Nice review! Changing pad banks on the MV8800 - Hit pad bank button and hold. Then tap the pads. 1-6 changes pad banks. The MV8800 is a wonderful unit.
keep telling people the MV 8000/8800 Is one of the most underated machines out there couple years back when WAXDAT 8800 showed me how to really get busy on that machine I was done with the 3000 and 4000 . Sound wise I got it to sound like the MPC 60/ 60II and swing like My SP 1200 pretty easy .
The compressors and EQs on the MV with in the MFX and the Mastering Sweet are top notch. I’ve had one since 07’ and I can’t achieve that same punch and low end on anything else. I’ve been on Studio One, FL, Ableton, and Logic….can’t get that punch. I run beats I made on a DAW through the MV
Being a gear hoarder, I will always lean towards the 4k as the sound engine and swing to me sounds more rugged krispy like. The 8800 is just clean studio ready let's go. I pulled out most of my hair trying to learn the 8k and 88k. Jeeez workflow slows you wayyyyyy down
@@titanjake8640 yes I just have MV8000. Never had an MPC. Load time I definitely see. Menus if not using the VGA probably too. I'll have to learn about groups and see what that's about.
Just a couple of items concerning the MV that were missed. Sequencer: The MV can switch between linear and pattern based sequencing by pressing the PATTERN button on the front panel at any time. At that point, you can string together pattern sequences into making a song just like the MPC. Pads: The MV pads also support after-touch as well as the MPC. In addition, concerning the sound of the newer MPCs such as the MPC X: there's an emulation mode that you can set for the audio output to vintage MPC60 or MPC3000 as examples. You can also change the sampling bit depth to get that grittier feel for lower bit resolution.
Great comparison! The MPC 4000 can autochop. In SAMPLE EDIT, select the number of regions to chop the sample and go to the SLICE SAMPLE function. Select CREATE A NEW PROGRAM and your chops will automatically be spread out across the pads. It doesn't have the level of detail as the MV 8000/8800, but it's there.
automatic cutting of samples is available on both MV and Akai; samples are cut off irrevocably, while on MV they are cut virtually and your sample banks do not suffer from this
What I always tell people about working on the MV is to stop thinking about the MPC when your standing in front on the MV…. And here’s an MV tip: go into it and find the Band Pass Filter… you can dial in as much lo-if grit as you want and stop thinking mpc when you’re working on it.
mpc4000 has no low-end. sound wise the mv8800 is way ahead and the mpc4000 basically sounds like a computer, cold and brittle, whereas the Roland MV8800 sounds warm. pitch/transposition is fantastic on both. You can make tape like effects with the pitch+lfo on both machines. There other ways the MPC4000 is ahead on the Mv8800 but sound is not one of them and also the filters on the MPC4000 are just shrill and awful and the envelopes are not analog sound at all, far too linear and so sounds don't sustain and gradually shrink away, they just die off.
I had both for a short period of time, and I've felt the 4000 workflow was easier and way more intuitive to operate on. Got every feature a producer would need and even more. Built like a tank, reliable, crisp sound. Goated machine
One thing I liked when I switched from NI to Akai....Akai seems to have a larger support following both hardware and software. The MPC doesn't become a "paperweight" after so many years. I have friends who are still using MPC 1000's.
The 4000 is one of the best MPCs because Roland was on their ASS! 🤣 I wish they were still in the MPC-competition game because Akai has taken their time on a LOT of user requests for no reason other than complacency. They moved fast to make standalone units as a response to Maschine, but now that they have no serious competition they've slowed down the innovation. I had the 8000 and would still have it if I didn't have a rough patch in 2011-2012. Great review bro, just subbed. Keep up the great work!
I saw a video of RZA using the MV. I had to see if it was actually good or if he was just getting paid. Even he said it had a learning curve. They both look like good machines. Everything has pros and cons. Thanks for going in detail
1:20 In 2020 I still got a Windows XP desktop that I never got rid of so I could actually use that USB function if I had a 4000. I have a 500 and I use the USB to transfer sounds onto the CF card. I didn't realize that if I didn't have XP I wouldn't be able to do it so thanks for the info. Back to watching the comparison.
i Like my MV800 But certain things Are annoying Like you have to turn each sample 1 by 1 to a oneshot and choke group ,the CPU is Slow , and and the pads are too soft and the work flow is easy to get lost in. it has way more features than the 4000 but i just feel for me the MPC4000 is a quicker workflow Oh one tip no one seems to know on the 4000 If you plug a usb qwerty keyboard to the front of the MPC4000 you can use it to type and as function keys like daws have short cuts (because the letters are the buttons ) Good review though i look forward to seeing more
Thanks for your comment!! I never knew that about the keyboard on the 4000 thats a real time saver!!! I Completely agree with you about the everything you said on the MV. I wish someone would hack the firmware on the MV to bring a update to correct a lot of those issues and maybe change the Sequencer to something like the JJOS. I feel the workflow is much easier on the 4000. Thinking about it more , I really don’t know what’s better, I great workflow or having all the features... Thank you again with your great comments!!!
@@1Tekneek someone is hacking the firmware now. He is getting somewhere but this is a monumental task because he has to reverse engineer the source code. This may take many years to complete but it will be interesting if he can pull it off.
It's easier than that for a single patch. Just go to the solo/porto menu and select mono. Boom! The patch will now choke each other because it's set to mono mode!
