The people commenting of how bad the karate guy is probably has never sparred before, I practiced many forms of martial arts from Kung fu to boxing to Brazilian jujitsu and it’s extremely difficult to keep your stance in a spar, the best stance is a relaxed springy agile stance, this guy has probably done more than uechi and has learnt his own style but his foundation is uechi. The hardest part about sparring is not freezing up and becoming a boxing bag, I give respect the the karate fighter, he did well
I've been sparring for long years... it is hard to see who has mastered karate doing that. 99% of sparring like this are bullshit. It is not even close to what karate teach us. This guy needs to say he does anything but karate.
I've instructed both karateka and military as instructor and all I can say is that all people look for their place in the world. Goran here probably thought it was OK as long as he won, which is fair. In that case the title of this video is misleading and not representative. In my eyes this was a simple brawl. I actually had a longer reply, but shortly said. There are MANY fighters that don't want to enter the public stage, and quite a few of them are trained soldiers/operatives. MMA/UFC = show.
Patricio Avendaño is it because the wrestler lost because every time combat sports fighters lose to traditional martial artists this is usually the response from the MMA fans
@@michaelterrell5061 You have reason I did not understand the fight well, what if I know the style is that if Uechi applies a tsuki or maegeri to the sternum, the battle ends in the emergency room...
Uechi ryu does not use open hand strikes (8yr experience), but good lord I've never seen someone fight like t h a t. Then again, all plans go flying away after the first punch, and if they're down they're down so who cares. For an uechi-ryu ka he's a floaty bastard. And his hands aren't up super high. Scary.
To 9th Dragon. Hi there. I'm pretty sure that your Croatian Uechi Ryu karate club is proud of Goran and that he may have improved a great deal. However insulting people in a video you uploaded based on their comments is quite a bad word-of-mouth for your club. If you don't want comments to your videos you can always disable them when uploading future footage. I look forward to more interesting videos from Deveti Zmaj. :)
That's not MMA, it's a novice with clearly very limited training in either standing, clinch or ground fighting. A competent BJJ white belt would have mopped the floor with both in minutes.
This UECHI RYU player's kick is very powerful, but he did not use the type of 三战, I can not understand why, I have used 三战 in practice, which is a good defense and offensive integration strategy
A fight like this proves nothing. Karate is not designed for tournaments. The Karate I learnt, taught us to fight dirty by attacking the vital organs at the first opportunity you get.
As expected. MMA guy heard... karate is easy. Just run in and take him down then all is over. More experienced karate guy, knew what to expect from the MMA guy, and when they actually went down... he could keep his own. Now 3:10 about is where the problem with MMA comes in. In these fights no eye gouching, head butting etc allowed. Not even in MMA. That karate guy would have gone for eye gouges. Or that is what I would have done. Take the eyes out with the fingers. Not fun but in real life situation... extremely fight ending.
mizmera EXACTELY! Real karate is not made for the ring. Groin strikes, eye strikes or any other kind of strike from well conditioned fingers and toes, that can shatter wood and stone, are meant to kill and maim not compete in a sporting event.
+mizmera NO head shots in this either it seems. While true lots of karate guys and self defense dudes hide behind this excuse. They work through theoretical self defense scenarios which slowly get further and further away from reality as time passes. They also tend to attempted to apply their arts core principles to everything like trying to hammer in a screw. Generally speaking a a boxer or an MMA fighter is probably going to more effectively execute a headbutt or groin shot better than someone who has run through a kumite 100 times. He actually knows how to execute techniques under pressure.
You are correct about one thing. The person with the most experience is more likely to come out on top in the ring, but I rather be that person/experienced with fist, fingers and toes of steal than the guy likely to get a boxer's fracture after one punch in the real world.
... And a boxer's fracture is the main reason they have gloves in the UFC. Real Karate and some other martial arts only use gloves to protect the other person.
My Dad was part of a Tournament in 1988 (or 89) when we were stationed at Camp Foster, Okinawa. I was way too young to appreciate his teachings of Uechi-Ryu. It is not completely lost. I enjoy the slimming, yet solid muscle results.
I seriously doubt that the Uechi guy is even a 1st dan but the guy is also limited by the rules of the competition just as much as the "MMA" guy is. I use the MMA term very loosely because it is a mish mash of different styles and not an actual system of fighting. On top of that, anyone who comments against the karate guy for not using vital strikes and open hand techniques, these types of strikes are not allowed in nearly any competetive form. When you have gloves and safety gear used to protect the competetors, it also changes the way a person fights. With the way that the Uechi guy is handling himself, it looks like he is relying more on his conditioning and low targeting as a strategy for himself. By using the low kicking, he is disabling the other fighters legs, this can make it extremely hard for the opponent to kick, stand, or move, and I see the uechi guy striking both the inside and outside of the thighs. The inside of the thighs have a lot of weakness. This applies to the stability of the joints, blood vessles, and pressure points. When the guy was taking him to the ground there were multiple things he could have done, but for anyone with practical expirience, you would know it can be hard to respond when someone has you in a headlock from any angle. This applies to any style. as for the benifit of cross training, this always has merit. the reason is because everyone fights differently and this gives you the ability to learn how to adapt your fighting style and techniques to the opponent, rather than expecting them to be superior fighting methods. In a real life situation, the most important factors that play a role are, how much you train (assuming that you are training correctly and not having sloppy standards) as well as training regularly so your techniques become fluid (high level karate does not have one technique or combo of techniques that are used one after the other, the movements of the practitioner are performed as needed and flow around the movements and stance of the opponent. You always fight for the best position (which is usually from the persons back) If you look at some older competitions from the 60's up to the early 80's you would see that those were bare knuckle full contact competitions and they had more in common with early ufc rules than they do modern karate competitions. modern mma has become very regulated and the rules have changed. Original ufc was bare knuckle, had no weight classes, and what determined a fighters level (who you fought) this was based on the fighters that you fought and beat. Some of the few rules that were in place early on were some pretty base level things (No eye gouging, No fish hooking, No hair pulling, and that you could not grab an opponents genitals) That last one got one of the high level fighters banned for a period of time because he had a fight that he grabbed on his opponents groin and even when the ref was trying to separate them to prevent permenant damage for the other fighter, he still refused. But back to the point, if you can't learn to adjust your techniques to the moment, then you'll likely never be able to apply it in real life.
