watching this in 2023 is so strange. So much has changed since then. Viewing AOE2 without DE, without captureage with sloppy dark age etc etc. But still, with Viper and Daut (and even a Daut-Castle!) Loving it!
This is the kind of thing that made me such a fan of Daut. He's always coming up with these unexpected, meta-breaking strategies and unit choices and executing them so nicely.
I've been out of the AoE scene for awhile and.. what the heck? - ZeroEmpires is back casting - Pros playing AoE HD - Viper vs. Daut on a final... well I guess not everything has changed.
Man, for that lumbercamp he wasn't looking for efficiency, he was looking a for a ''breaking the meta'' design. Decoration and marketing is the key for winning.
I guess im randomly asking but does someone know of a tool to log back into an Instagram account?? I was stupid forgot my account password. I would love any tips you can offer me!
@Roberto Legend Thanks for your reply. I got to the site thru google and Im trying it out atm. Takes a while so I will reply here later with my results.
normally I like those "deep" lumbercamps a lot because even after chopping a bunch of trees they are still very efficient as there is so many trees close to them. This lumbercamp, however .... let's just say, it was a tad TOO "deep" 11111
Darko Dautovic, still playing Age2x! Ha! Hey man been about 15 years since I played with you. Good to see your Serbian winning ways are still working. Its crazy, this quarantine I've been on has me on a nostalgia run. Hope all is well!
Daut will always be a great, brilliant and genius player of all time...he is crazy brilliant with fundamental ideas normally no one think of...there is a reason Daut has crazy fan base even though he is not very talkative and he does crazy stuffs every now and then.
Indians are really shining out in this tournament. I feel it's the one of the best choice of civ for a well-rounded player with a universal style, which one can surely say that Viper and DauT both are.
2:14 look at the bad placement of the wood, notice an idle villagers from 2:14 for viper and It going to get worse when more villagers are going to be send to collect wood, notice at 3:05 there is still one idle villager, 3:27 still the case :o
17:03 Palisade gates have 2 pierce armor, 2 normal armor, while most buildings, including houses, have 0 normal, 7 pierce armor and gain +1/+1 per age. So palisade gates do better than houses vs militia, but worse vs crossbowmen. "Building armor" is a separate armor class and isn't just the amount of armor that buildings have. Most buildings have 0 building armor; castles and stone walls/gates are the only exceptions.
The boar was at ~70 food. You get more total food by reducing decay amount (boar decay slightly faster, so not just decay time) and the shepherds killed another turkey before the boar finished. If it a good move by the player, it was because they didn't trust themselves to retask the villagers as soon as they finished the boar.
zak i'm pretty sure it's just fine to take the sheep instead of the boar. there is a video by spiritofthelaw explaining why it increases the food income overall. (if you need food ASAP to click up to feudal then you would be correct, but that was not the case here!)
pro tip, if the series is only two parts that gives away that somebody won both, you could upload a thirty minute part 3 just to throw people off so it doesn't give it away, just have it be a thumbnail or something
I believe he is talking about the previous series, where viper 2-0'd slam, and since there is only 2 videos, watching who wins the first one kinda spoils it :/ This is the eternal struggle when you have to watch the replays instead of watching it live
But the problem with that is, if they upload 3, you already know that whoever lost the first game, won the second, otherwise that round would be over, ya know? It wouldn't make that much of a difference.
The Onderonian your wrong and not getting it the third upload is a blank meaning that the game was won 2-0 and the third upload is so that you don't know who won. your saying it as if it went to game 3. this only went to 2 games but if you put the max playable games uploaded then it maintains the mystery.
Technically, you will end up with more food taking the turkey first, when both the turkey and the boar are rotting under the TC... However, the food does come in much slower, and for the extra 5-10 food gained, generally it's not worth it.
They didn't harvest the turkey first. The boar was at ~70 food remaining, so they probably had most or all villagers on boar, then switched to turkey a little too early.
Finishing the turkey first will make one carcass quickly go away, so you have one instead of two things rotting at the time. This saves food in the long run, but is slower in the short run. Both are valid strategies imo.
DauT didn't finish the turkey, he started harvesting a turkey while boar still had 110 food left. It was just a standard pattern, you force drop boar hunters and go up to feudal.
