How to Heat a Small shop with a BUILT IN Diesel Wall Heater

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  • Опубликовано: 6 янв 2024
  • Diesel Heaters are blowing up across the country in popularity. Cheap & easy to install. They can work in vans, sheds, tents, RVs and a lot more. Learn from my mistakes! If you have never used a diesel heater this is also a good beginners guide to them
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  • @SilverCymbal
    @SilverCymbal  4 месяца назад +18

    What do you think? Parts used: Heater: amzn.to/47o4DcR Exhaust Flange: amzn.to/3NP4GaU Insulation Hose: amzn.to/3vxMsUM High heat insulation: amzn.to/3NVHA2i

    • @youmayberight2434
      @youmayberight2434 4 месяца назад +1

      Thank you so much!

    • @AWIRE_onpc
      @AWIRE_onpc 4 месяца назад

      You should Run an outlet over by the heater with some SJOOW coming out of the box for a 12 volt 30 amp power supply.

    • @snextime
      @snextime 4 месяца назад

      The Selkirk links don’t work.

    • @MrSGL21
      @MrSGL21 4 месяца назад

      great video as always. you and i don't see eye to eye on some products but this is one we agree on. I have an Hcalory unit. its basically a portable like yours but its in a tool case looking box. i keep mine outside. this way i can avoid any issues with my land lord and the fire codes (not that i give a rats ass what the .gov thinks). I live in Florida yes we don't get nearly as cold but the mid 50s and lower is cold for us. I like to keep my place between 68 and 73. otherwise my chihuahua is freezing or im hot. it was 52 last night here and i kept my place at 73 with mine.
      do not run these units on the lowest setting for extended periods of time. they glow plug screen will clog up and you'll get an e-8 error flame out. do not run these with a waste oil, veg oil, or a blend you'll clog the screen. do not use left over fuel from a year ago. doing any of these will result in a clogged glow plug screen.
      if you have been running it on low crank it to maximum for an hour this will help clean it out. also running kerosene in these will clean them out. i did all of the above things listed and clogged up mine twice. i had to clean out the combustion chamber with carb cleaner and then run kerosene in it to clean it out. Kero burns hotter. my exhaust turned purple!
      you might want to look at the Bureck remote thermostat. its $70 and it clones the remotes of these heaters. once you have it setup it will kick the heater on when the temp falls to what you have it set at and off when the temp reaches a temp you have it set at. me i just keep a digital thermometer on my counter and if it dips below 67 i kick it on and off when i hit 73. but you like gadgets so you know go take a look at it.
      also you might want to look at running it with kero. when i ran mine on kero it seemed like it used alot less fuel. kero and diesel have similar btu content but keros flame temp is higher. i can't get kero cheap here. only big box mart k-1 at $10 a gallon vs the $3.50 i pay for diesel but if there is a station up that way i'd look into that.
      lastly for everyone else, some small power stations won't work. some of them the 12v outlet won't produce enough 12v wattage to get the glow plug going. if you are planning to run one on a small jackery you might run into this problem. i use a spare car battery hooked to a Hulkman charger (the one Silver Symbal reviewed awhile back) no issues. a lawn tractor battery will work too. a small sla may run into problems.

    • @georgewashington7829
      @georgewashington7829 4 месяца назад

      I think you should be ashamed of yourself for advocating for cheap chinese goods when they're aiding our enemy who's invading a friendly nation. China commits genocide, allows forced marriages with kidnapped victims from Vietnam and Mongolia, restricts basic human rights. AND YOU ARE ADVOCATING FOR THEM?!?!? You're not an American I want in my country, you're a threat to our national security.
      It's bad enough when we don't have a choice, but you are straight up saying "Screw the people who designed this, buy a good enough knock off from the country flooding the USA with Fentanyl"

  • @rkymtnrsx
    @rkymtnrsx 4 месяца назад +184

    I think you just wrote the book on how to install it right. Looks great! I always appreciate your high quality solutions to common problems.

    • @SilverCymbal
      @SilverCymbal  4 месяца назад +5

      Very nice of you to say. I am sure there are better ways but some of the installls I saw were very scary I wanted it to be as safe as I could do it without spending a lot

    • @mitch_lambert
      @mitch_lambert 4 месяца назад +2

      Honestly I looked for weeks when I put mine in the garage 2 years ago and no other guides or installs came even close to how well you pulled this off

    • @nickn383
      @nickn383 4 месяца назад +1

      Is it possible to install the fresh air intake much farther away from the exhaust? I could be wrong, but it seems like you would be pulling in exhaust fumes and co2. I installed a pellet stove once and was wondering why the adapter had the fresh air so close to the exhaust on those too. Just thinking out loud here. Overall looks like a great set up. Thanks for sharing!

