Chu Shong Tin's teachings in the last decade of his life - Nima King - PART 3
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- Опубликовано: 16 окт 2024
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Part 3 - At the end of the talk Nima discusses some interesting things and stories about Master Chu Shong Tin's abilities.
*A note about this channel the lineage:
Sifu Nima King is the owner and team leader of Mindful Wing Chun, a CST Wing Chun school in Hong Kong with affiliations around the world. Mindful Wing Chun is wholeheartedly dedicated to passing on the internal wing chun method as passed down by Grandmaster Chu Shong Tin who was the longest serving student of Grandmaster Ip Man. Chu Shong Tin lived with Ip Man for 5 years (1950-1955) and was coined the title ' the king of siu nim tao' by his master Ip Man.
He was a legend in the world of Wing Chun (in particular the internal method of wing chun) and spent 64years passing it on full-time before he passed away in 2014. Nim King practiced under hin in Hong Kong for 9 years and established Mindful Wing Chun under CST's guidance. Nima is also on the board of Directors for the 'Chu Shong Tin Alumni' which is a group of senior students of CST that were hand picked by him to establish the Alumni and to uphold and continue his teachings and Wing Chun legacy after he passed away.
Grandmaster Chu Shong Tin was a very humble and low-key Wing Chun Master therefore its only after we began putting his videos online, that people started to hear about him. In fact, majority of the main Wing CHun teachers (of the Ip Man lineage) who began practice in the 50s and early 60s (apart of Leung Sheung and Lok Yiu) were trained by CST even-though they were Ip Man's students. This is due to CST being the most snr and main teacher of Ip Man's school in those days.
Nima was lucky to start his practice under CST in 2005 because that's when CST decided to change his teaching to all internal practice so that he can pass on "Nim Tao' and 'Nim Lik' (the mind power/energy cultivated through internal Wing Chun practice) to his students.
Nima, even though a non-chinese and much younger than the other students of CST, attained a high level of these final teachings. He now mainly teaches the seniors within this lineage and also travels around giving workshops and is working on an online program so that master CST's teaching can have a greater reach.
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Brilliant as ever, Sigung would be proud of you as we all are in our lineage.
Cheers for the kind words brother
Maaaan I love you Nima! I love everything you're doing for us and HOLY SHIT thank you so much for sharing all these great feats of Master Chu as well as his legacy, I almost shed a tear. It is my dream.. no.. my desitiny to one day be able to work hand in hand with science and explain all this, but more importantly reveal this to the world. Together we can all continue his legacy... Master Chu lives through us all. I am blessed to have a great Sifu whose teaching me this gift now and mark my words, the Western world WILL know about this.
Hahaha, love your energy bro and yes! let's get it out there for everyone to enjoy!!!
He is the Nima king, the long awaited kung fu dragon.
mr. king, i just got done viewing your 3 part video on sifu chu’s manifestations of internal power...very interesting stuff. thank you for sharing
Glad you enjoyed them Scott. And thanks for taking the time to write this kind comment
Interesting listening to you and Chu Shong Tin’s talks about Nim Tao. I believe a similar concept is found in Chi Gung. I recall a book by a Master Lam Kam Chuen which used a set of exercises focused on visualising baloons between the fingers, knees, and every other joint around the whole body. These intentional or visualised baloons help to not only give a measurement of space between the joints, but also that they act as imaginary cushions, helping one to relax whilst holding difficult positions. The joints while bent in a natural position (not forced), and by visualising the baloons to expand allow one to ‘grow’ outwards without muscular commitment and without straightening, giving a feeling of outward intention between all of the joints, as well as the limbs in their relation to the body. Some call this energy chi, though many mistakenly relate it to a ‘force’ such as is in the Star Wars movies... Some interpretations liken it to the air. In fact Chi Gung is mostly focused on the breath (of the air) and the natural ‘control’ of breathing. Wing Chun does this too with breathing correctly. Though this energy of intent could also be interpreted as the space in which air or the breath fills, which could also be applied to that of the expansion of the joints Chu Shong Tin has mentioned in relation to the outward expansion or the rising intent of Taigong and Seng via Nim Lik.
