Clear as mud! The safety I'm familiar with is: 1 you call safety prior to shooting 2 you hit any one of your balls or a rail first 3 any ball must hit a rail. If you hit a rail 1st (doesn't matter how many) the 1st ball hit must be one of your own. I interpret the mud as you cant call safety and make one of your balls.
This is pretty much the way we played on my home table except we would have the person who drops the cue ball on foul has to pull out one of his balls and place it on the break spot,
I thought it was ball in hand after scratch on break. Never heard of combo 8 ball to start the match. Stripe to solid combo is fine or vice versa on first shot after break no?
When breaking, the cue ball is placed behind the head string... is this determined by the center of the cue ball or the most forward edge of the cue ball? I've always placed the center of the cue ball on the head string. Some players are telling that's too far forward and I don't really see clarity regarding this point in the rules or this description of the rules.
Question, I play 9 ball far more than 8 ball for starters. If the object ball is missed because of a great defensive leave is it ball in hand for the opponent like 9 ball?
Great Video. I'm looking for further clarification on 2 specific areas of the rules: (1) Call Shot: As indicated in the video, I must nominate one ball in my group to be the object ball and indicate which pocket I plan to pocked it in. What happens in the case where: I have no direct shot to any of my object balls, I miss the ball I have nominated to be my object ball, but I do make contact - first - with another ball in my group? My guess is that there is no foul, but it is loss of turn? (2) Ball Driven To a Rail. How is this rule applied when the object ball is frozen to a rail, and does not get pocketed during the shot? To consider the frozen ball to be driven to the rail I think it must leave the rail and return to that rail or a different rail. What about the cue ball? I'm assuming that it must be very obvious that the cue ball first touched the object ball and then hit the adjacent rail or another rail.
1. Correct, no foul but loss of turn. 2. To my knowledge, if the object ball is frozen to a rail, that counts as contacting the rail. This is one of the only legal safety shots where the cue ball can lightly make contact with the object ball and neither of the balls subsequently having to make contact with a rail.
@@samuelock Think you may be confusing rules dealing with a ball frozen to a rail and a cue ball frozen to an object ball. For a ball frozen to a rail: see WPBA rule 8.4 "8.4 Driven to a Rail A ball is said to be driven to a rail if it is not touching that rail and then touches that rail. A ball touching a rail at the start of a shot (said to be “frozen” to the rail) is not considered driven to that rail unless it leaves the rail and returns. A ball that is pocketed or driven off the table is also considered to have been driven to a rail. A ball is assumed not to be frozen to any rail unless it is declared frozen by the referee, the shooter, or the opponent. See also Regulation 29, Calling Frozen Balls.
So maybe an odd question so it's me against you game one I break but "mis cue" and fail to make 4 balls hit a rail if you choose for me to re rack and you break now on game one who breaks for game two
Sorry, there are at least 3 contradictions in the rules as stated. I assume this is straight from the BCA rule book because it's very dry. I will keep looking to see if i can find other video which has examples and resolutions of all the nuances.
1 it says 8 ball can be used to hit an object ball then it says forfeit turn 2 it says you can call safety and make your own ball then calls it illegally pocketed@@warblerab2955
the rule of having to stay behind the head string is stupid! It punishes the shooter when the other shooter made the foul. Should be ball in hand anywhere on the table.
I'm gonna add on this for clarification. If you hit your object ball in and your cue ball knocks in your opponents ball, do you forfeit your turn or keep playing? Even if you were going for the pocket that you originally intended. Furthermore, what if you have the same scenario but you include calling your opponents ball in the pocket?
I was wondering too and from what I've read on multiple forums as long as you legally pocket your called ball and no foul was committed, it's still your turn. You can even do it on purpose to clear your opponents ball from a pocket. If I'm wrong someone correct me
@@bluered1322 I watch BSA / CSI tournaments and in 8 ball I've seen world champions purposely use their object ball to knock an opponent's ball into a pocket or out of the way if their ball is blocking a pocket. As long as you hit your object ball first, you can carom or play your opponent's ball. Only the 8 ball is not legally playable until it's the last player's ball.
from what ive been told as long as your ball goes in first then you go on with your tun as usual, but if the opponents ball gets sunk first then its their turn, no ball in hand tho
I hate playing at bars because people there don't know the rules. I called pocket,hit my ball first it went in but the cue ball struck their ball after it hit my ball and knocked it into a pocket and dropped before my ball did. They said because it dropped first its their turn. Ridiculous. They also want me to call every rail and knick off.