@1Tekneek Thanks for a great comparison. This is truly one of the best comparisons on You Tube with regards to the breakdown and information on two instruments. I may be biased as I'm into drum pad sampling workstations but I really like how you broke down everything and gave the reasons for your opinions. I've never used either of these machines but in the close ups of the screens and the menus I understood the 4000 more, maybe because I use old MPC machines. More than likely the 4000 would suit me more but the MV is impressive even today and would be a great alternative to the MPC X if the budget is tight and an all in one machine is needed. Great stuff King. Subbed.
The MV is slower but sounds warm and punchy with great fx. It can do everything without a Computer. Kinda like a ASR-10. The MPC is gonna need other stuff but excels at getting ideas down quick and being the master sequencer.
Can the mv8 audition sounds from the hard drive while a sequence is playing? Thats one thing I didn’t know before i got the mpc 4000. Im so used to ipads and daws that I didn’t even know the mpc couldn’t do that. I think you can on jjos but not on the mpc 4k.
1 Tekneek yea i picked the 4k over the mv8 mainly because others complained the mv8 slow start and i noticed that some parts are harder to come by. Appreciate the positive content. Most of the Mpc forums are old or have bitter ass dudes on there.
Beat Rumble no worries, your mpc is a great piece!! It may be missing a few things that makes life easier but it also has features that others don’t have. I love the workflow on it, the sequencing is top notch. The overall piece is one of the best ever. Don’t stress yourself by comparing the 4000 with programs on the computer because those apps is something that evolves daily. Remember to have fun and don’t be afraid to try new gear when having a chance to find what works best with your workflow. One last thing, Loyalty when it come to name brands will keep you limited, try everything as it may spark new ideas, for me at the end of the day I can make a same caliber of beat on my iPhone as I could on a MPC or Maschine, you don’t have to spend Thousands of dollars to achieve the same outcome.
@@thebeatrumble Could it be that MV loads samples when it starts and 4k doesn't? I know MC-808 can switch that in settings so the start time changes dramatically. Then again 4k and MV are strictly sampling machines so it might not have that option.
@@mdjey2 I’m not sure I never actually used an MV. The 4K doesn’t load samples when you start so every time you turn it on it has a blank template. Im not sure if MVs start with a blank template
In terms of functionality, MV8800 is MPс4000 and MPС5000, That is, in MV there is the functionality of two aкai 4000 and 5000 and even more,but in terms of sound they are different.They are both excellent cars, but the MV is better. And ease of use is a matter of taste for the reason that you are used to the MPС.In addition, the native CD drive(MV) is actually a DVD drive and it reads DVD discs very quickly and easily.And it also works great with 1 GB instead of the maximum 512 RAM.In addition, with a connected monitor and mouse, functionality and convenience increase
I don’t know too much about the MPC 4000 but I know my MPC 5000 is extraordinary!!!! I don’t get the hate on it whatsoever. I’ve made countless bangers with zero restrictions on it….you heard that correct ZERO RESTRICTIONS…..my ideas have always come through on the MPC 5000.
keep this content coming man love it! quick question, how does the 4000 handle importing different bit /sample rates ? I own an mv8000 and definitely find myself constantly having to convert to 16 bit as the MV doesn't handle 24 etc.
@Ste Kuya The 4000 has two different recording modes, 44kHz (16 bit) and 96kHz (24 bit). It can only be used in one mode at a time though, and you can't transfer sounds and projects between them. But in 96kHz mode the 4K can read 24 bit samples.
The feeling i get out of the whole video is that MV 8800 is more of a mixing/mastering workstation that also has a sampling/synth option as an extra.Meanwhile MPC4000 is an all in one machine but no in the same depth.
Thank you for your comment!! The best way I can explain it is, the MV is a all in one box, you would never need any outside gear to complete a full song start to finish. The sampling and chopping is more detailed in the MV and that that’s a good thing. The MPC has a great sequencer to compose your songs format as a instrumental, it lacks audio tracks for vocals, on fly warping features for live performances or fast bending to a projects tempo. It’s kinda night and day but the MPC is great and has a fast workflow to compose instrumentals.
@@gaarakabuto1 you're missing the point. It was not a "mixing/mastering workstation", Roland had the VS series for that. The MV was legitimately better than the 4000 at a lot of "MPC-Type" tasks. I had a 2000 classic in '97 and mastered it over 6 years... got the MV and never touched it again. It was for all intents and purposes a better MPC. It's what pushed Akai to make the 4000, but even coming out 2 years after, the 4000 still lacked features the MV had.
Here is another one for a live gig I would load up 10 programs at once and seamlessly swap beats with no issues. The MV would be very cumbersome (for me) to swap over as there tooooo many features and windows to swap through. There is so much more. You have to kinda be a gear head to get what we mean
Found my mV8000 for $150 bucks pawn shop Found the mv8800 for $350 bucks pawn shop Found 4k way before the MVs for $700 on ebay (seller said he did not know how to use it!!) I turned her on made a track in 20 mins. Ahhahah I have alll of the MPCs (stand alone) except the 6 and the 4k is my favorite period. Least fav is the plastic 5k. Horrible. It has dust on it. Lol.