    • @mitch_lambert
      @mitch_lambert 4 месяца назад

      That fresh air intake is strictly for the combustion chamber (separate from the heating air intake) so it shouldn't matter too much.@@nickn383

  • @ProlificInvention
    @ProlificInvention 4 месяца назад +78

    I have 5 of them, these are great. I also heat my garage with one, and a travel trailer, as well as a small greenhouse. If you duct the exhaust through an old large cast iron steam radiator it both cools the output gas to around 90 degrees, silences it, and acts as a useful thermal battery. I have a few videos about it here on YT and am on year 3 of doing it with no negative side effects to speak of. It's useful for heating water and even cooking as the cast iron where the diesel heater exhaust enters it gets to 350°f.

    • @robertmunroe3976
      @robertmunroe3976 4 месяца назад +7

      That’s an excellent use of the “waste” heat; well done!

    • @ProlificInvention
      @ProlificInvention 4 месяца назад +4

      @robertmunroe3976 Thank you Robert, it also works fir my 2 stroke small generator and large 8hp 4 stroke generator to both recover heat, but also it completely silences the outdoor exhaust noise believe it or not. I spent years trying to fabricate diy generator "mufflers" that did little to quiet the exhaust, only to find during my experiments that a cast iron steam radiator does the J O B

    • @robertmunroe3976
      @robertmunroe3976 4 месяца назад +1

      @@ProlificInvention wow, very cool. My old Thermodynamics professor would love your solutions!

    • @NordicDan
      @NordicDan 4 месяца назад +1

      Good thinking! Your idea of the radiator might have just gotten me to make up my mind on switching over to one of these in lieu of my pellet stove in my shop....

    • @benjaminleatham1587
      @benjaminleatham1587 4 месяца назад

      @@NordicDan I don't know what pellet stove you have, but mine has been great and effortless for 3 years now. I keep a 24x24 70 degrees, in sub zero temps, on just under a bag a day.

  • @John-vk1ij
    @John-vk1ij 4 месяца назад +25

    The manufacture owes you money now for creating such a nice installation guide.

  • @garretts91
    @garretts91 4 месяца назад +12

    the insulation you used is Ceramic insulation. Can be had very cheap online. You should reorient your intake pipe to face downward. That way any moisture that does get in has a chance to drain out before getting into the heater unit.

  • @Samlol23_drrich
    @Samlol23_drrich 4 месяца назад +62

    Im so jealous of the quality of your videos. The content, videography, and voiceover work are (and have always been) superb.
    Great video

    • @SilverCymbal
      @SilverCymbal  4 месяца назад +2

      Wow, that is really nice of you to say. Thank you

  • @tristanschaper281
    @tristanschaper281 4 месяца назад +5

    I have installed (and operated) a bunch of the original Espar and Webasto diesel heaters, which have sold for $1500 to sometimes $4000+ depending on the model and accessories. So I know these products well. So it is absolutely crazy to see these knockoff products for $100-$200 as a complete kit, and they mostly all seem to work really well! I think your final install was well done and should be fine. My only concern would be your combustion air intake: 1) turn it upside down, to avoid rain getting into it. 2) The reason they have the combustion air intake designed to be ducted from "outside" space of the heater, as the main design of these heaters originally, was small spaces for boats and truck cabs. So they didn't want to pull inside air for combustion in a small space.
    However, the downside to pulling outside air, is risk of sucking in water, and also long term risk of moisture/corrosion/debris getting into the combustion chamber and the glow plug (the glow plug is really the heart of the operation). Those glow plugs are very delicate and sensitive to dirt/debris/moisture and corrosion, and other than fuel, they are typically the main source of no-start, running issues, smoking, etc. They need a super clean burn.
    So at the very least, maybe angle the air intake down, or consider allowing your heater to pull inside shop air, as you have a large space. If you have a lot of dust/debris in your shop, like for wood or metal work, the outside air is better then.
    It's worth putting a low restriction filter membrane on both the combustion air intake, and the main fan hot air intake, to keep out dust/debris.

  • @joshspurlock3631
    @joshspurlock3631 4 месяца назад +25

    I just bought this exact heater a few days ago for my house and should be here tomorrow. I was trying to wrap my head around how to install it and you pretty much gave me the solution to it all. Thank you!

  • @abou824
    @abou824 4 месяца назад +12

    I absolutely love mine. I currently use it to heat the garage, but it saved the day at Thanksgiving when the furnace went out. Heated the whole house for the most part to ~60°!

  • @iguanamoat
    @iguanamoat 4 месяца назад +19

    Nice clean install! You may want to fully seal the exhaust to heater connection with high heat RTV silicone like Permatex 81160, it'll be leaking a small amount of exhaust into the workshop with only a band clamp and metal to metal interface. I would also consider a 10 amp power supply the absolute minimum for these, lower will work but may not ignite quickly or reliably, leading to the heater sooting up over time. Voltage should also not fall much below 11v at startup as measured by the controller, or you are likely to get late ignition and soot formation.

    • @esqueue
      @esqueue 4 месяца назад

      Keep in mind that cooling the exhaust too much will form quite a bit of water. Water that's on the slightly acidic end of the scale too. Bear in mind that this is from a few minutes of research on these devices.

  • @rustysteed8414
    @rustysteed8414 4 месяца назад +3

    Your CO monitor should be mounted at about 5 feet high, since CO sinks. By the time it got up to over the door you might be breathing more of it than you should be. Great video!

