MsMojo The best of all of us we will never forget her dedication and hard work I have said it once and I will say it again I am proud to Be Black 😭🙂✊🏾✊🏾⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️
Does it really matter how many thats Hidden Figure got 8 things wrong? It's a great film and it shouldn't be criticized for being (according to this list) 20% truthful about segregation at NASA. It doesn't matter a character was created out of fiction, so long as that character makes you believe their world and experiences, are fact. Also RIP Katherine Johnson!
Just because you don't want to die is NOT a show of respect. That said, it doesn't mean that he didn't respect her, but a Klansman would want a person of color to use a fire extinguisher if he was on fire.
First, RIP Katherine Johnson. This was a lovely way to honor her on the day of her passing at 101. Second, as a life-long amateur historian, I was originally embarrassed that I did not know the story of these ladies prior to the moving coming out. Then I heard an interview with the author of the book the movie is based on and she stated that few knew about the accomplishments of these three ladies because they didn't think that they were anything special. They all just saw themselves as doing a job, just like everyone else at NASA. I am glad that their story got out before Katherine Johnson's passing.
They WEREN'T anything special, and they WERE just doing a job like anyone else at NASA, and their so-called contributions to space travel have been WILDLY blown out of proportion because we're apparently doing that with every black person in history now. If a black guy was an assistant-janitor at General Electric in the 1924, then fast forward to 2024 and he's the credited as the inventor of electricity. Lather, rinse, repeat. It's pathetic. This movie was pathetic, and about 99% fictional.
I'm glad she got recognized by the president before her passing. For all her recognition she was present and well to received them. What an awesome lady!
As a future B.S. in mathematics, another thing that Hidden Figures got factually right was the use of "Euler's Method" to approximate the elliptical orbit (let's call it the "stuck orbit"), in order to come up with the parabola that would return the astronaut safely back home.
I noticed that as well and also how the MsMojo team tried to downplay the very real racism that existed and still exists. In addition to everyone being focused on a mission, she also may not have felt it as much due to her being fairly passable.
Why should it, she practically look white, light skin, mixed race. But Hollywood darker her.negroid weren’t allowed, no dark-skin cus black school even don’t allow dark skin.
Totally agree. I'm a teacher from Argentina and i'm projecting this film in one of my classes to encourage my students to aim high, specially the women among them.
some of those facts were very important to know, we can appreciate the movie while knowing the facts about the chronology and other facts that were off.
I actually think that the 'white savior' moment could be viewed a different way. It wasn't for racial issues that the character did it. He was simply pissed off that a racial issue made his team less efficient (he IS an engineer) and he set about fixing a problem that was wasting time. He even said, 'Use any bathroom you want, preferably closer to your desk'...signaling that he didn't really do this for civil rights, but just to stop wasting time and talent...(which is really the result of any racism).
It's still baloney and it's not how NASA operated at that time. So it's rather offensive, to me at least, to see NASA scientists portrayed as racist bigots and macho men all around, when the author herself explained it didn't happen that way in the slightest. There was mutual respect. And, YES, Langley is in Virginia, with all it entailed at the time. But, for the sake of heaven, let's stop with this black and white view of history. That scene was unnecessary. As were many others. Still a great movie, though.
@@balvsmalvs5425HOW DARE YOU ATTEMPT TO WASH AWAY HISTORY BECAUSE YOU ARE EMBARRASSED AND ASHAMED OF ALL THE EVIL RACISM THAT WAS DONE TO BLACK AMERICANS. THIS MOVIE DIDN'T SHOW HALF OF THE RACISM BLACK AMERICANS FOUGHT. AND YES THERE WAS RACISM IN EVERY INSTITUTION IN AMERICA DURING THAT TIME PERIOD. IT IS ACCURATE, THERE WERE WHITES ONLY BATHROOMS , BLACKS DID GET CREDIT STOLEN FROM THEM. AND ACTUALLY, THINGS WAS MUCH WORSE THAN THIS MOVIE.
I agree. It wasn't a "white saviour" moment - he was never bothered by it before Katherine started disappearing and causing his work to get held up. So it was a purely selfish motive to remove a problem hindering a worker from working.
I appreciate that Hollywood has an artistic narrative to pull off, when real life seldom gives us simple story arcs with clear exposition. Toying with the timeline to make things fit for a viewer is justified because entertainment is the motive more than information. However, in a historic film we have to be mindful of how we explain the past. Those old John Ford movies with the "cowboys and Indians" tropes were "just entertainment" but did lasting damage to how Native Americans were viewed and still are viewed today.
UH...IM SORRY THAT MOVIE DIDN'T PORTRAY EVEN A SCRATCH OF THE WICKEDNESS THAT WAS ALLOWED TO BLACK AMERICANS, LOOK AT WHAT HAPPENED DURING THE 60, AND 70S CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENTS. LOOK AT THE VIOLENCE THAT WAS DONE, YOU ARE MISTAKEN IF YOU THINK THESE AND WORSE HAPPENED TO BLACK AMERICANS
How about Katherine did not speak in the manner the actress spoke in the film, she spoke standard English without the stereotypical "lilt" given in the movie. Also, Hollywood would have never cast an actress with the same features and skin color as Katherine Johnson. Katherine couldn't even have played herself: "Oh no, she's not "black" enough.
It's a big fiction. Katherine Johnson did hand calculations to double check the crude IBM computers of the era. She did not invent any of the calculations or the physics. The movie is one big hoax. Orbital mechanics was understood for 50+ years before the Apollo program or NACA ( how it was named back then ). The Germans used the same formulas in WWII for the V2 rockets.
Thanks for this. I would hope that the movie would spur people to actually read the book it's based on to get the actual truth. I didn't see the movie, but started reading the book. What I was struck by was the actual number of women (Black and White) who worked on the space program at that time. It'll be interesting to see what else surprises me as I continue.
RIP Katherine. So some of this stretched the truth. What these strong and amazing woman accomplished is what matters. The movie is wonderful and my husband can tell you every time I watch it I'm totally glued to the TV.
My heart beats faster and happier knowing these lovely ladies worked so hard to accomplish the unbelievable act of that time. It is wonderful they had their gifts and talent to be part of the NASA exploration of Orbiting the Earth. What is outstanding in "Peggy Sue Got Married" when she told one of her classmates about the future of NASA July 20, 1969 reaching the moon - he mentioned they were 7 years ahead of schedule. That to me I thought about the "Hidden Figure" ladies and what they brought advancement due to their skills and talent. I feel blessed by these women's geniuses.