Mv 8000 is hundreed time better than mpc!!! Only one thing on the mv is not perfect is time to load I own a mpc5000,1000with jjos,500 and mv8000 The important point who made me to kick out my mpc and my cpu from my studio is : -mv8000 had different time signature for each track -mpc had only one time signature for each track from a sequence -Mv write song in grid mode (best point for me!!!) -mpc write song in event list ,this way to doe is really not intuitiv way to doe and need to write on paper how to organise your song!!! -in live set Mv can play all patern (sequence for mpc) together -mpc can play only one sequence -mv had 16 banck of 16pads of patern or sequence when you play live -mpc can play only one sequence at once -mv had 16 banck of 16pads of track for playing live in patern mode -MPC had 4banck or 6 max for the mpcX So finally for me the mv is like you have one mpc5000 (i speack about the 5000 because is the one i own and perfectly knowing)under each pad - when you had a midi home studio mpc had manny trouble for the clock in slave mode , the mv stay stable like a rock in master or slave And for finish , if you had a midi home studio , owning a MV change totally the way to thinking your studio a mv transfofm your midi studio in only one gear with the possibility to build a patern with the sound of all your gear in the same patern!!! MPC just can't , mpc are just another master midi seqencer but didn't transform your studio and your way to think of creating music For all this reason mv are a billion time better than mpc!!!! And manny more like the template possibility for had different groove from the same sequence Just the load time are long on the mv is the only thing i can tell who is bad for MV
Thank you for your comment! I feel the same way bout the workflow on the MPC. That simple, classic but effective sequencing makes the MPC is top notch for workflow. The only area I would say that has a faster workflow on the MV is in sampling, chopping, warping, assigning and applying to a patch (program) The MV has more features and fast to access then the MPC in that area.
The MV is x10 faster than the 4000 in chopping sampling material. The MV sounds also x10 better than the 4000 that sounds like ass in comparaison. MV can be quicker far than the 4000. Only the 2500 and 1000 with JJOS can be as quick as the MV. But you need to know the unit well this beast is full of tricks.
Mv8800 outside the initial load times is actually just as fast as the 4k you join st have to know your way around. If you use to the fantom or xp keyboard layout and sound engine structure you move faster on the MV. If you coming from the Linn MPCs you move quicker out the gate with the 4 . The 8 also has some sequencing tricks that speed things up like if you copy a pattern and just mut what you don't want one one or the other when you line them up in song mode the mutes will go in and out so you don't have to go through the whole delete or copying one track at a time . Also has alot of different ways to get to the same point.
If its still relevant. While chopping on the 4k you basically have the amount of region to choose of which start and endpoints you can then manipulate. There is no "manual" chopping mode but you can do it in a way it was done in the older s-series samplers. What you did in your trim window you scrolled to desired start and end points and then extract that piece rather than discard rest of the sample.
The MIDI Maniac thank you for that! I think the next video I’ll tackle is a step by step on how to DJ with the MV, I’ve had a lot of people ask me to do a guide, so I’ll start that one today.
Lee Da Hitman thank you for that!!!!💪✌️ @The Midi Maniac did a great review, I was so impressed by it and the way he sold it, I almost went out and bought my own expansion pack 😆😆😆
Hey great comment, I tried the akaisys on win 7 64bit and couldn’t get it to install, Then I installed a win xp on macs boot camp and that worked, I’m not sure if vista is before or after win xp , I would have to ask the google machine.
@@1Tekneek I'm on Windows 10, I set up a virtual machine with windows xp, and was able to run both Aksys and Recycle. Using a shared network folder I'm sending chops from Recycle in my computer to my 4000.
MurderToCassette dope! Bro I found a better way of sending pgm that you made on mac or Pc to the mpc4000 all together, I’ll have a Tutorial done today on my channel.
Both rock,but for live work,my Ensoniq ASR10 smokes both of them...The Akai and Roland are tabletop units for production,so it's really only a matter of workflow..I will get BOTH,because for the money,it's amazing...The Roland is actually different and possibly better for different types of music...for that BoomBap..Akai...
Thanks for your comment. It’s not the most important , but does help with loading up with sounds from your computer. A lot of people these days choose to record vocals in software so being able to access that along with a standalone is a plus.
To me the sd card did speed it up for loading tracks and searching sounds, but the processor is still slow so expect to boot up still take a min or two
@@1Tekneek since Ive had the unit for a few days now, I know the boot time depends on the last song saved, also, I just bought the Jewels pack from you 5 minutes ago, that was me lol
@@1Tekneek copped it and it's a beast, the converters are crazy, I may do a pad sensor cleaning or order a new one for future replacement, all in all, it's dope asf
dude, your facts are Wrong.. the USB transfer .. you dont need to update the mv to a sd card.. the transfer takes about start of a joint to smoke and half way through your joint you will be like, i need to transfer more
SAYITAGAINNEWS Thanks for the comment!!!! Man you got a good deal on that!!! How do you like it? If you ever need to load up the MV with sounds I got expansion packs on my website www.1tekneek.com
umm the mv has pattern based and the daw sequencing , u can do everything the mpc can do u dnt know what u talkin about bro lmfao ,m the mv is def a better machine then the mpc by far
None of this matters because Roland MV users are not children that debate and argue over the Internet. What matters is results as in music, not a bunch of gossip, chatter, and grandstanding. The FACT, these are nOT the same machines, so the so called comparisons are a waste of time..
Lol , if u know the history on these 2 machines u would no they both came out around the same time and they always got compared to each other, it’s really not that serious to get upset and leave a lengthy comment about specially for someone who says it’s all about the music , but spends time watching RUclips videos..