  • @gregmgm06
    @gregmgm06 4 месяца назад +1

    Love this idea, wish I would have installed this in our small camping trailer years ago (sold now) love how safety is a priority for you.

  • @prilep5
    @prilep5 4 месяца назад

    You are the Best professional reviewer who comprehensively explains everything
    Thank you

  • @MyClutteredGarage
    @MyClutteredGarage 4 месяца назад +1

    I’ve always been intrigued by these diesel heaters. I really like your install. 👍

  • @chrisharper2658
    @chrisharper2658 4 месяца назад +10

    You could use an old PC ATX power supply to power your heater on the cheap. My old one will put out about 15 amps for the 12 volt output. You would just have to ground the enable wire to turn it on.

    • @MrSGL21
      @MrSGL21 4 месяца назад

      jump the green wire to any black wire IIRC. thats how i would do a quick and dirty test of a PS back in the day.

    • @Michaeltje89
      @Michaeltje89 4 месяца назад

      Used a old HP server PSU 80Amp on tap is crazy, 12v for the heater but also to start a small moped or bike. win/win

  • @00700556
    @00700556 4 месяца назад

    You’re literally just on time man! Just built my shop and i’ve been cycling through ideas for heat. My wife purchased me a propane heater and I about died 😂. I’m using an electric one now but of course I don’t want to use this all the time. Propane is my next go to and seems safe

  • @mitch_lambert
    @mitch_lambert 4 месяца назад +1

    Great install. I struggled with this installation idea for weeks before I finally figured it out. Great tip on the k wool. I’ll have to pick some of that up. I did use header wrap on my exhaust as well to limit the heat output of the exposed piece directly beneath the heater. I love what you did with the exhaust overall. I may have to steal your idea and redo my exit to make it nice and clean like that.

  • @chefbillyx
    @chefbillyx 4 месяца назад +13

    I would turn the cold intake down in case water gets in, it will drip out.

    • @SilverCymbal
      @SilverCymbal  4 месяца назад +6

      That is a really good idea, some how my brain was thinking the opposite.

    • @Glocktard
      @Glocktard 4 месяца назад

      I’m glad someone posted this,
      I was thinking the same thing.

    • @chefbillyx
      @chefbillyx 4 месяца назад

      ​@SilverCymbal, just my opinion. I've never installed one of these, but that intake would work similar to my furnace and it's pointing down. If you do that would it get too close to the exhaust? Who knows..

  • @miltonbayne6649
    @miltonbayne6649 4 месяца назад

    I have an older one still in the box. My Wife bought it for me 3 years ago. It is not an all in one and has a much larger tank. Now that I've seen your uninstall, it makes me confident I can do the same. Thank you.

  • @Leonardokite
    @Leonardokite 4 месяца назад +1

    Looks like a great product. Definitely in the back pocket for future heating needs.

  • @steveseattle6791
    @steveseattle6791 4 месяца назад +2

    I am running an older version right now to keep my boat from freezing! Not often it gets this cold in Phoenix, but really glad to have it. Bought for truck tent camping, but these are so versatile. Great install!

    • @jnb756
      @jnb756 4 месяца назад

      yeah it's 32 degrees outside my back door right now in phoenix - wish i had one of these for my shed/workshop!

  • @mikeschlup5279
    @mikeschlup5279 4 месяца назад +6

    Also you can use rock wool insulation. 2000 degrees flash point

    • @Maine307
      @Maine307 4 месяца назад +1

      i used roxul..

  • @Maine307
    @Maine307 4 месяца назад +2

    i got one from vevor!!! been waiting for u to do a post on this!!! love it..heats my basement cheaply and quickly

  • @wkwong80
    @wkwong80 4 месяца назад +3

    I love mine that I have in my van. Sips fuel & is quiet though the tickles fuel pump would be a great future upgrade for mine.

  • @kenji-xj2ft
    @kenji-xj2ft 4 месяца назад

    I have the same diesel heater and its been fabulous! Warms up my garage just right

  • @JDsVarietyChannel
    @JDsVarietyChannel 4 месяца назад +2

    I have no interest in this product, but the video is so well done I'm watching until the end. I learn a lot from you, and for that I'm grateful. Keep up the good work!

  • @ManWander
    @ManWander 4 месяца назад +1

    i installed one of these in my campervan a year ago... Love it!

  • @mlj6419
    @mlj6419 4 месяца назад

    Great video with excellent explanation and instructions, as usual. Thanks.

  • @larryreynolds8580
    @larryreynolds8580 4 месяца назад +5

    I've got three of these so far. I use one to heat an enclosed raised patio mounted to the floor in a corner. The others are for boost on bitter cold days and backups. One of which I designed to be more portable with extra fuel capacity. The bulkhead exhaust fitting can deflect more heat than you realize all on it's own. I use 120v ac to 12v dc power supplies. I do think you're install is top notch and it will help a lot of people out. Thank you for posting this.

  • @Annon89
    @Annon89 4 месяца назад

    I’ve got the same one. Going to do something similar in my garage. It works great I recommend them for sure.

