thank you very much, comrade! Bookchin is the missing anarchocommunist link between Berkman-Goldman generation and Chomsky generation, hahaha, and we are postChomsky generation, hope we will be the the last enslaved!
The problem with Bookchin is that, his views are Eurocentric and does not take into account that his rational society model is an imposition of scientism and anti-theism.
@Wennie Wowney I'm about to finish a 4th book from Murray Bookchin (Ecology of Freedom), I'm looking for contrasts, other writers (although Murray has been a great teacher)
@@legalfictionnaturalfact3969 Even the authoritarian communists such as Marxist Leninists and the like agree that communism itself is stateless, as the Marxist view is that the state is a product of class conflict and with the abolition of class relations by means of a proletarian revolution, the state will cease to exist. While anarchists disagree on the seizure of state power to help achieve communism, both camps agree that communism is stateless. Anarchism and communism are by no means incompatible, in fact in my opinion they go together like bread and butter.
i hope what he was sayin about our collective disgust eventually bubbling up and accomplishing somethin happens. im increasingly feeling that hopeless pessimism and bitterness and the urge to retreat into private life- consciously, i mean, it's only recently ive been opened up to actually believing there might be a way to change and tryin to figure out how i could fit into the activity of bettering all this shit, but im constantly see-sawing between optimism and the bleakest darkest depressed hopelessness which make figuring out what i could do a challenge. work doesn't help either, my brain's fried at the end of the day and it becomes impossible for me to concentrate on reading or any kind of self-education on the issues.
@@oooonyht lolol i'm in a very different place now. i def still feel this but in a totally different way. currently trying to get some anarchist shit otg in the island i live on- where there is currently nothing of the sort. i'm also becoming involved with an IWW paper based in the mainland. gonna establish an island edition. planning on interviewing an old prof on a general strike that happened in 1919 in a nearby town for the next issue. full-time at work now and pushing back against the bigotry of my coworkers as much as i can, learning how to have hard conversations and thinking about how to meaningfully confront bigotry and apathy. things aren't perfect, not even great lmao but shit's do-able. just gotta have patience and endurance. and also gotta enjoy yourself along the way
I love this guy. I have a very negative preconception of anarchism. Would someone grant me the service of a brief good faith explanation of what it is? Thank you! - Fellow citizen of earth✌️
I know this comment was made 4 months ago, but on the off-chance that you'd still like an explanation, I'll do my best. Anarchists oppose all forms of domination and hierarchy both as a long term goal for society as a whole, *and in the short term of how we organise ourselves to achieve that long term goal*. It originated within the European labour movement in the 1800s in opposition to Marxists, who had more-or-less the same end goal as anarchists, but who supported the existence of at least some forms of domination and hierarchy in the short term "transitional" period before reaching that end goal. Zoe Baker (this RUclips account) has a lot of very good videos about this. Specifically I recommend *Means and Ends: The Anarchist Critique of Seizing State Power*, and her Anarchism 101 video. She also wrote a book which is in my opinion the best resource you could ask for if you want to learn about the historic anarchist movement. Murray Bookchin (the subject of this video) specifically thought that the long-term goal of anarchists should take the form of federated municipal direct-democracies. He did eventually drop the anarchism label (because of reasons too complicated for a RUclips comment section), but some anarchists still like his work and ideas and still advocate in favour of a lot of them.
@@ralyks-vw5pm thank you, my beacon of enlightenment. I hope you can cherish all the joy life has to offer. I am mildly aware of Murray Bookchin, and with the little I know, I can say he’s a beaut. Looking forward to further my understanding of anarchism, after this perfect stepping stone you’ve laid down for me. Cheers, fellow citizen of earth!
@@zuzannawisniewska4464 I once asked chat GPT if it knew of any time they'd appeared together, and it claimed to know about a with by bookchins wife, but I couldn't find it anywhere. Might've been a hallucination
i think he has a very misguided view of competition. nasty people competing will be nasty, friendly people competing will be friendly. competition doesn't make enemies out of people, but people who go looking for enemies obviously do work in positions which involve competition. i think he is just mistaking correlation for causation. there are plenty of examples of competitors who are friendly, for example olympic athletes, employees from rival firms, etc.
I am just going to guess that you didn't listen to more than the first few minutes. The group goes on to discuss how its not competition that is bad, but that a system that forces growth, expansion, and market domination as a legal obligation has no other option than to become destructive...
I think you 1: fundamentally misunderstood the point and 2: used neo-liberal rhetoric about it not being the system, but individuals that blatantly doesn't work. Competition as Bookchin here referred to was not competition like sports in such a nebulous sense, but rather competition for survival as he actually stated over and over. This is by definition not something that is friendly because as he states it is way of life based on getting over on others by very necessity and the loosers are subjugated while the winners go on to exploit the natural world that we all depend on.
Peter Miller They are not different things. His view of competition was his view about the systematic structure of our society once again he was using competition as competing to live not competition in sports or something of that nature.
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My favourite kind of anarchist grandpa vibe💔🖤
The road to excess leads to the palace of wisdom... for we never know what is enough until we know what is more than enough.
-William Blake
Murray held us spell bound in the sixties, and decades later, he still piques our interest..
Daddy Bookchin... Thanks for sharing this, Zoe. Vive l'anarchie!
thank you very much, comrade! Bookchin is the missing anarchocommunist link between Berkman-Goldman generation and Chomsky generation, hahaha, and we are postChomsky generation, hope we will be the the last enslaved!
The problem with Bookchin is that, his views are Eurocentric and does not take into account that his rational society model is an imposition of scientism and anti-theism.
I'm few years late to the party, but would you have any recommandation to shades Bookchin ideology ?