this is true that real karate isnt about sport.you can blind or kill your opponent by some fingers but these all not would be useful unless you touch a real fight experience and get to know how to spar and strike in an effective way
@@Shadowrulzalways I know that's not what they called it but sport karate looks different in combat than traditional karate. It looks like traditional karate.
I guess you could technically call this sparing, but a dedicated practitioner of uechi ryu wouldn't participate in something like this. His master would kick his butt.
Michael Park Your two points are contradictory. On one hand you say that Uechi Ryu techniques are for self defense only and then you say gloves prevent the use of Uechi Ryu strikes. Also if it’s not for competition then why do the majority f the dojo’s in Okinawa go to competitions?
Michael Park Uechi Ryu is more than an amalgam of techniques. It’s also the expression of its training modalities. A true fight will not look like kata or bunkai nor does a true Uechi Ryu practitioner need to use deadly force at all time. Control of timing, distance, and your response is just as important as training shoken and boshuken on a makiwara. A lot of traditionalists in China claim that competitions aren’t real because they can’t use open hand. Xu Xiaodong showed them the importance of competition. If you’re implying that Okinawans compete just for money your sadly mistaken. Most dojo’s are small and don’t generate a lot of income. The majority of the senseis have day jobs. Along with dojo training, sparring be it point or mma has value. By saying that competition isn’t appropriate or that’s it’s not true Uechi Ryu is disrespectful to our fellow karateka and to the art itself. And that disrespect is looked down upon by our seniors. That, indeed, is not Uechi Ryu.
@Michael Park yeah your right its a "deadly" art but you can still benefit in sparring like this because of the pressure testing even though its limited by rules....you learn timing and spacing and how to keep a cool mind when the adrenalin wants to go nuts. Nothing to be scared of by loosing just keep gaining experience.
Uechi-ryu is a self defense discipline, no a combat sport. It doesn´t work that way. The same way, you don´t put a Krav maga vs an mma fighter. It doesn´t work that way. Please...
I'm 15 and have been a Uechi Ryu/ Shugyo Ryu student from my sensei Mulvey for 10 years now and I have to say the Uechi Ryu guy REALLY disappointed me, what I saw was a complete lack of discipline in his attacks and complete lack of THE ACTUAL TECHNIQUES such as yoko Gueri, even the basic punches like Muwashi Skii and Shomen Skii were completely gone. If the Uechi Ryuist was actually using those techniques, this whole thing would of been over in less than a minute.
Like others have pointed out, karate in general, is just not designed to be a sport. You'll never get truly effective Uechi karate in the ring, it's designed to severely damage and the weapons it works with are covered up or presumably not allowed in competition, we aren't seeing Shoken tsuki to the throat or Sukuto geri to the knees like we would really do when applying the style. While I do enjoy sparring, there are some things to be learned from it, and the occasional friendly round with friends of other styles are all fun and games, but competing with gloves on and not using the devastating attacks we were trained to use, just isn't representative of Uechi. So, when I see things like this, I say enjoy it or don't enjoy it for what it is. The practitioner probably isn't terrible, it's just the rules don't mesh well with what our style is.
A true Uechi Ryuist tho should be able to utilize all of his abilities no matter what, he may need to adjust them a little, but if you can't twerk the technique to the situation, be it a life or death or not, then you have no control over those techniques. One should be able to use sekuto geri but have enough restraint to simply put the person on the floor, not pop your knee joint of place, or use even the most basic block of muashi ukae and then simply pull him in and use showmen ski to his stomach and the sparring, or fight match is over.