  • @williamrucki9293
    @williamrucki9293 4 месяца назад

    K-Wool is refractory material used in furnaces. I worked for a combustion company for 15 years and we built many a furnace with K-Wool. The hearth needs to be hard bricked but the walls and ceiling can be K-Wool. Installation is a breeze compared to hard bricked refractory and repairs are easy. It's really good stuff and takes temperatures up to 2,300 F. Your install was first class by the way. Very professional looking.

  • @Icutmetal
    @Icutmetal 4 месяца назад

    I like what you did by cleaning up that exhaust- nice job 👍

  • @JeepinMaxx
    @JeepinMaxx 4 месяца назад +2

    Thanks for the video. I just installed one of these yesterday in my small woodshop! Great point about using the wrong insulation. I just used that stainless thimble you added at the end - I'll have to keep an eye on how hot it gets. I bought the 8K unit instead of the 5K, but I think they are the same (I can only turn the pump up to 5.4 on mine. Still - 5K is about 18,000 Btu/hr (same as the big buddy propane heater on high). Benefits of this diesel heater are no open flame or the moisture in the air from a propane heater

    • @MrSGL21
      @MrSGL21 4 месяца назад +1

      and diesel has 50% more btus per gallon than propane.

  • @minghiy
    @minghiy 4 месяца назад +17

    Also would it be more efficient to capture exhaust heat as well if you extended the combustion exhaust pipe to like 8ft inside your garage and then vent outside, thereby capturing some additional heat. You just have to make sure it won't be touching anything else inside.

    • @briancnc
      @briancnc 4 месяца назад +1

      Similar to the linear shop heaters, we have a few in our facility. Even the exhaust runs radiate quite a bit of heat and aren't insulated just for that reason. They are 20' in the air and you can feel the heat from just the exhaust pipe runs.

    • @iguanamoat
      @iguanamoat 4 месяца назад +9

      There is a maximum exhaust length (I believe 2 meters) as well as maximum number of bends (270 degrees total IIRC). Shorter and straighter the better for efficient combustion and less soot - the combustion side of the fan doesn't blow much air, and even a little restriction can cause these to not run optimally. Generally speaking, scavenging heat from the exhaust has been found to be not worth the effort and additional issues it can cause, though it's possible.

    • @gbpg2016
      @gbpg2016 4 месяца назад +1

      @@iguanamoatthe max run is probably based on using the size of pipe the kit comes with. By increasing the pipe size you can increase the length of the exhaust.

  • @WontSeeReplies
    @WontSeeReplies 4 месяца назад

    Another awesome recommendation as well everything to get it going. Thanks!

  • @noelswedzinski4498
    @noelswedzinski4498 4 месяца назад

    i love how it is the cheapest option for a forced air vented heater, i have one in my ice house and difference between venting inside and venting outside is huge the reduction in condensation is crazy compared to the old propane heater. I have never had a problem with it and it runs just fine on winter diesel too!

  • @timbcodes
    @timbcodes 4 месяца назад

    The soundtrack of your life in the winter if you’ve ever been a long haul trucker.

  • @emagee7864
    @emagee7864 4 месяца назад

    Very interesting. I've never heard of this device, but it seems like a viable way to heat a space. I may try and use this for my tiki bar.

  • @baneverything5580
    @baneverything5580 4 месяца назад +2

    I use a little 200w Lasko mini heater with my solar power stations in my camper for heating the bathroom. If I get caught with a non-working gas heater in a winter emergency the backup plan is to seal off the couch area with mylar blankets and plastic to hold in the heat and use an electric blanket and the Lasko.

  • @SethsAdventures1977
    @SethsAdventures1977 4 месяца назад

    Fantastic Job! Looks nice and clean. I left the intake on mine inside the garage so it doesn’t suck any exhaust fumes in. Heats my 2 car garage no problem.

    • @domineech
      @domineech 4 месяца назад

      How cold does it get where you are? I'm thinking about getting one for my 2 car garage but I don't know how safe it is to let it just run all the time.

  • @davidwinters2084
    @davidwinters2084 4 месяца назад

    Pretty cool never heard of it. Pretty neat. thanks for sharing.

  • @Paprepper411
    @Paprepper411 4 месяца назад +1

    I bought one a few months back and they are amazing heaters.

    • @keithphillips1234
      @keithphillips1234 4 месяца назад

      What brand, the one he’s using?

    • @Paprepper411
      @Paprepper411 4 месяца назад

      @@keithphillips1234 The same one in this video. I'm using mine in a 6x10 utility trailer that I'm converting into a camper/off grid tiny house.

  • @sibat777
    @sibat777 4 месяца назад +3

    A lot of waste heat goes out the exhaust pipe, There’s I guy here in Uk who has been experimenting with capturing as much of that heat as possible using long runs of exhaust pipe, then water jacket, then radiator, then sand (heat battery) to maximise efficiency. I did wonder if you could use waste heat through TEC (Thermal Electric conductor) to generate the 12v to run the electronics (you would need a small battery for startup which could be recharged through the TEC. This could remove need for external power supply. Just some thoughts for further experimentation. Also you didn’t mention this can run on waste oil (mixed with kerosene), just watch out for sooting in combustion chamber. Thanks for the post.