@@1Tekneek First of all using Illogical fallacies and feminine type statement swill not make me leave, will make me laugh. Those girlie tactics are trying to imply someone is 'upset' and saying something so infantile about the length of a message are laughable. I have no reason to be 'upset' and you're making it all up, even though it has no basis in fact. I have been around both machines, one my friend has an showed me how it works, and I own the Roland, and that's called practical experience. There is NO discernable fake 'beefs' with any other brand community in existence from any other brand, nor with YT female producers/artists, which speaks for itself. I never have and will never be upset over an inanimate object/tool to make music. I have 4 different samplers from different brands, and in the real world outside of YT, intelligent people do not squabble and gossip about who uses what. One of my friends who has the 4000 and another Akai, a documented 30+ year experience in performing around the world, was more than fine with sharing ideas about our samplers... Next, just because someone writes more than you does not mean it's not based on facts, evidence, nor dilutes the message. So by that mindset, if you write a response of 50 words and someone writes 40 words, then the 50 word message becomes untrue? I know things get compared, yet that does not change the FACT those two machines have two different intentions. The MV ultimately was made to be a WHOLE studio in a box, from getting the sounds to mastering to burning a Red Book CD, for distribution marketing, or simply to play out in a club. Now If you are going to cry again because my message is longer than yours, too bad because just like you write, I have the same right. If you get bent out of shape and want to use girlie tactics that have nothing to do with the actual subject, feel free to entertain me with that nonsense. Most of these machines on YT, including computers, cameras, etc, get compared so much until I cannot see a YT page without a comparison video , Mac Vs PC is only a thing online, yet pops up frequently as if either one matters, when it's the same endgame. All that is what children do, like when you compare ice cream cones by the Mister Softie truck. I can use whatever, and fact is, i have my eye on the Isla 2400, Akai MPC Key 61, the Akai S6000, and another ASR10 if I can find a good price. Oh and if this is too long, you do not have to keep trying to chatter back. This is a public forum, and I write what I feel like just like you do..I spend time watching and you spend time making them, so what's actually your point? duhhh...
@@1Tekneek...hmmm...Funny thing is, you came at me, yet somehow I got a notification from YT that one of my responses was removed, due to 'violating' TOS. After I wrote them back, I figured it was probably you, and behold, one of my responses was deleted. Now I know what you're made of trying to say someone else was 'upset'...
@@1Tekneek Take your own advice, since you're the expert on nothing..Like I said,illogical fallacies used as a tactic to deflect. I am not your bro and you can make me do nothing, yet feel free to come and try Until you can make that happen you might as well give directives to your children , you pets, or whatever gives a crap.
Nice review! Changing pad banks on the MV8800 - Hit pad bank button and hold. Then tap the pads. 1-6 changes pad banks. The MV8800 is a wonderful unit.
MV 8800 is a underrated Beast. Facts
It's such a complete machine. Has so much to offer!
@@theMIDImaniac Yes!
More under rated than you realize.
MC-808 is underrated too. It has such a vast synth engine.
It is just so damn sloooooow. My God loading and saving a project. They overbuilt that damn machine
keep telling people the MV 8000/8800 Is one of the most underated machines out there couple years back when WAXDAT 8800 showed me how to really get busy on that machine I was done with the 3000 and 4000 . Sound wise I got it to sound like the MPC 60/ 60II and swing like My SP 1200 pretty easy .
Man how you get that 12bit dirt from mv8800? I have mv8800 and I’m more than happy. But that tip will be level up for my mv8800
@@duleswim ruclips.net/video/wdttaHegGfE/видео.html and ruclips.net/video/HQBnkZKu_cQ/видео.html That Brother WAXDAT 8800 a Jedi Master on that joint
@@duleswim 2 ways Lofi Processor or Radio Modeling
@@MrScrooge1980 are pitch up and down technique and the de emphasis
@@jamesjr2550 what do you mean?
The compressors and EQs on the MV with in the MFX and the Mastering Sweet are top notch. I’ve had one since 07’ and I can’t achieve that same punch and low end on anything else. I’ve been on Studio One, FL, Ableton, and Logic….can’t get that punch. I run beats I made on a DAW through the MV
agree. the low end is amazing
Both are classic machines which will always be relevant. Especially in the right hands.
Thats what up, end of story.
I always laugh when people ask "which sounds better?
you instantly know what level that persons at.
(not a dis)
Being a gear hoarder, I will always lean towards the 4k as the sound engine and swing to me sounds more rugged krispy like. The 8800 is just clean studio ready let's go. I pulled out most of my hair trying to learn the 8k and 88k. Jeeez workflow slows you wayyyyyy down
@@titanjake8640 can you give an example of how workflow slows you down on MV? Just curious cause I haven't had MPC
@@aanon2550 do you have one. ? 8000 or 8800. Load time and menus. There are no groups like the MPC
@@titanjake8640 yes I just have MV8000. Never had an MPC. Load time I definitely see. Menus if not using the VGA probably too. I'll have to learn about groups and see what that's about.
I bought an old refurbished Dell Lattitude tablet running XP on ebay for 50 bucks and use that with my 4k, works great. AkSys is the software.
Dope!!! That should help a lot with AK Sys
I watched it completely! Multiple times!
Great comparison and a confirmation that I chose the right unit.
Best comparison on RUclips 👍
DJ GeorgiePorgie thank you brotha glade u liked it!!!
Just a couple of items concerning the MV that were missed. Sequencer: The MV can switch between linear and pattern based sequencing by pressing the PATTERN button on the front panel at any time. At that point, you can string together pattern sequences into making a song just like the MPC. Pads: The MV pads also support after-touch as well as the MPC.
In addition, concerning the sound of the newer MPCs such as the MPC X: there's an emulation mode that you can set for the audio output to vintage MPC60 or MPC3000 as examples. You can also change the sampling bit depth to get that grittier feel for lower bit resolution.
All facts 💯
Yeh but those emulations sound like garbage imo. If they sounded good there wouldn't be any talk about the sound of old MPCs.
The new MPC sound real sterile and flat. Their workflow is incredibly fast.
