Regarding Chapters! RUclips is not indexing the chapters for this video correctly. You can find the correct chapters linked in the description, or the time stamps below: 00:00 - The Start 00:18 - Why Jonsbo? 01:08 - Price and Value 02:28 - Design 05:06 - Storage 08:30 - Internal Hardware 12:51 - Conclusion
Because you have a whole different list of chapters at the bottom of your video description. The correct one is at the top of the description and is presumably overridden by the one at the bottom. I assume you copied your description and forgot to remove chapters from a different video. 😞
@@IS2511_watcher ?? The top chapter list in description is the same as the comment above and both are wrong but the one at the bottom of the description is correct.
@@psychoacer Whatever it is, the fundamental problem is the same - there should be only one list of chapters in the video description, remove the wrong one 🤷
Mate, I am British,...that's like 90% petulance on a good day! No YT algorithm just user requests! The article/written version of this went live a month ago, just been swamped lately and fell behind on making the vid nascompares.com/guide/jonsbo-n2-vs-jonsbo-n3-vs-jonsbo-n4-nas-case-comparison/
You aren't being 'that guy', that is REALLY HELPFUL!!! Not sure how YT buggered this, as the chapters are clearly marked in the description correctly (YT usually auto crawls these and adds them to the video. Not sure why this is not the case this time. Investigating. Thanks again for the heads up man
I bought the N2, mainly for the compact footprint and, because I have a lot of 2.5" SSDs, I'm in the middle of swapping out the 5 disk backplane for a IBM 69Y0650 8x2.5-inch backplane, just spending a bit of time building a custom power cable for the new backplane as it uses a 16 pin to 14 pin cable. The width is identical to the 5x3.5" board, so it'll fit without any serious case modding and I can print a guide for inserting SATA SSDs. It uses a pair of SFF-8087 connectors, so I'll probably grab a IT mode HBA card. Using SSDs also lets me bring the backplane forward to create more space at the black for a bigger fan and better cable management. Well, that's the plan anyway.
Hate to disagree because your reviews are great, but the N3 has a lots of issue you dismissed. first these 2 x 100mm stupid that you you have to replace (noisy and bad) adds to the price, also its is a big fat case. I agree on the pros but these cons are what make the N2 a great deal (cheaper, smaller) so unless you really need to put a gpu or need 8 drives, I would go with the n2. the n4 is just a dumb idea
I still like 2.5" drives. Primary reason, so I can use the NVMe slot for expansion and boot off the 2.5" SSD if needed. 2.5" are still SATA too, so no need for a bunch on PCIe lanes. I agree with the rubber straps though, those are annoying.
11:00 What i want is a wider N3, call it an N5, and rather than built in bays(or maybe an optional variant without drive bays), it just has 6x5.25 bays so you can install your own drive cages. Want 10x3.5 drives? Get a pair of those silverstone drive enclosure 3x5.25 into 5x3.5 No tools whatsoever to use those, just pop the drive in and out no screws, no trays no rubber bumpers. Want a mix of SATA bulk storage and SATA SSDs? Get one of those silverstone enclosures, then one of those 16 bay ICYDOCK enclosures, and the last 5.25 bay could be for an actual optical drive.
@@nascompares Near perfect, ventilation all around for if you use low powered components and dont have case fans up top if you want to cut down on dust Easy to access side vents that should let you tape them off to create a wind tunnel for front intake/rear exhaust. And 12 drive bays. I would like a slightly cheaper version that uses 6x5.25 bays for if you want to add your own enclosures, but this is still darn near perfect for a desktop unit. Maybe called the N5 Pro. The downside of using your own enclosures would be dropping from 12 HDDs to 10x3.5, but opens it up to 5x3.5 and 24x2.5, or 12x2.5(15mm) in the same chassis. or even 5+16 with an optical.
