It hammers in that "this is the end of the conversation" for BoJack ... he doesn't get feigned "you're fine, everything's fine" talk, he doesn't even get a straight rejection, he's just left hanging there, unknowing of whether there even *is* an answer to his question; and just as you're thinking "Okay, it's been a couple seconds, NOW something's gonna' come along and turn things around" you get a dumb fan making a stock exclamation and then credits; like "Nope. THAT'S IT." That is the end of BoJack's question: Silence.
i teared up a bit watching this part. We all want to be good people. You just never realize how far gone you are till you hear what someone you love thinks of you.
A man I've known for half a dozen years took 1.5yrs of reflection after a mishap in our tight friendship/spawning relationship. Here I am today, learning exactly what scene he watched that convinced him to better himself in hopes of regaining my love someday. And guess what? It worked, like, yesterday. 💝💝
+G4nst4Ch33se Diane: "That's the thing. I don't think I believe in deep down. I kind of think all you are is just the things that you do." Rules of BoJack Horseman morality: 1) Thoughts and feelings don't matter, only what you do. 2) You are responsible for what you do, regardless of influences. 3) It is always possible to do different things. (Alternate phrasing of the first two: "You are responsible only for what you do" and "Only you are responsible for what you do". Or maybe "responsible" doesn't work as well in the first? You could change it to "judged", but the whole point of the rephrasing is the symmetry... maybe "You are judged for what you do" and "You are responsible for what you do"?)
That's a little short sighted. Yes Diane's approach is a theory on what makes a good person but that doesn't mean she's right. Just because she doesn't believe in the concept of "deep down" doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I think your actions play a large part in whether or not you are a good person, but I don't think they wholly decide it. I think good people have done bad things and bad people have done good things.
he's a bad person, no question about it. the fact that we see his life in detail engenders a lot of sympathy for him but that doesn't make his actions any better.
I think this might be the darkest comedy on television. Like, not dark in the sense of "hur hur I made a rape joke," but in the sense of really getting to those places in the human soul that most entertainment does its best to avoid.
i like how the funniest parts are just irrelevant characters acting like the animals they are. the comedy then doesnt interfere so much with the dark story, but it still remains funny
I love and hate this show. I love it because it's brilliant, funny and full of amazing performances. I hate it because it made me realize that I have a lot in common with Bojack. I feel like I'm alone and I cling to people. But then every time I form a meaningful connection, I end up pushing that person away. In a way though, I guess I'm glad it helped me recognize flaws in myself acted at least come up with an attempt at self improvement
TheCPonder7 Recognizing your flaws and trying to improve yourself is more than Bojack had ever done. You have two things that would have turned Bojack's story quite differently if he had: Will and enough self-awareness.
+tricksterhuaun Bojack spent the better half of Season 2 trying everything he could to improve himself (jogging/living a healthy lifestyle, trying to form a stable relationship with Wanda, listening to all of those self help audio tapes) only to realize that all of those things can't change the fact that he was born broken and through no fault of his own had a fucked up childhood. He can manage his depression and work on stopping alll of the self loathing and self destructive behavior but nothing will ever intrinsically change him. But he did try. In fact the very last scene of the season is him not giving up and being reminded that "It gets easier but you gotta do it everyday.".
watching bojack horseman always makes me depressed, in a way that I see some sort of version of myself on the screen, yknow? He's definitely meant to be relatable, and the creators did a fantastic job with that.
_"I-I-I need you to tell me I'm a good person. I know that I can be selfish and narcissistic and self-destructive, but underneath all that, deep down I'm a good person, and I need you to tell me that I'm good."_ _"...tell me, please, that I'm good..."_ Silence is soul-crushing. Ignorance is not bliss. Rejection is painful. Forgiveness is all it takes to heal these wounds.
I feel the credits were important to all of season one in a way, just some less significant then the rest, but this was specifically the most significant.
They credits are often essential to many scenes in those show. The music cuts in at the perfect time nearly every episode, even when it doesn’t have a specific significance for that scene. But when it does, oh man it’s fucking genius.
_"Know what your problem is? You want to think of yourself as the good guy! But I know you better than anyone and I can tell you that you're not. In fact, you'd probably sleep a lot better at night if you just admit to yourself that you're a selfish goddamned coward who takes whatever he wants and doesn't give a shit about who he hurts! That's you! That's Bojack Horseman!"_ I think Herb's speech finally got through to Bojack and appropriately shook him up.
@@mackisepic3279 In particular, the most interesting characters are narcissistic to a degree, because under the toxicity and bravado, they're basically wounds.
I really love how Diane said "...What?" It's obvious that she totally understand BoJack's question but she is trying to get more time to properly answer this heart-breaking question (which she failed obviously too)
I love it because it parallels what he asked the Peanuts Diane from his acid trip. She said what he wanted to hear. But the real Diane can't lie to him.
I love how around 1:36 there’s faint sounds from the life he dreamt of, almost like that dream representing the desire of him to be good himself slowly slipping away with the silence of Diane’s lack of confirmation for his question It’s a little eerie but brilliant
BoJack is a character we would probably see as the bad guy if we weren't seeing things from his perspective. Whether you like him or despise him, you always understand him.
@ImaCowfreak Does someone have to hurt you for you to point out the truth? A ceiling can't think and it's not like you will find answers doing it. If you want to be a good person, you have to put in the effort to be one.
Whoever thought to put the sounds of Maine and Harper's laugh in the silence should win a fucking award for that. The last thing I expected from this show was to feel, much less to have those feels set to 11.
You know whats really sad in this scene is That through out the entire season Bojack has been trying to make people remember him and fails miserably, but now when Bojack is finally at his lowest and most vulnerable someone finally notices him.......='C
It was in episode 2 I believe (where he made an epidemic on a navy seal by "stealing" muffins he had "dibs" on) where it was made first known if I remember correctly, that everyone already recognized him... The dumbo blond he slept with, the navy seal saying he thought he was better because he was an actor, he was always known, but yea, remember why he chose to get the book written; he felt washed up, forgotten, and unliked, so he chose to write a book about his personal life for people to know "the real him" and like him, and take off for him. As it was "his last shot". Which is why he got mad at Dianne because it seemed crude and like he was a moron. Which comes to this scene asking for a kind of forgiveness and kind of panicking even though he kind of hit a pit of low and not caring.