That's kind of my question - if I shoot my ball in legally and then the cue ball knocks in the other person's ball, do I keep shooting or does it make it the other guy's shot? Regardless of which ball hit the pocket first. Thanks Rob...
If there ball drops first then it is a foul. I never knew that. I was taught as long as I hit my ball first and made my called shot what ever happened after didn’t affect regardless of when the balls fell into pocket
@robertgroff2105 yes. You get to keep shooting as long as you hit your ball first, it goes in clean or as what you called, even off another ball you keep shooting. It doesnt matter if the cue ball or the ball used as a combo goes in.
No you misunderstood. During a legal break when you scratch the ball (aka your cue ball was accidentally pocketed) the cue ball is placed behind the head string and the cue ball must go past the head string and pocket any object ball. During a scratch at any other time during the game it’s ball in hand anywhere.
there is a big difference in Tournament VS House VS Player RULES lol Any of them can end up in a big Argument. If everyone would just play a certain set of guidelines life would be easier. A lot of Whine Bags will ADD Rules as they go to their game so its as tough as possible haha seen this so many times especially for MONEY!!!!!!!
Please help and explain, i was playing 8 ball pool the other day and my friend had called a 6 to 8 ball combo to the corner pocket he was solids i was stripes. He said in league rules that would be a winning shot. House rules its a losing shot. So help me with this can you really pocket the 8 ball with your solid ball as long as it called your fine or do you lose the game?
It’s a Loss. Whatever league rules he claimed to be playing by is a fantasy land league and he’s full of Shhh . Does he also claim if your cue ball is tight against the rail you can move out a couple inches so you can easily shoot. Lmao 🤣🤣
@@shobhitverma7303 I can't find this par. in rules, wich forbid pocketing opponent's ball. If you pocket your own ball in called pocket and didn't faul, you continue your approach. In list of fauls there is no pocketing opponent's ball.
@@carloscervantes1947 The question was: if player hit right ball first and then pot this ball to called pocket + pot opponent's ball. I think, that it's legal shot.
As clear as mud. First it tells you that 'When the table is open it is legal to hit any solid or stripe or the 8 BALL FIRST in the process of POCKETING the called stripe or solid.' So you can hit the 8 ball first and knock in a stripe or solid, as long as you call it. So far so good. Then it says: 'However, when the table is open and the 8 BALL IS THE FIRST BALL CONTACTED, no stripe or solid may be scored in favor of the shooter.' !!!??? Would someone at BCA please make up their minds. Thank you.
I think I see what you’re saying. Here’s what I took from that: If the table is open, you can strike any ball first (solid or stripe, excluding the 8 ball… for now) to pocket the called object ball. Once pocketed, colors are determined and the game moves on. When the table is open and the 8 ball is struck first and used in combination to pocket a called object ball, colors aren’t determined yet. They are determined when the next ball is pocketed on the same shooter’s turn, given the ball IS pocketed. If the second object ball is not pocketed, the player forfeits his turn, and the table is still considered open. At least that’s what I took from it.
@@samstone2348 Thanks for your view Sam - it helps to make things a bit clearer. What I think now is that you can hit the 8 ball to knock another ball in, but it doesn't count for determining a group. The shooter can then carry on with his next shot and if he makes a ball then that is his group. If he doesn't make a ball then, as normal, it's his opponents turn and the table is open. Hope that's what is meant.
I would recommend redoing this video and not use billiard terminology... I love pool and my family just recently purchased a table. I am now playing a lot more often, but I'd like to start playing it the correct way (with rules) This video was way too confusing for me to understand. Like rail..? what is that?
The rail is the rubber covered border inside the table that the ball bounces off of. I agree the pool terminology is a bit much at first to understand. The lingo will quickly be learned tho it's easy. Thanks for the comment will take that all into consideration. Enjoy the game.
A call shot game not a call pocket game that so many unskilled players fall back on. The integrity of the game is to call the shot which will make the ball into the pocket if the object ball bounces off another ball to go into that pocket it must be called before hand.
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This says im allowed to call safety shots but then defines illegally pocketed balls as someone calling safety prior to a shot...
Clear as mud! The safety I'm familiar with is: 1 you call safety prior to shooting 2 you hit any one of your balls or a rail first 3 any ball must hit a rail. If you hit a rail 1st (doesn't matter how many) the 1st ball hit must be one of your own. I interpret the mud as you cant call safety and make one of your balls.