  • @CrazyMan0824
    @CrazyMan0824 4 месяца назад

    We been using this tech in big rigs for many years. Saves tons of fuel over idling.

  • @serg2057
    @serg2057 4 месяца назад +1

    Just a tip you should try to keep the intake below the exhaust to avoid any recirculation.

  • @gosbusta
    @gosbusta 4 месяца назад +17

    Looks great. My only concern would be having the intake so close to the exhaust personally.

    • @iguanamoat
      @iguanamoat 4 месяца назад +6

      It's a dedicated combustion air intake, so air from there is on a more or less closed loop with the exhaust and will not enter the living area. It needs to be nearish to the exhaust so wind doesn't affect one but not the other, which could cause the heater to flame out due to air going the wrong way.

    • @martyadams3915
      @martyadams3915 4 месяца назад +7

      37 years of heating and ac elect and plumbing experience here and yes the install is clean but on forced combustion devices you should always put your intake below or prior to your exhaust. Exhaust fumes being warmer than ambient air tend to rise and on a draft leading from your Exhaust point to your intake point you can recirculate those carbon filled oxygen deficient games and carbon up the interior of your heat exchanger. Will it positively happen? No. Could it happen? Yes without a doubt. I have seen it several times. Nowdays code is written to correct this and prevent the problem.

    • @A_Person_You_Dont_Know
      @A_Person_You_Dont_Know 4 месяца назад +1

      ​@@iguanamoatthis is wrong. There are indeed 2 air circuits but one intake. So intaking any exhaust will end up in the heated air and ultimately in your building. There is a whole series of videos on these heaters and they establish this fact.

    • @iguanamoat
      @iguanamoat 4 месяца назад +5

      @@A_Person_You_Dont_Know You are probably thinking of some other heater. You can see the two intakes in this video, one plumbed outside with the exhaust, and one on the heater box opposite of the hot air outlet.

    • @A_Person_You_Dont_Know
      @A_Person_You_Dont_Know 4 месяца назад

      @@iguanamoat Do you own one? I do and if you get exhaust in that intake you can smell it. I like this channel but he gets a lot wrong on this video.

  • @walterbowen2430
    @walterbowen2430 4 месяца назад

    Been considering doing exactly what you've shown... thanks

  • @sacrificialrubber779
    @sacrificialrubber779 4 месяца назад

    Gonna definitely get one for my garage

  • @tekkietekkie
    @tekkietekkie 4 месяца назад +1

    It’s crazy that something like this is only 100 bucks , I will be installing one in my shed

  • @melchristian8876
    @melchristian8876 4 месяца назад +1

    Happy Sunday 🙏🙏

  • @cajuninct
    @cajuninct 4 месяца назад

    Great presentation. Have you looked at Toyotomi or Rinnai heater exhaust pipes which has a pipe within pipe system with exhaust pipe running inside the intake pipe? Uses a maybe 3" hole and no need for insulation as the intake air cools the exhaust pipe. Also, the exhaust pipe extends well past the intake pipe, so they don't mix, and it's installed with 2 degree downward slope to drain any condensation. Think I might buy the same heater and try that in my shed, where I already have a 12-volt deep cycle battery on a solar trickle charger.

  • @BradKarthauser
    @BradKarthauser 4 месяца назад +6

    Design sounds like my 99 year old gravity furnace I was forced to retire late last year due to CO issues. We loved the old "octopus" furnace as its design gave us very even, silent heat - except for some expansion noises. Thanks for your intersting and informative videos.

    • @alittlebitintellectual7361
      @alittlebitintellectual7361 4 месяца назад

      Well since its a german Eberspächer Design and the Patent ran out like 3 years ago, 20 years about cuts it

  • @lilmatt1914
    @lilmatt1914 4 месяца назад +5

    1:20 lmao whats good with the giant wago?

  • @WrongTimeWatch
    @WrongTimeWatch 4 месяца назад +3

    I have 3 1,500 watt electric heaters in my 16x21 garage, they don't really work that well. I should have gone with one of these diesel heaters. Maybe I will get one anyway.

  • @JohnyComeLately
    @JohnyComeLately 4 месяца назад

    Same type of bunk heater is now becoming common in semi trucks. They're great

  • @titojones6204
    @titojones6204 4 месяца назад

    Hi Silver
    Awesome Video as always
    Thanks for sharing with us.
    How do you compare the Pellet stove to the diesel heater for warmth /heat to heat open rooms or garages, homes etc???
    Would you swap both your heaters to the opposite rooms??
    Which seems to work better for faster heat and which one is more economical between the 2 heaters??
    So in other words if you had to choose between 1 heater would it be the pellet stove or the diesel heater??
    Many thanks again Silver for all you do.
    We really appreciate you and your professionalism.
    Thank you again
    God Bless

  • @Subgunman
    @Subgunman 4 месяца назад

    I have several of the original German Ebberspacher heaters, work good got them very cheap at an auction many years ago. Six in all two I have restored and the rest for spare parts along with installation odds and ends. New in the mid to late 80’s these were over $1K as a complete kit. The factory pumps in the 90’s cost upwards of $140, but they are high quality metering pumps, not Chinese knock offs.