Robert Murphy I disagree. If you're limiting the weapons (hands can basically only do a standard fist, eliminating hiraken, shoken, tetsui, etc) and targets (can't strike the side of the knee, throat, heart etc) you don't really have Uechi. I totally get having broken or unavailable hands or other weapons in a life or death battle due to circumstances and needing to use palm/wrist strikes or others to the vital areas or shuto geri to the knee or shomen geri to the groin or neck to deal with attackers. But if you're limiting the style so much, you don't have an accurate representation of what it does. Uechi is designed to maim and kill. It is super aggressive and rolls over opponents by breaking them. If that's off the table, it doesn't work. It's like saying you get to use Brazilian Jujutsu, but you cannot go to the ground, it would get destroyed by striking styles in that case. Sure, I can hit someone in the thigh with a sokuto geri, but that's not going to stop them like it will when I explode their knee, so the technique is arbitrarily losing a ton of its utility, because of the rules. If I destroyed their knee, I've taken out that leg and I have that huge advantage. If I can only hit their thigh because of the limitation "we're competing not fighting for our lives", they can power through it, tank it and keep fighting. My technique is limited because I can't utilize it the way it was intended, not because they are skilled or I'm unskilled, but because I'm not allowed to. The case could be made that Uechi sucks for competition, but the case could not be made that the practitioner sucks at Uechi because they aren't allowed to do the technique as it was intended. In Uechi sparring or drills, we stop after demonstrating "I would have just blasted your knee" because we know, if one of us just did that, they'd be going to the hospital. And we'd rather not send our training partners to the hospital, because they have to work, and we like training with them. I shouldn't need to be a powerhouse with a sokuto geri to hit them in the thigh where they can flex and possibly tank it. Putting their thigh muscle resistance against my attack isn't what my technique was designed for. Martial arts are generally designed for the mechanical advantage, with the least input for the maximum output. I can mechanically destroy a knee for around 12 lbs worth of pressure from the side, that's why I train the sokuto geri, I don't care to try and test its power vs their strongest bone and a huge muscle, I want to destroy a weak spot that will cripple them with little input. That's real Uechi. Straight up, I can tank your sokuto geri all day to my thigh I've taken multiple blows with roundhouse kicks straight to the thigh from up to kyudan opponents, but you kick me in the side of the knee with a solid sokuto geri and I will fall down on the first attack. The latter is what our style was designed to do. If we're wearing gloves, mouate are arbitrarily inhibited. And frankly, it's not easy to land on trained fighters that don't make haymakers and leave their hands out. On big kicks, they're a little more practical. As for shomen tsuki to the stomach, against a trained fighter, good luck with that. If you hit me in the abs with one of those, again, I'll tank that all day, especially if you're wearing gloves. I mean, I've tanked side thrust kicks to the abs in dan testing and continued right on fighting without a break in the action. A shomen tsuki to the abs will not stop me, or any other trained fighter that is paying attention to you. In fact, if you went for that, I'd most likely be blasting you in the face or kidney. I really have no idea what you're sparring with, but I fight dan levels and that bullshit won't stop them. Not trying to be mean, but Uechi is absolutely not a competitive sport, it is a martial art. It's great at the latter, but it is not designed for the former and when it is taken down because it wasn't allowed to destroy that knee, break that arm, strike that throat, or gouge those eyes, you're not really comparing apples to apples.
Robert Murphy ya I agree. A minute would be a long time. Maybe for both those fairies at the same time brother. UECHI RYU #1 always. Ont. Canada. Blk bar on brown.
Exactly if this guy used any of those techniques it’s game over. Uechi ryu isn’t made for sport the techniques don’t work with gloves and you could seriously hurt the opponent.
its not that this isn't Uechi ryu karate, I'm sure that guy is very good but when he is put into a unfamiliar situation he forgets his teachings. this is why I think karate practitioners should do kickboxing matches to get them used to unpredictable fighting.
I can see why you say that and you have made a good point, but I personally don't think they should do kickboxing as a supplement for their uechi style Karate due to the fact that both arts work with very different rules and techniques.
@@joelmatus9442 the reasons you stated that they shouldn't crosstrain is the exact reason that they should crosstrain. Kickboxing fights are a lot more realistic than karate sparring, so karateka should absolutely take up some kickboxing matches in order to get that sense of realism.
@@firedude339 Realism? There is nothing realistic about having rapped up hands, padded gloves with technology that helps keep the wrist straight without the user putting any effort, or how about the fact that these guys have to stop every few minutes(rounds) to rehydrate or what not, have someone that can save their ass (referee). On top of all that neuter the sport by taking out all the self defense aspects and the strikes that once made the art effective. All it would teach is aggression. You can find that anywhere. Good technical training, now that's where the money is. If they wish to add something boxing or judo would suffice.
@@joelmatus9442 Yes. Realism. Despite everything you said, kickboxing is a lot more realistic for a fight than karate. I agree that there are a lot of aspects of modern, competitive martial arts that are unrealistic. I agree that rounds shouldn't exist, and that fighters should not wear gloves. I disagree on the referee being unrealistic, because his existence does not impact the fight at all except to enforce the rules, and to protect the fighter once he is no longer able to intelligently defend himself. The mouthguard, to my knowledge, just stops you from losing your teeth. If you were in a real fight and all of your teeth were knocked out, you'd probably continue fighting. A mouthguard is not that impactful to who is going to win the fight. Thank you for your response, though.
This style of.karate is focused on self - defense. The karate fighter isn't using his.body as a weapon. Okinawan karate uses the whole.body as lethal weapom here it is a simple.competion.
Hi and sorry I didn't notice your reply. Getting tons of mail lately :). Even though we agree on what type is what, the truth is that too many martial artists are trying to represent their styles, for either honor or school fame, by attending such arranged fights as UFC/MMA/K1 and so on. Take any style of any martial art, apply it correctly and you will win. It's all about skill and proper application. Which leads me back to topic, that this video didn't show any of that.
@@Shadowrulzalways If that guy is truly an Uechi Ryu practitioner then he must be a novice. I don’t not see any circle blocks, grab techniques or techniques from our kata
Medfordmalden Sanchin is a kata and is the first if you cant master kata sanchin then you cant become even a purple belt. I take a uechi ryu class and im a 1st stripe yellow belt the 2nd belt
Well you have to remember, Uechi-Ryu is deadly and seeing as how this isn’t a self-defense situation, he can only use non-lethal strikes. But Uechi-Ryu has low kicks and punches. It’s similar to Kyokushin. But it also has ground fighting.
This is not even karate, karate is not for offense fighting and should not be performed in competitions at all. Been a budoka for 25 years mostly training jiujitsu but also karate ( kyukoshinkai) for Sensei Mikael Soderberg and martial art is a last resort to save your life, not for measuring skills for medals.