@@fbfbnl he can still rebuild, jail isn’t forever and the world is full of billions of people. Even if all his previous friends hate him. It is never too late redemption is always possible. I actually saw the finale of bojack to be rather hopeful ngl, I feel like our horse finally might turn his life around.
Yeah, but as Todd says, feeling bad about it doesn't make it okay. Bojack wants to feel good about himself and be happy, yet the one thing standing in the way of it is himself. He's really self aware of his toxic traits and patterns, how it affects others, yet makes no effort to do anything about it.
Bojack Horseman had some standout moments before this but this one cemented it as one of the best shows on TV. Any other show would have had Diane give a long-winded speech telling him that he is a good person at heart and just has to work to change. Her response in the show? Silence. Redemption is never that easy.
This scene made me cry the hardest. It's such a harsh truth to realise you can be a bad person even if on the inside your thoughts and intentions are pure. And it's even harder to figure out how to be good after you've realised the truth.
This scene was the climax for the whole first season. But the difference between a jerk and a jerk with a heart of gold (as Diane implies) isn't something innate, it's in what you choose to do. So I don't think BoJack is stuck being like this, he just needs to keep his self loathing from preventing him from making better choices. That's my opinion anyway.
This scene and the part with Secretariat on TV made me love this series. Way deeper than it looked at first, I watched it all a second time to realize that they built every part that make the finale so memorable slowly during the whole season. It's a masterpiece.
My recent ex is an alcoholic. I told him many times he should watch Bojack Horseman. This scene comes to mind when i think about him. Man this show hit so hard. Im not an alcoholic, but Im in the AL anon/AA circuit. Living with and loving him was hard. Alcoholics carry so much guilt and shame. So amny unaddressed issues and emotions. You dont want to hate them. You dont want to say theyre bad people because theyre just always suffering, but you also cant say theyre good because they hurt so many people. He hurt me and now he thinks I just see this monster when I look at him, but thats not true. It is as complicated as this scene. I wish he'd watch and understand that.
+Courier Z kind of late on the BoJack train, hence the year later, but I agree with you. The hallucination with Harper truly blew my mind and made me feel warm inside seeing BoJack actually wholesome for once...letting my guard down was sincerely a mistake because this following scene had me feeling like my heart had been ripped out of my chest
Yeah, BoJack has a different continuity to shows like SpongeBob, Family Guy, and South Park. (Course, it should also be noted that they're all fictional characters that never actually did anything wrong, but yea...)
Well, I would make an exception for South Park because they can do serious if they want to. I mean take the episode where Stan sees everything as shit as an example.
uuugghhj i resonate with the desperate line "i need you to tell me im a good person" too much i NEED the validation and it makes my subconscious attention-seeking habits grow more and more
I love this scene so much, the slow zoom out makes you (or at least made me) expect it to cut to Diane in typical sitcom fashion to make the audience feel good and say “Bojack, no one is ever too far gone” until it just keeps going and you’re hit with the realness of it.
This scene broke my heart the first time I saw it. It still does. But the first time I actually had to pause, and reflect before moving to the next episode.
I'm kind of late on the BoJack train, but I just finished watching S1 last night and needless to say this scene had me feeling like my heart had been ripped out of my chest
Finally started watching it, I was watching this episode while cleaning and I had to stop mid-stoop to just stand there and cry for a minute when this came on
I-I guess my question is do you, do you think it’s to late for me I mean am I just doomed to be the person that I am? The person in that book? It’s not to late for me, it’s not to late for its- it’s not to late, I need you to tell me that it’s not to late, I-I need you to tell me that I’m a good person I know that I can be selfish, narcissistic, and self destructive, but underneath that deep down I’m a good person and I need you too tell me that I’m good tell me please tell me that I’m good.
Watching this in the first season I felt like Bojack was getting close to rock bottom... thing is, what I didn't expect was that this was the beginning of a huge downwards spiral, he was nowhere close in this scene.... and thinking about that makes me really sad...
Is Bojack a terrible person? Yeah very much. Is he trying to be a better person? No not really. Bojack is stuck in the camp of wanting to be good but does nothing to do good. And I agree with Diane that it doesn’t matter what you feel deep down. It’s what you do. And even though bad people can do good, all that matters is how much good you’ve done in life. A bad person is someone that can’t help but continue doing so much bad that it shrouds any sense of good. No matter how badly they want to be a decent person. I’ve known Bojacks and it’s very tragic. Seeing someone who desperately wants to be a normal human being but can’t help but do the shittiest things because that’s all they know…. This scene hurt me so much. Reminded me when I had a friend breakdown in the same way. That’s when I knew I had to let go or continue being hurt. I miss them every day but even on social media they’re the same person. This show is too deep. Hopefully one day they change. And I’m on season 1 of this show and hopefully Bojack changes.
One of the more underrated scenes I've ever seen. So many people can relate to this. We all make mistakes, do things we shouldn't have done and stray away from the person we actually are. For whoever is reading this- it's never too late. You are all good, and you can turn things around regardless of the mistakes you made. Whenever I want to be pissed at someone and hold something against them, I think of some of the worst mistakes I've made and remember how badly I wanted to be forgiven. It is never too late.
WOW. Why would you post this, this is the saddest thing ever. This show was advertised as a comedy but it very clearly is not. This episode killed me. Why am I crying over a cartoon horse.
Yeah, thats what I thought. I assumed it would be an outlandish surrealist comedy. I put it on because I felt like laughing. Thats not what I was doing.
In my opinion, this was the seed of the whole story. Since Horsin' Around' end, Diane became his first friend to talk and she wasn't able to amswer a simple "Yes" even if tt was a lie. So, a depressed person as Bojack fall down totally.