  • @NeilPBrooks
    @NeilPBrooks 4 месяца назад +2

    Never heard of this… cool!

  • @hankster4061
    @hankster4061 4 месяца назад

    Clean setup I like what you did my only worry is your air intake taking in exhaust fumes

  • @Un-Reconstructed
    @Un-Reconstructed 4 месяца назад +1

    Definitely great for campers/RVs. But as you show, why stop there! Right on rt on!

  • @kevinmansfield9413
    @kevinmansfield9413 4 месяца назад

    Hey @SilverCymbal! Long time watcher, first time commenter. Love all of your vids, please keep them coming! I was admiring that extra-large wago connector and was wondering if there is some way to get one?

  • @favioescalon528
    @favioescalon528 4 месяца назад

    Semi trucks use a smaller version of this called "Espar" heaters. Espar is the company that makes them for semis. They get VERY hot and I think I rarely see them fail. I had no idea they made big ones like this, I might actually get one for my garage.

  • @NordicDan
    @NordicDan 4 месяца назад +1

    This certainly looks like it'd be a great way to efficiently heat a 24' x 24' shop. The only concern I would have would be availability of fuel in a SHTF situation or just any non-emergency shortage. I have a pellet stove right now and the diesel heater would definitely be more cost effective (plus easy to install as I already have a thimble and an outside air intake), but there's really no foolproof way to predict which fuel source might be the first to have a major shortage. Where I'm at, the Lignetics wood pellet plant is not far off so with an afternoon drive and I can net several 40lb bags of pellets, though on the other hand, my pellet stove needs AC to run and in a pinch I could run the diesel heater off a fully charged car battery for a good while.
    Sure is tempting to ponder given how much more cost effective this seems to be.
    Also very good idea having the CO detector. In the event of exhaust fumes possibly leaking into the heat exchanger, you definitely want to be alerted before it affects you.

    • @Pippy1
      @Pippy1 4 месяца назад

      Bio diesel as well as ethanol can be made without too much trouble

  • @minibikemadman
    @minibikemadman 4 месяца назад +1

    My 8k just showed up...ate to much propane with the other heater. i cant wait to run this thing.

  • @youtube.administrator
    @youtube.administrator 4 месяца назад

    You may want to move that intake away from the exhaust. Very clean install.

  • @PainterD54
    @PainterD54 4 месяца назад

    I see so many run the exhaust to the outside of the building straight off the unit (yes you want it to go outside for sure) but I think running a longer length of it inside the building first would capture more of the radient heat off of it and also be cooler *** going thru the wall to the outside which would also cause less concern about the high temp insulation.

  • @xnizonyt
    @xnizonyt 4 месяца назад

    Have a look at the Afterburner controller. Gives you wifi and very granular control over the unit. Also supports MQTT for homeassistant.

    • @gsftom
      @gsftom 4 месяца назад

      I used to be like u and wanted all kinds of connectivity and tech. Now, I look for no tech and no connectivity 🙂. Regretting the day when I got rid of my dad’s old brace and bit and similar items. Maybe I have been reading too much abt what happens if there is an emp…

    • @xnizonyt
      @xnizonyt 4 месяца назад

      @@gsftom I'll stick with having the cabin warmed up by the time we get there.

  • @AD00Q
    @AD00Q 3 месяца назад

    Considering hot air rises, you might want to put the intake hose lower than the exhause hose. Your current set up makes it possible for the rising exhaust to be sucked in the intake hose.

  • @Shawn_the_Protogen
    @Shawn_the_Protogen 4 месяца назад

    The model's I've seen are the slimmer versions, people sometimes use cheap vespa mufflers to make the sound very quiet.

  • @freman
    @freman 4 месяца назад

    hah, I love that the tank in that has the spot for the 'pump' moulded into it but that is just mounted under it.
    I want one of these cos they're cool, but I live in Queensland, Australia... there's like 3 days a year it gets cold enough to turn one on lol.

    • @SilverCymbal
      @SilverCymbal  4 месяца назад

      I saw that too. Very odd, maybe some versions dont, but thats a great question

  • @AKA0987
    @AKA0987 4 месяца назад

    Great video! I'm curious if you can find the answer to how the fuel pump became quiet after 10 minutes. From what I understand the fuel pump always needs to be ticking to supply fuel.

  • @no-damn-alias
    @no-damn-alias 2 месяца назад

    For power set up. .If you have a wall outlet close by.
    Get an old car battery and a cheap automatic charger. Turn on the diesel heater and after a few minutes start the battery charger.
    Here a 6A version costs 20€/22USD.
    Use the exhaust heat,any different ways but it'll double the efficiency. All that hrat going outside the exhaust could be used inside.
    Only thing is now you'll have condensation in the exhaust to route everything downwards so no water can collect anywhere and it will drip out of the exhaust. Best way is to let it drip into a drain as it is slightly acidic.
    You can also collect the water and use it for plants that like slightly acidic water like blueberries.
    Same goes for A/C condensate btw and there's no lead in the solder for many years now

  • @scottwilkins
    @scottwilkins 4 месяца назад +2

    Thank you for making mistakes so we don't have to. OK, that sounded weird, but I think you get my intended message.