Yep, also you can audition new sounds while your beat plays and the simply tap record add it right in
Great comparison! The MPC 4000 can autochop. In SAMPLE EDIT, select the number of regions to chop the sample and go to the SLICE SAMPLE function. Select CREATE A NEW PROGRAM and your chops will automatically be spread out across the pads. It doesn't have the level of detail as the MV 8000/8800, but it's there.
automatic cutting of samples is available on both MV and Akai; samples are cut off irrevocably, while on MV they are cut virtually and your sample banks do not suffer from this
You can set the pad sensitivity on the MV8800
What I always tell people about working on the MV is to stop thinking about the MPC when your standing in front on the MV….
And here’s an MV tip: go into it and find the Band Pass Filter… you can dial in as much lo-if grit as you want and stop thinking mpc when you’re working on it.
Any others tips for Lofi?
@@MrScrooge1980u can use the phonograph lofi are the radio modeling effects
@@MrScrooge1980 o and use the phonograph effect in mono
@@jamesjr2550 thanks fam
@@MrScrooge1980 u good if u want that old mpc 60 sound use the pitch up down technique and u can do de emphasis aswell
mpc4000 has no low-end. sound wise the mv8800 is way ahead and the mpc4000 basically sounds like a computer, cold and brittle, whereas the Roland MV8800 sounds warm. pitch/transposition is fantastic on both. You can make tape like effects with the pitch+lfo on both machines. There other ways the MPC4000 is ahead on the Mv8800 but sound is not one of them and also the filters on the MPC4000 are just shrill and awful and the envelopes are not analog sound at all, far too linear and so sounds don't sustain and gradually shrink away, they just die off.
Sounds like your unit is broken! Lol the 4K has ridiculous Knock!!
Get an mpc 3000 and then respond
I had both for a short period of time, and I've felt the 4000 workflow was easier and way more intuitive to operate on. Got every feature a producer would need and even more. Built like a tank, reliable, crisp sound. Goated machine
One thing I liked when I switched from NI to Akai....Akai seems to have a larger support following both hardware and software. The MPC doesn't become a "paperweight" after so many years. I have friends who are still using MPC 1000's.
I had the 8000 for a couple of years when it first came out. I remember it doing a pretty decent job with audio, and instruments plugged directly in.
The 4000 is one of the best MPCs because Roland was on their ASS! 🤣 I wish they were still in the MPC-competition game because Akai has taken their time on a LOT of user requests for no reason other than complacency. They moved fast to make standalone units as a response to Maschine, but now that they have no serious competition they've slowed down the innovation.
I had the 8000 and would still have it if I didn't have a rough patch in 2011-2012. Great review bro, just subbed. Keep up the great work!
The Z engine is worth the price of admission.
I saw a video of RZA using the MV. I had to see if it was actually good or if he was just getting paid. Even he said it had a learning curve. They both look like good machines. Everything has pros and cons. Thanks for going in detail
1:20 In 2020 I still got a Windows XP desktop that I never got rid of so I could actually use that USB function if I had a 4000. I have a 500 and I use the USB to transfer sounds onto the CF card. I didn't realize that if I didn't have XP I wouldn't be able to do it so thanks for the info. Back to watching the comparison.
I got Akai sys to run on win10.
Been a MV user since it was first released such a awesome machine for any genre of music
i Like my MV800 But certain things Are annoying Like you have to turn each sample 1 by 1 to a oneshot and choke group ,the CPU is Slow , and and the pads are too soft and the work flow is easy to get lost in. it has way more features than the 4000 but i just feel for me the MPC4000 is a quicker workflow Oh one tip no one seems to know on the 4000 If you plug a usb qwerty keyboard to the front of the MPC4000 you can use it to type and as function keys like daws have short cuts (because the letters are the buttons ) Good review though i look forward to seeing more
Thanks for your comment!! I never knew that about the keyboard on the 4000 thats a real time saver!!! I Completely agree with you about the everything you said on the MV. I wish someone would hack the firmware on the MV to bring a update to correct a lot of those issues and maybe change the Sequencer to something like the JJOS. I feel the workflow is much easier on the 4000. Thinking about it more , I really don’t know what’s better, I great workflow or having all the features... Thank you again with your great comments!!!
@@1Tekneek someone is hacking the firmware now. He is getting somewhere but this is a monumental task because he has to reverse engineer the source code. This may take many years to complete but it will be interesting if he can pull it off.
It's easier than that for a single patch. Just go to the solo/porto menu and select mono. Boom! The patch will now choke each other because it's set to mono mode!
@@phunx747 exactly!
@@WaxDat8800 any progress on the hacking situation bro?
The problem isnt the slow HD, the problem is the USB, wich is Standart 1. And 10 times slower than the usual No. 3.
@1Tekneek Thanks for a great comparison. This is truly one of the best comparisons on You Tube with regards to the breakdown and information on two instruments. I may be biased as I'm into drum pad sampling workstations but I really like how you broke down everything and gave the reasons for your opinions. I've never used either of these machines but in the close ups of the screens and the menus I understood the 4000 more, maybe because I use old MPC machines. More than likely the 4000 would suit me more but the MV is impressive even today and would be a great alternative to the MPC X if the budget is tight and an all in one machine is needed.
Great stuff King. Subbed.
I had both back in the days, im about to buy the mv-1 verselab, i wanna get the mv-8800 back but i dont wanna deal with that old workflow,
just copped your mv kit which is a must have for mv users ......
Sirius Black Thank you brotha!!!! Hope you enjoy it!!! I have more on the way!!
@@1Tekneek Shoutout to The MIDI Maniac , he put me on to the kit.
