Just wanted to mention how much I appreciate your listing of "Chapters." SO helpful to make the most of informational videos like yours. The other thing I appreciate in *build* videos is showing the completed item BEFORE all the detail, especially if there's a vague description, thereby leading one to watch the whole thing before realizing it wasn't the best use of one's time. (OK, maybe it's just me who makes that mistake...) 😏
It would have been helpful to take a couple of minutes to do a demonstration to show how it works. Especially since there aren't any other reviews of this product.
Great video! This has convinced me to try one out, thank you! One thought though- since (correct me if i'm wrong) it looks like the tool theory kit keeps things tight to the rail by pulling the lip of the Empire square to the inner rail, wouldn't the true test of squareness of the Empire square be whether the top of the lip is square to the perpendicular edge, not the bottom of the lip being square to the perpendicular edge? Probably a minor detail, but the lip isn't a completely uniform thickness on my 7" rafter square, at least.
@6:03 Is that a re:markable tablet? Or just a real (booooring! :) tablet? Not a bad idea! As for checking squareness, I too use Woodpecker square. But you can also pick up nice machinist squares for much less.
Interesting stuff. Tooltheory seem to do a guide rails square adaptor for every make on the planet ....apart from Mafell and Bosch. I have a Mafell track saw with a mixture of Mafell and Bosch track (they both work with Mafell). Would any of the the available guide rail adaptors fit Bosch and/or Mafell track. Please say 'yes its.........' otherwise I'm going to be upset.
As a fellow San Anton…ian, I feel your pain about working in the garage in the summer - all nine months of it. Just came here to say I was very surprised when I saw your subscriber count. Your quality of videos punches way above where you’re at right now and I know you’ll blow up sooner rather than later. If you ever need help from a local, total stranger, hit me up!
I bought this for my Makita tracksaw from Tool Theory. The assembled unit in this video shows an additional cam near the pointed end of the square. What is that for and I'm curious why my kit from Tool Theory didn't include that?
Hey Bradley, a few of us have bought the Milwaukee track saw. You might consider making one that’s compatible with the Red tool brand. I suggest this for others, and not myself. I’m already rocking the TSO rail square (only because I didn’t know about the InstaRail XL track square when I bought TSO’s version). Thanks for sharing this with the community.
I never understood this about woodworkers. I am a retired machinist by trade, let me explain you're trying to measure a living thing, it moves swills and contracts and in some cases in ways you don't want. my point is the average human heart is .003-.005 thousand of an inch thick so if you stand the hair up and cut it from top to bottom 3 times that's .001 thousand of an inch if you take that piece of wood and measure it when your shop is 65 deg. and 30% humidity and write it down then come back say noon when your shop is 85 deg. and 60% humidity and write it down that piece of (wood) is going to be all over the place, plus a 300$+ pair of calipers is only accurate to +/-.001 and it's also subject to heat and cold too. when I was in trade school my instructor asked 5 students to measure a piece of metal he gave to them and wright it down in the end, he asked the 5 to show what the route down, all 5 had different measurements sum close but different. he explained why, each of the students posable used different pressures on their calipers when measuring the piece, too he gave them a cold piece of metal, and as each of the students held it in their hands the metal heated up (expansion and contraction) of the metal.
I just got back from the home center getting the speed square for this and I have to say if I had a tip for picking a square if you don’t have a machinist square or the woodpeckers square, get the blue metal one. Out of all the blue metal and silver metal ones that I checked with my machinist square the blue ones were more consistently square. They cost like $8 more but it’s worth it.
Really enjoy your videos. I'm a pro carpenter and I really appreciate your awareness for tradespeople when making your assessments. I had briefly looked at this system but ended up spending the money for the TSO, which I absolutely love. It gives me astounding results, and it's also a beautiful piece of equipment. Personally losing more track length would be really annoying for me, so that's another thing I do like about the TSO. Great advice about checking squares for squareness. A lot of people don't know they can be out. Also same for levels. I also check them at the store by flipping them around and looking for the same difference, before buying them.
Hey! Love that you’re from Texas too btw. I’m working from my garage too up in Austin. Regarding the square not fitting in the Makita systainer, it actually does fit! You have to get a little clever with the positioning, but if you lean it a little bit towards the saw and don’t set one side completely flat it will fit. I’ve got the same square and systainer and that’s how I store mine. 🥳
Great point on checking your squares. I have work squares and some of those are woodpeckers squares. They are verified off woodpecker squares that I rarely work with and are mostly for reference. Those squares are verified of a certified Starrett. I will be the first to admit that I'm taking it too far but the importance of knowing your squares are actually square can't be understated.
