Your RUclips channel is the best that exists . Your ability to explain in simple words the complexity of the world of gemstones and gemmology is just exceptional. Thank you for sharing in such a didactic way your knowledge. 👏🏻
Reminds me of the Garnet solution series. Various amounts of Almandine, Pyrope, Spessartite, etc. They have marketing names attached to them but no one denies that they should be called 'Garnets'.
Thank you - precious metals will be getting some attention in the near future, yes. Rare earths are something I don't have as much expertise in though, so i'll have to learn more before I'd be ready to talk about it.
Glad to have sparked some enjoyment. I have 2 other videos on jade at present, but I hope to dive much deeper as I get more access to varieties of Jade. Bangkok is a big centre for the coloured stone trade, but is quite impoverished for jade compared to what I saw in mainland China on my last trip. Long story short - im working on it ^_^
If my customer says "I want jade" which one should I look for? They don't know much about gems or stones, and I don't know much about jade. If they ask for jade, and I present them with a piece of cats eye jade, would I be deceiving? Thankyou again for making all of this available for free.
One opportunity for you to build a relationship of trust is to share with them that there are two totally different groups of minerals, both officially called jade. From there, i'd suggest feeling out what they are looking for most - is it "a green stone called jade" or is it the most beautiful thing possible, or the most unique? The conversation is really important. If I know that their budget is below a good quality of jadeite/ feicui, then i'd definitely suggest cat's eye jade, informing them that it is a cousin in the family of the oldest historical jade. If they have a high budget and want that cryptonite green (thanks chromium), then i'd go for feicui and go on a hunt to find the right piece. I want to sell the best value I can for price, not just because of my own profit, but because that is what I believe serves my clients best and makes the world more interesting to be in.
@@GemologyforSchmucks makes complete sense. I'll brush up on jadeite vs feicui, and start a more detailed conversation about what they're really after. They've got a piece of tiger's eye they're pretty fond of, so cats eye jade might be an easy sale. I will present all options to them, and let them make the final call. Thanks for the guidance.
Hey! Really enjoyed your video! I'm actually planing to faithfully reproduce a Neolithic jade axe in the future. So Nephrite jade, was the more commonly used material for Neolithic axes. While Jadeite was less commonly used. Would you say that Nephrite would be the more appropriate choice over Jadeite, from a axe head durability standpoint? Hope to not steal your time :D Thank you anyways!
Thanks for the comment, and I love the idea of your project. As to the material choice, I think #1 nephrite is globally more accessible for sure, so that makes statistical sense for the early peoples to have used the toughest stuff available to them in their regions (China, North America, Central America etc) to make their tools. Additionally, though the hardness of the two types of jade are quite close, nephrite is significantly more tough (the actual toughest gem) because the crystal structure is "felted". The structure works kind of like rebar in cement, where stress on any one particular point in the stone isnt likely to cause the stone to sheer because its supported by nearby areas. Both Jades are super tough, but categorically nephrite seems to be superior on this front.
@@GemologyforSchmucks Hi, thank you so much for your swift response! That's cool to hear, I will definitely let you know when it's finished and share some insights (on Reddit maybe). I might even procure the jade from you if at all possible and reasonable. So, Nephrite it is. Thank you again, it means a lot to me that an expert like you took the time for this :)
Great video. If I have understood correctly, you are suggesting that the classification of Cat's Eye Actinolite within the jade category is a matter of academic taxonomy. Specifically, it is aligned with the nephrite group due to its actinolite composition, thus differentiating it from the other principal type of jade, which is jadeite-based. Is that correct?
Peter can correct me if I'm wrong but from what I understand you almost got it. nephrite IS jade. if a stone can be called nephrite it can also be called jade. the issue isn't that cat's eye actinolite is aligned with nephrite, rather, the issue is that nephrite is composed of several interwoven minerals, of which actinolite is only one, and the exact ratios of those minerals necessary to call a stone nephrite isn't specified. Peter is arguing that, since it looks like jade, is still called jade in China, and chemically is composed of the same minerals as jade, even if those minerals are in the ratios of 95% actinolite and 5% other nephrite components, it should still be able to be called jade
@@shgecko this is a very close summation, and an excellent absorption of what I was talking about. Thank you, and i'm impressed. The last piece fo the nephrite question is the "felting" that helps with the crystal "grains". Much of nephrite includes actinolite as one of its components, but cat's eye actinolite (cat's eye jade...) is not felted if it can create a proper cat's eye, because the fibers need to be aligned smoothly. That said~ jadeite and its brothers (feicui) are not felted at all....sooo... cat's eye actinolite deserves a place at the table, in my view.