Albeit late to reply, but that's how it is. There is little to no Uechi Ryu used. He's pretty much street fighting. There's no use of any kata techniques or any proper geri. Was this a yellow belt? In my opinion he seems to be very unsure about his form, which implies inexperience. That's not to say this guy has no potential, but he's not really representing Uechi Ryu here and I'm pretty sure any serious student of the style would agree with me. Source: 10+ years of Okinawan Martial Arts.
Jack Hagendorf absolutely a student with under a year if training. Took me 10yrs to get to dan test level in Uechi ryu. Any of our brown belts could ripp both these jokers up in under a minute.
This guy didn't demonstrate a single aspect of uechi ryu. Just another RUclips video where it claims that on guy does said martial art, but doesn't physically express that he does. Maybe he's done a month of uechi ryu and crumbled under pressure? Either way, this wasn't an uechi ryu vs MMA fight.
In a lot of martial arts, you learn how to kill someone, but most of the time when people get into fights they only want to hurt the other person, not kill them. So no, in most fights you don't actually get to use Uechi Ryu, unless you're defending your life.
These guys are wearing gloves the whole idea of karate condition is to hit with no gloves .. martial arts change when you put on or take off gloves.. look at bare knuckles boxing punches that are blah in boxing mma suddenly become effective...
@@reallegendmartialarts3562 donde? No tiene hirate kamae, no veo kotsukake, no hay sanchin dachi, etc. Solo veo que pelea como cualquier mortal, no está representando ningún estilo con sus movimientos, Uechi-ryu no es...
@@reallegendmartialarts3562 que tiene que ver que pelee con ciertos tipos de reglas o no? No debería cambiar su estilo de combate. Decir que cambia su estilo por el reglamento es una falacia. Y el maestro se llama Shinjo, no shindo... Por favor seamos serios si vamos a hablar que sea con conocimiento profundo de las técnicas, no con un vistazo superficial... El peleador puede que haya practicado Uechi-ryu pero no demuestra ninguna técnica del estilo, eso perfectamente puede ser hasta kickboxing...
The people commenting of how bad the karate guy is probably has never sparred before, I practiced many forms of martial arts from Kung fu to boxing to Brazilian jujitsu and it’s extremely difficult to keep your stance in a spar, the best stance is a relaxed springy agile stance, this guy has probably done more than uechi and has learnt his own style but his foundation is uechi. The hardest part about sparring is not freezing up and becoming a boxing bag, I give respect the the karate fighter, he did well
Uechi ryu is meant for self defense most of the techniques aren’t allowed in sport combat because they are so dangerous
I've been sparring for long years... it is hard to see who has mastered karate doing that. 99% of sparring like this are bullshit. It is not even close to what karate teach us. This guy needs to say he does anything but karate.
I've instructed both karateka and military as instructor and all I can say is that all people look for their place in the world. Goran here probably thought it was OK as long as he won, which is fair. In that case the title of this video is misleading and not representative. In my eyes this was a simple brawl.
I actually had a longer reply, but shortly said. There are MANY fighters that don't want to enter the public stage, and quite a few of them are trained soldiers/operatives. MMA/UFC = show.
Where is uechi ryu?
He’s the guy in the white destroying the guy in the black seemed pretty obvious to me.
change title for high school fight ...
Patricio Avendaño is it because the wrestler lost because every time combat sports fighters lose to traditional martial artists this is usually the response from the MMA fans
@@michaelterrell5061 You have reason I did not understand the fight well, what if I know the style is that if Uechi applies a tsuki or maegeri to the sternum, the battle ends in the emergency room...
Patricio Avendaño definitely
Uechi ryu uses open hand strikes. and he is not using the stances
How will he use open hand strikes with a glove?
Uechi ryu does not use open hand strikes (8yr experience), but good lord I've never seen someone fight like t h a t. Then again, all plans go flying away after the first punch, and if they're down they're down so who cares.
For an uechi-ryu ka he's a floaty bastard. And his hands aren't up super high. Scary.
at first I thought both of these guys are beginners. but the karate guy is supposed to be a 1st dan? he didn't seem like a black belt.
He is not even close to a real black belt.
The Uechi practitioner represented our style well. Semper Fi.
I loved Camp Foster.
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How do you compare Uechi to Kyokushin?
This is NOT Uechi-ryu. This is just a glove Karate.
This is a acting bro
Agree
Of course. Real Uechi is not a sport, but a deadly practice
@@aztechnology7996 Yeah their fingers go trough troaths
Agree
To 9th Dragon. Hi there. I'm pretty sure that your Croatian Uechi Ryu karate club is proud of Goran and that he may have improved a great deal. However insulting people in a video you uploaded based on their comments is quite a bad word-of-mouth for your club. If you don't want comments to your videos you can always disable them when uploading future footage.
I look forward to more interesting videos from Deveti Zmaj. :)
Not Uechi.
Ryu bro took a half guard into mount, if he had a lick of grappling it'd be over.
The real uechi ryu karate...hay!!
The old karate is the real karate!
Bruh ! 😳 that karate guy landed a hard kick before they went to the ground..
That's not MMA, it's a novice with clearly very limited training in either standing, clinch or ground fighting. A competent BJJ white belt would have mopped the floor with both in minutes.
because uechi ryu 's punch is deadly .
That is no joke.
You fight for your life, and can take hits if you need to.
That wasn’t an mma guy, that was just some goof off of the streets.
