Link to the article by Prof. Henrik Williams et al. in the journal Futhark , with accompanying addenda that weren't published in the print journal: futhark-journal.com/rok/
When I was younger I used to study in Jönköping. After the spring-break was over, and it was time to get back to school, I asked my father, who was driving me if we could take a detour to the Rökstone, as it was just a few miles off course. It was basically the "scenic" route, and knowing there was a rest-stop there as well, we decided to make an afternoon of it. I can only agree with Henrik W. here. If you do have the chance to go see it, do it. It's worth the trouble. It is magnificent. And there are some good sandwiches there.
9:55 Professor Williams makes a very valid point that every summer brings the threat of climate change. Too much rain, too little rain, too much sun, too little sun, storms, winds etc etc can have a devastating effect on the crops. Reduced crop yield or no crop = starvation. The USA is big enough to ride out the frequent droughts and excessive rain areas, so the average urban dweller has no idea how the climate every year is a razor's edge from catastrophe. If you are not involved in farming you don't give much attention to the weather, but farmers think about it every day. Its a LOT harder to convince farmers of some babbling about climate change, especially with thousands of years of evidence it changes all the time. In a rather small country like Sweden (and Norway) there is little good land available for farming. So just a small area of bad weather results in disaster for the population.
Great product. I feel like this is what RUclips was made for. I think this also proves another point, in which so much has been lost to time, we still have a lot to learn and discover
This kinda makes me laugh. Like it’s good and I enjoy it, but also: “Men who study runes baffled as to why a person would steal letters from an old alphabet and use them incorrectly for aesthetic purposes”. Man, humans are just Like That.
The use of cryptographic schemes is always intended to limit reading to those able to decrypt the message. This presupposes that there are those who the writers wish to transmit the contents to and those who they wish to hide it from, in turn this implies a society in which it's not too hard to find someone literate. Amongst the family of the person had the Rök stone erected the message must have been understood and that knowledge likely handed down a few generations. It's likely that the knowledge would have slowly permeated the wider community. The people that the message would have been hidden from are strangers, to me this seems just those from whom the writer would have wanted to keep the contents. Additionally I find the link to Anglo-Saxon riddles exciting. These cultural links are under reasearched and full of assumptions.
No way, I just bought the Wanderer’s Havamal from amazon and received it in the mail today. And your intro shows signed copies of that book at the boulder book store.
I have seen the stone in real life. I tried to read some of it, but couldn't get sense of much. Of course, I'm an amateur, and can't expect to just read an inscription that has defeated experts for decades. But it was fun to see it. It's an impressive stone.
For anyone interested, Professor Williams talks about the subject in this video on BBC Global News. www.bbc.com/reel/video/p08676tt/the-ancient-viking-runestone-revealing-a-modern-fear?
Sorry this isnt related to tge video but the internet has no aparent answer to what would seem is a basic question and dr.crawford being my favorite expert on this what is the differnce between proto-gernanic and proto-indoeuropean?
I’m no expert but proto-Germanic is a descendant of Proto-Indo-European. In the history of the development of language, it’s between Proto-Indo-European and modern Germanic languages like English, German, Norwegian, Danish, and Dutch-just like Proto-Celtic is the ancestor of all Celtic languages, representing a midway point between PIE and modern Welsh, Irish and Scottish Gaelic, and Manx. I’m very fuzzy as to just what the timeline is and I don’t imagine these proto-languages are smack dab in the middle between PIE and modern languages but we’re talking about very distant pre-history, millennia before any written record, so much of it is guesswork.