after few good months of using my N3 what I can say: 1- with 5 Noctua fans inside, I have temperature of HDDs always around 35C (I can set this up anything between 30 adn 50C from my Home Assistant) and that is with around 25% of the fans speed 2- similarly CPU and NVMe - very low temperatures - actually NVMe are around 25C and CPU around 40C 3- the bays... hmm, that was ONE TIME issue while putting the disks, after that... install and forget 4- I put inside: 4x WD and 2x... 2.5" Crucial SSD - yeap, the m2 slots on my mobo are used as boot disks (in mirror) so no way of reusing them for fast storage 5- storage speed: my mobo has 4x 2.5Gbps NICs, and I connected 2 of them - from my SSD pool I can copy with around 230MB/s, from my HDD pool: ... 230MB/s - cannot see the difference ;-) 6- power consumption: average 40W
Do I win a prize for having the most disks inside a Jonsbo N3 Case - 18? 8 x 3.5" HDDs, 4 x NVMe SSDs (PCIe x16 slot - quad NVMe card) plus 6 x 2.5" SATA SSDs (2 using the upper case supports, 2 using a dual-bay expansion slot bracket and 2 stuck on top of the PSU).
How about Kotumy (seems present also with different names) 6 or 8 bay cases? They have proper hdd caddies, they can fit mATX mobo with 4 full slot PCIe. Looks like it ticks all the boxes. I'd welcome review of this case. Look is not the best but maybe repaint will help.
Considering it's only 5mm..say maybe 7mm taking into account metal thickness, difference in the case size versus ATX mb you should see if it's possible to shoehorn one on there. Yeah you'd have to use half height cards but all 4 rear slots should work(I bet most boards could be carefully shaved along the edges to take out the extra size for the N4 nas case
Hopefully they fix everything on the N4 and launch it as a N5. 6x 3.5" + 2x 2.5" + possibly 2x M.2 on the board, mATX, ATX PSU, full height PCIe, all sata drives hot swappable on a back plate... probably the competition already has something like that surely.
the problem is that manufacturer don't do low profile gpu anymore, not even short lenght itx, because it's costly, so to reduce costs, computers are turning bigger and bigger. technology improvements? who cares! this is just about profit!
Hello, Does an storage external HHD only powered up every 6 months have to be refreshed to another HHD every 3 to 5 years to prevent data loss? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.🙏🙏
I've already ordered my N4 because I'm repurposing my matx gaming hardware as i upgrade away from it. I'm using a Thermalright AXP90-X53 with a Silverstone 180mm Penetrator instead of the coolers own fan probably mounted diagonal with rubber fan mounts.(going to be snug) grabbed a PSU from wolfgang's database of good idle PSU's, my intention is to use the gaming matx boards pcie to add a few nvme for read/write caching, I'm also eyeballing the intel a380 low profile, but honestly, I'm not sure i even want to fall down the transcoding rabbit hole
so basically wait for the N5 (or whatever they plan to call it)that is an improvement on the N3 to be wider to allow for more pcie slots, bigger motherboards 🤔 this is the only thing holding me back from buying for now. Will stick to my current nas for now until there is something more interesting to perk my interest.
They botched the N4 hard. So much opportunity to make it great and they make it worse than the N3. What we need is an N5 with 10X hotswaps, room for a proper ATX, and full PCIe slots.
10:30 Jonsbo shows an image of the N3 with a de-branded MSI RTX 3070 Ventus OC 2X inside the case in their website, so you might be able to fit some mid to mid-high end cards in there providing they're not longer than 250mm. Though the best card to go with it IMO would be the RTX 4000 Ada SFF, which is only slightly worse than the RTX 4090 but is a half height 2 slot card which requires no PCIe power connectors.
that's funny since the pcie slot can only provide 75W maximum, and the 4090 is rated for 450W (with the pcie power connectors) you want performance? you need power, so no it's not "slightly worse", it's 5 times as worse 😉
@@sunnycloudy1337 Also, a PCIe slot can provide more than 75W as demonstrated in server boards where the PCIe power connector is part of the motherboard and PCIe cards just plug into that slot. A PCIe 5 slot can send up to 300W of power just from the slot.