@TheJacrespo This is very close, yes. Nephrite is a mixture (unmeasured amounts) of the amphibole group of minerals, with felted structure; What the english speaking world has been calling "Jadeite" and the Chinese call "Feicui" is a mixture of pyroxine minerals jadeite, omphacite and kosmochlor. Jadeite/feicui does not need "felting" as part of its scientific definition. My argument is that both mineral families (and the rocks we call jade) are mixtures, so certainly Cat's Eye Actinolite (a key mineral constituent of many famous nephrite stones - amphibole group) deserves to not be brushed away.
are there places to find statistics on demand per stone based on location and demographic? If not, we could make a page similar to wiki where people can put their info. anyie better than nothing and over time it could be dialed in.
The closest ive heard to an organized list for coloured stones is a subscription service called “The Gem Guide” it tends to lag behind the current market, but its a useful starting point for retailers and those detached from the market.
Jadeite and nephrite both can scratch, but it doesn’t tend to show anywhere near as much as a crystalline gem. Also, they’re much tougher and break resistant (tough) than all other gems.
In New Zealand, chatoyant pounamu/greenstone is known in Māori as “pīpīwharauroa” after a type of native cuckoo because it resembles the bird’s shimmering feathers. As with all pounamu descriptors, however, it can only be used to describe stone from New Zealand.
There are indeed a large number of cultural and geographic concerns in the use of names. The same is also argued from time to time with historical colour names such as pigeon's blood in rubies, which some argue should only apply to Burmese stones where the name was born, etc. The social impact on art and legitimacy is interesting to watch.
It can be tough to get to know outside of China. Very little of the high quality pieces make it beyond to the rest of the world, and even fewer people are willing to pay for the premium pieces.
I'm not sure if I understood correctly, but I do think I have a couple of cats eye green nephrite beads - in a beads necklace which came with an original price $3850 and a Chinese certificate. (Of course, I didn't pay that much!) I can see they are genuine nephrite. Could it be really a valuable piece?
@@GemologyforSchmucks The problem is they wouldn't tell me the truth even they find out what they're. I think the stone was mined somewhere in China, not Canada. I wouldn't expect them to know what they are, in the first place, especially when it comes to jade. (I appreciate your reply!! 😊)
Id rather have a synthetic than a gem with inclusions, but sometimes inclusions can be beautiful like chatoyant gems and tourmalines that look like gardens
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There are few gem channels of any value. Yours was exceptional. Thanks for rhe education.
Thank you, Peter. I'm glad to be of service.
Your RUclips channel is the best that exists . Your ability to explain in simple words the complexity of the world of gemstones and gemmology is just exceptional. Thank you for sharing in such a didactic way your knowledge. 👏🏻
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Such high praise~! Thank you so much. I strive to serve.
I think you are a magnificent teacher with a talent for supporting you definitions in a logical way.
Thank you for this high praise. I appreciate it.
Reminds me of the Garnet solution series. Various amounts of Almandine, Pyrope, Spessartite, etc. They have marketing names attached to them but no one denies that they should be called 'Garnets'.
This is an excellent observation, and I feel exactly the same. The logic is veeeerrrry similar with the garnet families. Precedent has been set :D
Can you talk about precious metals and rare earths, please? I liked the way you presented it, Mr. Peter
Thank you - precious metals will be getting some attention in the near future, yes. Rare earths are something I don't have as much expertise in though, so i'll have to learn more before I'd be ready to talk about it.
Will you be putting out a more in-depth video on Jade? I love the Cat's Eye Jade 💞
✌️✌️ That cracked me up, thank you!