Great content! One thing though: since the sound quality of these otherwise great interviews is pretty bad, would you and your participants consider to speak a bit slow and clear? I believe that would help in following what you are saying. Especially for us who don't speak English natively. I realize of course the difficulty to hold back when you are talking about your favorite subjects... :D
At 6:27 min Henrik talks about "nine generations ago". The word on the Rökstone is "aldom", not generations. And Snorri Sturlason explains that " öld eru atta tigir" (an ald is 80 years). So this is a big problem for this interpretation and of course for the Teoderic one. The stone points to a time close to the death of Christ (for the man who died "ub sakar" meaning; after being convicted), as earlier scholars have noticed. And if thats right maybe "two bounties" (valraubaR) taken twelve times, both at the same time, man after man simply refers to the last supper. Thats the easy explanation. But it always have to be complicated, right? And yes, there were many christians in Götaland in the ninth century. We know that now (Varnhem, for example). Remember; the Rökstone is from the time of Charlemagne and his new christian Europe. Aft Vá modt stanta runaR daR. What`s "vá modt"? You know the answer, Jackson! Vámodt is not a name. It´s a meeting in a sanctuary, right? Look at the rune inscription Ög N288, Oklunda (also from the ninth century, also from Östergötland). Same thing.
Dr. Williams actually did have a response to this comment, but had some issues logging in through Google, so I've put his unedited response below for anyone interested: I tried to respond to the comment by FORMAT MOTALA, but my Google sign-in doesn't work. I would have liked to say that the word aldum (dat. pl. fem. of öld) means 'age' with no particular restriction and can be anything from a point in time to eternity. Snorri's use is arbitrary as the word is chosen primarily for the alliteration (he also say that fólk eru fjórir tigir 'a folk is forty'). But s/he is right in that 'generations of app. 30 years' is just one possibility.
Link to the article by Prof. Henrik Williams et al. in the journal Futhark , with accompanying addenda that weren't published in the print journal: futhark-journal.com/rok/
When I was younger I used to study in Jönköping. After the spring-break was over, and it was time to get back to school, I asked my father, who was driving me if we could take a detour to the Rökstone, as it was just a few miles off course. It was basically the "scenic" route, and knowing there was a rest-stop there as well, we decided to make an afternoon of it.
I can only agree with Henrik W. here. If you do have the chance to go see it, do it. It's worth the trouble. It is magnificent.
And there are some good sandwiches there.
This was really cool, and a good examplem of how continuous research on a topic can unearth new knowledge. ty both
9:55 Professor Williams makes a very valid point that every summer brings the threat of climate change. Too much rain, too little rain, too much sun, too little sun, storms, winds etc etc can have a devastating effect on the crops. Reduced crop yield or no crop = starvation.
The USA is big enough to ride out the frequent droughts and excessive rain areas, so the average urban dweller has no idea how the climate every year is a razor's edge from catastrophe. If you are not involved in farming you don't give much attention to the weather, but farmers think about it every day. Its a LOT harder to convince farmers of some babbling about climate change, especially with thousands of years of evidence it changes all the time.
In a rather small country like Sweden (and Norway) there is little good land available for farming. So just a small area of bad weather results in disaster for the population.
I can't believe this comes out 2 days (!!) after I had to submit my essay on the Rok stone :( Could've helped me so much. Great video, thank you!!
Great product. I feel like this is what RUclips was made for. I think this also proves another point, in which so much has been lost to time, we still have a lot to learn and discover
Interesting, thanks for having Henrik W. on your channel.
Thanks for a great conversation.
I think I already did the Rök n' Röll-joke last week.
This was awesome. Thank you!
Great talk!
Thank you
Your vidoes have been really good recently😎
This kinda makes me laugh. Like it’s good and I enjoy it, but also: “Men who study runes baffled as to why a person would steal letters from an old alphabet and use them incorrectly for aesthetic purposes”. Man, humans are just Like That.
Thanks for this!
Great man.
The use of cryptographic schemes is always intended to limit reading to those able to decrypt the message. This presupposes that there are those who the writers wish to transmit the contents to and those who they wish to hide it from, in turn this implies a society in which it's not too hard to find someone literate.
Amongst the family of the person had the Rök stone erected the message must have been understood and that knowledge likely handed down a few generations. It's likely that the knowledge would have slowly permeated the wider community. The people that the message would have been hidden from are strangers, to me this seems just those from whom the writer would have wanted to keep the contents.
Additionally I find the link to Anglo-Saxon riddles exciting. These cultural links are under reasearched and full of assumptions.
Great content, doc.