I have been finding your videos very interesting and informative. Thank you for your great efforts in keeping Grandmaster Chu’s legacy alive~
Thanks very much for sharing your training method and experience with us. And very happy that you find the videos interesting. Will keep em coming :)
I love your passion Sifu Nima, it get me excited on my internal practice of Wing Chun. Would like to ask this video is 7 years ago, do you look back on your videos and would explain it differently. Would like to hear your current ideas on your practice. Thanks for sharing!
Thanks for the support and kind words. Always happy to share. You can continue following the channel and check out the most recent videos to keep up with my current ideas. Better would be to check out our online school if you haven't already as there is 1000 times more footage on there with hundreds of hours of Chu Shong Tin footage that is not public online (for copyright reasons)
This video made me so happy.
Thank you very much sifu Nima.
Im glad to hear that Mateo. Its my pleasure. Hope all is well with you wherever you are. stay happy and healthy!
Thanks alot Sifu Nima, 3 course meal of food for thought, again you have astounded me, i think as practice with meditation gets bettter, and as the quality of meditation improves, then so does calmness of mind chatter decrease, and i think once its gone totaly then u can use all of your mind with certianty and without doubt and question, because the part of our mind that gives us duality is also the part of our mind that gives us doubt and tell us we cant do things, once we can silence this bit, then there is no question to our abiliity to move along that fine line, i think this has something to do with what u say, doing it with openess and with love ralther than with GRRRR removes many doubts and obsticals
excellent comment and well put. Thanks for taking the time and sharing
Thank you Nima!
My pleasure John
I really don’t understand internal king fu and I’ve certainly never touched hands with someone who practices it, but I’m fascinated by your lessons. Along with the multitude of other credible people discussing the topic, the possibility there’s something special and yet unexplained can not be discounted.
Yeah man it certainly is something very real. Having said that there is a lot of BS out there and there are plenty who claim they are teaching it but actually its just a marketing tool for them. The only way is to actually experience it for yourself by either feeling it from a genuine practitioner or feel it within your own body and mind by following a genuine practice that will get you there. For our method you can check out www.mindfulwingchun.online if interested. Best of luck!
@@MindfulWingChun thanks for the link. Any info on your retreats? I notice they’re usually held in SE Asia and that’s an area I’ve been meaning to visit that region via Hong Kong and Macau.
Awesome video. I'd be very interested in seeing MRI results. With that much force pushing on your Sigung's body, there must have been heat generated somewhere. In the cartilage, etc. You've got some great stuff. I wish I could get out to Hong Kong to see your school.
Yes do get tested in an FMRI would be great. Unfortunately he's gone so we need to settle for less and test one of the other people who have some capability in this method.
Sifu Nima, I have practiced siu nim tao in different ways now, ALOT over last week, both with linking breath, and doing it with no feeling of movement, moving very very slowly, i think after study of this, ive noticed that when i change my breathing my focus changes... so ive had different perspectives when my breathing changed, when i did it extreamly slowly, i started to notice tensions in posture, and i also noticed start end end points of tendons and i see there is a window between those tendon motions, the other thing is that i only physicaly moved when i was totaly relaxed, changed everything quite a bit. I think linking to breath had the effect of rounding off movements so the movments become syndronised and fluid... so two very big and different perspectives from changing speed and syndronous/async breathing.. I also applied this to chum kiu and i can start to feel the second axis.. everything seems to be activating and changing. Thank you so much Sifu Nima, Would never have been able to see this without your videos of Sigong and Yourself, Thank you for sharing
Excellent. Very happy to hear that ! Nima
I'm going to share this on my FB page, in the hope that someone will share this and some martial science will take place.
hopefully :)
thanks Nima for sharing.
pleasure mate!