NVMe SSD in NAS with even 10GbE it's wasted potential, single drive capabel to read/write even 6000MB/s is limited to 1000MB/s and they works in raid xD. I have DS220+ and I replace two 4TB ironwolf with 2TB sata ssd for system and VM, and for quieter operations and 12TB Toshiba HDD for storage, two replaced ironwolfs are for backup
I still don't get why you want to put a nice piece of WOOD on a NAS, whilst you use RUBBER bands to pull out the HDD's... I'd prefer the money invested in wood, to have real HDD bays with buttons!
why are my replies being deleted, i try telling a guy that was asking me what to do and my comments are gone after a few seconds, what gives? shit antibot reply filters, I can't even tell the guy to email me instead, what a joke
Seems like for people who want to use their old matx system as their home system, tbh I don't understand the complain it simply not for him, just because people use matx doesn't mean they want to use powerfull cpu, not all people building home server will use brand new stuff and powerfull stuff
@@KurosuKirie A lot of us do want a powerful CPU so that we only need 1 device instead of multiple, power isn't cheap everywhere. People even buy mini-pcs and put them in these units and use an M.2 Breakout to MINI-SATA. If you want a NAS with a garbage N100 CPU they are everywhere, but that doesn't mean people are buying them.
@@ericneo2 that is my point thou rather than buying crappy n100, just use your older cpu most people buy matx anyway, and ryzen 1600 or 1700 or even 7800x3d can run on low profile noctua dude, you really think 65w or 95w cpu get cripled by low profile cooler? Seriously you and this guy is so clueless just browse throu cooler review
Regarding Chapters! RUclips is not indexing the chapters for this video correctly. You can find the correct chapters linked in the description, or the time stamps below:
00:00 - The Start
00:18 - Why Jonsbo?
01:08 - Price and Value
02:28 - Design
05:06 - Storage
08:30 - Internal Hardware
12:51 - Conclusion
This doesn't seem to correlate with the actual chapters in the video
Because you have a whole different list of chapters at the bottom of your video description. The correct one is at the top of the description and is presumably overridden by the one at the bottom.
I assume you copied your description and forgot to remove chapters from a different video. 😞
@@IS2511_watcher ?? The top chapter list in description is the same as the comment above and both are wrong but the one at the bottom of the description is correct.
@@psychoacer Whatever it is, the fundamental problem is the same - there should be only one list of chapters in the video description, remove the wrong one 🤷
This is your error, not RUclipss.
Love the petulance. Don’t put it aside. Great overview - does the RUclips algorithm tell you this was just the comparison review we all needed?
Mate, I am British,...that's like 90% petulance on a good day! No YT algorithm just user requests! The article/written version of this went live a month ago, just been swamped lately and fell behind on making the vid nascompares.com/guide/jonsbo-n2-vs-jonsbo-n3-vs-jonsbo-n4-nas-case-comparison/
Thanks for all your hardwork - playing the waiting game now went for the erying i5-12500H 12C16T DDR4 board in jonsbo n3.
Do a Jonsbo N3 vs Silverstone CS382 video, both are eight 3.5" bays NAS cases.
i prefer Silverstone CS382's design, and regarding OS i like the simplicity of owncloud better.
Hate to be that guy, but your chapters don't match your video at all.
You aren't being 'that guy', that is REALLY HELPFUL!!! Not sure how YT buggered this, as the chapters are clearly marked in the description correctly (YT usually auto crawls these and adds them to the video. Not sure why this is not the case this time. Investigating. Thanks again for the heads up man
I bought the N2, mainly for the compact footprint and, because I have a lot of 2.5" SSDs, I'm in the middle of swapping out the 5 disk backplane for a IBM 69Y0650 8x2.5-inch backplane, just spending a bit of time building a custom power cable for the new backplane as it uses a 16 pin to 14 pin cable. The width is identical to the 5x3.5" board, so it'll fit without any serious case modding and I can print a guide for inserting SATA SSDs. It uses a pair of SFF-8087 connectors, so I'll probably grab a IT mode HBA card.
Using SSDs also lets me bring the backplane forward to create more space at the black for a bigger fan and better cable management.
Well, that's the plan anyway.
Hate to disagree because your reviews are great, but the N3 has a lots of issue you dismissed. first these 2 x 100mm stupid that you you have to replace (noisy and bad) adds to the price, also its is a big fat case. I agree on the pros but these cons are what make the N2 a great deal (cheaper, smaller) so unless you really need to put a gpu or need 8 drives, I would go with the n2. the n4 is just a dumb idea
I still like 2.5" drives. Primary reason, so I can use the NVMe slot for expansion and boot off the 2.5" SSD if needed. 2.5" are still SATA too, so no need for a bunch on PCIe lanes. I agree with the rubber straps though, those are annoying.