Talking to other NASA employees, they stated that the employees were international, so they HAD to be tolerant. NASA hires subject matter experts from all over.
As a middle age black woman I’m just glad that the film was made portraying black Women working for NSAS. Growing up I wanted to be an aerospace engineer and had no idea that there were black women working for NASA. What a difference my life if this movie was made when I was going up. This review is very condescending. Playing down the racism.
These women achieved what they did in the 50's and 60's. It's WAY easier now. Way easier. Some people say things haven't changed. Believe me...they've changed. A LOT!!!
S.R. Harding...that's because it wasn't mentioned in history , didn't want to give credit to blacks for their immense contributions to man on space. I'm sorry you missed your chance. Do you believe in reincarnation? ?💕
Don't you think that this proves how talented some movie producers can be? To cram a whole lot of information pertaining to such history into a 2 hour story worth watching?
Absolutely. Born in 1947, I was ten years old at the end of 1957 (and at the beginning of 1958 when my youngest brother was born) when the Sputnik stuff scared the hell out of America. I kept an eye on all of the US space program development for the next ten years until I watched the first human landing on the moon in 1968, only a few days before being sent to Vietnam. Consequently, I have some amount of first-hand knowledge of the country's space program--my point being I didn't need a comprehensive re-hash of the space program (nor does anyone else) to be able to understand and appreciate what these three women did and the social environment they had to do it in. What the Hidden Figures movie showed me in only 2 hours was what I WASN'T aware of 'back then', and for that I'm grateful to finally learn the rest of the story. I'm pleased to say I have personal knowledge of how smart these women were--not because I knew them personally but because, while I was in college in the early 1970s, I was steady-dating a young woman (only a couple of years younger than me) who was pursuing the same degree that I was: a B.S. in Computer Science. I will tell you she was my tutor for a lot of our mutual courses. For her elective courses, she took all the courses required for a B.A. degree in Mathematics, and made straight A's in all of them. Consequently, she graduated with two degrees while I graduated with only one. After that, interestingly, she went to work for NASA and worked on the Space Shuttle program. Yes, it takes special talent to be an engineer, but gender is not a hindrance--nor is race. In my own work experience, I worked with several extremely competent women engineers--one of whom was my supervisor. For a man, not only are women fun to marry, but they can be quite enjoyable to work with. (I'm sorry. I can't resist. Kamala Harris is in NO WAY close to being a good example.)
Most of your "wrong" facts aren't a big deal. So they put the women together and after integration in the area...not much of an issue. What I do have a problem with is your choice to refer to the dramatics of white people even after integration. White people, and I should know as I am white AND from the South, were still very cruel towards black people and made their lives hell if they could get away with it. I know y'all aren't Southern, but I didn't think y'all were clueless. These women, no matter what early decade they worked at NASA, changed History!
In the 50's and 60's it was white DEMOCRATS that were cruel towards black people in the south. The democrat party is the party of Jim Crow, racism, segregation and slavery (and they were cruel to Indians as well).
The upmost respect to those who lived during an era that made them tuck the lips in and tuck their tail between their legs. I don’t know how I could have stayed sane living like that.
Such a phenomenal film in of itself. I honestly didn't expect to like it as much as I did, but the second I finished viewing it, I immediately added it onto my favorites. It's absolutely worth the watch!! 😁
I think the tear down of the sign was actually fairly accurate to portray the fact that they ended segregation in that facility 6 years prior to it being ended everywhere else. Clearly the women made a name for themselves and proved how important they were leading up to it. Sure its not accurate but the truth is just as heartfelt and gets across the same message it a much shorter and easier to digest portrayal of the 10 years leading up to them ending segregation in the facility.
I agree. I also think it's a bit weird to attack it as a 'white savior' moment when arguably that had already happened at NASA, years earlier, on a far wider scale. The white people at NASA WERE less concerned with race than they were with getting the work done. But if anything, showing a workplace that was desegregated, already had a black female supervisor and engineer, and so on and so forth likely would have led to critics complaining it was either boring or made white people/NASA look too good.
As my college professor cousin ALWAYS points out to freshmen, NEVER watch a movie instead of researching and/or reading assigned books. For the last two decades the tried and true societal advancements and histories have been, and are this minute being besmirched; both openly and covertly re-written and/or dismissed. This is Most Egregiously evident in our once internationally envied public school systems.
Doesn't really take a college professor to know that though. Movies are made for entertainment and hardly ever for the purpose of accurately depicting a situation.
I would say the one exception to this rule would be watching Kenneth Branagh doing Shakespeare. We had our books out, watching his films and they were word for word following the play in our books. There was a couple of scenes left out, but they were small and somewhat irrelevant to us and could be easily read given how short they were.
As long there were as much truth as there were fiction I don’t care about the nitpicking of what’s wrong with this list. All that DOES matter is the story of 3 legendary women that done the impossible like other great women have done before, after, & the future!✊🏼✊🏾
Sam Foley This whole movie was about racism, if you try to ignore the whole movie because of one nice thing a fictional character did then you have to review your life choices.
Sam Foley I get what you’re saying it’s the overused “white savior” trope that majority of time isn’t true.Just look at Disney’s Pocahontas History=John Smith was a racist,rapist,pedophile . Disney=he helped bring peace between native Americans and the English.
But Katherine Johnson’s experience was somewhat similar to the bathroom scene though. Where she was originally unaware that the East Side bathrooms were segregated, and used the unlabeled "whites-only" bathrooms for years before anyone complained. She ignored the complaint, and the issue was dropped.
actually it did happen to the amazing lady who fought to study at the University. They just changed it to the main character for the movie. But Mary Johnson had to walk across campus to use a different bathroom. It was great the movie included this important issue as it was a genuine daily struggle and was great to represent this.
What I noticed at the end of the movie when they showed pictures of the real women, was that they were all light skinned. That rememinded me of my childhood because I d forgotten that light skinnd black women were often treated differently from dark skinned black women. My grandmother always said that even back in the days of slavery, light skinned women usually worked in the house or in jobs that weren't as backbreaking like field work. It's not that light skinned black people were treated really well, but they were often treated a little better.