Very interesting love these type of vids that go im depth with body movement and mind focus. learned a lot thanks
Happy to hear you actually watched the whole thing and got something put of it man. Will keep them coming. cheers!
Very interesting information! Would like to see more of it.
Glad you thought so Ivan. And will certainly keep them coming...
I enjoy your video and sharing a lot, and I do look forward to meet you someday. There is another you tuber, Man Alex, I wonder if you have seen his videos. It would be lovely, if both of you could meet and explore each other further too. Thanks Nima, you have been great!
Hi Marcus, thanks for t=your kind comment. Actually Alex has been training at my school for the past 6 years and he comes there every Saturday :) if you follow his facebook you'll see him post videos from his training there weekly. He is very open minded cause he's been training for over 40years and still comes to learn from me and practice with my students. he is very good with what he can do especially taking the fact into account that he is now 70years old!
hope for you master nima to be the best in wing chun
haha, thanks very much for the kind wishes Wael. I just hope that I can fulfill Master Chu SHong Tin's wishes in being able to pass on his teachings to as many people as possible before I leave this planet :)
Great stuff!
Thank you Oliver
There a couple of things that come up here, there's this other guy called dynamo jack who could do all kind of weird stuff as well. Than there's Mantak chia who goes into details about how these things work on an energy level. Personally, I think it all has to do with becoming more subtle, the more subtle you become the easier it becomes to move energies within the body. At not as much wowo energies, I mean actual energy of external force. We always start with like basic redistribution of energy, eventually moving it to the ground. But if we have access to much more subtle framework we could transform energy into anything else, even just body vibration on a very subtle level. It's interesting to see how all of these things naturally intertwine with natural functions. Like we trauma, animals (including humans) release their body through body vibrations (TRE). In vipassana they teach you clearly feel these vibrations and any other form of tension you experience is a gross force. After some time you can transform these gross forces within the body to a subtle vibration on an atomic level.
interesting indeed. thanks for taking the time to share!!
The energy isn't being dissipated it's being rerouted back into the aggressor. That's why a person can feel immovable. It really is all about the wrist and the point of contact if you're palm to palm. Have a partner push you similar to the illustration you showed. If you both project correctly you'll feel a repelling force similar to a magnet. The trick is sending the energy back by balancing out force while maintaining neutrality. Dont add or subtract power just match his output.
Thanks for the kind comment. It might be interesting to know that Chu Shong tin could do that to incoming force not just at the wrist. he could do it when you pushes on his chest, on his forearm (in chisau) etc. It was rather mind-blowing and hard to believe even though I was there and feeling it from him day in day out!
Cheers,
Nima
I agree 100% it can be applied using any part of the body. In my old school, we called this skill projection. Wrist projection is mainly used for attacking/defending with hands, forearms and elbows. Conversely the ankles assume the same function for the legs. At higher levels it can be applied in any situation whether grappling or striking. Thanks for the response
Its kinda like when a bubble pops, it doesnt pop in one place and then move around to the rest of the bubble, all of it pops at one instant, be like the bubble, soft and ready to pop hehehe
That's a fun way to look at it :)
Thank you for posting. By chance did Master Chu do a standing practice? A form of stillness and meditation, cultivating the mind, body and breath? Using the Yi, Chi, Li, Shen formula?
The only practice he did was Wing Chun and his standing practice was Siu Nim Tao (and the other forms). He kept saying that it's all in Siu Nim Tao.
Thanks for the reply, much appreciated.
gosh, I wish I could learn from you
Hey Marco, nice meeting you here and thanks for the comment. Man actually I'm 5years late in my reply but its good timing for me to have ready this. Because we're going through a big lock down here in Hong Kong I wanna give back and make sure ppl don't go mad being stuck at home so am offering a free month for my online school to Hong Kong residents. My guess is you're already on the online school but if not, am happy if you wanna also take advantage of this offer. If so, You can go to www.mindfulwingchun.online and choose the monthly subscription option, then make sure to enter the coupon: 1MFREE and you'll see that the first month is free for you. cheers Marco and hope this helps :)
As both you and Sifu Kaufman are both CST students, do you do seminars together to share his teachings?
