Why the more expensive Magnepan is not better? Comparing 3 Magnepan speakers.
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Great video Thomas ! Having worked around Magnepan speakers for more than 3 years, I can confirm you are 95 percent spot on with your comments. Lower Models are not technically "lower model" - Contrary to common belief. When Magnepan brought the LRS to market, they were very adamant about the fact that the LRS is a "true audiophile speaker" despite the cost.
I called marketing BS right away but after many many hours of testing, I agreed fully; The LRS is actually harder to drive than the .7 and hence requires high quality high current amplifiers. (don't be mistaken, they all need high-current but LRS especially). Yes, according to them... they lost somewhere around $50 per unit sold.
This forces the user to spend more money on the amplifiers. According to Magnepan (not my words) LRS was a "marketing product" where they were selling at a loss to put more magnepans in more rooms around the world. Imagine the profit magnepan would make if they sold a matching amplifier, a missed opportunity imho BUT I do respect the fact that they do not force to stretch their expertise for money grabs. Amplifier companies should be thankful to Magnepan LOL, they are money makers for amplifier companies.
Only 95%!!🤣🤣🤣 It is crazy they lost money for each unit sold but LRS truly did have a significant impact on the market. Yeah, you definitely got to hear the Maggies in all it's glory.
Jay have you reviewed the new LRS+ ? They did a price bump up tot $1k and the ribbons/dimensions were slightly changed. The prior shop that you used to work at did an interview with them but TBH I really didn't learn anything technical about the speakers on what was "better" about the new one.
@@aceofspades6667 it would be an interesting comparison. Is the sound 350 bucks better? Seems they are priced more correctly.
@@ThomasAndStereo well I left out the 5% just to be safe HAHA
There is my Magnepan upgrade guide! Thank you so much Thomas!
Magnepans are not what I'd call difficult to drive speakers however -with their resistive load characteristics - they should be the easy to drive speakers!
With a resistive type of load you systematically convert electricity into heat. The thing is that with their 4 ohms and low sensitivity - they need a constant supply of power.
Hi Thomas. Great video! I am a former owner of Magnepan 1.7i. First I must tell you that I, for a long time, was in denial over whether the 1.7i needs a sub. I resisted and resisted. Finally I added a pair of REL T/9i subs to my 1.7is. OMG! They were revolutionary with the Maggies! Maggies without subs don’t have any percussion to them. There is no bass slam and they don’t move any air. But with the RELs. OMG, the combo of 1.7i and REL. T/9i became full range monsters! Totally outstanding. PLEASE, get yourself a pair of subs and add them to a set of Maggies. You will see what I mean. Bottom line: IMO Maggie 1.7i and lower need subs. They just do. The benefits are enormous. Next: amps. I initially started using a pair of Schiit Vidars with the 1.7i. No good. I played Jeff Beck loud and one of them went into thermal protection. I then replaced the Schiit with a pair of Bryston 4B3 set in bridge mode to use as monoblocks. They matched up well with the 1.7i and no problems. Those are probably good enough. I later came upon a deal to upgrade to a pair of Bryston 28B3 monoblocks. Those are end game for any Maggies. Unlimited headroom and dynamics are no issue. So I sold my Maggies because I had two rigs and needed to downsize. The speakers that stayed are a pair of Magico A3. But I miss the Maggies. So I was thinking of getting either a pair of LRS+ or a pair of the 0.7 because they are smaller than the 1.7i and I could easily move them into position and then out of the way when not in use. I like the detailed sound and it sounded like for that you preferred the 0.7 for that. But it sounded like the differences over the LRS were tiny. This leads me to believe that for a new pair of Maggies to be occasional speakers and not my main speakers that the LRS+ might be the better choice. My room is smallish too. So maybe the LRS+might be then better choice. Plus I have the subs to pair with them. Does this make sense to you? Thanks!
Hell yeah it makes sense. Bryston 4BSST here with orig LRS and two REL T5.
@@JohnDoe-np3zk 4B3 with 1.7i and two T/5i
I owned the 1.7 and I now have the 3.7. I drove them both, first, with te IotaVX SA3 monoblocks (cheap, very good sound and good current). So you can totally make them sing with a $500 kit. I now drive the 3.7 with a pair of PS Audio BHK300, and the soundstage is insanely good. Love magenpan speakers.
I have the 1.7s at the moment, driven by a Luxman m700u. There is so much I love about them but some times (a lot of times) I would like some more volume. The Luxman has plenty more to give but I find that they are driven into compression at half my amps output and when I push too far, they sound like a window with a fighter jet flying overhead. This is an inherent problem with Maggies due to the low excursion of a panel speaker. (But they ARE great for late night listening) I'm currently thinking of upgrading to the 3.7s but I can't get to hear them first as the closest dealer is 5,000km away. It's a question of diminishing returns. I was wondering if you could tell me if the 3.7s give you a bit more volume (I don't need MUCH more) and wether you feel the upgrade was worth it in any other areas. Lately I've been having sacrilegious thoughts of getting box speakers but worried about loosing that "wall of sound" for the sake of volume. Any comments about your upgrade experience would be greatly appreciated.
Try them with a good tube amp with tube rectification along with 2 REL B1 subs the old good ones, not the crap they make now but the old paper cones that made music not just loud booming sounds lol.
I really appreciate that Thomas solicits the opinions of his friends to enhance the reviews it’s one of the strengths of these videos. Listening to a pair of properly driven Magnepans is definitely something that every audiophile should expedience at least once. The sense of space and depth can be intoxicating especially with a well made recording from a concert space. My come to Jesus moment came when I listened to Eivør “Live in Tórshavn” with the way her vocals sort of floated in the air.
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Steve Guttenberg says the NEW LRS+ sounds 20% clearer than the OLD LRS. Does that mean once the NEW LRS gets broke in that it will have the same terribly flubby sound like the OLD MRS Magnepan. Does Magnepan sound as good as my Sonus Faber Concertos.