It simply means calling a safety and pocketing a ball is the same as making a ball in an uncalled pocket, no foul but it becomes your opponents turn.
This is pretty much the way we played on my home table except we would have the person who drops the cue ball on foul has to pull out one of his balls and place it on the break spot,
Ty👍🎱
Very well put. Thank you
Much superior or APA rules.
My dude was definitely proving a point when he stated that some of these 😁
I thought it was ball in hand after scratch on break. Never heard of combo 8 ball to start the match. Stripe to solid combo is fine or vice versa on first shot after break no?
Ball in hand behind the head string after the break if you scratch look it up an win you some money everyone thinks it’s anywhere on the table 🤣
@@Louisiana-critter-getter I've played a lot with different skill levels. I prefer ball in hand after any foul/scratch but I always ask so it's cool
Best 8 balls rule this is
Great video, thank you
When breaking, the cue ball is placed behind the head string... is this determined by the center of the cue ball or the most forward edge of the cue ball? I've always placed the center of the cue ball on the head string. Some players are telling that's too far forward and I don't really see clarity regarding this point in the rules or this description of the rules.
Question, I play 9 ball far more than 8 ball for starters. If the object ball is missed because of a great defensive leave is it ball in hand for the opponent like 9 ball?
Is it any rail or all the way to the back rail (towards shooter)?
Great Video. I'm looking for further clarification on 2 specific areas of the rules:
(1) Call Shot: As indicated in the video, I must nominate one ball in my group to be the object ball and indicate which pocket I plan to pocked it in. What happens in the case where: I have no direct shot to any of my object balls, I miss the ball I have nominated to be my object ball, but I do make contact - first - with another ball in my group? My guess is that there is no foul, but it is loss of turn?
(2) Ball Driven To a Rail. How is this rule applied when the object ball is frozen to a rail, and does not get pocketed during the shot? To consider the frozen ball to be driven to the rail I think it must leave the rail and return to that rail or a different rail. What about the cue ball? I'm assuming that it must be very obvious that the cue ball first touched the object ball and then hit the adjacent rail or another rail.
1. Correct, no foul but loss of turn.
2. To my knowledge, if the object ball is frozen to a rail, that counts as contacting the rail. This is one of the only legal safety shots where the cue ball can lightly make contact with the object ball and neither of the balls subsequently having to make contact with a rail.
@@samuelock Think you may be confusing rules dealing with a ball frozen to a rail and a cue ball frozen to an object ball. For a ball frozen to a rail: see WPBA rule 8.4
"8.4 Driven to a Rail
A ball is said to be driven to a rail if it is not touching that rail and then touches that rail. A
ball touching a rail at the start of a shot (said to be “frozen” to the rail) is not considered
driven to that rail unless it leaves the rail and returns. A ball that is pocketed or driven off the
table is also considered to have been driven to a rail. A ball is assumed not to be frozen to
any rail unless it is declared frozen by the referee, the shooter, or the opponent. See also
Regulation 29, Calling Frozen Balls.
@@alanharris3277 this is clarifying, thanks
Not every part of these rules are used on ALL matches!
3:16 to 3:30 contradicts itself. Can i hit the 8 ball first or not?
NO
Is this q-masters billiards?
So maybe an odd question so it's me against you game one I break but "mis cue" and fail to make 4 balls hit a rail if you choose for me to re rack and you break now on game one who breaks for game two
the player who did not break in the last game. in this instance, it would be you
Just play where if the breaker doesnt sink one he s done with his turn
Sorry, there are at least 3 contradictions in the rules as stated. I assume this is straight from the BCA rule book because it's very dry. I will keep looking to see if i can find other video which has examples and resolutions of all the nuances.
🤔mind telling us what the 3 contradictions are?
Yes, it is dry, that's for sure.
1 it says 8 ball can be used to hit an object ball then it says forfeit turn
2 it says you can call safety and make your own ball then calls it illegally pocketed@@warblerab2955
If I break and one stripe is pocketed does that mean I must be stripes?
No
Depending on rulings I guess.
BCA rules its still an open table continue shooting whatever you make next is yours. If you dont make 1 its STILL open.
4:13 legal shot
What if one break the balls and sink the black ball first
The breaker (one) can re-rack or put the 8 ball on or close to the black sticker spot on table and continue ones turn.