I was raised a child during the 60s . My parents taught me to treat EVERYONE with the same respect I gave them , so I never got to see much racism as a child...
Glad I read the book first. Now that I have watched these clips, not interested in seeing the movie. I just learned today that Mrs. Johnson passed in February. I wish I had read this book sooner, I wish that history could be corrected and re-taught to those of us that grew up in the sixties, I wish it was required reading in our high schools. Amazing women in challenging times. Just read this phenomenal book!
So basically the real story is, a NASA employee that was a black woman did her job as a NASA employee and was really good at math. And there may have been something with the restrooms with some other girl she didn't really talk to. Rrrrriveting. Well at least we know why all the changes and fake scenarios were added.
Thanks for correcting the chronological errors in the movie, which obviously was poetic license for dramatization. I hate how so much racism is used in Hollywood that only further creates racial animosities through false narratives of history.
Of course Kevin Costner is based combination of different people of they couldn't use the actual person. There was people with those attitudes like that maybe not as bad as some people. Just because she didn't complain didn't mean she didn't experience none of it.
Number 7 was wrong. It's not that they fight allow women because they are women. They simply had jobs that didn't need the meetings. I read somewhere else saying that the real story is that it was said they dont usually go and even by the movie and by original story she didn't really have to push to get into the meeting. The boss already was saying it's ok because there was nothing against it. Like too much of this movie, a lot done wrong in pursuit of an agenda. Ironically, it's the Democrats who were still pushing segregation in the 50s. But they don't want to talk about that.
Of course they don't have to, but why shouldn't they? Explaining the historical facts doesn't take anything away from what these women actually did. Never be afraid of the truth, for the truth will set you free.
It's a movie about three plucky black female NASA engineers who faced systemic racism who in real life didn't actually face _any_ systemic racism. I'm so glad they "started a conversation" over a problem that never existed.
The car breaking down scene is mainly an exposition to present the characters, what was the atmosphere during the race to space against Russia happening during the cold war, and it was also a way to remind people that the 50s and 60s were segregated times and just how racist people were. The timeline being wrong can be excused due to the limited runtime. I do find it odd that the women were portrayed as close when they weren't, but then again, it was probably so the main characters had someone one else talk to, apart from their families. Kevin Costner's character is place holder because they didn't have the right to portray the real people, but also because as a story it's easier to follow. As for Jim Parsons' character, he might not have been real, but his sexist and racist mentality was. There were men at the time using woman's labor to publish under their own name. A lot of the untrue stuff can be either chalked up to cohesion choices or a desire to portray the 50s/60s as they were to these women of colour. Segregation didn't care for how highly educated you were, it was equally awful to every people of colour. The bathroom issue only serves to highlight that. I am white, so take it as you will, but I felt that the confrontation between Katherine and her boss was deserved. I'd never seen the issue addressed so bluntly before in a movie with white people looking visibly uncomfortable and ashamed. Segregation made normal bodily function gross and shameful, it showed how petty the whole race war in fact was. Seeing it addressed crudely in a room full of white men nicely dressed in suits felt vindicative, even to me. As for breaking down the sign, someone had to do it, and in the movie, they couldn't have a person of colour doing it or harsh consequences for the outburst of anger would have been expected as seen during the protests. I saw that scene has portraying what anyone with even a hint of empathy has wished to do at least once. I do not deny the fact that it can be viewed as another "white savior" moment, but when I watched it the first time, all it screamed to me is "Enough is enough, with this shit!" Bottom line is, this movie was about these three highly educated women, yes, but it was also a movie about people of colour in general, which explains a lot of the choices made with the scenario.
Gosh instead of dissecting & being negative let’s give this lady credit black white or in between she was a very clever lady & should be admired 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Honestly I don't like the fact that Katherine who is suppose to be something of a role model or marker in black American history basically looks white. Like the only way you'd know for sure that she's African American is because of the darker complexion of her relatives. For all we know she could have had things a little easier because of her very light complexion. She's not very representative. And I think it kinda plays into colourism. I mean Katherine in the movie is of a darker complexion
thanks for correction, but still like movie version better. more emotional. however recently katherine died at 101 so its giid this video exists to correct therecord
This film is why it is better to see a documentary than a glammed up Hollywood movie. There are many examples of historical facts being manipulated to ensure a payday for the producers. Viewers believe the distorted screenplay is true to life and it is not.
The movie was not a documentary, it was a fictional retelling of events. The fact that some of them were created should be expected. With that said there was enough truth in it that it was beautiful. Especially Colonel Glenn refusing to go into space unless Katherine Johnson confirmed the numbers. That speaks volumes to me.
People are so tetchy about the amount of racism in this movie. Yes, people may have treated Katherine pretty well for the time; people are people, it’s possible there were some white people in that time who were less racist, likely a few that weren’t racist at all. That doesn’t take away from the fact that the majority feeling among white people was a racist one and she probably dealt with plenty of shit outside of NASA. 1. The movie had a story it wanted to tell and 2. They probably were showing the racism at NASA as a way to cover both racism and the main events if the film in less scenes as opposed to having limited racism scenes at NASA and extra scene depicting the racism. It’s not that fucking hard guy.
I work for NASA Ames Research Center as a Quality Analysts for twenty one years. I started in the year of 1982. Racism and bigotry was a hidden projectile in many departments throughout. Slightly but present, we had to be better then the so called white circle or groups.There were several redress of legal grievances filed quietly against some departments. The movie is that far off in pointing out the conditions that people had to work. I was the third so called black person in the department which I worked.
The Movie is fantastic; it brings the forgotten history alive, and thats all i care💯💯💯 Those three women were wonderful despite the challenges they racially faced 💯💯💯💯
@@kgrimes4934 she didnt face the real racism true blacks faced in that time. Dark skinned blacks were treated 1000x worse than the lighter skinned like her. IDIOT
@Easter Worshipper okay. I know the movie took some dramatic liberties in the racism Katheirne and the others experienced. The point of this movie wasn't really ment to demonstrate the direct racism that Katherine and the others experienced it was more of so the indirect racism that happened with the fact that for years their important work for NASA was virtually unknown. Also just because she didn't experience segragation doesn't mean she didn't experience racism.
Amazing movie , i have seen it many times and will keep on many more times , thank you to those american girls , The United States of America Thanks you, ❤️🇺🇸❤️🇺🇸❤️🇺🇸❤️
movies always change and add in events for dramatic purposes. however, just because a law is put in place doesn’t change the hearts and actions of people.