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Hi Thomas, love your videos as always. I drive my LRS's with a vintage Phase Linear 400. At 4 ohms, it delivers 400 WPC. These amps take a bad rap from a lot of people, but with new filter capacitors and a cooling fan, they (I have 2 of them) deliver every time. Paired with a Bottlehead Moreplay preamp and any quality analog or digital source, I'm very pleased with the result. One fact that is commonly overlooked with these amps - their damping factor is 1,000!, producing a tight, controlled bass response that's very important in a ribbon speaker.
I have the LRS+ mated to a Yamaha A-S801. As mentioned by many, the biggest problem is room size. I am seriously compromised by my room size,but experimentation has led me to a pretty good solution. I know that when I get these into a bigger it will improve, but I'm still getting better sound than with my "bookshelf " speakers. I am using a Klipsch SW-100 subwoofer to augment the bass.The sound to me is awesome. The imaging of these is hard to beat. Oh, and by the way, the Yamaha loves to drive them hard. I am also happy because I have less than $3000 total invested (I am on a budget). Thank you for your informative lessons.
I use the Hegel H590 to drive my 1.7i, the combination is amazing, the 4000 plus damping factor and current capacity is a must have with Magnepan
Indeed, the damping factor seems to be a very important spec when driving Maggie’s.
I really don't see why the damping factor would be critical in driving resistive loads such as the Magnepans. This would also rule out 100% of tube amplifiers...
For the magnepan 1.7 I use the nad c375bee and this amp is a great match, lots of power ,very smooth and transparent, nice warm sound , perfect match , and the price is very good
I drive my LRS with a VTA ST-120, typically in triode mode. Power tubes are Tung Sol KT120. Rectifier is vintage Mullard. Driver board is populated with vintage European 12au7s. Getting the right tubes was very important - LRS is very revealing.
I run .7s with a single Schitt Vidar. I'm very happy with the results! They are in a relatively small 120sqft room and there are two Rel T/9i subwoofers to help out.
Good to know!
1.7i with a non-standard choice: NAD M10 v2 integrated. Zero issues with enough power for bass, but there is a limit on how loud it will go (which is loud enough for me)
Driving my 1.6s with a Bryston 4B ST. Also got very good results with a Topping LA90.
I use a Magnepan .7 with a Perreaux SM6 MKii (Class A) pre amplifier with a Perreaux Prisma 350 power amp ( classA/B). With a Cambridge Audio CXN V2 streamer ( hardwired with my router) & kimber interconnnects with kimber 10AWG speaker cables. Am very happy with sound at low volume. The power amp is a high current & high power 300 watts per channel RMs @ 8ohms & 450 watts per channel @ 4 ohms. Handles the Magnepan .7 effortlessly . No listening fatigue.I play at low levels and am very happy with quality of the sound which is smooth, no listening fatigue. Am extremely happy with my combination and would certainly recommend a Perreaux pre power combination .
I own the .7i’s and drive them with a Hegel H90. Hegel is my favorite match for Magnepans. Even the entry level H90/95 drive them to acceptable sound levels with very good base control. Hegel amps have a very high damping factor. Highly recommended!
Amp that doubles ohms. 20.7s w/800w@4ohms. Coda continuum 8 v3. Ran 350w@4ohms, not enough.
.7s and a Hegel H90. The exact same setup. It’s perfect and I love it. A perfect pair and ideal for music that benefits from clarity and precision. Surprisingly, for me that includes a lot of jazz and vocals, in addition to the beauty they bring to everything else.
Adcom gfa mosfet Amps are the best bang for your buck to run Maggie’s
Best intergraded amp for Maggie’s is the ps audio stellar strata…
Using PrimaLuna Prologue Premium integrated amp with the Magnepan 1.7i in a small to medium room and exceptionally satisfied with the performance. Plenty of SPL even though not so much power based on specs. I have 2x subs crossed over at around 60 Hz. The Maggie's are a few feet from the long wall and are solid down to about 50Hz. Enjoy the more full sound with the SVS subs supplementing the lower registers.
I have the same PL integrated. Hopefully they can power the LRS.
I got 1.7is with a cheap rig that in my opinion makes great sinergy. A couple bridged crowns xls2000 with a fully upgraded audio gd d28.38 preamp/dac. Crossover cut at 100hz aprox with a sealed anthony gallo subwoofer. The speaker stands have been stabilized and put on spikes. Room correction at the digital domain (running volumio through RPi) and moderate room treatment as well (absortion panels and lots of books as difusers). Canare cables and silver jumpers. My full rig (including room treatment) costed me less than 3k (by buying used electronics and speakers).
Great video, thanks! I own the LRS w/ MagnaRiser stands. I successfully use a Marantz Model 30 to drive them. Bought it based upon a Stereophile Herb Reichert review of the Model 30 in which he enthusiastically praised its ability to drive Magnepan. Model 30 retails for $3,000 usd.
Thanks for the info!
MagnaRiser stands make a significant difference.
I use Parasound JC5 with my 1.7i. Still waiting to buy a new house someday with the space these would like. When I switch out the 1.7i for a while and come back to it after few months, the switch is so impressive.
People always talk about amps with Magnepan…but for me the real issues are that you need the right room (not small), front wall diffusion treatment, and placement has to be very specific because the sweet spot is so small. These are speakers where you need to leave painters tape on your floor because every inch matters with placement. If you get those things right THEN you can worry about amplifiers. Otherwise, enjoy them with a Schiit Vidar.
No experience with Maggie’s but wonder if you’re sure about room treatment. I ask because speakers that were designed for reflections eg omnis, bipole/dipole/open baffle I’ve suspected and been told that room treatment might not be indicated.