The last line before the credits sums up the premise of the show. It reflects Bojack's struggle to be seen as a good person, but, at the end of the day, he'll always be known as "that horse from Horsin' Around"
Kinda sad when you are watching this show and realize you're the "Bojack" or at least I think so. I wish I was cool all the time like Diane but wow, no. I'm like freaking Bojack way more often than I want to admit. :'/
I wouldn’t argue Diane is a perfect character at all. There’s a handful of moments in the show where she overreacts to situations and puts multiple people in danger as a result of it. Not that I don’t empathise or understand her, I absolutely love Diane. And I’d say her biggest flaws show up quite rarely, at least in the most extreme cases. But I wouldn’t really say she gets off the hook. Every character on this show has massive flaws.
i like that diane stood by what she wrote, bojack and her agreed abt warts and all and she did exactly that. obviously bojack is a wildly complicated person, but i think if she had softened the blows it wouldnt have been her anymore. it was kinda unfair of her to not even acknowledge where his hurt feelings came from, though.
At the moment I saw this scene I remember it lasting WAY longer, I don't know why I just felt for him, and my heart sank. When I didn't know what this show was about I thought it would be one of those old American comedy cartoons like family guy, or the Simpsons none the less I was gravely mistaking this has a lot of character development. Long story short, this is a MUST WATCH show is more than just a cartoon.
i think bojack is neither a bad person, nor a good person. he gave up happiness for a life of regret, hate, self destruction, and betrayal. He has one chance left though..
This scene is melancholic, however, I still laughed my ass off at the beginning before Bojack took the microphone, especially when one guy asked, 'What's your favourite ghost to write about', and Pinky Penguin's reaction to that question was hilarious.
This episode was the reason why I stayed for Bojack. I watched the show since it started and I didn’t quite figure it out until then. I always looked at it as an aspiring comedy. I watched it out of pure boredom. It took me about two weeks to finish the season because it wasn’t really important. But then I reached to this episode. I realized what this show is. I realized that it’s more human then any other tv show or movie that ever existed or will exist. This is the most important show for everyone to watch. Because this isn’t something to watch. This is what you need to watch. I journeyed through six seasons and finally came to a stop. I’m so proud and grateful I gave this beautiful show a chance
When I saw this scene, I just wanted to hug him and tell him that he is fine... :( ... well he always makes me want to hug him. I think thats because I relate to him way too much
Fun fact: the background lighting in the part where Bojack says 'I know I can be selfish and narcissistic' is brighter, but it immediately becomes darker when he says 'I need you to tell me I'm a good person' afterwards
dependent personality disorder; inability to cope with being truly alone. no sense of self worth, relying entirely on others (typically one specific person very special to patient) for comfort. this quote sums it up pretty well
coming back here after 6 seasons of this incredibly well crafted masterpiece of a show… bojack’s SEVERE mommy issues show in this clip, especially w the way he constantly seeks out women in his life for validation and comfort
ive been struggling with inner conflict and i opened up to my parents telling them that what i felt was that i had to leave who i am behind and go out and find myself, I've been pushed to go to university, i asked them "I can be succesful in other ways, can't I?" and out of nowhere they both just fell silent, then "no". i know that feel bojack
Marco King Two years too late, but hope you're doing well. I hope you got to do what you wanted to do, because although parents might want us to do what they believe is best, it's not always what's really best of us. It's okay to go your own way. Sending lots of love!
I think Bojack still has a chance to redeem himself. I don't think he's doomed to be "the person in that book" forever. He needs to use all this time he has on his hands to really sit with himself, psychoanalyze himself, and find out why he does some of the terrible things he does (see the episode: Zooeys and Zeldas). He can still become a better person, you can always become a better person. Some of the more drastic and terrible things he does are caused by some trauma or experience rooted in his past, whether it be from his child hood or his experience being thrust into stardom on Horsin' Around. For example he ruined Todd's rock opera for fear of Todd becoming a success and moving out due to his fear of abandonment and not wanting to be more alone than he is currently. The sooner he comes to terms with those traumas and experiences the better he can control feelings and urges rooted in them. You can't possible know how to fix something if you don't know what's broken. Becoming a better person really just means becoming more of a selfless and considerate person, but in order to do that he needs to come to terms with himself and resolve whatever guilt he has that causes him to self-sabotage and hate himself. That resolution of guilt has to come from him, not Herb at this point. He needs to pick himself up now because he's pushed so many people away that no ones is willing to help him. Once he better understands why he does some of the things he does, he can start to consciously make better choices in life. All he really wants is to be validated and to fill some of the void that his life choices have left in him. Taking steps toward becoming a better person and really getting to know the cold harsh reality of who he truly is in contrast to whom he'd like to be are the only ways he has a chance at becoming a better person. I really hope they deal a bit more with that in season 2. And I'm just now realizing it's 3 am and I just spent 20 minutes writing a paragraph on how a cartoon horse can improve himself goodnight.
This show is an incredible con. It's a deep character portrait about the struggles people go through and the scars those struggles leave along the way; and it gets away with it in a cartoon by looking absurd and having animal characters. Conning people into embracing humanity in all its flawed, noble failure is a very good thing.
I just started watching the show yesterday and finished season 1 in 6 hours, cuz I needed breaks between episodes. But omg, this is my favorite scene in the whole season. I had to come watch it here again and again cuz that’s how good it is
The longer you go into this show, the sadder this scene gets. Like this was obviously sad the first time, but especially after Season 2, hearing Harper laugh is a straight equation for tears
This scene was so sad oml, it really showed what the show would become and how dark it actually is, even as a viewer you can’t say if he is a good person or not, this show is so good i love it to death
Doesnt matter how you are on the inside. If you act like an asshole you're an asshole. No such thing as being a good person "deep down". If you're never good to others you're not a good person.
The thing is, Diane can't answer that question as to whether it's "too late" for Bojack or if he's truly a good person. That's something he has to decide for himself.
The search for validation cannot validate a person. Because sooner or later, that person will need the validation of someone else, and then someone else, and then someone else. It’s a constant cycle. The only meaningful validation for a person is the one they can give themselves; BoJack can’t do that. And his actions make it wrong for his friends to validate him.