Zero, can you start showing the drafts as well before the game begins? I think its a really interesting part of the game and would like to see the picks and bans.
Not even then, as long as you haven't started building it the enemy can't damage or destroy it. The only thing that can happen is that you build something in that space before them but that only cancels the other player's building and returns his ressources.
Well you go for fastest food, not most efficient.....most games are quick games and you want every quick advantage you can get.....you don't really worry about efficiency unless you know for a fact the game is going real long.
@@SilentHotdog28 sheep first gets you the food 3 seconds slower, but you end up with 20 more food overall. It's because you can finish the sheep quicker and lose less to decay, so you only have the boar decaying instead of the sheep + boar decaying. Sheep first is always better, it's just annoying because you have to retask the villagers after so they dont go kill another sheep.
I like his lumber camp placement. Of course, his villager has been idle for at least 2 minutes there, but if he had had an eye on him, this is by far the most efficient placement you can get!
Whaaaaatttt!!!!!!!!. Bro AOE is life man, love this game. My favorite strategy game ever. AOE, EE, and Rise of Nations are the best games to release.😩😃😄😁☝️👌
What did he do cav archers for? I saw no point. He could have won that with just arb and e skirms alone. Maybe he wanted to use them to raid while his footsloggers held the front
The reason someone said the turkey was correct to gather from is because it is more efficient to have fewer animals rotting at the same time, so it is better to finish whichever has less food. But in this case the javelina have only 70 food left and it is gathered faster than the turkey, so yes, the javelina would have been most efficient.
These pros always drive me crazy... they always gg right when it's getting good lol. I get that they know the game is lost but man, if I was that good, I'd wanna play to the bitter end! lol
i love you guys! "I wanted to say this but we talked about so much; turkeys and boars and which one is better" -T90 you're an amzing commentator and smart (for an American ;) haha and Zak sounding typically smug English first time Ive ever heard "I don't know hoow you could possibly think thats the case" hah. Sorry don't mean to add more sterotypey bigotry into the world NOT what is needed but just thought it was funny. P.s you guys rock thank you so much!!
hello guys i am new in this game , i couldnt find your support email so i ll ask here , yesterday i bought the aoe 2 hd in steam and when i start play i see its kinda different from when i watch it on streams , there are alot of maps missing and also some civilizations like when i watch a stream i see ethiopians indians malay ect but i dont have those in my game why is that ? pleas answer me or give me support email , thanks
probably you bought the basics without the dlcs or the expansion packs. Search it on steam, its there. For the HD edition, it shouldnt be costly at all now that definitive is out.
It is better to take the turkey in that situation (if the turkey was started first) as the turkey has less food - will be used up faster - won't rot for as long
Put all your villagers on sheep and leave one on the boar, gets you the most food! ruclips.net/video/N-10piMe8g8/видео.html - Around the 7:50 time frame
Disappointed that we didn't see elephant archers! They make excellent tanks even when not elite, since the elite upgrade doesn't give them extra armor. A cavalry archer with +2 armor can take 10 hits from an arbalest; an elephant archer, which costs just 80 more resources, can take 60 hits. If you get +6 armor from ring archer armor and Parthian tactics, then the heavy cavalry can take 20 hits while the non-elite elephant archer can now take 300. In comparison, battle elephants with +2 armor can take 39 hits from a heavy cav archer.
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watching this in 2023 is so strange. So much has changed since then. Viewing AOE2 without DE, without captureage with sloppy dark age etc etc.
But still, with Viper and Daut (and even a Daut-Castle!)
Loving it!
This is the kind of thing that made me such a fan of Daut. He's always coming up with these unexpected, meta-breaking strategies and unit choices and executing them so nicely.
nessesaryschoolthing but he plays normally, and reveals his strength in the championships.
I've been out of the AoE scene for awhile and.. what the heck?
- ZeroEmpires is back casting
- Pros playing AoE HD
- Viper vs. Daut on a final... well I guess not everything has changed.
Man, for that lumbercamp he wasn't looking for efficiency, he was looking a for a ''breaking the meta'' design. Decoration and marketing is the key for winning.
I guess im randomly asking but does someone know of a tool to log back into an Instagram account??