When making a movie like this one, things need to be adjusted to make the movie flow. Time line is the biggest issue to conquer. You can't make one movie that covers decades as well as 3 main characters in a regular length movie. I think they did a very good job getting the story out with correct information on the facts. The actual time line can be discovered when people research the facts. There have been many movies done that tell the story of people that have had to condense the real time of the story. The movie "Radio" is one that comes to mind. I have read and heard more comments from people saying they never knew about these historical figures. I think the movie accomplished it's goal in letting the world know about them, as well as being entertaining. Katherine's mind was an exceptional one. I wish I had had just a fraction of her brilliance. Numbers and I don't get along very well 😊. I really love this movie and recommend people watch it. RIP Katherine. The world will now remember you. 🇨🇦
I would like to know who told the lady telling us this information. Segregation didn’t truly end until 1969. Martin Luther King was killed in 1968. Smh
She was talking about Langley and how when they got taken over by NASA they supposedly got rid of segregation. I dont think she knows about history her people never lived
the real katharine stated she didnt experience racism segregation so the fact that they put it so much in this film is feeding u a narrative What a coincidence this film came out in 2016
She didn’t experience it at work because everybody had an important job to do, however u do know civil rights movements were just starting right so that means racism was still a big thing and she was light skin, so they most likely tolerated her a little more, have a good day and I hope u prosper and do good things in life😊❤️
#4. Katherine plotted the landing @ 5.0667 N & 77.3333 W ( which should be written 5 deg, 7 min, 7 sec N & 77 deg, 33 mi, 33 sec W) which lands him almost on the beach in Colombia, not the Bahamas. Yes/No?
From what I know about automobiles, the 57 Chevy that was used early in the movie can not be started by simply bypassing the starter,that would be impossible as it is in fact what does start an engine.
Regardless of 100% accuracy. It still is a movie that depicts the reality of the time and the extraordinary minds that were overlooked and are still overlooked because of color or gender or race or anything else people want to divide us with.❤
Can anyone recommend similar movies? I'm trying to love my engineering degree even tho it highlight 😂 my stupidity With the same struggles since goodness the struggles here hits so close to home and also the right fun stuff. Tia ❤️
A THOUGHT FROM A BLACK AMERICAN. I find it amazing when there a black American film based on reality. How white America scrutinized these movies to the umpteenth degree. If White America would allow black American history to be taught to our children, we wouldn't have to learn about black American history through our movies. As a black man I was taught about the Magna Carter. But nothing about the Tuskegee Airman. Why is that? The white supremacist in our nation is petrified in regard to black excellence. A thought from a black American.
RIP to the incredible Katherine Johnson. ❤️💞
It was a lost to the world. RIP.
she's a legend
MsMojo The best of all of us we will never forget her dedication and hard work I have said it once and I will say it again I am proud to Be Black
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Does it really matter how many thats Hidden Figure got 8 things wrong? It's a great film and it shouldn't be criticized for being (according to this list) 20% truthful about segregation at NASA. It doesn't matter a character was created out of fiction, so long as that character makes you believe their world and experiences, are fact. Also RIP Katherine Johnson!
so sad to hear of her death she will always be remembered as the great lady that she was
The fact Glenn refuses to fly unless Katherine checks the numbers speaks volumes about how much he respected her as a NASA colleague
Also shows he trusted her alot more than the men. He knew she knew what she was doing.
John Glenn was a good man. And how he treated Ms. Johnson made him even a greater man.
Just because you don't want to die is NOT a show of respect. That said, it doesn't mean that he didn't respect her, but a Klansman would want a person of color to use a fire extinguisher if he was on fire.
@@ronm3535 , exactly.
Hence the sentence "get the girl to do it", and not "get Katherine to do it".
@@sansiang - "The girl" 🤦🏽♂️ I hear you Liew. I hear you.
First, RIP Katherine Johnson. This was a lovely way to honor her on the day of her passing at 101.
Second, as a life-long amateur historian, I was originally embarrassed that I did not know the story of these ladies prior to the moving coming out. Then I heard an interview with the author of the book the movie is based on and she stated that few knew about the accomplishments of these three ladies because they didn't think that they were anything special. They all just saw themselves as doing a job, just like everyone else at NASA. I am glad that their story got out before Katherine Johnson's passing.
They WEREN'T anything special, and they WERE just doing a job like anyone else at NASA, and their so-called contributions to space travel have been WILDLY blown out of proportion because we're apparently doing that with every black person in history now. If a black guy was an assistant-janitor at General Electric in the 1924, then fast forward to 2024 and he's the credited as the inventor of electricity. Lather, rinse, repeat. It's pathetic. This movie was pathetic, and about 99% fictional.
I'm glad she got recognized by the president before her passing. For all her recognition she was present and well to received them. What an awesome lady!
My favourite quote from hidden figures:
“Here at NASA, we all pee the same color.” 😂
This is even funnier because pee comes in a few shades too😂😂
@@aprilkayydatsme7503 but we all have those shades when peeing lol
so your favorite quote is one from a made up scene to have a white savior? i guess you like the white savior moments in these movies.
So cringy
It’s true
Katherine Johnson is an alumni of my college. We have a statue here of her❤️
That is cool!
She’s my main inspiration
@@benmuirhead4229 definitely an incredible woman
@@hodgesic absolutely!
Praise God for giving us Katherine and Countless others like her. Amen.
As a future B.S. in mathematics, another thing that Hidden Figures got factually right was the use of "Euler's Method" to approximate the elliptical orbit (let's call it the "stuck orbit"), in order to come up with the parabola that would return the astronaut safely back home.
Yeah but i guess not whatbshe wrote on the blackboard😊
She said racism “didn’t affect her much” doesn’t mean she didn’t experience it. But hey, I get it.
Probably said, "Affect."
I noticed that as well and also how the MsMojo team tried to downplay the very real racism that existed and still exists. In addition to everyone being focused on a mission, she also may not have felt it as much due to her being fairly passable.
sampa2nyc Exactly
Why should it, she practically look white, light skin, mixed race. But Hollywood darker her.negroid weren’t allowed, no dark-skin cus black school even don’t allow dark skin.
@@kemi7689 I was going to comment this. She was light skinned so more tolerated.