I think the truly terrifying thing about this and what really makes it heart breaking is that so many of us, myself included, is that we can see ourselves in Bojack's position. We've made mistakes, we've been selfish and narcissistic and hurt and lied to the people that love us and care about us. And when you have the beliefs that Bojack has, that life is meaningless that all of it is pointless and nothing matters in the end, you have to face this question of "am I my past actions? Am I destined to be this bad, narcissistic, and selfish person or can I change?" That's why he's begging. He is having an existential crisis and is begging for someone to tell him that he doesn't have to be like that, he doesn't want to be his mistakes.
Bojack is on his way to becoming a better person; the closest we get to seeing a genuinely happy Bojack is after he does what he know is the right thing. It is not always clear what is the right thing, but as the show progresses Bojack thinks about more than just himself.
I've come to realise that we all are grey in life, we strive to do good and make mistakes and do bad things, the key is to not make mistakes and bad things a part your identity and learn from them to get as better as possible
Took me until like my fourth or fifth viewing of this scene to realize that Harper’s laugh plays before the conspiracy theorist stands up. I guess I was so caught up in the moment of Bojack’s speech (and my crying in its wake) to hear it my first few times. It adds a lot, because it means that not only does Bojack think he’s not a good person, the fact that it’s fading away feels like it means he thinks it’s too late for him. And the fact that he thinks it’s too late follows him until Season 6 when he goes to rehab. Maybe part of it is that he couldn’t wrap his head around the fact that he can choose to be better but just isnt, and he keeps making bad decisions because he thinks he should be doomed to be that person. To be held accountable. I dunno. I don’t think Bojack knows. But this scene gets me thinking, I guess. And I have to share this thinking somewhere because I don’t have the emotional capacity to not be heard but I don’t have the recognition from a sitcom in the 90s for my penguin friend to hire a ghost writer for me.
That question doesn't get old! It's like one of us staying in the place of bojack talking to one of ourselves or talking! -Leaving confused and hurt! 💔😢
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"I left the credits in because the song really makes the scene even more emotional."
Right decision, dude.
I'm still tryna figure out how it makes it more emotional, could I get an explanation my good man?
listen to the fucking lyrics.
+ The ''Boxer vs Raptor dudududu'' is really emotional
Limbo Studios yo no need to get rude here
It hammers in that "this is the end of the conversation" for BoJack ... he doesn't get feigned "you're fine, everything's fine" talk, he doesn't even get a straight rejection, he's just left hanging there, unknowing of whether there even *is* an answer to his question; and just as you're thinking "Okay, it's been a couple seconds, NOW something's gonna' come along and turn things around" you get a dumb fan making a stock exclamation and then credits; like "Nope. THAT'S IT." That is the end of BoJack's question: Silence.
“No matter how good you are, you're a villain in someone’s story.” - Unknown
or maybe no matter how bad you are, you’re a hero in someone’s story
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Why am I seeing this on like, 30 different videos?
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i teared up a bit watching this part. We all want to be good people. You just never realize how far gone you are till you hear what someone you love thinks of you.
Kevin Whitter Same. This pretty much sums up my thoughts regarding this scene.
A man I've known for half a dozen years took 1.5yrs of reflection after a mishap in our tight friendship/spawning relationship.
Here I am today, learning exactly what scene he watched that convinced him to better himself in hopes of regaining my love someday.
And guess what? It worked, like, yesterday. 💝💝
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So true.
Me too. I was in the metro. Im sure the tear would've fallen if I was home
The fact that even the viewer can't say with certainty whether or not Bojack is a good person is what makes this show so goddamn good
Spot on evaluation. And it's unambiguous. We ALL love and hate BoJack at the same time.
Like Heisenberg
+G4nst4Ch33se Diane: "That's the thing. I don't think I believe in deep down. I kind of think all you are is just the things that you do."
Rules of BoJack Horseman morality:
1) Thoughts and feelings don't matter, only what you do.
2) You are responsible for what you do, regardless of influences.
3) It is always possible to do different things.
(Alternate phrasing of the first two: "You are responsible only for what you do" and "Only you are responsible for what you do". Or maybe "responsible" doesn't work as well in the first? You could change it to "judged", but the whole point of the rephrasing is the symmetry... maybe "You are judged for what you do" and "You are responsible for what you do"?)
That's a little short sighted. Yes Diane's approach is a theory on what makes a good person but that doesn't mean she's right. Just because she doesn't believe in the concept of "deep down" doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I think your actions play a large part in whether or not you are a good person, but I don't think they wholly decide it. I think good people have done bad things and bad people have done good things.
he's a bad person, no question about it.
the fact that we see his life in detail engenders a lot of sympathy for him but that doesn't make his actions any better.
I think this might be the darkest comedy on television. Like, not dark in the sense of "hur hur I made a rape joke," but in the sense of really getting to those places in the human soul that most entertainment does its best to avoid.
Yeah, but also the end of Season 3 gets fucking dark ... it's always episode 11 that does it for me.
Ben101 it does still cover some heavy topics though
They got an entire episode about suicide in season six, this show goes where nobody dare. That’s why it is so important.
This show was full of animal puns and comedic relief but underneath it all, it's a pretty heavy show.
i like how the funniest parts are just irrelevant characters acting like the animals they are. the comedy then doesnt interfere so much with the dark story, but it still remains funny
this show is absolutely amazing
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Damn this was from 6 years ago. Holy shit it got heavier.
I wish I knew that before opening this show for some fun, now I cry myself every night to sleep.
I love and hate this show. I love it because it's brilliant, funny and full of amazing performances. I hate it because it made me realize that I have a lot in common with Bojack. I feel like I'm alone and I cling to people. But then every time I form a meaningful connection, I end up pushing that person away. In a way though, I guess I'm glad it helped me recognize flaws in myself acted at least come up with an attempt at self improvement
TheCPonder7 Recognizing your flaws and trying to improve yourself is more than Bojack had ever done.
You have two things that would have turned Bojack's story quite differently if he had: Will and enough self-awareness.
TheCPonder7 Word.
+tricksterhuaun Bojack spent the better half of Season 2 trying everything he could to improve himself (jogging/living a healthy lifestyle, trying to form a stable relationship with Wanda, listening to all of those self help audio tapes) only to realize that all of those things can't change the fact that he was born broken and through no fault of his own had a fucked up childhood. He can manage his depression and work on stopping alll of the self loathing and self destructive behavior but nothing will ever intrinsically change him. But he did try. In fact the very last scene of the season is him not giving up and being reminded that "It gets easier but you gotta do it everyday.".