11:00 What i want is a wider N3, call it an N5, and rather than built in bays(or maybe an optional variant without drive bays), it just has 6x5.25 bays so you can install your own drive cages.
Want 10x3.5 drives? Get a pair of those silverstone drive enclosure 3x5.25 into 5x3.5 No tools whatsoever to use those, just pop the drive in and out no screws, no trays no rubber bumpers. Want a mix of SATA bulk storage and SATA SSDs? Get one of those silverstone enclosures, then one of those 16 bay ICYDOCK enclosures, and the last 5.25 bay could be for an actual optical drive.
For you - ruclips.net/video/YKDbMUbrU_Y/видео.htmlsi=DLtdHQ3T5rke_gR_
@@nascompares Near perfect, ventilation all around for if you use low powered components and dont have case fans up top if you want to cut down on dust
Easy to access side vents that should let you tape them off to create a wind tunnel for front intake/rear exhaust.
And 12 drive bays.
I would like a slightly cheaper version that uses 6x5.25 bays for if you want to add your own enclosures, but this is still darn near perfect for a desktop unit. Maybe called the N5 Pro.
The downside of using your own enclosures would be dropping from 12 HDDs to 10x3.5, but opens it up to 5x3.5 and 24x2.5, or 12x2.5(15mm) in the same chassis. or even 5+16 with an optical.
after few good months of using my N3 what I can say:
1- with 5 Noctua fans inside, I have temperature of HDDs always around 35C (I can set this up anything between 30 adn 50C from my Home Assistant) and that is with around 25% of the fans speed
2- similarly CPU and NVMe - very low temperatures - actually NVMe are around 25C and CPU around 40C
3- the bays... hmm, that was ONE TIME issue while putting the disks, after that... install and forget
4- I put inside: 4x WD and 2x... 2.5" Crucial SSD - yeap, the m2 slots on my mobo are used as boot disks (in mirror) so no way of reusing them for fast storage
5- storage speed: my mobo has 4x 2.5Gbps NICs, and I connected 2 of them - from my SSD pool I can copy with around 230MB/s, from my HDD pool: ... 230MB/s - cannot see the difference ;-)
6- power consumption: average 40W
What did those fans total in cost? 😅
Do I win a prize for having the most disks inside a Jonsbo N3 Case - 18?
8 x 3.5" HDDs, 4 x NVMe SSDs (PCIe x16 slot - quad NVMe card) plus 6 x 2.5" SATA SSDs (2 using the upper case supports, 2 using a dual-bay expansion slot bracket and 2 stuck on top of the PSU).
none of theses are designed for ssd unfortunately. silverstaone cs280 and cs01-hs will never gets old.
How about Kotumy (seems present also with different names) 6 or 8 bay cases? They have proper hdd caddies, they can fit mATX mobo with 4 full slot PCIe. Looks like it ticks all the boxes. I'd welcome review of this case. Look is not the best but maybe repaint will help.
N5 should be a larger N3. Thanks for the review
Considering it's only 5mm..say maybe 7mm taking into account metal thickness, difference in the case size versus ATX mb you should see if it's possible to shoehorn one on there. Yeah you'd have to use half height cards but all 4 rear slots should work(I bet most boards could be carefully shaved along the edges to take out the extra size for the N4 nas case
6:00 To be fair, if this had more HDDs, i would actually use a 15mm 2.5 inch drive bay, but i'd like 3 of them, for 3 of those Optane 905P drives.
Bought an Supermicro CSE-721TQ-350B2 with 350w gold psu and 4 hotswap bays for 250,-
Hopefully they fix everything on the N4 and launch it as a N5.
6x 3.5" + 2x 2.5" + possibly 2x M.2 on the board, mATX, ATX PSU, full height PCIe, all sata drives hot swappable on a back plate... probably the competition already has something like that surely.
the problem is that manufacturer don't do low profile gpu anymore, not even short lenght itx, because it's costly, so to reduce costs, computers are turning bigger and bigger. technology improvements? who cares! this is just about profit!
and you always say: "I hate seagulls!" ;-)
semi off topic but when do you think we can expect core ultra cpu+mobo combos from china? thinking about waiting for one of those.