Katherine Goble Johnson. Mathematician, Mother, Wife, Hero, Bad-Ass, Legendary.👩🏾🏫📚✏️📐🚀🌌
I still love this movie, regardless of what was fiction and what was fact.
Thank you. Message was put out perfectly
Amen to that 😆
Totally agree. I'm a teacher from Argentina and i'm projecting this film in one of my classes to encourage my students to aim high, specially the women among them.
The fact of the matter is, they would have never gotten to the moon if it weren't for those three Black women. THEY ran NASA. End of story.
This was as accurate as most historical movies.
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Its a movie not a documentary. Who cares about detail accuracy, they nailed the overall message.
some of those facts were very important to know, we can appreciate the movie while knowing the facts about the chronology and other facts that were off.
Exactly
Iv got a school project on this rn, thats the only thing its good for lmao
Well you can call it historical film if you distortion truth to make white people look as heroes
It even says “BASED” on true events
I actually think that the 'white savior' moment could be viewed a different way. It wasn't for racial issues that the character did it. He was simply pissed off that a racial issue made his team less efficient (he IS an engineer) and he set about fixing a problem that was wasting time.
He even said, 'Use any bathroom you want, preferably closer to your desk'...signaling that he didn't really do this for civil rights, but just to stop wasting time and talent...(which is really the result of any racism).
It's still baloney and it's not how NASA operated at that time.
So it's rather offensive, to me at least, to see NASA scientists portrayed as racist bigots and macho men all around, when the author herself explained it didn't happen that way in the slightest.
There was mutual respect.
And, YES, Langley is in Virginia, with all it entailed at the time.
But, for the sake of heaven, let's stop with this black and white view of history.
That scene was unnecessary. As were many others.
Still a great movie, though.
@@balvsmalvs5425HOW DARE YOU ATTEMPT TO WASH AWAY HISTORY BECAUSE YOU ARE EMBARRASSED AND ASHAMED OF ALL THE EVIL RACISM THAT WAS DONE TO BLACK AMERICANS. THIS MOVIE DIDN'T SHOW HALF OF THE RACISM BLACK AMERICANS FOUGHT. AND YES THERE WAS RACISM IN EVERY INSTITUTION IN AMERICA DURING THAT TIME PERIOD. IT IS ACCURATE, THERE WERE WHITES ONLY BATHROOMS , BLACKS DID GET CREDIT STOLEN FROM THEM. AND ACTUALLY, THINGS WAS MUCH WORSE THAN THIS MOVIE.
The only "racial issues" that has EVER made a stem field less efficient is affirmative action.
I agree. It wasn't a "white saviour" moment - he was never bothered by it before Katherine started disappearing and causing his work to get held up. So it was a purely selfish motive to remove a problem hindering a worker from working.
@@mezzogal You know how it was a white savior moment? Because the guy who directed the movie and the scene said it was.
I appreciate that Hollywood has an artistic narrative to pull off, when real life seldom gives us simple story arcs with clear exposition. Toying with the timeline to make things fit for a viewer is justified because entertainment is the motive more than information. However, in a historic film we have to be mindful of how we explain the past. Those old John Ford movies with the "cowboys and Indians" tropes were "just entertainment" but did lasting damage to how Native Americans were viewed and still are viewed today.
UH...IM SORRY THAT MOVIE DIDN'T PORTRAY EVEN A SCRATCH OF THE WICKEDNESS THAT WAS ALLOWED TO BLACK AMERICANS, LOOK AT WHAT HAPPENED DURING THE 60, AND 70S CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENTS. LOOK AT THE VIOLENCE THAT WAS DONE, YOU ARE MISTAKEN IF YOU THINK THESE AND WORSE HAPPENED TO BLACK AMERICANS
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This will always go down as one of my top favorite movies
@Qin Fujiwara to most it is a great movie. To people like you barr humbug.
How about Katherine did not speak in the manner the actress spoke in the film, she spoke standard English without the stereotypical "lilt" given in the movie. Also, Hollywood would have never cast an actress with the same features and skin color as Katherine Johnson. Katherine couldn't even have played herself: "Oh no, she's not "black" enough.
Katherine Johnson was a trailblazer and she will be missed.
It's a big fiction. Katherine Johnson did hand calculations to double check the crude IBM computers of the era. She did not invent any of the calculations or the physics. The movie is one big hoax. Orbital mechanics was understood for 50+ years before the Apollo program or NACA ( how it was named back then ). The Germans used the same formulas in WWII for the V2 rockets.
Thanks for this. I would hope that the movie would spur people to actually read the book it's based on to get the actual truth. I didn't see the movie, but started reading the book. What I was struck by was the actual number of women (Black and White) who worked on the space program at that time. It'll be interesting to see what else surprises me as I continue.
RIP Katherine. So some of this stretched the truth. What these strong and amazing woman accomplished is what matters. The movie is wonderful and my husband can tell you every time I watch it I'm totally glued to the TV.
My heart beats faster and happier knowing these lovely ladies worked so hard to accomplish the unbelievable act of that time. It is wonderful they had their gifts and talent to be part of the NASA exploration of Orbiting the Earth. What is outstanding in "Peggy Sue Got Married" when she told one of her classmates about the future of NASA July 20, 1969 reaching the moon - he mentioned they were 7 years ahead of schedule. That to me I thought about the "Hidden Figure" ladies and what they brought advancement due to their skills and talent. I feel blessed by these women's geniuses.
@@angelacarleton9575Lol.
Talking to other NASA employees, they stated that the employees were international, so they HAD to be tolerant. NASA hires subject matter experts from all over.
Probably because NASA had a connection with the Military which had also been de-segregated by the 1950's
Great movie, great acting, and such a fantastic story - even the real one.
As a middle age black woman I’m just glad that the film was made portraying black
Women working for NSAS. Growing up I wanted to be an aerospace engineer and had no idea that there were black women working for NASA. What a difference my life if this movie was made when I was going up. This review is very condescending. Playing down the racism.
These women achieved what they did in the 50's and 60's. It's WAY easier now. Way easier. Some people say things haven't changed. Believe me...they've changed. A LOT!!!
I live in the DC area and worked in the financial industry which is dominated by men and it really hasn’t.
@@kasession why should I believe you.
@@terejosh13 It really doesn't matter to me whether you believe me. I know I've experienced the changes.