Could you please consider to make a video about riddles in nordic sagas and mythology?
He does have this one: ruclips.net/video/12QphlegBfQ/видео.html
No way, I just bought the Wanderer’s Havamal from amazon and received it in the mail today. And your intro shows signed copies of that book at the boulder book store.
I have seen the stone in real life. I tried to read some of it, but couldn't get sense of much. Of course, I'm an amateur, and can't expect to just read an inscription that has defeated experts for decades.
But it was fun to see it. It's an impressive stone.
comets come, volcano's go. first there's summer, then there's snow. good luck. have fun
For anyone interested, Professor Williams talks about the subject in this video on BBC Global News. www.bbc.com/reel/video/p08676tt/the-ancient-viking-runestone-revealing-a-modern-fear?
Hi Dr. Crawford. Love your videos as always. Have you heard of the runestone found in Heavener, Oklahoma? If so, what do you make of its authenticity?
Sorry this isnt related to tge video but the internet has no aparent answer to what would seem is a basic question and dr.crawford being my favorite expert on this
what is the differnce between proto-gernanic and proto-indoeuropean?
Tristen Bitner the Wikipedia article on proto-germanic gives a list of sound changes, look there.
@@rubbedibubb5017 bet thank you
I’m no expert but proto-Germanic is a descendant of Proto-Indo-European. In the history of the development of language, it’s between Proto-Indo-European and modern Germanic languages like English, German, Norwegian, Danish, and Dutch-just like Proto-Celtic is the ancestor of all Celtic languages, representing a midway point between PIE and modern Welsh, Irish and Scottish Gaelic, and Manx. I’m very fuzzy as to just what the timeline is and I don’t imagine these proto-languages are smack dab in the middle between PIE and modern languages but we’re talking about very distant pre-history, millennia before any written record, so much of it is guesswork.
Great to finally get my head wrapped around that runestone. This interpretation makes total sense, and it's actually quite a touching epitaph.
Have any other rune stones been found that were buried face down? Referring to the Eggja stone.
Does the "zote" flipping polarization mean anything
Great content! One thing though: since the sound quality of these otherwise great interviews is pretty bad, would you and your participants consider to speak a bit slow and clear? I believe that would help in following what you are saying. Especially for us who don't speak English natively. I realize of course the difficulty to hold back when you are talking about your favorite subjects... :D
bringing the microphone closer would help greatly as well.
I do know with no certainty
The media being untruthful?... Say it ain't so. ;)
People just don't understand how close the margins were, and still are.
Modern civilization
At 6:27 min Henrik talks about "nine generations ago". The word on the Rökstone is "aldom", not generations. And Snorri Sturlason explains that " öld eru atta tigir" (an ald is 80 years). So this is a big problem for this interpretation and of course for the Teoderic one. The stone points to a time close to the death of Christ (for the man who died "ub sakar" meaning; after being convicted), as earlier scholars have noticed. And if thats right maybe "two bounties" (valraubaR) taken twelve times, both at the same time, man after man simply refers to the last supper. Thats the easy explanation. But it always have to be complicated, right? And yes, there were many christians in Götaland in the ninth century. We know that now (Varnhem, for example). Remember; the Rökstone is from the time of Charlemagne and his new christian Europe.
Aft Vá modt stanta runaR daR. What`s "vá modt"? You know the answer, Jackson! Vámodt is not a name. It´s a meeting in a sanctuary, right? Look at the rune inscription Ög N288, Oklunda (also from the ninth century, also from Östergötland). Same thing.
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Dr. Williams actually did have a response to this comment, but had some issues logging in through Google, so I've put his unedited response below for anyone interested:
I tried to respond to the comment by FORMAT MOTALA, but my Google sign-in doesn't work. I would have liked to say that the word aldum (dat. pl. fem. of öld) means 'age' with no particular restriction and can be anything from a point in time to eternity. Snorri's use is arbitrary as the word is chosen primarily for the alliteration (he also say that fólk eru fjórir tigir 'a folk is forty'). But s/he is right in that 'generations of app. 30 years' is just one possibility.
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