20 years old today, can't quite believe it. Still a fantastic game despite its rough edges, and still a god tier soundtrack as compiled by then Maxis audio director Jerry Martin.
All we, city builders fans, need is SimCity 4 in 3D, and with diagonal roads and real-time traffic without dissapearing cars
Simcity in Unreal Engine 5
@@marcozolo3536 N U T
Sim City 4 OST is the best OST for a game ever made, it goes from Heavenly Choirs to Hip Hop, Jazz and New Age, its amazing, Jerry Martin did a great job
This game was definitely a love-hate relationship for me. I got it back around 2005 so it was far before City skylines. I love the idea of building a city and since I've been slowly moving away from combat-oriented games, city builders have literally become my favorite.
While there were really good features like the ability to share utilities between different blocks, like if you had a really big city next to a really small City you can sell the trash from the small City to the big city and then sell Power and Water from the big city to the small City. And there are other fun features but it was almost impossible to make anything work right.
At least in City skylines I can make something that looks like an actual City and functions like one too, in SimCity you almost had to prioritize roads over any type of design. Not to mention the lack of curvature to roads really made it a stagnant experience. Before I even picked up City skylines I got tired of SimCity.
But Nostalgia is a metal baseball bat to the back of the head for me, so I may be getting this on my computer from The Game Pass in the next couple of days. I think more or less all it's going to do is make me appreciate cities skylines more LOL
pro tip: get a hold of the NAM if you want curved roads (and much, much more)
@@evilotis01 I'm assuming thats a mod?
@@togglefire3537 yes! it includes a completely rewritten traffic simulator; a new highway network with a variety of widths, along with modular interchanges, four height levels and a bunch of other stuff; smooth curves for streets, roads, avenues and highways; fractionally angled networks (i.e. not just square or at 45° to the grid); roundabouts; a new railway system; and a bunch of other stuff i've prob forgotten, as i haven't played for ages. it's still actively developed, which is kind of amazing. i won't link it here as YT doesn't like external links but search for "Network Addon Mod" at Simtropolis, ModDB or SC4 Devotion and you'll find it. it's a bit of a steep learning curve--the limitations of SC4 means that its more advanced features will never be as easy to use as, say, Cities: Skylines--but it's a pretty incredible achievement, and it really does make SC4 a whole new game.
@@togglefire3537 disclaimer: i'm not involved with it in any way, i just think it's amazing
@@evilotis01 ok I think I need to get that then. Sounds like a dope mod.
All of the Sim City games are great, but Sim City 3000 will always be my favorite.
Mine too. And the soundtrack is unbeatable. You can hear the musicians laughing out of joy at the end of some jazz tunes.
Same
SC3000 and SC4 were the peak. Sim City 2013 could've been great, but it required online and the map sizes were limited, and EA became the EA we now hate, so I don't see them releasing anything better.
I'm still in pulse to start play it even I spent hours and hours in 2003 in college.
I'm still a huge SimCity 4 player myself. It is *definitely* thanks to sites like Simtropolis that a city simulator from 2003 still remains relevant in 2022!
I've actually built five-level Texas-style stack interchanges using the Network Addon Mod (NAM) and RealHighway Mod (RHW) in SC4... and that ability comes from (relatively) recent additions to these mods, which are still active projects to this day. Not to mention, my SC4 region also has a couple of massive freeways resembling the Katy Freeway and the 401.
I don't really do gaming on my (currently dead) channel, but I ought to do some city simulation stuff, especially with SC4.
The biggest thing SC4 still has over Cities: Skylines is the region system. You can build realistically-sized metropolitan areas in SC4, whereas C:S has quite a small map size (18km x 18km) by comparison... with building and segment limits to further constrain things, even with an 81-tile mod that opens up the entire map.
Please do post some of your sc4 stuff, sounds amazing.
It was my favorite city builder game. I wish they'd release something like it again.