I was stupid forgot my account password. I would love any tips you can offer me!
@Bo Jacob Instablaster ;)
@Roberto Legend Thanks for your reply. I got to the site thru google and Im trying it out atm.
Takes a while so I will reply here later with my results.
@Roberto Legend It did the trick and I actually got access to my account again. I am so happy:D
Thanks so much you really help me out :D
@Bo Jacob happy to help :)
Daut's cav archers was a "M Night Shyamalan"-level twist!
Ritwik Banerjee a true Bollywood style twist :D
Give Viper a break with that Lumbercamp... Hes #clearly new
Chris Zegarra viper clearly skipped the learning campaign
wrg,idts
the lumbercamp was really nice, just dont have to many villigars on it at the beginning and it will be the best 100 wood he spent that game
#clearly
normally I like those "deep" lumbercamps a lot because even after chopping a bunch of trees they are still very efficient as there is so many trees close to them. This lumbercamp, however .... let's just say, it was a tad TOO "deep" 11111
Grand final - The Viper's "oh no" edition
Darko Dautovic, still playing Age2x! Ha! Hey man been about 15 years since I played with you. Good to see your Serbian winning ways are still working. Its crazy, this quarantine I've been on has me on a nostalgia run. Hope all is well!
this was 6 years ago but man what a fight this game is a masterpiece
Daut will always be a great, brilliant and genius player of all time...he is crazy brilliant with fundamental ideas normally no one think of...there is a reason Daut has crazy fan base even though he is not very talkative and he does crazy stuffs every now and then.
WOW, what patience with the heavy cav archer! brilliant move
Indians are really shining out in this tournament. I feel it's the one of the best choice of civ for a well-rounded player with a universal style, which one can surely say that Viper and DauT both are.
India has got pros in aoe scene? player names?
@@riseabovehate9476 by Indians, I meant Indian civilization.
@@mohitk278 lol
2:14 look at the bad placement of the wood, notice an idle villagers from 2:14 for viper and It going to get worse when more villagers are going to be send to collect wood, notice at 3:05 there is still one idle villager, 3:27 still the case :o
This was the first t90 video I ever watched 3 years ago :)
17:03 Palisade gates have 2 pierce armor, 2 normal armor, while most buildings, including houses, have 0 normal, 7 pierce armor and gain +1/+1 per age. So palisade gates do better than houses vs militia, but worse vs crossbowmen.
"Building armor" is a separate armor class and isn't just the amount of armor that buildings have. Most buildings have 0 building armor; castles and stone walls/gates are the only exceptions.
Spirit of the Law made a video showing that you actually get more food by finishing your sheep/Turkey first, so that was the right play.
The boar was at ~70 food. You get more total food by reducing decay amount (boar decay slightly faster, so not just decay time) and the shepherds killed another turkey before the boar finished. If it a good move by the player, it was because they didn't trust themselves to retask the villagers as soon as they finished the boar.
Viper vs Daut, Viper vs Daut, everybody wants to see this happen!
Star vs Jerma?
Yep
zak i'm pretty sure it's just fine to take the sheep instead of the boar. there is a video by spiritofthelaw explaining why it increases the food income overall. (if you need food ASAP to click up to feudal then you would be correct, but that was not the case here!)
19:05 -wtf was that kamikadze action?
Thank you, gentlemen!! Awesome!!
pro tip, if the series is only two parts that gives away that somebody won both, you could upload a thirty minute part 3 just to throw people off so it doesn't give it away, just have it be a thumbnail or something
Nathan Hawthorne smart idea!!
Nathan Hawthorne its bo5 so after 2 wins nothing is decided yet
I believe he is talking about the previous series, where viper 2-0'd slam, and since there is only 2 videos, watching who wins the first one kinda spoils it :/ This is the eternal struggle when you have to watch the replays instead of watching it live
But the problem with that is, if they upload 3, you already know that whoever lost the first game, won the second, otherwise that round would be over, ya know? It wouldn't make that much of a difference.
The Onderonian your wrong and not getting it the third upload is a blank meaning that the game was won 2-0 and the third upload is so that you don't know who won. your saying it as if it went to game 3. this only went to 2 games but if you put the max playable games uploaded then it maintains the mystery.