I have this for my Makita too. Very accurate. Funny you mentioned the square's accuracy. What I did was went to HD armed with only my technical pencil. I asked the HD employee if it was okay to mark a sheet of MDF to check the square for (you know) square. She looked at me like I was from Mars, then I explained how it was done. Found one on the second try and she thought the flipping the square trick was pretty cool. I left the store knowing my work there was done.
OMG .001" per inch? That's a lot. I had my cross cut sled tuned to .0012" per 10 inches. LOL. I noticed my framing square was off by 3/32". My speed square are no where near where I want it to be. But I have a tip for you if you want to square up the squares. What I did is I clamped down the framing square on my sled and skim away little bit of material. Granted the scale will be affect (not that they are accurate to start with). I was able to reduce the error from .094" over 24" to .012" over the length of 24". If I have more material to cut away, I could get it closer. But that is 89.96° after I "tuned" it up. The scale was off by 1/32 to 1/16. They are made from stamping so I never use that scale anyways. For your reference .012" over 24 inches is .0005" per inch for a framing square. I say it's pretty darn good.
It was a shame that you did not cover the "support" accessory which is mentioned on the Tool Theory website but which they also don't fully explain or demonstrate.
I really have no idea how the square is supposed to work or what is it supposed to do. Also, I think your statement of 0.000" to 0.001" is a bit over the top. In metal work this may be the case but in woodworking I think that is way too small a tolerance. Tell me I'm wrong, but as an engineer, I think I'm right!!
I don’t know if it’s too much, just wanted to put it into perspective for woodworkers. .001 / in is going to give about 3/64” error when doing a 48” crosscut. I have no idea if this is an issue for a real woodworker, I’m still trying to eliminate errors much bigger than this.
You’re not wrong, I forget who said it but when it comes to woodworking, anything less that 1/16 of an inch is un-measurable. But there are some woodworkers who like that accuracy. It doesn’t hurt the project in anyway. But also that margin of error increases the longer or wider the wood is. So it’s really to each their own but in fine woodworking it’s ok to be super accurate.
I’ve been binge-watching your older videos and trying to learn everything I can. I’m so glad I found your channel! Love your intelligent humor sans antics! Awesome content and really approachable delivery! Outstanding!
@@wittworks You’re welcome! I’m Im interested in helping out your channel. Are you on Patreon, or do you have any type of ongoing membership type support group?
My tip of the day, buy machinist squares. The are usually .0005" per foot. Cheaper than aluminum squares, and stable. They are heavy though, some weaker folks may not like them. :)
I tried one but in my experience you keep in checking if rail guide is really square or not and that too every time you cut. You cannot really blindly trust this system and go for cut.
The big box stores usually have a floor tile display; you can check your new square there before buying. Thanks for the show! Gonna sub.
Thank you Frank
Just wanted to mention how much I appreciate your listing of "Chapters." SO helpful to make the most of informational videos like yours. The other thing I appreciate in *build* videos is showing the completed item BEFORE all the detail, especially if there's a vague description, thereby leading one to watch the whole thing before realizing it wasn't the best use of one's time. (OK, maybe it's just me who makes that mistake...) 😏
I tried the Discount code it's no longer working
This has to be the most interesting and funny wood working RUclips channel. Though I felt like humming 12 days for Christmas during the intro. 🤣
😍
It would have been helpful to take a couple of minutes to do a demonstration to show how it works. Especially since there aren't any other reviews of this product.
I went through a bunch of squares at home depot with a machinist square to find a good one
its crazy, right?
Great video! This has convinced me to try one out, thank you!
One thought though- since (correct me if i'm wrong) it looks like the tool theory kit keeps things tight to the rail by pulling the lip of the Empire square to the inner rail, wouldn't the true test of squareness of the Empire square be whether the top of the lip is square to the perpendicular edge, not the bottom of the lip being square to the perpendicular edge? Probably a minor detail, but the lip isn't a completely uniform thickness on my 7" rafter square, at least.
While true the cut test at the end is ultimately what matters
Anyone know if it will work on the grizzly pro track?