Glad to have sparked some enjoyment. I have 2 other videos on jade at present, but I hope to dive much deeper as I get more access to varieties of Jade. Bangkok is a big centre for the coloured stone trade, but is quite impoverished for jade compared to what I saw in mainland China on my last trip. Long story short - im working on it ^_^
@@GemologyforSchmucks thank you! I will find the other videos you have on Jade 💞
Wow....brilliant explanation with all the "jade-ites, -nites"....i finally understand a little more of what "jade" is/are
Im glad that my work was helpful for you.
Great Videos as always !
Thank you, Jason
That nephrite spiral is obvious and typical to the Koru pendants of Aotearoa, NZ
Well spotted ~ that was a gift from a dear friend from NZ.
Great VDO. I learned a lot .
Thanks for your support. I appreciate it, Robert.
If my customer says "I want jade" which one should I look for? They don't know much about gems or stones, and I don't know much about jade. If they ask for jade, and I present them with a piece of cats eye jade, would I be deceiving?
Thankyou again for making all of this available for free.
One opportunity for you to build a relationship of trust is to share with them that there are two totally different groups of minerals, both officially called jade. From there, i'd suggest feeling out what they are looking for most - is it "a green stone called jade" or is it the most beautiful thing possible, or the most unique? The conversation is really important.
If I know that their budget is below a good quality of jadeite/ feicui, then i'd definitely suggest cat's eye jade, informing them that it is a cousin in the family of the oldest historical jade. If they have a high budget and want that cryptonite green (thanks chromium), then i'd go for feicui and go on a hunt to find the right piece. I want to sell the best value I can for price, not just because of my own profit, but because that is what I believe serves my clients best and makes the world more interesting to be in.
@@GemologyforSchmucks makes complete sense. I'll brush up on jadeite vs feicui, and start a more detailed conversation about what they're really after. They've got a piece of tiger's eye they're pretty fond of, so cats eye jade might be an easy sale. I will present all options to them, and let them make the final call. Thanks for the guidance.
Satisfied this customers request with a piece of Feicui. Its a good looking stone. @@GemologyforSchmucks
Hey! Really enjoyed your video! I'm actually planing to faithfully reproduce a Neolithic jade axe in the future. So Nephrite jade, was the more commonly used material for Neolithic axes. While Jadeite was less commonly used. Would you say that Nephrite would be the more appropriate choice over Jadeite, from a axe head durability standpoint?
Hope to not steal your time :D Thank you anyways!
Thanks for the comment, and I love the idea of your project. As to the material choice, I think #1 nephrite is globally more accessible for sure, so that makes statistical sense for the early peoples to have used the toughest stuff available to them in their regions (China, North America, Central America etc) to make their tools. Additionally, though the hardness of the two types of jade are quite close, nephrite is significantly more tough (the actual toughest gem) because the crystal structure is "felted". The structure works kind of like rebar in cement, where stress on any one particular point in the stone isnt likely to cause the stone to sheer because its supported by nearby areas. Both Jades are super tough, but categorically nephrite seems to be superior on this front.
@@GemologyforSchmucks Hi, thank you so much for your swift response!
That's cool to hear, I will definitely let you know when it's finished and share some insights (on Reddit maybe).
I might even procure the jade from you if at all possible and reasonable. So, Nephrite it is. Thank you again, it means a lot to me that an expert like you took the time for this :)
Great video. If I have understood correctly, you are suggesting that the classification of Cat's Eye Actinolite within the jade category is a matter of academic taxonomy. Specifically, it is aligned with the nephrite group due to its actinolite composition, thus differentiating it from the other principal type of jade, which is jadeite-based. Is that correct?