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watching bojack horseman always makes me depressed, in a way that I see some sort of version of myself on the screen, yknow? He's definitely meant to be relatable, and the creators did a fantastic job with that.
_"I-I-I need you to tell me I'm a good person. I know that I can be selfish and narcissistic and self-destructive, but underneath all that, deep down I'm a good person, and I need you to tell me that I'm good."_
_"...tell me, please, that I'm good..."_
Silence is soul-crushing.
Ignorance is not bliss.
Rejection is painful.
Forgiveness is all it takes to heal these wounds.
"And I will never forgive you for that."
-Herb Kazzaz
Ignorance IS bliss....until you're made aware of it then you can never go back
HEY, AREN'T YOU THE HORSE FROM HORSIN' AROUND?
Nah bro IGNORANCE IS BLISS
The first time I heard that quote was in a lofi song
"I just hated reading that book because I hated feeling like that's how YOU saw me"
“I don’t actually care what the world thinks about me” 😞
Is it just me or are the credits essential to this scene.
+tmsplltrs They really are
I feel the credits were important to all of season one in a way, just some less significant then the rest, but this was specifically the most significant.
They are in pretty much every Bojack episode imo.
Its annoying netflix tries to make you skip them.
They credits are often essential to many scenes in those show. The music cuts in at the perfect time nearly every episode, even when it doesn’t have a specific significance for that scene. But when it does, oh man it’s fucking genius.
Everytime that scene. Everytime.
MforZorro | Movesets For real.
god, it never gets old. it feels like my heart has been ripped out of my chest every time
This scene was in one of xxxtentacions songs
DarkSoul Gaming which one
_"Know what your problem is? You want to think of yourself as the good guy! But I know you better than anyone and I can tell you that you're not. In fact, you'd probably sleep a lot better at night if you just admit to yourself that you're a selfish goddamned coward who takes whatever he wants and doesn't give a shit about who he hurts! That's you! That's Bojack Horseman!"_
I think Herb's speech finally got through to Bojack and appropriately shook him up.
It's eerily similar to Chuck's last speech to Jimmy in Better Call Saul.
Why are the best shows always about fucked-up people?
Unfortunately despite Bojack hearing that, it didn't stop him from going downhill and having more rock bottoms
@@marcusking8507because we all are bad people in our own ways.
@@marcusking8507because there’s not much interesting shit you can do with a character who’s already a good person.
@@mackisepic3279 In particular, the most interesting characters are narcissistic to a degree, because under the toxicity and bravado, they're basically wounds.
Someone really needs to make a supercut of all the times we hear a character say "hey, aren't you the horse from Horsin' Around?"
It should be a new drinking game or something lol
@@bardy8639 not if you're a horse.
jae bak that is very true
I really love how Diane said "...What?" It's obvious that she totally understand BoJack's question but she is trying to get more time to properly answer this heart-breaking question (which she failed obviously too)
I love it because it parallels what he asked the Peanuts Diane from his acid trip. She said what he wanted to hear. But the real Diane can't lie to him.
I love how around 1:36 there’s faint sounds from the life he dreamt of, almost like that dream representing the desire of him to be good himself slowly slipping away with the silence of Diane’s lack of confirmation for his question
It’s a little eerie but brilliant
BoJack is a character we would probably see as the bad guy if we weren't seeing things from his perspective. Whether you like him or despise him, you always understand him.
This episode was too real.
Which episode is this?
Which episode is it
@@filipgoebiowski6304 I wanna know that too
@@trix3042 s1 ep11
@@filipgoebiowski6304 apparently s1 ep11
Damn... Im gonna go stare at the ceiling for a few hours.
Mr Enter
FullMetal Bat MR ENTER :3
The ceiling doesn't think you're a good person either.
***** :(
@ImaCowfreak Does someone have to hurt you for you to point out the truth? A ceiling can't think and it's not like you will find answers doing it. If you want to be a good person, you have to put in the effort to be one.
I like this show because it doesn't pretend that the world is a positive place like everybody always likes to do.
literally nobody does that these days wdym. Its the complete opposite in fact, im tired of that
Some people pretend that the world is a positive place to live in; they think like little kids.
Whoever thought to put the sounds of Maine and Harper's laugh in the silence should win a fucking award for that.
The last thing I expected from this show was to feel, much less to have those feels set to 11.
whhhaaaaaaaaatttttt
I heard this episode its gonna be nominated for a Emmy
I can't hear it, am I missing something?
+MopedOfJustice 1:41 turn up your volume, there's forest sounds and Harper's laugh
Thanks
I heard rustling and what sounded kind of like a "Yeah!" from a little girl. I'm impressed that the actor for it was identifiable to someone.
You know whats really sad in this scene is That through out the entire season Bojack has been trying to make people remember him and fails miserably, but now when Bojack is finally at his lowest and most vulnerable someone finally notices him.......='C
Nah, people recognize him as 'the horse from horsing around' a few times in the series. He's not always trying cause it happens a fair bit.
It was in episode 2 I believe (where he made an epidemic on a navy seal by "stealing" muffins he had "dibs" on) where it was made first known if I remember correctly, that everyone already recognized him... The dumbo blond he slept with, the navy seal saying he thought he was better because he was an actor, he was always known, but yea, remember why he chose to get the book written; he felt washed up, forgotten, and unliked, so he chose to write a book about his personal life for people to know "the real him" and like him, and take off for him. As it was "his last shot". Which is why he got mad at Dianne because it seemed crude and like he was a moron. Which comes to this scene asking for a kind of forgiveness and kind of panicking even though he kind of hit a pit of low and not caring.
Hes not a good person
Hes a good Horsey
missed vincent this season :C
"That feels nice, actually."
Araani M he's been very busy at the business factory
....XD
They aren't but they can be and eventually actually try to be
It's the fact that he even cares that gives him the potential to be a good person.