The fact that the relics are there lying on the ground is drivin me crazy.
Mee tooo
Technically, you will end up with more food taking the turkey first, when both the turkey and the boar are rotting under the TC... However, the food does come in much slower, and for the extra 5-10 food gained, generally it's not worth it.
Galley Raid Jepsen why?
They didn't harvest the turkey first. The boar was at ~70 food remaining, so they probably had most or all villagers on boar, then switched to turkey a little too early.
that's an interesting perspective. i was hoping someone had commented on the 07:00 remark about that.
Finishing the turkey first will make one carcass quickly go away, so you have one instead of two things rotting at the time. This saves food in the long run, but is slower in the short run. Both are valid strategies imo.
DauT didn't finish the turkey, he started harvesting a turkey while boar still had 110 food left. It was just a standard pattern, you force drop boar hunters and go up to feudal.
Don't know much about AoEII but i'm pretty interested in those games, are the map randomly generated?
Kyonne25 yes
Where is the game 2 of the grand final?
what a game what a fight!
Speaking of battle of angkor, would we ever be able to see those final games?
Zero, can you start showing the drafts as well before the game begins? I think its a really interesting part of the game and would like to see the picks and bans.
Why didn't Viper at 8:00 attack the 1hp building with his scout so daut loses all the ressources for the building?
You can't see or attack the fondation of an enemy building until a villager has started building it.
Unless there's a mangonel attacking a villager standing ontop of the foundation, I guess...
except farms
Not even then, as long as you haven't started building it the enemy can't damage or destroy it. The only thing that can happen is that you build something in that space before them but that only cancels the other player's building and returns his ressources.
so, was it a Daut castle or not?
Fantastic! When do you plan to post Game2 and Game3? THANKS!
Amazing game and micro by two amazing players!
Beautiful Video! But why no metrics on the bottom of the screen?
wonder where i would be if i continued to play this since 99
when is the game consider finished??
i think spirit of the law made a video about taking the sheep first rather than the boar
Is there any thing he didnt made a vid about ;)
If you finish the deer first you will overall collect more food. Although it may be slower
Well you go for fastest food, not most efficient.....most games are quick games and you want every quick advantage you can get.....you don't really worry about efficiency unless you know for a fact the game is going real long.
That's bullshit, the games aren't that short that they don't even finish the boars!
@@SilentHotdog28 sheep first gets you the food 3 seconds slower, but you end up with 20 more food overall. It's because you can finish the sheep quicker and lose less to decay, so you only have the boar decaying instead of the sheep + boar decaying. Sheep first is always better, it's just annoying because you have to retask the villagers after so they dont go kill another sheep.
what are standard tournament settings?
i dont understand the comment at the end: "9999 viable thumb. fire. fire. viable thumb" can somebody explain?
biblethump, is a twitch emote
I like his lumber camp placement. Of course, his villager has been idle for at least 2 minutes there, but if he had had an eye on him, this is by far the most efficient placement you can get!
How come they dont use any priests to pick up relics and heal the armies?
Nazrahnas I noticed that too.
They don't use monks as doctors nor TCs or Castles as hospitals and it's a mystery.
It's 1v1, so there's a clear front.
Where is the rest of the game???
Where are the other games? :(
which age od empires is this? plz help
great casting ,great games ,great tournament ! i wish i could cast game like they do ,gg!!!
which map is this ?
so... when will g2 be uploaded?
how to get that flat maps?
The majority of this game appeared to be played in Daut's town, so how did Viper not have the economy to recover?
Whaaaaatttt!!!!!!!!. Bro AOE is life man, love this game. My favorite strategy game ever. AOE, EE, and Rise of Nations are the best games to release.😩😃😄😁☝️👌
Still play it
Lol I would have liked to hear Viper's reaction to the DauT army reveal. "Vvaaaatt?!"
Awesome game, good to see the cav archers
Awesome game!, I need to watch the others game, please zero! 11
The other games are avaiable in EscapeAoE's channel in Twitch ;D
What did he do cav archers for? I saw no point. He could have won that with just arb and e skirms alone. Maybe he wanted to use them to raid while his footsloggers held the front
DauT is always playing 5 steps ahead of his opponent. Thats what makes him DauT.