John actually only spend a total of a couple of weeks training with Chu Shong Tin. He trained with Master Chu's student, Sifu Ma Kei Fa who is a dear friend of mine in Hong Kong.
When you stand on the scale and someone pushes you. Your weight should increase or decrease? When I stand on the scale and someone pushes me - my weight lowers on 4-5 kg (my own weight is 70 kg). When I see videos with CST his weight was
increasing. I tried to avoid leaning forward because when you leaning forward your weight will lessens. So I stand upright without leaning back/forward and just move my hand straight into assistant’s hand and my weight is decreasing on 4-5 kg.
Yes the key is not to lean forward because when we lean we obviousely get lighter. It's not too difficult to get lighter by a couple of KGs; but CST has 2 people trying to push him over and he was significantly lighter on the scales (I'm not sure exactly how much weight was decreased and transferred into the opponents but). cool stuff!!
The only way he could get lighter according to physics is if he could transfer some energy/weight back to the pusher. There is no other way, energy can't be lost according to the Conservation of energy.
Hey Nima, I have a feeling I can do those things. I haven't tried lifting a bo sideways but I will try it with a chair on its side. I can already do DK Yoo's chair lift. I will let you know my results and, by the way, you might like to read my ebook when it comes out. It's so far a thousand pages though. I really geeked out on that one. I love internals. Perhaps, we can work together in the future. :)
Sounds good Keni. And yes it'd be great to meet in the future. Where abouts are you based?
Can you please describe again when CST was on the board with wheels? You pushed CST with full force and board didn't move and CST was upright?
Hi, Yes i did push on him but admittedly it wasn't full force. I was pushing hard enough to let's say make a 40kg pot-plant slide across the floor. applying a tenth of that force would already unbalance others or move the wheels of the board.
Hi Nima,
There is quite a bit of research on Fascia. I recommend a book called "Anatomy Trains" as well as a google search on the concept of Tensegrity. There is a lot of genius from Yip Man which was passed on to the first 3 students.
Cheers from Shanghai and the Leung Sheung lineage.
www.shanghai-wingchun.com
Hey David, apologies for such a late response. Its interesting cause in the past couple of years there has been so many people sending me videos and articles on fascia and I certainly believe it has so much to do with what we're trying to achieve.
Appreciate the share and hope you guys are keeping well. Bit of a shitshow currently in Hong Kong with covid unfortunately...
Mr. King, maybe this article may have a small bearing on what was going on with Force absorbtion, after all, if ligaments of ALL joints were doing this Spiraling-like action.....just a thought.
-Ash
www.internalpowertraining.com/The-IPT-Blog/ArticleId/187/the-utility-of-the-spiral
Hi Ash, Thank you for your comment and sharing man and apologies that it took me so long to see this. I just tried to click on the link and it doesn't seem to be active any more. Any chance you could kindly resend the article, as I'm very interested in reading it? Thanks in advance
that was brilliant, I did enjoy that. so are you saying, keep your mind intent on the target or imaginary when engaging the body in ffwd movement. and is there a little tension in the abs like yoga keeping core engaged
at all times. Anyway, wish you guyz all the best.
Yes, Keep your mind on the target (where your arm will stop moving finally) but also mentally visualize the path that the arm must take to get to the target (i.e. straight line).
And the abs shouldn't be tense. the feeling can be described as: imagine you are trying to stop yourself from going to the bathroom (#2) but do not use tension of muscular force. the intention will have a very slight lift at the anus area. this helps to relax the abs, lower back, hips and the entire mid section, therefor connecting the upper and lower half in a mindfully relaxed way.
hope that makes sense.
Thanks for reply, and yes that makes sense. Thanks again.