This UECHI RYU player's kick is very powerful, but he did not use the type of 三战, I can not understand why, I have used 三战 in practice, which is a good defense and offensive integration strategy
A fight like this proves nothing. Karate is not designed for tournaments. The Karate I learnt, taught us to fight dirty by attacking the vital organs at the first opportunity you get.
Jeez those okinawan karate leg kicks hurt to watch
As expected. MMA guy heard... karate is easy. Just run in and take him down then all is over. More experienced karate guy, knew what to expect from the MMA guy, and when they actually went down... he could keep his own. Now 3:10 about is where the problem with MMA comes in. In these fights no eye gouching, head butting etc allowed. Not even in MMA. That karate guy would have gone for eye gouges. Or that is what I would have done. Take the eyes out with the fingers. Not fun but in real life situation... extremely fight ending.
mizmera EXACTELY! Real karate is not made for the ring. Groin strikes, eye strikes or any other kind of strike from well conditioned fingers and toes, that can shatter wood and stone, are meant to kill and maim not compete in a sporting event.
+mizmera NO head shots in this either it seems.
While true lots of karate guys and self defense dudes hide behind this excuse. They work through theoretical self defense scenarios which slowly get further and further away from reality as time passes. They also tend to attempted to apply their arts core principles to everything like trying to hammer in a screw.
Generally speaking a a boxer or an MMA fighter is probably going to more effectively execute a headbutt or groin shot better than someone who has run through a kumite 100 times. He actually knows how to execute techniques under pressure.
You are correct about one thing. The person with the most experience is more likely to come out on top in the ring, but I rather be that person/experienced with fist, fingers and toes of steal than the guy likely to get a boxer's fracture after one punch in the real world.
...And "kumite" just means "fight" in Japanese btw. So a hundred "fights" is real experience.
... And a boxer's fracture is the main reason they have gloves in the UFC. Real Karate and some other martial arts only use gloves to protect the other person.
This is just one of the side character's fight. Where is the one with the protagonist?
was this dude a beginer er somethin?
My Dad was part of a Tournament in 1988 (or 89) when we were stationed at Camp Foster, Okinawa.
I was way too young to appreciate his teachings of Uechi-Ryu.
It is not completely lost.
I enjoy the slimming, yet solid muscle results.
Can’t strike the face?? This is not a real fight then.
The karate guye could have punched the MMA guys face when he's hands were down during the standup round . Karate guye's ground game is not bad
no kicking or punching to the face were allowed
Woulda likes to have seen the MMA guy be more versed in ground game. That said the Uei Chi Ryu guy turned that guys legs into hamburger - OUCH!
Lol that guy is mma but doesn't know to sprawl when someone goes for his legs
Who the heck is this "MMA" guy? Has he even fought before? I respect that he would compete, but damn...
I seriously doubt that the Uechi guy is even a 1st dan but the guy is also limited by the rules of the competition just as much as the "MMA" guy is. I use the MMA term very loosely because it is a mish mash of different styles and not an actual system of fighting. On top of that, anyone who comments against the karate guy for not using vital strikes and open hand techniques, these types of strikes are not allowed in nearly any competetive form. When you have gloves and safety gear used to protect the competetors, it also changes the way a person fights. With the way that the Uechi guy is handling himself, it looks like he is relying more on his conditioning and low targeting as a strategy for himself. By using the low kicking, he is disabling the other fighters legs, this can make it extremely hard for the opponent to kick, stand, or move, and I see the uechi guy striking both the inside and outside of the thighs. The inside of the thighs have a lot of weakness. This applies to the stability of the joints, blood vessles, and pressure points. When the guy was taking him to the ground there were multiple things he could have done, but for anyone with practical expirience, you would know it can be hard to respond when someone has you in a headlock from any angle. This applies to any style. as for the benifit of cross training, this always has merit. the reason is because everyone fights differently and this gives you the ability to learn how to adapt your fighting style and techniques to the opponent, rather than expecting them to be superior fighting methods. In a real life situation, the most important factors that play a role are, how much you train (assuming that you are training correctly and not having sloppy standards) as well as training regularly so your techniques become fluid (high level karate does not have one technique or combo of techniques that are used one after the other, the movements of the practitioner are performed as needed and flow around the movements and stance of the opponent. You always fight for the best position (which is usually from the persons back) If you look at some older competitions from the 60's up to the early 80's you would see that those were bare knuckle full contact competitions and they had more in common with early ufc rules than they do modern karate competitions. modern mma has become very regulated and the rules have changed. Original ufc was bare knuckle, had no weight classes, and what determined a fighters level (who you fought) this was based on the fighters that you fought and beat. Some of the few rules that were in place early on were some pretty base level things (No eye gouging, No fish hooking, No hair pulling, and that you could not grab an opponents genitals) That last one got one of the high level fighters banned for a period of time because he had a fight that he grabbed on his opponents groin and even when the ref was trying to separate them to prevent permenant damage for the other fighter, he still refused. But back to the point, if you can't learn to adjust your techniques to the moment, then you'll likely never be able to apply it in real life.
this is true that real karate isnt about sport.you can blind or kill your opponent by some fingers but these all not would be useful unless you touch a real fight experience and get to know how to spar and strike in an effective way
this looked like sport karate
Concuerdo
It isn’t. It’s Uechi-Ryu
@@Shadowrulzalways I know that's not what they called it but sport karate looks different in combat than traditional karate. It looks like traditional karate.
where is the toe kick of the Euchi Ryu
Le Ueshi-ryu karate kenpo , est avec le Goju-ryu, Isshin-ryu,Motobu-ryu des styles lethales .