  • @yorkworks71
    @yorkworks71 4 месяца назад +1

    I work for an airport and get unusable jet fule sumps. And that's what I put in mine works vary well had mine for 2 years now

  • @10thAveFreezeOut
    @10thAveFreezeOut 4 месяца назад

    That insulation almost gave Silver Cymbal the Rusty Trombone. You could use Roxul also, slag wool.

  • @bobberndt9744
    @bobberndt9744 4 месяца назад +1

    After watching your series for a year-ish, I have yet to purchase or perform any of your recommendations. BUT, maybe, some day. I love your approach and thorough explanation of what/why something is important to consider. Thank you !

  • @Longcucumber
    @Longcucumber 4 месяца назад

    Get an "LED driver" to power these. They constant 12v output running from a wall outlet. I got a 200w one for $40 to power mine since they pull a little over 150 watts on startup.

  • @ihavethetools
    @ihavethetools 4 месяца назад

    A quick question. What harm could there be if I were to put the heat sleave on the exhaust, wrap it all around with the ceramic blanket wrap and then just put it through the thimble with the cap and the hull fitting installed as you did? The ceramic blanket wrap should keep it fairly cooler inside the thimble. My garage wall is not insulated but has 5/8 drywall inside and osb and vinyl siding. Just curious. Thanks on the great video!

  • @iviaverick52
    @iviaverick52 4 месяца назад

    I had one of these in my garage at my last house. worked great, but it definitely smelled weird when it got up to temp.

  • @mikesveganlife4359
    @mikesveganlife4359 4 месяца назад +1

    Seems like a good heater. I assume it is a pretty dry heat and not adding moisture like propane or natural gas heaters will.

  • @frozenwalkway
    @frozenwalkway 4 месяца назад +1

    theres a couple 120 vt built in versions i wanna give a try

  • @Pallidus_Rider
    @Pallidus_Rider 4 месяца назад +1

    With exhaust pipe at 400 degrees, it would seem smart to extend the exhaust into a radiator, before it exits the building

  • @CerebralAilment
    @CerebralAilment 4 месяца назад

    Looks good. I would have flipped the intake to face downward tho.

  • @emmettturner9452
    @emmettturner9452 4 месяца назад

    I had to dump that much cash on my 240v garage heater a couple years ago. It’s LOUD AF and setting a temperature just means it’s going to be beeping all the time as it cycles on and off. Since the fan runs for two minutes every time it turns off it actually makes you feel cold even at the target temp, and it almost always cools so fast that it comes back on within two minutes anyway… so the noise never lets up.
    I was forced to spend a winter living in an uninsulated and drafty workshop with that thing after an EF4 tornado destroyed my home. After all that beeping while I’m trying to sleep I have a deep-seated hatred for it even though I definitely need it.

  • @guardianstryder6321
    @guardianstryder6321 4 месяца назад +1

    Running this on red diesel in the uk makes it basically free to run 😏

  • @charliefoxtrot7219
    @charliefoxtrot7219 4 месяца назад

    Hello, I always thing you do first rate stuff and your place looks great. Why not mount the heater outside and run an insulated duct through the wall? This way the exhaust and fuel are outside of the structure. Remove Carbon Monoxide and fire issues inside the building. It easy enough to build a structure over the heater for rain or snow.

    • @stevenbeach748
      @stevenbeach748 4 месяца назад

      That really wouldn’t eliminate CO problem’s because you still have the heat exchanger. Mounting it inside allows it to be out of the weather and you can just walk up to it to turn it on and adjust it.

  • @dakotaneubert
    @dakotaneubert 4 месяца назад

    Man adapting as larger tank to that and you'll be golden

  • @jatpack3
    @jatpack3 4 месяца назад

    Im considering it now.

  • @IntegerOfDoom
    @IntegerOfDoom 4 месяца назад

    It''s so heartwarming to see if get away from electric insanity and back to good old burning.

  • @ohiosigmarizzler344
    @ohiosigmarizzler344 4 месяца назад +3

    on some engines its required to have a muffler on it to keep the compression correct or else it won't start

    • @MrSGL21
      @MrSGL21 4 месяца назад +4

      there is no compression. there is a burn chamber with a glow plug. the unit squirts fuel onto a screen that surrounds the glow plug. this atomizes the fuel while air is also pumped into the chamber. the glow plug heats the screen, the fuel ignites and burns once the unit is warmed up the glow plug gets shut off. air and fuel get continually added. the whole unit heats up and air is blow around the fins on the outside of the unit to cool it and whammo...hot air.

    • @ohiosigmarizzler344
      @ohiosigmarizzler344 4 месяца назад +1

      I think I got my 2 stroke and diesel engines mixed up@@MrSGL21

  • @dsmith2858
    @dsmith2858 4 месяца назад +5

    What was your decision making process on the height that you mounted it? Not saying I’d do it differently just curious as I KNOW you thought it through.