If I call a combo but I pocket the correct ball in the called pocket but I didn’t not use the combo is that a foul
No
what system uses the a b c ranking ststem?
3 foul is not loss of game?👀
the rule of having to stay behind the head string is stupid! It punishes the shooter when the other shooter made the foul. Should be ball in hand anywhere on the table.
I'm gonna add on this for clarification. If you hit your object ball in and your cue ball knocks in your opponents ball, do you forfeit your turn or keep playing? Even if you were going for the pocket that you originally intended. Furthermore, what if you have the same scenario but you include calling your opponents ball in the pocket?
I was wondering too and from what I've read on multiple forums as long as you legally pocket your called ball and no foul was committed, it's still your turn. You can even do it on purpose to clear your opponents ball from a pocket. If I'm wrong someone correct me
No foul, just collateral damage
@@bluered1322 I watch BSA / CSI tournaments and in 8 ball I've seen world champions purposely use their object ball to knock an opponent's ball into a pocket or out of the way if their ball is blocking a pocket. As long as you hit your object ball first, you can carom or play your opponent's ball. Only the 8 ball is not legally playable until it's the last player's ball.
from what ive been told as long as your ball goes in first then you go on with your tun as usual, but if the opponents ball gets sunk first then its their turn, no ball in hand tho
I thought pocketing your opponents balls was a foul?
I hate playing at bars because people there don't know the rules. I called pocket,hit my ball first it went in but the cue ball struck their ball after it hit my ball and knocked it into a pocket and dropped before my ball did. They said because it dropped first its their turn. Ridiculous. They also want me to call every rail and knick off.
That's kind of my question - if I shoot my ball in legally and then the cue ball knocks in the other person's ball, do I keep shooting or does it make it the other guy's shot? Regardless of which ball hit the pocket first. Thanks Rob...
Bar rules differ because the 8 ball cannot be recovered on a coin op table…
you keep shooting unless their ball drops 1st
If there ball drops first then it is a foul. I never knew that. I was taught as long as I hit my ball first and made my called shot what ever happened after didn’t affect regardless of when the balls fell into pocket
@robertgroff2105 yes. You get to keep shooting as long as you hit your ball first, it goes in clean or as what you called, even off another ball you keep shooting. It doesnt matter if the cue ball or the ball used as a combo goes in.
How come I see us open when scratch on legal break the incoming player has ball in hand anywhere in the table
US Open is played with different rules.
No you misunderstood.
During a legal break when you scratch the ball (aka your cue ball was accidentally pocketed) the cue ball is placed behind the head string and the cue ball must go past the head string and pocket any object ball.
During a scratch at any other time during the game it’s ball in hand anywhere.
@@khaluu2000 was watching us open 8 ball and when scratch on break next opponent ball in hand anywhere. Lol
@@TerryWilsonModels what rules does US Open use? WPA?
if I dont pocket the object ball but another of my balls goes in, is that ball in hand, switch of player, or do I keep shooting?
No ball in hand, just loss of turn
switch of player unless you fail to hit ANY one of your balls 1st then ball in hand
Only if you called it to happen that way
What if I pocket the cue ball after I pocket the 8 ball ?
Lose
For a combination shot, can you hit your ball, then an opponent's, to your ball again to the pocket?
Yes as long as you make contact with your ball and pocket one of yours as well.
Yes as long as you call the intended ball.
@@brandonsnowball1070 Ok...I never knew that.
and pocket
What are they doing at the beginning of the video?
lagging to determine who breaks
I thought 8 ball pocketed on the break ment a win 🤷🏽♂️
Its supposed to be, Golden Break. But depends on the tournament and rules.
there is a big difference in Tournament VS House VS Player RULES lol Any of them can end up in a big Argument. If everyone would just play a certain set of guidelines life would be easier. A lot of Whine Bags will ADD Rules as they go to their game so its as tough as possible haha seen this so many times especially for MONEY!!!!!!!
That is the rule for a bar game…..on a coin op table the 8 ball can’t be recovered….
Not in BCA. Most bar house rules play that for whatever reason.
Do not confuse 8 ball with BCS 8 ball.
Why do they have to call the 8 ball when it’s obvious?????
Because it's the most vital part of each game of 8ball and you'd be surprised how many people might try to weasel their way into a victory.