I still like it more then skiline, the bigest reason is the artstyle
It’s crazy to think that some devs made cities skylines after 15 years when simcity 4 first released with worse ambient sounds, building themes, soundtrack, bad color corrections, lighting, weather conditions and such 🤷♂️
Seriously, all the people who think skylines is the best city simulation game, just watch, this game was made almost 20 years ago and still looks interesting! No need to mention the aesthetics and awesome soundtrack, and of course ambient sound😉
Cities Skylines is dogshit lol
Lol cities skylines is not a simulation…
@@iwillnoteatzebugs yeah, it took me too much to realize that 🤦♂️
Sim City 3000 WE was my very first PC game. I loved it.
SC4 was big, for me. Such cool memories, thank you!
Awesome video.
The intro of the video somehow feels so nostalgic and I can see my younger self playing the game for hours.
The BGM brings back so much memories!
Your voice is golden! Perfect for commentary or radio hosting 😊 This game is definitely nostalgic so that’s how I got here. You got a new subscriber 😎
Everything started with SimCity.
But Skylines took over its legacy.
More like, keeps trying to
@@blomgaming6480 Fully modded Skylines takes you to another dimension
ruclips.net/video/zqmD7Pe5QmI/видео.html
Ohhh, nostalgia. I miss this game.
It would be absolutely amazing if we got a remaster of this with a cleaned up UI and improved models but keeping the mostly same mechanics and aesthetic feel.
Jogo que revolucionou e moldou o padrão dos City Builders!
Merecia um remake!
Did anyone else notice how raptor had to yell his entire intro cause the background music was so loud. 😂😂
I love this game ! but my favorite Sim City of all has to be 3000 ! Its charming art style and graphics... the music is TOP notch , you can grab it of GoG.
I just found your channel, I can’t believe I watched the whole video, you’re so entertaining! I play SC4 pretty regularly, but I love seeing how other people start their cities out, I’m glad I found your channel
The thing I liked the most about my time playing sim city 4 delux addition, was how each city I establish in different neighboring regions would actually connect and have people migrate into my city or to their city, along with train and highway connectors becoming more weighted, instead of things and people going out to these mysterious cities that i’ll never see in City Skylines.
…i remember feeling so accomplished when, after so many hours, days, and months of playtime, my industrial sector actually liked my city enough to begin building clean office buildings.
i used to play this alot , so glad its still being played and popular! had no idea, but it was one of the best of this type of games i ever played!
sooo true, if only EA didn't ruin simcity 5. i have play cities skylines with all its dlc, but still not as beautiful as simcity 4
SimCity 4 is without a doubt my favorite city builder of all time, the one I put the most time in, and the one I learned the most about. More than that, though...it's because of SimCity 4 that I learned about the internet. The SC4 community was the first one I really dove into when I finally got access to both my good internet and my own computer. Simtropolis, the main forum site, taught me how to interact online with other people from around the world, and being a game that attracts a slightly older crowd than most, there was an effort in etiquette that wasn't present in a lot of other gaming communities, so I feel like I had an incredible foundation. Because it was so formative to my life online, SimCity 4 will always be a core part of who I am today, and I will always be thankful for that.
I've been working on the same region since 2005!
Anyone remember Sim City Societies? In my opinion underrated.
Yeah, that game had a good concept, but its application was atrocious, unfortunately.
I cant stop getting tears by theese old classic games... Why does growing up&becoming a "bommer" feel depressing??
nothing captures the feeling more than simcity 4. tremendous game i still play to this day
Press shift and drag when placing zones and it’ll exclude the road
facts
After working in my city's industrial area which only has 3 exits, it is HORRIBLE to try and get out of there. We closed at 5pm, then I drove about 300 metres down the road to the stop sign, sat there for about 30 minutes until someone(usually the same person every day, because all of us close at the same time) gives me a gap so I can get onto the main road, then I sit in traffic some more, until finally arriving home to find my housemate already home... And they close at 6. I worked 1.2km away from home
I would spend hours playing Simcity 4, and free moments at school trying to sketch out plans for cities, hah. I just wish it never had the bugged traffic, but its such a shame we never got a true SC game again after it. The way retro styles of game have made a comeback, if they made a new game that was hyper detailed but in the fixed angles like SC4, that'd be amazing. Not everything has to be super 3D to work.
My son, daughter and I had many hours of fun with SimCity4 when it came out, but over a few years we found a problem.