Et ou peut on trouver du Motobu ryu?
@@revariox189 À Okinawa
It's a game not a fight.
A hard game like rugby or boxe but not Real fight !
Uechi ryu open hands IS dangerous.
Kenji Ushiro would defeat all of them
Where is Uechi Ryu?
I guess you could technically call this sparing, but a dedicated practitioner of uechi ryu wouldn't participate in something like this. His master would kick his butt.
Agreed
I disagree. Why would a Uechi Ryu Sensei be opposed to mma?
Michael Park
Your two points are contradictory. On one hand you say that Uechi Ryu techniques are for self defense only and then you say gloves prevent the use of Uechi Ryu strikes. Also if it’s not for competition then why do the majority f the dojo’s in Okinawa go to competitions?
Michael Park
Uechi Ryu is more than an amalgam of techniques. It’s also the expression of its training modalities. A true fight will not look like kata or bunkai nor does a true Uechi Ryu practitioner need to use deadly force at all time. Control of timing, distance, and your response is just as important as training shoken and boshuken on a makiwara.
A lot of traditionalists in China claim that competitions aren’t real because they can’t use open hand. Xu Xiaodong showed them the importance of competition. If you’re implying that Okinawans compete just for money your sadly mistaken. Most dojo’s are small and don’t generate a lot of income. The majority of the senseis have day jobs.
Along with dojo training, sparring be it point or mma has value. By saying that competition isn’t appropriate or that’s it’s not true Uechi Ryu is disrespectful to our fellow karateka and to the art itself. And that disrespect is looked down upon by our seniors. That, indeed, is not Uechi Ryu.
@Michael Park yeah your right its a "deadly" art but you can still benefit in sparring like this because of the pressure testing even though its limited by rules....you learn timing and spacing and how to keep a cool mind when the adrenalin wants to go nuts. Nothing to be scared of by loosing just keep gaining experience.
Uechi-ryu is a self defense discipline, no a combat sport. It doesn´t work that way. The same way, you don´t put a Krav maga vs an mma fighter. It doesn´t work that way. Please...
I'm 15 and have been a Uechi Ryu/ Shugyo Ryu student from my sensei Mulvey for 10 years now and I have to say the Uechi Ryu guy REALLY disappointed me, what I saw was a complete lack of discipline in his attacks and complete lack of THE ACTUAL TECHNIQUES such as yoko Gueri, even the basic punches like Muwashi Skii and Shomen Skii were completely gone. If the Uechi Ryuist was actually using those techniques, this whole thing would of been over in less than a minute.
Like others have pointed out, karate in general, is just not designed to be a sport. You'll never get truly effective Uechi karate in the ring, it's designed to severely damage and the weapons it works with are covered up or presumably not allowed in competition, we aren't seeing Shoken tsuki to the throat or Sukuto geri to the knees like we would really do when applying the style.
While I do enjoy sparring, there are some things to be learned from it, and the occasional friendly round with friends of other styles are all fun and games, but competing with gloves on and not using the devastating attacks we were trained to use, just isn't representative of Uechi. So, when I see things like this, I say enjoy it or don't enjoy it for what it is. The practitioner probably isn't terrible, it's just the rules don't mesh well with what our style is.
A true Uechi Ryuist tho should be able to utilize all of his abilities no matter what, he may need to adjust them a little, but if you can't twerk the technique to the situation, be it a life or death or not, then you have no control over those techniques. One should be able to use sekuto geri but have enough restraint to simply put the person on the floor, not pop your knee joint of place, or use even the most basic block of muashi ukae and then simply pull him in and use showmen ski to his stomach and the sparring, or fight match is over.
Robert Murphy I disagree. If you're limiting the weapons (hands can basically only do a standard fist, eliminating hiraken, shoken, tetsui, etc) and targets (can't strike the side of the knee, throat, heart etc) you don't really have Uechi. I totally get having broken or unavailable hands or other weapons in a life or death battle due to circumstances and needing to use palm/wrist strikes or others to the vital areas or shuto geri to the knee or shomen geri to the groin or neck to deal with attackers. But if you're limiting the style so much, you don't have an accurate representation of what it does. Uechi is designed to maim and kill. It is super aggressive and rolls over opponents by breaking them. If that's off the table, it doesn't work. It's like saying you get to use Brazilian Jujutsu, but you cannot go to the ground, it would get destroyed by striking styles in that case.
Sure, I can hit someone in the thigh with a sokuto geri, but that's not going to stop them like it will when I explode their knee, so the technique is arbitrarily losing a ton of its utility, because of the rules. If I destroyed their knee, I've taken out that leg and I have that huge advantage. If I can only hit their thigh because of the limitation "we're competing not fighting for our lives", they can power through it, tank it and keep fighting. My technique is limited because I can't utilize it the way it was intended, not because they are skilled or I'm unskilled, but because I'm not allowed to. The case could be made that Uechi sucks for competition, but the case could not be made that the practitioner sucks at Uechi because they aren't allowed to do the technique as it was intended. In Uechi sparring or drills, we stop after demonstrating "I would have just blasted your knee" because we know, if one of us just did that, they'd be going to the hospital. And we'd rather not send our training partners to the hospital, because they have to work, and we like training with them.
I shouldn't need to be a powerhouse with a sokuto geri to hit them in the thigh where they can flex and possibly tank it. Putting their thigh muscle resistance against my attack isn't what my technique was designed for. Martial arts are generally designed for the mechanical advantage, with the least input for the maximum output. I can mechanically destroy a knee for around 12 lbs worth of pressure from the side, that's why I train the sokuto geri, I don't care to try and test its power vs their strongest bone and a huge muscle, I want to destroy a weak spot that will cripple them with little input. That's real Uechi.