Calling the last shot of the game avoids an argument when the 8 ball is potted in an unexpected pocket. Fewer stabbing when big money on the game
Its tradition too
Please help and explain, i was playing 8 ball pool the other day and my friend had called a 6 to 8 ball combo to the corner pocket he was solids i was stripes. He said in league rules that would be a winning shot. House rules its a losing shot. So help me with this can you really pocket the 8 ball with your solid ball as long as it called your fine or do you lose the game?
No. The eight ball can’t be legally pocketed until you have pocketed all of the balls from your group of balls.
If the 6 drops 1st and all other solids are pocketed I think its legal.
@@Twogreenfeet not of it's the same shot/stroke. This is a loss
It’s a Loss. Whatever league rules he claimed to be playing by is a fantasy land league and he’s full of Shhh . Does he also claim if your cue ball is tight against the rail you can move out a couple inches so you can easily shoot. Lmao 🤣🤣
Can we have the text.
il add it in the description in the AM
@@InsidePOOLmag Thank you so much.
@@InsidePOOLmag Was that ever updated with the text?
@@derylleon nope
@@InsidePOOLmag i don't see it
er.. you got alot of fucked up rules.
What happens if you pot an opponent's ball in pool?
With your own ball
It remains pocketed , you lose your turn and it's not a foul
@@shobhitverma7303 I can't find this par. in rules, wich forbid pocketing opponent's ball. If you pocket your own ball in called pocket and didn't faul, you continue your approach. In list of fauls there is no pocketing opponent's ball.
If I touch my ball first and accidentally hits an opponents ball in pocket. It's not a foul but loss of turn keep the game going
@@carloscervantes1947 The question was: if player hit right ball first and then pot this ball to called pocket + pot opponent's ball. I think, that it's legal shot.
As clear as mud. First it tells you that 'When the table is open it is legal to hit any solid or stripe or the 8 BALL FIRST in the process of POCKETING the called stripe or solid.'
So you can hit the 8 ball first and knock in a stripe or solid, as long as you call it. So far so good.
Then it says: 'However, when the table is open and the 8 BALL IS THE FIRST BALL CONTACTED, no stripe or solid may be scored in favor of the shooter.' !!!???
Would someone at BCA please make up their minds. Thank you.
I think I see what you’re saying. Here’s what I took from that:
If the table is open, you can strike any ball first (solid or stripe, excluding the 8 ball… for now) to pocket the called object ball. Once pocketed, colors are determined and the game moves on.
When the table is open and the 8 ball is struck first and used in combination to pocket a called object ball, colors aren’t determined yet. They are determined when the next ball is pocketed on the same shooter’s turn, given the ball IS pocketed. If the second object ball is not pocketed, the player forfeits his turn, and the table is still considered open.
At least that’s what I took from it.
@@samstone2348 Thanks for your view Sam - it helps to make things a bit clearer. What I think now is that you can hit the 8 ball to knock another ball in, but it doesn't count for determining a group. The shooter can then carry on with his next shot and if he makes a ball then that is his group. If he doesn't make a ball then, as normal, it's his opponents turn and the table is open. Hope that's what is meant.
@@samstone2348 That can't be right, because - "The shooter loses his turn ... the incoming player addresses the balls with the table still open"
Totally needs rewritten as the 8 ball is NOT neutral and if struck 1st the opponent gets ball in hand!
@@Twogreenfeet Correct. People should write rules BEFORE they have a heavy, liquid lunch 😀
I would recommend redoing this video and not use billiard terminology... I love pool and my family just recently purchased a table. I am now playing a lot more often, but I'd like to start playing it the correct way (with rules) This video was way too confusing for me to understand. Like rail..? what is that?
The rail is the rubber covered border inside the table that the ball bounces off of. I agree the pool terminology is a bit much at first to understand. The lingo will quickly be learned tho it's easy. Thanks for the comment will take that all into consideration. Enjoy the game.
I had one guy explain terms of pool with terms from polo...like I play polo.
Well, you could just learn the terminology.
Some people call rails bumpers.
A call shot game not a call pocket game that so many unskilled players fall back on. The integrity of the game is to call the shot which will make the ball into the pocket if the object ball bounces off another ball to go into that pocket it must be called before hand.
BCA - When calling the shot, it is NEVER necessary to indicate details such as the number of cushions, banks, kisses, caroms, etc.
So you have to call ALL of your shot? Wtf
No. Just the object ball and which pocket it’s going to
Slop doesn't count brother
No you dont. Only if thete is a question of your intent or if you do a combo, etc