I actually DO have painters' tape on my carpet to mark where my 1.7is go (and my face is now turning red in embarrassment).
@@Scottlp2 front wall (behind speaker) is very important to diffuse with open baffle or magnepan speakers
I agree the biggest thing for me was room size and spacing. When I moved my LRS from a large living room space (not accoustically treated) to a small spare basement bedroom where the speakers were 6 inches from wall boundaries and 6-7 feet away it lost all the magic.
@@aceofspades6667 Close to sidewalls i have noticed can be fine or preferred but sitting close to panel or having panel less than 2 feet from front wall destroys everything.
Great video!
Decided to go for the 1.7i after a long hour listening to the different ones.
1.7s with a very affordable NAD 275BEE. For a time I was able to enjoy this setup in a large vaulted, oddly angled room and the sheer impact of the sound (scale? clarity? soundstage?) was really something special. Enough to know that I didn't ever need to upgrade the 1.7s even though I don't doubt there is better out there. Enough to wonder what the heck they would sound like now with a more modern DAC than my ancient Entech. The NAD is affordable and easily powered the maggies. Many people have said they'll be even better with better amplification and I've come close to going for either a Hegel H190 or a good deal on a SuperNait 3 - but when you near something amazing, but can't A/B easily, it is awfully hard to take the risk of replacing the NAD. Likely a replacement for my old Entech DAC is next... The limitations of the listening room play a crucial role with how much Maggies can be enjoyed. The speakers (size) need matched to the room. Just amazing how loved Maggies are for all their flaws. Thomas, the videos are greatly appreciated.
Thomas, I have a pair of Magnepan 3.7i speakers driven by a Parasound HCA3500A amp. This amplifier is a match made in heaven! It has plenty of current to drive them effortlessly!! There really isn't a need for a subwoofer because the 3.7i's bass is both satisfying and with good depth. The sound stage is also very precise and with very "good" depth! Would recommend most Parasound amplifiers to drive Magnepan speakers!! The Magnepan 3.7i are a steal at their price point!
Very nice!
A just purchased and received a pair of LRS's this weekend. I started out listening with 3 sealed subs as I have heard that the low end needs help with the LRS. Just to see how they could stand on their own I turned off all the subs and to my surprise the bass was quite authoritative. I have a Monolith x 7 with 200 watts all channels driven with a damping factor > 400 which translates I believe to a good measure of high current delivery. The track that I listened to was Jennifer Warne's "Way down deep" off the hunter album which has a lot of deep bass in the track. After watching Thomas video, I may strongly consider upgrading to the 1.7i's. I love the music these Magnepan's produce. I would like to hear the 3 series which has the true ribbon for the tweeter. I can't imagine it sound better than what I am hearing with the quasi ribbon tweeter and mids.
I have the 1.7i and is using a Classe amp to drive my Maggies. Started with the .7i but within couple of weeks moved up to the 1.7i. Great sounding speakers!
MMGs here. I started with an Adcom GFA-5300 which was very adequate. I now use a McCormack DNA-125 and it sounds great. Preamp is Audible Illusions Modulus L-1 using Siemens 6922s from the 60s.
I am using a Rogue Audio CM 3 tube integrated on my .7s in a 15' x20'. Middle range heaven. Excellent match together. Even at loud volumes there is zero strain.
Jan 2022, I bought a pair of 1.7i new from a local dealer. The bass is fine for me. Don't have or need a subwoofer.
Preamp : Krell Soundstage. Amp :Aragon 8800x3 ( 3 channel amp ). Amp, preamp I bought used.
Center speaker : Ariel Acoustics. Headphone amp: Schitt Magni+. Krell preamp has no phone jack.
Eventually I would like to replace the Aragon. I'm not unhappy with it, just would like to upgrade.
I like the 3 channel because I listen to music & movies.
The LRS sounds much better than the 0.7 in your video. I would gladly buy a pair of LRS for another room.
Thank you for this video. I watched all of it.
I like your presentation style: to the point and describing what you experienced with the gear.
I auditioned the LRS+ and the .7 on the Rogue Sphinx v3 on Wednesday and the .7 was dramatically better than the LRS+. I now have a beautiful black pair in my listening room on the Rogue and it sounds fantastic. The Rogue Sphinx is an excellentt hybrid tube integrated amp and sounds really great. This is an unbeatable combination for under $4,000. Add a streamer and you are in business but include a turntable and prepare for sonic bliss.
I had a pair of LRS for a little while to get acquainted with the Maggie sound. I heard them demo'd with a 100 wpc Chronus Magnum 3, which sounded great, but was sitting at 2am on the volume dial for realistic volume... I hooked up my pair initially with a 500wpc MF Kw500 which drove it ok, but went concerningly hot. I had nice sound at lower volume, but nowhere near enough drive from a 70watt Audio Analogue SS amp, then just before I decided to sell them, I hooked up a vintage 150wpc Krell KAV300i, and finally, that grabbed them by the scruff of the neck as you might expect and sounded pretty good too. But I sold them because of their known limitations of bass and volume. I regret not trying a subbie, didn't occur to me to do that until after they were gone. I'd say they were an incredibly good sound for the money, but very hard pair of speakers to match up with, because it didn't make sense to hook up a $10k+ super amp to a A$1500 speaker. I'd recommend a very high quality high powered and high current secondhand amp though like the Krell to keep it sensible..
One day I'd be open to trying out the 1.7s to address what I felt lacking in the LRS. They sounded marvelous in the shop with the Sanders power amp
Hi Thomas !! I am driving my Magnepan with a Schiit Ragnarok as a pream and a Crown xls2500. Mgic!!!! Rest of equipment Oppo bd93 and a Rega P2 with audiotechnica mlx150!!
Crown xli are seriously good
Driving my LRSs for 2-1/2 years now with a pair of mono Schiit Vidar amps and Freya S pre. I've got the Magnariser Airborne stands and highly recommend Robert's products.