    • @stevenbeach748
      @stevenbeach748 4 месяца назад

      Probably so he could just walk up to it to turn it on

    • @dsmith2858
      @dsmith2858 4 месяца назад +1

      @@stevenbeach748 I was thinking about things like: heat rises, ease of re-fueling, etc…..

    • @stevenbeach748
      @stevenbeach748 4 месяца назад

      @@dsmith2858 yes, I would put it a little lower for those reasons too.

  • @minghiy
    @minghiy 4 месяца назад

    Looks amazing and I'm ready to get started. Can you provide links for the other parts like the gas heating gimbal? I only see the link for the exhaust flange and am looking to buy the other parts connected to it.

    • @SilverCymbal
      @SilverCymbal  4 месяца назад +2

      Thank you, I added them now to the description also. Thanks for letting me know: Vent Selkirk Thimble: amzn.to/3TPqCpW Selkirk 6" Pipe: amzn.to/47qfQd1 Selkirk 12" Pipe: amzn.to/3tC6A7U 4" Cap: amzn.to/3S99lqF

    • @minghiy
      @minghiy 4 месяца назад

      ​@@SilverCymbal you're awesome 😎

  • @tommid3064
    @tommid3064 4 месяца назад

    Lovely installation personly I wouldn't have put the air intake facing up incase it sucks in water but apart from that nice job 👍

  • @johnnysweekends
    @johnnysweekends 4 месяца назад +1

    Great video, the intake could have stayed inside for a little more efficiency as it would pull the inside room air. 👍🏼

  • @Jasonoid
    @Jasonoid 4 месяца назад

    What was the max wattage you'd usually see from this model while igniting the glow plug? Any issues with the power stations being overloaded?

  • @WmSrite-pi8ck
    @WmSrite-pi8ck 4 месяца назад +3

    It's a spark arrestor.

  • @derekog2090
    @derekog2090 4 месяца назад

    I have one of these in my van, not the exact model, mine has a diesel tank that's not connected to it, so I had to run lines, but it is more convienant to fill up where I put it instead of having to bring diesel in the middle of my van if I had this model... so it's all about circumstances

  • @Cybertruck1000
    @Cybertruck1000 4 месяца назад

    A tidy job. Maybe a bit overkill/expensive the exhaust through wall kit. Overkill better than potential kill is the way you went. I'm going to now check the the brown exhaust material cover on mine as I've used it as a wrap whereas yours is tubular. Nice job.👍

  • @antonio_fosnjar
    @antonio_fosnjar 4 месяца назад +2

    I've seen a few people on ytb install these but have never seen them in real life, I'm from Europe btw. All of us here just use small electric heaters, so I'm curious about what's the difference, is it maybe more economical in the US because of much lower diesel prices? Electric heaters seem much more efficient, easier to use and durable.

    • @microwave221
      @microwave221 4 месяца назад +2

      A part of it could be that the line voltage is only 120V, so electric heaters aren't able to get the juice to heat large spaces as easily, though they certainly exist. These things are meant to be used remotely or where AC voltage isn't even available, and heat larger areas quickly

    • @kimmer6
      @kimmer6 4 месяца назад +1

      I live in Northern California. We pay $0.45 per kilowatt hour for the first 292kwh used, then Tier 2 kicks in at $0.56 per kwh. Electric heat is very expensive. Natural gas costs us $2.48 per Therm. That is cheaper heat than electric heat but still costly. I pay $4.68 per US gallon for red off road untaxed diesel fuel. Houses here are about 279 sq meters, 3000 sq feet. The online Nextdoor App has a lot of people complaining that their December 2023 gas and electric bills were very high. Some people mentioned $560 for the month, some said $1300+ because they needed more heat for elderly needs.
      I burned 37 gallons of red non taxed diesel in December at $4.69 per gallon, $173.53 in the diesel heater, and the combined natural gas (cooking and hot water) and electric use was $158.77. My December cost was $332.30. Our utility has an online app where I can see electric usage down to the hour and natural gas use per day, monthly and yearly charts as well.
      I am a retired engineer and entertain myself by tracking costs and making efficiency adjustments. I tested propane and kerosenec devices as well. My diesel heater runs off a 100AH LFP lithium battery that gets charged with solar panels. We still have heat when the grid goes down. This happened 8 times in 2023 ranging from 1 hour to 8+ hours and is becoming more frequent. I have an airtight wood burning fireplace but local laws prohibit wood burning on many days. There are no fumes from the diesel heater. It exhausts outside.

    • @antonio_fosnjar
      @antonio_fosnjar 4 месяца назад +2

      @kimmer6 Wow, makes sense. Here where I'm from electricity costs around 3-7 cents/kWh and we rarely have blackouts, plus I have solar and gas prices are dubble than in US. So we're in a completely different situations.

  • @rob1andrews
    @rob1andrews 4 месяца назад

    It would be interesting to see a combined heat and power version that generates electricity and heat.