Yeah, but he wasted all his chances
@@fbfbnl he can still rebuild, jail isn’t forever and the world is full of billions of people. Even if all his previous friends hate him. It is never too late redemption is always possible. I actually saw the finale of bojack to be rather hopeful ngl, I feel like our horse finally might turn his life around.
Yeah, but as Todd says, feeling bad about it doesn't make it okay. Bojack wants to feel good about himself and be happy, yet the one thing standing in the way of it is himself. He's really self aware of his toxic traits and patterns, how it affects others, yet makes no effort to do anything about it.
Bojack Horseman had some standout moments before this but this one cemented it as one of the best shows on TV. Any other show would have had Diane give a long-winded speech telling him that he is a good person at heart and just has to work to change. Her response in the show? Silence. Redemption is never that easy.
This scene made me cry the hardest. It's such a harsh truth to realise you can be a bad person even if on the inside your thoughts and intentions are pure. And it's even harder to figure out how to be good after you've realised the truth.
Dammit this made me teary eyed when I first saw it...
Tuschi still makes me teary eyed, and I'm a guy who's never cried to a movie
I cry every time.
I had to call my best friend and ask if I'm a good person because this fucked me up that bad
This scene was the climax for the whole first season. But the difference between a jerk and a jerk with a heart of gold (as Diane implies) isn't something innate, it's in what you choose to do. So I don't think BoJack is stuck being like this, he just needs to keep his self loathing from preventing him from making better choices. That's my opinion anyway.
This scene and the part with Secretariat on TV made me love this series. Way deeper than it looked at first, I watched it all a second time to realize that they built every part that make the finale so memorable slowly during the whole season. It's a masterpiece.
My recent ex is an alcoholic. I told him many times he should watch Bojack Horseman. This scene comes to mind when i think about him.
Man this show hit so hard. Im not an alcoholic, but Im in the AL anon/AA circuit. Living with and loving him was hard. Alcoholics carry so much guilt and shame. So amny unaddressed issues and emotions. You dont want to hate them. You dont want to say theyre bad people because theyre just always suffering, but you also cant say theyre good because they hurt so many people. He hurt me and now he thinks I just see this monster when I look at him, but thats not true. It is as complicated as this scene. I wish he'd watch and understand that.
Any animated series that can make you feel as much as BoJack can, is in my opinion, brilliant.
Watch "Sharp Objects" then
“I know that I can be selfish and narcissistic and self destructive but underneath all that deep down I’m a good person” damn
That bald fan is my favorite.
"What's your favorite ghost to write for?"
the guitar twang in every bojack ending credits is like a budmtss in every depressing end of this show lol
This was the moment I realised this wasn’t just any animation show
"There's no cure for being Bojack Horseman."
Plays a foundational role in Bojack's question albeit it comes later in the episodes...
I wasn't ready for this episode.
I personally just was hit hard at the hallucination with a kid, then was "kicked while I was down" at this specific scene...
+Courier Z kind of late on the BoJack train, hence the year later, but I agree with you. The hallucination with Harper truly blew my mind and made me feel warm inside seeing BoJack actually wholesome for once...letting my guard down was sincerely a mistake because this following scene had me feeling like my heart had been ripped out of my chest
E-Man5805 what episode is this??
this is awesome, you'd never see patrick star, eric cartman or peter griffin suffering for their past actions.
Yeah, BoJack has a different continuity to shows like SpongeBob, Family Guy, and South Park. (Course, it should also be noted that they're all fictional characters that never actually did anything wrong, but yea...)
Mr.Classified 600 I would pay to see Patrick go through this
How much we talking here?
Well, I would make an exception for South Park because they can do serious if they want to. I mean take the episode where Stan sees everything as shit as an example.
Ever watch Rick and Morty
uuugghhj i resonate with the desperate line "i need you to tell me im a good person" too much
i NEED the validation and it makes my subconscious attention-seeking habits grow more and more
I love this scene so much, the slow zoom out makes you (or at least made me) expect it to cut to Diane in typical sitcom fashion to make the audience feel good and say “Bojack, no one is ever too far gone” until it just keeps going and you’re hit with the realness of it.
you never realize how much you relate to bojack until you watch it, and self reflect LMAO
After the events of season 3, I'm not sure Bojack.
fuck!.. cant read the comments anymore...
IKR
Season 3 killed me
+Zoo-Wee-Mama16 It killed Sarah Lynn more.
...too soon?
Lemme just curl into the fetal position and cry :,) but honestly Imagined all the characters she voiced dying and it made it 3x worse
This show fucked me up bad in the last three episodes.
This scene broke my heart the first time I saw it. It still does. But the first time I actually had to pause, and reflect before moving to the next episode.
I'm kind of late on the BoJack train, but I just finished watching S1 last night and needless to say this scene had me feeling like my heart had been ripped out of my chest
There are only two shows in existance I can’t binge. One of them is Bojack Horseman. Watching it innhigh doses is just too damn depressing.
Finally started watching it, I was watching this episode while cleaning and I had to stop mid-stoop to just stand there and cry for a minute when this came on
@@charlescalthrop2535 what is the second
The echoing Loon call followed by Harper's laugh off in the distance...God, man. This show.
I-I guess my question is do you, do you think it’s to late for me I mean am I just doomed to be the person that I am? The person in that book? It’s not to late for me, it’s not to late for its- it’s not to late, I need you to tell me that it’s not to late, I-I need you to tell me that I’m a good person I know that I can be selfish, narcissistic, and self destructive, but underneath that deep down I’m a good person and I need you too tell me that I’m good tell me please tell me that I’m good.
I watched this video just to see Pinky Penguin being utterly incredulous that the idiot audience doesn't understand the concept of a ghost writer.
Can somebody come up with a *real question* ? ... or a gun?
Samuel Wallace so I can shoot myself...
Watching this in the first season I felt like Bojack was getting close to rock bottom... thing is, what I didn't expect was that this was the beginning of a huge downwards spiral, he was nowhere close in this scene.... and thinking about that makes me really sad...