I have an Onkyo M 508 and Maggie SMGs. Both are from the late 80s. I sent the SMGs back to Magnepan in late 2013 for a restoration. It may be only a class D amp and old tech speakers but it still sounds pretty good and I don't have any problems driving them. The amp is rated 290 W/ch at 4 Ω. I'm really interested in upgrading to the LRS+ as my 1st step in upgrading my system.
Thank you for this review! I was waffling between the LRS+ and the .7 but this has helped make my mind. I am using an old Adcom 100wpc amp with a pair of SMGa and it sounds great at lower volumes. I have a small apartment and don't listen loud anyways, so I am at the low wattage sweet spot. Having said that, I'm going with the LRS+ as soon as the backorder delays go down to a month or so (according to my dealer, they are still at 3 months as of 2 weeks ago) paired with a McIntosh Ma252 so I think it will sound much better for my listening taste. I still don't expect high volume, but it would be nice to get more dynamics and let them breathe so to speak. If I could afford the Ma325 I would but that's on wish list for now. Thank you for the Magnepan reviews!
Bought the LRS because of great reviews and the price. Started with a pair of Bryston 2B pros in mono mode, told that's not recommended, bought an NAD C298 paired with Schiit Freya+, sounds great. Going to keep the LRS, recently grabbed a pair of Axiom M5HP for the days I want to crank it up. I might finally be done buying speakers.
Been struggeling with mine Magnepan .7 for a long time to get a good sound without investing too much. Cheapest way according to mine ears is Anthem MCA225 (loads of current into 4 Ohm)
with Rotel 1572 preamp. Totally happy with the simple synergy
Happy owner of the 1.7i here. I've extensively listend to the 0.7i and 1.7i at my dealer, as I was intending to buy the 0.7i. While both have all the good maggie attributes, I think you hit the nail on the head when describing the differences. I'd even go so far to say, that the 0.7i sounded rather boring. Sure in theory it performes very well, but I had not half the emotional connection to them as to the 1.7i. As a drummer, the sound of the drumkit is very important to me, and the 1.7i had more impact on bassdrum and snaredrum hits, as well as being better with cymbals.
For aplifiction I use a Schiit Freya+ into a single Schiit Vidar. The Vidar sure is a good starting point, but no where near what I want from the speakers. My dealer likes to pair them with the audiolab 8300MB Monoblocks, which outperform the Vidar by quite a bit for "only" 2k€.
I've tried them with my diy pass Amp-Camp-Amp (8Wpc Class 8). While it had obvious drawbacks with dynamics, spl and top end, the rest of the sound was simply to die for. Next year I want to demo both the Audiolab monos as well as a Passlabs AB amp at home, I'm very curious...
Nice, thanks for the feedback.
I use the Outlaw RR2160 RECEIVER to power the LRS. I think it's great. I Use MK7 Magnarisers at the higher position. Excellent.
Me too, I have the LRS+ with the Outlaw RR2160 MkII. It sounds wonderful.
I recommend the GR-Research crossover upgrade to the 1.7 model. It made my 1.7s sound much better.
Thank you for this very interesting comparison Thomas, as usual. Greetings to you and yours.
I'm using an Audio Space Reference 3.1 KT 88 integrated amp for my 1.7's and it drives them very very well.
ADDEMDUM: I wanted to elaborate even though the Audio Space Reference 3.1 ,despite it's rating of 45 watts into 4 ohms, really lets the 1.7's sing which in turn lets their inherently great dynamics and front to back depth shine ( this was also aided in no small part by the addition of "Mye Stands" for the 1.7's ). Along with that recommendation very worthwhile addition to any tube amp are "Pearl Tube Coolers" whos' benefits are three fold - their primary function is to cancel tube "harmonics" most important but they also act as little chimneys extracting heat thus cooling the tubes which in turn extends their normal life expectancy by two to three times - this I can verify from my own personal experience. This was my very first experience with a tube amp as I'd always been into "solid state"*. Along with the 1.7's I've added a pair of REL R 205 10" subs which by the way integrate beautifully. They're plugged into the speaker terminals of the Audio Space - as suggested by REL for the best fidelity. I'm also using a Shanling CD 300 in Canada ( sometimes referred to as the CD 3000 in other countries ) . I run the XLR outputs from the CD 300 and run them into the XLR inputs of my "Schiit Yggy" DAC - the sound is quite amazing. My vinyl chain consists of a modded Michell Gyro-Dec SE table with a Rega RB 3000 arm along with a Benz-Micro LP-S MR moving coil mounted in a "Funk Firm" cartridge isolator, which itself is quite amazing, then into a "Fosgate Signature" all tube phono pre-amp.
*P.S. Just a few thoughts on tube amps. Being a car guy I look at tube amps as being akin to "diesel engines" i.e. tube amps generally don't have as much wattage as solid state amps which in turn equates to diesel engines not having as much horse power as gas engines. Conversely diesel engines do have a lot of torque i.e. "grunt" which tube amps also have and this the very crucial element in driving Maggie's properly which , as you know, are a more difficult speaker to drive. So don't shy away from auditioning a high quality tube amp if Maggie's interests you!
NOTE: I'm NOT affiliated with any of the companies I've referenced in the above!
I have Bel Canto monoblocks, but a lower budget option that works well would be the Emotiva stuff. Even the basx a2 could drive my big 3.6s, when I was in between amps. Moving up a bit from there, the Peachtree Audio integrateds with the ICE modules also do a surprisingly great job. But ultimately, higher quality, higher current amps will make Maggie happy. Great review, Thomas. And kudos for involving room size and placement into your review. Two very important variables.
Even though I use a 100lb Mark Levinson amp rated down to 2 ohms for my Maggies… had I known about Emotiva at the time, I probably would’ve gone that route.