Straight up, I can tank your sokuto geri all day to my thigh I've taken multiple blows with roundhouse kicks straight to the thigh from up to kyudan opponents, but you kick me in the side of the knee with a solid sokuto geri and I will fall down on the first attack. The latter is what our style was designed to do.
If we're wearing gloves, mouate are arbitrarily inhibited. And frankly, it's not easy to land on trained fighters that don't make haymakers and leave their hands out. On big kicks, they're a little more practical.
As for shomen tsuki to the stomach, against a trained fighter, good luck with that. If you hit me in the abs with one of those, again, I'll tank that all day, especially if you're wearing gloves. I mean, I've tanked side thrust kicks to the abs in dan testing and continued right on fighting without a break in the action. A shomen tsuki to the abs will not stop me, or any other trained fighter that is paying attention to you. In fact, if you went for that, I'd most likely be blasting you in the face or kidney.
I really have no idea what you're sparring with, but I fight dan levels and that bullshit won't stop them.
Not trying to be mean, but Uechi is absolutely not a competitive sport, it is a martial art. It's great at the latter, but it is not designed for the former and when it is taken down because it wasn't allowed to destroy that knee, break that arm, strike that throat, or gouge those eyes, you're not really comparing apples to apples.
Robert Murphy ya I agree. A minute would be a long time. Maybe for both those fairies at the same time brother. UECHI RYU #1 always. Ont. Canada. Blk bar on brown.
Exactly if this guy used any of those techniques it’s game over. Uechi ryu isn’t made for sport the techniques don’t work with gloves and you could seriously hurt the opponent.
Šta je ovo?
its not that this isn't Uechi ryu karate, I'm sure that guy is very good but when he is put into a unfamiliar situation he forgets his teachings. this is why I think karate practitioners should do kickboxing matches to get them used to unpredictable fighting.
I can see why you say that and you have made a good point, but I personally don't think they should do kickboxing as a supplement for their uechi style Karate due to the fact that both arts work with very different rules and techniques.
@@joelmatus9442 the reasons you stated that they shouldn't crosstrain is the exact reason that they should crosstrain. Kickboxing fights are a lot more realistic than karate sparring, so karateka should absolutely take up some kickboxing matches in order to get that sense of realism.
@@firedude339 Realism? There is nothing realistic about having rapped up hands, padded gloves with technology that helps keep the wrist straight without the user putting any effort, or how about the fact that these guys have to stop every few minutes(rounds) to rehydrate or what not, have someone that can save their ass (referee). On top of all that neuter the sport by taking out all the self defense aspects and the strikes that once made the art effective. All it would teach is aggression. You can find that anywhere. Good technical training, now that's where the money is. If they wish to add something boxing or judo would suffice.
@@firedude339 don't forget about the mouth guard and head gear too. Realism?
@@joelmatus9442 Yes. Realism. Despite everything you said, kickboxing is a lot more realistic for a fight than karate. I agree that there are a lot of aspects of modern, competitive martial arts that are unrealistic. I agree that rounds shouldn't exist, and that fighters should not wear gloves. I disagree on the referee being unrealistic, because his existence does not impact the fight at all except to enforce the rules, and to protect the fighter once he is no longer able to intelligently defend himself. The mouthguard, to my knowledge, just stops you from losing your teeth. If you were in a real fight and all of your teeth were knocked out, you'd probably continue fighting. A mouthguard is not that impactful to who is going to win the fight. Thank you for your response, though.
Mmmmmm.... guinness...
Uechi style but a lot more grappling then I’ve ever done
Well the style has grappling. Cuz it’s a self-defense style.
@@Shadowrulzalways I don’t do much and I practice in the kenyukai association
@@benn_jamming6753 You mean Kyokushinkai?
What is this nonsense? No Uechi Ryu, no MMA either. The so called MMA guy doesn't even know the basics. Ridiculous.
This style of.karate is focused on self - defense. The karate fighter isn't using his.body as a weapon. Okinawan karate uses the whole.body as lethal weapom here it is a simple.competion.
...just an once of Judo in there would have turned the tables for either fighter. I saw multiple hip throw opportunities. Good fight regardless
頸から上は手・腕による打撃を禁止にしているみたいだね。手による顔への直線的な打突は、腕を伸ばす為の移動空間距離が必要となるが、この攻撃を受ける心配がないから、間合いを詰めた下段回し蹴りのような技が初めから使われる。リアルファイトとは異なる、競技的な間合いで行われるので、見ていて違和感がある。
Nice fight
Decathlon sparring
the skill level is awful
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Hi and sorry I didn't notice your reply. Getting tons of mail lately :). Even though we agree on what type is what, the truth is that too many martial artists are trying to represent their styles, for either honor or school fame, by attending such arranged fights as UFC/MMA/K1 and so on. Take any style of any martial art, apply it correctly and you will win. It's all about skill and proper application. Which leads me back to topic, that this video didn't show any of that.
How so?
Forza Belveder !!
I see no uechi ryu being used
Well, at least it would have been a proper fight ;)
If he had went out there and did those big circle blocks, and unnatural pigeon styled stance, he probably would have got his ass kicked.
Uechi Ryu Traditional Karate?...no man...Uechi Ryu one punch ,one dead .This is a shit
I don't see "uechi ryu" ?
It is more like shorin ryu, the way he ground fighting
Are you sure that guy was Uechi Ryu? Looks more like some sport karate style.