As we do not live in the U.S. our cites are not built on a grid system of residential only zones, industrial only zones and commercial only zones, hence we could not replicate where we lived.
Like many European cities, we intermix all three zones to varying degrees, particularly residential and commercial, it is not uncommon to have shops in the midst of a street of houses with perhaps a small industrial building as well.
The same goes for hospitals, police and fire stations, all of these can be found anywhere in the three zones.
Other than this, we did enjoy playing it.
I remember this game and had it but never really used it. I got Cities:Skylines and fell in love with it. Now watching this simulation, I'm sort of intrigued. Thanks for this video.
I liked how the property would start as cheap 1x4 land parcels. It makes sense that it would start as a low cost, small square footage lot and the land would sort of get bought and expanded as it upgrades
So keen for this, gonna pick it up in a few days and I can't wait. There were a lot of games of the late 90's and early 2000's that had a "magic" to them that devs these days can't really seem to capture
Man, I love it. Best city building game ever.
I started as a kid in the 90's loved building city's
Simcity is the only game that I’ve played for about 15 years! Cities skylines was good at first, but started complaining in the very first hours. Only workshop and endless dlcs that made me play it for about 2 years. And each dlc was like joke. Spending more times in the workshop rather than playing it made me quit eventually.
I still wonder why ea games doesn’t do anything to rebuild simcity and bring a fresh start 🤦♂️
Can you imagine if the remastered this game, making the maps gigantic, updating the buildings, and graphics. And running all on the unreal engine!!🔥🔥
you can change the files pretty easily. then you can have realy big regions. the graphics are still great, since you never zoom in that much. only the engine limits at some point while moving and thats realy anoying, thats true. thats why i didnt moved my screen while i do the world records, for better performance ;-)
36:53 ah thanks for keeping the nostalgia alive! I play with quite a lot of mods (nam, irm, spam, and different terrain textures like sudden valley terrain and the arden tree controller which make the game prettier, see my vids to see)
My favorite city simulator is simcity 2. But objectively, if I had to pick the best city simulator ever, I would probably pick SC4. Cities Skylines is OK, helped significantly by mods, but it is a poor simulator. The hordes of DLC are basically Tycoon games lite, not simulators, and CS is pretty boring and lacks character.
Seriously though, I’ve played that shitty game for about two years and then thank god there was at least anno 1404, then 1800.
Cities skylines is the worst city simulator, it’s not actually a simulator it’s a building game with some annoying traffic ai, ridiculous RCI formula, childish/weird looking assets, terrible color corrections, annoying sound effects, ambient sound, music… oh gosh everything related to that game is a bullshit🤦♂️ city building genre became an orphan when ea games decided to kill simcity😞
and the sc4 advisors are actually helpful instead of cities skylines rip-off twitter where they send constant annoying messages with too many hashtags
San Francisco in the 2000s had Barry Bonds that skatepark would have been getting hailed on.
I've been searching for a video like this! Music was a lot louder than your mic but you probably know that. Still watchable so ty
THIS IS THE GREATEST GAME OF ALL TIME!!!
Having played Simcity since the DOS game, I actually think Simcity 3000 was better than Simcity 4.
omg Sim City 4 is 20 years old. This hits me hard.
It looks good. I personally think and yes this is probably heavily impacted by nostalgia that Sim City 2000 is still my favorite in the series, and probably that its 3000 but SimCity 4 definitely looks good, and its awesome that its still got an active modding community
Simulations have always been my thing, and Sim City has always been close to the top of my list of favorites. The SC series and Roller Coaster Tycoon series were next level back in their days. And now i'm off to another sim that's gone next level, MS Flight Simulator 2020.
I spent years playing this, one of the greatest games I ever played
20%: Simcity
80%: Talking about Cities Skylines
those epic bgm brings back all my childhood memories. thanks for sharing!
In my childhood video games were used as a way to make adults think kids were being indoctrinated into becoming violent sociopaths.
When in reality, "well we're just gonna do a mixed density zoning here."
i played this for a computer class in high school and documented my citys progress for credit. Awesome memories and surprisingly educational