Sirius Black @The MIDI Maniac did a real dope review I was super Impressed!!!
Yea I had bought the kit because midi maniac, Superb kit.....game changer
@@yennyenn780 yeah i feel the same.
The MV is slower but sounds warm and punchy with great fx. It can do everything without a Computer. Kinda like a ASR-10.
The MPC is gonna need other stuff but excels at getting ideas down quick and being the master sequencer.
A wise person has spoken 👏 🙌 🙏
MV sequencer "not great"? Think you skipped over that section a bit quickly there. Scrolling sideways is not really a factor either way.
what about VA synth in the mfx section of the MV? i think its just one plus feature to the MV
Can the mv8 audition sounds from the hard drive while a sequence is playing? Thats one thing I didn’t know before i got the mpc 4000. Im so used to ipads and daws that I didn’t even know the mpc couldn’t do that. I think you can on jjos but not on the mpc 4k.
Beat Rumble Great Question!! I just tried it right now on the MV and yes you can, I thought that was kinda weird that the MPC couldn’t do that also..
1 Tekneek yea i picked the 4k over the mv8 mainly because others complained the mv8 slow start and i noticed that some parts are harder to come by. Appreciate the positive content. Most of the Mpc forums are old or have bitter ass dudes on there.
Beat Rumble no worries, your mpc is a great piece!! It may be missing a few things that makes life easier but it also has features that others don’t have. I love the workflow on it, the sequencing is top notch. The overall piece is one of the best ever. Don’t stress yourself by comparing the 4000 with programs on the computer because those apps is something that evolves daily. Remember to have fun and don’t be afraid to try new gear when having a chance to find what works best with your workflow. One last thing, Loyalty when it come to name brands will keep you limited, try everything as it may spark new ideas, for me at the end of the day I can make a same caliber of beat on my iPhone as I could on a MPC or Maschine, you don’t have to spend Thousands of dollars to achieve the same outcome.
@@thebeatrumble Could it be that MV loads samples when it starts and 4k doesn't? I know MC-808 can switch that in settings so the start time changes dramatically. Then again 4k and MV are strictly sampling machines so it might not have that option.
@@mdjey2 I’m not sure I never actually used an MV. The 4K doesn’t load samples when you start so every time you turn it on it has a blank template. Im not sure if MVs start with a blank template
In terms of functionality, MV8800 is MPс4000 and MPС5000, That is, in MV there is the functionality of two aкai 4000 and 5000 and even more,but in terms of sound they are different.They are both excellent cars, but the MV is better. And ease of use is a matter of taste for the reason that you are used to the MPС.In addition, the native CD drive(MV) is actually a DVD drive and it reads DVD discs very quickly and easily.And it also works great with 1 GB instead of the maximum 512 RAM.In addition, with a connected monitor and mouse, functionality and convenience increase
I don’t know too much about the MPC 4000 but I know my MPC 5000 is extraordinary!!!! I don’t get the hate on it whatsoever. I’ve made countless bangers with zero restrictions on it….you heard that correct ZERO RESTRICTIONS…..my ideas have always come through on the MPC 5000.
how would you compare the mv-8800 to something newer like akai force or such? i wanna get away from the DAW at least for my demos.
MV will bring a new appreciation of quality the your production….
In my opinion...you make beats with the MPC 4000, but you’ll make babies with the MV8800! She is a beautiful beast.
The Homewrecker😆😆😆
keep this content coming man love it! quick question, how does the 4000 handle importing different bit /sample rates ? I own an mv8000 and definitely find myself constantly having to convert to 16 bit as the MV doesn't handle 24 etc.
@Ste Kuya The 4000 has two different recording modes, 44kHz (16 bit) and 96kHz (24 bit). It can only be used in one mode at a time though, and you can't transfer sounds and projects between them. But in 96kHz mode the 4K can read 24 bit samples.
ive read you can put SSDs in your MPC 4k
I heard that too, but much like the MV you can do a SD card reader and have pretty much same result as a SSD but at a fraction of cost
Yep I put a NVME drive had a SSD in it before that
The feeling i get out of the whole video is that MV 8800 is more of a mixing/mastering workstation that also has a sampling/synth option as an extra.Meanwhile MPC4000 is an all in one machine but no in the same depth.
Thank you for your comment!! The best way I can explain it is, the MV is a all in one box, you would never need any outside gear to complete a full song start to finish. The sampling and chopping is more detailed in the MV and that that’s a good thing. The MPC has a great sequencer to compose your songs format as a instrumental, it lacks audio tracks for vocals, on fly warping features for live performances or fast bending to a projects tempo. It’s kinda night and day but the MPC is great and has a fast workflow to compose instrumentals.
@@1Tekneek Well then maybe say MV is a hardware with a DAW,meanwhile MPC is... MPC.
I think this concludes things up.
@@gaarakabuto1 you're missing the point. It was not a "mixing/mastering workstation", Roland had the VS series for that. The MV was legitimately better than the 4000 at a lot of "MPC-Type" tasks. I had a 2000 classic in '97 and mastered it over 6 years... got the MV and never touched it again. It was for all intents and purposes a better MPC. It's what pushed Akai to make the 4000, but even coming out 2 years after, the 4000 still lacked features the MV had.
Here is another one for a live gig I would load up 10 programs at once and seamlessly swap beats with no issues. The MV would be very cumbersome (for me) to swap over as there tooooo many features and windows to swap through. There is so much more. You have to kinda be a gear head to get what we mean
@@labandlegacy the 4000 is 2002 when the 8000 is 2004...