It is. Uechi-Ryu fights like that in real life.
@@Shadowrulzalways If that guy is truly an Uechi Ryu practitioner then he must be a novice. I don’t not see any circle blocks, grab techniques or techniques from our kata
@@ninthkaikan1544 In Sparring, a lot of times it ends up looking like kickboxing.
Bravo Gorane !
In the past there were no styles, only techniques.
All is in Sanchin, where the hell was Sanchin? Not here.
Medfordmalden Sanchin is a kata and is the first if you cant master kata sanchin then you cant become even a purple belt. I take a uechi ryu class and im a 1st stripe yellow belt the 2nd belt
BearKing500 Believe me I sure know what Sanchin is, and it was nowhere to be seen in this video
@@Medfordmalden are you related to Roy Medford who used to live in Antioch and studied under Alan Dollar?
Click bait
One thing - can't call this Uechi Ryu. go find out what real Uechi Ryu is.. there is no room for anyone to grapple!
No uechi ryu stances, no uechi ryu footwork, no ueachi ryu attack and defense, there is no uechi ryu here
Well you have to remember, Uechi-Ryu is deadly and seeing as how this isn’t a self-defense situation, he can only use non-lethal strikes. But Uechi-Ryu has low kicks and punches. It’s similar to Kyokushin. But it also has ground fighting.
This is not even karate, karate is not for offense fighting and should not be performed in competitions at all. Been a budoka for 25 years mostly training jiujitsu but also karate ( kyukoshinkai) for Sensei Mikael Soderberg and martial art is a last resort to save your life, not for measuring skills for medals.
Albeit late to reply, but that's how it is. There is little to no Uechi Ryu used. He's pretty much street fighting. There's no use of any kata techniques or any proper geri. Was this a yellow belt?
In my opinion he seems to be very unsure about his form, which implies inexperience. That's not to say this guy has no potential, but he's not really representing Uechi Ryu here and I'm pretty sure any serious student of the style would agree with me. Source: 10+ years of Okinawan Martial Arts.
Jack Hagendorf absolutely a student with under a year if training. Took me 10yrs to get to dan test level in Uechi ryu. Any of our brown belts could ripp both these jokers up in under a minute.
Uechi Ryu is NOT suppose to be like that...
it ends up like that because they way you fight will depend on the rules of your sparring session or competition.
Down vote for this lie of a title
chaos ...no karate🤣
No hay uechi ryu.
WTF am I watching..... they're as bad as each other.
This guy didn't demonstrate a single aspect of uechi ryu. Just another RUclips video where it claims that on guy does said martial art, but doesn't physically express that he does. Maybe he's done a month of uechi ryu and crumbled under pressure? Either way, this wasn't an uechi ryu vs MMA fight.
Perdi meu tempo... Karate dança, não é karatê nem MMA o que esse cara de kimono faz...
The problem with Uechi Ryu is that when the dudes are in a real fight they dont really use uechi ryu.
Yeah they do. Apparently you have never researched enough of it.
thats the case with a lot of martial arts
In a lot of martial arts, you learn how to kill someone, but most of the time when people get into fights they only want to hurt the other person, not kill them. So no, in most fights you don't actually get to use Uechi Ryu, unless you're defending your life.
Sloppy...
This is total bullshit ! This is at the best karate for kids but certainly not uechi ryu nor mma
UECHI RYUUUUUU.??? MMA ??? THIS LOOKS LIKE A COMMON BAR-FIGHT,, WITH NO STYLE
Que luta feia
I SEE NO UECHI-RYU EMPLOYED...
why no punching in the face??
the mma would win if they have punching in the face
Uechi-ryu?
More like Usketchi-phew!
These guys are wearing gloves the whole idea of karate condition is to hit with no gloves .. martial arts change when you put on or take off gloves.. look at bare knuckles boxing punches that are blah in boxing mma suddenly become effective...
esto no es uechi ryu
CLARO QUE LO E
@@reallegendmartialarts3562 donde? No tiene hirate kamae, no veo kotsukake, no hay sanchin dachi, etc. Solo veo que pelea como cualquier mortal, no está representando ningún estilo con sus movimientos, Uechi-ryu no es...
@@kakashikungfu por esta peliendo con reglas MMA pero acuerde se que en uechi Ryu hay patadas bajas
@@kakashikungfu veo los videos kihoye shindo si no me cree de uechi Ryu kenyukai
@@reallegendmartialarts3562 que tiene que ver que pelee con ciertos tipos de reglas o no? No debería cambiar su estilo de combate. Decir que cambia su estilo por el reglamento es una falacia. Y el maestro se llama Shinjo, no shindo... Por favor seamos serios si vamos a hablar que sea con conocimiento profundo de las técnicas, no con un vistazo superficial... El peleador puede que haya practicado Uechi-ryu pero no demuestra ninguna técnica del estilo, eso perfectamente puede ser hasta kickboxing...
Not MMA and not Uechi :(
Proof? 🤦🤣
@@Shadowrulzalways The level of competitors is very low. I am referee of MMA and Couch of Pankration MMA. So I see bad techniques.
@@darekmajchrzak4444 Yeah but you don’t know Uechi-Ryu then. I mean it has thise style punches and kicks.
@@Shadowrulzalways blows to the body only cause no defense against blows to the head. This does not justify the low technical level of the players.
@@darekmajchrzak4444 It’s not the low level. It’s the rules of the match. Cuz apparently no head shots were allowed.
This is no uechi ryu. . .
No Mma No uechi ryu