Just to be clear, you would be off by .048" on a 48in plywood cross cut at .001"/in. 1/16" is .0625" for reference.
I bought it tried it spend your money on a Chinese knockoff... It's cumbersome to use Sorry for poor response..But I respect your education to us all
It's funny you threw shade on the Milwaukee squares, but theyre just rebranded Empire squares, as both are owned by the same company - TTi.
Didn’t know mentioning their inaccuracy was throwing shade
@6:03 Is that a re:markable tablet? Or just a real (booooring! :) tablet? Not a bad idea! As for checking squareness, I too use Woodpecker square. But you can also pick up nice machinist squares for much less.
Good tip! Yes it’s remarkable, and it is remarkable. Use it everyday.
Interesting stuff. Tooltheory seem to do a guide rails square adaptor for every make on the planet ....apart from Mafell and Bosch. I have a Mafell track saw with a mixture of Mafell and Bosch track (they both work with Mafell). Would any of the the available guide rail adaptors fit Bosch and/or Mafell track. Please say 'yes its.........' otherwise I'm going to be upset.
As a fellow San Anton…ian, I feel your pain about working in the garage in the summer - all nine months of it.
Just came here to say I was very surprised when I saw your subscriber count. Your quality of videos punches way above where you’re at right now and I know you’ll blow up sooner rather than later. If you ever need help from a local, total stranger, hit me up!
Thanks Eric! Email me at wittworks@drewwitt.com and we can grab a taco!
Man, how did you do it without insullation and a/c?!?! Youre dripping wet in this vid!
Just buy guide square from china starting price less than £20
Hey what tape measure were you using in this review, looked pretty decent?
It’s ridiculous simple square cost half price at the saw smh
Man, you need more subs.
All in good time 😁
Swanson Speed Squares since 1925.
I bought this for my Makita tracksaw from Tool Theory. The assembled unit in this video shows an additional cam near the pointed end of the square. What is that for and I'm curious why my kit from Tool Theory didn't include that?
Are you referring to the single tab that holds the square on the work surface? I think that was an extra add on that cost more
Hey Bradley, a few of us have bought the Milwaukee track saw. You might consider making one that’s compatible with the Red tool brand. I suggest this for others, and not myself. I’m already rocking the TSO rail square (only because I didn’t know about the InstaRail XL track square when I bought TSO’s version). Thanks for sharing this with the community.
Thank you for the video- found it perfect explanation, and purchased the tool and dust port cover to boot
Excellent!
Nice video, Drew! Stay cool!
I never understood this about woodworkers. I am a retired machinist by trade, let me explain you're trying to measure a living thing, it moves swills and contracts and in some cases in ways you don't want. my point is the average human heart is .003-.005 thousand of an inch thick so if you stand the hair up and cut it from top to bottom 3 times
that's .001 thousand of an inch if you take that piece of wood and measure it when your shop is 65 deg. and 30% humidity and write it down then come back say noon
when your shop is 85 deg. and 60% humidity and write it down that piece of (wood) is going to be all over the place, plus a 300$+ pair of calipers is only accurate to +/-.001
and it's also subject to heat and cold too. when I was in trade school my instructor asked 5 students to measure a piece of metal he gave to them and wright it down
in the end, he asked the 5 to show what the route down, all 5 had different measurements sum close but different. he explained why, each of the students posable
used different pressures on their calipers when measuring the piece, too he gave them a cold piece of metal, and as each of the students held it in their hands the metal
heated up (expansion and contraction) of the metal.
I always take my woodpecker with me. 😂
😁
I just got back from the home center getting the speed square for this and I have to say if I had a tip for picking a square if you don’t have a machinist square or the woodpeckers square, get the blue metal one. Out of all the blue metal and silver metal ones that I checked with my machinist square the blue ones were more consistently square. They cost like $8 more but it’s worth it.
3D printing idea… you could design some type of external mount to “store” the square on the external systainer??
Watching this video and in the middle of ordering this little doodad.
Really enjoy your videos. I'm a pro carpenter and I really appreciate your awareness for tradespeople when making your assessments.
I had briefly looked at this system but ended up spending the money for the TSO, which I absolutely love. It gives me astounding results, and it's also a beautiful piece of equipment. Personally losing more track length would be really annoying for me, so that's another thing I do like about the TSO.
Great advice about checking squares for squareness. A lot of people don't know they can be out. Also same for levels. I also check them at the store by flipping them around and looking for the same difference, before buying them.