Hello, Does an storage external HHD only powered up every 6 months have to be refreshed to another HHD every 3 to 5 years to prevent data loss? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.🙏🙏
I've already ordered my N4 because I'm repurposing my matx gaming hardware as i upgrade away from it. I'm using a Thermalright AXP90-X53 with a Silverstone 180mm Penetrator instead of the coolers own fan probably mounted diagonal with rubber fan mounts.(going to be snug) grabbed a PSU from wolfgang's database of good idle PSU's, my intention is to use the gaming matx boards pcie to add a few nvme for read/write caching, I'm also eyeballing the intel a380 low profile, but honestly, I'm not sure i even want to fall down the transcoding rabbit hole
so basically wait for the N5 (or whatever they plan to call it)that is an improvement on the N3 to be wider to allow for more pcie slots, bigger motherboards 🤔 this is the only thing holding me back from buying for now. Will stick to my current nas for now until there is something more interesting to perk my interest.
The N5
Did prices increase alot recently? I can't find any N3 for less than $145
Is there a web site where someone can buy a custom built jonsbo NAS?
Can someone please suggest motherboard with built in CPU for N2
Does anyone else hear a squeak when he gets animated?
They botched the N4 hard. So much opportunity to make it great and they make it worse than the N3. What we need is an N5 with 10X hotswaps, room for a proper ATX, and full PCIe slots.
N3 FTW
10:30 Jonsbo shows an image of the N3 with a de-branded MSI RTX 3070 Ventus OC 2X inside the case in their website, so you might be able to fit some mid to mid-high end cards in there providing they're not longer than 250mm. Though the best card to go with it IMO would be the RTX 4000 Ada SFF, which is only slightly worse than the RTX 4090 but is a half height 2 slot card which requires no PCIe power connectors.
that's funny since the pcie slot can only provide 75W maximum, and the 4090 is rated for 450W (with the pcie power connectors)
you want performance? you need power, so no it's not "slightly worse", it's 5 times as worse 😉
@@sunnycloudy1337 In practice the "5 times as worse" is a difference which can only be measured.
@@sunnycloudy1337 Also, a PCIe slot can provide more than 75W as demonstrated in server boards where the PCIe power connector is part of the motherboard and PCIe cards just plug into that slot. A PCIe 5 slot can send up to 300W of power just from the slot.
Yeah no @@BrunodeSouzaLino I can tell the difference in almost everything
Don't lie to us
NVMe SSD in NAS with even 10GbE it's wasted potential, single drive capabel to read/write even 6000MB/s is limited to 1000MB/s and they works in raid xD. I have DS220+ and I replace two 4TB ironwolf with 2TB sata ssd for system and VM, and for quieter operations and 12TB Toshiba HDD for storage, two replaced ironwolfs are for backup
Can you mod n4 to accept 8 hdds?
For 3.5"? Not really, without cutting out half the internal cage
@@nascompares cutting is ok))
I still don't get why you want to put a nice piece of WOOD on a NAS, whilst you use RUBBER bands to pull out the HDD's...
I'd prefer the money invested in wood, to have real HDD bays with buttons!
why are my replies being deleted, i try telling a guy that was asking me what to do and my comments are gone after a few seconds, what gives?
shit antibot reply filters, I can't even tell the guy to email me instead, what a joke
The N4 landed like a wet fart.
Seems like for people who want to use their old matx system as their home system, tbh I don't understand the complain it simply not for him, just because people use matx doesn't mean they want to use powerfull cpu, not all people building home server will use brand new stuff and powerfull stuff
@@KurosuKirie A lot of us do want a powerful CPU so that we only need 1 device instead of multiple, power isn't cheap everywhere.
People even buy mini-pcs and put them in these units and use an M.2 Breakout to MINI-SATA.
If you want a NAS with a garbage N100 CPU they are everywhere, but that doesn't mean people are buying them.
@@ericneo2 that is my point thou rather than buying crappy n100, just use your older cpu most people buy matx anyway, and ryzen 1600 or 1700 or even 7800x3d can run on low profile noctua dude, you really think 65w or 95w cpu get cripled by low profile cooler? Seriously you and this guy is so clueless just browse throu cooler review
If you have to go with MATX or ATX, don't even consider Jonsbo, there are much better choice for just 30 bucks more.
your comment is like a clickbait article title: low effort & irrelevant.
Interesting, state your Case if you are so confident.