Found my mV8000 for $150 bucks pawn shop
Found the mv8800 for $350 bucks pawn shop
Found 4k way before the MVs for $700 on ebay (seller said he did not know how to use it!!) I turned her on made a track in 20 mins. Ahhahah
I have alll of the MPCs (stand alone) except the 6 and the 4k is my favorite period. Least fav is the plastic 5k. Horrible. It has dust on it. Lol.
Mv 8000 is hundreed time better than mpc!!! Only one thing on the mv is not perfect is time to load
I own a mpc5000,1000with jjos,500 and mv8000
The important point who made me to kick out my mpc and my cpu from my studio is :
-mv8000 had different time signature for each track
-mpc had only one time signature for each track from a sequence
-Mv write song in grid mode (best point for me!!!)
-mpc write song in event list ,this way to doe is really not intuitiv way to doe and need to write on paper how to organise your song!!!
-in live set Mv can play all patern (sequence for mpc) together
-mpc can play only one sequence
-mv had 16 banck of 16pads of patern or sequence when you play live
-mpc can play only one sequence at once
-mv had 16 banck of 16pads of track for playing live in patern mode
-MPC had 4banck or 6 max for the mpcX
So finally for me the mv is like you have one mpc5000 (i speack about the 5000 because is the one i own and perfectly knowing)under each pad
- when you had a midi home studio mpc had manny trouble for the clock in slave mode , the mv stay stable like a rock in master or slave
And for finish , if you had a midi home studio , owning a MV change totally the way to thinking your studio a mv transfofm your midi studio in only one gear with the possibility to build a patern with the sound of all your gear in the same patern!!!
MPC just can't , mpc are just another master midi seqencer but didn't transform your studio and your way to think of creating music
For all this reason mv are a billion time better than mpc!!!! And manny more like the template possibility for had different groove from the same sequence
Just the load time are long on the mv is the only thing i can tell who is bad for MV
Yeah but the 4000 can do basically all of those things you listed about the mv ….
thanks for this, it really helped
No prob, thank you for your comment!!
the mpc 4000 have a faster workflow and very responsive!! the Roland mv 8800 feels like someone in slow motion !lol
Thank you for your comment! I feel the same way bout the workflow on the MPC. That simple, classic but effective sequencing makes the MPC is top notch for workflow. The only area I would say that has a faster workflow on the MV is in sampling, chopping, warping, assigning and applying to a patch (program) The MV has more features and fast to access then the MPC in that area.
The MV is x10 faster than the 4000 in chopping sampling material.
The MV sounds also x10 better than the 4000 that sounds like ass in comparaison.
MV can be quicker far than the 4000.
Only the 2500 and 1000 with JJOS can be as quick as the MV.
But you need to know the unit well this beast is full of tricks.
Mv8800 outside the initial load times is actually just as fast as the 4k you join st have to know your way around. If you use to the fantom or xp keyboard layout and sound engine structure you move faster on the MV. If you coming from the Linn MPCs you move quicker out the gate with the 4 . The 8 also has some sequencing tricks that speed things up like if you copy a pattern and just mut what you don't want one one or the other when you line them up in song mode the mutes will go in and out so you don't have to go through the whole delete or copying one track at a time . Also has alot of different ways to get to the same point.
The ak.Sys-Software for the MPC-4000 was buggy as hell. I eventually sold mine, because sound of the effectboard-extension was disappointing.
If its still relevant. While chopping on the 4k you basically have the amount of region to choose of which start and endpoints you can then manipulate. There is no "manual" chopping mode but you can do it in a way it was done in the older s-series samplers. What you did in your trim window you scrolled to desired start and end points and then extract that piece rather than discard rest of the sample.
Great Video 🎼💯
Dope excellent video thanks for making MV8800 related content. Keep em coming those first 1K subs are coming believe it
Lee Da Hitman thank you for that , I’m glad you like the videos. I definitely have more content coming!
I totally agree on that! Great to see new content and for sure those 1K subs are reached within short time.
The MIDI Maniac thank you for that! I think the next video I’ll tackle is a step by step on how to DJ with the MV, I’ve had a lot of people ask me to do a guide, so I’ll start that one today.
@@1Tekneek Just copped the kit a little while ago, My man @midi manic demonstrated it well
Lee Da Hitman thank you for that!!!!💪✌️ @The Midi Maniac did a great review, I was so impressed by it and the way he sold it, I almost went out and bought my own expansion pack 😆😆😆
Hey man great comparasion,, the akaisys works on win vista and 7 32bts thankz for this vídeo. Peace
Hey great comment, I tried the akaisys on win 7 64bit and couldn’t get it to install, Then I installed a win xp on macs boot camp and that worked, I’m not sure if vista is before or after win xp , I would have to ask the google machine.
@@1Tekneek I'm on Windows 10, I set up a virtual machine with windows xp, and was able to run both Aksys and Recycle. Using a shared network folder I'm sending chops from Recycle in my computer to my 4000.
MurderToCassette dope! Bro I found a better way of sending pgm that you made on mac or Pc to the mpc4000 all together, I’ll have a Tutorial done today on my channel.
the shit that sucks is that I want both machines lol
I got the MPC One which is a modern day 4k and a MV, just keep an eye out on EBay
Both rock,but for live work,my Ensoniq ASR10 smokes both of them...The Akai and Roland are tabletop units for production,so it's really only a matter of workflow..I will get BOTH,because for the money,it's amazing...The Roland is actually different and possibly better for different types of music...for that BoomBap..Akai...
The MPC 4000 can drag n drop usb via split usb cable I do it all the time also you can put a NVME Drive in the unit any size and you can Autochop! Lol
I just changed the hard drive in my MV to a newer hard drive.