Thank you! Good tip on the level. Never thought about that. I love my TSO stuff. I have the parallel guides and they’re so cool.
Hey! Love that you’re from Texas too btw. I’m working from my garage too up in Austin.
Regarding the square not fitting in the Makita systainer, it actually does fit! You have to get a little clever with the positioning, but if you lean it a little bit towards the saw and don’t set one side completely flat it will fit. I’ve got the same square and systainer and that’s how I store mine. 🥳
I guess I should also have mentioned that I took the bottom layer of plastic out to make that work.
thank you!
Great point on checking your squares. I have work squares and some of those are woodpeckers squares. They are verified off woodpecker squares that I rarely work with and are mostly for reference. Those squares are verified of a certified Starrett. I will be the first to admit that I'm taking it too far but the importance of knowing your squares are actually square can't be understated.
I have this for my Makita too. Very accurate. Funny you mentioned the square's accuracy. What I did was went to HD armed with only my technical pencil. I asked the HD employee if it was okay to mark a sheet of MDF to check the square for (you know) square. She looked at me like I was from Mars, then I explained how it was done. Found one on the second try and she thought the flipping the square trick was pretty cool. I left the store knowing my
work there was done.
OMG .001" per inch? That's a lot. I had my cross cut sled tuned to .0012" per 10 inches. LOL. I noticed my framing square was off by 3/32". My speed square are no where near where I want it to be. But I have a tip for you if you want to square up the squares. What I did is I clamped down the framing square on my sled and skim away little bit of material. Granted the scale will be affect (not that they are accurate to start with). I was able to reduce the error from .094" over 24" to .012" over the length of 24". If I have more material to cut away, I could get it closer. But that is 89.96° after I "tuned" it up. The scale was off by 1/32 to 1/16. They are made from stamping so I never use that scale anyways. For your reference .012" over 24 inches is .0005" per inch for a framing square. I say it's pretty darn good.
Empire aluminum rafter squares are now $35…oh my.
Woof. Gross.
It was a shame that you did not cover the "support" accessory which is mentioned on the Tool Theory website but which they also don't fully explain or demonstrate.
I really have no idea how the square is supposed to work or what is it supposed to do. Also, I think your statement of 0.000" to 0.001" is a bit over the top. In metal work this may be the case but in woodworking I think that is way too small a tolerance. Tell me I'm wrong, but as an engineer, I think I'm right!!
I don’t know if it’s too much, just wanted to put it into perspective for woodworkers. .001 / in is going to give about 3/64” error when doing a 48” crosscut.
I have no idea if this is an issue for a real woodworker, I’m still trying to eliminate errors much bigger than this.
You’re not wrong, I forget who said it but when it comes to woodworking, anything less that 1/16 of an inch is un-measurable. But there are some woodworkers who like that accuracy. It doesn’t hurt the project in anyway. But also that margin of error increases the longer or wider the wood is. So it’s really to each their own but in fine woodworking it’s ok to be super accurate.
Sold!
Very nice
Great tip
I’ve been binge-watching your older videos and trying to learn everything I can. I’m so glad I found your channel! Love your intelligent humor sans antics! Awesome content and really approachable delivery! Outstanding!
Thank you!
@@wittworks You’re welcome! I’m Im interested in helping out your channel. Are you on Patreon, or do you have any type of ongoing membership type support group?
I am! www.patreon.com/wittworks
I got an empire square that was really good
That’s great. I was able to find one too.
I just used mine to cut up a bunch of ply for cabinets the cuts were perfectly square
My tip of the day, buy machinist squares. The are usually .0005" per foot. Cheaper than aluminum squares, and stable. They are heavy though, some weaker folks may not like them. :)
Great video Drew!
Thank you!
I tried one but in my experience you keep in checking if rail guide is really square or not and that too every time you cut. You cannot really blindly trust this system and go for cut.
I've had great experience with it. It is a budget option though, and if accuracy and speed is a must, the TSO is the best option in my opinion.
can make a 45DG cut?
I like it ✌🏻very good video, as ever.
Thank you 🥨
@@wittworks 😂
umm... you never SHOWED HOW TO USE IT.
Yes I did.
Yeah no you didn't. Your didn't show how it attaches on the underside, how is tightens with the cams.
Thanks for the information
impordant
Well Done!!!