@Wennie Wowney I'm about to finish a 4th book from Murray Bookchin (Ecology of Freedom), I'm looking for contrasts, other writers (although Murray has been a great teacher)
@@legalfictionnaturalfact3969 Even the authoritarian communists such as Marxist Leninists and the like agree that communism itself is stateless, as the Marxist view is that the state is a product of class conflict and with the abolition of class relations by means of a proletarian revolution, the state will cease to exist. While anarchists disagree on the seizure of state power to help achieve communism, both camps agree that communism is stateless. Anarchism and communism are by no means incompatible, in fact in my opinion they go together like bread and butter.
@@CosmoShidan eurocentric yet the most prominent people to implement his ideas are ethnic kurds lol
i hope what he was sayin about our collective disgust eventually bubbling up and accomplishing somethin happens. im increasingly feeling that hopeless pessimism and bitterness and the urge to retreat into private life- consciously, i mean, it's only recently ive been opened up to actually believing there might be a way to change and tryin to figure out how i could fit into the activity of bettering all this shit, but im constantly see-sawing between optimism and the bleakest darkest depressed hopelessness which make figuring out what i could do a challenge. work doesn't help either, my brain's fried at the end of the day and it becomes impossible for me to concentrate on reading or any kind of self-education on the issues.
J O I N THE C LU B
I feel you... whoever you are :) Its going to be ok though I have hope... I mean you are here right? That's a step...
hhhhh if you’re here you know all you need to know. Get back to the land
@@oooonyht lolol i'm in a very different place now. i def still feel this but in a totally different way.
currently trying to get some anarchist shit otg in the island i live on- where there is currently nothing of the sort. i'm also becoming involved with an IWW paper based in the mainland. gonna establish an island edition. planning on interviewing an old prof on a general strike that happened in 1919 in a nearby town for the next issue. full-time at work now and pushing back against the bigotry of my coworkers as much as i can, learning how to have hard conversations and thinking about how to meaningfully confront bigotry and apathy.
things aren't perfect, not even great lmao but shit's do-able. just gotta have patience and endurance. and also gotta enjoy yourself along the way
No shame in having hope even if this all is for nothing it's better to struggle and fail than fail and never struggle at all
Thank you for posting.
I love this guy.
I have a very negative preconception of anarchism.
Would someone grant me the service of a brief good faith explanation of what it is?
Thank you!
- Fellow citizen of earth✌️
I know this comment was made 4 months ago, but on the off-chance that you'd still like an explanation, I'll do my best.
Anarchists oppose all forms of domination and hierarchy both as a long term goal for society as a whole, *and in the short term of how we organise ourselves to achieve that long term goal*. It originated within the European labour movement in the 1800s in opposition to Marxists, who had more-or-less the same end goal as anarchists, but who supported the existence of at least some forms of domination and hierarchy in the short term "transitional" period before reaching that end goal. Zoe Baker (this RUclips account) has a lot of very good videos about this. Specifically I recommend *Means and Ends: The Anarchist Critique of Seizing State Power*, and her Anarchism 101 video. She also wrote a book which is in my opinion the best resource you could ask for if you want to learn about the historic anarchist movement.
Murray Bookchin (the subject of this video) specifically thought that the long-term goal of anarchists should take the form of federated municipal direct-democracies. He did eventually drop the anarchism label (because of reasons too complicated for a RUclips comment section), but some anarchists still like his work and ideas and still advocate in favour of a lot of them.
@@ralyks-vw5pm thank you, my beacon of enlightenment.
I hope you can cherish all the joy life has to offer.
I am mildly aware of Murray Bookchin, and with the little I know, I can say he’s a beaut. Looking forward to further my understanding of anarchism, after this perfect stepping stone you’ve laid down for me.
Cheers, fellow citizen of earth!
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How does the collective go about de-coupling the Virginia schools of economics from ecology
Sounds like Chomsky was at the talk too maybe
I don't think so, the voice is just similar, but the commentary is not sophisticated enough to be Chomsky, in my opinion.
I would love to hear Chomsky and Bookchin in discussion.
@@RichardFalknerMe too...
@@zuzannawisniewska4464 I once asked chat GPT if it knew of any time they'd appeared together, and it claimed to know about a with by bookchins wife, but I couldn't find it anywhere. Might've been a hallucination
i mean i dont consider Bookchin to be quite Anarchist, though it is very close.
"How can the services be anarchistic? They need to be organised!" omg dude at least read some basic Anarchist theory before coming along.
non-hierarchical
Organization isn't synonymous with power and hierarchy.
Please tell me you took your own advice.
Thankfully Bookchin was far beyond your childish anarchist ideology.
i think he has a very misguided view of competition. nasty people competing will be nasty, friendly people competing will be friendly. competition doesn't make enemies out of people, but people who go looking for enemies obviously do work in positions which involve competition. i think he is just mistaking correlation for causation. there are plenty of examples of competitors who are friendly, for example olympic athletes, employees from rival firms, etc.
derp
I am just going to guess that you didn't listen to more than the first few minutes. The group goes on to discuss how its not competition that is bad, but that a system that forces growth, expansion, and market domination as a legal obligation has no other option than to become destructive...
I think you 1: fundamentally misunderstood the point and 2: used neo-liberal rhetoric about it not being the system, but individuals that blatantly doesn't work. Competition as Bookchin here referred to was not competition like sports in such a nebulous sense, but rather competition for survival as he actually stated over and over. This is by definition not something that is friendly because as he states it is way of life based on getting over on others by very necessity and the loosers are subjugated while the winners go on to exploit the natural world that we all depend on.
redandblackrevolutionary i was only commenting on his view of competition - not his view of the system as a whole.
Peter Miller
They are not different things. His view of competition was his view about the systematic structure of our society once again he was using competition as competing to live not competition in sports or something of that nature.