@@van94weightlossjourney They do a surprisingly effective job with Maggies.
While I am still a newbie audiophile in general, I have been lucky to have a few pairs of maggies in the last 10 years. Craigslist find of an old Magnepan 1.4 set I refinished and drove with a thrift store Bob Carver integrated amp is probably what got me hooked on the sound journey. My wife bought me a pair of 1.7's after years of hearing me reminisce of my old maggies (was at the time running a pair of B&W Silver Signatures) I plugged the new maggies into a Mark Levinson 331 and they kicked the B&W's a** immediately. I am now running the maggies on a pair of Emotiva XPA-DR1 monoblocks through a Schiit Freya preamp and am more than happy. Great for easy listening sessions, can blow my ears off if I want it to. I throw in a sub when we are having a party. Think I'll stick with most of this for a long time, maybe play around with some more preamp's. Great video, I appreciate how most of the components you discuss, especially the speakers, are all actually attainable, both financially and inventory wise.
Hi Thomas, really love your videos which provide a breath of fresh air all the time. I have the Magnepan 1.4 from the late 80s and still going strong and providing me with endless listening pleasure. My Classe 70 power amp is rated at 75 watt per channel and is high current capable. It drives my Maggies beautifuly and mated to a Classe 30 preamp. Both are from the mid 1990s. With vinyl playback from Linn LP12, the volume knob position at 7 o' clock is quite loud enough. Whereas with digital (CDs and high resolution files) playback 8 or 9 o' clock is pretty loud. No subwoofer is required. The sound emanating from the speakers is very musical, transparent, life like, and engaging with an amazing soundstage.Listening levels vary from 65db to 80db. The average being about 70db which is pretty loud. My room is 15'x 13'. I personally think a high current amp is more than adequate to drive them and thus no need for a 200 watt plus amp.
Extremely precise positioning locked the 1.6 into tight focus and reduced the size of instruments to life size. This probably also applies to these 3 models. Rake angle mismatch was a major factor in scale bloat.
I have a pair of magnepan 2.7, it's not about how expensive the amp is or how much power does the amp have, in my opinion, but what kind of magic is there in the amp, which can bring a very neutral speaker like the magnepan to life so that everything sounds like music that lives. I used to have amplifiers on the magnepan like Marantz PM 94 the stereo image on the magnepan was like a flat painting on the wall (this just wasn't a match) I use Electrocompaniet because the amp doesn't sound clinical or neutral because that is not a match on a neutral speaker, but an amplifier that sounds full, natural and musical, bringing out the little divinity in a very warm mood. music that makes you feel involved.
Saw a comparison video once, between stock standalone LRS and LRS with servo subs & an external active crossover. Taking all the bass frequencies from the LRS and handing them to a properly controlled sub really clears the LRS up and elevates it from an already great speaker to mind blowing. It really speaks to the difference when you can hear it over RUclips (with all it's crappy compression) and cheap headphones with a USB dongle dac/amp. I'm saving for the LRS Plus, an active crossover, GR Research servo subs, a Hegel H95 or 120, and a Fluance RT85N. I still wish the LRS Plus had a separate tweeter strip, like Magnepan's 3.7 & up models though.
I am currently driving Mgnepans 1.7s with a 125wpc tube amps. I have tried Acurus, Rotel, Bryston, Emotiva and Adcom amps. However, to my ears the tube amps truly compliments the Magnepans and that is what I have continued to use. Granted, these are not by any means HiFi expensive amps but they do the job well.
I can see your point there, I occasionally power the 1.7i's with a Rogue Audio Stereo 100 Dark. Little more liquid and 3d. Compared to the Rotel RB1590 though, the bottom end suffers with tube amps. Too much sag. If using subs, it works. I use 2 REL T9i's with them.
Hi Thomas, Yet another excellent review peppered with spot-on comments! I started with the .7 and added the 1.7i this year. After being floored by the much fuller presentation and extensive soundstage of the 1.7i, later on the more more analytical and forward .7 was quite appealing again. Dependung on the music/recording/my mood, I add a REL T7/X sub to the .7 to also add flesh to the soundstage.
The .7 in my 35 square meter/375 square foot bedroom are powered by an old Nelson Pass designed Adcom GFA-555 II with 300 WPC into 4 ohms. Beefy Adcoms are cheap, easily modded and offer the current needed to properly drive and the high damping factor required to control Maggies and sound pretty good. After playing around with amps I decided against an excellent pairing with the Bryston 4B Cubed on the 1.7i in my living room and - God forbid - went with the Purifi module based NAD C298 after a try & buy audition. The amp is an excellent match and sweet for the money, but might be too analytical with the .7
You don't need to spend a bundle to have a nice match with Magenpans, but you better have a current-capable amp!
As your other viewers wrote, placement and to a lesser extent, room treatment is everything! BTW Dirac Live can be real help if you listen to conventional and panel speakers in the same room!
And yes, I too have tape on my floors and carpets after many, many hours of placement trials. ;-)
Keep the great work up Thomas!
All the best, Martin
WOW. Ty for making this video Thomas. I've always been VERY interested in Magnepan, especially the LRS and now the new LRS+. But the amplifier requirement has always deterred me away
The tiny Naim Nait 3 does a great job driving my LRS. Maybe not the ultimate finesse but I get a quite powerful sound.
I ran my LRS with a Silk Audio EL34 amp for about 30 seconds....it choked on the load.
My Musical Fidelity X-150v3 worked well (with a pair of RELs).
Recently found a Bryston (250w@4ohm) 3Bsst that really grabs them by the diaphragms! ($1200 with almost 5 years left on the 20 year warranty ).
I was glad to hear that the LRS are probably the best for my 13x20ft room. They certainly have a lot of potential. They're keepers.