S.R. Harding...that's because it wasn't mentioned in history , didn't want to give credit to blacks for their immense contributions to man on space. I'm sorry you missed your chance. Do you believe in reincarnation? ?💕
Don't you think that this proves how talented some movie producers can be? To cram a whole lot of information pertaining to such history into a 2 hour story worth watching?
My sentiments, exactly. I'm KGJ's daughter. Thanks to all of you who get the message!
Absolutely. Born in 1947, I was ten years old at the end of 1957 (and at the beginning of 1958 when my youngest brother was born) when the Sputnik stuff scared the hell out of America. I kept an eye on all of the US space program development for the next ten years until I watched the first human landing on the moon in 1968, only a few days before being sent to Vietnam. Consequently, I have some amount of first-hand knowledge of the country's space program--my point being I didn't need a comprehensive re-hash of the space program (nor does anyone else) to be able to understand and appreciate what these three women did and the social environment they had to do it in. What the Hidden Figures movie showed me in only 2 hours was what I WASN'T aware of 'back then', and for that I'm grateful to finally learn the rest of the story. I'm pleased to say I have personal knowledge of how smart these women were--not because I knew them personally but because, while I was in college in the early 1970s, I was steady-dating a young woman (only a couple of years younger than me) who was pursuing the same degree that I was: a B.S. in Computer Science. I will tell you she was my tutor for a lot of our mutual courses. For her elective courses, she took all the courses required for a B.A. degree in Mathematics, and made straight A's in all of them. Consequently, she graduated with two degrees while I graduated with only one. After that, interestingly, she went to work for NASA and worked on the Space Shuttle program. Yes, it takes special talent to be an engineer, but gender is not a hindrance--nor is race. In my own work experience, I worked with several extremely competent women engineers--one of whom was my supervisor. For a man, not only are women fun to marry, but they can be quite enjoyable to work with. (I'm sorry. I can't resist. Kamala Harris is in NO WAY close to being a good example.)
Most of your "wrong" facts aren't a big deal. So they put the women together and after integration in the area...not much of an issue. What I do have a problem with is your choice to refer to the dramatics of white people even after integration. White people, and I should know as I am white AND from the South, were still very cruel towards black people and made their lives hell if they could get away with it. I know y'all aren't Southern, but I didn't think y'all were clueless. These women, no matter what early decade they worked at NASA, changed History!
Kasey McCarver thank you!!!
@@Blknamor 😊😊😊
Many people confuse fictional films from documentaries.
In the 50's and 60's it was white DEMOCRATS that were cruel towards black people in the south. The democrat party is the party of Jim Crow, racism, segregation and slavery (and they were cruel to Indians as well).
lots of white guilt in this post.
The upmost respect to those who lived during an era that made them tuck the lips in and tuck their tail between their legs. I don’t know how I could have stayed sane living like that.
Such a phenomenal film in of itself. I honestly didn't expect to like it as much as I did, but the second I finished viewing it, I immediately added it onto my favorites.
It's absolutely worth the watch!! 😁
I think the tear down of the sign was actually fairly accurate to portray the fact that they ended segregation in that facility 6 years prior to it being ended everywhere else. Clearly the women made a name for themselves and proved how important they were leading up to it. Sure its not accurate but the truth is just as heartfelt and gets across the same message it a much shorter and easier to digest portrayal of the 10 years leading up to them ending segregation in the facility.
I agree. I also think it's a bit weird to attack it as a 'white savior' moment when arguably that had already happened at NASA, years earlier, on a far wider scale. The white people at NASA WERE less concerned with race than they were with getting the work done. But if anything, showing a workplace that was desegregated, already had a black female supervisor and engineer, and so on and so forth likely would have led to critics complaining it was either boring or made white people/NASA look too good.
RIP Katherine Jackson. You are now truly among the stars.
You meant Johnson
As my college professor cousin ALWAYS points out to freshmen, NEVER watch a movie instead of researching and/or reading assigned books.
For the last two decades the tried and true societal advancements and histories have been, and are this minute being besmirched; both openly and covertly re-written and/or dismissed.
This is Most Egregiously evident in our once internationally envied public school systems.
Doesn't really take a college professor to know that though. Movies are made for entertainment and hardly ever for the purpose of accurately depicting a situation.
I would say the one exception to this rule would be watching Kenneth Branagh doing Shakespeare. We had our books out, watching his films and they were word for word following the play in our books. There was a couple of scenes left out, but they were small and somewhat irrelevant to us and could be easily read given how short they were.
I can't believe one of them just died today. 😔
She will be missed. ⚰️
@Qin4 DaWin Huh? 😕
@Qin4 DaWin So you're saying that the film is trying to say that women are smarter than men?
As long there were as much truth as there were fiction I don’t care about the nitpicking of what’s wrong with this list.
All that DOES matter is the story of 3 legendary women that done the impossible like other great women have done before, after, & the future!✊🏼✊🏾
Because it's not real. Do you value objective truth or not?
I dont think mentioning that nasa was not segregated is a nitpick
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Nooooo....the bathroom scene didn’t happen 😰that was my favorite scene
Sam Foley This whole movie was about racism, if you try to ignore the whole movie because of one nice thing a fictional character did then you have to review your life choices.
Sam Foley I get what you’re saying it’s the overused “white savior” trope that majority of time isn’t true.Just look at Disney’s Pocahontas
History=John Smith was a racist,rapist,pedophile .
Disney=he helped bring peace between native Americans and the English.
But Katherine Johnson’s experience was somewhat similar to the bathroom scene though. Where she was originally unaware that the East Side bathrooms were segregated, and used the unlabeled "whites-only" bathrooms for years before anyone complained. She ignored the complaint, and the issue was dropped.
actually it did happen to the amazing lady who fought to study at the University. They just changed it to the main character for the movie. But Mary Johnson had to walk across campus to use a different bathroom. It was great the movie included this important issue as it was a genuine daily struggle and was great to represent this.
@@kxd3064 Mary Jackson** but thank you for your comment. I 100% agree.
What I noticed at the end of the movie when they showed pictures of the real women, was that they were all light skinned. That rememinded me of my childhood because I d forgotten that light skinnd black women were often treated differently from dark skinned black women. My grandmother always said that even back in the days of slavery, light skinned women usually worked in the house or in jobs that weren't as backbreaking like field work. It's not that light skinned black people were treated really well, but they were often treated a little better.
True.