Peter can correct me if I'm wrong but from what I understand you almost got it. nephrite IS jade. if a stone can be called nephrite it can also be called jade. the issue isn't that cat's eye actinolite is aligned with nephrite, rather, the issue is that nephrite is composed of several interwoven minerals, of which actinolite is only one, and the exact ratios of those minerals necessary to call a stone nephrite isn't specified. Peter is arguing that, since it looks like jade, is still called jade in China, and chemically is composed of the same minerals as jade, even if those minerals are in the ratios of 95% actinolite and 5% other nephrite components, it should still be able to be called jade
@@shgecko this is a very close summation, and an excellent absorption of what I was talking about. Thank you, and i'm impressed. The last piece fo the nephrite question is the "felting" that helps with the crystal "grains". Much of nephrite includes actinolite as one of its components, but cat's eye actinolite (cat's eye jade...) is not felted if it can create a proper cat's eye, because the fibers need to be aligned smoothly. That said~ jadeite and its brothers (feicui) are not felted at all....sooo... cat's eye actinolite deserves a place at the table, in my view.
@TheJacrespo This is very close, yes. Nephrite is a mixture (unmeasured amounts) of the amphibole group of minerals, with felted structure; What the english speaking world has been calling "Jadeite" and the Chinese call "Feicui" is a mixture of pyroxine minerals jadeite, omphacite and kosmochlor. Jadeite/feicui does not need "felting" as part of its scientific definition. My argument is that both mineral families (and the rocks we call jade) are mixtures, so certainly Cat's Eye Actinolite (a key mineral constituent of many famous nephrite stones - amphibole group) deserves to not be brushed away.
are there places to find statistics on demand per stone based on location and demographic? If not, we could make a page similar to wiki where people can put their info. anyie better than nothing and over time it could be dialed in.
The closest ive heard to an organized list for coloured stones is a subscription service called “The Gem Guide” it tends to lag behind the current market, but its a useful starting point for retailers and those detached from the market.
Considering the low scratch resistance - would this be good daily wear? What about jadeite and nephrite?
Jadeite and nephrite both can scratch, but it doesn’t tend to show anywhere near as much as a crystalline gem. Also, they’re much tougher and break resistant (tough) than all other gems.
In New Zealand, chatoyant pounamu/greenstone is known in Māori as “pīpīwharauroa” after a type of native cuckoo because it resembles the bird’s shimmering feathers. As with all pounamu descriptors, however, it can only be used to describe stone from New Zealand.
There are indeed a large number of cultural and geographic concerns in the use of names. The same is also argued from time to time with historical colour names such as pigeon's blood in rubies, which some argue should only apply to Burmese stones where the name was born, etc. The social impact on art and legitimacy is interesting to watch.
Using nefrite for axe blades !? Lucky jewellers were invented. Thanks for the corollary.
I mean ~ it makes for some really exciting burial sight finds eh? XD Thanks for the comment.
我的天，你中文说得真好👍🏼
多谢 ～ 几年的努力有点成果了😁
🤓jade is a complete unknown for me, thanks for the valuable information.❤🖖
It can be tough to get to know outside of China. Very little of the high quality pieces make it beyond to the rest of the world, and even fewer people are willing to pay for the premium pieces.
I'm not sure if I understood correctly, but I do think I have a couple of cats eye green nephrite beads - in a beads necklace which came with an original price $3850 and a Chinese certificate. (Of course, I didn't pay that much!) I can see they are genuine nephrite. Could it be really a valuable piece?
It's definitely possible. You'd want to have it looked at by someone who knows Jade nearer to where you are.
@@GemologyforSchmucks The problem is they wouldn't tell me the truth even they find out what they're.
I think the stone was mined somewhere in China, not Canada.
I wouldn't expect them to know what they are, in the first place, especially when it comes to jade. (I appreciate your reply!! 😊)
Id rather have a synthetic than a gem with inclusions, but sometimes inclusions can be beautiful like chatoyant gems and tourmalines that look like gardens
Everyone gets their own perspective ~ i think it depends case by case.
Calling nephrite jade “soft jade” is hilarious to anybody that has cut a piece.
RIGHT?! Jade is a morality tale about the difference between hardness and toughness.
I think the Chinese should get to define whats jade or not. If they think its jade its I think its jade
It's a culturally related semantic category, rather than a mineralogical one, so I tend to agree on this point.
Common man. We don’t need anymore names for gemstones. There should only be like 10 not a million 😂😂😢😮😅😊
If only we could rob quartz of some of its over abundant name share.
@@GemologyforSchmucks you got that right 👍😀