Hi Nima, I'm a Sifu under the Ip Chun linage (based in Sweden), I'm the founder of our soft internal WingChun based on WingChun internal energy development pattern that we called BioEnergy. The secret of the WingChun internal energy is based on the TeiGang (hip raising position in triangle structure),, the development are based on the 3 force theory of 1. Mindfullness, 2. Mind-power (NimLik) and then 3. BioEnergy. This are the 3 level of the sk. internal development from WingChun. BioEnergy is a energy form that can use not only for martial art application but also for healing that I also doing demo on my students. In WingChun this is mainly develop the negative energy form that has soft
characteristics, comparing to hard martial arts. The common question are how WingChun internal energy differ from QiGong, and the common answers are that WingChun internal does not store energy in DanTian due to may reasons, the WingChun energy are on demand from the ground. For more information please read our web www.wingchun.st
Hi Peter, nice meeting you here and thanks for sharing. So Taigung actually shouldn't raise the hip with what we do in our method, it is just a simple activation of the very deep core muscles with results in the interconnection of the upper and lower halves of the body. The pelvis and lower spine must stay in neutral position at all times.
Also, the power of the CST method of Wing Chun comes from the center of mass and at higher levels we dont absorb nor bounce the force from the ground. Actually just today I finished editing a 3part video on this subject with CST explaining and demonstrating it, so stay tuned :)
Let me know if the above makes sense and is similar to what you do please? Cheers from Hong Kong Peter.
I'm curious. CST was doing any form of meditation?
No. I asked him once and he said Siu Nim Tao was his meditation :)
hi Nima, in my opinion, Sigung can play with force, guide it to ground, keep it at the contact point or rebound it and he could do everything with force if he want, right?
Hey mate, yeah that's exactly right. Actually I was just editing a video on him talking about this today. I'll be posting it up soon so stay tuned...
Hi nima king I think we might have to start looking toward quantum physics and how it relates to your state of mind. zero point energy is very interesting it has to do with the immense energy something has when it is completely still. I think there maybe a relationship to this and the single pointed mind. just a thot haha. peace my friend thanks =D
Hi Michael, thanks very much for your kind comment and idea. By the way apologies for getting back to you this late as I missed this comment for t=some reason! Are you currently studying quantum physics? And if so any detailed insight into this subject that you would be open to sharing with us here? thanks man
@@MindfulWingChun i had forgotten all about this comment haha🙏💖 I think I was just researching or came across this concept of zero point energy or the immense energy of stillness at the time. I'll have to look into it again
Imagine a guy telling you to stay completely still and then initiating movement and then try to stop him
Like if sprinters off the block could only go after the first runner got to start.
-You guys can start after I start
Then after I win, I’ll use that result to give credit to my agenda-
You can’t make this stuff up lol
He needs to slow down when speaking...otherwise it was great sharing !
Thanks for the advise Alvin. You're not the first person to tell me that and you are right! I get a bit too excited and passionate about the whole thing so I tend to rant at speed :) Also, I'm actually not very comfortable in front of a big crowd and get nervous so that may also have something to do with the speed of my speech. Cheers!
This guy lives to talk..a lesson on how to use a thousand words to say very little
we should not blame our lack of understanding on other people. Instead, spend time trying to study and understand. Perhaps its just way over your head
@@MindfulWingChun you hurt bro ?
Did you watch the John Chang video? He could generate electricity from his body and light a newspaper on fire. I wonder if this the spiritual forces Jesus was able to tap into?
Not sure about what Jesus could do to be honest :) And yeah I did watch the videos on John Chang. Very interesting and mind blowing stuff if its all true
Witch-craft. I call witch-craft. Sign me up.
hahaha
hope for you master nima to be the best in wing chun
hahaha, thanks my friend! I'm going to try and be the best I can be for myself. There will always be someone better because no matter how could someone is they will still get old and frail eventually. Thanks for the kind words though!