Thanks for the public service announcement Mr T
🎵🎶😉🎶🎵
i drove my MGIIIa speakers with two Bryston 4B amps...one also works almost the same. about 180/channel each into 4 ohms
Wow! That was the best sound demo I have ever heard. You are the master. And that was with my mobile gear (Fearless Freedom S8 and Hidizs S9 Pro). I'm going to listen again with my main gear and planar magnetics.
Wow, thanks!
Lots of great amps here. I’ve tried many with my 1.7i, but fell in love with electrocompianet. I got 2 older model 220 the I bridged
It’s very pretty.
Very nice!
Hi over there! And thanks for posting this regarding, Magneplan.
7 years ago, I bought from the first owner here in Sweden, Magneplan MG II
That seller has had them since he bought them new 1978, he still had the original box
that they came with. That was the first time I listen to Magneplan and did it surprise me oh yes
so, I bought them and hocked it up to my Pioneer VSA-AX10 Audio/video Multi -channel amplifier
that I had since 2006 still have it but only using the front output to the Magneplan.
1 years ago, and keep in mind the speakers are about 50 years old the left speaker started to sound
strange so if you know a bit about the speakers then you understand what went wrong, the glue that
hold on 2 wires, just 10-15 cm losing its grip to the wire, so it started to shake and vibrating on the
mylar that the wire was glued on. So, I started to fix them this year with new bas and mid wire and
the tweeter wire, this was in February this year I started to renovate, and I replaced the electric
internal wire, capacitors and I tried out a few in the same level.
The result?? Like new Magneplan and here comes the trouble to drive them. my old Pioneer have
150 w each channel but the magneplan get stressed like a distortion when I play some music style.
I know that is a common problem with this type of ‘Power hungry speakers’ but when they play
They for sure play and one just must let them breath sort of, take them out from the wall behind
them and find that beautiful spot, I guess one can say then you are swimming in sound.
I am planning for a tube pre amp and a power amp but small moves small moves. Thanks for always
great videos, stay safe over there ! Jan
The 1.7i that I owned were nice, but I much prefer Focal and Kef over them as my listening tastes have changed. I sold my 1.7i a few months back.
Wonderful comparison and so interesting that there are indeed clear differences and choices both for taste and room-size which you excellently describe! I have used smaller amps such as Cyrus 2 to drive SMGs in the past and although a Bryston really made them come alive, a Copland CTA 501 just sounded so much sweeter.
I have a pair of 3.7, driving with Kinki EX-M1+ and Denafrips Pontus, comparing with Buchardt A700, Buchardt seems winning in bass, and 3.7 seems winning in the Treble and soundstage. Relatively speaking A700 is a very strong contender in many ways. My endgame setup with 3.7 is to pair it with Hegel H590. I can't think of any other Amp that would pair better with 3.7 than Hegel does.
I used to have a set of 3.6s and I wish I had never sold them. I have had 1000s of speakers over the years and I think they are in my top 5 of all of them.
I appreciate the experienced analysis. I was looking for an endgame speaker on a working man's budget.
I auditioned the LRS with First Watt clone amp and was floored by the separation, thickness of sound, velvety mids and clarity of treble, also ample headroom when we compared to Class D - ICEpower 1200 AS, both using the same input from YggY A2 Dac and streaming lossless music. Magnepan is best paired with Highcurrent Class A or Class B in my opinion.
I will try to drive my LRS with an XTZ a2-400 power amplifier, which also uses ice power modules. Interesting to hear, whether it can compare with my Marantz PM8006 class a/b design driving the Magnepans.
@@andreasheiden7122 eager to hear your opinion
@@sanjay130176 will probably try in October, when it's cooler outside. I have to move speakers, Subs and other components from one room to the other.
I'm using the Emotiva XPA Gen 3 differential amp and a 30 year old Forte F45 pre driving the .7s. Yes, the Forte has balanced outs. Sounds really good in a medium sized room.
What do you mean with differential?
I have a gen 3 and 3.6 and rogue RP1 pre
@@urbantone it uses 2 separate amplifier modules to ensure total separation of the left and right channels. It also utilizes balanced inputs.
So four channels is it right?
@@urbantone 2 channel
I have a pair of LRS, and a pair of 1.7´s. Both pairs of speakers being powered by 1985-vintage Moscode 300 amps, I own three of these amps. All three amps were sent to George Kaye (Mr. Moscode) for updates. The Moscodes have no problems making sweet sounds from my Maggies from soft to loud. The LRS are being used as the front speakers of my home theater rig; the 1.7´s on my stereo system. My third Moscode amp drives the center channel of my home theater system which consist of also Maggies, DWM woofer and a CC5 center.
Hey Thomas, great video !.. I have the Magnepan LRS's and power them with a pair of XTZ Edge A2-300 class-D amplifiers setup as monoblocks. I also have 10" powered subs in the signal path.... Huge sound stage that stretches from speaker to speaker. I wouldn't change a thing.
Thank you,
Steve
I really enjoyed owning my LRS + Hegel H160 it was quite a nice setup for the money I had paid. When we had kids my listening room was downsized to a small spare basement bedroom so ended up having to sell them. The LRS against a wall in a small room just lost all the magic so now I'm stuck with active bookies until they get old enough. I would like to try Spatial Audio labs (M3 sapphire / X5) for my next open baffle speakers.
If you want the maggie sound close to the wall look for a pair of MC2 or MC1 wall speakers. They can be found used for pretty cheap. My living room is about 12x15(the short way) so
I converted a pair of MC2 to floor standers by adding threaded inserts and feet. They sound really good. I added a small sub to fill in and they are close to the equal of LRS. I have LRS at the office. Recently I bought a Rogue Cronus Magnum II for the LRS. The first night i had it I connected it to the MC2 and WOW they sounded amazing. I was previously using a Rogue Sphinx v2 for those. Maggies need high current. I use a Hegel Rost at the office for the LRS and that sounds wonderful also. The CM II was supposed to replace the Hegel Rost but it sounds so good im just going to sell the Sphinx and keep the other two! Better quality amps make themselves known on magnepans immediately.