What a game of AOE man, awesome.
The reason someone said the turkey was correct to gather from is because it is more efficient to have fewer animals rotting at the same time, so it is better to finish whichever has less food. But in this case the javelina have only 70 food left and it is gathered faster than the turkey, so yes, the javelina would have been most efficient.
Boar*, javelina travel in packs.
When a bad lumber-camp placement adds up to imperial
This game should be called throwing your gold in 1vs1
great game. Digging this map too
RUclips in 2023: "do you want a history lesson?"
These pros always drive me crazy... they always gg right when it's getting good lol. I get that they know the game is lost but man, if I was that good, I'd wanna play to the bitter end! lol
No, if you were that good, you would know it's over.
I agree! I always fight till the last man standing
that's actually pretty stupid. you just steal the time of the other player.
waste of time what could viper do anymore Daut just steamrolls everything after that :)
frankly when your army is done, you're done. unless you have backup units then fight to the death by all means
love ur channel
i love you guys! "I wanted to say this but we talked about so much; turkeys and boars and which one is better" -T90 you're an amzing commentator and smart (for an American ;) haha and Zak sounding typically smug English first time Ive ever heard "I don't know hoow you could possibly think thats the case" hah. Sorry don't mean to add more sterotypey bigotry into the world NOT what is needed but just thought it was funny. P.s you guys rock thank you so much!!
what the fuck are you talking about?
what a MASTAPIECE from DauT
this is what happens when u play like a machine and your opponent knows 90% of the time u will play like a machine generated code. viper got owned
Guys it's just me or i saw this map before? The exactly same set-up.
nvm i saw it live XD i am so smart.
Daut can play like the number 1. but he plays normally, and reveals his strength in the championships.
hello guys i am new in this game , i couldnt find your support email so i ll ask here , yesterday i bought the aoe 2 hd in steam and when i start play i see its kinda different from when i watch it on streams , there are alot of maps missing and also some civilizations like when i watch a stream i see ethiopians indians malay ect but i dont have those in my game why is that ? pleas answer me or give me support email , thanks
i would say that you probably do not have the dlcs then.
probably you bought the basics without the dlcs or the expansion packs. Search it on steam, its there. For the HD edition, it shouldnt be costly at all now that definitive is out.
That escalated pretty quickly..
Amazing
"Surprise! Battle Elephants!"
Nice fight at the end XD
It is better to take the turkey in that situation (if the turkey was started first) as the turkey has less food - will be used up faster - won't rot for as long
zeroempires ur my fav person ever
What game by Daut!! Diapered it all throughout :D
3 years later. With this map by daut he should not get to castle age tbh. Great game. Indians were way stronger than nowadays ^^
15:53
I want to get AOE2 bundle on steam, but without the summer savings it's $40!
I swear i didnt coppied his name
DauT save best for the end...
KOSOVOisSERBIA888 hahahaha tako je brate
Intense stuff.
Very fun match! I love the Indians civ.
HCA are so underrated!! :D
finally i saw a game when viper lost... lol
Thx for the spoiler, dude...
Nice !
Put all your villagers on sheep and leave one on the boar, gets you the most food!
ruclips.net/video/N-10piMe8g8/видео.html - Around the 7:50 time frame
Disappointed that we didn't see elephant archers! They make excellent tanks even when not elite, since the elite upgrade doesn't give them extra armor. A cavalry archer with +2 armor can take 10 hits from an arbalest; an elephant archer, which costs just 80 more resources, can take 60 hits. If you get +6 armor from ring archer armor and Parthian tactics, then the heavy cavalry can take 20 hits while the non-elite elephant archer can now take 300.
In comparison, battle elephants with +2 armor can take 39 hits from a heavy cav archer.
potato vision?
jooj komšija legendoooo :D
Zdravo drug, zelio bi igrat ovu igri jesil i ti igrac ? Zanima me par info
Viper is SICK!
Memory's...
shmee150???????
I had no DauT! 😉
no such thing as powerful unitx, no powerby unitx, no such thing as riskyx
nooooo
Yesssss
yaassss
I think t90 is always the host lol
Lmao the beautycamp. Who else but Viper
classic daut surprise
that such a déjà vu