RIP Katherine you are truly a legend
I was raised a child during the 60s . My parents taught me to treat EVERYONE with the same respect I gave them , so I never got to see much racism as a child...
This was a awesome movie 🎥 ❤️ I enjoyed every moment of it she was awesome woman and she get us into space RIP😇
Twisted up history, making it up is worse than forgetting it.
RIP Katherine Johnson I highly admired you.
Glad I read the book first. Now that I have watched these clips, not interested in seeing the movie. I just learned today that Mrs. Johnson passed in February. I wish I had read this book sooner, I wish that history could be corrected and re-taught to those of us that grew up in the sixties, I wish it was required reading in our high schools. Amazing women in challenging times. Just read this phenomenal book!
Same title as the movie?
Great info! TY! Though I knew that I wasn’t watching a documentary...great movie, even if the facts were not as exact as Katherine Johnson’s numbers !
According to a former NASA employee that talked to our school he said it was very inaccurate
I read the book and if they went “by the book “ the movie would be six hours long.
So basically the real story is, a NASA employee that was a black woman did her job as a NASA employee and was really good at math. And there may have been something with the restrooms with some other girl she didn't really talk to. Rrrrriveting. Well at least we know why all the changes and fake scenarios were added.
Thanks for correcting the chronological errors in the movie, which obviously was poetic license for dramatization. I hate how so much racism is used in Hollywood that only further creates racial animosities through false narratives of history.
Thanks for the explanation. For me it changes the value. Still very good acting for all the main characters.
Of course Kevin Costner is based combination of different people of they couldn't use the actual person. There was people with those attitudes like that maybe not as bad as some people. Just because she didn't complain didn't mean she didn't experience none of it.
Number 7 was wrong. It's not that they fight allow women because they are women.
They simply had jobs that didn't need the meetings. I read somewhere else saying that the real story is that it was said they dont usually go and even by the movie and by original story she didn't really have to push to get into the meeting. The boss already was saying it's ok because there was nothing against it.
Like too much of this movie, a lot done wrong in pursuit of an agenda.
Ironically, it's the Democrats who were still pushing segregation in the 50s. But they don't want to talk about that.
Thank you for setting it straight
The movie didn’t say “documentary” so you guys don’t have to say what they did right and what they did wrong.
Of course they don't have to, but why shouldn't they? Explaining the historical facts doesn't take anything away from what these women actually did. Never be afraid of the truth, for the truth will set you free.
It's a movie about three plucky black female NASA engineers who faced systemic racism who in real life didn't actually face _any_ systemic racism. I'm so glad they "started a conversation" over a problem that never existed.
Just because someone said that “ racism” did not effect them in a workplace does not mean there wasn’t any in their place of employment.
The car breaking down scene is mainly an exposition to present the characters, what was the atmosphere during the race to space against Russia happening during the cold war, and it was also a way to remind people that the 50s and 60s were segregated times and just how racist people were.
The timeline being wrong can be excused due to the limited runtime.
I do find it odd that the women were portrayed as close when they weren't, but then again, it was probably so the main characters had someone one else talk to, apart from their families.
Kevin Costner's character is place holder because they didn't have the right to portray the real people, but also because as a story it's easier to follow.
As for Jim Parsons' character, he might not have been real, but his sexist and racist mentality was. There were men at the time using woman's labor to publish under their own name.
A lot of the untrue stuff can be either chalked up to cohesion choices or a desire to portray the 50s/60s as they were to these women of colour. Segregation didn't care for how highly educated you were, it was equally awful to every people of colour. The bathroom issue only serves to highlight that. I am white, so take it as you will, but I felt that the confrontation between Katherine and her boss was deserved. I'd never seen the issue addressed so bluntly before in a movie with white people looking visibly uncomfortable and ashamed. Segregation made normal bodily function gross and shameful, it showed how petty the whole race war in fact was. Seeing it addressed crudely in a room full of white men nicely dressed in suits felt vindicative, even to me.
As for breaking down the sign, someone had to do it, and in the movie, they couldn't have a person of colour doing it or harsh consequences for the outburst of anger would have been expected as seen during the protests. I saw that scene has portraying what anyone with even a hint of empathy has wished to do at least once. I do not deny the fact that it can be viewed as another "white savior" moment, but when I watched it the first time, all it screamed to me is "Enough is enough, with this shit!"
Bottom line is, this movie was about these three highly educated women, yes, but it was also a movie about people of colour in general, which explains a lot of the choices made with the scenario.
Gosh instead of dissecting & being negative let’s give this lady credit black white or in between she was a very clever lady & should be admired 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
This is one amazing film. Factually right or wrong, this movie is great! Janelle Monáe was terrific!
Thank you! This should have been part of the DVD. The comments need to be discussed.
the jussie smollett of movies
Honestly I don't like the fact that Katherine who is suppose to be something of a role model or marker in black American history basically looks white. Like the only way you'd know for sure that she's African American is because of the darker complexion of her relatives. For all we know she could have had things a little easier because of her very light complexion. She's not very representative. And I think it kinda plays into colourism. I mean Katherine in the movie is of a darker complexion
thanks for correction, but still like movie version better. more emotional. however recently katherine died at 101 so its giid this video exists to correct therecord
This film is why it is better to see a documentary than a glammed up Hollywood movie. There are many examples of historical facts being manipulated to ensure a payday for the producers. Viewers believe the distorted screenplay is true to life and it is not.
I just learned Kathrine Johnson died today, at age 101. And no, I didn't see it in the comments.
David Ray I learned it from the watchmojo comment at the top then I looked it up I was shocked!!
#4 made this whole video worth watching for me.
I watched this movie again a week ago for a class.
It shows the Zeitgeist of that time, and the real achievements of these real historic people.
Imagine that, Hollywood drumming up racism more than what it was...
This was such an amazing movie
Ikr it’s one of my favorite movies of all time
The movie was not a documentary, it was a fictional retelling of events. The fact that some of them were created should be expected. With that said there was enough truth in it that it was beautiful. Especially Colonel Glenn refusing to go into space unless Katherine Johnson confirmed the numbers. That speaks volumes to me.