I drive my LRS with an Audire Crescendo, it's the same amp that drove my Tympani 1Ds many years ago until I got rid of them to get into surround systems. The LRS gives me back what I was missing for 25 years since I sold the Tympanis and while I might get some better performance out of a newer amp or integrated, I have many, many sessions where I'm simply amazed at what they do for so little $$ and space and a 30 year old amp.
I picked up lighty used 1.7i s for $1300. Drive them with my 1980 recapped Carver M400, 200wpc amp. Ive heard high current is more important than high watts for Magies. The M400 doesnt even get warm running high spl for hours. Im sure a high end amp would be an improvement, but very good recordings sound quite good. Also a Rythmix 400w 12" sub in the rig.
Magnepan LRS (non-plus) on MangaRisers driven by 2x Schitt Vidar bridged (rated 400W @ 8 ohms, no problems running at 4). Happy with it so far. Only a slight-to-moderate sound improvement from running one Vidar in stereo mode (200W @ 4 ohms) primarly in the transience and ease. Only a slight reduction in compression moving to the dual mono setup. Using a tube pre-amp with the Vidars provies a big difference in tuning the signature to taste.
Driven with my Sim Audio Moon i3 (160W @ 4 ohms) provides ok results, the amp is much warmer and loses detail, but that's more the (older) Sim Audio itself than the maggies. Transience is noticably slower but not unacceptable. Compression with the Sim Audio is rather noticable.
I prefer to run the LRS with the Schitt setup and the Sim Audio with my Dynaudio. This gives me both ends of the spectrum to play with and compare. I usually listen to the LRS during the day and the Dynaudio at night.
Parasound HCA-750a. Got it used and re-capped it with “audiophile grade” Japanese capacitors. Sounds good enough for me with my Maggie 1.7 pair.
Driving .7s with MC2205 200w + SVS sub, very nice and enjoyable for several years. Just breaking in the the mono block MC830 300w. OMG! modern amp with higher power I am blown away with wider soundstage and smoother vocals.
I drive my .7's with a Yamaha AS2200, the combo has plenty of power and dynamics. It's the best sounding combination of anything I own.
Looking at the specs of the AS2200 - my Yamaha AS-801 is similar - so this should do the trick as a cheaper alternative (albeit not as good looking)
Hey Thomas. Using the Rogue Sphinx v3 integrated amp to drive my Magnepan MG 12qr's. Combined with the Denafrips Pontus II DAC, it is just fabulous.
1.7is driven by PS Audio S300 (Class D, 300 watts/channel into 4 ohms; MSRP $1,649 US) - listening primarily to classical / acoustic music at moderate (comfortable) levels. Sounds fine, all of the usual Magnepan attributes present.
Another great video, Thomas. Great comparison - that's more useful than just an outright review of one or the other.
Thanks! 👍
I actually have the last version of the old maggie MMG's driven by a Rogue Sphinx v2 Class D with a damping factor greater than 1000 at 200 watts into 4 ohms and a tube preamp section.....it all works for me......
The sound improved with each speaker. The sustain of her vocals on the 1.7 is magical.
Magnepan 3.5R with Active XOver Marchand XM44. 1st amp is Pass Lab X150.5 (class a) on high. 2nd amp is Wyred 4 Sound SX-1000 monos (class d) on the mid/low. And pre-amp is the coincident line stage tube.
I use the Bryston 4B-ST - I thought at first they were sounding too bright.
But now the LRS+'s have some milage on them...
it sounds so clear and wide open.
But I am still looking forward to a Tube Amp upgrade at some point.
LRS on Magnariser MK7 stands, REL 5T/x Subwoofer, Parasound A23+ power amp, Parasound JC2 BP Preamp, Marantz SA KI Ruby SACD Player in a 16x23x8 room - pure magic.
I bought magnarisers for my LRS. Completely changed the sound. You should review LRS w the risers if you can get your hands on them. I would have gladly let you borrow mine if you were in SoCal.
I own the 3.7 with a jeff Rowland model 2 poweramp 150w at 4ohm with new Mundorf hc caps.
It sounds good with good tight bass but i do not no how it sounds with a bigger amp.
What i do know is that the set up is very important and if you ask me the 3.7 radiates magnetism (in line with the speaker )and reach easilly 3 feet, it will effect the sound to (for example) amplifiers but also to (power)cables.
But i think the ribbon magnets radiates the most magnetism so i do not know how much a 0.7-1.7 for example radiates magnetism.
Had the LRS for a week and gave up. Just couldn’t get it to work in my room. I later learned that the amp I was using at the time (Meridian 556) was not up to the task of driving a Maggie. 🤷🏼♂️
My Magnepan amps are Odyssey Stratos monos w/ the 180K uF caps. Big current delivery. Great combo. Love Odyssey gear, the 'band for buck' is hard to beat.
Try the 3.7i or higher magnepan models with true ribbon instead of these maggies with quasi ribbon. They are on another level. I have tried McIntosh MC402, Classe Audio .CA2200, Bryston 4B squared and cubed amps with the 3.7i and I prefer the Classe Audio sound when paired with the 3.7i. Although the Classe Audio is the least powerful out of these 3 amps, it came out on top for me. Who, including me ever thought that Classe will come out on top being the lowest powered of these three?
I know this is an older post, but I'm running my LRS speakers with a Marantz 7.2 receiver. They sound great to me.