Is Bojack a terrible person? Yeah very much. Is he trying to be a better person? No not really. Bojack is stuck in the camp of wanting to be good but does nothing to do good. And I agree with Diane that it doesn’t matter what you feel deep down. It’s what you do. And even though bad people can do good, all that matters is how much good you’ve done in life. A bad person is someone that can’t help but continue doing so much bad that it shrouds any sense of good. No matter how badly they want to be a decent person. I’ve known Bojacks and it’s very tragic. Seeing someone who desperately wants to be a normal human being but can’t help but do the shittiest things because that’s all they know…. This scene hurt me so much. Reminded me when I had a friend breakdown in the same way. That’s when I knew I had to let go or continue being hurt. I miss them every day but even on social media they’re the same person. This show is too deep. Hopefully one day they change. And I’m on season 1 of this show and hopefully Bojack changes.
One of the more underrated scenes I've ever seen. So many people can relate to this. We all make mistakes, do things we shouldn't have done and stray away from the person we actually are. For whoever is reading this- it's never too late. You are all good, and you can turn things around regardless of the mistakes you made. Whenever I want to be pissed at someone and hold something against them, I think of some of the worst mistakes I've made and remember how badly I wanted to be forgiven. It is never too late.
WOW. Why would you post this, this is the saddest thing ever. This show was advertised as a comedy but it very clearly is not. This episode killed me. Why am I crying over a cartoon horse.
hannah west guess you enjoyed season 3 then :P
well, the show does have a lot of funny moments, so it is a comedy, but it also has moments like these that make it so much more than that.
Yeah, thats what I thought. I assumed it would be an outlandish surrealist comedy. I put it on because I felt like laughing. Thats not what I was doing.
My heart stopped when not one sound but his dreams was made... it killed him inside deeply :( soo powerful
This episode scared me. I wanted to curl up and hide after this scene.
In my opinion, this was the seed of the whole story. Since Horsin' Around' end, Diane became his first friend to talk and she wasn't able to amswer a simple "Yes" even if tt was a lie. So, a depressed person as Bojack fall down totally.
The last line before the credits sums up the premise of the show. It reflects Bojack's struggle to be seen as a good person, but, at the end of the day, he'll always be known as "that horse from Horsin' Around"
Kinda sad when you are watching this show and realize you're the "Bojack" or at least I think so. I wish I was cool all the time like Diane but wow, no. I'm like freaking Bojack way more often than I want to admit. :'/
Know it's late, but that's true... I also feel like I'm more a Bojack towards people and that makes the series hit really close home
I wouldn’t argue Diane is a perfect character at all. There’s a handful of moments in the show where she overreacts to situations and puts multiple people in danger as a result of it. Not that I don’t empathise or understand her, I absolutely love Diane. And I’d say her biggest flaws show up quite rarely, at least in the most extreme cases. But I wouldn’t really say she gets off the hook. Every character on this show has massive flaws.
The song... every single time...It's like an exit for tears.
To Bojack's credit, some of the stuff Diane wrote about him was legitimately harsh.
i like that diane stood by what she wrote, bojack and her agreed abt warts and all and she did exactly that. obviously bojack is a wildly complicated person, but i think if she had softened the blows it wouldnt have been her anymore. it was kinda unfair of her to not even acknowledge where his hurt feelings came from, though.
At the moment I saw this scene I remember it lasting WAY longer, I don't know why I just felt for him, and my heart sank. When I didn't know what this show was about I thought it would be one of those old American comedy cartoons like family guy, or the Simpsons none the less I was gravely mistaking this has a lot of character development. Long story short, this is a MUST WATCH show is more than just a cartoon.
Why do I keep doing this? Why do i keep rewatching these scenes!?!
i think bojack is neither a bad person, nor a good person. he gave up happiness for a life of regret, hate, self destruction, and betrayal. He has one chance left though..
the whole trip ending up showing that his life would be better if he went with charlotte (and not betraying herb) was really sad
THE PURE EMOTION IN HIS VOICE ARGH
This scene is melancholic, however, I still laughed my ass off at the beginning before Bojack took the microphone, especially when one guy asked, 'What's your favourite ghost to write about', and Pinky Penguin's reaction to that question was hilarious.
This episode was the reason why I stayed for Bojack. I watched the show since it started and I didn’t quite figure it out until then. I always looked at it as an aspiring comedy. I watched it out of pure boredom. It took me about two weeks to finish the season because it wasn’t really important. But then I reached to this episode. I realized what this show is. I realized that it’s more human then any other tv show or movie that ever existed or will exist. This is the most important show for everyone to watch. Because this isn’t something to watch. This is what you need to watch. I journeyed through six seasons and finally came to a stop. I’m so proud and grateful I gave this beautiful show a chance
To this
For me it was ep 8, that episode destroyed me when i saw it
"Aren't you the horse from Horsin' Around?" after something so emotional and dark was the moment this was cemented as one of the greatest shows.
This is one the most soul-crushing moments in the show
This scene crushes me so much because I can relate to Bojack and it's like being being told that it's too late for me.
Ur in so many comment sections lol,wassup
When I saw this scene, I just wanted to hug him and tell him that he is fine... :( ... well he always makes me want to hug him. I think thats because I relate to him way too much
This show made me feel like crying because I felt like I was looking in a mirror.
God this scene was very real. I've never seen a TV show that handles anxiety an depression with such respect.
Fun fact: the background lighting in the part where Bojack says 'I know I can be selfish and narcissistic' is brighter, but it immediately becomes darker when he says 'I need you to tell me I'm a good person' afterwards
dependent personality disorder; inability to cope with being truly alone. no sense of self worth, relying entirely on others (typically one specific person very special to patient) for comfort.
this quote sums it up pretty well
i cry every time i see this scene.
coming back here after 6 seasons of this incredibly well crafted masterpiece of a show… bojack’s SEVERE mommy issues show in this clip, especially w the way he constantly seeks out women in his life for validation and comfort
ive been struggling with inner conflict and i opened up to my parents telling them that what i felt was that i had to leave who i am behind and go out and find myself, I've been pushed to go to university, i asked them "I can be succesful in other ways, can't I?" and out of nowhere they both just fell silent, then "no". i know that feel bojack
Marco King Two years too late, but hope you're doing well. I hope you got to do what you wanted to do, because although parents might want us to do what they believe is best, it's not always what's really best of us. It's okay to go your own way.