People are so tetchy about the amount of racism in this movie. Yes, people may have treated Katherine pretty well for the time; people are people, it’s possible there were some white people in that time who were less racist, likely a few that weren’t racist at all. That doesn’t take away from the fact that the majority feeling among white people was a racist one and she probably dealt with plenty of shit outside of NASA. 1. The movie had a story it wanted to tell and 2. They probably were showing the racism at NASA as a way to cover both racism and the main events if the film in less scenes as opposed to having limited racism scenes at NASA and extra scene depicting the racism. It’s not that fucking hard guy.
Hi oh my gosh I can’t believe I am early
Can't believe those NASA guys in the 1950 to 1960s are using only a slide rule and a standard calculator as big as a typewriter...😂😂😂
That was sooo cool when he says -the smart one, if she says they're good I'm ready to go!
never let the facts spoil a good story
Kathryn Johnson wouldn’t have experience racism the way that Mary and the others with darker skin would have.
I don't care that some of these things are wrong... I just love this movie so much
y’all realize this is just the how of videos they do. It’s not an attack on the movie. It just fun to know the little things that were different
Hidden figures needs to be its own genre
Nah it's trash
I work for NASA Ames Research Center as a Quality Analysts for twenty one years. I started in the year of 1982. Racism and bigotry was a hidden projectile in many departments throughout. Slightly but present, we had to be better then the so called white circle or groups.There were several redress of legal grievances filed quietly against some departments. The movie is that far off in pointing out the conditions that people had to work. I was the third so called black person in the department which I worked.
Big salutes to you brother...I can only imagine the many accomplishments as well as the sacrifices made in order to make those accomplishments
There is no “factually right or wrong” in a movie, there is only Hollywood.
People act like racism stopped with segregation ending.😅
conclusion...the movie is a feel good lie about the conditions at nasa.
The Movie is fantastic; it brings the forgotten history alive, and thats all i care💯💯💯 Those three women were wonderful despite the challenges they racially faced 💯💯💯💯
Katherine was very light skinned.. very light ..
That didn't matter when this movie took place
Not very. Trying to make her white? Light skinned she was but both her parents were black. I am also light skinned unlike my siblings.
@@kgrimes4934 she didnt face the real racism true blacks faced in that time. Dark skinned blacks were treated 1000x worse than the lighter skinned like her. IDIOT
@Easter Worshipper okay. I know the movie took some dramatic liberties in the racism Katheirne and the others experienced. The point of this movie wasn't really ment to demonstrate the direct racism that Katherine and the others experienced it was more of so the indirect racism that happened with the fact that for years their important work for NASA was virtually unknown. Also just because she didn't experience segragation doesn't mean she didn't experience racism.
Amazing movie , i have seen it many times and will keep on many more times , thank you to those american girls , The United States of America Thanks you, ❤️🇺🇸❤️🇺🇸❤️🇺🇸❤️
It's a crying shame that even today racism still exists. This is not what the Lord Almighty intended This to be.
Hidden Figures is my favourite movie 🍿
When USA learn:true storys is The Best Story?
Never.
movies always change and add in events for dramatic purposes. however, just because a law is put in place doesn’t change the hearts and actions of people.
When making a movie like this one, things need to be adjusted to make the movie flow. Time line is the biggest issue to conquer. You can't make one movie that covers decades as well as 3 main characters in a regular length movie. I think they did a very good job getting the story out with correct information on the facts. The actual time line can be discovered when people research the facts.
There have been many movies done that tell the story of people that have had to condense the real time of the story. The movie "Radio" is one that comes to mind.
I have read and heard more comments from people saying they never knew about these historical figures. I think the movie accomplished it's goal in letting the world know about them, as well as being entertaining.
Katherine's mind was an exceptional one. I wish I had had just a fraction of her brilliance. Numbers and I don't get along very well 😊. I really love this movie and recommend people watch it.
RIP Katherine. The world will now remember you. 🇨🇦
Wheb the real person said she didnt feel any segregation...but the film did it like this is due to propaganda
I would like to know who told the lady telling us this information. Segregation didn’t truly end until 1969. Martin Luther King was killed in 1968. Smh
She was talking about Langley and how when they got taken over by NASA they supposedly got rid of segregation. I dont think she knows about history her people never lived
The cop scene was only made to pound another racism nail.
That's good, loved the Movie, but also makes it open to make a more closer to what really happend movie.
What a way to ruin the movie
the real katharine stated she didnt experience racism segregation so the fact that they put it so much in this film is feeding u a narrative What a coincidence this film came out in 2016
She didn’t experience it at work because everybody had an important job to do, however u do know civil rights movements were just starting right so that means racism was still a big thing and she was light skin, so they most likely tolerated her a little more, have a good day and I hope u prosper and do good things in life😊❤️
#4. Katherine plotted the landing @ 5.0667 N & 77.3333 W ( which should be written 5 deg, 7 min, 7 sec N & 77 deg, 33 mi, 33 sec W) which lands him almost on the beach in Colombia, not the Bahamas. Yes/No?
R.I.P Mrs. Johnson
I'm shocked that this movie has more wrong than right. At least the movie is good.
From what I know about automobiles, the 57 Chevy that was used early in the movie can not be started by simply bypassing the starter,that would be impossible as it is in fact what does start an engine.
You can jump the starter solenoid with a screwdriver..however that's alongside the block near the bellhousing..the battery deal here is Hollywood
Do we care? It's a movie.
@@joylettehylick8614 Obviously you don't, so continue to watch any movie never ever caring anything about being educated.
if i were have a brain like them and being treated like shit, i will put my talent into business
Regardless of 100% accuracy. It still is a movie that depicts the reality of the time and the extraordinary minds that were overlooked and are still overlooked because of color or gender or race or anything else people want to divide us with.❤
Can anyone recommend similar movies?
I'm trying to love my engineering degree even tho it highlight 😂 my stupidity
With the same struggles since goodness the struggles here hits so close to home and also the right fun stuff.
Tia ❤️
Something the lord has made is about a black man who revolutionizes medicine it stars mos def its really good
Sad to hear the bathroom sign clip isn’t real. Would’ve been cool to see a high ranking official have the balls to do that.
A THOUGHT FROM A BLACK AMERICAN. I find it amazing when there a black American film based on reality. How white America scrutinized these movies to the umpteenth degree. If White America would allow black American history to be taught to our children, we wouldn't have to learn about black American history through our movies. As a black man I was taught about the Magna Carter. But nothing about the Tuskegee Airman. Why is that? The white supremacist in our nation is petrified in regard to black excellence. A thought from a black American.