Does it move faster?
I'm "new" to the music production. Why is pc integration the most important thing for a standalone piece on of gear?
Thanks for your comment. It’s not the most important , but does help with loading up with sounds from your computer. A lot of people these days choose to record vocals in software so being able to access that along with a standalone is a plus.
Does the SD Card speed up things on the MV? I've heard different opinions on this subject
To me the sd card did speed it up for loading tracks and searching sounds, but the processor is still slow so expect to boot up still take a min or two
@@1Tekneek since Ive had the unit for a few days now, I know the boot time depends on the last song saved, also, I just bought the Jewels pack from you 5 minutes ago, that was me lol
#TeamMV
Happy Holidays, what's a legit price for a MV 8000 in 2021? No VGA or 8 outs, stripped down. 500 or less?
If u could find one for $500 or less I would scoop it up
@@1Tekneek 475 too high?
@@MrScrooge1980 that’s like half the price on eBay and reverb, that’s a good price!!
@@1Tekneek I'm on it! Appreciate ya!
@@1Tekneek copped it and it's a beast, the converters are crazy, I may do a pad sensor cleaning or order a new one for future replacement, all in all, it's dope asf
Just timed my new MV8800 boot up-34 seconds…….512 ram ))
4k has it. Promise. Chop
You gotta play play with that machine just like the 8800. I have both as well
dude, your facts are Wrong.. the USB transfer .. you dont need to update the mv to a sd card.. the transfer takes about start of a joint to smoke and half way through your joint you will be like, i need to transfer more
Actually the MPC 4000 compliments the mv-8800 and the MPC 5000.
was there an update to this video? lol
Its worth $4000 if u ask me.
SAYITAGAINNEWS Thanks for the comment!!!! Man you got a good deal on that!!! How do you like it? If you ever need to load up the MV with sounds I got expansion packs on my website www.1tekneek.com
Darwin, Leopard, Windows XP, Vista on the 4K, shiiiiid good luck😆😆😆😆
I think before you make a video like this you need to understand the subject… the MPC4K is deep!! But the 8800 is nice
I think the 4k is better than the X and any other MPC you just have to learn ALLLLLLLLLL the features, and getting into Akai,Sys GEEEEEEEZ
4000 isnt close to the mv lol
Facts!
umm the mv has pattern based and the daw sequencing , u can do everything the mpc can do u dnt know what u talkin about bro lmfao ,m the mv is def a better machine then the mpc by far
None of this matters because Roland MV users are not children that debate and argue over the Internet. What matters is results as in music, not a bunch of gossip, chatter, and grandstanding. The FACT, these are nOT the same machines, so the so called comparisons are a waste of time..
Lol , if u know the history on these 2 machines u would no they both came out around the same time and they always got compared to each other, it’s really not that serious to get upset and leave a lengthy comment about specially for someone who says it’s all about the music , but spends time watching RUclips videos..
@@1Tekneek
First of all using Illogical fallacies and feminine type statement swill not make me leave, will make me laugh. Those girlie tactics are trying to imply someone is 'upset' and saying something so infantile about the length of a message are laughable. I have no reason to be 'upset' and you're making it all up, even though it has no basis in fact.
I have been around both machines, one my friend has an showed me how it works, and I own the Roland, and that's called practical experience. There is NO discernable fake 'beefs' with any other brand community in existence from any other brand, nor with YT female producers/artists, which speaks for itself. I never have and will never be upset over an inanimate object/tool to make music. I have 4 different samplers from different brands, and in the real world outside of YT, intelligent people do not squabble and gossip about who uses what.
One of my friends who has the 4000 and another Akai, a documented 30+ year experience in performing around the world, was more than fine with sharing ideas about our samplers...
Next, just because someone writes more than you does not mean it's not based on facts, evidence, nor dilutes the message. So by that mindset, if you write a response of 50 words and someone writes 40 words, then the 50 word message becomes untrue? I know things get compared, yet that does not change the FACT those two machines have two different intentions. The MV ultimately was made to be a WHOLE studio in a box, from getting the sounds to mastering to burning a Red Book CD, for distribution marketing, or simply to play out in a club.
Now If you are going to cry again because my message is longer than yours, too bad because just like you write, I have the same right. If you get bent out of shape and want to use girlie tactics that have nothing to do with the actual subject, feel free to entertain me with that nonsense. Most of these machines on YT, including computers, cameras, etc, get compared so much until I cannot see a YT page without a comparison video , Mac Vs PC is only a thing online, yet pops up frequently as if either one matters, when it's the same endgame. All that is what children do, like when you compare ice cream cones by the Mister Softie truck.
I can use whatever, and fact is, i have my eye on the Isla 2400, Akai MPC Key 61, the Akai S6000, and another ASR10 if I can find a good price. Oh and if this is too long, you do not have to keep trying to chatter back. This is a public forum, and I write what I feel like just like you do..I spend time watching and you spend time making them, so what's actually your point? duhhh...
@@1Tekneek...hmmm...Funny thing is, you came at me, yet somehow I got a notification from YT that one of my responses was removed, due to 'violating' TOS. After I wrote them back, I figured it was probably you, and behold, one of my responses was deleted. Now I know what you're made of trying to say someone else was 'upset'...
@@michaels8607 bro, take your meds and go make music …
@@1Tekneek Take your own advice, since you're the expert on nothing..Like I said,illogical fallacies used as a tactic to deflect. I am not your bro and you can make me do nothing, yet feel free to come and try Until you can make that happen you might as well give directives to your children , you pets, or whatever gives a crap.
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