Sending lots of love!
I think Bojack still has a chance to redeem himself. I don't think he's doomed to be "the person in that book" forever. He needs to use all this time he has on his hands to really sit with himself, psychoanalyze himself, and find out why he does some of the terrible things he does (see the episode: Zooeys and Zeldas). He can still become a better person, you can always become a better person. Some of the more drastic and terrible things he does are caused by some trauma or experience rooted in his past, whether it be from his child hood or his experience being thrust into stardom on Horsin' Around. For example he ruined Todd's rock opera for fear of Todd becoming a success and moving out due to his fear of abandonment and not wanting to be more alone than he is currently. The sooner he comes to terms with those traumas and experiences the better he can control feelings and urges rooted in them. You can't possible know how to fix something if you don't know what's broken. Becoming a better person really just means becoming more of a selfless and considerate person, but in order to do that he needs to come to terms with himself and resolve whatever guilt he has that causes him to self-sabotage and hate himself. That resolution of guilt has to come from him, not Herb at this point. He needs to pick himself up now because he's pushed so many people away that no ones is willing to help him. Once he better understands why he does some of the things he does, he can start to consciously make better choices in life. All he really wants is to be validated and to fill some of the void that his life choices have left in him. Taking steps toward becoming a better person and really getting to know the cold harsh reality of who he truly is in contrast to whom he'd like to be are the only ways he has a chance at becoming a better person. I really hope they deal a bit more with that in season 2.
And I'm just now realizing it's 3 am and I just spent 20 minutes writing a paragraph on how a cartoon horse can improve himself goodnight.
TL;DR
You can always become better once you come to terms with and work on your problems.
I think this is the scene where I first realized what kind of a show I was actually watching.
This show is an incredible con. It's a deep character portrait about the struggles people go through and the scars those struggles leave along the way; and it gets away with it in a cartoon by looking absurd and having animal characters. Conning people into embracing humanity in all its flawed, noble failure is a very good thing.
It’s been 6 years and every time I’m drunk & sad I watch this.
I just started watching the show yesterday and finished season 1 in 6 hours, cuz I needed breaks between episodes. But omg, this is my favorite scene in the whole season. I had to come watch it here again and again cuz that’s how good it is
Currently watching season 2 also coming back to this scene 😔
Is it weird that I gravitate towards characters that have something deeply wrong with them?
The longer you go into this show, the sadder this scene gets. Like this was obviously sad the first time, but especially after Season 2, hearing Harper laugh is a straight equation for tears
This scene was so sad oml, it really showed what the show would become and how dark it actually is, even as a viewer you can’t say if he is a good person or not, this show is so good i love it to death
This show brings about questions that I never even realized applied to me but we're always in the back of my mind.
Never watched Bojack Horseman. I think I might have to change that.
Well this is pretty much the climax of the season so maybe watch the show before the youtube video next time
Will Arnett's acting is so good
wow i never thought clips of an animated horse could make me cry so much
this scene right here is where i realized i needed to change for the better
This damn scene from the whole series simply plunged me into my worst phase of depression 😕😞
Doesnt matter how you are on the inside. If you act like an asshole you're an asshole. No such thing as being a good person "deep down". If you're never good to others you're not a good person.
this... this is a bit too relatable right now (the am i a good person? part)
The thing is, Diane can't answer that question as to whether it's "too late" for Bojack or if he's truly a good person. That's something he has to decide for himself.
The search for validation cannot validate a person. Because sooner or later, that person will need the validation of someone else, and then someone else, and then someone else. It’s a constant cycle. The only meaningful validation for a person is the one they can give themselves; BoJack can’t do that. And his actions make it wrong for his friends to validate him.
I think the truly terrifying thing about this and what really makes it heart breaking is that so many of us, myself included, is that we can see ourselves in Bojack's position. We've made mistakes, we've been selfish and narcissistic and hurt and lied to the people that love us and care about us. And when you have the beliefs that Bojack has, that life is meaningless that all of it is pointless and nothing matters in the end, you have to face this question of "am I my past actions? Am I destined to be this bad, narcissistic, and selfish person or can I change?"
That's why he's begging. He is having an existential crisis and is begging for someone to tell him that he doesn't have to be like that, he doesn't want to be his mistakes.
I went from pretending to be able to relate to this to feel edgy in HS to actually getting hit like a train by it in college.
Bojack is on his way to becoming a better person; the closest we get to seeing a genuinely happy Bojack is after he does what he know is the right thing. It is not always clear what is the right thing, but as the show progresses Bojack thinks about more than just himself.
I just needed one person to tell me personally that i was a good friend, a good person, a good man
All of the blood drains out of my face during this scene and i end up having an entire evening of self reflecting
I've come to realise that we all are grey in life, we strive to do good and make mistakes and do bad things, the key is to not make mistakes and bad things a part your identity and learn from them to get as better as possible
Took me until like my fourth or fifth viewing of this scene to realize that Harper’s laugh plays before the conspiracy theorist stands up.
I guess I was so caught up in the moment of Bojack’s speech (and my crying in its wake) to hear it my first few times.
It adds a lot, because it means that not only does Bojack think he’s not a good person, the fact that it’s fading away feels like it means he thinks it’s too late for him. And the fact that he thinks it’s too late follows him until Season 6 when he goes to rehab. Maybe part of it is that he couldn’t wrap his head around the fact that he can choose to be better but just isnt, and he keeps making bad decisions because he thinks he should be doomed to be that person. To be held accountable.
I dunno. I don’t think Bojack knows.
But this scene gets me thinking, I guess. And I have to share this thinking somewhere because I don’t have the emotional capacity to not be heard but I don’t have the recognition from a sitcom in the 90s for my penguin friend to hire a ghost writer for me.
It’s so hard to explain to people this is one of the best shows made and not a dumb cartoon.
Pinky's frustration with other peoples' sheer blockheadedness is always hilarious.
That question doesn't get old!
It's like one of us staying in the place of bojack talking to one of ourselves or talking! -Leaving confused and hurt! 💔😢