I spent last winter upgrading a pair of 3.7i speakers. I tested the passive crossovers and found they were very poorly designed. The speakers had very low midrange when measured and the minimum part count series crossovers were too shallow so the response varied wildly off axis horizontally. So the crossover was bypassed and Hypex 503 three channel plate amps with DSP crossovers were installed. The performance of the speaker was massively enhanced and it is now actually an accurate neutral speaker. To augment the bass twin subwoofers were added with two 12" woofers in each. The system is now full range and has huge dynamic range as the woofer panels are crossed over to the subs at 100Hz. If you can afford it, go with the active crossovers. Change amplifiers all you want, until you get that lousy crossover out of the speaker the performance will be poor.
I have the 3.7i’s and use a Sanders Magtech stereo amp. Perfect combination. Couldn’t be happier.
Very interesting comparison between those 3 Magnepan speakers. I own a pair of MG1c (similar to the 1.7i) which I used with a Quad 33-303 combo for almost 30 years in 3 different rooms with very good results. That 303 Quad amp is an amazing amp that dealt very well with the 5 ohms load of the MG1c. Since 5 years now, I am using a vintage MC240 tube amp with impressive results too. I compared my MG1c with he 1.6qr and the sound was so similar, I decided to keep mine. I also compared them with the 1.7 (not 1.7i) and I preferred my MG1c, as they sounded slightly more natural and organic to my ears. Magnepan meke awesome speakers, it’s only a matter of match and taste.
Bought Maggies 1.7i some weeks ago and I´m driving it with my 5-Channel Amp from Rotel only using the 2 Frontspeaker channels.
On top of that very low level type of gear I´m running from a Panasonic 9004 UHD player with its analog output into a Denon HomeCinema Amp 4200 and putting it into pure-audio mode.
Other way is over a normal windows pc over hdmi to that Denon. All cables are cheap as it gets and I simply am stunned how it is even possible with all that low class gear that my Maggies performing so well, it is so great I did listen 130hrs in the last 10 days, thats a lot.
The strange thing is when I listen to a rig where everything is perfected and 100x more expensive I should hear a difference in the first second. But I can say I don´t, with music alone I would never ever buy "more" as the Maggies 1.7i, but in my situation I need a combo with movies, and that is at some level a breaking point for the 1.7i.
Don´t get me wrong, they can actually play 90% of my movie archiv but some stuff like Ready Player One on my loudness level is simply to much for them.
So I endet up moving them into my smaller nerd room for youtube, gaming and some music. In the bigger room I put in the psaudio FR30, they work well in both areas, music and movies.
But even this mega high priced speakers can´t really smash the 1.7i to the wall when it comes to music, as I said for music-only it doesn´t get any better for me or I should say I would not need more, totally happy with them
Another awesome video Thomas...keep them coming!
My NAD C740 not only drives the LRSs to more than ample listening levels in my living room, with no audible clipping or distortion. In testing, it also did so while simultaneously driving a pair of NHT SB1 bookshelf speakers (8 ohm) in the bedroom on the other side of their common wall with no diminishment of the loudness of either.
Thank you, Thomas. Facts are facts.
That custom class A amp your friend put together has really cool design cues, look like a fusion of Boulder and Gryphon amps 😍 is that coming to market any time soon? would love to hear more about it
The answer is yes and no. Yes, I am working on a solidstate class A amp and infact, I am listening to it now as I type this. However, I wanted it to be affordable less than $2k. My issue right now is I want to make it in Canada and the cost is high.
@@ThomasAndStereo would a kit be an option to consider? I assume assembly is where the cost would be?
@@TombstoneTube Perhaps that would be a good idea too. To build it here in Canada, I have to go thru 4 factories.
A high end amplifier kit would definitely be something I’m sure would get a lot of interest, me included!
@@ThomasAndStereo Sell the PCB, heatsinks, and chassis, and I'm in! It's tough to find a good solid state class A project. Not much out there beyond the Nelson Pass DIY Audio site.
I've owned various Magnepans for 25 years straight and I think the 1.7i may very be dollar for dollar the best speaker readily available. My amplifier is a Chinese Tonewinner AD 2500 which can put out 600 watts in to 4 ohms and is available though the Canadian audio store Summit Hifi. I think this amplifier is a very good value.
It is Class AB - Class H, probably it is the same class as Emotiva.
Thomas heats his home in the winter with his Tube gear👍
and bbq with it in summer.
Maggies were my primary speakers from 1999 until July 2022, starting with the 1.6Q And finishing with the 3.7i.
They were best driven by really good Class AB such as Pass and older Threshold. However, the no amplifier drive the 3.7i like my Ampzilla 2000, I had bass like no other amps could. So yes, owning Maggies becomes an ecosystem, you will need expensive amps.
I was informed last week by Char Tallen from Magnepan that I should get my ordered LRS+ soon. I can’t wait to get it and break it in for a few weeks with my Schiit Freya+ and Parasound A21. Very excited now..
I have 2.5R Magnepans and use a Pioneer Elite sc-lx901 receiver that uses ICE D-class amps. It's a great combination, but I don't listen at high levels.
Here are the 3 things I have powered my MG12s ( 2 pairs in 4.0 + 2 subs extending the fronts ) with since I've owned them
1. Yamaha DSP-A1 ( sold it when the amps started dieing )
2. Rotel RMB 1085 ( on a shelf )
3. Starke Sound AD4 320 ( current )
How well does the Starke class D compare to those AB amps for mids and hi's as I have dual Vandersteen 2Wq subs high passed for the low end?
@@michaelcampbell9459 I really haven't compared it to anything out side of the Rotel RMB 1085 ( ice based class D ) and my STAX based system.
Replacing my pre/pro last year made a much bigger difference.
I tried my Maggie's with steely state yeah they played loud and flat. Many tone-deaf people like soulless two-dimensional sounds! I like the sound that touches my soul and feels really alive. Steely State has me reaching for strong pain meds lol. Then I hooked them up to a pair of older BAT Mono tube amps and a pair of older REL Britannia 1 subs wow is all I can say music was alive in that room.